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Saturday, November 15, 2008
Austin Hill :: Townhall.com Columnist
"Meda Reform" And The Assault On Free Speech
by Austin Hill
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Is the United States about to face a constitutional challenge?

As we near completion of the first two weeks since Barack Obama’s election to the presidency, the path is being established for what I believe could be a serious challenge to the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, and the right to free speech that is protected therein. Any American who cares about such freedoms should be watching and listening very carefully. Unfortunately, it appears to me that most Americans are not.

As of late, much attention has been paid to the possibility of our federal government re-instating the so-called “Fairness Doctrine,” a regulatory policy that, earlier last century, required federally licensed broadcast outlets to present “important” and “controversial” subjects in a “balanced” and “equitable” fashion. The lifting of this regulation allowed for entertaining, highly opinionated, individual hosts to proliferate, thus giving rise to the media genre we know as “conservative talk radio” (it has also allowed for the emergence of “liberal talk radio,” although thus far this genre has not been as commercially successful as its conservative counterpart).

On June 29th of this year, I authored a column wherein I suggested that the antiquated “Fairness Doctrine” might be the least of our concerns. I further surmised that a President Obama and a Democratically controlled Congress may pursue something I termed “comprehensive media reform” - - a much broader, all-inclusive attempt to more fully regulate media content and ownership. I believe the stage is now set for such an effort. I’m imagining a rather sophisticated public relations campaign that would play out in the context of “experts” testifying before the next Congress, and “research” that would be reviewed in congressional investigations.

I envision something on the order of what the Clinton Administration and the Democratically controlled Congress did to tobacco companies back in the 90’s, only with broadcasting executives, and perhaps owners of web-based media outlets, being subpoenaed to answer questions under sworn oath.

Some will object to this comparison, given that tobacco is a verifiably dangerous product, and opinion based media is constitutionally protected. But I’m not assuming that factual truth, or constitutionality, matter to members of Congress.

Washington politicians have over the years very successfully demonized American industries that they don’t like - - both the tobacco and oil industries come to mind - - and have not only tarnished the ways in which those industries are viewed by millions of Americans, but have also achieved a wide array of “concessions” from those industries. Media owners, especially those who dare distribute “conservative content,” now need to be fully aware that their turn on Capitol Hill might be next.

Some of the “testimony” and “research” to be dramatized in the coming congressional show has already begun to emerge. For example, on September 30th of this year, Reuters news service published a “report” suggesting that conservative talk radio led to the initial failure of the calamity-preventing Wall Street ‘bail out” bill in the U.S. House. The article further suggested that Rush Limbaugh’s criticism of the bill caused stocks to “take a beating” and drove the world closer to global economic collapse, while syndicated talker Neal Boortz exacerbated matters by suggesting that more time was needed to allow the bill to “flesh itself out.”

Last week, “new media” took a hit as domestic terrorist-turned university professor William Ayers, in his much anticipated interview on ABC-TV’s “Good Morning America,” explained-away both his terrorist background AND his personal friendship with President-elect Obama. Why did he wait until after the election to answer questions about he and Obama? Because, he explained, he didn’t want to give credence to the “dishonest narrative” that was being spread around about him by internet bloggers.

Additionally, Ayers claimed in a written essay last week that John McCain didn’t participate in that “dishonest narrative” that tied Obama to his terrorist past, until McCain did a one-on-one interview with Sean Hannity. From there, the presidential campaign turned vitriolic - - all because of Hannity and the Fox Newschannel.

Additionally, Media Matters, a liberal, Washington, DC-based think tank group has for some time been compiling and publishing “research” on both local and national conservative talk radio hosts. Last week, Media Matters released a report documenting how conservative radio’s “vitriol” has not been “reserved for Obama,” and has targeted women, minorities, “immigrants,” and “autistic children.”

None of the incidents that they sight rise to the level of libel, or would be legally actionable, and are all based on individual hosts’ opinions. Yet they are nonetheless characterized as “attacks” that are intended to “foment hate and suspicion.”

The “Fairness Doctrine,” as it was once known, may or may not be on the horizon. But a plea to "stop the hate" is almost certainly in the works, and a call for “media reform” will necessarily follow.

Constitutionally protected “free speech” doesn’t matter nearly as much as people’s ability to create perceptions about that speech, and the stage is set for a full-scale demonization of conservative talk media on Capitol Hill.

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Austin Hill is a Talk Show Host At Boise, Idaho's 580 KIDO Radio, and a frequent Guest Host on the Fox Newstalk Radio Network. He is the Author of "White House Confidential: The Little Book Of Weird Presidential History," And Co-Author of the forthcoming title "The Virtues Of Capitalism: A Moral Case For Free Markets" (Northfield/Moody Press, 2010).
 
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No big deal.
As far as I know all the radio loudmouths are conservative white guys with just a couple of women. You had your chance to diversify on your own and you didn't do it. Things have changed now and you don't own the airwaves-get used to it.

About Joey's NO BIG DEAL
I absolutely 100% disagree with U on this one!!!-I've never listened to ANY talk radio show and don't expect to, I spent 25 years in the Military, hopefully helping to insure a Person's right to engage in Free Speech!!
I sincerely hope the Author, who "has a dog in this fight" is wrong about this..However I stand ready to scream and holler at both my Senators if any serious attempt is ever made in this regard..Sen. Byrd loves to discuss the Constitution, so we'll see how this plays..CHEERS

it's flawed!
As our new president has stated, the constitution is flawed. I tend to think flawed beyond repair and in need of replacement. We need something put together by men, and women, who don't own other human beings.

Only the war on Christmas is more of a
rightwing fantasy then bringing back the Fairness Doctrine.You might have noticed that conservatives got wiped out in the election with the help of conservative yakkers droning on about Ayers,Wright,and fear and smear.With two unending wars and a financail meltdown the lowest priority will be finding balance for how many times Limbaugh,Hannity,Savage,Beck call Obama a Marxist,Commie,Socialist.

