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Sunday, August 17, 2008
Austin Hill :: Townhall.com Columnist
Obama And The "Infanticide Issue"
by Austin Hill
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What a different sixteen years makes.

Back in 1992 when then-Governor Bill Clinton campaigned for the presidency with a pledge to make abortion “safe, legal, and rare,” he was in significant ways speaking the mind of America.

At the time, many polls showed a slim majority of Americans believing that abortion should remain legal, yet also believing that efforts should be made to reduce the overall number of abortions performed.

Of course, as was the case on many important policy matters, candidate Clinton’s rhetoric didn’t match with President Clinton’s policies, and after eight years in the White House, his administration clearly left a “pro-abortion” legacy.

Nonetheless, Clinton moderated the Democratic Party’s “official” position on abortion, at least a little bit. And the very fact that the party would even agree back in the 1990’s to using the words “rare” and “reduce” in the context of discussing abortion, indicates that the Democrats’ previously held “abortion on demand” position was no longer being embraced by a majority of Americans (if, indeed, it ever was).

But that was in the 90’s. Now, just days away from the 2008 Democratic National Convention, where Senator Barack Obama will presumably become his party’s nominee for President, reports indicate that there is a bit of an internal struggle with those who are formulating the Democratic Party platform. What’s the controversy about? Whether or not the word “rare” should stay in the abortion plank. Apparently, the prevailing sentiment is that making abortion “rare” is now an unworthy, and perhaps even harmful objective.

But the party platform will likely morph and change a few more times between now and the convention. What won’t morph and change, however, is Senator Obama’s legislative track record. And on the issue of abortion and the proper care of children, an ugly and lethal profile of Mr. Obama has begun to emerge.

Many of the details trace back to the whistle-blowing of a woman named Jill Stanek, a Registered Nurse who, back in 1999, was working in a hospital maternity ward in Obama’s home state of Illinois. Ms. Stanek went public in that year, decrying a practice in her hospital known as “induced labor abortion,” wherein doctors force a woman’s cervix to open prematurely.

Worse yet, according to Ms. Stanek’s claims, babies that were being “removed” from their mother’s bodies in this way were often very much alive, but were left unattended - - and, thus, left to die.

Ms. Stanek tells of a particularly heart-wrenching and chilling situation wherein she observed a Downs Syndrome baby boy that was “born,” wrapped up in a blanket, and then set on a shelf in the hospital’s “soiled utility room,” left to die. Grieved at the idea of the little boy “dying alone,” Ms. Stanek goes to attend to the child, and cradles and rocks him until he finally passes away some forty-five minutes later.

When Ms. Stanek began speaking-out publicly about her observations and experiences, she quickly garnered attention from Illinois state legislators and media professionals. But Barack Obama, then a member of the Illinois state legislature, would have nothing to do with the movement that formed in opposition to the “induced labor abortion” procedure and the infanticide that was resulting from it. Indeed, thee times Mr. Obama opposed legislation that sought to prevent the “babies left for dead” scenario, and would have required that babies who were born be given life sustaining care.

Ms. Stanek later went on to the federal level, testifying before members of Congress both in 2000 (while Bill Clinton was still President), and in 2001 (after Bush had taken office), on the infanticide that was occurring in American hospitals. After both the U.S. House and Senate unanimously passed the “Born Alive Infant’s Protection Act,“ Ms. Stanek attended the bill’s “signing ceremony” at the invitation of President Bush.

So let’s be very clear: staunch abortion advocates Hillary Clinton, Ted Kennedy, and Russ Feingold, all recognized in 2002 the brutality entailed in leaving American newborns to die on the shelf in the “soiled utility room.” Yet, the Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama could not recognize this.

In the final analysis, it may not matter whether or not the Democratic Party includes the words “rare” and “reduce” in the abortion plank of its platform. The party has chosen as its standard bearer a man who represents something that is perhaps even more vicious than abortion, and if elected, could take the nation into dilemmas like we've never seen before.

