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Sunday, March 01, 2009
Austin Hill :: Townhall.com Columnist
Awakening the Welfare Recipient Within
by Austin Hill
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For millions of my fellow Americans, President Barack Obama is awakening the welfare recipient within.

Perhaps it’s his dulcet-toned voice. Maybe it’s his charming personality. Whatever the reason, it appears that in the era of Obama, millions of Americans have discovered that there is a welfare recipient deep within them.

For some Americans, an inner welfare recipient is not news. Yet for others, this seems to be a new discovery, and Washington’s invitation (which in some cases is a demand) to feast at the public trough is not only irresistible, it is as welcomed as a cup of cool, refreshing water.

To be certain, those with an inner welfare recipient comprise a diverse bunch. It includes highly paid corporate executives who, having managed their companies into failure, and not only welcome but demand welfare, lest they have to experience the consequences of their management.

It includes state Governors who without hesitation disavow responsibility for leading their state into deficits, blame it all on “the recession,” and now welcome the life-saving federal welfare to “close the budget gap.” Included here is the never-girly-man-Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger who, with California teetering on bankruptcy, instinctively sang praises to Obama for providing “relief,” and then implemented yet another crushing tax hike on the citizenry (note to Arnold: your state’s economy has long been lauded as “the sixth largest economy in the world,” but during your tenure it has slipped to number nine - - how girly-man is that?).

It includes people who purchased more of a house than they could afford, and now can’t make their house payments. It even includes Americans whose home is worth less than what they owe on their mortgage, and, while they can still make the payments, gosh darn, it just seems so “unfair” to have to keep your commitments in a situation like that…

It includes Americans who need condoms and digital tv converter boxes and environmentally friendly golf carts and tattoo removal and “cricket control” and childcare and “the arts” - - and don’t want the burden of paying for these things themselves.

In the short time since the current Congress convened and President Obama took the oath of office in January, we’ve seen lots of our scarce, hard-earned dollars allotted for things that awaken the welfare recipient within. Millions, billions, trillions - - who can really keep track of just how many of our dollars have been spent? President Obama and the Congress call this economic “stimulus” spending. But those who will be on the receiving end of these expenditures understand that, in reality, it is the welfare recipient within that is truly stimulated.

I, for one, am unable to relate to any of this. I was abused by my Great Depression-era Parents who indoctrinated me with the idea that independence and self-reliance were the means to a good life, and that there is a level of “shame” entailed in being a welfare recipient. But thank God Congressman James Clyburn of South Carolina was on hand to set me straight, noting that it can actually be shameful to NOT be the recipient of government welfare. In fact, Congressman Clyburn went so far as to say that if South Carolina Governor Mark Sanford were to refuse federal welfare for his state, that act alone might even be deemed “racist.”

My only hope is that there are others in America who are like me, and believe that cultivating an inner welfare recipient is something to be avoided. Obviously, I’m out of step with the “values” of Barack Obama and Arnold Schwarzenegger and Nancy Pelosi and Dick Durbin and James Clyburn and Chuck Schumer - - heck, I’m even out of step with those family -oriented “Utah values” of Harry Reid.

But last week, After President Obama’s address to the nation, Michael Maslansky of the Luntz-Maslansky Strategic Research firm in Virginia conducted a poll. He discovered that there is now a new divide that has emerged in our country, a divide even greater than that between Republicans and Democrats. He calls it the “responsibility divide,” a philosophical distinction between those who, to use my terms, “have an inner welfare recipient,” and those who believe that our government has now begun to enable other people’s irresponsible behavior.

It’s not clear yet as to which category is greater in number - - those who embrace the welfare state, and those dull, boring, mean-spirited, humorless folks like me who are responsibility advocates.

But the era of Obama has now been defined, and the lines have now been drawn. And as more of our fellow Americans discover their inner welfare recipient, watch for the “responsibility divide” to get even bigger.

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Austin Hill is a Talk Show Host At Boise, Idaho's 580 KIDO Radio, and a frequent Guest Host on the Fox Newstalk Radio Network. He is the Author of "White House Confidential: The Little Book Of Weird Presidential History," And Co-Author of the forthcoming title "The Virtues Of Capitalism: A Moral Case For Free Markets" (Northfield/Moody Press, 2010).
 
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The Welfare State of our whole country.
To Tinkabell....... The trouble is the welfare/inner welfare recipient types don't read or can't. Which I might add is part of the Liberal plan....dumb them down so you can take over their lives without resistance. You make them dependent on the GOV. for their every need. LL

remember 1 thing
JCORSON FRM VA :THE BONNIE BLUE FLAG WHO WORE THE SINGLE STAR !

Who is John Galt ?
Malkin maybe right but if we just sit down and take what is happening without showing our disgust in some way...like a pressure cooker lets off a little steam at a time...then I am not sure what might happen.

I well remember what the "Twentieth Century Motor Company" is. You might find this link interesting: http://ewot.typepad.com/the_economic_way_of_think/2009/02/ atlas-shrugged-quotes-and-comments.html
This is a Professor who has his students reading and discussing "Atlas Shrugged". If you want to see the rest of the discussion from the beginning check out the left side and click on "Books". The Professor is at Mercer U. in Macon GA...doubt if this class would be allowed in many other areas of the country...shame. I emailed him and told him how much I loved the book and that I appreciated his efforts to get the word out.
Thanks for the Congrats. I am pursuing my quest for independence not for the "global good" but because it is good for ME. I may also get some "Who is John Galt?" shirts printed up and start wearing them! Those of us who appreciate the book should all do it...drive everyone crazy.

"Regulus" from Malkin's site
has the unfortunate truth:

"I’ve been unimpressed with the “tea party” protests mainly because they’re too little, too late. The donks are cramming their gargantuan spending boondoggles up the American people’s collective posteriors, and there’s nothing that conservatives and Republicans can say or do to change that until 2011 at the earliest.

And by then, the irremediable damage will have already been done.

I’m not a defeatist in the “we’re screwed” sense, but there comes a time to recognize when a battle is over and when it’s time to continue the fight into another phase.

We’ve already lost the battle to avoid having the donkeys lay the groundwork for the destruction of our system of government and our free market economy. We lost that battle in November of 2008. There’s no way that the out-of-control spending is going to be repealed, or even scaled back, until maybe — maybe — Republicans can (1) make significant gains in the 2010 mid-term elections, and (2) not lose their bearings when it comes to fiscal conservatism.

Rather than protesting in a manner and to an effect that is no different from crying over spilt milk, those who want to salvage this country would be better advised to be thinking ahead to the next battles: the 2010 and 2012 elections in the short term, so we can delay the day of reckoning, and the Second American Revolution in the longer term (after the unpayable national debt gets renounced and everything goes to Hell)."

Congratulations, tinkabell!
If you remember the book, the "Twentieth Century Motor Company" was the company that went socialist and John Galt quit. 21st Century "Amerika" is operating the same way, and likely to end the same way.

If we had John's motor it would create an economic boom larger than the PC and electronics industry. Alas, we don't.

Read some early Heinlein - you'll enjoy it!

Who is John Galt?
I decided to "quit" a few years ago. I had some health issues that made it hard for me to work...I got my bills paid off, don't use CC's unless absolutely necessary, even in this bad housing market I have 75-80% equity in my house.
I can't rent a 1 bedroom apartment for what my mortgage payment (and it is a ARM!).
I will soon have a total grid tied solar run house (hopefully no electricity bills). What I decided to try to achieve is total independance. While I know I can't do it 100% I am trying. My garden will hopefully feed our family about 75-80% of what we need. I also got chickens for eggs(I couldn't kill one).
My quest to do this came directly from THE book.
I DO NOT want to need any one's help especially the government.
Call me crazy but I am really scared that the country is going the way of the country in the book. I have tried to prepare and hope that it is enough.
We all may need to shrug in the near future.

tinkabell, we could all use that motor
right now. I doubt that the Fed's "research grants" to Detroit will create it. It'll create permanent government "research" positions, but no breakthroughs or even new products.

Anything that is economically viable will be done and someone will get rich. Anything that requires "grants" from the Feds doesn't work or doesn't need to be done.

21st Century America is the Twentieth Century Motor Company. I quit!

Tabitha917 and LouLouise
Dr. Douglas is arrogant, so he must be a PHD.
Of course all of us know that stands for "Piled Higher and Deeper!"
I was once told that someone with a PHD was a person who has a bachelor/masters and STILL can't get a job!
Don't know why he should care what Hill is trying to "make" us do but seems to me our anger is directed to the Government not so much at the receipents. All we seem to want is for everyone to be responsible for themselves. As Ayn Rand noted (paraphrased)...if we all take care of ourselves and never expect anyone else to do it for us...everyone will be okay.
I wonder how much of HIS fat paycheck he gives to charity or to others to help? From the tax returns of members of the gov't last year...Conservatives give MUCH more to charity then Dims. Sarah Palin's family gave about 3-4 times more than either Obama or Biden.

Who is John Galt? How is that motor coming along? Detroit could really use it right now.

I wish I was on welfare
This article describes me to a tee. I've always believed in personal responsibility, in taking care of one's own, and that a person has to work to earn what they want. Silly me! Look at all this money that is being poured out willy nilly! I've changed my position -- what I want now is to be part of the government bailout. I am not working the system the way I ought to be.

Douglas
So....of the 50 million or so Americans who are chronically poor, what percentage do you actually believe to be just "innocent victims of external conditions"?

Take a stroll through Baltimore or DC sometime and see just how ignorant your little academic cocoon has left you.

I'm taking the rest of the year off
Join Me. "Shrug".

21st Century America has become the Twentieth Century Motor Company.

I'm taking the of the year off
Join Me. "Shrug".