Joey Is Such A Sweet Name
The more you fish for a comment the more you will get.
NO one has Ever stopped the libs from having their own talk radio show. The host thus far have been just too stupid and boring to keep the attention of the audience much less maintain financial support without government intervention, ie:PBS radio.Your gloating will not last long. And who are these people that own other human beings? Sweetheart get a little history. The largest slave ownership in Mississippi in those years Was a BLACK man. Many blacks owned other blacks early on.Get over yourself. You are the one spouting all the hate. last, have you actually ever read the Constitution? I think not because that is the only reason bobbers like you have the right to mouth off without going to jail as it is in most countries that you so dearly adore. Have a grand Sunday and maybe go pray. I'll be cleaning my guns. Night Sweety

joey
joey that is the problem with liberals. Diversity has nothing to do with race or sex. Diversity is diversity of opinion and ideas. But of course typical of liberal idiots like you, you have no clue about anything in this world. You just think you do you arrogant idiot. Go home to the daily kos where you belong. And are you so stupid that you haven't figured it out yet that Obama isn't going to give you the money he promised you for libeling and smearing people. Just ask the workers in Indianapolis.

FOR ALL YOU WHITE MEN & WOMEN PER JOEY
the article was a very well written piece of factual information. thanks! the left believes in all this privacy and freedom of speech, just as long as it is their speech.
THAT IS A FACT

R729
well said

the CENSUS!!
Look folks, I'm not trying to flame anyone but the only group that believes that right wing stuff is dying out. And we WILL do right by those who have risked all to come here under President Obama. I'm sure you have some horrible name for these people but I call them Democrats. Why don't you work with us to achieve something wonderful?

Dying Out?
You really don't have a clue do ya? Work with you? Why didn't you work with us during President Bush's terms? Huh? AND they are NOT Democrats, they are Socialist!!! Do you know the difference???? No one is dying out and you can be sure of this. Last I wouldn't give Bahama the scraps I feed my dog. Evidently you have very little knowledge of his future plans for this country.
I go to work to earn money for me and MY family. Since when did the "government" get the right to treat me as a fool and tax me differently because I spent all my money getting an education, not waiting on handouts from the gov. for votes?

Something Wonderful?
I just reread what you wrote. I gotta go PUKE
He is President ELECT, not president. geezz
I'll bet you are 19-22 years old.

Joey, It's flawed!
Obama has not proven that he is a natural born citizen, which is a constitutional requirement for a person to be the POTUS. Since he cannot satisfy this requirement and play by the rules, then the constitution must be flawed. That document should be completely shredded and rewritten to exactly accommodate Obama's qualifications and viewpoints. But then, it would probably have a lot of holes and obscurities in it. You go, Joey, and draft a new, relevant and diverse constitution for us.

What's in a name?
"Fairness Doctrine"!!! Sounds innocent to me! Who wouldn't want a little more "fairness" in their life? Oh it just sounds so innocent, doesnt it?? Them propagandists are working overtime, and the journalists are delivering the message!! You go ahead and suck up the koolaid, joey, and pretty soon you'll find yourself in a third world country, SUCKER!!

What to do
If the "Fairness Doctrine" is reinstituted, I propose the following strategy: any time(ie daily) the MSM offers its slanted opinions as news to file lawsuits against every local outlet of the network in question demonstrating the biased coverage in an objective analysis and demanding equal time to present an opposing view. Previously, such an opportunity only applied to "editorial content", but the distinction between news and editorial content has become invisible.

The sad part

The sad part is all the Liberal groups will applaud as Obama's administration attempts to restrict freedom.

Each of the Liberal groups have their own particular agenda and will put that agenda ahead of the good of the nation.

Hate Speech
Had the term been in use then, Tom Paine would have been accused of "hate speech."
It is interesting that most of the people who object to talk radio have never listened to it.

Moonbat....
...When I first heard of the "Fairness Doctrine" I recommended the same thing.The conservatives in Congress should announce publicly that if the "Fairness Doctrine" is instituted,the very first one's they are coming after is the MSM!Demand that ABC,CBS,NBC,PBS balance ALL reporting.Put the fear of god in the MSM and this "Fairness Doctrine" will be killed immediately!

Joey: does stupidity run in your family
But I'm with Roy, only did 23 and 2 tours in Nam while Ayers and Dorhn were doing their best to kill my family...but the Constitution is the reason, not JFK< LBJ or any other clown who can pull the wool over the electorates eyes. Now BO, having done a supurb job of conning the people of color, and sucking up to the money gets his chance. Barak Obama, BEST PRESIDENT MONEY COULD BUY....

Remember Radio Free Europe?
Anyone out there old enough to remember Radio Free Europe; is some country, say Cuba, going to start Radio Free America, if the Fairness Doctrine is implemented? If you aren't old enough to remember Radio Free Europe, do a search on the internet.

MEDIA FAIRNESS INITIATIVE
Congressman Lamar Smith will be proposing a "Media Fairness Initiative" which will strongly support a free press and not condone any form of censorship. Go to his website and click on "Issues & Legislation" to become familiar with this legislation. There is also a link to the Media Researach Center. This is the time that we must let our voices be heard to all of our legislators regardless of party. We can no longer stand passively by and allow our guaranteed freedoms to gradually disappear. Thomas Jefferson once said, "the only security for all is a free Press."

We may have lost the battle, but we can't lose the war on our freedoms. This election and Obama proved to us how easily they can be pulled away from us.

fight back
It’s time to fight back; time to play hardball, there is no in between.

A call to boycott the bias mainstream media. Please take the time to indicate in your comments, along with your regular response, if you will boycott the mainstream media. All I am asking for is a short response, such as, YES I WILL BOYCOTT THE BIAS MAINSTREAM MEDIA.

• Who is behind this call to boycott the bias mainstream media? Me, a concerned American citizen, who believes we are all responsible for our country.
• Who provides money for this campaign? Me, a concerned American citizen, who believes we are all responsible for our country.
• What is the objective of this campaign? To gather all the responses to my inquiry and send them to the bias mainstream media (ABC, CBS, NBC, NYT, LATIMES, etc.) – (locally WGN, Chicago Sun-Times, Chicago tribune, etc.) and their advertisers
• What do you want from the bias mainstream media? Only that they openly acknowledge their bias, let the American people know exactly what their agenda is without pretense. Example: New York Time-A liberal publication.
• About me- An American citizen residing in Chicago Illinois-married- four children- earning less then $100,000 a year-consider myself a conservative-have vote for both Republicans and Democrats.
Thank you

Ready for the Revolution
Our indolent citizens voted for a dishonest thug to sit in our oval office. Do these people even listen to the news? Our country has become a cess pool and now we have pond scum seeping into the White House. I would actually like to dare barry to attempt to take away my rights to hear the truth on conservative talk radio, news print or television. I will stand with the Americans if the winds of change isn't in my favor.

