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Sunday, May 24, 2009
Austin Hill :: Townhall.com Columnist
"Hope," "Change," And Lawsuits: Obama's Battle For American Collectivism
by Austin Hill
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It’s not about you.

It doesn’t matter who “you” are. It’s no longer about your rights as an individual, or the on-going need to safeguard the rights of all individuals. No, at this stage in the American story, It is now about Barack Obama’s need to save everybody, and, thus, it is the “collective good” that matters.

It is now clear that President Obama is on a mission to convert the U.S. to “collectivism.” This, presumably, was part of what he was conveying during his campaign, when he promised “change” for America.

And rest assured that a “change” in America’s governing philosophy is well underway, because collectivism is a philosophy that emphasizes human “interdependence” over the traditionally American notion of “independence,” and the “wellbeing of everybody” over the ‘wellbeing of the individual person.”

So if the rights of a few hundred thousand individual investors get trampled on in the process of Barack Obama ushering-in the “American collectivist era,” well, that’s no big deal. Such sacrifices are worthwhile, as long as the greater good - the ‘collective good” - is enhanced.

Two weeks ago in this column I wrote about the President inserting himself in between the Chrysler Corporation, and some of Chrysler’s secured creditors. I pointed out that the status of being a “secured creditor” (as opposed to being an “unsecured creditor”) implies some specific legal rights. For example, in the event that a borrower - in this case, the Chrysler Corporation - declares bankruptcy, a “secured creditor” has the right to full payment of what the borrower owes, before the borrower goes about “negotiating” reduced ‘settlements” with the unsecured creditors. In the case of Chrysler, there are a handful of hedge funds that loaned money to the company, and, thus, these hedge funds are legally entitled to 100% repayment.

The legal rights of secured creditors are grounded in constitutional law, and the constitutional rights of individuals to make contractual commitments with each other. It’s also a very serious legal problem for an individual or group to disrupt other peoples‘ contractual relationships- in legal-speak, it’s called “tortious interference” - and until now, it has been unthinkable that the President of the United States would do such a thing, while in the process trample upon these very sacred Constitutional rights of private U.S. citizens.

But things are different now. We’re on a journey towards “collectivism,” and in “saving” Chrysler, Obama will serve the “collective good” and save us all.

So when the hedge fund managers refused Obama’s “offer” of 29 cents on the dollar as “payment” of Chrysler’s debt, and instead insisted on exercising their legal rights and demanded 100% payment from Chrysler, Obama threw a fit. Legal rights be damned, the President began accusing the hedge fund managers of being unpatriotic and selfish.

That was two weeks ago. And this past week, managers of two Indiana state pension funds, which were among the roster of Chrysler’s secured creditors, went to court to try to block Barack Obama’s forced “settlement.” The pension funds represent private retirement accounts of school teachers, and police officers, and the manager of one of the funds claimed that Obama’s plan would force the teachers and police officers invested with him to lose $4.6 million.

So let’s be very clear about what’s happening here: teachers and police officers, presumably people of modest economic means, who have assumed the personal responsibility of saving and investing for their individual futures, have invested in certain funds, with the assumption that the money they “put in” to a fund will produce a “return.”

And now, Barack Obama, in defiance of investment law, contract law, and basic accounting practices, is seeking to force these teachers and cops - along with lots of others who in good faith invested in the Chrysler Corporation - to abandon their hope of a “return on investment,” and instead, accept a 70% loss of their savings.

This is to say that, by insisting on their individual, legal right of 100% repayment from Chrysler, these teachers and cops have gotten in the way of Obama’s plans to “transform Chrysler,” and his goal of serving the ‘collective good.”

“That’s an outrageous accusation” the Obama fans will tell me. “Obama wants to help people, not hurt them.”

But individuals who plan for their own retirement and take personal responsibility for their lives can be a problem for a political leader who is intent on saving everybody. And damage wrought to even a few hundred thousand school teachers and cops is a small price to pay, if the “collective good” can be served.

Now that President Obama’s philosophical leanings have been revealed, America needs to know where the rest of the Congress stands. Do the members of Obama’s Democratic Party - the party “in charge” - share in the President’s collectivist vision? Are Pelosi, Reid, and the Democratic leadership willing to cast aside the freedom of the individual person, so one man can fulfill his hopes and aspirations for what he believes America should look like?

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Austin Hill is a Talk Show Host At Boise, Idaho's 580 KIDO Radio, and a frequent Guest Host on the Fox Newstalk Radio Network. He is the Author of "White House Confidential: The Little Book Of Weird Presidential History," And Co-Author of the forthcoming title "The Virtues Of Capitalism: A Moral Case For Free Markets" (Northfield/Moody Press, 2010).
 
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When did we accept
A President was above the Law?
This is crime and is unacceptable from a President as much as it is for anyone else.

Either we demand he be charged or accept him as king and not a hired hand sitting in the Oval Office.
This guy is no better than a street thug
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And now, Barack Obama, in defiance of investment law, contract law, and basic accounting practices, is seeking to force these teachers and cops - along with lots of others who in good faith invested in the Chrysler Corporation - to abandon their hope of a “return on investment,” and instead, accept a 70% loss of their savings.

Historical Parallels
If you want to really stop and weigh what is happening, consider the parallels that now exist between the propaganda techniques enacted by Hitler's Minister of Propaganda: Joseph Goebbels and those of the current administration. NO, I am not suggesting that the horrific end results are intended to be the same, but rather that the techniques now being used to gain power over and acceptance by the masses are indistinguishable from Goebbel’s methods. This YouTube link let’s you hear Goebbels’ (translated) words. This is history, well documented. We really need to resist as this administration continues it unprecedented power grab.

Here is the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHAGSXBYl1g

If you have trouble with the link go to Google and type in "Hitler Minister of Propaganda". The 4th item down is the YouTube link.

Unchecked arrogance
grows like a cancer. This president is misinterpreting "we won" to mean, "I am now the undisputed King of the Universe." What's yours is now mine. He inadvertently warned Joe the Plumber of his intentions. Nobody listened.

Elections have consequences, and none as dire as this last one.

Talent scout
Thug is an apt description, but have you ever in your life seen the level of arrogant corruption that's been displayed by this person occupying the White House, his W.H. cabal, and the DemonRAT Congress. It's as if the doors of He!! were opened and all the demonic forces have
come out to steal our Republic. In fact, I think it's a spiritual battle, and the Church in this country has been caught flat footed and complacent, scared silly of losing it's tax exempt status so volutarily muzzled itself, hence the moral decay that's gone on since 1954.

Our strongest weapon against this evil is prayer, daily and hourly..and more than just a few prayer warriors or we are lost.

If you follow the many lawsuits about his Natural Born Citizen status..it's as if there's a brick wall between them and justice. It's
the right of all of us to know for sure, the truth about this person, is he or isn't he
a Natural Born Citizen. Why is he spending so much money to keep it hidden? And why are the
ones we consider people of integrity in political office (few as they are) so silent
when they have been approached with information?
And again this has to be a spiritual dimension
that is blocking it, millions of American's just want to know one way or another. He's not a king that may get away with silence, he's a hired hand, and we are ostensibly his employers.

I have seen the corruption
For years coming out of Washington DC, just not this sort today.
A blatant in your face mugging attitude by this thug obama and his street gang from Chicago.
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Date: May 24, 2009 - 12:52 AM EST
Talent scout
Thug is an apt description, but have you ever in your life seen the level of arrogant corruption that's been displayed by this person occupying the White House, his W.H. cabal, and the DemonRAT Congress......
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I am more disgusted with the republicans than the democrats to be honest.

For years we have seen the tactics of lying snakes in the democrat party, and only rarely from republicans.

This election offered the weakest person to ever run for that Office in Barry Soetoro, aka the obama.

McCain helped him decieve the American Public with his support for this fraud.

Every place I have dug into the life of Barry Soetoro there is nothing but dirt and slime hanging on his every move.
Since the age of 20 and his trip to Pakistan.
McCain had so much ammunition he never fired at this fraud he could have destroyed him with, if he was not himself a corrupt lying and paid-off politician.

Obama is a thug
Every move he makes is with the very same attitude of a street tough.

He is running the Federal Government no different than the Mafia runs their scams

Class Action by secured creditors

The secured creditors of Chrysler, and GM as well need to round up some aggressive legal eagles and begin a class action law suit!

and SUE OBAMA too!

OBAMA is stealing assets from the citizens and passing them off to pay off those who elected him.

OBAMA needs to be impeached as well!

This is not the world I live in
From the moment President Obama took office he constantly said this is not the world I live in. The visions President Obama has of a world he wants coincides with his remaking of this country concerning the businesses,banks, and health care. Thats only the beginning. The people's mentally is next. It has to change in order to grow with the world President Obama envisions. As it stands, President Obama is moving toward a one party system where free political speech is reserved only for the President and the Democrats. Any opposition to the politics of President Obama is viewed as philosophical differences based on failed theories of the Bush administration and we don't want to hear it. President Obama spoke in one of his speeches of experiments the Bush administration did, along with abandoning core values and the rule of law. What about the experiment that is going to now, imitating the actions of a third world leader concerning the free market and capitalism. What about the experiment to see if having a socialist government can fit into a free society, with a free market and the memory of capitalism. If President Obama wants everyone to make the same money, have the same things, drive the same fuel efficient cars, and have the same savings, then change the name of this country to Cuba #2 or Venezuela #2, or even Nicaragua #2. Haven't the Democrats said we have to be like the rest of the world. President Obama's on his way to make it happen.

