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Monday, November 02, 2009
Bay Buchanan :: Townhall.com Columnist
Is the Republican Label Irrelevant?
by Bay Buchanan
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According to a recent Gallup study, 40% of Americans view themselves as conservative, 36% call themselves moderate, and only 20% fall into the liberal category. While this may be great news for conservatives, the Grand Old Party did not fare so well.

Last Spring a Pew poll found that only 23% of voters consider themselves Republicans. This month an ABC/Washington Post survey suggests the number has fallen even further—to 20%. Meanwhile the largest block of voters, 36%, classify as Independents, with 35% calling themselves Democrats.

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One more number: 72% of Republicans identify themselves as conservative.

Bottom line—the Republicans Party is deeply conservative while America is predominantly conservative. It is the party label that has trouble, not the philosophy which was once its driving force.

The key to expansion then is to realign itself with that which is conservative and regain the trust of the 35% of Independents and 21% of Democrat who also call themselves conservative. You do this with candidates who appeal to these voters—conservative populists who speak with boldness and clarity about their vision for America. Then you paint democratic candidates with the Obama brush-- fiscally irresponsible, socially radical, out of touch liberals fully engaged in bankrupting the nation.

So what are Republican Party leaders doing? With 20% of the electorate in their pocket they’re running to the middle, adding even more credibility to Sam Francis’ description of them as the “Stupid Party”.

According to story in Politico this past week, “many top Republicans are growing worried that the party’s chances for reversing its electoral routs of 2006 and 2008 are being wounded by the flamboyant rhetoric and angry tone of conservative activists and media personalities.” But it was on their “big tent, big spending, big amnesty” watch that the referenced defeats took place!

This same article reports that John McCain and his little side-kick Lindsey Graham are working to move the party in a “more centrist direction”. But a year ago McCain, as the party’s nominee, couldn’t energize a Republican convention without first inviting the fire-breathing right-wing Alaskan Governor, Sarah Palin, to join him on stage.

In January the Republican Party was in shambles—it had been disgraced, dismissed and discarded by Americans. While party officials and operatives were licking their wounds after eight hard years of destroying the party label, Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck went on the offense, cracked the national media’s protective shield of the President and exposed Obama as a committed Leftist with a radical agenda designed to bankrupt the nation. Their clarion call energized and excited the movement, and led to citizen revolts at town hall meetings and tea party rallies that have, at least temporarily, derailed Obama’s efforts to nationalize health care.

These talk show hosts, their conservative colleagues in the media, the Tea Party activists and the Town Hall protesters voluntarily headed to the front lines in the battle to take back our country. And the hierarchy of the twenty percent party is embarrassed by their “flamboyant rhetoric and angry tone”? So accustomed to the mushy, empty, carefully scripted, feel-good messages of party moderates it is little wonder the bold, clear, honest, deeply felt statements of the conservatives sent Republican operatives into feverish chills.

But the Republican establishment continues to recruit and support milk toast RINOs as candidates. In upstate New York’s special election, they found a real prize—the pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, tax and spend Republican, Dede Scozzafava, to carry the Republican label. She is running against the Conservative Party’s candidate Doug Hoffman, a solid conservative on most every issue. She “has the best chance of winning” is their argument. Therein lies the fundamental principle of today’s Republican Party.

Republican leaders are blind—utterly unable to see the dramatic change that has occurred in the electorate during the last few years. Americans have given up on their brand of Republicanism. It didn’t stand for anything yesterday, and the people don’t believe it will stand for anything tomorrow.

Which begs the question: with only 20% of Americans identifying as such, is the Republican label irrelevant? Would it be better to be on the ballot as the Conservative Party candidate, or the Independent Party candidate, if such were possible, rather than the Republican Party candidate? Two times as many voters identify as Conservatives than Republicans. Likewise two times as many voters identify as Independent than Republican. While all other factors may not be equal (party organization and money sources, for instance) is it not possible with internet fundraising and Tea Party regulars ready to volunteer that the GOP ballot position is no longer the asset it once was.

If Upstate New York is any indication this is indeed the case.

While Newt Gingrich endorsed the liberal Scozzafava simply because “she is the Republican nominee”, the voters aren’t buying it. They want more. The darling of the party elite has managed to capture only 20% --those happy to buy just a label--and the race is now a dead heat between the Democrat and the Conservative.

Will Republicans leaders figure it all out before 2010? Will they embrace as candidates bold populist conservatives who “speak without fear” in the words of Glenn Beck? Or will they shun these patriots and let them run as Conservatives? The revolution spreading across America will provide men and women strong enough to take this country back—only question is: what role will the Republican Party play?

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How long will it take...
for the very important points you make to sink in to all conservatives?Republican/Independent candidates? Hopefully the recent elections in NJ and Va., as well as the arkward Republican handling of the 23rd in NY will do something to alert them...huh? Afterall, they keep saying they are in tune to America...let the music roll!

no Progressives &/or non-capitalists
in the chat room, or are you just not willing to step up to the plate?

Standshisground - MO

Is the impostor from MO too?
Any way to tell at a glance?

This new TH software is a pile of junk!
We had 7, SEVEN "Roberts" here once not counting Wobbie!

MyOpine
You asked, "Have we been infested again with FAKE Republicans?"

It looks that way - and what's more, tonight, this site is not only being infested by a fake Saint-Denis but now also a fake Standshisground.

Although I'm sure you'd probably be able to discern it yourself without being told because I'm sure you recognize my style by now (AND my imposter's, who I'll name below), someone - all but certainly the same one who's been impersonating Saint-Denis the last few days - tonight has started impersonating ME: you'll see posts on Doug Giles' latest thread at 9:00pm and 10:55 with my post name on them but I promise you they're from an imposter.

To judge by the wording of these fake posts in St. Denis' and my post names, a lot of us are all but certain that the culprit is Sophie.

Chris, the site moderator, has been alerted about my imposter (Anne in PA graciously took care of that for me) - but so far, it looks like it's still a work in progress.

I'm sure Mod Mark would probably think what Sophie's doing is a hoot: BOTH of them share a very infantile sense of humor.

So if in the next few days you see what looks like some very strange things that "I" appear to have said: well, now you know, as Paul Harvey used to say, "the rest of the story".

balanced
give money to a homeless guy??


Your G.I. Joes don't count as homeless guys. Your Obama doll that you kiss every night and his pullstring that says "spread the wealth" hasn't helped you out much, huh?

man,
the left is getting desperate. Been reading through the responses and you can see how the liberals see a real "change" in the air. Therefore, they find it in their nature to infect the not only the net, but the radio as well.

Let's get the liberal dems and RINOs out and get some conservatives in. We're in debt enough already and this spending has got to stop.

Peter's Dangerous Quest
Go, my son-- and may the Force be with you.

Anne
UNbalanced!!! Didn't you just say...

"I gotta run to give some money to a homeless guy?"

Were you LYING???

**************************************

"Homeless guy" is the new code word for "drug dealer."

I am sure that Unbalanced gives him most of his money.

Bad Albino Bob
:)

Peter
May your quest be rewarding and informative, and may the road rise before you and the wind be at your back. Since you are going to Mordor, you need all of the above.

Bad Albino Bob
I fear that you may be correct, but I would rather suffer through concrete knowledge, than be content with (perhaps) misplaced pity.

MyOpine
"Zapdoodat even used to try to pass himself off as a Republican." Now there's a cheerful thought! Zapdoodat is gone. And Mario. And Ranger Robbie. Sometimes less is more.

Peter
"yes I sincerely and humbly, want to know)" Trust me on this, Peter, because I've asked the same question and been answered. You really truly do not want to know. It's too disgusting and addled.

Have we been invaded by Astroturf?

Astroturf is a problem for gun owners;
http://www.ussportsmen.org/Page.aspx?pid=2097

Have we been infested again with FAKE Republicans?

Zapdoodat even used to try to pass himself off as a Republican.
And even Wobbie.
Both have vanished from sight!

Wonder what "Mr. Darcy" was known as when he was being a real Troll?

gail k
like all liberals, you are just not capable of understanding the concept government power being restricted by the constitution. therefore your brainless babbling about abortion. the fact is that abortion was in all portions of the united states illegal because the majority of people making the laws viewed abortion as murder. then 5 liberal judges decided to abuse their power and change the constitution by hallucinating "rights" that are nowhere to be found in the actual constitution. hence, the abortion issue, which should have been settled by the people, not by liberal usurpers. the dismantling of the constitution by liberal criminals in robes did not start or finish with roe vs wade, but that is the most egregious example of judicial malpractice. if we are to have a constitution, roe vs wade must be overturned, not because abortion is a great evil according to some, or a great boon according to you, but because the decision was not only wrong, it was intentionally and maliciously wrong.

Mr. Darcy?

HEY STUPID!
You PRETEND Republicans are the best friends of the Communists.

You PRETEND Republicans are constantly bowing down, licking Communist's shoes and appeasing their every whim!

You Pretend Republicans are the SOLE REASON Republicans were voted out of office because they BETRAYED their own Base!

AND;
Until they convince Conservatives they will actually strive for Conservative values, they will remain a minority Party.
We are damned tired of the crap Democrats do with the help of a few "Rogue" Republicans.

If you want to be a RINO go sleep with Democrats.
RINO votes always count with Democrats anyway.
YOU represent WEAKNESS to Republicans.

GOOOH
This whole discussion simply points to the need for a new way to choose reps. The GOOOH system has a way to choose, fund and hold reps accountable for term limits and voting as stated during the campaign. Most importantly, they will be beholden to their constituents, not special interests. I think that the time is right for something different. Look at the site at http://www.goooh.com

Dear Progressives and/or non-capitalist
other than the sad pathetic joy of being a gadfly, why are you here? Really, what do you hope to accomplish? (yes I sincerely and humbly, want to know)

Mr. Darcy, Progressive non-capitalist
Truth hurts, doesn't it? You feel the left is just a bit politically threatened when the political terminology reflects reality and not the smoke and mirrors of the left who espouse the philosophy of Marx and Engels but do not want the taint that philosophy has in this country.

There are many countries where socialism and Marxism are not ill considered but this country is not historically one of these. I lived in Western Europe during and after service in the U.S. Army, learned German fluently, and came to understand and comprehend the political parties and philosophies there.

At least the left in Europe is hones about what they believe and who developed and spread those concepts. Much of the left in this country just reacts emotionally and would not recognize their beliefs as those espoused by such as Karl Marx if Das Kapital hit them in the face to the music of the Internationale.

Those who do not understand this are part of the problem. I wonder why so many operate as leftest trolls on conservative websites.And liberal REpublicans need to be labled thusly. Or maybe they can register and be described as moderate Democrats.

Mr. Darcy
Here is the FULL context of Liz Cheney's statement

"I don't know why he went to Dover. I mean I think that clearly it is very important for our commander in chief whenever he can, in whatever way possible to pay tribute to our fallen soldiers, our fallen miltary folks.

But I think, you know what President Bush used to do is to do it without the cameras. And I don’t understand sort of showing up with the White House Press Pool with photographers and asking family members if you can take pictures."

She was talking about how Bush honored the soldiers and met with the families all the time without cameras. It was not specific to Dover. In fact, the morning he gave the Obama's a tour of the whitehouse-the press ragged on Bush about looking rumpled. Bush had spent the morning with Captain Rob Yllescas at his bedside with his family. Cpt Yllescas later died.

Lou Louise
"Elizabeth Cheney has the intelligence and intestinal fortitude to take on anyone."