21st Century America has become the Twentieth Century Motor Company.

my welfare recipient within
I hate to be oppositional, but I'm having a big problem here.
My welfare recipient within hasn't recieved a single dime from the hundreds of billions of dollars doled out.
Now, call me greedy if you will, but - short of even ten cents, I'm wondering why my welfare recipient within has been so ignored ?
The democrats told all of us for decades that they were for the little people, but now the democratic congress has given hundreds of billions away to everyone but me, the little guy.
I'm going to sue, for them abusing my inner welfare recipient, and causing a lifelong scarring, a pain I may never be able to effectively ignore any waking moment of my life. They have declared me unworthy of participation. I want my humanitarian rights, not humiliation !
BWAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA

I'm all for not paying taxes
when the movement gets organized, say, next year about this time. Our leaders should be proud of us since they pay such esteem to the patriots of old for rebelling against the tyrants of their day. What could we dress up as? I've got a home-made Islamist extremeist get-up.. . easy to put together from some old bedsheets and pair of 90's-look sunglasses. We've got oil here in Caliph-fornia so it'd fit right in. How 'bout you guys?

doofus
Is that all you've got? Have you ever posted anything that didn't gravitate to Bush bashing?

Lets talk about the here and now. obama has made promises to the masses that a God (choose your own)couldn't keep. And even if he could, we will run out money and credit soon enough. When that happens, those same serfs who love him now, will turn on him, and it won't be pretty.

Lou
get a clue; doctor does not mean just a doctor of medicine; didn't you ever watch Friends? Phd equals DOCTOR! get out a little bit.

Mr Douglas:
If you want to be addressed as "Doctor" I suggest you go to medical school. You are not a physician.

Silly Psychobabble

Hill's fantasy about the "inner welfare recipient" is nothing more than a rhetorical vehicle aimed at enhancing hostlity to potential recipients of government help. As such, it's just another sloppy example of the kinds of Townhall articles designed to enhance hostility toward a specific out-group (in this case the poor and needy).

Hill's use of the term "responsibility" is also ironic. A large part of the problem is that republicans won't accept responsibility for themselves: they will not accept internal responsibility for the disastrous state of our country (following Reagan-Bush), but instead project it externally onto others. In contrast, the poor are of course internally responsible for their problems, and the possible external factors are not considered in any way responsible. These attributions may feel good but they are quite illogical.

And the tax comments are equally bizarre.




Idle Hands are the Devil's Workshop
IDLE HANDS ARE THE DEVIL'S TOOLS - "Idleness is the root of mischief. This maxim has been traced back to Chaucer's 'Tale of Melibee' (c. 1386). First attested in the United States in 'Collections' (1808). The proverb is found in varying forms:: Satan has some mischief for idle hands to do; The devil finds work (or mischief) for idle hands to do." From "Random House Dictionary of Popular Proverbs and Sayings" by Gregory Y. Titelman (Random House, New York, 1996).

Another way of phrasing it, to stay out of trouble: PUT YOUR HANDS TO WORK AND HEARTS TO GOD - Philosophy of Ann Lee, "Mother Ann," founder of United Society of Believers in Christ's Second Appearing, known as the Shakers.

That's Reid's Nevada family values
Reid has never lived in Utah or won an election in that state. Reid is Nevada's blessing to the world. Utah would never elect Reid to anything.

HELLO JIM, SC
Thank you so much for making me laugh. Your post was spot on. I laughed unitl I cried at your comments of what went on in New Orleans during the Katrina disaster. I needed a good laugh right about now as I am sure a lot of people do. Thanks again.

larry22...
Feel free to e-mail that post about AWNAA to anyone you want. I'm glad you appreciated it.

Rowdy
You posted early so I doubt you will see this . But, to others that saw Rowdy's suggestion that we ALL or at least most of us STOP paying taxes. I have suggested in the past we all just go to our employers and increase the number of dependents we claim to the maximum number possible. This will greatly decrease the withholding and thus the money that the gov't gets on a weekly basis. After 10 to 12 months of this, the government operating capitol would almost dry up. And, if we ALL did this, It would overwhelm the IRS to the point they could not go after all of us. I suspect it would at least get their attention.

Christy, But they are going to fix
the problem of giving all that free stuff to illegals. They will grant them amnesty then they can have the free stuff just like all the good Americans -- except for the chumps who work and pick up the tab.

Stop working. Quit being a chump. Free stuff for everyone.

My Jeep is 10 years old. I want another one. Winch. 4" lift. lockers. Hey load it up. Obama will pay for it.

The only problem I see is that I'm working and on time on my mortgage payments. I'll fix that. I will quit working and stop paying for the house. Then I will have a new Jeep, more time to drive it, and my house payments will be taken care of. What a country.

J Corson, VA, 5:40pm
You wrote:
"President Barack Obama and the Democrat controlled Congress are considering sweeping legislation that will provide new benefits for many Americans. The Americans With No Abilities Act (AWNAA)"

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Great post! Extremely creative because it uses irony to reveal in daylight the underlying assumption of how liberals view their voters! And, how liberals gain control over and oppress their political supporters.

Can I email this to friends?

h20skier
I'm not disputing you, but if that's true, why would one need to file an extension? Plus it'd take the IRS a long time to get out from under a situation like that.

Better to pay a penalty now than get screwed down the road by a factor of 10 and still lose the country.

There is only one reason this clown is on this path and it's NOT good for this country. Not the one I served for 20+ yrs, I want my grandkids to enjoy what we did, not bambi's pipedream socialism.


poor but proud
in the 60's my mother, divorced, and no or sporadic child payments raised me and my brother while working for 1.35/hr.
a neighbor/friend told my mother that she is eligable for county relief and could get it within a day.
i remember my mom saying that we would survive without a welfare (misnamed, s/b dole) check, 'and it was only for extremely destitute people and we weren't rich, but not ready for the county poor home'.
i suppose someone could call this pride. i call it self reliance. i got a job and bought my clothes and school lunches for me and my brother. i got a paper route for my brother and he started helping himself.
later, we both went to college working our buttts off to get thru even with in state tuition. but we did it without government help or loans or welfare.

i have seen the non-man shopping with his 5 kids and wife today, filling up his basket and the wife's basket. he let her pay with the wic card.
she looked 8 months along. he had tatoos, bling, not cheap clothes, and later in the next parking aisle i noticed the escalade they were loading up on our dime. they were relatively young. i wonder how many more babies that this family cannot support will be born to them?

adios,
ab
lancaster, taxifornia
push 1 for gringo-english you dummies.

got amnestia?



Seawolf
The IRS has us coming and going. When you file for an extension you still are required to pay your estimated taxes. If you underpay you will be charged penalties and interest.

LouLouise
As a fellow citizen of the Peoples Republic you should know that Fairfax County is moving to severely restrict the size of houses that can be built on most lots in the county. It is called a "Bulk Plane" ordinance and will make a lot of land less valuable. Just what we need when our homes are becoming so much less valuable. Count on government to give you a good screw in the middle of a screw.

J Corson
You are GOOD! I love both of your posts. It is nice to see another Virginia poster too.

It is nice to know we have another "like thinker" who is not happy with the new and improved socialist agenda.

Keep up the good work!

How's THIS idea for a tea party?
On April 15th everyone who owes taxes files for an extension and keeps doing it till the time runs out..it'll make the IRS crazy, their projections will be skewed, they icome stream will be waaaay down and we will have sent a great message.

My MBA son says if a million did it, it would take them a year to get it right at least.

Perfectly legal...kinda like the cops with their "blue flu" protests.

"Why I'm a Certified Racist
TO: J Corson, VA
You deserve a cold beer and a pat on the back. I am writing down your comments, so that I can pass them on to people who feel the same way. I have had it up to my eyeballs with giving away everything I work for. I'm tired of paying medical care for illegals, welfare, no-good for anything gang members. We have to take back this Country. There will be an uprising one of these days, and we can thank most of it to Hussein Obama.
Thanks again for putting your beliefs in a better light for the anti-Americans reading these comments.

Recant my post about Reid
OK. So I just found out that my very own husband is not ashamed that Harry Reid is a Mormon. So I do know someone...well. He says he can disagree with his political views and still respect him as a person and member of our church. And he added that it was incorrect in his opinion for me to think that he could not be a "good" member of our church and have the views he has. But when self-reliance and free agency are so key to our faith, I have a hard time seeing how someone who is supporting policies that will take away our freedoms and create dependency on government can claim to believe that they support the principles of the church.

LouLouise
What was going on at the Homestead?
I used to live in Arl. Now "in the middle of nowhere" literally. I feel sorry for you to have/want/need to still live up there. It wasn't too bad in the 80's but no way, now. It is hard for the others to understand how hard it is to feel as we do and live so near the "Seat of Power." I guess you drink a lot to try to compensate?:)
I'm happier here with my 10 acres, no neighbors (that I can see), my animals and my 12 gauge! Let them come after any of it and they will get to know the dogs/12 real well!

AWNA Act (Part 1)
Under AWNAA, more than 25 million mid-level positions will be created, with important-sounding titles but little real responsibility, thus providing an illusionary sense of purpose and performance.

Mandatory non-performance-based raises and promotions will be given so as to guarantee upward mobility for even the most unremarkable employees. The legislation provides substantial tax breaks to corporations that promote a significant number of Persons of Inability into middle-management positions, and gives a tax credit to small and medium-sized businesses that agree to hire one clueless worker for every two talented hires.

Finally, the AWNAA contains tough new measures to make it more difficult to discriminate against the non-abled, banning, for example, discriminatory interview questions such as, "Do you have any skills or experience that relate to this job?" (NSPS???)

"As a Non-abled person, I can't be expected to keep up with people who have something going for them," said Mary Lou Gertz, who lost her position as a lug-nut twister at the GM plant in Flint, Michigan, due to her inability to remember rightey tightey, lefty loosey. "This new law should be real good for people like me," Gertz added. With the passage of this bill, Gertz and millions of other untalented citizens will finally see a light at the end of the tunnel.

Said Senator Dick Durbin (D-IL), "As a Senator with no abilities, I believe the same privileges that elected officials enjoy ought to be extended to every American with no abilities. It is our duty as lawmakers to provide each and every American citizen, regardless of his or her inadequacy, with some sort of space to take up in this great nation and a good salary for doing so."