Collectivism vs. Individualism
Is a revolution the only solution? I prefer less drastic measures to save our country from those who do not appreciate their freedom and independence. That includes those in the gov't. who believe they are above "us ordinary citizens".

What a sickening bunch of supposed representatives of the people. Does the word "evil" come to mind?

Your vote.
If it went to resident yomama, stfu!!!!!!!!!!!

HEY BARRY!!!




.........YOU SUCK AS PRESIDENT, AND YOU SUCK EVEN MORE AS AN AMERICAN (are you REALLY an American, Barry? Show us your birth certificate you poser)

Impeachment time, folks, it is indeed impeachment time.

NOW that Obama’s philosophical leanings

have been revealed???

SOME OF US began to “hear” the collectivism - Marxism in his rhetoric early on in his campaign as he continually paraphrased “From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.”

Obama, as in DEFIANCE of INVESTMENT, CONTRACT LAW, and BASIC ACCOUNTING PRACTICES... NOT TO MENTION THE CONSTITUTION. (One would think a lawyer would know about these things.)


Freedom
The ideal of individual rights as laid out in the US Constitution is being trampled upon daily by Obama and his henchmen.

Obama, as did Jim Jones, has mixed the coolaid and is asking Americans to drink...and it seems many are willing to end it all for an "utopian dream" and a promise of "hope and change."

Barry the Big Eared Chimp....
Our Moooslim-Marxist in Chief, aka, Barry the Big Eared Chimp, specializes in smooth, jive talkin, presenting himself as the reasonable man in the middle of every debate, not like those crazy extremists to his left and right.

It's a con; it's his schtick. It's becoming obvious even after just 4-5 months.

When unemployment goes over 10% or 11% nationally, which it likely will due to Barry's anti-business, anti-growth policies and his silly, immature obsession with building a "green economy", the Chimp in Chief will be run out of office.

You see, Barry is a CENTRAL PLANNER, aka, COMMAND AND CONTROL economy believer. If centralized economic planning worked, the USSR would still be around as well as Red China (still are of course) and Cuba would have 2009 model year cars instead of 1959 model year cars.

It's insane to allow Obama to continue..
Thank God a few people are starting to push back on the Boy King's illegal power grabs. Only a corrupt court would find against the secured creditors who are now suing over the Chrysler grab. Beyond that, it is illegal for the Boy King to seize stock and "give" it to his corrupt union buddies who supported him with money. That is called a "quid pro quo".
Let's face it...just about everything Obama does is impeachable. But the only way to beat a bully is to stand up to him and say NO!

It is long past time to get serious about forcing the birth certificate issue. Press it with your representatives and Senators and talk it up with your friends and neighbors. This arrogant Boy Who Would Be King is NOT an American. He MUST be removed, by whatever means necessary. America is at stake.

Gutless America
I can imagine what would have been the fate of a self-elevated dictator in the early days of the Republic. It would certainly have been unpleasant and might have involved a jury and a verdict, perhaps followed by a hefty rope and a stout tree limb.

Today, we are a bit more oblique in our responses. We chose the political process, mostly through the ballot box. However, in this instance under the dictator wannabe there may be nothing left to save in 2010, much less 2012.

People have to get active, and get active NOW!Get on the Congress and let them know you will turn every last one of them out of office if they do not make immediate changes. Be relentless and be merciless in sharing your intentions. What better use of your time is there? Watching the mindless pablum that passes for entertainment on the Idiot box? Come on, let us get in on life's parade, instead of sitting on the sidelines as useless spectators.

As for July 4th - have your BBQ on the 3rd or the 5th - on the 4th be enthusiastically and vigorously involved in a Tea Party, or....... do nothing and be prepared for a life of interminable taxes, abject fear, daily intimidation and ultimately, total oppression.

WE shouldn't be surprised! The very

people who are buying into Obozo's "collectivism & Marxism" are the very same shallow, non-thinking people who voted for this Marxist without proof that he's even ELIGIBLE to BE POTUS.

Of course these shallow, non-thinking people will ridicule and harass those who still question Obozo's ELIGIBILITY to BE POTUS, but they can't prove that Obozo actually IS ELIGIBLE!!!



And another thing...
Do you want this Boy King who illegally occupies the White House to appoint a Supreme Court justice? He will surely appoint someone of his own mindset, who will undermine the US Constitution for their entire LIFETIME tenure.
Judging by the Boy King's picks so far, it would probably be a black lesbian who also hates everything traditionally American.

See, every DAY that Barry Boy occupies the White House, the America we know and love dies a little more. How do think we will recover the TRILLIONS of dollars that Barry is GIVING AWAY to his friends and our enemies? Already, we hear that those TRILLIONS cannot be accounted for...can you Bernie Madoff? Except Barry Boy is scamming YOU!!! Have you ever noticed that all banana republic tyrants, like Barry, become fabulously rich on money they seize which "cannot be accounted for"?

Can we allow him to seat even ONE Supreme Court justice before we remove him?

Reply to Zenmaster 66
You forgot one thing when you said Barry sucks as president and an American.

You forgot to say that he sucks as a human being.
He is a Narcissist and a baby killer and it is my personal belief that he was not elected but ushered in to the presidency by fraudulent
voting practices.

Those who did vote for him have no cognitive abilities at all and the abilities that they do possess are skewed.

He will go down in infamy.

Cynthia

DEM now means Demon.
I was always a Republican--but now in the era of blurred lines between the "parties" I think I'm either a Constitution Party or an Independant of some other ilk...
Are we mad enough to DO something except sing to the choir like we're doing here?
Have you sent in your contribution for a "where's the birth certificate" billboard in YOUR area yet? Have you written SCOTUS over and over (as I have) to demand that they actually HEAR at least ONE of the dozens of lawsuits??
WHEN are you going to get mad enough? When the country is already dead as we knew it?

Remember Our Fallen Soldiers

History will record that the American Soldier and those American Soldiers who have fallen, rank in the greatest humans who have ever lived on this planet.

The American Soldier have freed millions in bondage and defended the freedom of America with willingness of the ultimate sacrifice.

The Fallen American Soldier is someone who walked the hero's path. Someone who walked into the heart of darkness for Duty, Honor and Country.

The American Soldier waits for the day that they have lived for and trained for their entire life - to defend until death, their families and America, its citizens and freedom.

The American soldier is the fiercest Warrior ever in history, because their mission is the defense of family, neighbors, America and freedom.

The families of the American Soldier, while their faces beamed with pride, their hearts were filled with anxiety and tears as they watched their American Soldier leave to defend them and this Great Country.

Families and neighbors look with horror as the military vehicle stops in front of the home of the American Soldier, to inform them of the ultimate sacrifice of their hero.

No honor can be too great; every tribute is too small for the Fallen American Soldier and their families.

God Bless the American Soldier and their families!

Remember the American Woman

The world was fighting for its life during World War II.

Madmen had declared War against humanity and were intent on destroying freedom and any man, woman or child that stood in the way.

Most women were homemakers and few knew how to work in factories and weld and create tanks and armaments.

Their husbands, fathers, brothers and neighbors were fighting this evil and many were dying everyday.

These soldiers needed supplies and equipment and almost every able bodied man was in another land fighting for all they held dear.

Women by the millions, volunteered to work and make the equipment and supplies that were so desperately needed.

Women had to work hard and learn fast to save their men.

Women had to manage long exhausting hours and still take care of the family.

Women like Sarah Palin, took charge and scrimped and did without, with little thought for themselves.

When American women have a cause like saving country, family and children they are a formidable force to be reckoned with - 'Rabid Liberals' and others it isn't very smart to attack the 'Real American Woman'.

God Bless the American Woman!

Remember the American Warrior

The American Warrior is someone who is walking the hero's path. Someone who can walk into the heart of darkness for Duty, Honor and Country.

The American Warrior is someone who frightens many people, because those people live in denial of reality, the American Warrior reminds those people that violence exists in the world.

The American Warrior has the capacity for violence towards those who threaten America and the American way of life.

The American Warrior is a constant reminder that there are terrorists in the land and those that wish to destroy America are already here on American soil.

The American Warrior on September 11, 2001, rushed towards the danger instead of fleeing from it, intent on defending and helping those American citizens in danger.

Many American Warriors gave their lives that day and many more were willing to give the ultimate sacrifice for America and its citizens.

Most Americans are glad that they were not on the planes that crashed into the WTC and the Pentagon - the American Warrior wished they had been on those planes because they might have made a difference.

American Warriors were on United Airlines Flight 93 and defended unto death America and its citizens with the cry "lets roll".