I especially liked her comment last week that "Bush never took a camera when he visitied Dover AFB -- in other words, she admires him for never taking a camera to a place he never went.

Good going, Lou, I love to watch you TH intellectuals at work.

MyOpine
I totally agree that the RINOs need to vacate the Republican Party.

We need a strict and literal interpretation of the Constitution just as it was written without without any so-called modern interpretations.

Alexander Hamilton said it best: "Every power vested in a government is in its nature sovereign, and includes by force of the term a right to employ all the means requisite...to the attainment of the ends of such power."

What?!
You're gonna allow balanced to hijack ANOTHER thread?

John said
"Liberals believe in capitlism. Progressives are either progressive socialists or progressive radicals who revere men such as FidelCastro, Ho Chi Minh, Chairman Mao, Che Guevarra, Daniel Ortega, and Obama's good buddy, the president of Venezuela. "

I love it when you guys reveal your true mental capacity. God puts those words in your mouth because he's rooting for progressives.

My Opine
"You imitation Republicans are free to join whatever Leftist Party you please but you are NOT going to hijack the Republican Party."

Great! Keep it up!! This is so much fun to watch!!!

You couldn't be a better friend to Democrats if you were being paid for it!!!

Dancing Bear
Instead of complaining about the candidates, get out and work for the ones you want. They don't happen by magic. As for staying home to 'punish' wishy washy Republicans, by doing so you guarantee the election of hard-line leftists. Thanks a lot. You're made America a better, more Socialist place by your mugwumpery.

And I will stay home again if its RINO!
And will enjoy seeing pseudo conservatives slaughtered at the polls. Good riddance. Now in Florida, I will stay home rather than vote for Charlie "where the boys are" Crist for Senate. Want to lose? Nominate another emasculated "War Hero" like McCain again.

Sandman

You imitation Republicans are free to join whatever Leftist Party you please but you are NOT going to hijack the Republican Party.

You RINOs are the sole reason for the present mess.

If you want to lean hard to the Left then go stand with the other Leftist Fanatics but please stop calling yourself Republican!

One thing I do admire about Democrats.
They quickly rid themselves of Joe Lieberman.
We have been stuck with John McCain, Lindsay Graham, Ben Nelson, Susan Collins & Olympia Snowe for years.
Thankfully we finally got rid of Arlen Specter.

Hey Bay! Tell That Loser Brother
Of Yours to Stay Out It!

He had his chance and he blew it. More recently, the GOP establishment held the White House and both houses of Congress...and they blew it too.

Why? Because they forgot who put them there. George Will was right when he said that Newt Gingrich was a Republican first and a conservative second. To Newtie boy, it is better to be a Republican than a conservative, while the citizens of NY-23 (and a big chunk of this country) believe it is better to be a conservative than a Republican.

If the blue-blood Republicans want to keep what little piece of the pie is left to them, they better get their minds right and understand that without the conservative grassroots, their business arrangements will be brokered by Karl Marx and Vladimir Lenin.

As far as the conservatives are concerned, before they can take down the Marxists in our midst they are going to have to take down their RINO enablers in the GOP.

So, you deal-cutting fence-sitters and baby-splitting handwringers in the GOP better decide real quick whether you are with us or against us, to quote one of your own.


What Conservatives Should Say
Conservatives need to change much of what they (we) say. Instead of saying moderate Republican, we must say liberal Republican. People like John McCain, Joe Lieberman, Mel Martinez, Olympia Snowe, and Lindsey Graham are liberals.

Liberals believe in capitlism. Progressives are either progressive socialists or progressive radicals who revere men such as FidelCastro, Ho Chi Minh, Chairman Mao, Che Guevarra, Daniel Ortega, and Obama's good buddy, the president of Venezuela.

The best place to start is to never say moderate Republican. That term must be reserved for the liberals who are not socialists. They are a rare lot these days as liberals seem to be firmly embedded in the Republican Party. Thus the betrayal that conservatives have endured by the Republican Party.

In our fight against the now far too numerous proponents of the ideas and tenets of socialism and Marxism in far too many of our political, cultural, and religious institutions, we must use language that defines the problems we face and show a path to their solutions.

Go online to Bay Buchanan's and Tom Tancredo's Team America. And watch both Glenn Beck and Lou Dobbs.

BA Bob: What "again?" UNbalanced is

always deluded.

:-)


unbalanced is deluded again
"I gotta run to give some money to a homeless guy?" No, you don't. You never have to run to give money to the homeless. Homeless people tend to be slow and shamble in a directionless and random manner. A slow walk is always adequate to catch up with a homeless man to give him money. You are chasing a jogger. You can tell by the shorts.

Conservatives
Conservatives will continue to be shut out of the Republican Party until more people share conservative values, and until Conservatives can raise more money than Establishment Republicans. The solution is simple: if more voters share conservative values, elections will take care of themselves. The question nobody can answer is how to move the voter to those values. Nobody has the answer to that question. Democrats will continue to win as long as they represent the values shared by the majority of voters. What we need here are ideas for moving the electorate to conservative values.

Independent_voter
You cannot have your own way in the bedroom and still remain true to Judeo-Christian laws which our founding fathers believed are God-given.

The seventh commandment says "You shall not commit adultery."

Unbalanced

YOU ARE THE ONE MAKING ABSURD ACCUSATIONS!
I simply asked you to furnish proof.

Rather than proof, you make more absurd remarks.

Happy to see you have not tucked your tail between your legs and run YET.

I have seen you post links when you have them.
When are you going to post some links to backup your absurd claims?
Or is Anne right about you being high on dope?

As to Liberals protecting "Endangered Species"?
The MURDERERS pretending to be protecting endangered species have killed millions, mostly children under 5 & pregnant women with just one of their FARCES!
They are a bunch of BRAINLESS KNOW NOTHING IDIOTS who are easily led by Communist FAKERS!
I have seen them in action here locally and they ALL belong in an insane asylum.

Balanced
>Valerie Plame thingy.

I bet you went off the hinges with Valerie Plame. Are you feeling the same way now that the "John Adams Project" is taking pictures of our CIA agents and showing them to Gitmo detainees, so they can identify who "tortured" them? Let me guess? You support that "outing."

Balanced
>CHENEY'S MEMORY FAIL
Cheney used the phrase, "I don't recall" 72 times in his testimony to the FBI regarding the Valerie Plame thingy.


You mean he didn't recall insignificant conversations that happened years ago? Wow, he must be Darth Vader. Why are we still beating this dead horse anyways? It was Armitage who outed Plame, and he didn't even support the Iraq war. It clearly wasn't political reasons. He was the weasel that kept quiet along with the special prosecutor.

LouLouise: Yeah, when UNbalanced is

stoned, which he usually IS, he doesn't know whether he's coming or going, and he certainly doesn't know anything about what he posts!

:-)


UNbalanced!!! Didn't you just say...

"I gotta run to give some money to a homeless guy?"

Were you LYING???


He's Dreaming--
Balanced doesn't have any money to give to anyone.

Balanced is doing his job
Poor Balanced accepted a job in the Obama administration as the :

Bush blame Czar.

It is his job to blame Bush and Republicans for everything.

He was handed the job after an oral interview with Kevin Jennings.

balanced In AZ:
But Svpallava is right, you ARE an idiot. You're an idiot to assume that anyone would take your advice.

Balanced is in hog heaven right now with all the attention he's getting.

OPINE
I don't think they check your voter registration when selling you guns & ammo, but if you feel liberals are buying more ammo than conservatives are, you have every right to feel that way.

Given that liberals tend to be the ones protecting endangered species, and are far less likely to hunt even animals, I highly doubt it.

But, again, it's your right.

Ciao!

Geeze, was it something I said...???

Hope so, because I'll say it every time UNbalaced logs on to TH.


HA HA HA HA



DON'T MEAN TO UPSET Y'ALL
but I gotta run to give some money to a homeless guy.

Unbalanced

I am sure you mean well with your advice howsomever to date you have yet to prove you know anything about the Republican Party and you tend to make absurd idiotic statements.

Which reminds me;
I am still waiting for you to prove the Party affiliation of those who made runs on Gun Shops.
OR;
You still have the option to retract your absurd statement that Republicans solely, purchased all those guns & munitions.
(That was a stupid remark to make.)(However typical.)

norm1066: UNbalaced is stoned most of

the time...

And you know what that does to a brain...




balanced In AZ:
Thanks but no thanks for your "advice" to Republicans. We like the Cheneys and Elizabeth Cheney has the intelligence and intestinal fortitude to take on anyone.

Valerie Plame?? Who cares?

CHENEY'S MEMORY FAIL
Cheney used the phrase, "I don't recall" 72 times in his testimony to the FBI regarding the Valerie Plame thingy.

That might beat Alberto Gonzalez record.

The Cheney family would best serve the Republican party by going away for a while.

ALBINO
Syntax. Any weapon, to me, is an assault weapon.

If you were to google, "guns at townhalls," you'll see where they primarily showed up, and it wasn't liberals doing it. That's it.

Revisionism is your strong-suit, for sure. I imagine you still believe Ronald Reagan saved the country, rather than destroying it.

I would also imagine you still believe Rumsfeld knew exactly where the WMD's were.

Bay Buchanan
I was going to say that I have not read any of your articles but I read your bio and now I see why. I am not familiar with you but your first impression is great.

OPINE
Rep. Phil Gingrey (R-GA), encouraged them on Chris Matthews.

And, there has been a slew of comments made by the likes of Beck, Limbaugh, etc. that encouraged violence. While they might not have used the exact words, "Bring your guns to presidential events," we got the meaning.

Fine. Call me an idiot
balanced...Thou loathed issue of thy father's loins!


Get a Clue Republicans
There seems to be a small faction of people within the Republican party that is trying to change the party into a (only slightly) less liberal organization than the Democrats . The liberals have decided that in order to stay in power, they will infiltrate the Republican party, change their platform by convincing them they are out of date and on the decline, then if the Democrats lose at the polls, liberals can still get all their programs in via the GOP.

What is absolutely unfathomable is why the Republican leadership who really want traditional Republican policies to prevail are falling for this. And while we’re on the subject, it’s not just the GOP that is being stupid. Newspapers are folding all over the country because they have continuously torn down conservative values and played up socialism and television is becoming less popular as Americans are sick of the violence and sex that pervades the airwaves. It seems the whole country has become stupid.

It doesn’t even seem to matter that political parties lose, newspapers go bankrupt and people are turning off their televisions to read. Even when big money is at stake, these morons just keep doing the same stupid things. It use to be that if the bottom line began to tank, people got the message. But today, even losing everything is okay with these leftist loonies. It just goes to show that those intent on the Communization of America are deeply entrenched and horrifically influential.

balanced
"One guy hardly compares to the assault weapons coming from the righties." Nice attempt to change the subject. You said people who took assault rifles to Town Hall meetings. The ONLY person to do so was an Obama supporter, and you justify his actions because he's afraid of all the Town Hall people who aren't taking assault weapons to the meeting. We're not making fun of you-- you're doing a great job on your own.

Bald Albino Bob # 127
He does that quite well without any help.

SVPALLA
Fine. Call me an idiot. It's what you righties do when you have nothing else.

My point is this: if the Republican party leans any further right, they won't stand a chance. Being associated with a freak show won't do the party any good.

Unbalanced

DO YOU HAVE PROOF to backup your wild assertions?

SHOW US PROOF that Conservatives caused the run on arms & munitions!

OR RETRACT YOUR LIE!

Unfortunately, GOP followed path
of the northern neighbour's PC's of 1970's-1993 of becoming "groat lite" (a Reform Party slogan--extremely accurate--of 1993 stated "Grit, Tory same old suppository") rather than going true to conservative principles.