AWNA Act (Part 1)
Washington , DC (AP) - President Barack Obama and the Democrat controlled Congress are considering sweeping legislation that will provide new benefits for many Americans. The Americans With No Abilities Act (AWNAA) is being hailed as a major legislative goal by advocates of the millions of Americans who lack any real skills or ambition.

"Roughly 50 percent of Americans do not possess the competence and drive necessary to carve out a meaningful role for themselves in society," said California Senator Barbara Boxer. "We can no longer stand by and allow People of Inability (POI) to be ridiculed and passed over. With this legislation, employers will no longer be able to grant special favors to a small group of workers, simply because they have some idea of what they are doing."

In a Capitol Hill press conference, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid pointed to the success of the U.S. Postal Service, which has a long-standing policy of providing opportunity without regard to performance. Approximately 74 percent of postal employees lack any job skills, making this agency the single largest U.S. employer of Persons of Inability.

Private-sector industries with good records of non-discrimination against the Inept include retail sales (72%), the airline industry (68%), and home improvement warehouse stores (65%). At the state government level, the Department of Motor Vehicles also has an excellent record of hiring Persons of Inability (63%).

Welfare Recipient
It should come as no surprise that we will all soon be on welfare depending on the government to hand out their morsel of hope and change. I watched a show today concerning Hitler. It was amazing at the similarites between Hilter and Obama. I became scared out of my wits to think we have allowed this man to change the course of our America. To be dominated by Obama, the Democrats and the left are equal to a death sentence to me. To live scared is no life. He continues to gives us clues that we will be under the tight fist of the government. The significance of this should cause every American, other than the idiots that voted for Obama, to stand up and start raising their voices as loud as you can. Every Senator and Representative in your area, including the Democrats should be notified by email and in writing that you will not stand for this. Obama has nearly ruined our economy, now he's on track to make us kneel to government-controlled healthcare. I personally don't want Obama's flunkies to tell me what treatment I can receive and when I can receive it. You people out there that support Obama, you need to start doing your homework. You might find out you have elected our next dictator. You know Hitler thought he was the Messiah. Sound familiar?
CP, OKC, OK

Why I Am A Certified Racist...
Here are ten reasons why I am now considered a certified racist:

1) I am against big government and big government bailouts for failing institutions;
2) I don't want to pay for someone else's mortgages, nor share my wealth with welfare recipients;
3) I don't want to be punished for having a successful business;
4) I voted for a Hero and not a handout;
5) I believe that the government works for me and I don't work for the government;
6) I believe that this country was founded of Judeo-Christian principles;
7) I believe the government is the problem--not the solution to the problem;
8) I don't want to be told who I can't disagree with or suffer jail time for uttering "hate-speech";
9) I am against the Fairness Doctrine - knowing that AM Talk Radio would be squelched, but not NBC, PBS and NPR; and
10) I believe that God has already sent us a savior and his name is not Barack H. Obama.

What prompted me to post these was a comment made by neighbor. When I said to him I believed the Democratic Party should be renamed the Socialist Party, he responded: "Shh, someone might call you a racist for saying that!" OK, let's add that to my list of ten giving me 11 reasons why I am a racist. You'll note that reason # 2 makes me a racist, just like Rep. Clyburn (SC) says of Gov. Sanford. That tells me that welfare is a "black thing" more like Rep. John Conyer's cry for reparations. I am tired of being called a racist. The Democrats and liberals call me that all the time. I guess it's better to be a racist than a slave owner! After all, the Democrats "own" the African-American vote by giving them victim status and then pass entitlement programs which "enslaves" their minds. Which is the 12th reason I am a racist, viz. I won't let the government control my mind!

LC In MD:
His name is not Barry Dunham. It's Barry Soetoro and there are those who say he is NOT a US citizen.

Tinkabell:
I'm in the People's Republic part of VA: Northern VA.
Did you make it down to The Homestead for the meeting a few weeks ago?

Grifters
When there are more grifters than honest citizens,then chaos will be the order of the day.

The usual deadbeats will not like being told there is no more. They will take what is not given to them voluntarily. They do a lot of that now.


Fear not there is an end in sight ...
Fear not there is an end in sight to this welfare mentality! And end in sight you say? My gosh, how can that be? Well my dear friends, fear not, American will eventually run out of money when there is nothing left to for the "left" socialists to take; we're BROKE! Only problem with this is: then what will the liberals be able to do? No money - no liberals! Perish such a thought - no money to take and spend! Never!!

A call to the Obama Wealth...
...Redistribution Department might go something like this!

Early in comedian Bob Newhart's career his comedy routine consisted of the audience listening to him make a hypothetical phone call to some company or government bureaucrat. I wonder how a call to the Obama "Wealth Redistribution Department" would go while making a claim for someone's wealth. Maybe the call would go like this:

"Hello ... is this the President Barack Hussein Obama Community Organization for Barack Hussein Obama Economic Justice and Wealth Redistribution Department? It is?!?! Well, I need to put in another claim for redistributed wealth! I know ... I know ... I have two other claims in process from last month but I'm still in need of some justice! Yes, I still ain't got economic justice, yet! I planned to use the last wealth redistribution check to pay my mortgage but once I got the money I figured if I went to the casino, double the money then pay my mortgage ... What? Line 3605 of the Wealth Redistribution Act says when playing games of chance with wealth redistribution funds they can only be used to buy Lotto Tickets. Oh, that don't seem right to me. How is that economic justice, telling me what to do with other people's money?!?! Well, anyway ... I ... I also wanted to inform the department that my neighbor just graduated college, got a better paying job and raise in pay and too much money ... Yes, he got excess money, the selfish, greedy bast@rd ... I'd like to file a claim ... Yes ... on his wealth ... That's right. Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you. I'll be looking for the check by the end of next week. Do you think I’ll get the check before next Friday, the weekend? I have two other neighbors I’d like to file a claim on next month. Yes … Line 1 of the Wealth Redistribution Act says they’re too wealthy. I think they need to spread it … Yes … I need the money more than them.”

No more freedom of speech...
Mr. Hill:
I am certain; Mr. Obama is trying very hard to operate as Abraham Lincoln did. And I am certain you know how he operated with journalist who wrote articles that differ from his views... And you are well aware Mr. Obama has mentioned or suggested doing the same thing. The thing about it is, regardless how you and I view the situation, we are wrong in the sight of most Americans, well some Americans and 95% of all Africanamericans. Therefore, when we say too much, someone will be at our doors with a gun and badge to welcome us home. I do pray I do not have to come get you out, but I will, as soon as I hear about it… I will start trying to get you out. But you will have to sign a paper stating you will not write opposition articles or you will go back in for good.
I know your parents told you about that as well.
Congratulations,
Huey

Patrick
You are entirely correct about what needs to be done with the Federal Reserve. America is the victim of a huge scam being perpetrated by the government, the Federal Reserve and the big banks. They have run this scam since the Fed was created and have become rich and powerful as a result. Just like every other scam this one is unraveling and their attempts to slap a bandaid on it won't work.

The stimulus package and the bailouts of the big banks is their attempt to keep the house of cards (in this case dollars) from collapsing on them. Might work for a while but judgement day is coming and it will be ugly when it gets here.

we have a defense if the IRS
comes after us for not feeding the beast...we say "but we dun vooted fo Obama and he say we doan hab to pay no mo.
Or "you must have caught Marc Rich, because you have time to eff with me"

Or, "I'm a dem candidate for a cabinet position".

I swear, if the Rosenberg's were alive today, they would have cabinet positions with this fool.

Charming?
So, Obama has a "charming personality"? If you define charming as bombastic, sanctimonious, cavalier, sarcastic, and self-congratulatory, I guess. Otherwise, I just don't get it.

Welfare!
What did the clueless citizenry of the United States expect when they elected Barry Dunham?

His only real job before sashaying into the Illinois Senate was as a community organizer.

The only reason for a community organizer to exist is to help victims of a big non-caring govt..For him to exist...,abject misery must exist.Community Organizers deal with the bottom feeders of society. They exist to give these people a leg up.

We now have a President who brings this philosophy to the White House. He revels in telling us that we are ALL victims. We just need to stick with him and he will lead us to a college education for EVERY child. He will give EVERY Amerivcan a home. He will make sure EVERY American is employed.We did not even KNOW how deprived we were until Barry came along. This President goes on and on ad nauseum with his agenda.

People get the leaders they deserve.

Apathy,stupidity, and greed have given us Barry Dunham.

"We have met the enemy and he is us" POGO

I just want my stolen money back
I don't want to be a welfare recipient. I just want money back the gov't has taken from me through all the different taxes they impose.

There is a difference: I don't expect it, I won't depend on it, and I won't vote in people just to continue getting it. I am tired of working hard just to have money taken to pay other people for being lazy, so if I can get a handout from O, I'm all for it, because my money has been taken through force for far too long. (And for those of you who are foolish enough to think we aren't strongarmed into giving money, just try not paying taxes for a year: if you don't land a job on O's staff, you certainly will be prosecuted.)

Reid not representative of "Utah values"
Agree with your sentiments completely and feel the same way. HOWEVER, please do not connect Harry Reid to "Utah values." First of all, he is a senator from Nevada, not Utah, and if what you meant by that phrase was really "Mormon values," then you are thankfully mistaken. I dare say every Mormon I know, including myself, is ashamed to admit that Harry Reid is one.

h20skier Taxes
It wouldn't work unless we refuse to turn over the balance to them at the end of that first year...say April 2010 (2009 tax bill). Let them keep the amount they already have...then Don't pay any more. If millions of us would do that the IRS/Gov. would freak. It would tie up every IRS person for years to come after that many people. As long as the money was in escrow we would show intent to pay...just not intent to release. It would also tie up the courts in every jurisdiction for years.
I seem to remember that there was a man (a lawyer I believe) in LA who fought the IRS, had a jury trial and won. It took the IRS YEARS to get him in court and then he won.
A fair tax of about 15% would make me happy as then everyone would truly be paying the same percentage...no deductions. The people with lots of money (who spend it) would pay more and those who don't have a lot...wouldn't end up paying a lot. The lawyers in DC (most of Congress) would never go for it. They would lose too much control. That's what "Zero" is into...Control of us and every aspect of our lives.
I am easy to lead but VERY hard to push...he and Congress are pushing me too far!