The American Warrior waits for the day that they have lived for and trained for their entire life - to defend until death, America and its citizens.

"There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men." - Edmund Burke

I salute the American Warrior, both living and dead. Men and women who serve in the Armed Forces, Police Forces, Fire Departments and ordinary civilians who rush forward to our defense instead of running from danger.


The SOLDIER: - By Charles M. Province

It is the SOLDIER, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of the press.

It is the SOLDIER, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech.

If you can read this message thank a teacher,

If you are reading it in English of your own free will THANK A SOLDIER!

It is the SOLDIER, not the campus organizer, who has given us the freedom to demonstrate.

It is the SOLDIER, not the lawyer, who has given us the right to a fair trial.

It is the SOLDIER, who salutes the flag, who serves under the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag.

To all the brave men and women who have dedicated or given their lives to protecting this country and it's freedoms:

Thank you.

A Female American Warrior

The American Warrior was at her Church when she heard gunfire.

Drawing her weapon she entered a hallway filled with evil and darkness.

She determined that her fellow worshipers would not die that day.

With icy bravery and nerves of steel, she stood her ground with a single weapon and destroyed evil that had multiple weapons and a 1000 rounds of ammunition.

The American Warrior waits for the day that they have lived for and trained for their entire life - to defend until death, her family, her friends, her country and its citizens.


the messiah as committed commie
and still the trolls insist he has a vision that all of america should unite behind

But who are his real supporters/

Parasites who suck the life out of a society

Unions and their lust for power over the workers and to bleed the companies they work for

And the leftist elitists who demand people are that stupid they need someone to make their choices for them

And now we have a commie more concerned about how soon he can gin up enough crisis where the losers demand he be made dictator for life

And a hapless msm more intent on worshipping the rock star they created rather than look at the damage he is doing to the country

obama and the law

The man is willing to condemn Bush and Cheney as people who ignored the law.
This guy, obama, will violate every law, lie as often as is required, cheat whenever possible, all in the name of unions, socialism, power and himself.
He has in the Senate and the House people who like himself have NO moral base, cannot read proposed laws and believe the American people a just idiots. Consider, a fellow traveler of obama,s named Waxman. Waxman gets a speed reader to read a proposed law and he laughs at the citizens of America. How disgusting.

collectivism v individual rights
Great article!!

If there were any doubts about Obama's collectivist mindset, they were dispelled when he told Joe the Plumber, "I just think we're all better off when we spread the wealth around."

Obama is NOW on the raod to Collectivism
GEEEEZE LOUISSEEEZZZ -
H
OBAMA TOLD EVERYONE WHAT HE WOULD DO - HE WAS A MEMBER OF the NEW PARTY AND ACORN - WAKE UP, AMERICA!


Obama presidency summed up in two sentences
Vasko Kohlmayer
A well-put summary of Obama's presidency from Heritage:

By cloaking his domestic agenda in terms of economic recovery, President Obama and his team of liberals have been able to pass the largest spending bill in history, repeal welfare reform, set us on the course to socialized healthcare, advance a very costly energy policy, impose high costs on productive people, and enact unprecedented expansions of governmental power. Furthermore, by cutting the defense budget and ordering the closing of the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, the President demonstrates his complacency toward national security and undermines our ability

"Fascism should rightly be called Corporatism, as it is the merger of corporate and government power." Benito Mussolini to respond to future attacks.

I DESPISE OBAMA! WAKE UP, AMERICA!

This entire thread
is the only thing that conservatives have left - paranoia, impotence, feeble-minded moaning,-
all side effects of Obama Derangement Syndrom.

OBDS is curable with a healthy dose of education, a little aspirin, a vacation from the TH echo chambers,and the willingness to say "I can do it, I can do it" the next time you feel yourselves about to collapse into a hate spiral.

fred
And yet you offer no defense for the charges of collectivism brought forth by Austin Hill. You don't mention the article or interact with it on any level.

Not feeling up to defending this communist?

Collectivists think it is Noble

Collectivists hold their view as something higher than self and their 'Sacrifice is for the Common Good', so it becomes a 'Noble Goal' of bringing 'Hope' and social justice to the least among us.

Most, if not all Collectivists have made this 'Noble Goal' their higher power and see Individualists as mean-spirited, bigoted, intolerant and the antithesis of their higher power.

Collectivists have an almost religious zeal and commitment to their 'Noble Goal' and revile and loathe Capitalism almost like it is Lucifer - some are actually embarrassed by individual achievement and the success of America.

Collectivists pay little attention to facts and reality because their reality is looking forward to the Utopia they are working to build.

When debating Collectivists you will notice that most regard their leaders with the adoration usually reserved for the 'Messiah' or highly revered religious leaders.

This has become readily apparent with Barack Obama but was present with FDR, Kennedy, Carter and Bill Clinton.

Individualists discuss and point out problems they have with their leaders, Collectivists defend their leaders, despite any readily obvious faults and blunders, almost to insanity.


These are my views on Collectivism and what Barack Obama is bringing to America.

Coercion the tool of Collectivism 1

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among men." United States Declaration of Independence

The debate between Collectivists and Idividualists revolve around whether or not one possesses these rights at birth, as an American Citizen, or are granted by the government, whether the rights are intrinsic to his being or extrinsic by fiat of government. The individualist believes that the purpose of government is secure and protect these rights, not grant these rights.

The Founding Fathers were critical of Democracy and recognized that a Democracy was dangerous, so the Founding Fathers created a Constitutional Republic, or rule of law. The basic difference between Collectivism and Individualism is the difference between a Democracy and a Republic. Republics are simply limited Democracies placing limits on what the majority can or cannot do.

Collectivists realize that Marxism, Socialism and other forms of Collectivism cannot and will NOT work unless all participate.

continued in Coercion 2

Coercion the tool of Collectivism 2

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Coercion becomes the dynamic between Collectivism and Individualism.

Communism presents the most extreme coercion, demanding that all who do not participate be eliminated, either by expulsion or death. Over 100,000,000 have died either by starvation or murder in order to 'Coerce' the individual to participate in the Collective. This presents one with the first evidence that something is really wrong with the Collective systems of government.

The Collectivists tell us that their system of Government, is the best possible way of creating a Utopia for all of us. They will not only save humanity, but grant us the economic equalization that is sorely needed and they are willing to kill large segments of society in order to save us. This clearly illustrates the insanity of those who wish to impose their Collectivist will on the freedom of the individual. This is the 'Collective Salvation' promised by Barack Obama to 'Sacrifice for the Common Good'.

Rationalizations for a Noble Cause.

Rationalization is the mortal enemy of facts, logic and reason. Rationalizations are in ‘simple’ terms, a defense mechanism that attempts to explain bad decisions or behavior in a rational logical manner.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his work."

Collectivists relegate all morals, ethics and justice to economic equality and re-distribution of wealth. Collectivists believe that their system will bring complete equality for all racially and nationally oppressed. Anti-Semitism, sexism, anti-immigrant discrimination and they believe all forms of prejudice and bigotry will be eliminated by collectivism.

continued in Coercion 3

Coercion the tool of Collectivism Final

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Collectivists would expand Affirmative Action because they believe that a Capitalistic society profits from racism and sexism.

Collectivists hold their view as something higher than self and their 'Sacrifice is for the Common Good', so it becomes a 'Noble Goal' of bringing 'Hope' and social justice to the least among us.

Most, if not all Collectivists have made this 'Noble Goal' their higher power and see Individualists as mean-spirited, bigoted, intolerant and the antithesis of their higher power.

Collectivists have an almost religious zeal and commitment to their 'Noble Goal' and revile and loathe Capitalism almost like it is Lucifer - some are actually embarrassed by individual achievement and the success of America. Collectivists pay little attention to facts and reality because their reality is looking forward to the Utopia they are working to build.

When debating Collectivists you will notice that most regard their leaders with the adoration usually reserved for the 'Messiah' or highly revered religious leaders. This has become readily apparent with Barack Obama but was present with FDR, Kennedy, Carter and Bill Clinton.

Individualists discuss and point out problems they have with their leaders, Collectivists defend their leaders, despite any readily obvious faults and blunders, almost to insanity.


These are my views on Collectivism and what is coming to America.

Fred - IL
Funny!

I have to laugh every time I see a liberal use "Obama derangement syndrome".

Liberals can never come up with original thought, they must project, parrot and plagiarize (as the NY Times author did recently) to "belong" to their party.

Fred was a good example of liberal collective thought control. They are collective in every aspect.



Oh, Retired Geek
I'll bet you're just tons of fun on a date.

Socialism is One Form of Collectivism

More humans have been killed, tortured, starved to death than all Wars combined - all by Socialists/Marxists like Barack Obama.

Quotes from some of the most well known Collectivists.