PC's learned sometime between 2000 and 2006 and cut deadwood with real Manning-style conservatives in the party merging with Alliance (former Reform) as current Conservative Party and its liberal-lite members dropped out entirely--and Conservatives WON elections in 2006 and 2008!

Army Wife

Stay out of their bedroom?
If they would just keep it in their bedroom no one would even know.

Putting it on parade floats on Main Streed USA and making it part of Kindergarten curriculum is their own idea.
Conservatives would rather they not celebrate their "Sexual Diversity" in public or force it upon infants.

BAB wrote about (un)balanced
"Your own MSM media has made a fool out of you".

Not quite true; unbalanced started out a fool--though it CAN be said that LSM derated him from moron to idiot.

Reply # 1
I went to the tea parties and I agree with you. I am not interested in your bedroom if you don't feel the need to bring your bedroom into the conversation.

ALBINO
One guy hardly compares to the assault weapons coming from the righties. And, if it was an Obama supporter, he was likely "responding" to what the righties were doing.

Nice try, my friend. But, it's crystal clear that the righties and their media counterparts hyped up the extreme right, used language that inflamed passion, and resulted in very high ammunition sales. You think a bunch of liberals are buying ammo? Please!!

Well said
Army Wife!

Peter
>and as for the social issues, lets keep it just that social, not litigious

LOL-- Yep so we should just let our value run by the wayside while the other side uses the legal system to run over them.. Sure..we have been the agressors in the social issues.

Independent voter
>But that Republican party is long gone since they have been taken over by the Christian Right.

LOL-- Clinton did more to stem the tide of homosexuals than Bush ever did(DOMA, DADT). What did Bush actually give the Christian rights. Abortions were made illegal. Heck, they weren't even given back to the states. Gay marriage or "rights" have progressed. Where is this boogeyman called the Christian right?

Independent voter
>I want the government to balance its budget and stay out of my bedroom.

You people fear social conservatives in your "bedroom" like a boogey man all the while liberal democrats weave their way into all other areas of your lives: your health decision, financial decision etc. Yeah fear the social conservatives knocking on your bedroom door all the while liberals are robbing your house.

balanced gets served
"To side with a gang that brings assault weapons to town halls is probably not the best political strategy . . . " for the Democrats, since it was a Democrat who did it. That incident happened once, in Arizona. It was a Black Democrat with an Obama sticker who carried that assault weapon, balanced. The news media cropped out the hand and arm and never mentioned the race of the person carrying it.

Your own MSM media has made a fool out of you

Palin - Limbaugh ticket

Limbaugh for Vice President
The ideal Independent-Conservative Party ticket in 2012:

Palin: President
Limbaugh: Vice President

Nobody understands the real America like Rush! He has his finger on the pulse of American thought. Witness yesterday.s comments on the photo-op.

Palin is the best vote-getter possible!

Rush is to Conservatives what Alexander Hamilton was to Socialists.

annplato
You are seriously misinformed. You are so seriously misinformed, I don't have time to respond to everything, so let me just do one. "Furthermore, you social conservatives are against all forms of welfare." Total complete nonsense. There is not one social conservative here who would deny welfare to anyone who was disabled and therefore not able to work or too old to work. The great majority of us would also give welfare to people who were ACTIVELY engaged in looking for work in a bad economy.

Most of us would approve of the New Hampshire welfare system as it exists in small towns. If you apply for welfare on Monday, Tuesday the welfare officer picks you up and takes you around to apply for jobs, provided you are not actually disabled, temporarily or otherwise. If you refuse to take a job, you don't get welfare. If you don't get one but try hard, you do get welfare.

Now what is wrong with that system? Social conservatives LOVE welfare-- properly administered to help the truly helpless and to push the merely lazy back into the work force.

annplato

You delude yourself that ALL Conservatives are anti-ANYTHING!
Those who are anti-abortion are very vocal.
They do not comprise the entire Republican Party.

Roe v. Wade?
Yes MOST Republicans think it is bad law because in conflicts with States Rights.
Roe v. Wade does not in itself legalize abortion, it forbids States from making it illegal.
Thus repeal of Roe v. Wade would leave the matter up to individual States.
Can you see CA or NJ or MA or NY or etc., passing laws to outlaw abortion?

Unbalanced

I know you can post links.
You can't just pretend to be completely stupid like other Commies.
You know you are required to post your sources when you come here posting Communist dogma.
Otherwise it just gets labeled as more of you verbal masturbation.
So show us you are not just playing with yourself in public again.
Post the sources of your Communist dogma and give us Conservatives a good laugh!

Did you read that crap on HufPoo? DailyKrud?

Ms Buchanan
The likes of your daddy has contributed to the shrinking of of the GOP.

No one coerces or enforces abortion in America!!! You and many "conservatives" who on the one hand advocate "individual liberty", want to FORCE bearing an accidental pregnancy to have an individual to be born! Roe v Wade is something that is in favor of INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY, by Individual meaning a human being that is already alive and “breathing”! Anything inside a woman's body, including an embryo that cannot exist as an INIVIDUAL for approximately 5 and a half months, is not the responsibility of the government to force a “living entity” (human embryo) to feed off and excrete into a woman's INDIVIDUAL AND SOVEREIGN body!

Furthermore, you social conservatives are against all forms of welfare, including that for a single mother! Contradictory values and understanding of rights of the INDIVIDUAL?
You bet!

“Gay marriage” (I’ll never understand what is gay about homosexuality) is an issue that can be defeated by conservative principles, without injecting religious dogma into it, and maintaining the individual’s rights and responsibilities at the same time. The rights and responsibilities of the individual if it does not infringe on the rights of the group we call society, should be law.

Unlike the rights of the “unborn”, the rights of a sexually depraved human being for the sole purpose of self-gratification, cannot be imposed on the society at large. Marriage has a purpose: replenishing the human elements, human beings. Sexual activity and preference is NOT the reason for marriage! Homosexuals can have any union they want, but no functioning human society should equate it with the definition of marriage. Marriage is not just a word to be loosely used for depraved behavior.

For the sake of America, conservatives should choose very carefully what to fight for and against!

Independent_voter
"I want the government to balance its budget and stay out of my bedroom."
Sure you do. The second you have a faux pas in your bedroom, you'll scream like a hyena demanding federal AIDS research funding, crisis pregnancy services, or whatever federal remedy will aid your situation.

JMO51

Do you delude yourself that any Conservative cares a rodent's rectum for your Communist input?

If you bothered to read a few Conservative posts on this thread you would understand that we Conservatives are not exactly ecstatic with legislators who give credence to Communist input.

A famous quote of Vladimir Lenin;
"To tell the truth is a petty bourgeois habit, whereas for us to lie is justified by our objectives"

You are on our Conservative site. In the future, please honor our petty bourgeois habit.

Who Moved?
Individual mandates to purchase health insurance, assistance to small business to help purchase insurance for their employees, and a prohibition on excluding people for "pre-existing conditions" were all elements of the GOP's alterative (Dole/Gigrich) to "Hillary-Care" in the early 1990s. Now these are parts of an "overreaching government take-over" of American health-care. Looks like some party took an abrupt right turn.

Afterthought
And where was Steele in all this Scozzafava mess? Have I just missed it or has he been hiding under his desk...along with the other "mainstream" Republican establishment? I think I will go with Palin if she runs. At least she seems to to have courage and be willing to take a stand for what is right.

PARTY LABEL
And the party label has problems because they're widely known as the party of 'no.' They spent 8 years destroying this country, its constitution, its foreign policy, all while feeding the rich more breaks.

The Republican party appears to lean in the direction of smearing, blocking, fear-mongering, lying, distorting, etc.

Newt is probably right when he says the Republican tent needs to grow. Palin, Limbaugh, Beck and gang are only serving to shrink the tent, under the false premise that tea partiers are the majority.

To side with a gang that brings assault weapons to town halls is probably not the best political strategy for the GOP.

Good one Bay
You are spot on! The Republican Party has become a party now "led" by followers, not leaders. They wait to see which way they thing the wind is blowing and follow that. The irony is that they are even wrong about which way the wind is blowing.

I have voted GOP for the past 30 years. Now I am done with voting by that label. I am so disgusted with the Scozzafava thing, and the Crist thing, the Arlen Specter thing... and on and on ad infinitum.

They want to chase the so-called moderates; they can jolly well do so without my support any longer. They couldn't even win when we helped them with our support. Now they can do without.

Where is the LP?
As a long time Libertarian and Tea Party organizer, I am dishearted to find myself in the company of conservative Reps who want to close our borders and ban all abortion in the name of 'the law' or 'protect life' including the unborn'. Unfortunately the message of All Our Freedom, All the Time is lost on Republicans who turn to religion and ask govt to enforce their religious beliefs. Our Founding and Framing Fathers knew better than to have a govt telling its people what to believe or how to live their lives. I believe Separation of Church and State means no laws based on religious morality. No force or Fraud towards the living is the govt's job, no more, no less. These moralists need to understand that the Heavenly Court will not look kindly on forced good behavior or charity. Both must be freely performed or given to count as a plus before your God. Common Sense tells us that. SO get off your moral high ground and join us on ours. If I am not free, you are not free. If He or she is not free, we are not free. Morality must come from each individual's conscience.

Mr. Buchanan,
Are you the only conservative person thinking in politcs?

Look like it's so.

Ivan Yurkenov
Have you noticed how paranoid conservatives are getting lately. Do you really think the Dems would waste their resources trying to ridcule wingnuts on a site like this. What is the possible purpose moron. They key to winning hearts and minds is to appeal to the same people who you need to appeal to if you want ro win elections, that is the swing voters.

Does anyone think that pivoting to the far right is really gonna capture those voters? The best you can do is energize the wingnut base and in the last election their is little evidence that the base either stayed home or went third party and voted for Barr.

The idea that the current Republican leaders in congress are Democrat lite is kooky. There are more far conservatives in congress on the Republican Side then ever. The fact that they are turning out to be the biggest bunch of losers, womenizers, and hypocrites has nothing to do with their ideology. They are acting like conservatives always do when they get into office.

They talk about fiscal restraint except when it comes to their district, (Palin too), they talk about family values but they can't keep the johnson away from prostitutes, staffers, and interns.

And unlike Dems who at least resign when they get caught. (Spitzer) They beg forgiveness when caught and go on their merry way.

Bob

If you think Independents are independent, you need to spend some time watching CSPAN.

You will NEVER EVER see an Independent fail to vote for any Democrat Pork Project.

At present, Political registration has no meaning.
As long as MSM selects what candidates we can vote for the situation will not change and MSM will continue to lead Americans by the nose.

For instance;
Obama never actually won any election.
His entire career was built by MSM & Defaults.
MSM chose Obama over Hillary.
MSM chose McCain, the most hated man in the Republican Party as the Republican candidate, knowing full well McCain could not even carry the Republican Base!
Obama has never had to face a fair election.
Unless matters change, MSM will select an "also ran" for his opposition again in 2012.

If "Republican" is irrelevant, then. . .
. . . what replaces it?

It does seem that it's time as the party of Lincoln has gone. With McCain, Gingrich, Graham and others, as well as RINO traitors Snow, Collins, Leahy and Specter, the GOP has not future as a much-needed foil to the crazies and socialists that now predominate in the Democrat/liberal/leftist coalition.

Given the GOP's propensity of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, whatever the party does most likely won't be in favor of the voters who are not Democrat, liberal, leftist and, generally, non-supportive of the Constitution and America.