Talk radio is not a god
Too much credit is given the conservative talk radio illuminati for running the country. Good grief. Have we no independent thinkers in Washington? The First Amendment will prove indelible in the long ruin, I believe. Of greater concern to freedom-loving Americans should be Obama's campaign promise to sign the Freedom of Choice Act into law. This bill would reverse all the legislative measures that have proved to limit unnecessary abortions for decades. Human life or human words? Which is most precious?

I HAVE BOYCOTTED THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA
My boycott of the Bias Mainstrem Media started months ago. Who needs them?

SheerFaith
Both. You cannot make concessions with freedom.

It's a "Censorship Doctrine!"

There is nothing "fair" about it, nor is it intended to be "fair." And it is most certainly NOT Constitutional!

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

http://topics.law.cornell.edu/wex/First_amendment

"The First Amendment of the United States Constitution protects the right to freedom of religion and freedom of expression from government interference. Freedom of expression consists of the rights to freedom of speech, press, assembly and to petition the government for a redress of grievances, and the implied rights of association and belief. The Supreme Court interprets the extent of the protection afforded to these rights. The First Amendment has been interpreted by the Court as applying to the entire federal government even though it is only expressly applicable to Congress. Furthermore, the Court has interpreted, the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment as protecting the rights in the First Amendment from interference by state governments."


Why Not?
The only solution to this problem is to include all network and cable channels and all newspapers in the Fairness Doctrine. How gracious Conservatives in Congress can be as they insist the fairness for radio must be fairness for all media.

Finally somebody gets it . . .
"But I’m not assuming that factual truth, or constitutionality, matter to members of Congress."

--Right on.

Working on my own mind
It is so twisted. I have been one to call out for control of the television broadcast to keep the filth and the sexual products off the screen, but now I see how malleable that thought
has become.

The only way we can safely change that material is by our voice. Unfortunately it seems that the greater percentange of people are willing to "let it rip," and rip it has.

With all the intelligence here at TownHall, I've become more aware of the naivte of my thinking processes in regards to society.

How do we organize?


YES I WILL BOYCOTT THE BIAS MAINSTREAM M
Patrick Yes we all have to ban together against Obama who wishes to ruin our country and while you are at it we need to find a way to stop him from changing the Freedom of Choice Act. Most people just don't get what this change would do. They don't believe Drs. would do such a thing as abort a baby up to 9 months. We need to eduucate these people and watch every move Obama does. I for one do not want to live under a dictatorship--Bombard your Congress representative just like you did during the initail stages of the economic crisis. They will listen because they want to be elected gain.

Warning: Make NO bargains on free speech

If you try to work with them, and support media “reform” in any
fashion whatsoever, you will find that the Socialist Democrats
will apply the new “Fairness Doctrine” the same way they apply
the voter registration laws like “Motor Voter.”

To their benefit and no one else’s.

Remember, these are the people who think that Big Media is in
the center, and Fox News is FAR to the right- right- right.

Do not even DREAM that you will ever apply any standards of
fairness and balance to the Big Media-

Honest journalism died long ago.

Hill writes: "Any American who cares

about such freedoms should be watching and listening very carefully. Unfortunately, it appears to me that most Americans are not."

It was amazing to me, even last May, after Michelle Obama commented "for the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country." and the media took note, Marxist Obama appeared on GMA and called the GOP tactic "low class" and "detestable."

BHO said, "But I do want to say this to the GOP. If they think that they're going to try to make Michelle an issue in this campaign, they should be careful. Because that I find unacceptable."

NO ONE seemed to recognize just how THREATENING that statement was... "... should be careful... Because I find it unacceptable!"

Then, when Joe the plumber simply asked a legitimate and pertinent question and Marxist Obama was caught saying exactly what he'd been trying to hide. Every bit of Joe's personal and private information was ILLEGALLY dug up and splattered ALL OVER the internet, and Marxist Obama and Bozo Biden spent the next few weeks ridiculing Joe in public.

And then there's Barbara West, who also asked a legitimate and pertinent question of Biden, and not only was Mrs. Biden's subsequent interview on that station cancelled, ALL subsequent interviews were cancelled until after the election... AND, it was suggested that West be fired.

IS NO ONE SEEING A PATTERN HERE!




Mary Hogan asks: "How do we organize?"

My daughter, who lives in VA, is homeschooling her children!

She is already planning a lesson in "Government and civil disobedience" when this "Censorship Doctrine" is passed.

She and the kids will be peacefully marching, pitchforks in hand, outside the Capitol Bldg.

In fact, she's still checking with Discovery Toys to find plastic pitchforks for the kids.




SELF CENSORING CONSERVATIVE MEDIA
Where was the CONSERVATIVE media's extensive coverage on BO's PARTNERSHIPS with Ayers, Raila Odinga, Rezko, the Marxist Chicago Democratic Socialists (see the New Party), and Farrakhan among many, many others? Where were they when BO approved checks for Ayers' (see the anti-American "Peace School") and Acorn's "educational" projects, in addition to rubber stamping a $75,000 grant to Rashid Khalidi, a Yasser Arafat protege in the PLO, while Chairman of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge and as a board member of the Woods Foundation?

When he supported Black Liberation Theology ("Get Whitey") with thousands of dollars both as a community "organizer" and as a member of his "church," and employed influential Nation of Islam adherents on his Illinois Senate staff?

When as late as 2006, he supported Marxist murderer Raila Odinga in Kenya?

Where was the majority of conservative media (other than Rush) on the Dhimmicrat Congressional "leadership's" responsibility for the financial collapse by requiring Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to set aside 50% of mortgages to individuals who could not hope to repay allowing those "guidelines" to be adopted by the private sector? Where was conservative media on Republican warnings well prior to the crisis?

Revelations of the facts above (which had a plethora of video and documentary support) in any real depth by the the conservative media (much less the MSM) should have doomed BO's campaign.