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Austin Hill is a Talk Show Host At Boise, Idaho's 580 KIDO Radio, and a frequent Guest Host on the Fox Newstalk Radio Network. He is the Author of "White House Confidential: The Little Book Of Weird Presidential History," And Co-Author of the forthcoming title "The Virtues Of Capitalism: A Moral Case For Free Markets" (Northfield/Moody Press, 2010).
 
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Rowly...
Sadly, that Israeli baby died. But they gave a valiant attempt to save it nonetheless.

Infanticide & The Left
The Jerusalem Post has a story today about a baby who was aborted because the mother was hemorraging badly.

The baby showed no signs of life and was placed in a cooler as deceased. Five hours it showed signs of life and is still living .

I am thankful Obama was not the 'decider'.

USS Forrestal
I know it's off the topic, but the response about the Forrestal fire got me interested.

http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/ships/carriers/historie s/cv59-forrestal/forrestal-fire.html

Semper Fi

FMO
Actually Obama voted three times against a bill that would not have changed the law with regard to born alive infants. It either would have affected abortions or done nothing. Since bills affecting abortion should be honest about what effect they have on the law with regard to abortion, he was clearly right on the merits to oppose these particular laws.

The point of these bills was precisely to trick people into believing the false claims that you present in your article. So they have clearly served their purpose since you have effectively been misled.

If you applaud Jill Stanek for deceiving you, that is your business. I would prefer such issues to be settled by more honest debate.

That Jill Stanek
Imagine, she has the temerity to plead for the lives of the most innocent and helpless among us! How can our society bear up under the weight of such extremism!

After all, it's not a child, it's a choice right, but those most directly affected by the "choice" are given no voice in the choice, Baby killers rejoice.

Check out the link on Drudge right now about the 5 month old "Fetus" that was aborted, put in a "cooler" for several hours only to come back to life. Imagine, human life triumphs.

Even more fortuitous for the "Fetus" is the fact that this did not transpire in Barry's home state of Illinois.

Barry has done his part on three occasions to shoot down laws that would provide for the protection of so-called fetuses born alive. This is a matter of record, not conjecture.

It's nice to know that left or right, pro-life or pro-death, every poster on this thread was given the opportunity to live to tell the tale. For my part, I am not possessed of such hypocrisy that I could deny the same right to another. Argue this Mengelites.

more on abortion as political issue

The one thing about this issue that might make a difference is that while I assume most people take for granted that Obama is pro-choice, a recent survey suggests that many McCain supporters based on his Maverick image assume that McCain is also moderately pro-choice. If so discussion of the issue that makes their actual positions known would benefit Obama.

But that survey was commissioned by the pro-choice groups so they are somewhat suspect as well.

Why abortion is unlikely to be a big iss
Obviously Obama is consistently pro-choice. Not surprisingly McCain has been pretty pro-life. But there is good reason to think that this is not going to be that significant in the coming election. And this column does a good job of illustrating why.

Apparently the fact that Obama is consistently pro-life is not enough, so his opponents in the pro-life movement need to try to make the ludicrous case that he is pro-infanticide. The people who are already anti-Obama on the issue will believe this and be horrified. But the large middle that does not vote on abortion will assume that those zealots are spouting nonsense again and vote on other issues.

This is not a one-sided phenomenon. The people on the pro-choice side have been adding that McCain is not just pro-life but consistently anti-contraception. And the people who would vote against McCain on such isues will be horrified. While the middle will assume that those zealots are spouting nonsense again and vote on other issues.

Obviously this does not get into the particular cases for Obama and McCain being extremists, but they do not hold up well under closer examination either. Obama was not a lone radical against this measure which failed to pass in Illinois because it served no legislative purpose and so could muster no democratic support.

And Jill Stanek, who is presented as a disinterested nurse whose allegations went uncontested, is actually a full time abortion foe who recently made a joke of herself by comparing a fence that went up around a work site she was using to protest a Planned Parenthood center as being like Auschwitz.