Comrades! We must abolish the cult of the individual decisively, once and for all." -- Soviet Premier Nikita S. Khrushchev, addressing the 20th Congress of the Soviet Communist Party, 2-25-56

"The unity of a nation's spirit and will are worth far more than the freedom of the spirit and will of an individual; and that the higher interests involved in the life of the whole must here set the limits and lay down the duties of the interests of the individual." -- Adolph Hitler - Socialist

"We need to stop worrying about the rights of the individual and start worrying about what is best for society." -- Hillary Clinton

"...we understand only the individual's capacity to make sacrifices for the community, for his fellow men." -- Adolf Hitler, Socialist 10-7-33

"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." -- Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, June 28, 2004.

"To be a socialist is to submit the I to the thou; socialism is sacrificing the individual to the whole." -- Joseph Goebbels, Minister of Propaganda, National Socialist German Workers' ("Nazi") Party

"...true patriotism also means a willingness to sacrifice for our common good..."
Barack Obama July 6, 2008

fred the fool
seems like another loser from acorn is again pointing out the traits of the losers whop fuly support the messiah.

That 62 million oafs voted for a fool they new nothing about points out how lost the left remains when it comes to the voting for unqualified candidates

So point out fed the fool where is your poroof the messiah stands for anything but himself. Where is the proof that he has any leadership skills

And where is this great administrative experience that shows he has actual leadership skills.

But what we see is an empty suited narcissistic loser, who can't stand to be criticized and can't admit to any error.

But we saw the man/boy posing as president while at the graduation ceremonies at the naval academy. The immature poser greets the graduates with chest bumps and fist knocks.

And still the brainless are enthralled with this clueless and hapless clown more intent on destroying the country than in finding any solution that doesn't allow him to reward the unions and other corrupt groups like acorn

"LET ME BE VERY CLEAR"
is the begining of many speeches by Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi. After that statement is uttered by them, everything else spoken will be a lie.

Impeachment should be on the table for both of these liars and thieves.

Fred from IL

I have been happily married to the same 'Gorgeous Southern Bell' for 43 years, who still turns my head whenever she enters the room.

I don't date anyone but her.

Perhaps Perez Hilton would give you a 'Fun Date'.



reba
good observation. Yes, we know to expect obfuscation and deception when Obama starts his speech with, "Let me be perfectly clear."

Also, we know to expect a dramatic reversal in position when Obama starts with, "As I said before..."

For Jo
Fred talks about "OBDS" and then says one of the cures for it education.

If Fred's education is so superior to ours how come he abbreviates "Obama Derangement Syndrome" as OBDS instead of OBS?

So much for liberal theories on the superiority of their education. In a liberal education it's OK to write OBDS instead of OBS because it's the intent that matters, just like it's OK to prolong the recession and even turn it into a depression because the intention is to make things better for the poor.

That fact that when Obama is done the poor, like everyone else, will be even worse off than when he started doesn't matter to an "educated" liberal like Fred. The only thing that matters id that the Democrats control the country, and the more control they have the better Fred likes it.

Shades of the Borg
Every time I read the word collectivism as it relates to Barack Obama, I can't help but associate it with the evil empire, the Borg, from the Star Trek series. As it was with the Borg, Obama wants us all in the "collective" and if he has his way, we will be assimilated.

A silly analogy perhaps but if you pay close attention to Obama’s actions with respect to his dictatorial approach to first our financial structure, major corporations and soon to follow health and energy he is assimilating industry. Are we next?

"Irreconcilable"

Obama "said that the differences that we have on abortion -- namely the Catholic Church's staunch opposition to abortion and his staunch support of abortion were 'irreconcilable.'"

"And at that moment, it would seem to me that the dialogue came to a screeching halt."

Bishop Robert Finn

Retired Geek
So good that you are a loving and faithful spouse. I daresay, knowing you as I do, (HAHA) that if your wife no longer turned your head, you would still love, honor, and cherish her.

Thanks for furnishing those quotes. I saved them. One of my favorite quotes, albeit low-brow compared to yours: The egotistic NBA basketball star who fails to credit his team with the victory is chastized by a sports commentator with the reminder, "There is no 'I' in T-E-A-M." He retorts, "Ain't no 'WE' neither."

Obama and Pelosi learned well

“All propaganda has to be popular and has to accommodate itself to the comprehension of the least intelligent of those whom it seeks to reach.”
— Adolf Hitler

Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi aren't trying to deceive those of us who think - only their Liberal followers.

Sports commercial
I think I misrepresented the TV commercial. I think I misstated the circumstances in which the egocentric NBA star is chastized by the sports interviewer: The player blamed the LOSS on his team members, while taking no responsibility himself. The distinction is important, because as a star player who scored most of the points and who values excellence, he doesn't want to be lumped in "collectively" with a bunch of losers.

Neither do I.

Sheik Hussein Obama.....
We can all calling Barry-boy names, I certainly do and enjoy it, for I have nothing but contempt for BHO - man of questionable allegiance, shoddy philosophy and a history of hanging around with anarchists, communists, militant moooslims, etc. A man who has gone out of his way to criticize and insult our country several times, even overseas.

But as his core, Sheik Hussein Obama is a far left liberal, a statist, a collectivist, a socialist, a Marxist. Take your pick at whatever name you are more comfortable with, for they all mean about the same thing.

Our Pretentious Pontificator in Chief is a planned economy Utopian. His plans with fail and our economoy (as our defenses) will weaken and go down. The only question is how long until someone comes along who will openly challenge Oprah's Boy and win. Cheney may have taken the first few steps but much more is needed.




Stilla et al

Stilla wrote: "... if your wife no longer turned your head, you would still love, honor, and cherish her..."

That is a correct statement - however she is 'Drop Dead Gorgeous', at least in my eyes.

collectivism
There's no "I" in Obama's Team.

Ain't no "WE" neither.

Wiseone
That fact that when Obama is done the poor, like everyone else, will be even worse off than when he started doesn't matter to an "educated" liberal like Fred. wiseone

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It is maddening and ironic that they blindly vote in their further demise.

Worse no matter how many times you prove it to them, they ignore truth.

Yuri Benzmenov a Russian defector explains on youtube psychological subversion and it's use in the USA. Combine him with Alyinsky (Rules for Radicals), Ayers weather underground hand book (Prairie Fire) and Obamas own books -- it's an eye opener.

Fred in IL
What we conservatives "hate" is to see our country damaged, perhaps beyond repair, by the greatest fraud in history. We lament that this nation, which has been the envy of the world until 20 Jan 2009, and for whom countless brave and patriotic men and women have given their very lives to protect, is now being intentionally and systematically destroyed by a Kenyan Muslim usurper who is not even a US citizen. I assure you though, Fred, Obama will be defeated, and soon...because there are to many freedom-loving Americans remaining out here to allow this travesty to continue much longer.

Our Trickster Prez
Thinking the Unthinkable.


Re: Obama's books
I noticed in the campaign that it was the right, not the left, that was encouraging voters to read Obama's books.

If I was a candidate and genuinelyproud of what I had wriitten my campaign would be passing copies out like candy at Christmas.

I guess one advantage a lying liberal "salt" like Obama has is that so much of his "constituency" is functionally illiterate.

The Bottom Line
The Chrysler deal was constructed as it was for one reason only. That is payback to the UAW for its support during the campaign. The union got 55% of the common stock, while secured creditors creditors got dumped on. BTW, the union has SO much confidence in their ability to run the company that they announced that they would sell that stock.

Marxist Conflict Theory Drives Obama 1

The current Democrat-led "change" is a product of Marxist social "Conflict Theory" taught in liberal arts colleges of America as a means of instituting "social justice" in what is viewed as an oppressive capitalist form of government, which espouses that the structure of our form of government, itself, is what is at the root of human oppression and must necessarily be "changed" to allow for "social equality." Barack Hussein Obama is the "Trojan Horse" candidate the one world socialist oligarchs chose, precisely because of his indoctrination and belief in this philosophy, to use his "charm" and "appearance", and so forth, to institute it.

Largely, because of his ability to charm the masses of ignorant and celebrity-loving/worshipping spoiled Americans who after being primed by a conspiratorial mainstream media for the past 6 or 7 years of the Bush administration into a frenzy of hatred for Bush, the war in Iraq, Christianity/morality, and personal responsibility, were ready for "change" and "hope" .

All this coupled with a sense that conservatism was a party-pooper, in the sense that those who held up tradition and morality were a drag on their rights to party down 24-7--"be as gay and freaky as you wanna be; don't want nobody telling me that it's wrong to have same sex sex or dispense with my unwanted pregnancies--ooh, you're so passe'--then there's that damn Bible...and Jesus...and all that...man, I just want to be free...."

Like it or not, they voted for "change"...and "change" is what they got. Only, I'm not sure they understood what that "change" would be.

Marxist Conflict Theory Drives Obama 2

The overwhelming majority of, once, traditional Democrats have little or no knowledge of the philosophies of the people they have been duped into unleashing upon America and it's free-market system. Whipped up in a frenzy of hatred for any and all moral underpinnings of our society, they were tricked under the slogan of "Change" to unwittingly elect a Marxist administration in the purest sense of the word.