Of course the leftists in congress have targeted conservative talk radio. But why, in this election, did conservative talk radio self censor itself?

The lesson: The "Gentleman Johnnie" approach doesn't work. Adopt the Dhimmicrat methodology: Smile, but go for the jugular!

BTW - I have refused to watch Dhimmicrat cheerleading networks' "news" for a long time.


Chord: Make NO bargains AT ALL!

Remember, Marxist Obama is IN FAVOR of CardCheck as well!!!

Today NO private "union vote."
Tomorrow, NO private "election vote."


William
Laugh it up!

Now BO has to prove he can govern, rather than read "pretty" speeches.

We'll all be here, with a big "Told you so" as your paycheck (if you are employed) is redistributed!

patriotic: Sean Hannity was ALL OVER IT!

In fact, Hannity was all over Marxist Obama's pastor, Rev. Wright, as well as Ayers, a FULL YEAR before anyone else picked up on it...

And note, Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity are the two who are in the liberal "cross hairs" right off the top with this "Censorship Doctrine."

In fact, Hannity was all over Marxist Obama's pastor, Rev. Wright, a full YEAR before anyone else picked up on it...

And note, Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity are the two who are in the liberal "cross hairs" right off the top with this "Censorship Doctrine."


patriotic: Just IGNORE wee weenie fr NJ!

He's an idiot deviant, with nothing of worth to say.

"Claims" he owns some business... Doubtful, but if he does, we'll all be doing our "told ya so" dance when the Union pays his firm a visit and his employees have to vote via "CardCheck" ... out in the open, IN FRONT OF the Union Officials.

While I'm absolutely opposed to "CardCheck," wee weenie's place would the the perfect place for it to happen. LOL

Re: Nothing left that's American........
The day liberals squash talk radio aka the opposing view in my humble opinion will be the end of our freedom as we've known all of our life and it no longer will be America. Land of the free home of the brave or the 2nd part because OF THE the brave. Yes oh yes liberals loath the opposing view voiced like Hitler and all dicatator their slogan will be think like I do or [don't] think at all. Under Saddem if you opposed that evil monster you were viciously [raped) for women followed by a gruesome death and men watched their women raped then also died a horrible death too. Obama claims he wants to be [everyone's] President that applies as long we we [agree] with him and his parties way of thinking that's not America it's more like a 3rd world socialst dictating government rule Not America. So if his party silence's the opposing view that tells me their insecure of the so call message they want to convey. Fear NOT my fellow American's silencing our 1st Amendment won't be the big tobacco or like liberals love to say BIG BAD OIL oh no it will be 100 times worse we'll then live in a dictatorship and there must be a leader it will be none other that Barack HUSSEIN Obama what is he afraid of. Hitler was afraid if the opposition spoke he's lose his leadership his power as did Saddam (many more throughout our history to mention here but you get my point! Why hold elections the opposition won't have their way of getting out their message.Joey who called us LOUD MOUTH there's a soldier of the dicator Obama good boy job nicely done however, he won't have his voice heard either no talk radio will fill the airwaves he too will be silenced and it will take our next President a Republican to show us our Freedom of speech and the Joey's of this country will be cutting their noses off to spite their faces. Be careful what you wish for or work hard for like the saying goes "people who throw stone shouldn't live in glass house's" good advice Joey.

How do we organize?

I just joined a grassroots conservative effort to
RESIST Obama's liberal agenda.

Please go here to join
with me:

http://www.grassfire.org/111/petition.asp?PID=18671472&NID =1

Can Censorship Be Restrained?
Beware, conservatives. You and your fellow Americans who cherish the free market of ideas have your work cut out for you. Frankly, the prospects of successfully restraining liberal party-first types from usurping your 1st amendment rights and imposing censorship are, at best, dim. Unless, of course, you keep the pressure on in a very big and relentless way from here on out. I wish ourselves good luck. But, I'm really scared for my country. Really scared.

Boycott Sponsors, Hound Congress
The problem with Liberals is that they believe they are entitled to lie, distort, and skew both national and international events with impunity. Notice that they have now began calling lying 'dissembling' in an attempt to deceive the public. But this is not working. If politicians were truly interested in 'fairness,' there would be severe penalties, such as court action, for this doctoring of the truth that has been occurring for about 40 years now. This past election cycle was the ultimate in indoctrination tactics and, upon occasion, overt lying. Liberals care nothing at all about the truth, they care only about the suppression of American liberties, including freedom of thought and freedom of speech.

Liberals are the nastiest, most hateful bunch on earth, including the radical Muslims, and I have to snicker when they begin lecturing the American public about these very issues. If you don't believe me, look at some of the posts on this site and watch a few programs like 'The View.' I, like Reba, quit watching television long ago, however, I have begun to tune in long enough to find the sponsors of offensive programs. A nice boycott and an outcry against those sponsors will do more to stop this assault than any other tactic I can think of; that and hounding legislators. The Liberals have no business trying to foist their brand of 'morality' on the nation because, the fact is, that they have no morals.

Sheri: Thanks. :-) Just joined and

emailed the link.......

Thanks again.

Joey in NE
So some of the posters here, along with the anti-American Obama, believe that the Constitution is a flawed document? I think this really means that you folks believe that the Constitutional protections should be stripped from the people so that either a seriously repressive federal government or a dictatorship can be formed. Can anyone seriously imagine a new constitution being written by a bunch of ninnies who are incapable of riding a bicycle without protective gear, a bunch of dolts who must have the government provide food, housing, health care and sustenance, and a bunch of functional illiterates who can't perform so simple a task as balancing a checkbook, or a cadre of those who despise the United States? Wouldn't that be a fine, sustainable document!

And BTW, Joey, when people depend upon the government for every aspect of their lives- housing, health care, food, laws to 'protect them,' they are owned by the government. They are enslaved.

Hill is right
They'll go after the 1st amendment the same way they went after the 2nd: endless stories about damage done, till the people themselves cry out for "regulation" for the "public safety."

Conservatives need to learn something liberals have known for years: you can say anything, you just have to say it the right way. A teacher can't say that a student is "dumber than a box of rocks." However, she can say the student "finds it challenging to process information received auditorially or visually, and suffers from an attention deficit disorder that disadvantages her academically. Is also working on improving her choices socially."