OBAMA v BABIES
“Senator Obama is so pro-abortion he refused as an Illinois state senator to support legislation to protect babies who survived late-term abortions because he did not want to concede — as he explained in a cold-blooded speech on the Illinois Senate floor — that these babies, fully outside their mothers' womb, with their hearts beating and lungs heaving, were in fact persons.”

"In 2001, Illinois State Sen. Patrick O'Malley introduced three bills to help such babies. One required a second physician to be present at the abortion to determine if a surviving baby was viable. Another gave the parents or a public guardian the right to sue to protect the baby's rights. A third, almost identical to the federal Born Alive Infant Protection Act President Bush signed in 2002, simply said a 'homo sapiens' wholly emerged from his mother with a beating heart, pulsation of the umbilical cord or definite movement of voluntary muscles should be treated as a "person," "human being," "child" and as an "individual." Obama voted against all three!

Transcript of Obama's verbal opposition to 2001-Born Alive Infant Protection Act, Senate Bill 1095, on the Illinois Senate floor, March 30, 2001, pages 84-90
http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST033001.pd f

"That June 2002, the U.S. Senate voted 98-0 in favor of the Born Alive Infants Protection Act (although it failed to become law that year). Pro-abortion Democrats supported it because this language was added: 'Nothing in this section shall be construed to affirm, deny, expand or contract any legal status or legal right applicable to any member of the species homo sapiens at any point prior to being born alive as defined in this section.'"

Transcript of Obama's verbal opposition to 2002-Born Alive Infant Protection Act, Senate Bill 1662, April 4, 2002, pages 28-35
http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST040402.pd f





Kevin, and the USS Forrestal fire
I had never before heard of this incident, the 1967 fire on the aircraft carrier operating in the Gulf of Tonkin in which 134 sailors were killed and another 161 injured and in which McCain was very nearly killed. The Wikipedia article thereon is an interesting read.

Given that McCain's aircraft, with him in it, was either the first or second to be struck by the errant missile that initiated the accident, he's very lucky to be alive.

Where Kevin could get "evil" out of any of that is beyond comprehension.

As for whether someone who had remarked that his service entailed a war crime should consider running for office, it would seem apparent both (1) that the senator was wrong and (2) either that others have persuaded him as to his error or that he has personally reassessed his former view.

I'll believe that John Kerry was a war criminal before I'll believe that John McCain was; and I don't believe that of John Kerry.


Wendy, at 12:35am
"But keep grandstanding over first-term abortion. That'll really galvanize the American people. Sure it will."

Maybe not, but I think that a substantial percentage of the voting population might get galvanized around the issue of fourth-term abortions. Indeed, they might.

There are many reasons to recoil from the notion of an Obama presidency, but I think that the sentence, "that's above my pay grade," will turn out to be the epitaph of his campaign. I expect that this answer will go down about as well as the one that Michael Dukakis gave to the hypothetical question about an attack on his wife.


nature of Mr. Obama's lie about BAIPA
Mr. Obama's campaign has now admitted to his "misrepresentation." See Jill Stanek's website, http://www.jillstanek.com, for the breaking news and the proof of the lie.

And On the Issue of Infanticide
Anyone who agrees with the position that it is okay to place fully viable infant on a table to be left to die is not fit for the highest office in this country.

The records in Illinois prove that Barry holds this opinion.

To think otherwise is absurd.

Taft
What do you know about Abu Grahib?

Do you know that almost all of those actions were taken by a reserve soldier that was a problem on his local police department and his girlfriend?

Do you know that the allegations were reported by another soldier that thought this was abuse?

Do you know that there are specific policies in place in the military rules ad regulations that prohibit that type of degrading activity?

Do you know that the perpetrator's, when accused, were tried and when tried and found guilty, they were stripped of even the right to vote?

Do you know that a thorough investigation was performed and rooted out all responsible?