Wondering #2
Then of course, you must have a Business License and that cost money and it must be renewed every year. And all business license holders MUST have Workman's Compensation insurance which, if you don't know, is SKY HIGH. Then you must pay state unemployment taxes. And you must pay federal unemployment taxes. And you must collect and pay sales taxes and do it for the government for free. And you must pay sales and use taxes. And you must pay social security taxes. And you must pay Meidcare taxes. And you must provide the government with detailed reports and your check on time or they will come down on you like a ton of bricks and levy your property and put you in JAIL. And of course, if you are unionized, you must be the collection boy for the union AT NO CHARGE TO THEM and withold union dues and send it to the union. And of course, if anyone gets their panties in a wad over anything, all they have to do is go to the EEOC and sue you and claim discrimination and you have to pay to be sued with your own tax money and then provide for your defense from your personal funds.

And THOSE are a few reasons why many people don't even want to TRY to operate a business in America any more. But hey, I'm sure some walfare recipiant somewhere will give me a job. Right?

It leaves me wondering


All of this talk of creating jobs leaves me wondering how many new sustainable jobs the government liberals, unions, trial lawyers and welfare recipients can actually create. Ayn Rand asked that same question back in 1957. LBJ tried to answer it with an 11 TRILLION dollar transfer of wealth (as of 2007) from producers to welfare recipiants since the Great Society and it has not changed anything. If you listen to Obama, we are actually WORSE OFF today than we were before LBJ spent that 11 Trillion.

So if 11 TRILLION didn't cure the problem, guess what Obama and his buddies want to spend? And mind you, there is not ONE BIT OF EVIDENCE to support that what they are doing, or what FDR did, or what LBJ did, has rescued even one person from poverty. And that is because you nor I can do for a person what that person is not willing to do for himself.

The simple fact is that government is the biggest problem in America today to get ANYTHING done without having to go through so many dam permit applications which must be accompanied by your check for the application which of course, does not guarentee that the permit will actually be granted. Then of course, you must have a LICENSE from a state or federal government approved licensing agency. That license is likely to have cost you many hours of study and EXPENSE attending school or schools in order to become licensed.


taxes
For those thinking of claiming more dependents than you have you may want to think twice about that. The IRS has a rule where if you underpay throughout the year and owe a large sum at the end you will be penalized and owe even more. They want their(your) money every month.

LouLouise VA
Amen to your thoughts BUT those of us that are forced to support the parasite class will never mobilize in sufficient numbers. We don’t have the will, the time or the energy. We work our butts off to make a living. We do not have a 5 or 6 hour "work" day and 16 weeks off every year like teachers or outrageous numbers of sick and vacation days like cops nor do we have the $100K+ salary many of the parasites have here in the public “workers” paradise of New Jersey. While we work for them they have time work at ripping us off even more and more every year.

EXAMPLE – NEWS FLASH:

THE TEACHERS IN A NEARBY TOWN JUST HAD THE TOWN CAVE IN TO THEM OF A 17% PAY INCREASE OVER 4 YEARS. IN THIS ECONOMIC CRISIS HOW MANY OF US SUCKERS WILL GET 4.25% PAY INCREASE EACH YEAR FOR THE NEXT FOUR YEARS? THIS SHOULD GET MANY OF THEM AT LEAST UP TO $125K PER YEAR FOR A PART TIME JOB

Lolo1 and ha
Me, Seawolf and Loulouise are all in VA...if you two ever want to move...we would welcome you here, I am sure. We could use a few more like you!

Lolo1...thanks for the update in the Best Seller list...I wasn't aware of that. I try to mention it on any blog I write on and email my thanks to any talk radio host who mentions it...as many are doing these days. You would think I got a royalty for promoting it! I heard that Angelena Jolie owns the rights and is going to "try" to make a movie...I personally don't think it can be done and get the message across. It would be too long for the media generation to keep their attention.

Gimme
There's some "gimme" in the best of us. I consider myself to be a real conservative and deplore all the "compassionate" care so boasted of by the liberals.
But I accept Social Security benefits (of course I paid into that program nearly all my working life-active doctor from 1946 until 1997). I also accept a nice "dividend" from my National Service Life Insurance policy (I converted it to 20 pay life back in 1944-just as soon as I could).
Returning these small amounts to the system would just mean them going to someone who has contributed nothing to the body economic.
I don't want to be a parasite, but I want not being a sucker even more.
Donald W. Bales

ha
"Cut taxes on businesses & hard-earning Americans, make welfare so uncomfortable it forces people back to work, DO NOT make government welfare programs bigger. That's all this package is doing. Have you bothered to read it? Do you think it's okay to take my money to remove someone's tattoo or give them a converter box for the TV. Are you kidding me?"


Well said and Ben Franklin would agree with you.

oldsocialworker
Thanks for the response.

I believe about 95% of health issues are behavior based. Universal health care is just another back door attempt at social engineering. If people want to do stupid things I believe they should be allowed to do it. That is freedom. However I also believe they should be forced to pay for it themselves, and not take from those of us who don't, all in the name of compassion.

Letting people learn the lessons of life sometimes is the most compassionate thing of all that one can do.

Loulouise and Seawolf...
We need to get together and start something. I know a bunch more around/locally who think as we do. There must be some way we can contact without giving our email addresses to everyone?

Do/have either of you ever read the "Patriot Post"? What a GREAT newsletter. Actually gives me hope that I am not crazy! Great writing, research and explainations. You can find it here: http://patriotpost.us

Seawolf, tinkabelle and others...
reposted from earlier today.

Harry Ried says paying taxes is voluntary?????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7mRSI8yWwg

We didn't want to do it but we did. We sent our check to the IRS last week. I would like to see more of us thinking like you. Starving the beast is the only voice we have.

tinkabell
Just so you know, on the news the other day, they showed where 'Atlas Shrugged' was once again on the bestseller list.

Interesting isn't it?

For those that think selling
California is a great idea think again.

Remember Mexico has more natural resources than California, a longer growing season, and a huge tourist industry.

The only thing that would happen by selling California is they would turn it into a bigger cesspool than it already is. If you think you are going to protect yourself from it think again. We already know how well the government takes care of it's borders. Well California is attached and once they ruin it completely the losers will just end up in your back yard. It is happening currently, and you know it.

LouLouise
While I have a fairly good vocabulary...didn't know what "prescient" meant...so I looked it up. Great word to add to my list.
It is good to see that there are still some people (you and a couple more who read townhall) in VA who understant what is happening.
Don't know how old you are now but if it has been a while since you read "Atlas Shrugged" you should do so. I actually found that my local (very small) library has a NEW copy! Blew my mind.
We should get the like minded in VA together and try to make changes. I am near Culpeper/Fredericksburg...how about you?

tinkabell
I believe you are right about not being prosecuted as along as you have the money in escrow..it's a protest and it would be a damned effective one.

If enough of us would do it, they would scream to high heaven and be forced to cut programs, not think up stupid new ones to bleed us even more.

Gov't cannot operate without our money, let's starve the beast till it shrivels up and dies.

It's a better alternative to excercising our 2nd amendment rights.

govt. vs. households
For the first time since 50 years the more responsible households are attending to their own balance sheets: cutting up credit cards, paying off second if not first mortgages, dining at home rather than restaurants, having the old car fixed not buying a new one, etc. But the consequence: this worthy change of household behavior is knocking down businesses/industries (housing, autos, etc.) built on excess, made possible by furious advertising, loose credit, borrowed funds never-to-be paid back,money printing, etc. Results: layoffs, factory closings, shuttered stores. Government dilemma: should we try to force the responsible households to become irresponsible borrowers/ spenders again and thus re-inflate the bubble again? Or should we just print more money for everyone - never mind the resultant inflation? The Obama regime is stuck so they'll try to do a bit of both. Calling the responsible households "rich" they'll tax their savings until they'll throw up their hands and become irresponsible again. On the other hand they'll print enough money for vote- getting "stimulus" after "stimulus." Is their any defense? Perhaps turning to precious metals like gold or a paid-for house to live in not speculation.

A dream lost
" I have a dream, where one day a man will not be judged by the color of his skin, but be judged on his character" MLKjr

Friends and mentors of BHO: William Ayres, Rev. Wright, Saul Alinsky, Rahm Emanuel, Tony Rezko.

If only his budget was as lacking as his character, I guarantee Dr. King would NOT have supported BHO.

Fairness Man:
I feel like a damn fool for paying my mortgage and bills and saving for retirement.

Productive people who are not in the parasite class need to wake up and mobilize.

tinkabell:
I read 'Atlas Shrugged" and "The Fountainhead" when I was in my early twenties. I was blown away and thought: Wow, this woman is a genius.

Lorraine in CA--
Lorraine, I feel bad for you and your family. The government does not help people like you--people who worked hard all their lives.

All our money is going to the parasite class.

Think about leaving CA. ASAP.

Sarah Conner
It does my heart good to see that someone else is reading "Atlas Shrugged." Yes, it is fiction but does anyone really think a woman could have gotten a book on philosophy/economics published back then? I seriously doubt it.
We all need to have t-shirt printed with "Who is John Galt?" on it and then explain when someone asks about it. I seem to remember that many years ago someone actually rented billboards and put that one them...created quite a stir...maybe we could so the same thing again. The parallel of the book to what is happening today to truly scary. This is a book EVERYONE needs to read...long but worth every minute. I have read it three times and find something new each time. It is also available on audio tape...I think.
Thanks for letting me know I am not alone!

Sarah Conner:
George Orwell's "1984" was fiction too. Like Ayn Rand, Orwell was prescient.