A cultural anthropologist can't say "Mexicans are always late." But he can say "Central American culture has a more fluid approach to time, and deadlines are traditionally perceived in a less urgent way than in Anglo culture."

Once you learn the lingo, you can say anything. But liberals HATE plain speaking. It sounds too much like their uneducated grandparents, of whom they are ashamed. Remember: liberalism is class warfare. They're trying to wipe out what they think the conservative class consists of: barbaric, uneducated white people who somehow manage to thrive without government handouts.

We're going to have to go undercover, folks.

Cons. were not *wiped out*
56,000,000 votes is not a wipe out. We happened not to have 12 people registered in the Ohio River or 200,000 under park benches. We didn't drive shills from NYC out to be stuffed into houses or 12-20 people so they could vote.

Libs. will turn the US into a banana rep. whose vote is worth nothing with ACORN and Rock the Vote krap predominating.

You know what the *fair* Big Bro O will brings to the 1st Amendment when you saw a pres. candidate attack a citizen, *Joe the Plumber,* for asking a simple question. and the media rape of Sarah Palin for daring to be governor the the US' most prosperous state and having a Downs syndrome child she didn't abort. Quel horrors.

Rush and Hannity can go to offshore, use satellite radio, and FOX can broadcast by satellite from anywhere.

And for all the lib. idiots who bother to waste their time here maundering about how much they hate cons. and how much smarter they are, FOX was the #1 channel for all the debates, and it doesn't have 1/2 the affiliates and outlets of CBS because many people trust it more than Katie Cutie-pie, who has managed to lose more viewers than even Dan Rather, and he put the once gold-standard CBS in third place before he was fired for lying in the guise of news.

NOT ALL OF THE VOTING PUBLIC WAS AWARE
I ask several people why they voted for Obama and never received a clear answer. When I added the question, "What is your opinion of his associations with Ayers, Wright, & Kahlini?", some of them actually said, "I don't know who you are talking about". Believe it or not, not every American is tied to their TV sets and radios for daily information being busy with jobs and family. If they only watched main stream media, they were not well informed. Many Americans who live abroad usually have only CNN or the BBC for current news. These were my main sources when I lived in another county. The Voice of America broadcast is often jammed in some countries. Is this what we want?

Poor William, who post here, is so mixed up he does not realize what he is writing. Maybe he has watched too much main stream media, good example of what one stream of air waves does to the brain.

The Line in the Sand
I suspect that between the Obama administration and a giddy congress controlled by Democrats, that the temptation to silence the remaining outlet of information not conforming to government talking points and propaganda will be too great to pass up.

It will be at this point that we shall see just who the "majority" is in this country. If congress actually implements what will be a clear violation of the free speech clause in the bill of rights, "It" will hit the fan in a very big way.

Congress may be "feeling its Oats" right now but make no mistake, should they implement the fairness doctrine, it will be a "bridge too far."

KATZ #48: Nailed THAT ONE!

"The problem with Liberals is that they believe they are entitled to lie, distort, and skew both national and international events with impunity."

Joey #1, who said "... you had your chance to diversify..." Typical liberal lie for "... you had your chance to "do it OUR WAY."

And these intellectually limited libbies post such nonsense... often pure, unadulterated LIES on TH, as if it was truth!

But then, we NOW KNOW they are certifiable!!

"Liberals clinically mad, concludes top psychiatrist"

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56494

"Eminent doctor makes case leftist ideology is a mental disorder"

"Just when liberals thought it was safe to start identifying themselves as such, an acclaimed, veteran psychiatrist is making the case that the ideology motivating them is actually a mental disorder
.
"'Based on strikingly irrational beliefs and emotions, modern liberals relentlessly undermine the most important principles on which our freedoms were founded,' says Dr. Lyle Rossiter, author of the new book, 'The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness.' 'Like spoiled, angry children, they rebel against the normal responsibilities of adulthood and demand that a parental government meet their needs from cradle to grave."

free speech
We all know that the only free speech allowed in this nation is liberal free speech.Look what they did to Joe the plumber and Hussein wasn't even elected yet.How much do you want to bet that the individuals responsible for that will not be punished.

"Line in the Sand" is right on!
DanNV, I'm with you, brother. On my property, the Culpepper flag flies proudly beneath Old Glory as a constant reminder of our obligations and commitment to America and our way of life. "They" cross that "line in the sand", and "they" will more than hear from a majority of real Americans whom are not yet blinded or indoctrinated with all that inane--and dangerous--liberal gibberish. By the way, I too joined grassfire.org. I suggest we all do. It's a start.

Reba writes: "NOT ALL OF THE VOTING

PUBLIC WAS AWARE."

That IS absolutely the TRUTH!

While I saw scenarios like this countless times, the one that stands out in my memory the MOST was when a number of people in Phila. were interviewed...

The interviewer asked people if they supported A)Obama, but read what was actually McCain's agenda... or supported B)McCain, and read what was actually Obama's agenda.

WITHOUT FAIL, they all said "Obama" and what turned out to be McCain's plan!

And then we CANNOT forget all the people WHO SAID they voted for Obama BECAUSE HE IS BLACK!


What's difficult is to tell which

liberals truly are:

1. Clinically mad AND Intellectually limited

. . . . . . . . OR . . . . . . .

2. Clinically mad but NOT Intellectually limited.



Somehow, they all just sound the SAME!!!


The Liberal Filter
To all possessed with liberal derangement syndrome and who enjoy their verbal jousts on this "conservative" website, we will be installing a filter that will detect you by name and content. Your opinions and posts will be silenced.

Think of it as "a fairness doctrine" to the exclusive opinions and perspectives for conservatives. You can reply as soon as your blood stops boiling over the audacity of the idea.

DanNV: VERY GOOD idea! :-)


Actually, it's an EXCELLENT idea!

Media Matters
I heard a great idea the other day, think it was from Mark Levin (a Constitutional Lawyer) that stated that Media Matters is a 501(c)3 "not for profit" organization that takes federal dollars, and is afforded tax breaks. The suggestion was for Americans to file complaints to the Internal Revenue Service for investigations into their tax exempt status. In researching the IRS web site, I was able to find the 501(c)3 section, and indeed they do violate their tax exempt status by supporting both a single party and even a single candidate, both via email distribution and their own website.
I have compiled the forms, written a complaint and have since sent this into the IRS.
Beat them at their own game. If Media Matters qualifies for tax breaks, so could Rush Limbaugh....
The law is that they have to investigate EVERY claim!
'

garryb: GREAT IDEA! And I believe the

same is true for NPR as well...