Once Upon a Time
I used to be a Republican - from 1970 to 2006. Then the party abandoned its principles and moved left, acting like Democrats. That's when I changed my registration to Independent. The Republican party is, to borrow from my late mother, "as useless as a teat on a boar hog."

L
"The only reason I did vote Republican this last time was because of Sarah Palin"


How's that working for you?

There's more to it...

Four Cardinal Errors, as I will call them, have all but destroyed our original Republic, dating from July 4, 1776 with the Declaration of Independence.

Error One: the Republic failed to gain full freedom and economic sovereignty from the British Crown, and this state of affairs went unrecognized.

Error Two: the country adopted an educational system whose premises were alien to those of a free Republic.

Error Three: Americans slowly but steadily lost the “moral religiosity” of its founding traditions, replacing it with a naturalistic materialism also imported from Europe.

Error Four: Americans did not recognize the British Fabian Society for what it was, and stayed blind as agents of Fabian permeation gradually assumed control over dominant institutions and occupations in this country.

This paved the way for the piece-by-piece erosion of our sovereignty and its replacement by world government (“global governance”).

http://www.scribd.com/doc/21992009/Steven-Yates-The-Four-Ca rdinal-Errors

Scozzafava,Newt,Crist,McCann
It's time to spread the word wide and far about Georgia's Newt Gingrich and Florida's Gov Charlie Crist. Newt endorsed the flaming liberal Dede Scozzafava and a year ago when the primary was wide open in Florida Crist, seeking a VP appointment, came out and stabbed Romney, Tancredo, Ron Paul & Fred Thompson in the back by supporting the RINO Juan McMexico .. which threw the large Republican state organization behind McCain.. ending the hopes of the other candidates. Spread the word about Newt and Crist... stick a fork in 'em, their done as real conservative candidates. In Florida vote for Marco Rubio and not Crist for Senator.

Jason

Regardless of what kind of pot you put it in, it still boils down to Communication!

That is exactly how MSM & ACORN manage to control public opinion.
The majority of Americans only get one side of every controversy, MSM & ACORN.
They can and DO tell any lies they please and they go virtually unchallenged.

Once exposed, truth, (usually), can't be denied.
(GloBull Warming Alarmists still try.)

A grassroots communication system could easily expose MSM lies.
MSM could not fight it without advertising it and arousing more curiosity.
SO; MSM would need to be more cautious with lies.
The membership would have enough political clout to choose candidates and help elect them.

The Status Quo is slanted strongly against Conservatives and it will not change until Conservatives get off their apathetic butts, stop crying and change it.
NOW is an opportune time!
I have never seen so many Americans this angry at Democrats!
Some are advocating armed revolt!
It should not be too hard to get one to subscribe to a Conservative News Letter!

take back the government
" That's today's Socialist GOP for you! "

The Republicans are socialists?

Well, I'll be darned. You learn something new from Townhall eggheads every day!

100% agreement-
Bay is correct and the post by the Marine says it all. I agree with both people. The Repubs need to quickly grow a spine and stick to enforcing the laws that are on the books and elect people like Sheriff Joe in Arizona, and have someone who is solid on the law like judge Andrew Napolitano, just to name a few.

Can't Hold Revival in a Crack house 2

A Revivalist doesn't build his tent in the tavern- he builds it on the other side of the street…giving people the choice to make their own choice where they want to be.

The same goes with the Republican Party. You can't be successful by trying to fill up the Party with a bunch of people who don't have the same values you have...Pro-abortion; Gay marriage; Global warming, and all that liberal fascist nonsense...

Filling up the Party with a bunch of liberal Democrats masquerading as "moderate" Republicans, is like a Pastor filling up his pews with prostitutes, pimps, and drug dealers.

Where the hell does that get you? You want the devil to be your choir director? Give me a break.

The sooner Boehner, Newt Gingrich, and the rest of so-called Republican leaders realize this, and learn to build their "big tent" on the opposite side of the street—giving people a clear choice—rather than in the crack house—better chance they will have of seeing who REALLY stands with them…and who doesn’t.

The attitude that we have to allow closet Democrats—who call themselves “moderates”—to help us win against the opposition…is like forming an army made up of 50% enemy troops—then going to war against the enemy whose cause they support—and expecting to win the battle.

You can't hold "revival" in a crack house and expect to have much success. Republicans should stop campaigning as "moderates" who are nothing more than liberals who share the same values as Democrats liberals. A liberal is a liberal. It doesn't matter whether he/she has an "R" or a "D" in front of their names.

Pure insanity.

Can't Hold Revival in the Crack house 1

"Democrats described a Republican party out of touch with the people.

"We accept moderates in our party, and we want moderates in our party. We cover a wide range of Americans," said Republican House Leader John Boehner in an interview on CNN's "State of the Union."
__________________________________________

On this one point, Democrats are right. And that's what's wrong with the Republican Party today. It's so-called leaders are busy listening to Democrat opinions about who they should be and what they see as wrong with the Republican Party. They are so busy trying to be what the Democrats tell them they should, that they don't know how to be what their OWN constituents want them to be.

They're not listening to us, their conservative base; they're listening to Democrats telling them they need to be more like Democrats.

...and they've fallen for it...hook, line, and sinker.

I always thought that in order to hold a successful Revival- YOU set up your tent; YOU had a message to preach based on a solid set of principles YOU believe in; and the people that came into your "big tent" were the ones who when hearing the Truth in what you are standing for and preaching about…join in your cause.

The ones, who don't feel the same way, don't come in. They don’t join your cause. They don’t follow your beliefs. They go elsewhere...to the tavern around the corner; or to the crack house where they hang out.

The Democrats own these- the crack houses, taverns, and San Francisco bath houses.

If Republicans give people an alternative, rather than trying to show that they enjoy "hitting the pipe" with the best of them, they might be able to learn who their constituency is.


Bay Buchanan & Tom Tancredo
Bay was the campaign chairman for Tancredo in the last Presidential election. Tancredo even with all of his anti-Amnesty credentials still found a way to go Socialist and actually VOTED FOR TARP. That's today's Socialist GOP for you!

The GOP and Conservatism
The GOP and conservative movement are antithetical. They can't like each other or work. At its heart a national party (any national party) wants power accumulation. The conservative movement wants disspertion of power.

The GOPs only danger is conservatism. The success of the DNC actually grows their power. A) it grows the size of the government with grows lobbyists which grows national party power. B) Instant increase in revenues by losing.

Change parties all that you want. The paradox will always be the same. National parties want power. We the people want to be left alone.

Taxation Migration
California and Texas are not perfect representatives of the alternative deals, but they come close. Overall, the Census Bureau’s latest data show that state and local government expenditures for all purposes in 2005-06 were 46.8% higher in California than in Texas: $10,070 per person compared with $6,858. Only three states and the District of Columbia saw higher per capita government outlays than California, while those expenditures in Texas were lower than in all but seven states. California ranked 10th in overall taxes levied by state and local governments, on a per capita basis, while Texas, one of only seven states with no individual income tax, was 38th.

One way to assess how Americans feel about the different tax and benefit packages the states offer is by examining internal U.S. migration patterns. Between April 1, 2000, and June 30, 2007, an average of 3,247 more people moved out of California than into it every week, according to the Census Bureau. Over the same period, Texas had a net weekly population increase of 1,544 as a result of people moving in from other states. During these years, more generally, 16 of the 17 states with the lowest tax levels had positive “net internal migration,” in the Census Bureau’s language, while 14 of the 17 states with the highest taxes had negative net internal migration.

These folks pulling up stakes and driving U-Haul trucks across state lines understand a reality the defenders of the high-benefit/high-tax model must confront: All things being equal, everyone would rather pay low taxes than high ones. The high-benefit/high-tax model can work only if things are demonstrably not equal — if the public goods purchased by the high taxes far surpass the quality, quantity and impact of those available to people who live in states with low taxes.

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/02/golden-state-a-flop/

Cont'd...
Most lawyers have NEVER had Constitutional training at their law schools, and then we wonder what is wrong in DC where un-Constitutional lobbying is rampant and is the staus quo and the fact of the matter is that they don't even know they're disobeying the Constitution. These lawmakers who routinely engage in deal-making with lobbyists (their former no longer elected or retired Congressional buddies working for law firms in DC) on "K" street are actively engaging in BRIBERY and as such deserve IMPEACHMENT. They are deliberately disenfranchising our vote and/or our right to be represented. This is not government, but rather more properly a criminal enterprise run by Corporate America and Special Interests. Under such, Corporate America chooses your candidates for you; you only think you have a LEGITIMATE choice at election time, but in fact, you are picking their favorite prostitute. Until either party decides it will ONLY take money from the People and end the system of lobbying in DC, there is no reason to waste your vote on these criminals.

Opine
I tried to get the guys from Popmodal to start something similar to what you were talking about. I don't think it was sexy enough for them. I might do it, but I am 2 years off from having the time or resources.

The GOP DID LISTEN to TEA Partiers...
and has even fooled them quite well. It can be argued that they even triedto co-opt the movement during the 912 DC March. The GOP's very own, D!ck Armey, helped to organize FreedomWorks which was very instrumental in the 912 March on DC. However, if TEA Partiers even knew how D!ck Armey has personally insulted Tom Tancredo on the issue of Amnesty, they would have booed D!ck Armey off the stage on 9/12 in DC. D!ck Armey is FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION! I'm not making this bleep up! The GOP is NOT a Conservative Party and NEVER will be with its money supply coming from ANY SOURCE BUT WE THE PEOPLE INSTEAD OF WE THE CORPORATIONS! They will always represent Corporate America until YOU, THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER, are their only source for which they can run for office. Until then, the "lobbyism" form of government, also known as UNCONSTITUTIONAL BRIBERY (READ IT: IT'S SPELLED OUT IN THE CONSTITUTION UNDER IMPEACHMENT FOR ALL GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS) will continue. All of you who continue to vote GOP are a fine example of Einstein's definition of insanity in action. Many of us will answer before God for even our perpetual ignorance in the name of short-sighted political expediency. The GOP has demonstrated no will whatsoever to reverse the socialist policies established by the other party. The States have demonstrated little will to oppose this Socialist government, eagerly participating in the madness. Until we get deadly serious on all levels - State and federal - about returning America to Constitutional Conservatism and change the way business is done in DC, America will be utterly destroyed. The GOP does not wish to partake of this battle; it is part of the problem, not the solution. It is not democrat-Lite; it is SOCIALIST-Lite and a perversion of the true meaning of Conservatism in the worst way! The GOP and the Dem Socialists gave your money to their Wall Street campaign financiers and laughed behind ytour backs.

Bay, you don't seem to get it either....
Not one mention of Ron Paul and his role in giving millions hope that just maybe the GOP could be salvaged? Or that he is the catalyst behind the tea parties?

Get out the graphs
Remember Ronald Reagan and his graphs? He showed the American people exactly how his conservative principles would revitalize the American economy.

When you actually look at the data, liberalism falls apart. Most Americans are smart enough to understand this if it is explained to them as grown-ups. Conservatives don't need to hide their agenda, they need to lead with it, and America will follow.

MyOpine
Localization and selective targeting is the key and the internet is changing that dynamic.

Rubio and Hoffman are two case studies where localization and selective targeting worked (Rubio will probably lose, but go showing for a Senate race).

First, stop giving money to the GOP. Give money to your local party, or to Citizens against government waste, etc (I think that was the group that helped Hoffman).