Our liberal arts colleges and universities, aided by such individuals as William Ayers, Bernadine Dohrn and others of their ilk, have been indoctrinating our sons and daughters into policies which constantly bombard them with the notion of the failure to attain success in a capitalist society, such as ours, as to have nothing to do with the individual's poor choices and failure to avail his or herself of the opportunities that freedom and free-market capitalism only makes possible; but that the free-market competitive system of governance, itself, is structured in such a way as to cheat them of the lifestyle to which they are entitled.

This entitlement mentality has been carefully nurtured and tested, first with the black community over the past 40+ years, and has proven to be effective in coercing an entire segment of the population [black people] to accept this notion of themselves as victims of a structural barrier to their ever having a chance to become unghettoized under their own volition and without the largess of the Democrat Party system of a social welfare state.

Amen Austin
Obama interfering with the contract rights of secured creditors to the betterment of his rabid union supporters should be at the forefront of the Repubs list of grievances about the prez.

Are the Republicans so afraid of being called pro rich that they can not or will not stand up against the lawlessness of the new messiah? The losses of everday Americans, as highlighted by Hill, when Obama gives unwarranted goodies to his union pals should be a prime topic for every Republican. Where are McConnell and Boehner on this question? Where is Steele?




Marxist Conflict Theory Drives Obama 3

Building upon the success of this experiment in population control and political power, the Democrats took it to the next level in 2007-2008 by elevating what they knew was a community organizer schooled in the Marxist social philosophy of Conflict Theory, to unleash their goal of the destruction of capitalism in the U.S. and to insure the ascension of a Democrat-run socialist-collectivist government-as-god type of new world order.

Sound far-fetched?

If it does, it was meant to.
That is why Barack Obama's origins in Marxist social indoctrination was carefully hidden with the collusion of the Democrat-elite MSM throughout the entire election cycle.

I am currently working as a Senior at a university in downstate Illinois seeking a BSW in Social Work, precisely for the purpose of being in a position to battle the beast from within it's own camp. This is where the battle for the hearts and minds of American youth is being fought.

One of the textbooks we are studying, "Human Behavior and the Social Environment, Macro Level, by Katherine van Wormer, Fred H. Besthorn, and Thomas Keefe (2007), in describing the "highly-regarded" social work theory of "Conflict" [of which BHO is obviously an adherent] the authors state:

"Conflict theorists Piven and Cloward (1993) utilized the functionalist analysis method borrowed from Merton (1957) to enhance our understanding of how the social welfare system serves as a societal device for "regulating the poor" in the interest of capitalism. The latent function of social services, from this perspective, thus becomes to preserve the establishment. Piven and Cloward's basic premise, based on their review of social change throughout U.S. history, was that "relief arrangements are initiated or expanded during outbreaks of civil disorder produced by mass unemployment and are then abolished or contracted when political stability is restored" (p.xv).

Marxist Conflict Theory Drives Obama 4

In other words, the elites in society can be counted on to provide only enough aid, stigmatized at that, to prevent mass disorder and regulate labor.

(Despite their use of functional analysis, Piven and Cloward's perspectives are far more closely aligned ideologically with Marxism than with Parson's functionalist writings.)"

"Payne (2005) refers to conflict theory as radical and socialist-collectivist. Feminist, empowerment, and antioppressive perspectives are included under the rubric of radical, as well as the structuralist, approaches. We discuss the structuralist approach here because it places a strong emphasis on economic and social equality among people."

"These structuralist approaches, so called because the source of social problems is located in the social structure rather than in the individual, were inspired by the radical thinking of the 1970s, but their influence waned, as Payne speculates, with the collapse of communism in the 1980s. Along with the neo-conservatism of modern times and the concordant erosion of the welfare state, there is a renewed interest within social work in effecting social change."

"Structural social work is associated today with and best articulated through the writings of Canadian social work theorist Bob Mullaly...Much like his predecessors, Mullaly (1997), in his book "Structural Social Work," espouses a conflict-oriented view of society and recognizes that one's circumstances and difficulties are connected to one's economic and social position in society (Lundy, 2005). "Structural Social Work" is described by Payne as the major statement of Marxist social work."

Marxist Conflict Theory Drives Obama 5

"Mullaly's (1997, 2002) vision of social work practice is that it must be anticapitalist. If as social workers we do nothing to bring about progressive radical change, we fail the people we serve; we become part of the problem instead of the solution."
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This should give you a better understanding of what "progressive" liberals in today's Socialist-Democrat Party, under an Obama administration, are trying to implement in the United States as we speak.

You see, under their adherence to these types of theories [Marxist to their core] they have as their belief, that capitalism is bad, and Marxism is the solution.

There, fortunately, are other theories being taught which are just the opposite, but this is what is being bought into by the Democrats in our society who proudly define themselves these days as "progressives."

However, this Marxists Conflict perspective is being taught, now, as the dominant philosophy in our nation’s universities, especially in departments of social work, psychology, philosophy, and sociology.

It is not limited to these disciplines either.

Children are now, thanks to the influence of Mulally and William Ayers, who is being allowed to oversee the curriculum of our public schools systems as an unrepentant Marxist-liberationist declared enemy of capitalism and the American style of economic system.

When you realize just how pervasive Marxist ideology has been slowly used to indoctrinate our schools, you will be able to better put into context the comments of so-called university professors, like Dr. Douglas, who are completely sold, along with their professional disciplines, on the welfare state.

Thus, their fanatical support for Barack Hussein Obama, a fellow believer.

Marxism 101--Obama style.

Gonna borrow this quote

Retired Geek posted.

“All propaganda has to be popular and has to accommodate itself to the comprehension of the least intelligent of those whom it seeks to reach.”
— Adolf Hitler
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Ignorance is the power of all Politicians, and to appeal to ignorant masses is why we hear them say really stupid things.

They do not care if they appear stupid to the intelligent real people as they know their own power base is all that matters to retain power over the unlearned among men.

Ignorance is extremely powerful as it works in the darkness of the uninformed minds and appears to be the right path to follow as in using such words as "hope" and "change"

Those are magic words for all men if he is unhappy in his own affairs.

I never seen a more unhappy America than today

conservatives
man are you folks gonna make it through obama's 2 terms? take a chill pill and relax.its gonna be just fine. al franken is heading for the senate. after obama's 8 years you guys can count on 8 more from hillary. so sit back and enjoy it. you all are going to learn to love the democratic party.

Liberal Societies Feed on Marxism 1

Again, one of the textbooks we are studying, "Human Behavior and the Social Environment, Macro Level, by Katherine van Wormer, Fred H. Besthorn, and Thomas Keefe (2007), in describing the "highly-regarded" social work theory of "Conflict" [of which BHO is obviously an adherent] the authors state:

"Conflict theorists Piven and Cloward (1993) utilized the functionalist analysis method borrowed from Merton (1957) to enhance our understanding of how the social welfare system serves as a societal device for "regulating the poor" in the interest of capitalism. The latent function of social services, from this perspective, thus becomes to preserve the establishment. Piven and Cloward's basic premise, based on their review of social change throughout U.S. history, was that "relief arrangements are initiated or expanded during outbreaks of civil disorder produced by mass unemployment and are then abolished or contracted when political stability is restored" (p.xv).”

Herein lies the rationale for the purposeful destruction being initiated by the current Obama administration as we speak. The purposeful creation of an atmosphere of economic meltdown . People wonder, “How can this administration be so stupid as to think their policies will not bankrupt the auto industry, lead to massive layoffs, drive up costs of doing business, and create hardship and loss of security for the middle class? Are they so stupid they don’t know this will be the result of their policies?”

The answer is no. Their belief is that without mass unemployment, no social change can be forced to support a welfare state. Where fatal flaw in their presumptuous philosophy is, is in the assumption that a welfare state is the way to affect positive “social change.”

Liberal Societies Feed on Marxism 2

If welfare programs are contracted or abolished in times of low unemployment and political stability it is precisely because these services are not as much in demand because the people are gainfully employed and, thus, do not require as much welfare! They are aware of this. “Then,” you may ask, “what is their motive in fighting such obvious prosperity?”

Because THEY wouldn't be needed!

The fields of social work, community organizing, politics, psychology, and other so-called “helping professions” have become less interested in “social justice” as they are in feeding on the misery of the culture of victimhood and the underclass they require to legitimize their continued existence as viable professions!

The LAST thing a social worker or politician wants to realize is a depletion of the number of “victims” by which to justify their continued existence.

As ghoulish as it may seem, social work(community organizing) and psychology programs thrive on the misery of masses of “victims.”

"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste, and what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things that you didn't think you could do before." -Rahm Emanuel, Obama Chief-of-Staff, Nov.21,2008


Obama’s policies will not only serve the purpose of allowing him to buy votes with replacing self-sufficiency with Obama and Democrat-run welfare largess; thus, requiring the ignorant masses of suffering minions to keep him in power once they become addicted to his handouts; it will also provide a steady flow of clients for social workers and the training that universities provide.

This is why Social Work programs, and the university system, is firmly committed to the Democrat Party…they know which side their bread is buttered on!