May as well hit them all while we're at it!!!


Anne
I got really busy, but you are correct. We need to teach the next generation how beautiful freedom was before the "control."

I can't wait to read the rest of the comments after lunch.

We need to stop the conjecture of even Fox Media. Speculation and supposition has given us a generation of idiots who think they are brilliant.

Erase the panels and really look for people who are on the correct path, Fox. You need a Dr. Sowell as a filter. You need real genius and not the pretty little fluffy kinda smart sorta people who have brilliant hairdressers, and degrees from the cookie cutter machine.

Rupert Murdock needs to stop being so wishy washy. He needs to get rid of the sexual pharmaceuticals, and really put together a team of brilliant people. We are suffering from Pelosi-itis. These people are the cockatial geniuses with zero brain cells.


Give me the Jennifer Griffith's, but don't ruin them with Ivy League focus groups.

So to all of those
that think the Fairness Doctrine is so 'fair' and the Constitution fundamentally flawed...I wonder what you are going to do when the President Elect or any administration gets tired of listening to you.

The sword cuts both ways.

Be careful what you wish for you just may get it.

SheerFaith
If someone shuts you up, you won't even be able to tell people that it's life you are trying to protect.

Free speech comes first, always. And is always the first right to go.

William
you are a d@mned racist idiot

Koolmuse
Where are you?

Will you marry?



Me.

Hey!!
What happened to "joey"??

Constitutional Crisis Already?
We are already facing a Constitutional crisis that is being largely ignored by not only the Liberal-dominated, in the tank for Obama media but also by other media including Internet opinion sources like Townhall.com.
Due to the massive ignoring it is difficult to tell if there is fire as well as smoke, but several online blog sources are presenting reasonable evidence that Obama is not a U.S. natural born citizen as required by Art. II, Sect. 1 of the Constitution.
Obama himself has also presented evidence that he is not a U.S. natural born citizen. He has done so by refusing to provide a copy of a believable birth certificate showing he was born in Hawaii. Rather his campaign posted a birth certificate only online that appears a fake due to its obvious differences from other birth certificates produced in Hawaii for a baby born in the year of his birth.
If he has proof of his birth in Hawaii he could have stopped long ago any action regarding the place of his birth and the challenges alleging he is not a U.S. natural born citizen. He is not likely to do that unless compelled by the Fourth Estate of the media, the courts or legislature to do so.
Thus I will appreciate some media getting on that and putting the pressure on him, the courts and the Congress. After all it took the National Enquirer to push out the story about John Edwards’ love child.

Ronald/FL: I have been saying that

"should" it be determined that Marxist BHO actually NOT be eligible to be POTUS, there would be a huge Constitutional crisis.

HOWEVER, I'm realizing that NOW, while these two petitions are being reviewed, and Marxist Obama has until Dec. 1st to produce a valid birth cert., that we are NOW... RIGHT NOW, in the throws of a Constitutional crisis.

The mere fact that someone could:

1. officially throw his/her hat into the ring, without valid proof of eligibility;

2. get his/her party's nomination, without valid proof of eligibility;

3. win the nomination, without valid proof of eligibility;

4. be elected, without valid proof of eligibility;

is already a true Constitutional crisis.


If you are ordered by the Supreme Court to produce documents, it's really a good thing to DO IT! However, WE already know, as do Justice Thomas and Justice Souter, I'm sure, the contempt (no pun intended..LOL) Obama feels about the Constitution and the US Supreme Court.

Ronad/FL: Here's more info.....
"'Constitutional crisis' looming over Obama's birth location"

Alan Keyes lawsuit warns America may see 'usurper' in Oval Office

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80931

"The California secretary of state
should refuse to allow the state's 55 Electoral College votes to be cast in the 2008 presidential election until President-elect Barack Obama verifies his eligibility to hold the office, alleges a California court p etition filed on behalf of former presidential candidate Alan Keyes and others.

"The legal action today is just the latest is a series of challenges, some of which have gone as high as the U.S. Supreme Court, over the issue of Obama's status as a 'natural-born citizen,' a requirement set by the U.S. Constitution.

"WND senior reporter Jerome Corsi even traveled to Kenya and Hawaii prior to the election to investigate issues surrounding Obama's birth. But his research and discoveries only raised more questions.

"The biggest question is why Obama, if a Hawaii birth certificate exists, simply hasn't ordered it made available to settle the rumors."

FREE? SPEECH
I get it:
Speech will remain FREE for
liberals
radicals
mainstream media
terrorists
gays
abortionists
illegal aliens
lobbyists
moveon.org
GDing America pastors
unproud spouses
and most 'celebrities'
For the rest of us, speech won't be 'FREE', we will 'PAY', either through the nose or in solitary confinement. The newly created Domestic Security Force will be there to 'Take us Away, Away'.

Media Control
Fairness in the media is a joke at best, the media is nothing but a select group of people with a specific agenda no matter what its company motto is. President Obama is going to have deal with the economy for all of his first year then only after the economy stablizes will the country have to fear something crazy. Some form of Universal Health Care is coming out in the first hundred days in the name of change. It took nine months in Hawaii to remove the taste for the citizens. Obama is from Hawaii, that change did not work. The constitution is not in any harm.

Constitution Flawed?
Would those who think that the Constitution is flawed please tell me what changes you would like to make. Which part do you dislike the most? Which parts do you approve of? How would you make it better? Sound almost like you want to scrap it entirely.
In the 18th century it was decided that the Articles of Confederation (this was the original basis of the U.S. government) were not working and so they created "A more perfect union" in the Constitution so as to correct the deficiencies of the Articles. If you truly believe that we need to change our form of government then by all means let's discuss it. Give us an idea what you what to change to. But do please remember that those of us who believe in the current form of government will not put up with an attempt to overthrough our government through either force or trickery and most of us actively exercise our Second Amendment rights.
Explain yourselves.