Letter writing: Letter writing to politicians and GOP leadership is hopeless.
But letter writing to talking heads helps a ton. Rush Limbaugh, Laura Ingraham, etc, are influenced by their viewers. If enough viewers do a letter writing campaign the talking head will talk about a conservative. That's their job.

Townhall is good, but there needs to be a craigslist for localized conservative information. People need easy access to information. If you give them easier ask then I trust people to make an informed decision.

Conservativism at its heart is about localization. Unfortunately from the 80s on it whored itself to national politics and lost its way.

Communication is our problem # 2

This is a rough idea for a communications system with the potential to surpass MSM.
Many people want to be informed and some would want to be part of this.

It would require many volunteers to each mass relay e-mail bulletins.
(There is software to manage mass mailing)

A general message to all members would begin with a mass mailing to State relay stations.
State relay stations would mass mail to districts within their State who would mass mail to subscribers.
Each relay station would be on the mailing list of the station they sent to, to confirm they are relaying.
If there is no conformation then an emergency relay station would substitute to maintain full coverage.

A bulletin could also originate at a State, County or City level to inform of local issues.

This is just a rough outline that would need sanding down by the people involved.

Some people in every local have "hot Button Issues", like Abortion, guns, gay marriage, etc.
They feel strongly enough about those issues to print up $5 worth of flyers to distribute door to door and/or in front of markets.
Leftists are prone to violence. We will need to devise a way to protect those passing out leaflets.

It would be started with an e-mail explaining the idea and the need for honest communication so people can make wise decisions.
It would ask responses for relay volunteers and suggestions on refining the system and people who just wanted to subscribe to the bulletin.
It would ask for volunteer authors and suggestions for a catchy name.
It would ask people to pass the e-mail on like a chain letter so the first one reaches as far as possible.

Need someone to start this. I am way too old.
All you need do is ask your family & friends to ask their friends & their families, etc.

Communication is our problem #1.

Media chooses the Candidates.
Media chooses Leftist Fanatics for both candidates.
John McCain is a prime example.
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/5/23/122006.sht ml

Media would quickly fabricate lies to damage any Conservative who stepped forward right now.
Remember THIS?
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/08/palin_smear_of_ the_year_baby_n.html

We might be able to correct the problem if enough people really tried.

see part #2

D.T.O.M
Excellent portrayal of California politics. I have a great many friends in Cali that are staunch conservatives. Unfortunataly they feel they have to vote for the candidate that will do them less harm. I believe that California is a veiw of what America as a whole is and is going to become given the current political climate.

Jim
Bush was as liberal as Obama--the only difference is Bush was borrow and spend and Obama is tax.

Both are big government socialists.

what is she smoking?
"the Republicans Party is deeply conservative while America is predominantly conservative. It is the party label that has trouble, not the philosophy which was once its driving force."

The republican party is a left leaning neo-socialist den of thieves! GW Bush and friends hunted and removed conservatives from the party and then left us with leftists like Specter and Snowe. They backed Scuzzafavor in NY, they backed Schwartzentraitor in CA, everywhere you look the NRC backs a lefto-effete, neo-socialist democrat pink elephant for office!!! The Republican party deeply conservative? what a laugh! What a Joke!!!

I am only A republican to vote for Ron Paul again in the primaries. If the national party wants to run leftists like McNoBrain, Newt Gangwrench or Pit Romney, or the worst of the worst Sarah Pales in Comparison, then intercourse them!

The Party is dead form the neck up, I vote for AMERICA! AMERICA FIRST, PARTY DON’T MEAN A DANG THING

John in AZ
Not only did President Bush (our last real President) not defend himself, his party didn't help matters either. They couldn't talk the talk, much less walk the walk.

I like Bush; I loathe the party apparatchiks. They're nothing but marketers and multi-level marketers. Selling, but not producing.

Newt
Newt is like a shopper who buys the expensive product just because it's name-brand, when the same product next to it is only different because of the label.

People are looking for value. Repugnicans and Bimbocrats are looking for suckers.


Florida too...
The NRSC endorsed Governor Crist almost as soon as he announced his candidacy. Crist is no conservative and definitely doesn't have my vote. I'm not going to give any money to the NRSC or any other PAC that supports RINO's or Democratic-lite. Marco Rubio has a proven conservative record. Hopefully the word will get out and people will not be deceived by Crist's advertising.

Conservative Independence Party
Since those who can unite on the worth of the constitution, the independence it grants and the conservatives who still champion it are no longer the core of the GOP, it may be time to implement the CIP.

Excellent Article
And the answer to your question is NO. The Republicans are committed to bringing Obamalite to their die hard supporters and they will loose and loose again. I am thinking 2016 or 2020 before the best in the Republican Party even have a clue. The only thing that can help them sooner, is a strong VOTE THEM OUT showing
in 2010 and 2012.

It's not just New York...

In California,a "blue" state well on its way to destruction at the hands of its Progressive politicians, Conservative party officials and eager conservative volunteers are suffering active suppression by Republican Party bigshots who are afraid to adopt any stance other than faux-Democrat me-tooism.

The fact is that California DOES have a significant number of conservatives, who COULD, if organized and given even a modest level of support, make significant strides toward returning the state to both fiscal and social reality.

Unfortunately, the California Republican Party brass either doesn't understand this; is pleased as punch to be in last place; or likes its Party titles and is unwilling to risk them in trying for actual achievement.

Shame on them and woe to all the rest of us, in California and everywhere else that suffers such betrayal claimed as leadership.


MY CORE BELIEF
is to have a small fiscally responsible gov. that is NOT socialy intrusive (being socialy intrusive is a job for family, friends and perhaps your church)

Joan
"Obviously she is conservative..."

Really? Since when was it conservative to spend 1/2 a billion dollars of state money and made it so that Exxon, BP and Conoco would have NOTHING to do with AGIA. AGIA would be built (or at least the money paid to) a foreign company that didn't control a single CF of gas and the CEO of TransCanada has said he has no idea if the pipeline will ever be built while at the same time BP and Conoco are moving forward with Denali without a dime of state money, she supported the bride to nowhere, then when it became too hot to support when word got out, she changed positions but supported keeping the money for other Alaskan boon doggles, supported giving Alaskans $500 each to help them pay for increased gas prices (what we usually call welfare), she opposed school vouchers.

What she is is radically pro-"life" even opposing abortion in cases of rape and incest and pro-gun, but these don't make you a conservative--a backwoods populist, yes, a conservative, no.

Sell what you beelieve in.
Conservatives are Republicans because there is no better choice considering the alternative. The key question is: What do party supporters have a right to expect when they contribute their time, money and votes? The answer is obvious...they expect a party to support their core beliefs.

There is no benefit to supporting a party that stands for nothing but winning each and every election at whatever cost it evokes on the principles that motivate your support. If we win some elections and are forced to support ideas that will destroy the very fabric of what we believe in, what have we gained?

The Republican brand suffers for very good reasons. No one in the national leadership sells the Republican brand. There is no clear idea of what the Republican Party stands for except as Republicans are described by the left.

President George W. made a mistake in not defening himself from the viscious attacks from the left...but even more important, the Republican Party itself was nearly totally without voice durinag his tenure. Question: who was the Republican National Chairman during the final years of the Bush administration?

Republicans nationally need to spend time defining their core beliefs and then they need to spend time and money to sell these beliefs to the American people. WE SHOULD NOT FORFIET OUR CORE BELIEFS SIMPLY FOR THE PURPOSE OF WINNING AN ELECTION.

Only by running on core principles will the results of an election victory have real meaning.

GOP
Interest to note that Hoffman started making news when Sarah Palin endorsed him...Newt was just one of the "party". If Sarah runs in 2012 she has my vote. She is apparently the only one out there willing to stand up and tell the truth. Obviously she is conservative and has conservative values - as well as God and country.

Liberal-conserative spectrum is wrong
Politics is more than liberal vs. conservative, or left vs. right. It's also freedom vs. statism/authoritarian. Unfortunately, both parties have moved towards statism. To see where you stand, take the short quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quizp/index.html.

How many conservatives want to make burning a flag illegal? How many conservatives want to reward marriage (of a man and a woman only) thru the tax code? How many conservatives want to give taxpayer money to religious charitable organizations? How many conservatives want to keep drug use illegal (with exceptions for alcohol and prescription drugs typically)? How many conservatives want to keep prostitution illegal, or make porn illegal? Not that I, as a libertarian, believe one should engage in drug use, prostitution, pornography, flag burning, etc, - I don't. I support free speech, even the speech I most disagree with.

I support freedom, not statism. The Republicans no longer support freedom, they support their corporate campaign contributors (Big Pharm, agriculture, etc). A consistent theme of the tea party crowd was for freedom, which means less government.

GOP
Interest to note that Hoffman started making news when Sarah Palin endorsed him...Newt was just one of the "party". If Sarah runs in 2012 she has my vote. She is apparently the only one out there willing to stand up and tell the truth. Obviously she is conservative and has conservative values - as well as God and country.

"Land Of The Greed, Home Of The Slave"

Spoke at the 60th anniversary of the Marxist publication, Monthly Review. He identified himself as a Marxist or, at least, one in simpatico with Central American Marxist dictators.

He said:

America, "land of the greed, home of the slave"


See him in his own words:

http://vimeo.com/6913334

Conservatism Pt II
On the other hand, whenever conservatism is properly articulated, conservatism wins! The last time conservatism was presented - AND IMPLEMENTED - on the national stage, Reagan won 49 states.

It could be argued that Gingrich's 1994 Contract With America qualifies, but I think this example came up short on follow-through.

When properly stated - "I love being a conservative. We conservatives are proud of our philosophy. Unlike our liberal friends, who are constantly looking for new words to conceal their true beliefs and are in a perpetual state of reinvention, we conservatives are unapologetic about our ideals. We are confident in our principles and energetic about openly advancing them. We believe in individual liberty, limited government, capitalism, the rule of law, faith, a color-blind society and national security. We support school choice, enterprise zones, tax cuts, welfare reform, faith-based initiatives, political speech, homeowner rights and the war on terrorism. And at our core we embrace and celebrate the most magnificent governing document ever ratified by any nation--the U.S. Constitution. Along with the Declaration of Independence, which recognizes our God-given natural right to be free, it is the foundation on which our government is built and has enabled us to flourish as a people*" - conservatism has mass appeal EVERY TIME!!!

Ivan

*http://www.opinionjournal.com/ac/?id=110007417

Akagi - fiscal/social conservatism
You can be fiscally conservative though and say the government has no role as to sexual activity between consenting adults, what people view on their own DVD players and the like, what they can do to their own bodies and what they can put inside their bodies.

Since taxes are used to pay for abortion, contraception, treating diseases like HIV/AIDS, and feeding the children birthed by the 'consenting adults' then the fiscal conservative must acknowledge that the govt. does have a say in what these 'consenting adults' do.

It's unrealistic for homosexuals to argue it's their 'business' what they do in their bedrooms if they request that the govt. fund 'HIV/AIDS' and alcholism and drug addiction - that impacts over 50% of their population. It's unrealistic for women to ask the govt. to pay for their abortions then ask the govt. to stay out of their reproductive rights because they 'get to choose'. It's unrealistic for single mothers to ask govt. to pay for their children/food stamps/ section 8 housing and then ask govt. not to interfere with their 'individual rights to reproduce, or parent'.

Simply put, if the citizens pay for the cost of their lives then they get to keep their 'rights' if they accept govt. hand outs or corporate welfare in the case of wall street then by all means the govt. can dictate EXACTLY WHAT THEY CAN AND CAN NOT DO.