Liberal societies feed on Marxist ideology…it is necessary for their continued existence.
They are totally invested in the “welfare state” for their funding and it is their raison d’etre’.

Politicians’ Cognitive Abilities
“Ignorance is the power of all Politicians, and to appeal to ignorant masses is why we hear them say really stupid things.”

Maybe so, talent scout. But it does not disprove the proposition that many, maybe even most politicians are actually really stupid.

You're right
gxm writes:- 1:43 PM EST
Politicians’ Cognitive Abilities


“Ignorance is the power of all Politicians, and to appeal to ignorant masses is why we hear them say really stupid things.”

Maybe so, talent scout. But it does not disprove the proposition that many, maybe even most politicians are actually really stupid.
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Everyone of us is given the same human body basics.
Mind, heart, lungs etc.
Then we are all given an awesome power of choice, extremely powerful as it makes us who we are, or become.

Men like Hitler was perceived to be a genius, and he was not stupid.

So why did he do stupid things?
It was his choice for himself and the nation of Germany after gaining power through politics.

He did not get that power over Germany by his kindness or gentleness, or honesty.
His path to power was politics.

So, we can see being smart is not a solution in itself, but smart choices is the only thing that matters.

Hitler made stupid choices trying to be smart from an ego driven passion of his own self love and importance.

An honest dumb man is much smarter than any lying smart politician

His Ideals needs to FAIL
Being Memorial Weekend, American's that have sacrificed so much as well as their Grandparents and Parents to give America the freedoms we have , need to make our voices heard and we need to wake up those that don't realize what our worthless Politicans are trying to take away from us, Do you really want our Gov't to dictate to us what we can or can't do. This President is selling you a false bill of goods. You have been suckered by a no good , lying typical salesman, He is trying to sell us out behind our backs. Those of you that like being suckered have no true Patriotism for our country. There are changes that need to be done, but not his. We The People need to Wake Up to reality and We The People make the true changes that need to be done and not our Polticans and their Lobby, Special Interest Groups and Major Corps. This is OUR COUNTRY not our Gov'ts.WAKE UP AMERICA !!!!!!

Various
Mr. Hill: The federal government has thrown money at Chrysler only to let it go bankrupt anyway. Having screwed the taxpayers, it is trying hard to screw Chrysler's creditors. It has bribed foreigners to buy what remains of the company, and before long it will bribe them again to produce unsalable green vehicles. In what sense has the government "saved" Chrysler?

Talent Scout: "This is crime and is unacceptable from a President as much as it is for anyone else."

A crime of this enormity is beyond anyone else. Only a president could commit it.

Tea Party: "Thug is an apt description, but have you ever in your life seen the level of arrogant corruption that's been displayed by this person occupying the White House, his W.H. cabal, and the DemonRAT Congress."

I wasn't alive during the administration of Woodrow Wilson or Franklin Roosevelt, though I gather that each was worse in his own fashion. I do recall Nixon and Clinton, however, and they certainly stank on ice. But this punk has been in office barely four months. At the rate he and his cronies are going, this administration will be the worst of all, and it may be the last.

Anne: Thank you for posting "The Soldier."

OncealwaysaMarine, Joel-De Opresso Liber, JAG CA, and all other veterans: Thank you for your service, and God bless you.

It may sound tacky
but I can't help but feel this is poetic justice.

I don't know about cops, but teachers and in particular the teacher's unions, have been notoriously left politically speaking. No doubt 99% of these teachers about to be screwed out of their savings voted for Obama.

They are going to get a good strong dose of what liberalism is all about. Not so tasty when you are on the "giving" end of this forced compassion is it, teachrs?

Germany has never been known
For producing ignorant or dumb people.
Best Engineers (for instance) in the world have come from the German race.

Very productive people in every field of endeavor.

How could such a very small man like Adolf Hitler manage to fool such a great nation of people?

The same way America is being fooled today with Barry Soetoro

Barry's Command & Control Economy....
B. Hussein is a Utopian, to the Nth degree. He anti-business, anti-market, anti-growth. Why?

Well firstly because he does have socialist/Marxist leanings and secondly because he buys into the exaggerated hype of global warming. Thus his two philosophical tendencies coincide and complement each other nicely.

However, his "green" philosophy will get him into trouble, economically for the only way out of our deep recession is through economic growth and that means this:

Produce energy domestically
- drill for oil; refine oil
- build nuclear power plants
- build coal burning plants
- build natural gas burning plants (we found a HUGE natural gas reserve in Louisana last year if I'm not mistaken)

- continue developing wind and solar, although Hussein's goal of doubling these energy producers would only take us from currently about 1% to ultimately 2%. Wow big deal Barry!

All are important but oil is the most important. Obama will be in big trouble as long as he refuses to produce energy domestically.

What did that attractive lady from Alaska have to say about drilling for oil.....?

Barry Soetoro has contempt for the USA
He despises every principle this nation is Founded in and built it what it is today.

Basic fact of understanding is how all liars do not feel any compassion for another human being who is stupid enough to believe his lies.

He holds them as beneath himself, and mocks their ignorance behind their backs.

Its impossible for a liar to respect anyone he knows is dumb.

Showing how dumb he is in believing the liars lies.

The contempt he is filled with then cannot be expressed against the ones he really has contempt for, so he expresses this contempt for America and patriot Americans.

This is why Barry Soetoro will bow before the tyrants around the world like the king of Saudi Arabia, Chavez and Castro, and hold men like GW Bush or Cheney and Rush Limbaugh etc in an expressed contempt.

He is a contempteous small little man elevated to a station way above his capacity to handle.

He is out of his league in the WH and is paid well over the minimum wage he deserves

THIS "CHANGE" MAYBE A FAILED AMERICA!
Not calling Obama a communist or left leaning socialist is to Mr. Hill's credit and the position he has stated in this editorial is frightening and accurate. As the "American Vet" so well stated, this is OUR COUNTRY and our country was not founded with Stalinist collectives or one man's takeover of major corporations. Our government, by constitutional law, does not have this right. The blinded belief in the "Messiah" and his promises of change have been so misrepresented and convoluted that Americans may be hard pressed to dig out from under all the laws Reid, Pelosi and our controlling Democrats are instituting in one huge RUSH to CHANGE this great country. Pray for 2010, vote with the most knowledge you can gain and stop this destruction. Thank you Mr. Hill for great insight.

We Must Produce More Domestically
In order to re-capture the USA's economic power, we must produce more "stuff" domestically.

One quick and easy way is to produce more energy domestically - oil, nuclear, natural gas, coal as well as wind and solar but wind and solar are minor, minor players. We will be using oil, natural gas and coal for decades to come.

Doing the above will not only lower the price of energy, lessen our dependence on foreign powers but also create quite a few good jobs here in our nation.

Obama collectivism
A brief reading of Saul Alinsky, especially his interview with Playboy magazine 1972, will convince anyone of the source of Obama's philosophy and alarm anyone who has conservative roots! The president is Alinsky writ large and fulfilling the dream of community activism ordering the "middle class". The humanist hierarchy that says my need for food supersedes your need for profit is the new foundation of American government!

Instead of cutting government......
Instead of lowering taxes for all (firms and individuals), cutting the size of government, cutting govt. spending, which would spur economic growth, Chairman MaO-bama is forging ahead with his centrally planned economy.

I can see the future.....

Stagflation is in our near future. Inflation, high interest rates, high unemployment, anemic growth and the government making most of the decisions in your life - which doctor to see, which car you can buy, what temperature your thermostat is set at.

star trek: the wrath of khan
"the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. or the one." spock.

Lipstick On A Pig
You can take the thug out of Chicago,but you can't take Chicago out of the thug. He was a petty criminal there. Theivery,racketeering,was on a small scale in Chicago.Now he's in the Big Time.

He can dress to the nines,eat $100 a pound beef,have all the trappings a White House Gig offers....he is still a criminal with a criminal mind.

roy the union thug
agains shows up to babble nonsense/

But since unions are little more thansocialists outreach programs where they exploit the owners of capital to reward the parasites who run the unions.

But unfortunately for america the unions have been successful in buying the messiah. They realized that with enough millions to flap ears coffers he would willingly become the union's b!tch, morte than willing to betray america to enrich the unions.

But since the union losers have no proven ability atr running anything it is only a question of time before the unions finally destroy chrysler and gm.