How about some welfare for…
the sucker taxpayers? I’m sure many of us work our butts off in the private sector, have no pensions coming and have had our 401Ks and IRA ravaged by about 50% in the last 18 months. Guess which groups never, ever have to worry about similar losses and guess who pays so they don’t have to worry? You, fool taxpayers pay. Who are they? Why your neighborhood over pampered, overpaid, over perked, over pensioned, greedy, ungrateful, arrogant, practically useless cop, teacher and other public parasites. You pay for all there goodies so they are guaranteed the good life until they thankfully croak. How about they be taxed a special public parasite tax and the money distributed to the rest of us suckers that provide so well for them.

Washington your put on Notice
To our 545 worthless Politicans you are now on Notice, that We The People have had enough of your Lies,Cheating and Stealing of our Tax dollars. We are tired of your destroying our HONOR-PRIDE-VALUES -HERITAGE. We are going to put a stop to your wasteful spending and prosecute everyone of you that think we don't like your Earmarks and to you Chuck Schumer your the first in line to be put in Jail for your ignorance that We The People do not care. When all said and done You Idiots in Washington will not be protected by Law Enforcement or the Military, because they also have had enough of you abuse. As You can see WE THE PEOPLE have had enough, We now intend to take our Country back and replace you with AMERICAN'S that have only We The People at heart.AMERICAN'S join in , for We The People have had enough.

DISSOLVE THE FEDERAL RESERVE
LIBERALS WILL NOT DISSOLVE THEIR GRAVY TRAIN EVEN THOUGH IT IS NOTHING BUT BANKERS GETTING RICH OFF THE PRINTING OF AMERICAN CURRENCY.

Lorraine, I can hear the panic...
in your posts. I can only speak to what I know and that is never expect government to be there for you. They will require that you be totally destitute before they throw you a few crumbs.

The best thing to do is get the H3!! out of Dodge [Socialist cesspool of California] while you still have the funds to do so. Back east...if you go where Socialists have been and are in control of local government you will be no better off.


Which Comes First
A politician (or bureaucrat) who says "We have enough money" or a junkie who says "I have enough heroin"?

For Loulouis
Don't come here unless you speak spanish. This state belongs to Mexico already. And no, this was the first time I stepped foot in any government office for help, I have been self sufficient my entire life. So here's a question for you.....have you ever made $20.00 an hour, lost that job after 30 years, then suddenly found out the only jobs around are for minimum wage?

seawolf, VA
Wow, you must have been reading my mind! I had that same idea. I think you might be able to take up to 10 exemptions. Most people use only the number of people in their family or if they are single only one...if they take all they can...they will have larger paychecks AND if they put the balance in some sort of escrow account the Government would have to take each one of us to court to get a Judge to order us to turn the money over to them. In the mean time the government would not get the funds for a long while, you can't be convicted of tax evasion since it is being held. The government would only get to use the little that is withheld. If millions would do this it would really make an impact...

My husband is self-employed . .
every year we file the self-employment tax forms and pay the tax. This year, we're writing "Geithner rule - we'll pay when we feel like it" on the return and mailing it in without a check.

Who'll join us?

For Farmers wife
Husband is disabled, trying to get him on permanant disability, so far no income, kids lost jobs too, I made mistake on unemployment papers (stupid me) had to appeal, no answer yet (lost job in Dec ) Taxes took $ 10,000 from severance pay, 401K not available without severe penalties, have applied to every place, even McDonalds, we plan on moving back east if husband gets income, have cut all corners so far and believe me, THIS IS NO PICNIC.

Big Shot's and Big Losses
If I ran a business and was going in the hole I'm sure I wouldn"t get any help.I have been on disibility since2004 and worked all my life,I have been tormented by the Education Dept% years for a student loan constantly.It took me 5 years to be forgiven for the loan I could not work anymore and I needed Help but got none. I recently Paid for information for some help from the Gov. programs to fix the house and buy a cheap vehicle to get back and forth with. I am secretary for non profit org to feed poor and cloth poor and needy in our area we do not discriminate,on race,religion,ethnic,age, we help anyone who comes to us and turn no one away. I do what I can a little bit at the time to help people less fortunate then me. I know my spelling is bad forgive me. But I thought the stimulas was going to help the poor and the boy's coming home who were all shot up and brain injury's ETC Is the poor and needy going to be helped or the rich and famous? Write me please I need to know Love of Christ Nancy Dalrymple godlovesyou2@tds.net

H. R. 808
Speaking of awakening, have you seen this site? Speaking of a scary bill....

http://www.thepeacealliance.org/

SPINNING
KIM, NM: "JMO51
You have no idea what you are talking about. It's not being "rigid." It's what works. If u think it's okay to take money from those who work & then give it to those who don't, move to France.

Cut taxes on businesses & hard-earning Americans, make welfare so uncomfortable it forces people back to work, DO NOT make government welfare programs bigger. That's all this package is doing. Have you bothered to read it? Do you think it's okay to take my money to remove someone's tattoo or give them a converter box for the TV. Are you kidding me?

Yes-let the banks fail! They will learn from the mistakes and come back even stronger.
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JMO51: And where are all those great ideas coming from those fabulas conservative think tanks. They have been exposed as what they really are. Training centers for spin doctors.
.........

I am a business owner, have had several...did u know that it's about 70% of small businesses that provide the jobs, that pay the taxes, that create $$ flow...there's nothing in this stimulus for me.

& how wld Obama know anything about commerce when he spent his whole life listening to those who promote socialism, when he chose to go into community service where the only thing he did was advocate for those who subsist on "welfare" of one form or another...

sadly, the end result of all his efforts was a failure as there was no great change for the better in the community he served..it just created more "recipients" & a mindset to ask for more

& now he's in a position to give it

The Obama/ Jeremiah Wright method of
Re- distribution of the Wealth,[Stimulus] will Not Include ANYONE Unfortunate Enough to be of "Caucasian Persuasion". [That's [Working] "White Folks", to you recent grads of "Gummint" Schools.] We will scrape by, as we always have during Democrat-Induced economic downturns. An ex-wife of mine was a Fl. Welfare Supervisor, so I am in a position to know this. I am a retired Fl. Correction Officer, and I can assure you that Most of the Caucasians receiving Entitlements are Ex-Cons and their Families,[what with them being Victims of the System, and all.] Nothing, repeat, Nothing will CHANGE!! [Ah, the Magic Word, again] Ask any of your non-minority friends, who are out of work, broke, and don't know where their next Meal is coming from, How Much Success THEY HAD at the Food Stamp/Welfare Office?? Not Much I'll Wager!!

Can't Blame This On Zero
GWB would be signing the same bills. GWB and his pubbie friends in Congress and private industry put us in this mess and got Zero (Obama) elected.

We have met the enemy and he is us. Reagan Conservatism would have precluded this mess by allowing us to experience the necessary pain of recession at the natural time. Instead we got the kinder gentler Bush who went along with putting off the necessary cycle and put us into Depression.

But is is we ourselves who voted for pols who promised to save us from the business cycle. I don't think we will vote for anyone now who advocates 'the cure'. No we'll ride this mess right into WWIII which will be the only way out.

Lorraine in CA--
Spoken like a typical dependent person just dying to get on the dole.

Are all Californians like you? If so, we need to beg Mexico to take CA off our hands.

I've paid my fair share and thensome
I'm 60 this Friday. Will be 3 years retired the end of this month. I had expected to work until I was 62. My wife and I both consistently had worked 50 - 60 hours a week. But life had become too much of a rat race with diminishing returns.
As a New Yorker, after federal, state, local, school taxes, and an assortment of fees take their cut of your paycheck, one wonders why you work.
Though we no longer have my income coming in the door, we also pay significantly less in taxes. I also am able to take care of the home front and do things I (we) lacked the time for when I worked, thereby saving on expenses. Now life is more rewarding for both of us. And I get immense satisfaction knowing I'm contributing less toward the maintainence the lazy and ungrateful blow-hards of this country cconstantly screeming for more, more, and more of my hard-earned paycheck.

jm051...

JMO51
Location: NY
Reply # 33
Date: Mar 1, 2009 - 9:14 AM EST Oh Please
Here we are in the middle of the most serious economic crisis since the great depression and Hill and his kind are talking like they are Herbert Hoover.