Conservatism
This talk of a third party is silly! And ONLY trolls from the left are advancing this argument. From Alinsky: "Wherever possible go outside the experience of the enemy. Here you want to cause confusion, fear and retreat." and "The enemy properly goaded and guided in his reaction will be your major strength."

The posters who are advocating abandoning the GOP do so in the hope of dividing a natural coalition. They are trying to "cause confusion" and "properly goad[ed] and guide[d] "[T]he enemy" to their desired outcome.

The fact is that conservatives need to assert dominance in the GOP and deny the "DIABLOs" - Democrats In All But Labels Only (hat tip to Mark Steyn) party supremacy. A McCain-LindsGraham GOP would be a unmitigated disaster...for us...and the "Progressives" know this.

Ivan

Frog
" You can’t be fiscally responsible but socially irresponsible and reconcile those two worldviews with anything resembling intellectual harmony."

You can be fiscally conservative though and say the government has no role as to sexual activity between consenting adults, what people view on their own DVD players and the like, what they can do to their own bodies and what they can put inside their bodies.


Juan
"Mr?" Darcy is employing "Alinsky", per his job requirement.

Ivan

Scott @ 3:06am
You said:

"Internally conflicted might be more appropriate. Is 'schizoid' not more accurate? You can’t be fiscally responsible but socially irresponsible and reconcile those two worldviews with anything resembling intellectual harmony."

Who said anything about being socially irresponsible? As a conservative Christian, I have learned that the same Constitution that recognizes the liberty I have to seek God and worship Him as I see fit, recognizes the liberty the atheist and hedonist have in their pursuit of happiness. While I might consider some of that they do to be sin, as long as they are not infringing on the rights of anyone else, they should be free to do as they choose.

Tod Kozeluh
Lexington, KY

Tea Party Movement
The Tea Party movement is what America is all about - citizens speaking up for what they believe in - standing up for the America our founding fathers gave us - liberty, freedom. BHO and his cronies, i.e. the nitwit Pelosi,
Reid, Barney et al, if given their way will take this country into a third world - which is exactly what they are about. If you are a liberal now - I doubt that you will enjoy all of your present freedoms taken away, or paying higher taxes on everything you buy - then you will complain...What is it you don't understand about personal freedom?

The Republican Party & Opportunity
If the Leadership of the party will wise up, they have a great opportunity to reinvigorate the party and take back the House. Conservatism is key, but moderates/independents are a necessary part of the mix.

Tomorrows elections will be revealing.

The Dems mis-read their victory and as a result have over-played their hand. They have exposed themselves as far-left radicals intent on ramming through dangerous, ill-advised, and unwanted legislation that will destroy this great country. The electorate has seen this situation to be Change they cannot believe in and never expected.

To be sure, when someone finds that they were mis-led and duped into giving up their trust they turn on the charlatan with great vigor.

The Republican Party would be well advised to modulate their positions to capture and support energized conservatives. Beware, however, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice....


Mr. Darcy
Say anything you want to say, its a free country for today.

Sarah is the only one in either party I would vote for.

God knows the democrats are not leaders, no more than the GOP.

I really like Sarah and if there was no other reason than folks like you do not like her, that would be enough to convince me she has something solid to offer.

Out cities are laying in troubles, democrat created troubles, and there is nothing more just than to watch such as you reap what you sow.

Mr. Darcy WA Nov 2, 2009 - 10:50 AM EST

I keep waiting for the day when progressives and liberals actually have something to offer besides cheap shots.

Can you do that? Can you actually come up with an intelligent thought that will help America?

L
'The only reason I did vote Republican this last time was because of Sarah Palin,"

As I often say, Palin was God's gift to Dems.

It just more proof that he likes and approves of us more than you, or he would have given her to us.

No third party
This is neither the time or place (in history) for a third party. the point has been made, and rightfully so, that "taking back" the republican party is essential to any long lasting improvement.

Taking back the Democratic party wouldn't be so bad either.

Steele, McCain Graham et al made a strategic decision that would make sense if not for a few things.

They saw the democrats leaning so far left that they believed the moderates would endorse a GOP lite. Wrong!! Moderate democrats don't see the folly of bigger government and are naive to the economics of politics.

They viewed the "christian right" as merely the opposite of the "radical left". One overly religious vs anti religion. Belief these were both extreme and would cancel each other assumed a false conclusion. That each group would turn out to vote!!

They correctly identified the "middle" of America's political leanings but failed to identify what makes it neither far right nor far left.

The truth is most Americans would consider themselves fiscally conservative, but culturally moderate, not liberal but moderate. The conservatives I know could care less what happens in your bedroom, but don't want government to dictate their diet or restrict their entertainment or where they get their news.

It's time we made the Republican party for "We the people" and not for the party.

You libs might want to re-establish what the democratic party is as well. It once was for the little guy, now it's for the fringe radicals.

Highland woods
You might think about giving up that tent in the woods and partake of a little city life, where people find it harder to exist solely inside of their delusional heads.

You obviously are so out of touch with reality that - Hey! - maybe Cerb is right, maybe you should be the candidate for the new teabagging party! I think that paranoid fantasies are something you all share, it would be a good starting point for coming together.

Obama isn't organizing a paid staff of trolls (who would be stupid enough to take such a life-wasting job?) -- Obama is too busy sucking out the souls of your kids by telling them to stay in school and be responsible.

To: Independent Voter
Fiscal, AND social conservatives DO NOT go into your bedroom unless INVITED ... and the second you start complaining about your sexual
"rights," you issue an invite to a place few want to go. Very often, you don't just issue that invite, you push it down our throats with a shove in the back to go with it. If you don't want hoards of people in your bedroom, then lock the darn door!

The party doesn't get it anymore
The GOP needs to listen to the tea party movement and tap into that. It's not a D. or R. thing anymore. The GOP needs to clean up it's own camp and get the corruption out of it's own camp, then move forward.
I have a lot of respect for you former house speaker Newt Gingrich and he had a great plan that worked in the 90's. But; we are talking about an evil enemy in obama.
Obama looks at my parents and the baby boomers as the last of the old guard to rid this country of, those of us who remember true freedom.
This engine is broken, the American engine is broken! But, we the people are the answer, we have the values, the tools, the free minds, and the will to make this country prosper again and get people working again. We can do all this without needing the tit of the government for encouragement.
We are Americans and can pull our selves up, dust our selves off and get back to work. If we do that with the Republican party it is up to them, if not and reb. picks and endorsements go to pelosi light candidates. WE WILL DO IT OUR SELVES, WE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

cERB IL Nov 2, 2009 - 10:16 AM EST

You are either being disingenuous or you just don't get it. Obama has shown that 1) he is NOT what he said he was, 2) has hidden, and continues to hide, all personal records from the public (criminals do that), 3) was trained in law, socialism, and Chicago politics, 4) is a narcissist, 5) has done nothing except what is good for him and the shadow government, and 5) is a sociopath.

And you think he is above planting trolls on conservative sites?

Are you kidding?

Thou dost protest too much
cERB, if you're not being paid, you're being screwed. Kind of like being a slit, as opposed to being a whure.

Ivan

PS Shame on TH for filtering proper nouns.

John McCain
Is the poster boy for the GOP today.

Everything the Republican Party represents in personified in this man, and he lost to the most radical leftist, Marxist, unknown, untested, unproven person that has ever run for the Office of President.

This Republican Party he represents will never get my vote again, never never never again.

The only reason I did vote Republican this last time was because of Sarah Palin, and John boy would have been crushed in a landslide if he had not chosen her and the Democrats had run Micky Mouse.

The GOP has lost its support because of men like McCain, Graham, Specter and others like these snakes who have shown they have no more principles of honesty and integrity than a weasel does.

If Sarah runs on another party ticket, that is where my vote would be

Your tax dollars at work
Beware the professional astroturfers - they are easily identified because of their fairly recent appearance here, think of @$$hats such as cERB, and they employ Alynsky's "rules" by chapter and verse.

Poor Hal; he does it for free.

Ivan

Ivan
"The Obama administration has set up a program of hiring posters to infiltrate perceived conservative sites to disrupt, taunt and "ridicule".

I can't believe you actually think that.

Are you high? Did Obama set up this paid cadre of opposition while he was recruiting his communist Army to invade California, or from his birthplace in Kenya?

4 Cardinal Errors
Four Cardinal Errors, as I will call them, have all but destroyed our original Republic, dating from July 4, 1776 with the Declaration of Independence. Error One: the Republic failed to gain full freedom and economic sovereignty from the British Crown, and this state of affairs went unrecognized. Error Two: the country adopted an educational system whose premises were alien to those of a free Republic. Error Three: Americans slowly but steadily lost the “moral religiosity” of its founding traditions, replacing it with a naturalistic materialism also imported from Europe. Error Four: Americans did not recognize the British Fabian Society for what it was, and stayed blind as agents of Fabian permeation gradually assumed control over dominant institutions and occupations in this country. This paved the way for the piece-by-piece erosion of our sovereignty and its replacement by world government (“global governance”).

http://www.scribd.com/doc/21992009/Steven-Yates-The-Four-Ca rdinal-Errors

cERB:
It was not conservatives who called for a civilian defense force just as well equipped, well,trained and well funded as the US Military. I believe it was the Incoherent Without His TOTUS POTUS who said that. Can you say Sturmabteilung,or Sicherheidienst, or Narodnii Kommisaraiat Vnutrenikh De, or Kommitet Gosudarstvennoy Bezopasnosti?

Disclosure
The Obama administration has set up a program of hiring posters to infiltrate perceived conservative sites to disrupt, taunt and "ridicule". Remember Alynsky's axiom, "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counterattack ridicule. Also, it infuriates the opposition, who then react to your advantage." Have you noticed the increase in trolls lately?

Ivan

Republican label is irrelevant!
It's time that those individuals interested in impacting the course of America establish a truly Conservative Party and select candidates that foster conservative ideals. The John McCain and Lindsey Graham Republican Party represents very few conservative ideas. I voted for John McCain in 2008 but only because I feared the political philosophy of Barack Obama. I have vowed to never vote for the lesser of two evils again. Barring any unforseen circumstance in 2012 I WILL vote for a conservative candidate or none at all!

Doc, L, Ivan
You are the ones who are whining. That's all you and TH posters ever do, poor you, Republicans don't listen to you, Democrats want to turn your country communist, moderates don't take you seriously. Wa - wa- wa!

Townhall is one big whine-fest, all talk, no action.

Boo-hoo.

Social Issues and Conservatism
Conservative principles unite Republicans, Democrats, Independents and Libertarians. If we want to capture the optimum number of conservatives, we need to address the issues that drive social conservatives (abortion and gay marriage)and honestly discuss how we can apply a proper separation of church and state to these issues while still protecting the existence of God in our founding principles.

I am not as socially conservative as my fellow conservatives to the right of me, but does that mean I cannot be conservative? How do we acknowledge fiscal conservatives, like myself? I think the government should not support any policies that fund or endorse any aspect of the abortion business. Beyond that, what are we seriously willing to do? Arrest women who abort their fetuses? I highly doubt most conservatives would tolerate that. With gay marriage, clearly define what constitutes a union and let religious institutions define what marriages they will honor. Honor the presence of God in our culture, but clearly define the lines between church and state on these issues and you will see conservatives unite.

Doc, aka Rich
. I don't trust republicans. I trust conservatives. If the GOP does not endorse (and truly hold) conservative values they're not my party."

So when are you going to stop whining and take some real action?

Here ya are crying again
cERB writes:
- 9:55 AM EST
L
Whining?