To Anne
Do you really think the liberal judges in California will accept the Alan Keyes petition regarding Obama's birth certificate? Why should the Supreme Court demand that Obama produce a birth certificate after the last election was decided by the supreme court. I won't be surprised if neither of these petitions to the courts are heard. I think they should be ruled on because if they are not a cloud will hang over Obama Boy's entire administration.

Let's say it does happen, who will be the President, Joe Biden and Pelosi as VP. That's a pair to worry about!

Ronald/FL and Anne/PA
I am in total agreement with your posts #78-#80. That's what I was referring to in my post, which was written tongue-in-cheek and prompted by the twelve posts before it. I see no intrinsic flaws in our constitution and the amendments to it. I think that Obama knows the requirements, which he cannot honestly meet, so he has sown the seeds of crisis by calling the constitution flawed---it doesn't meet his needs. It makes him ineligible. So, focus on a couple more controversial subjects, like free speech and secret ballots, and nobody will notice this very fundamental tidbit because they all will be concerned about the potential loss of other individual rights. Hey, it's just a minor technicality---can't let it get in the way of the plan. Maybe this will become a real crisis when he tries to change the constitution after the fact...the fact that he has misled everyone from the begining of his career, not just this past political circus.

Response from "my" Senator Durbin
I wrote a letter to Durbin voicing my concerns about the so called "Fairness Doctrine". His response:
"The public airwaves are a limited resource owned by the American people. The federal government has the right to set ground rules on their behalf regarding how the airwaves are used, as it does the indecent content and the Emergency Alert System.
Basic government regulation of broadcasting dates all the way back to the early days of broadcasting. For 80 years, Congress has limited the issuance and renewal of broadcasting licenses to stations that are able to demonstrate that they will serve the public interest.
Nearly 60 yrs ago, the FCC clarified that the public interest requires stations to offer a portion of their airtime to coverage of controversial issues and to provide a reasonable opportunity for the presentation of contrasting viewpoints. This standard became known as the "Fairness Doctrine".
The US Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of the "FD" in a landmark 1969 decision. When there are more people who want to broadcast than frequencies available, the Court ruled, there is not an absolute First Amendment right of every individual to broadcast what they wish. The Court allowed the government to require that many voices be given the opportunity to be heard on the limited number of frequencies.
to be continued...

Letter from Durbin cont.
"In the mid-80's, the FCC abruptly claimed that the "FD" was no longer necessary, and then announced that it would no longer enforce it. Congress responded by approving legislation restoring the "FD", but Pres. Reagan vetoed the measure. We have a significant consolidation of the media in the 20 years since the FCC's decision. Many of the smaller voices that used to be heard in the era of the "FD" face hurdles in their effort to share their perspective with the American people. Under the "FD", the smaller, single-ownership stationsthat dominated the market had to be responsive to the concerns of their local communities." to be continued

Letter from Durbin cont'd
"Now, many local TV network affiliates and popular radio stations are owned and controlled by huge media conglomerates and there is no "FD" to ensure balance. Large media companies also own most of the popular cable and satellite television networks.
The airwaves are still an important source of information for millions of Americans, and concerns persist about the degree tow hich broadcast stations present the range of viewpoints present in the communities they serve. I appreciate having your thoughts on this matter, and I will keep your views in mind in case the Senate considers legislation on this topic"

Now could someone please decipher what all that babble was trying to convey? I fell asleep halfway through it ! Thanks !

Ex KGB Agent Uri Bezmenov
I hope everyone has seen this video of former KGB agent Uri Bezmenov explaining how Marxists take over a country. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlkPkJInUmU It is on dozens of blogs now.

After you watch this video you will realize how it is impossible to teach the brainwashed liberals anything. In all likelihood it is already to late to save America. Very scary stuff. But it is at least good to hear what happens to the useful idiots in the long run.

If the "Fairness Doctrine" is passed
would that mean we will be able to watch Hugh Hewitt, Michael Medved and others like them on TV or Cable TV? Can you see Rush on CNN or MSNBC with his own 1-2 hour show? :)

Speech
In the end, no matter what babble we hear from members of Congress, the old establishment media (whose vested interest is they are losing "share" & need alternative or new media to be short-changed so they can re-establish their hold for the sake of their profits & for control of "the" message), & those interested in making sure the only voices & opinions heard are those that match "their" agendas, we will see free speech, which when Republicans were supposedly in charge they suppressed, totally suppressed by people who want balance to mean..
so long as your opinion matches mine or does not cause my opinion to have a difficult time indoctrinating the public into buying whatever I am selling them, then its OK.
But, if I think your opinions are causing me to have to work too hard or your opinion is making more sense than my drivel so I can steal even more from the people under the guise of law, then your voice is to be called, extremist. And any voice "we" (that would be those in power), decide is a problem, must be strictly regulated & controlled, with serious editing of content so balance is not used to bias views against
"MY" opinions. Balance is bias. It allows people to heard both sides, and decide for themselves. Now, talk radio dominated by conservatives does not present balance. And, just because no one wants to listen to liberal talk radio, it does not mean its fair. Its only fair if conservative talk radio is silenced or seriously impaired so its message is not received.

Big Deals & Flaws
Unless & until one can clearly show those
"flaws," such talk is simply oppressive & intended to allow one group to rewrite the only document mankind has ever had that promotes freedom. Past is prologue. To hold onto it & call the constitution flawed & oppressive, means you do NOT believe in real freedom, but only "your brand" of freedom. Its opinions like that, that will cause some to seek alternative solutions to our successful processes.
Liberal talk radio was an abysmal failure. That is NOT the fault of conservative talk radio. Listeners decided the message was flawed & they tuned out. You cannot force people to listen to only your message. That too will bring about people looking for alternative solutions to our successful processes.

Reba: Good questions!

"Do you really think the liberal judges in California will accept the Alan Keyes petition regarding Obama's birth certificate?"

Probably not in CA. But, two other petitions are already being reviewed... Donofrio's by Justice Thomas, and Berg's by Justice Souter, AND.... BHO has been given until Dec. 1st to produce his birth cert.

"Why should the Supreme Court demand that Obama produce a birth certificate after the last election was decided by the supreme court."

TWO SEPARATE ISSUES! This one, with Marxist Obama has to do WITH HIS ACTUAL ELIGIBILITY.