Like it or not the only entity that can stimulate the economy at this moment is the government. What is hill suggesting. That we let the banks fail, that we let the state governments lay off teachers, police and fire fighters.


~~~

Dang. Every time I see this poster, I think of the nutters in the Navy who snorted the fumes from JP5. A Jet Fuel. It made them insane for a while, and eventually led to their demise.

We can only hope.


start from the bottom up
DONALD, MT: "Why are we rewarding failure by taking from the succesful and giving to the unsuccesful?

because it is the
Failure of a parent, which becomes a society, & then a gov’t.

failure of parents to teach responsibility, hard lessons & when one fails the first time to get up, brush oneself off & try again

those kids grew up into the society we have today that hands out trophies for every imaginable "failure" ..otherwise our poor dears have to take valium

who become our politicians & have no morals, ethics, principles and so on

our society is not going up & forward, it is sliding backwards

into the same hard, difficult times we were in with the big difference being that only some of us pay for it while others will continue to sit around waiting for the next handout

socialism at its worst
ME,PA: "Socialism at its best. The more people they put on the dole of my tax dollars the more votes they will get. Most of the stimulus money is going to the big cities which steal my electoral vote every election. Just remember you worked for a living so you do not qualify for welfare & they are giving your social security away to illegal which they let vote."

a friend in Newburgh NY (poor part of town)called me to say her neighbor who owns the 3 unit rental building was sent a form by welfare to ask for an apartment...for an illegal alien couple with 2 U.S. born children

WE NEED TO GET RID OF THE ANCHOR BABY PROGRAM

Welfare trough
Makes me wonder why my wife and I broke our asses our whole lives and were fiscally responsible when being so was in vogue. As a reward, we and others like us will have the dubious honor of trying to save the nation's economy with our hard earned savings and retirement funds. Isn't THE ONE grand?!

Lorraine in CA...
So with everyone complaining, who still have jobs, let me give comment on the "other side of the tracks".

I lost my job of 30 years,....Are you not eligible for unemployment insurance or maybe you have exhausted it? Did you not have some sort of retirement plan after 30 years at the same job?

have 4 other people who rely on me to bring home the bacon,....are they too young, too old or unable to work?

went to the welfare office to inquire on what I could get,...Is this the first place you looked for help?

and was told because I have 8 thousand dollars left from my severance pay in the bank, they could not help. ...Have you considered taking that money and leaving the Socialist cesspool that exists in your state and moving somewhere else?

I live in a crappy trailer, I do not live beyond my means,...Do you still have cable TV, Computer and internet connection, possessions that you could sell?

no jobs around,...are you a member of a church or some other organization, if so have you exhausted the possibility that someone you socialize with may be able to refer you to other job prospects

so I will go back when the money runs out. ...If you wait for government to solve your delima, you really will be out of luck and that is REALITY.

I truly hope that your situation improves. There is always work to be done, if you look hard enough and ask enough people. Individuals will pay you to do the things that they can't or don't want to do....

DITTO on GREAT IDEA
RATAS y RATONES: ~~~ Andrew1218, What a great idea. Let us trade California for our Chinese debt.

We're then out of debt, and California soon would be out of debt.

California would then be parasite free, Mexico would regain several million of its former citizens, welfare leeches would then be employed, somewhere, or they would starve.
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I'm calling Schwartzenegger(sp?) tomorrow & saying I hope his state will be sold to China & see how long his welfare state will last.

You know
I am half way thru Atlas Shrugged, yes I know it it is fiction, but if you read the book and think about that what has been going on in our country since FDR, all I can say is that Ayn Rand could see into the future and it was not pretty.

I tell my husband that those of us who are self sufficent and only depend on ours selves will come out of this alright, those that look to someone other than themselves are in troulbe.

I have been poor, my husband got out of the army in 1986, Texas. Jobs were pretty scarce. but he found a job and at times worked 2 jobs, went to night school and got 2 degree's, I went to work and things slowly got better. Years later my husband was looking at a statement that was sent from social security and said you know we probably would of qualified for food stamps back them, you know what it never occured to us.

TO NO AVAIL
JAX33, IA: "stimulus - Instead of giving this money to all these interest groups,the government should have gave the money to individuals.Not a paltry 600,but more like 10 grand.This would have produced an avalanche of spendimg.There would have been millions of dollars added to the city,county and state coffers in sales taxes."

that's exactly what I said..to my congressman, 2 senators & even called the WH

but the agenda is to bring this country further down & make everyone dependent on the gov't...

well, in the same way that the gov't does not trust us,

I don't trust the gov't

maybe we needed this to get those of us with responsible, commonsense mentality to stand up to the gov't ...

and I see that coming

Welfare or Unemployment?
DHA Secretary Napolitano wants to stop ICE raids, the Democrates want to end E-Verify and the President wants States to take money for an extension to unemployment and then the States must continue these payments after 2 years.

So does this mean, the illegals will get the new jobs in this stimulus package (they work for cheap); The Unions Leaders get paid big bucks for cheap labor and the American taxpayer will strugal on unemployment Indefinately?

Now that is change the voters did not plan on. However; that is how it is being set up.


AM THERE
So with everyone complaining, who still have jobs, let me give comment on the "other side of the tracks". I lost my job of 30 years, have 4 other people who rely on me to bring home the bacon, went to the welfare office to inquire on what I could get, and was told because I have 8 thousand dollars left from my severance pay in the bank, they could not help. I live in a crappy trailer, I do not live beyond my means, no jobs around, so I will go back when the money runs out. REALITY.

Patents & Trademarks = Welfare????
Steve-

that ranks as one of the most economically ignorant things i've ever read or heard- and that's saying something. while i wouldn't argue the system could certainly use some serious tweaking (i.e. a copyright for a comic book can be renewed almost indefinitely- so the great-great-grandchildren of the creator of Betty Boop may never need to work again- but a patent for a cure for cancer expires 20 yrs from filing. go figure), but to deny this almost uniquely American incentive of ingenuity is truly moronic...

NO IDEA
GREAT ARTICLE

I am/my family are one of the thousands who came to this country after WW2 & were NOT ALLOWED to "go on relief" as it was called

"TOO BAD," you were on your own

TO GET A JOB AND MAKE A LIFE FOR YOURSELF

You all out there who were born here, born after those times have no idea what it meant to us to be able to do that

& so, w/o the language, my father went to work washing dishes for $8/week; my mother soon after went to work cleaning offices at night,don't recall how much she made but it was enough to pay the $16/mo rent & to buy food & eventually some furniture

WOWOWOW, what a terrific life we had

at first we slept on the bare floor with just the clothes we wore, that we came with

an Italian neighbor, with whom we could not speak, gave us sheets & blankets

but soon enough we were able to buy a secondhand bed & table/chairs.I remember the icebox well & the man who carried ice up 6 flight of stairs

but little by little we made it

& along the way, I was taught to live by commonsense rules, buy wisely, only what you need, pay for it in cash & by golly w/in 13 yrs we were able to buy a TV!

BUT, by that time we were able to afford to move (actually buy as apartment were scarce & one had to "pay" for it) to a 2 bedroom apt on the 2nd floor, & the bathtub (previously in the kitchen) & toilet were in a separate teeny space with a door for privacy (whereas we shared the toilet between the 2 apartments with the kind Italian neighbor)

geez, don't have any idea how the poor folk make it with all the handouts..poor poor dears

stimulus
Instead of giving this money to all these interest groups,the government should have gave the money to individuals.Not a paltry 600,but more like 10 grand.This would have produced an avalanche of spendimg.There would have been millions of dollars added to the city,county and state coffers in sales taxes.

To conservative online
Open invitation to a great conservative blog website where honest debates on the issues is always welcomed. Stop by for a visit and sit a spell. It is my favorite conservative site and we are generally civil and respectfully to one another opinions and enjoy civil debates on all the current issues. The web address is http://noleftturnz.wordpress.com/


Socialism at its best.
Why would they be good strewed of our money since they violate the constitution with their separation of church and state when it truly reads separation of state and church. The more people they put on the dole of my tax dollars the more votes they will get. Most of the stimulus money is going to the big cities which steal my electoral vote every election. Just remember you worked for a living so you do not qualify for welfare and they are giving your social security away to illegal which they let vote.

Steve
"Prior to that, it was the welfare offered to inventors and creators through copyright and patent protections." How is it welfare to allow one to enjoy the fruits of their labor? Is it alright for someone to spend a lot of time and money inventing something and then some else copying that product or invention to use without all of the time and work? That would be like two students taking a test. One studies hard and comes to class and aces the test. The other student comes after the test is graded picks the best test and copies the answers. Should that student be given the same grade?

Harry Reid says that paying taxes...
is voluntary?????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7mRSI8yWwg

Statement of TOTAL OBJECTION
Last Friday I sent my state governor an email blasting his decision to accept some $3 BILLION dollars of welfare money. I told him that if he could not manage a budget of a state with the highest taxes per capita than any other in the nation than his leadership is NOT one that our state needs. I then sent an email to my states senators and congressmen explaining my email to the governor and that THEY had an obligation to have a "sidebar" conversation with the governor in order to influence him to "rethink" his decision. I know the senators of my state are not in favor of the stimulus and both have voted against it. So I was bewildered to say the least why the Governor would accept it.....and then I read this article! We ALL need to take responsibility for this mess. Contact your governors, senators and congressional folk and tell them in no uncertain, politically incorrect terms EXACTLY how you feel about this garbage and that you will not let it stand! God Bless you all!

"Every month"
Pelosi said:
"Every month we don't have a package..." drum roll, please, "500 MILLION Americans lose their jobs." Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Cognitive decline, cognitive dissonance - whatever you want to call it, that should be played over and over and over again every time the Dims claim that they know what a budget is for - (I think Barney Frank confuses a "budget" with some kind of kinky toy.)

Americans have been walking toward the trough for a very long time, and now we've finally reached it. But don't worry: the messiah will rescue us.

you cannot GIVE people...
prosperity. It must be earned.

Benjamin Franklin said...
Repeal that [welfare] law, and you will soon see a change in their manners. ... Six days shalt thou labor, though one of the old commandments long treated as out of date, will again be looked upon as a respectable precept; industry will increase, and with it plenty among the lower people; their circumstances will mend, and more will be done for their happiness by inuring them to provide for themselves, than could be done by dividing all your estates among them.

JMO51- Huh?
Your opening sentence:

"You are wrong, poor people do get care"

That's what I said. Poor people get care. My point is that most of the health problems I see are behavior based, which goes completely unaddressed.

Places where there is national health care have abysmal and rationed health care. National health care fixes nothing. A good start is tort reform, managing our borders, and removing third party payers altogether. Let patients and doctors choose and navigate basic care, and reserve catastrophic care for insurance intervention.

We should be moving toward personal responsibility and simplification of the system rather than increased bureaucracy and complication.

failure
Why are we rewarding faikure by taking from the succesful and giving to the unsuccesful?

JMO51
Twenty five years ago I enjoyed relationships with many business owners and tradesmen who would train, sponsor, hire, or otherwise assist disadvantaged teens I worked with. Those days are quite gone along with the businesses. With increased self-entitlement has come untrammeled litigation risk; and many businesses have had to leave or fold due to confiscatory taxation. Self-employed people, who are the primary source of jobs, are being crushed. This rigid conservative has solutions based upon what I have learned over 25 years as a social worker:

* Standards of behavioral expecations- whether in schools, at work, in society- should be set high and not bent or abandoned to accommodate behaviors which require other people playing by the rules to be negatively impacted. There ought to be opportunities for all (which there are), but the individual must rise to the occassion when given opportunities. Results will vary.

* Business growth must be encouraged and facilitated rather than penalized. The average small business owner, in my experience, does little else than work. As a result of their efforts, many have achieved personal wealth. Politicians and academicians, who have benefitted handsomely from the collective prosperity produced by capitalism, see the results of incredible effort and act as if prosperity is simply a matter of luck. People will not be willing or able to work long, hard hours when the lion's share of the fruit of their labor is taken by others. Those willing to produce must be left to do so. Jobs are created and tax revenues increased by them.

There is more, but no more room.

reformed conservitive