Either you have me confused with someone else or you need a remedial reading class.
==========
You need to stop your whining son, you lose all credibility when you whine in every post about what others are doing.

Your posts are filled with waaaaaaaaa, waaaaaaa.

So quit crying for crying out loud

What do you cost us?
cERB, what is the White House paying you to post here? How much of our hard-earned tax dollars are you sucking up to undermine our once-great nation?

Ivan

Speaking for myself
I no longer have an ounce of faith we have an honest election process today.

I believe there is so much manipulation and intimidation going on, the process has become a fraud.

I am not trying to speak for anyone but myself and speak of what I see going on with the national elections.

Fraud is what I see

L
Whining?

Either you have me confused with someone else or you need a remedial reading class.

I'm encouraging you to rise up!!! Organize!! We need a third party! It should be you guys!!!

Seems to me that whining is all you guys do - that's essentially what your tea party theater is all about, no? Why not get out from behind your computers and form a new party?

Maybe this time you could get uniforms.


GOP isn't blind, it's anti-conservative
Bay suggests the GOP is blind. In the NY 23rd district a GOP board intentionally selected a democrat (they hand picked Scozzafava, no primary selected her). When I heard Scozzaffava withdrew, I presumed she did it for the benefit of the GOP upon reaching the conclusion that she could not beat the democrat. But then the story exploded ... the candidate selected by the GOP threw her endorsement to the democratic candidate. THAT'S RIGHT ... SHE'D RATHER A DEMOCRAT WIN THAN A CONSERVATIVE.

Republicans need to wake-up. The GOP is endorsing candidates that are DNC-lite, or RINO. They'd rather democrats win than a conservative.

I'm sure the GOP nominating board was duly embarassed this weekend (more like EXPOSED in my opinion). I heard they've endorsed the conservative Hoffman. But this is simply damage control. I don't trust republicans. I trust conservatives. If the GOP does not endorse (and truly hold) conservative values they're not my party.

Republicans are out to
destroy the country. Look at their morals and scandals!! They have betrayed the solid, populist heroes like yourselves.

Form a new party, don't wait for the current one to sink!

Instead of marching around with your colonial costumes and signs, why don't you actually move on something?

Rally around Sarah or Michelle, maybe you can get populist wh- mongers like Limbaugh or Beck to actually stop talking and take part in something.

Go!!! Go!!! Go!!!

cERB
Do you have to come here to do your whining?

Isn't there other sites on the web for you cry babies?

We Have The Power . . .
. . . to retake control of the Republican Party and make it stand for something other than Dem-lite blandness. If we have the power to create a viable third party, we certainly have the power to take control of what should be our own party. If we don't have the power to take over the Republican Party, which most conservatives belong to, then we don't have enough power to create a viable third party either, which will only divide the vote and lead to more Democratic victories.

Remember, the final fruit of the Perot efforts was two terms for Clinton. The final fruit of bloated and sloppy Dem-lite politics was Republican defeat-- and conservative defeat with it.

independent voter
The Democratic Party has been taken over by the Pagan wrong.Sounds like that is where you belong.

carlos
Sometimes a ship must go to the bottom to allow a new ship to be constructed.

Factions, factions ,factions
The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Years ago the election process was based in principles, back when every voter had some they held as greater than any man.

Today its about men and not principle because the two party system has successfully divided the nation and the men who control the two parties do not appear to have any principle above money and power.

Course the older generations actually believed in right and wrong and the Founding Principles were right, and all politics were wrong.

Politics was seen as like the Gong Show, just entertainment, not today.

Lying used to be wrong, no question about it. Today, lying is acceptable and excused if its called politics.

When the population as a whole do not know what they believe, having lost the principles of America, they have no use for principles having mens persons in admiration.

Men like Newt Gingrich is now part of the new world of men, not understanding the principles of truth v. lie, thinking if he accepts the lies of Nancy Pelosi, algore etc. promote and joins them promoting the lie, that will help bring us to unity with the "moderates" of the Republican Party.

Making themselves MORE disgusting liars than the Democrats

Bill
The Tea Party movement could be the first step toward balance.."

You bet! Why don't you teapartiers start putting your money where your mouth is an form an actual party? You've got all those high-profile people like Glenn Beck and Srah Palin already, they know how to speak to "true" Americans like yourselves.

Instead of standing around in public parks, why don't you all quit whining and form a third party?

Leilani, et. al.
I definitely think you guys on the uber-conservative right should destroy the moderate republicans by sheer attrition. Stop giving them money, as you said, stop voting for them, take their campaign signs down when no one is looking and continue to push Palin and Bachman, say, as your next candidates.

Otherwise, where are your true principles? You can easily win all the elections over the next 4 years with your heroes. Maybe Glenn Beck could take over Steele's job.

Oh, and be sure to send your donations to Orly Taitz so that you can revive the birth scandal - that will really enlarge your political base.

why not a far right conservative?
why did John McCain win the nomination last year instead of say, Mike Huckabee--

Because so many states do not require a statement of party affiliation...for good or ill that open the contests to diluted voter philosophies.

Best solution: term limits. Given the government printing office budget and media love fest, how many incumbents have been defeated recently. The Tea Party movement could be the first step toward balance...lord knows the reason congressmen try so hard to get re-elected is they would hate to live under the laws they've passed.

GOP?
I keep receiving mail and surveys from the GOP asking for donations too....nada, never happen!!! they don't listen to the surveys. They just go ahead and keep doing what they have been doing...driving in the center of the road...Well, one of the most important lessons in life is: IF WHAT YOUR DOING ISN'T WORKING, CHANGE WHAT YOUR DOING!! My suspicion is that the GOP has been taken over by those One Worlders and Dems have been taken over by the Communists...check out Alinsky's Rules for Radicals...it works both ways.

GOP administrators
Who actually runs the apparatus of the GOP? Who selects the leaders? These are the people who need an attitude adjustment. Does their blood run blue?

Huh
20% of the population if Republicans because the extreme far right only represents about 20% of the population. Those other conservatives who in independents and dems are more moderate and are not going to rally around the Republican Candidates because they pivit more to the extreme side. In fact more likely they will gravatate to Blue Dog Dems. McCain lost because Bush was a disaster, everything around us was falling apart from the wars to economy. And McCain could not figure out who he was. Appoint Palin was a desperate act to hold onto the radicals in the Republican Party that always distrusted him cause he on occasion plays nice with Dems. Palin who was clearly not ready for prime time, energized the radicals and at first drew some interest from the general population but all the polls showed that in the end Palin hurt more than helped McCain. Thus all the defections of conservatives to Obama. (Not the radicals, but mainline conservatives.)

And what about New Jersey, the Republican running against Corzine has a very moderate record, more moderate the McCain or Graham. Do you think a Republican would be doing as well if they had nominated a wingnut?

Principles
For me...the "Life" issues (abortion, etc.) are the best measure of a candidate's qualifications. If someone is not pro-life...well, the fountain is "sicko" and will poison every issue.

So, I ALWAYS vote pro-life. Period.

When there are more than one candidate that is pro-life I always vote to win. That eliminates an independent candidate. Sorry, but if Teddy could not win with his run for the presidency...an independent will only split the vote.

If a pro-life Democrat were to run against a pro-abortion Republican...I would vote Democrat. Sorry...but without God's approval we are sunk.

And one more thing. It took us Christians a long time to work our way into the Republican Party. How about a few prayers for us? We got a few changes in the platform that need to stay there.

gop
The question of why McUseless was the "party nominee" as opposed to a conservative is answered in the winner-take-all primaries that eliminated any choice in the later primaries. By silencing a majority of conservative voters the "leadership" cut their own throats and hung US all out to wave in the wind. They were "the messiah's" best help and the country's worst enemies.
Primaries are SUPPOSED to allow the greater public to have a voice in it's government. It is through them that We The People get to choose OUR candidates and hence reps.
Unless and until the "leadership" allows The People to decide who will be a candidate the gop will remain lower case.

conservative populist
Someone needs to tell Ms Buchanan that "conservative populist" is an oxymoron.

She gets points for identifying part of the problem, but not for her proposed solution.

As a Lifelong Independent Voter
with Conservative principles I am happy to see more people question the party line voting patterns and beginning to look at what individual candidates really practice. There was a time that I could find worthy candidates in both parties. No more--since both have been hijacked by firmly ensconced "leaders". I want to see principles above party so that a true choice is available. I am tired of the media's lack of actual reporting without the journalists' opinion woven into whatever they write or report.
We used to have statesmen who stood proudly for their principles, who actually debated fairly with their adversaries and then worked to identify
the best ideas for the good of our nation. We now have a bunch of power hungry, principles be damned individuals who look out first for themselves, second for party and care little for what citizens want.

The GOP
That's a very poignant question you end with. And it's entirely up to the GOP.

Much of which has been infiltrated by liberals over the last decade or so. Even McCain's campaign had liberals in sheeps clothing sabotaging the campaign at every opportunity.

The GOP can do whatever they want to do, but they do it alone. The view that conservatives would vote R simply because they couldn't bring themselves to vote D is arrogant, conceited and erroneous. As they are finding out.

I call what's taking place in NY-23rd as the Lieberman effect. Lieberman lost as a Democrat in the primaries and ran as an independent and won. You will see this effect all across the electoral landscape in 2010 if RINO's manage to win primaries.

Independent_voter
You're not very well informed, are you?

If the GOP had been, as you say, "taken over"
by the so called "far right", then why did John McCain win the nomination last year instead of say, Mike Huckabee? And why did the true conservative in NY23 have to run as a Conservative, rather than a Republican, if the "far right" is controlling the party?

The truth is that you don't know what you're talking about. My guess is that you're a Democrat trying once again, to water down the issues by pretending to be a disgruntled former Republican.

Social issues and fiscal issues are inexorably tied together. That will always be the case.
It was more true under Reagan than at almost any other time, yet you say you voted for him.
The GOP is heading now to where to used to be BEFORE Reagan, which is the milquetoast, lukewarm, go along to get along, moderates (read: liberal), and that's because the true conservatives have been shut out of the process.

If you think it it is in your best interest to have the government pay for abortions, and other perverse activities, then go ahead and ignore "social" issues. Abortion and gay marriage are key issues because the morality of a people influences everything else. Thomas Jefferson said it best "The only legitimate object of good government is the care and protection of human life."

If all you care about is money, then you really don't have a place in either party.


Third party vote splitting
Ross Perot proved a strong third party candidate can win by making the Democrats and Democrat Lite Republicans split the socialist/fascist votes. He was ahead in the polls when he showed his weirdness near the finish line.

DICTATORIAL SOCIALISTS CRIMINALISMS
bay, you are wonderfull and i support you against these obama DIVTATORIAL NATIONAL SEMI SOCIALISTS CRIMINALISMS i do not know what else to call them

A matter of nomenclature.
One of the myriad problems of American politics is that it has been reduced to a single linear spectrum of Left vs. Right. This is far too simplistic to reflect reality.

Conceptually, it's easy to add more dimensions to the Left-Right. For example, an Up-Down could be added, where Up favours big, "active," government while Down wants smaller government.

Traditionally, the GOP was not just Right, it was Down-Right. But in recent years, the Party has moved Up, to the Up-Right, where the Up component seems to have swamped the Right component.

The Democrats have always been Ups. With the GOP as Ups, and the Dems as Ups, that leaves absolutely no party available to the Downs--the small-government, get-the-damned-bureaucrats-out-of-my-hair, people.

Unfortunately, for the GOP, most Americans have stayed Down. Maybe a little Left or a little Right, but not enough in either direction so as to become intolerant of their neighbours. Obviously, what the GOP needs to do is not move to the centre but to move instead Down.