"I won't be surprised if neither of these petitions to the courts are heard."

As I said above, the petition HAS AREADY BEEN REVIEWED, and Souter has given BHO until Dec. 1st to produce his birth cert. That is pretty significant!!

"I think they should be ruled on because if they are not a cloud will hang over Obama Boy's entire administration."

It's worse than that!!! As I understand it, if Obama be discovered to be ineligible AFTER he takes office, and his election declared void, none of the treaties, laws, or executive orders signed by him will be valid or legal.

"Let's say it does happen, who will be the President, Joe Biden and Pelosi as VP."

No! The ENTIRE election would be declared invalid. And, that would indeed be a real problem since I don't believe there is any remedy in place for such a situation.


WE say it's the #1 issue for you!....
There are have been NUMEROUS "Fairness Doctrine" columns posted on Townhall...The common thread (correction: ROPE!) found in these essays is that the writers ALL have a connection to...Ta daah!...Talk Radio!...Every paranoid radio-head from Hannity to Laura to the "back benchers" (Mark Levin's term, not mine) like Austin Hill...Obama has already said that he has no interest in tamping down he right wing noise machine on the air. Frankly, why should he?..It's not like the Limbaugh's of the world stopped Obama from being POTUS 44...The really telling part of this crew is how much time they spend ruminating about this issue...Think about it. The economy is currently in fully shizophrenic mode..The Iraqi's have given us our walkin' papers..We STILL have not tracked down the Man who remains the "face" of the murder of 3,000 Americans...With ALL of that as a backdrop, these guys can't stop writing about something that affects their pockets. Oh, they'll wrap it in the Constitution and the American Flag but it's clear: Talk-radio is worried about Talk-radio. Ditto-heads, indeed.

Truth hurts
It's just another freedom the socialist liberals want to control/take away. If they feel threatened, they move in to squash what ever made them squirm. Just like Socialist Russia/Soviet Union.
Funny how the Fairness Doctrine is aimed at conservative talk radio. But that's right...where is Air America? Bankruptagain? I tried to listen to liberal radio......boring ! All I heard was whining, Bush bashing and no constructive criticism or truthful exposure of what the right is doing "wrong".
Reminds me of the letter Harry Reid wrote to Rush's bosses about Rush allegedly bad mouthing soldiers. Turns out Reid or one of his underlings got it WRONG. Rush was exposing the men who CLAIMED they were soldiers bad mouthing our admirable real soldiers.
I guess we are in line for a Civil War again. This time left vs right. Lock and load !

It looks to me like the case was denied
http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08a391.htm

Berg's application was denied.


P-E Obama and the Constitution
I would like to toss this out to the liberal readers here just as a point of discussion...what if the investigation into BHO's place of birth proved that he was NOT born in the U.S.? Where would the country go from there?

Mary Hogan
Don't think the Berg case is dead. Your link, I think, refers to the injuction sought to stay the election until BO produced his birth certificate. The 1 Dec requirement still applies.

Jack
You know the answer if BO was proven to be an illegal alien - The "living" constitutional
dogma would be the lib cry.

If SCOTUS found for BO or refused to hear the case(s), the rule of law would be made a mockery in the extreme.

BTW - BO is not "my" president until sworn in.
Until then, Bush is my president. I will treat the incoming President in the same manner as the "openminded" left treated Bush from day one.

The "convenient" liberal dictionary...
Liberals consistently redefine the meaning of words: thus, "fairness" means my way only; "free" means subject to my way; "biased" means you disagree with us, etc. In short: the road to communisim or at least a police state of thugs! And where is the challenge in an agenda media??? Ans: NONE

Thank's Patriot
I would like to see the United States follow the most important rules we have and that is in regards to installing the head of our government.

We'll see, though.

GO FOR IT DEMS!
As a conservative lover of free speech; left, right or otherwise, I pray to the Lord above and beg the Democrats to try and pass the Fairness Doctrine. This country has not seen a backlash like the one that would be created if it happened, since 1776. So, my request to the Dems is: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!! Ten thousand times, try and pass this thing!! The Republicans will have control of congress for the next 25 years!


Not by fairness doctrain
Obama won't do this by conventional means such as the fairness doctrain. He learned Alinsky well.
======================

The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) rule in question is called "localism." Radio and television stations are required to serve the interests of their local community as a condition of keeping their broadcast licenses.

Obama needs only three votes from the five-member FCC to define localism in such a way that no radio station would dare air any syndicated conservative programming.

Localism is one of the rare issues on which Obama himself has been outspoken.

More here:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/11/obama_declares_war_o n_conserva.html


joey
FYI- Joey, the Constitution,may have been put together by men, some of whom owned slaves, but a rudimentary knowledge of Constitutional history will show you that the framers understood the slavery issue was a problem, but that in order to create the union, and have it survive, required that the slavery issue be postponed.

And in case you are wondering, the civil war put an end to slavery, so that particular flaw that you believe makes the whole rest of the document worthless, has already been addressed, making your point equally worthless.

The rest of the document is responsible for the most free society in the history of society.

Joey- no big deal
Diversity doesn't just apply to color, sex, age or creed. It also applies to thought. Conservative talk radio hosts are successful because people like to listen to their, not to their color, their sex, their religion or their sexual preference.

The presidency has changed, members of congress have changed, but the first amendment has not changed, and never will nor should it.

Are you seriously advocating that because democrats will soon control the Congress and the Presidency, the government should then control who gets to say what, and when, and on what format?

What happens when democrats lose, would you feel the same if republicans started to try to control left wing media?

I suspect the answer is a resounding NO!

fishy dittos!
all tuna is not star kist or even chicken of the sea!these radical liberals think only they have free speech!mccain had to pay for all his tv ads,the liberal media did barrys for free!they are the fish sticks of our time the other kind of tuna,shark!!!!!!

ORNERY U.S. OF A.
Yes, this is scary news in this essay. However, take hope, people. Our nation may seem like a bunch of sheep at the moment, but just wait til you see them get fired up. One minute they're watching too much daytime TV and the next they're wide awake, on their feet, and taking names. This country was built on renegades and there're still plenty of them out there, believe it or not! Have faith in your ornery countrymen. (Especially Texans)
Signed, Still Free in Cajunland
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