The republicans need to wake up, they took away regulation and let it be a free for all. We all need to learn from the past. I do not believe throwing money at a problem is a way to fix it either. We simply need to go back to regulations and make sure they are followed. There is always going to be that "con-artist" out there trying to find a way to make a dollar any way they can without regard to who they have to step on to get it. Whether or not it was earned honestly or not.

Fairness was not at all thought of when a lot of banks got involved in these mortgages, or loans to businesses or consumers.

When the cost of doing business is so high that the business can not stand without a government bailout than something needs to be corrected, not just assisted in keeping business as usual.


Welfare Recipient Withn
Dear Mr. Hill,
You are spot on that people permanently should not depend on government for everything, and that it will ruin the spirit of the country. Personal responsibility must always accompany rights, and the word entitlement removed from government language.

JMO51
You have no idea what you are talking about. Not a darn clue. It's not being "rigid." It's what works. If you think it's okay to take money from those who work and then give it to those who don't, move to France.

Cut taxes on businesses and hard-earning Americans, make welfare so uncomfortable it forces people back to work, and DO NOT make government welfare programs bigger. That's all this package is doing. Have you bothered to read it? Do you think it's okay to take my money to remove someone's tattoo or give them a converter box for the TV. Are you kidding me?

Yes-let the banks fail! They will learn from the mistakes and come back even stronger.

Sheesh....

oldsocialworker
Firstly, you are wrong. Poor people get care. You no who does not, working poor and the lower end of the working class who are in small businesses and work for employers who do not provide health insurance. They self-ration and when they get really sick it cost the system more.

But lets assume for a moment that you are correct the everyone gets care. Then who pays for their care? Does it end up getting picked up by the rest of us in terms of higer insurance premiums? If so than we already have universal healthcare.

We are the only industrialized nation without univsersal healthcare and our costs are higher than others, cost that put of industries at a competutive disadvantage and encourage shipping jobs overseas.

The system is broken and conservatives had a decade to fix the system using conservative principles and they did nothing. The same is true for energy indepedence. A lot of talk and zero action.

Maybe if Republicans had spent a little more time fixing what ailes this nation based upon more conservatives principles we would not have such support for the Obama way.

I don't care much for system suckers like the people you describe, or the friends of GWB that got no bid contracts reconstruction in Iraq.

Oh Please
Here we are in the middle of the most serious economic crisis since the great depression and Hill and his kind are talking like they are Herbert Hoover.

Like it or not the only entity that can stimulate the economy at this moment is the government. What is hill suggesting. That we let the banks fail, that we let the state governments lay off teachers, police and fire fighters.

Of course, all of this is troubling but we live in troubling times. All this column proves is how rigidly conservatives think. The answer to every problem is a tax cut. Many conservatives are still hawking a cut in capital gains taxes when it is pretty clear the problem is with demand.

Businesses have excess capacity so they would not need additional investment capital. And lets be real with the condition of the stock market not a lot of people are having any capital gains.

The more people who are working the more who are spending and it has a mutiplier effect.

And where are all those great ideas coming from those fabulas conservative think tanks. They have been exposed as what they really are. Training centers for spin doctors.

Suzanne, school lunches
aren't just for kids anymore. My district includes some schools that serve breakfast and lunch to "families". The thinking was it would promote the "family values of having meals together" and "get the parents invested in education". Lots of "my babies daddies" on hand some days. This entire world has gone completely insane.

Good satire, Melvin.
I hope.

lolo 1, about the health care...
I notice many of the "poor" I work with are ALWAYS at the doctors, and its usually for behavios based issues:

* Kids with chronic bronchitis due to heavy smoking in the home. I see this A LOT!

* Psychosomatic (dizziness, stomach pain, head aches) complaints due to fighting and crisis in the home. This I also see quite a bit of.

* Alcohol poisoning/overdose

*Filth related problems such as lice, ringworm, staph, etc...

*Obesity related issues

EVERY health issue involves the doctor. I have never, not once in 25 years of practice, seen someone who needs medical care not receive it. What I do see is the expectation- no, demand- that medical care produce health itself despite lifestyle choices. I have heard people complain about "not having decent health care" simply because they are not healthy.

Obama is such an ignorant, myopic, self-aggrandizing fool. He is chaining us to people who make it their business to jump off of cliffs and curse gravity.

Inner Welfare Recipient....Article
I agree that Obama is about to ruin the people of this once fine nation by encouraging even more irresponsibility and the "gimmee" welfare mentality. Just on Fox News, a discussion about the complaints from parents who won't pay for kids school lunches, therefore school is providing (at taxpayer expense) cheese sandwiches. Nourishing, by the way. And now, deadbeat Democrats complaining, would you believe. Those parents are too lazy to make their kids a lunch in the morning, and they complain about the school.Sheesh!
I also agree that Romney is absolutely the wrong choice by CPAC. We need a real conservative, not one, like Romney who will go along with illegal alien amnesty and continue all the welfare programs,both for businesses and individuals, and who will also not protect our borders. Where is Tancredo? I do not want business as usual from the Republicans. Haven't they learned anything at all?

Welfare Creates Jobs.
Fifty million Americans cannot be wrong---getting government assistance is the easiest way to survive. Most are blind, lame or disabled. The rest are homebodies that hate to get out of the bedroom or kitchen and travel to a job. Disabled and tired Americans are needed. They create millions of service jobs. Each welfare recipient must be fed, housed, and given medical attention. Food markets employees, building maintenance workers, and doctors depend on the welfare recipient. Lets us not badmouth an essential part of the American economy.

Brave New Welfare World
Reading this called to mind Huxley's "Brave New World" where some people were bred to work and love it, and others were bred to play. Neither group envied or resented the other it seems.

We seem to be moving toward that world, but without the genetic engineering factor, resentment will definitely arise, and only in one direction.

Obama is delivering increased poverty
by drawing more people into it. The impoverished communities in America largely consist of people whose values, choices, and subsequent behaviors create and perpetuate poverty. The primary causes I see on a regular basis are: having many children (often with multiple partners) depsite the availability of free birth control; an outright refusal to work because entry level jobs "don't pay enough" (for bling and rapper-style living; a refusal to finish education despite huge dollars being dumped into it (there are many corrupt districts, that's for another day). Part of this includes substance abuse and addiction. the bottom line is most poverty at this time is behavior based and government enabled. If Obama has his way, poverty will become government imposed. I think the latter is our fate.

Umm...It was Paulson
It was Paulson that offered welfare to the banks, that set off this mess. Prior to that, it was the welfare offered to inventors and creators through copyright and patent protections.

Monopolies issued by government destroy every economy eventually. Why did the government give banks a monopoly with money? This is the same thing Andrew Jackson was fighting against.

While Obama doesn't grasp the whole problem, he does know that people are more important than theories or numbers. Austin Hill understands nothing. He is just a partisan political hack, like most of the drivel at townhall.com.

http://www.behappyandfree.com

this reads like hurricane katrina !
Let's sit on our front porch while a catagory 5 is racing directly at us,the GOV will take care of us,we'll get new homes,cars,furniture,clothes,appliances,FREE FOOD &tv's.I'll never forget those smiling & waving faces of the 4 young men sitting on a front porch after katrina(so happy they were just to be alive)& once night fall came they were even happier!!!the the GOV said it was okay if you had no shoes because they were lost you could go out & steal some.I guess the police & most residents lost there shoes, decided to cut the red tape.They got their shoes and all the promised things they could carry.Yet some old lady with a gun was the threat to the community,so to protect herself frm the looters they took it away under marshall law.This week they finally took the national guard($$$)from new orleans.PS don't forget the pictures of the police with full shopping carts they were there to protect & serve themselves in isle #7 that only ran 2 or 3 times.WHAT A SENSE OF MORALITY PEOPLE HAVE TODAY!

NO TAX INCREASES UNDER $250,000 EXCEPT:

1. when you purchase gasoline.
2. when you use electricity
3. when you use heating oil
4. when you purchase any goods that are manufactured or transported with the above.
5. when you use services requiring use of the above.
6. Prices will go up when you purchase goods from companies who will be paying a 39% tax rate.
7. Prices will increase when you use services by companies who will be paying a 39% tax rate.
8. You and I will be making less investments because the captital gains tax will be too high.
9. Our heirs will be receiving less of their inheritance because inheritance taxes will be increased.
10. Thank goodnes, no tax increase if we make less than $250,000, we'll just have tax increases and increased costs coming through the back door.
11. What a Stimulus Package! The intention is to stimulate our wallets to pay for Obama and Pelosi's Socialist Agenda. The middle class will pay their share too.

12. State Right's anyone? Tea Party anyone? Tax Revolt anyone? It's all coming back! I believe in the will and courage of Americans.





Don't worry about Jobs
There will soon be plenty of entry jobs available IF they don't pass an amnesty
scheme for the illegal aliens in this country. Maybe that’s why “popup pelosi” is insisting on amnesty for illegal aliens. She knows welfare rolls are soon going to be exploding with other minorities as soon as BamBam’s redistribution of my savings gets to them.

During the 90's congress passed welfare reform, Welfare reform limited the length of time that one was able to collect welfare before becoming ineligible. Have you noticed the change in service employees in supermarkets, fast food places, department store clerks ? ? ? These minority employees were the result of Welfare reform. Welfare reform required welfare recipients to find and hold jobs or loose ALL eligibility. Well BamBam changed that. He repealed welfare reform laws. Soon these minorities will realize that BamBam's generous redistribution of your savings will give them more for not working than it does for being gainfully employed. And they will have medical benefits also.

So don’t worry about having a job. Soon you will be able to find work at McD’s or Wally World or some other menial task.

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

All of us have photographic memories . . . Only liberal lemmings have NO FILM




Patrick, GREAT line and I'm stealing it!
Truly brevity IS the soul of wit my brother.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

Beware of Democrats bearing gifts
The Democratic Money Horse is loaded with socialist soldiers.

http://stopthepresses2.blogspot.com/search/label/Stimulus%2 0bill

George Romero had it right!
Shoot the zombies in the head and they STAY dead!! There are too many "zombie" businesses and banks being kept artificially alive with TARP money that SHOULD DIE ALREADY!!!!!

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

A Bare Pantry
The looters are being promised the world. From the millionaire bankers to the inner city welfare recipient they all think the government owes them an existence. In the not too distant future our money will be worthless and our country bankrupt.

When that happens what will the looters do? Do you expect them to buckle down and rebuild our nation? They don't know how. All they have ever known is taking. Creating is not a part of their life. The hard left has wanted what is coming because they hate the America our Founding Fathers created. They want the looters tearing down what is left. They think it will bring about the socially just society that is their vision for our future.

It is completely possible to destroy what we have. It is completely impossible to create what the left wants. I think they know this and is the reason they have so much hatred. They know what they want will never be so instead of living with what works they institute what doesn't and will be joyful when it all falls down. They hate themselves and they hate America.

Change your W-4 withholding.
Claim a dozen kids and escrow the money until these fools realize who they work for...Without our taxes, the beast will starve. I never liked withholding anyway, they get to use our money and we lose a years interest in the process.

When times are tough, we have to cut back, well times are tough and this fool is preparing to make them a damnsight tougher with his communism light.

I read he has also knocked off deductions for charitable donations..I guess that is so the charitable organizations will be beholden to the gov't and so will the people that rely on them...he's taking over bit by bit folks and he must be stopped or we will never unwind the damage he will do....ever heard of a gov't program getting cut?

You won't because those programs provide jobs for dem supporters and we pay the salaries of these people, cut a program and jobless claims go through the roof and we pay for THAT as well.

As Rowdy said, they can't arrest us all.

If we all changed withholding at the same time, the flow of money would decrease so badly, bambi would be all over the news in a week, like he isn't already.

It would send one helluva message and much better than writing to congresscritters who never read our letters anyway, nor do they give a big rats butt what we peons think.

I say we start tomorrow and then nobody file on April 1, nobody!

OH NO !

OH NO !

The Rat was being insensitive about trading CA to China for our Debt.

All six dozen California Conservatives are welcome in Indiana.


Mi apologia, por favor...



OnTheEdge...


OnTheEdge
Location: CA
Reply # 10
Date: Mar 1, 2009 - 5:15 AM EST Words of Wisdom
"He is richest who is content with the least". I don't remember who said that,but I find them good words to live by.(Speaking of which!...Ratsy,I had beans-n-weenies again for dinner tonight.Didn't you hear me calling you?)