Republicans Irrelevant? YES!
In te current atmosphere in Washington where our rights are being trampled on daily,party labels no longer matter.

Today it is Socialism vs Capitalism and Americans need to start picking their leaders on both sides that really mean it when they swear to uphold and protect the constitution.

The first question asked of any future candidate should be ... Will they actually fight for our rights as a free people as the constitution dictates.


The Republican Party HAS ....
alienated its conservative base. The nitwits have created a vacuum, and run the risk of triggering a third party movement.... something I don't want to see happen!

Anyone still appalled that Newt Gingrich did the "climate change" ad with Nancy Pelosi?!?! What?!?! Hopping aboard that scam train forever damaged his credibility... He's a bright, scholarly, guy, but didn't do his homework on this issue.... one which was manufactured by ENRON, usurped by Gore, and embraced by every political opportunist on the planet. He might as well have put on a white lab coat and advocated the "Public Option"!

Scazzafava is a prime example of the wishy/washy liberal bent Republican Party. She had no problem taking RNC funds, but as soon as she ran into strong republican opposition, she bolted, and endorsed the Democrat! Anyone in the RNC paying attention?

Limbaugh and Beck didn't manufacture the alarm and opposition to the statists ambitions, staggering spending, and massive government growth! They recognized and REFLECTED it. Duh! They would have been largely ignored, had legitmate public concern been reported by the mainstream media. The Republican Party missed the boat, too. Seems Big Centralized Parties are little better than Big Centralized Govt. Decision makers are light years removed from constituants.

What's in a name?
Anybody ever wonder that the very name "conservative" evokes a backward-looking image, when in fact (at least in its libertarian component) is part of the most radical political movement of the past few centuries?

Wonder how the Left got away with calling themselves "progressives" when all they have to offer is the ancient, regressive notion of absolutist government of the "best" people?

Could it be that we have an ongoing image problem?

Wrong objective
The Republican party does not need a "big tent". It needs big principles.

Those principles are written in the Constitution and Declaration of Independence.


The problem is in the Republican PARTY
...NOT the voters.

The Republicans who vote, are seldom affiliated with "party" politics (and for good reason), and are fed up with "republicanism", and are the ones WE need to appeal to in order to win elections. Conservatives are being shunned, kicked out of the State Party "organizations", and being told to go away, shut up, and stay gone.

Care to wonder WHY the Republican name is tarnished? As a lifelong Republican (little "r") and a capital "C" Conservative and ALSO as a Candidate for the US House, I can't even get "Republicans" affiliated with the "party" to return calls. Yet, I press forward and WILL make an impact in 2010. WE change the party from within, not by leaving, and that is a secondary goal of mine.

It's the PEOPLE I am garnering support from with the BOLD and EXCITING message of Conservative values on every front. Standing FOR something is better than standing for nothing and that is what a "moderate" does- stand for nothing and tries to simply "get along". It's time to draw the line in the sand and be what I am- a TRUE Conservative with principles and values that are not compromised for party loyalty.

Sincerely,
Michael "Mike" Yost
Yost for Congress - 2010 FL CD-3
http://yostforcongress.com

Interesting...

I have been quite concerned with the direction the country has taken in recent years, and am extremely upset at the election of socialist Obama. This is NOT our America anymore. But what has gone wrong?

In my ongoing search for reasons and answers to our current national predicament, I came across the Cardinal Errors articles from Steven Yates.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/21992009/Steven-Yates-The-Four-Ca rdinal-Errors

This article answers many of my questions and satisfies many of my thoughts on shadow government, our lousy education system, the money system, etc.

The unfolding drama of Dede
in NY-23 is a large shaft of light into the workings of the parties. The left wing of the GOP ran the party for many years. Reagan broke the mold and made the party attractive to a landslide of Americans. His choice of Bush as VP was a huge mistake. The Bushes are the quintessential connected establshment Republican. These CINOs returned the party to the cozy big government Dem-lite role. These are the folks called moderates by the Democrats. The NY GOP has always been a leader of this crew and their selection of Dede Scuzzy was a prime example. Nothing could be more clear than the true principles of the people who endorsed and who opposed her. Gingrich, McCain, Steele and the RNC were shown to be CINOs everyone, as Dede endorsed the Democrat against the man championed by Palin, DeMint and the consedrvative voters of NY-23. These people have been the beard behind which the abrogation of the constitution has taken place. They must be repudiated and replaced, with conservatives in the primaries, a la NY-23 (hooray) or by new faces, even if Democrat. Putting in another Democrat is better than a CINO because it makes it clear where the grief is coming from. If the collectivist path is what the majority want, so be it. They would get it anyway. But nanny government under the likes of Dede Scuzzy would be a trajedy because it would take place under false colors, installed by voters who think they are getting something else. Barry the Empty is the best thing that happened to conservatism since Reagan. He is demonstrating what the left is, and wants, and does, and the results.

Nonsense on stilts!
"Bottom line—the Republicans Party is deeply conservative while America is predominantly conservative."

This is arrant nonsense. A deeply conservative party would not have nominated either Dede Scozzafava or John McCain. A deeply conservative party would never have accepted the likes of Jim Jeffords, Lincoln Chafee, Susan Collins, Olympia Snowe, or Arlen Specter. A deeply conservative party would have gone to the mattresses to defend Rick Santorum and George Allen.

A deeply conservative party would, by now, have canceled the membership of Arnold Schwarzenegger.

The Republican Party wants more allegiants? Quit the posturing, expel the GOP kingmakers and RINOs, and try acting as if your platform were more than wastepaper.

abc/washington post survey.....
well, DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Independent_voter
I agree we want no more tax and spend "conservatives", and as for the social issues, lets keep it just that social, not litigious or legal. That kind of decision making is no job for mere mortals unless you have the wisdom of Solomon (and even he didn't do so well in his own personal life with all that esteemed wisdom).

Independent_voter

You must watch MSNBC. You see the Tea Party crowd is all about balancing the budget. Less government and more freedom. None of them care about what you do in your bedroom.

Where as the Democrats want to very much be apart of your bedroom activities. They want you to buy Condoms for children. They want you to pay for peoples abortions when they fail to use a condom. They want to pay for sex change operations. They have a whole host of private activities they want to intrude upon.

I suggest you turn off MSNBC and find out what is really going on.

Independent_voter- we all must choose...


Independent_voter: “The Republicans are now the party of "deficits don't matter." But as it turns out, they matter alot.”


Yes they do, and since the Repubs have chosen to cast their lot with the Dems, our choice appears at first to be limited to either dumb or dumber.

Or we could *repudiate them both*. If everyone did that, we would get real change. But if we continue to hold our noses and keep voting for the lesser of two evils, we just enable the GOP traitors, and sign our own slow, lingering death warrant.


~~~


Independent_voter: “And social issues? It seems that abortion and gay marriage are all that matters now.”


If you don’t get core issues of morality right, the rest doesn’t matter; whether you like it or not, murdering babies (that’s what it is) or endorsing the sin of fornication (homosexual or otherwise) are both core issues of morality.

Have you not heard, you cannot build your house on a foundation of sand and expect it to stand? But people (much like yourself) will try to sing that Siren song, wrapping themselves in the labels of “moderate” or “independent”, as if being either one was a virtue when the country is burning down all around us.


~~~


Independent_voter: “You can follow that path to irrelevance.”


By declaring yourself in favor of fiscal conservatism but against social conservatism, have you not declared yourself irrelevant? Your internal conflict is such that neither side can count on you. You want to sit on a fence between them and have it both ways, picking-and-choosing what you like from each.

If that’s the best you can do, then go be on the Left’s side. At least that way I can see what direction the knife is coming from.




Independent_voter - internal conflict.


Independent_voter: “It is independent_voter. There is no oxymoron.”


Internally conflicted might be more appropriate. Is 'schizoid' not more accurate? You can’t be fiscally responsible but socially irresponsible and reconcile those two worldviews with anything resembling intellectual harmony.


~~~


Independent_voter: “I should be a Republican. I used to be one.”


I used to be one too, but now I am ashamed of the GOP. Based on the conduct of the GOP over the last 20 years, nobody should be a Republican today. Either they have forgotten every single last principle and value that conservatives believe in, or they have intentionally forsaken them.

Regardless, they don’t deserve any conservative’s vote, and the so-called “moderates”, to whom the traitorous GOP feels compelled to sell their souls, can’t seem to make up their minds on serious issues even if the world depended on it. And that’s who the GOP is courting to join their ‘ship of fools’.


~~~


Independent_voter: “But that Republican party is long gone since they have been taken over by the Christian Right.”


What are talking about? The GOP couldn’t distance itself more quickly or more publically from ALL things Christian if they made doing so an official part of their party platform.

Does your statement demonstrate a misunderstanding of what a Christian is, or a misunderstanding of what the GOP actually *does*, compared to the things they pay lip service to?


independent_voter @ #6
Ms Buchanan used the term down in paragraph 13: "... the Independent Party candidate, if such were possible...."

I was not addressing you.

Goodbye, GOP. RIP.


Bay Buchanan: "The key to expansion then is to realign itself with that which is conservative and regain the trust of the 35% of Independents and 21% of Democrat who also call themselves conservative."


Clearly the GOP is fine with sticking a knife in the back of conservatives at every opportunity, while pandering like a love-struck school-girl to people who will never EVER vote for them... not even if they were the last politician on earth.

This is the GOP's super-secret "two in the bush is worth infinitely more than one in the hand" strategy.

That's the kind of wisdom of which proverbs are made.


Goodbye, GOP.


Rest in pieces.







Dr pb
It is independent_voter. There is no oxymoron.

I should be a Republican. I used to be one. I voted for Ronald Reagan twice. But that Republican party is long gone since they have been taken over by the Christian Right. The Republicans are now the party of "deficits don't matter." But as it turns out, they matter alot.

And social issues? It seems that abortion and gay marriage are all that matters now.

You can follow that path to irrelevance.

Independent Party?
Ain't than an oxymoron?

Dems have looked equally dead many times in the past couple decades. Obama may be the final nail in their coffin.

The Republicans have a one-size-fits-all fiscal & social philosophy: cut taxes. No fire in the belly. Their image is pro-Big Business and cheap (illegal) labor. Time to wake up to the fact that Americans are tired of the song & dance.

We're saddled with the two-party system. Unfortunately, we have to wait until the parties change internally -- leadership, dynamics. Usually, it takes an earth-shaking event.

independent voter ..Like Jimmy Swaggart?
You were obviously watching Jimmy and thought it was a tea party.
The original tea party was about taxation without representation - a matter of economic freedom. The current tea parties are a protest against the stimulus package and all the bailouts. There were no social issues on the plate - sorry.

No it is not!
Defeating the dems in 2010 is the only game in town if you want America to survive. As much as conservatives are disappointed in the likes of Lindsey Graham and Olympia Snowe, they will not sink America. Pelosi, Reid, Franks, Rangel and such are punching holes in the ship's hull as we blog. And they will send our ship to the bottom unless we act.

Disappointment in the GOP
The GOP has been hesitant to embrace the Tea Party movement, a truly energized spontaneous conservative uprising. Scozzafava is an embarassment. If the GOP doesn't wake up and start being the voice of conservatives, they are no better than blue dogs.

Ms Buchanan
I am a fiscal conservative and social libertarian.

I want the government to balance its budget and stay out of my bedroom.

If the tea party crowd takes over the Republican party, they definately will not get my vote. And there are alot of independents exactly like me.
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