Their only ploy is to bleed as much money from company coffers into the union treasury, knowing the fool and lackey posing as president will continue to bail out the unions no matter how corrupt and inefficient they prove at running the car industry into total failure

thin argument, angry people
its disingenuous of mr. hill to claim concern for creditors' rights in this instance. is there anyone out there who seriously believes that but for the bailout plan, chrysler creditors will ever be collecting 100 cents on the dollar?
go ahead and argue that the government shouldn't be involved in the process, and that market forces should prevail, but don't suggest that such an approach will ultimately benefit creditors. their return will go from 29% to zero.
as to whether laws are being broken, bankruptcy laws have been used to modify contracts (most notably union contracts) for 120 years. constitutionally. in this situation the industry approached our elected representatives in hopes of a nonbankruptcy solution. creditors retain their constitutional rights to file court proceedings, including an involuntary bankruptcy.
i joined this site because of some interesting articles sent by a conservative friend, most of which i frankly disagreed with but found interesting. after reading this comment section i am concerned for the mental well being of many subscribers.
a final thought for some of the extremists out there. liberals and centrists are patriots too. we love our country. we will be celebrating memorial day with you tomorrow and honoring those who served and continue to serve this country. we love our families and our communities and we want whats best for all our citizens. we just disagree with you sometime. that doesnt make us evil, insane, stupid, the dupes of some massive conspiracy, or all of the above. the language and tone of these comments does not help to support your cause(s).
have a happy and blessed memorial day weekend.

Fred, IL

Under what Constitutional power does Obama have to slash GM's advertising budget by 50% while exploding the natonal debt to Twilight Zone levels and abrogating private contracts?

Marx, Lenin, Mussolini, Stalin, Mao and other collectivists have FAILED.

The EU averages a growth of 1.9% in GDP.

Socialized medicine equals rationing of healthcare, the denial of certain doctors, drugs, tests, and surgeries.


If you gave ANY money to ACORN, the SEIU, or any of the 400 interrelated "organized criminal activities", then your check was mailed to a former former parlor on Elysian Fields Avenue operating right here in the Banana Republic of New Orleans.

rowly
did you notice the child posing as president maintained the dignity he brings to the ofice of president.

He employed the teener or is that gangsta fist knock and chest bump to prove he is really one of the boys.

It is just amazing he hasn't yet resorted to the mosh pit to really get the yutes of america fired up he is one of them

Even the Brits see Obozo's folly!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfin ance/5374095/British-banks-revolt-against-Obama-tax-plan.ht ml

"British banks REVOLT against Obama tax plan
British banks and stockbrokers may refuse to take on American clients if new international tax proposals outlined by President Obama are passed.

"The decision, which would make it hard for Americans in London to open bank accounts and trade shares, is being discussed by executives at Britain's banks and brokers who say it could become too expensive to service American clients. The proposals, which were unveiled as part of the president's first budget, are designed to clamp-down on American tax evaders abroad. However bank bosses say they are being asked to take on the task of collecting American taxes at a cost and legal liability that are inexpedient. "

Cont.

So much for our credibility....

rich

Location: MI
Reply # 2
Date: May 24, 2009 - 4:11 PM EST thin argument, angry people
i joined this site because of some interesting articles sent by a conservative friend, most of which i frankly disagreed with but found interesting. after reading this comment section i am concerned for the mental well being of many subscribers.
a final thought for some of the extremists out there. liberals and centrists are patriots too. we love our country. we will be celebrating memorial day with you tomorrow and honoring those who served and continue to serve this country. we love our families and our communities and we want whats best for all our citizens. we just disagree with you sometime. that doesnt make us evil, insane, stupid, the dupes of some massive conspiracy, or all of the above. the language and tone of these comments does not help to support your cause(s).
have a happy and blessed memorial day weekend."
__________________________________________

I'm glad you are enjoying your Memorial Day weekend.

I'm also glad that you can enjoy joining this site, including the opportunity to leave "a final thought for some of the extremists out there" that you will have the benefit of its being read.

I've tried to "join" a few liberal sites, but was, within hours of joining, had my comments promptly removed and my membership revoked.

It's good to know that, at least on Conservative sites, both sides can have their comments posted without having those opinions that don't coincide with "progressive" correctness deleted and purged.

Welcome to TH. You'll find that extremist from either side of the political spectrum are sharing their opinions openly and freely here.

Which is more than I can say about the sites committed to the "progressive" "liberal" persuasion you are probably more comfortable with.

WHERE'S THE BIRTH
CERTIFICATE?

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Send $5 or $10 and help get rid of the ursurper king.

Could SOMEONE please explain why

banks with ASSETS OF ALMOST $1 BILLION should be closed by regulators???

"Two Illinois Banks Seized, Bringing U.S. Tally This Year to 36"

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=a42X g57jVTzM

"May 22 (Bloomberg) -- Two Illinois banks WITH COMBINED ASSETS OF ALMOST $1 BILLION were closed by regulators, pushing the toll of failed U.S. lenders to 36 this year amid the longest recession since the 1930s."

Cont...


Anyone who can't freakin' see what Obozo is doing is dumber than dirt!


A dose of sanity
Such a pleasure to come to this site for a daily dose of sanity. Nice to know I am not alone in my belief that Obama is not a "natural-born citizen" and therefore a usurper in the White House.

Our country is living in a nightmare. Each day I wonder what new trick Obama has up his sleeve to distroy us.



Ah Roy
Can't you just FEEL the intelligence when Roy, one of our resident trolls, advises us to "take a chill pill"? Methinks Roy takes too many pills already. He also advises us that Franken will be in the senate(what has this got to do with the article?) and that Obama will win a second term. Maybe it's Roy that needs to follow his own advice. I would be very surprised if Obumble made it thru his FIRST term. What this mental midget fails to realize is the power of the American people and what happens when that power is applied to sitting politicians. As proof I offer the refusal of the congress to go along with the messiah regarding WOT detainees. I predict Obumbles will be impreached for failing to do what he promised to do in his oath. That is to protect and defend the constitution of the United States. Nowhere in that oath did he pledge to protact and defend the United Auto Workers union, which he clearly has done by STEALING investor money and giving it to them as repayment for votes. He has however managed to perform an UNCONSTITUTIONAL ACT in his zest to repay his handlers.

A Gentle Reminder
I know that many of the conservatives on this site name Jesus as their Lord and Savior. I know that many liberals do also. Sometimes there's a new name like Rich of MI. I would hope that we could have a reasonable dialog.

Last week, I sent the link to my 'A Vet Looks at Barack Obama' to a friend of mine. He said that it was very well written, that writing might even be a calling of mine, but he disagreed with some of my logic. Yesterday morning, after the Bible study, he said that I was wrong to criticize Obama because of his associations.

That reminded me of Thomas Sowell's October 7th column 'The Real Obama' distinguishing between associates and allies.

'Obama could have allied himself with all sorts of other people. But, time and again, he allied himself with people who openly expressed their hatred of America. No amount of flags on his campaign platforms this election year can change that.'

I also want to give a special thanks to Tea Party 'Our strongest weapon against this evil is prayer, daily and hourly..and more than just a few prayer warriors or we are lost.'

and to Joel-De Oppresso Liber "We must reclaim the land that God gave our forefathers. We must reduce our govt to the levels permitted in the Constitution, which was inspired by God."

Dave Hunt in 'Beyond Seduction: The Return To Biblical Christianity' wrote of a prophecy in the Azusa street revival of 1906 in which it was said that "There will be an over-emphasis on power, rather than on righteousness; there will be an over-emphasis on praise, to a God they no longer pray to; there will be an over-emphasis on the gifts of the Spirit, rather than on the lordship of Christ"

We need as Christians to pray and to seek the Lord wholeheartedly, if we're to reclaim this nation for God. It's only by God's love, His power, and His authority that it will be reclaimed.

2 Chronicles 7:14

the original cactus head
It would be interesting to see him'let his hair down' when he entertains hs friends on Wednesday nights. I bet he REALLY gets down then.

Do you ever feel as if you are in the middle of a nightmare? Can this really be true,that enough people REALLY voted for this man to seat him in MY house?

The 'Ursurper-In-Chief is quickly dismantling the government and replacing it with 'Rules For Radicals'. He must be stopped before he does more harm.

William from Ohio

I met and talked with Dave Hunt circa 1984.

Dave talked to me about the hatred and vilification he had received for his stand.

Dave Hunt was literally 'Crucified' emotionally and mentally - I wonder what has happened to him?

I took a stand when a TV evangelist was teaching that 'God the Holy Spirit' had to obey man's commands and fulfill their words.

I received a 'Shunning' for my stand and was attacked viciously by my "Brothers".

The modern day "Faith Message" has a major flaw - when one has listened to the hundreds of tapes and followed the prescribed formulas and 'Nothing Happens' - God is blamed for NOT obeying man's commands.

Lets lighten up
C'mon guys would you really be happier of Obama had let Chrysler go to the wall and all those people lost their jobs?

Surely 30% return is better than nothing is Chrysler goes bust?

Actually in an ideal world it would go bust. But imagine the politcal fallout...

We are in uncharted lands here ppl..

WILLIAM - OH @ 6:36
Your post A GENTLE REMINDER was very interesting and positive.
It reminded me of our minister's sermon this morning. It was titled "Authority in God's Goverment". He stated that we are subject to God's authority first. Ministers of the Gospel, spiritual leaders, parents, elected officials, etc., operate in delegated authority.
This delegated authority, no matter the position, is always a relationship with responsiblity. Every human being operates in some degree of delegated authority depending on their level of responsiblity. We must respect this authority until it mismanages the responsiblity or it overrules our conscience.