~~~~

OnTheEdge,

Yes, my friend, I did hear your call for the fine meal, one of my favorites, by the way, but sadly I forgot to RSVP.

My neglect in the 'Respondez Sil Vous Plais', was due to the fact that I enjoyed a fine toasted bagel with cream cheese, and a cup of peaches.

Yes, the Rat is on a diet, as he needs to lose a few pounds.

Broccoli tomorrow.

Perhaps next time.

And, please let me apologize for my previous sour grapes response.

The very next time I have a barbecue, you will be the guest of honor.


TANSTAAFL
We are about to discover again, courtesy of Obama and liberal policy wonks, that There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch.

Obama never learned that at Harvard. That's equivalent to knowing nothing about the effect of gravity in the universe. Newton would just shrug his shoulders in disbelief.

Rush to CPAC...

Don't surrender Reagan Principles, Liberals are the ENEMY!

However, the “Fat Cat,” Country Club Republicans from the N.E., representing 20% of CPAC turn around and support a Liberal for President in 2012. That's right, Unfit-Mitt Romney, the father of Homosexual Marriage and the $50 Co-Pay for an Abortion (as part of his universal health-care plan in MA) has once again PURCHASED his way to the top of the CPAC list of Presidential Candidates in 2012. WHY ON EARTH WOULD WE ELECT ANOTHER TAX AND SPENDER?

So WHY is Rush saying one thing and 20% of CPAC supports a LIBERAL?

http://rushtellthetruth.blogspot.com/2008/08/open-letter-to -rush-limbaugh.html)

http://www.clearchannel.com/Corporate/PressRelease.aspx?Pre ssReleaseID=2239

A Confused “Reagan Democrat”

Sell off kalifornia?
Good idea.

Frightening times.

Whenever weakness is adored we are a system of reverse morphology. Time to take a look at ourselves in the mirror because today's excuses become tomorrow's reasons.

Words of Wisdom
"He is richest who is content with the least". I don't remember who said that,but I find them good words to live by.(Speaking of which!...Ratsy,I had beans-n-weenies again for dinner tonight.Didn't you hear me calling you?)

I AGREE A TAXPAYER REVOLT MIGHT WORK
IF WE ALL REVOLT ON THE TAXES IT WILL WORK
BUT WE CANT CHICKEN OUT...START A WEBSITE TO NOT TO PAY THESE TAXES...AND TO FIGHT THIS ABUSE FRAUD AND THEFT FROM THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
ESP WHEN I HEAR THE ATTORNEY GENERAL CALL US ALL TRAITORS...WELL HE COMMITTS TREASON...LIKE THE REST OF THEM...WE CAN DEFEAT THEM WITH A HUGE RESISTANCE OF TAXPAYERS WHO WONT PAY..
JOHN J REARDON
us army retired hard

Andrew1218

Andrew1218
Location: NY
Reply # 2
Date: Mar 1, 2009 - 1:29 AM EST Ask Not What Your...uh,,Ask Why Not
Ask why not ask for free handouts from my country until it is bankrupt and our grandchildren will have to pay off the Chinese, and sell parts of California, Hawaii and Arizona; Ask what else you can get before the other guy gets it while Obama, Pelosi & Reid are handing it out.
New Dem mantra==still working on it, you get the idea.
Submissions needed. Please go to DNC.com. Free prizes for all submissions. Winner gets vacation to Cancun.

~~~

Andrew1218,

What a great idea. Let us trade California for our Chinese debt.

We're then out of debt, and California soon would be out of debt.

California would then be parasite free, Mexico would regain several million of its former citizens, welfare leeches would then be employed, somewhere, or they would starve.

The gang-bangers would all be dead, and the off-shore oil would make China the most prosperous nation on earth.

Nancy pee-lousy, Fine-swine, Boxer of the AKC, and a host of wothless vermin would no longer be in our Senate and House of Reps.

Downside? Can't think of any, right now.



PRESIDENT LIES LIES LIES LACKS HONESTY
What we have just seen americans is the rebirth of AL COPONE from chicago.the worst lying mobster thief in history. Obama is his twin. If you read the last stimulus and missed his savy talk he stated no taxes for anyone over $250,000 but he also said he insitutes a NEW TAX on home heating oil, on gas (remember the 4-5 dollar gas its coming back) on electricity...your bills are going up up up...and natural gas...so what he says and what he does is like bait and switch lies hes no christian hes a HITLER and AL CAPONE in disguise..What we need says GATES, TRUMP, BUFFET and many economists is TAX CUTS...but he is lost with Pelosi and Reid pulling his strings...he will take away all your freedoms and rights and have the USA a SOCIALIST STATE...I am help to form groups to defeat this nut all the way..if your smart you will join to...to be a free american that can make as much as he wants and to be kept the freedoms proised in the constitution...this guy wants to change the constitution...We are in for a fight but over 60 million americans voted against this guy and next time around they wont know his name...
US Army retired hard

Rowdy
I agree. I have been saying for some time that I hope to one day see a massive taxpayer revolt in this country. They can't arrest tens of millions of taxpayers. I would like to see the taxpayers demand that Congress cut spending drastically or get out of the way. A massive taxpayer revolt would spread very quickly once people started to hear about it. I pay my taxes but often look at the amount of money the government deducts from my paycheck and think - What a waste of money! If the government would give us back more of our income in the form of lower taxes, millions of Americans would have more money to spend on propping up the economy. But, of course, O'Bumma is looking to do the exact opposite. He is letting the Bush tax cuts expire. Nothing like Democrats raising taxes during a recession to make businesses want to hire more people and expand their business (sarcasm intended). Then the Dumbocrats will be unable to figure why businesses lay off even more employees and/or look to outsource more jobs in order to offset the higher taxes they have to pay.

This column is
is very accurate. Remember every time you hear "We want Affordable Health Care!", what they really want is you to provide them health care at the expense of your own health care and that of your family.

So how are they going to get blood out of a turnip? How are you going to get free health care and free everything else when you run out of other people's money?

WELCOME TO THE IDIOCRACY
I will starve before I take a nickel from the Government.

I give to the Government, so they can be my lackeys.

When 30% of Americans decide not to send in thier taxes...then we will see who runs this country.

Can they arrest 35 million people? Where would they put us?

A tax revolt is going to happen at some point.

I pay my taxes faithfully now...

The Government does not use them faithfully. Ever.

Rowdy Boots

For a cogent analysis, see
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXBcmqwTV9s&feature=related

Ask Not What Your...uh,,Ask Why Not
Ask why not ask for free handouts from my country until it is bankrupt and our grandchildren will have to pay off the Chinese, and sell parts of California, Hawaii and Arizona; Ask what else you can get before the other guy gets it while Obama, Pelosi & Reid are handing it out.
New Dem mantra==still working on it, you get the idea.
Submissions needed. Please go to DNC.com. Free prizes for all submissions. Winner gets vacation to Cancun.

Hey
I want some of the millions they are throwing at failures. I could use a new ski boat. One of my cars has 303,000+ miles and another has 200,000+ miles. I need a couple of HD TVs to replace the older analog TVs. I could use some of the funds to send one of my kids to a private school and fund the others college tuition. Where do I send the bills to get everything paid for? Hey, it will stimulate the economy with my buying so many new things.
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