The minister never mentioned President Obama, but during the entire sermon I felt he was imparting a message regarding our present administration's and liberals' efforts to silence the conservatives in this country
and deny any open and free Christian celebrations, whether it be displays of manager scenes at Christmas, school prayer or expressions of one's faith.


Honestly
we either stop this soon or it will never be changed. But I'm not sure the would-be rulers have thought this all out, with no incentive to work where will all the money they want for their own power and to redistribute come from in the future.

If things continue as they are clearly planned -- no one will work beyond subsistence and no one will be foolish enough to save any penny they manage to keep government's greedy hands off of anymore.

Where in the world will they get the money to increase their power if you have no workers, no industry, and no investment? And yes I believe they are foolish enough to believe that we will all behave the same regardless of their policies which seek to take every penny we earn or save.

Outlaw Economics
The central principle of any successful economy is the sanctity of contracts under a rule of law. This principle is murdered by this act of Obama, which ranks as the largest theft in the history of the United States. Without freedom of contracts and the power of the law, you have no property. You just have cash your Uncle lets you use until he takes it.

Lulu

I don't think that most politicians understand that if they take away the incentive, they will deplete the revenue base.

Winston Churchill warned of sugar-candy socialism.

China paid artists to create images of "The Happy Peasant".

FDR paid artists to create "Victims Of The Great Depression".

JFK cut taxes across the board so as to create a rising tide lifts all boats.

LBJ blew open entitlement spending.

Carter put on a sweater while the country suffered through stagflation.

Margaret Thatcher warned that the problem with socialism is that eventually everyone runs out of money.

Reagan cut taxes. Bush I didn't read his own lips and lost reelection. Clinton expanded the national debt. So, did Bush II.

We are now told to "Obey", as the national debt circles Pluto and both Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid will be bankrupt in less that 8 years.

The Bankruptcy courts are where
GM and Chrysler belong -- with the proper and legal distribution of the assets to creditors and/or the creation of a viable core out of the wreckage of the two companies. That is the creative destruction that regenerates new, more successful companies out of old companies under capitalism. The government error is thinking that a company is "too big to fail." No company is too big to fail, if that is what they need to do.

By interfering in the capitalistic process, Obama has simply increased costs and reduced economic efficiency.

In the meantime, he has rewarded his thug-friends from the auto-worker's union so they can cash out and make big bucks -- before the whole thing will collapse anyway.

There are and will be no "saved" jobs, because the Obama-meddling will result in unsalable cars being produced. Both Chrysler and GM will probably be bankrupt a second time within 2 years.

If you want to better understand how this all works -- and the dangers of mandated "empathy" and "altruism" -- read Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged (assuming that the useful idiots out there have managed to learn to read as they passed through the teacher's union run indoctrination system euphemistically called "schools."

Change that turned into Chains
File the Fitpatrick lawsuit for obama's treason
http://riseupforamerica.com

Cover-ups, obstructionism and crime
Is coming from the Government itself today.


'The Obama birth certificate protection act'?


Bill would prohibit compelling executive branch from releasing documents

http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=99107
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In total disregard to Article IV, US Constitution.

Article IV

Section 1. Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records,.......

America, the Beautiful
One sentence in Mr. Hill's excellent column caught my attention. "The legal rights of secured creditors are grounded in constitutional law..." Of course this is correct as anyone with basic knowledge of this brilliant document, The Constitution, knows.

Then I thought: Bingo! Don't like The Constitution? Change it. How? Appoint a new Supreme Court justice who has "empathy". What a coincidence Mr. O will soon be doing just that.

The devastation here in Detroit is beyond belief. Suppliers on down to the mom & pop stores are being wiped out. A neighbor committed suicide last week because of the wreckage being caused by govt interference, power, corrupt unions and political payback. People are leaving the area in droves.
A way of life is being lost. Middle class America s being destroyed. Families are left in ruins.
Why?

judith
my wife's sister is just another stuck in detroit with no way to escape. She owns a house in a neighborhood where homes are worth a fraction of their previous value and no hope of ever selling.

All the homes in the neighborhood are have bars on the windows and she claims most people keep guns in their ho mes just in case

But what kind of life is that for anyone to lead, you can't get out and worry when and if you be will the next crime victim.

It's strange that the messiah has no sympathy for people living in duress in these inner cities but had no problem seeing that corrupt land deal harry reid got $10 billion in pork funds just to build a high speed railroad to connect LA and vegas

So much for compassion for the person who ran on hope and change.

Whereas I am totally opposed to all levels of pork, it would seems that spending money helping people fix their cities should take precedence over building a train to take people to vegas just to gamble

re: Clownbama!!!
Look, this guy is a communist and you know it and I know it, so lets stop kidding ourselves shall we!!! The only hope and change this clown is bringing to this country is a Socialistic nightmare that will take decades to correct and reverse!!!

A Hard Rain's Gonna Fall
Some day soom Obama will fall harder than a California Proposition sponsored by Gov. Arnold. Watch carefully at California again as its Supreme Court rules on Prop. 8. If the court dares to impose its rule (again) over the people there will be electoral revolution.

Don't Give Up the Constitutional Ship America. Our tide will change and wash away all this garbage.

Unintended consequences
See the 2nd paragraph to understand how Obama is allowing the unions to steal money.

Some of the posts here, by Obama supporters, think that all creditors are equal and Obama's intervention helps everyong. They are wrong. Allowing various levels of security to creditors is an invention of the free market and has resulted in a greater standard of living for us all.

Here's how Obama is allowing unions to steal. Consider mortages - I assume you've heard of first and second mortages. In the event of foreclosure, the first mortgage is paid before the second gets anything. Say I borrow $80,000 on a home valued at $100,000. Then I go out and borrow $80,000 more on the home and to do this, I pay the new lender $50,000 (so I pocket $30,000). Then I stop making payments and get foreclosed. If both lenders have equal rights to whatever's left, both will get $50,000 back from the sale of the house. The first lender will be out $30,000, the second lender makes $20,000 and I make $10,000 (my $20,000 down payment plus the $30,000 I borrowed). This is what Obama is allowing the unions to do, at the cost of the secured creditors. The government is the owner of the 2nd mortgage having bailed out the companies. Now do you understand?

If Obama succeeds here (in forcing secured creditors to accept less than they are due) the unintended consequences will be dire. Loans to businesses will dry up and the economy will tank further. Foreign competitors will have a big advantage, causing many businesses here to go under and unemployment to go up, further tanking the economy.

i disagree
I must disagree that the tanned one is doing any of this for the "collective good"
This illegal alien subversive is doing what he is doing in a deliberate attempt to cripple this nations economy and send us down a path to hugo chavez type tyranny.

At this point we can only hope a true patriot to find the strength, means, and opportunity to put an end to this illegal regime.

Wimps
The loss of wealth hurts; however, it is the trampling of the Constitution that is far more important. Despite what The Chosen One says, his actions help no one and hurt all.

So, why are there not more legal challenges? Where in the Constitution is the federal government given the power to have an equity stake in a private enterprise? Where is it in the Constitution that the federal government may lend directly to a private enterprise? Where is it in the Constitution that the federal government may have any role in the management and decision-making of a private enterprise? Our president is supposed to be a Constitutional scholar. Does he not understand what “no bill of attainder” means?

Are Republicans/conservatives all wimps, or have they been co-opted?

Obama's Collectivism
Mr. Hill's column was absolutely on point.

I was, however, incredulous with his concluding thought, i.e., Will Pelosi, Reid and the democratic leadership go along with Obama collectivism. That question strikes me as naive in the extreme.

George

Collectivism = Communism
The "collective good of the people"???
I know that the majority of people in America are not too young (or too stupid) to remember the long lines of people waiting to buy loaves of bread in East Germany and the USSR, so why on earth would they fall for this communist rhetoric from Barack Obama? Propoganda is a powerful tool and BO sells his message of government dependency with a passion.
Wake up, America! Your freedom is being stolen from you and you are allowing it to happen!

collapse
If the economy collapses, and there are many economic experts that believe it will, the hungry people will look to be saved or at the very least, to be fed. None of Obama's economic policies makes sense to me and if anything are hurting the economy further. When and if the truly moneyed people begin to leave in droves,it will be a sign of what's to come.

Tea Party Location: WI Reply # 4 Date:
Tea Party Location: WI
Reply # 4
Date: May 24, 2009 - 12:52 AM EST
Talent scout

the right of all of us to know for sure, the truth about this person, is he or isn't he
a Natural Born Citizen.
==============================================
Here's what the father of the Fourteenth Amendment said a natural born citizen was.

Rep. John Bingham of Ohio, considered the father of the Fourteenth Amendment, confirms the understanding and construction the framers used in regards to birthright and jurisdiction while speaking on civil rights of citizens in the House on March 9, 1866:

[I] find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen…[6]

It’s important to note this statement was issued by Bingham only months before the 14th Amendment was proposed.

Notice he said born of parents (PLURAL) not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty.

Obama's father was a British Citizen, which made Obama a British Citizen at birth, which also means Obama is ineligible to be President of the United States. He is not a natural born citizen.
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