Or do you think that the Bush Adminsitration along with the Defense Department ordered those actions?

If you say "yes" to the last question, you are a moron and a poltroon. A koolaid sipping, kumbaya singing, idiot.

Obama's Verbal Opposition To Born Alive
Transcript of Obama's verbal opposition to 2001-Born Alive Infant Protection Act, Senate Bill 1095, on the Illinois Senate floor, March 30, 2001, pages 84-90

http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST033001.pd f


Transcript of Obama's verbal opposition to 2002-Born Alive Infant Protection Act, Senate Bill 1662, April 4, 2002, pages 28-35

http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST040402.pd f

Interestingly, the Chicago Sun-Times, on August 25, 2004, printed on page 49, a cartoon by Jack Higgins, pictorially admonishing Barack Hussein Obama for his opposition to Born Alive, proving that, once again, information about Obama, while being politically sensitive, is not reported when it may be damaging to Democrat political ambition.

The Mainstream press has been, and will continue to pretend ignorance of any & all information about the Lone Stranger, while trying to do all they can to propel this Marxist devil to the top job in the country.

His elevation to the Presidency serves their evil ambitions as much as it does his, and they will stoop to anything to get a stranglehold on the American people and to subvert the traditional values of our Constitution.

"The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness..."--Romans 1:18

Yeah, Kevin
Being involved in a tragic accident in which people are killed, is certainly more evil than leaving newborn babies in dirty utility rooms to die from neglect.

Thanks for clearing that up for me.

CAMF

McCain = EVIL ??
What is evil is someone admitting they are a war criminal, ( John McCain, 60 Minutes interview 1998 ) and then having the gall to seek the nation's highest office.

What is evil is panicking while getting ready to take off on the deck of the USS Forrestal, dropping your two bombs of napalm laced with WP on the deck, thereby killing 132 of your fellow sailors.... SEEING how it burned them alive; and THEN continuing to do bombing runs with the same ordinance later.

TRUE EVIL!

John McCain does know evil...but he then either CO-OPERATES WITH IT or he TURNS HIS HEAD!

Hmmm...
I see that the Townhall "conservatives" who looked the other way at the GOP's leftist policies the last eight years are now all riled up over the issue of...Obama's abortion stance.

I hate to be cynical of my fellow conservatives' motives, but I cannot help but wonder about something.

Obama was out of the news all last week, Russia invaded Georgia, and while Obama was on vacation, McCain was grandstanding over the invasion, the one type of issue on which he is strongest - defense matters - and the end result was...

McCain cannot break a statistical dead heat with Obama in the polls. Intrade Market Odds remain at 60 to 36, Obama.

But keep grandstanding over first-term abortion. That'll really galvanize the American people. Sure it will.

As I have said elsewhere, I will be here in December to pick up the pieces of a party that has destroyed itself.

God demands an opinion
The idea that for Obama to form an opinion about abortion is "above his pay grade' is once again and this time might be the height of arrogance. It's either the fact that he doesn't grasp the God's purpose for our lives which is to analysis our situation as it relates to God's will and form an opinion; or it is that he knowes it and remains opposed to God's way of replentishing the earth.

Throughout all scriptures nad teachings the common thread is that all involved opinions.

Of course before you can take a stand on an issue youhave to first have an opinion about it which could explain why Obama stands for nothing.


Tea Pary
There is no doubt Obama is a good Christian. He is totally against torturing people and would never have pushed an Abu Graib upon Iraq and our nations conscience. It looks like Obama may loose, only because the rw has told enough lies and that will only hurt our nation the more. It's so laughable that some rwers will hover John "Mr. Nasty" McCain morality over Obama's.

OncealwaysaMarine
I second Brickhouse #10 You are on a roll, keep it up.

Post #20 really does shine a light on Obama's
christianity. I don't think he can say anything, that can erase the perception he's muslim. Even his choice of 'christian" church leaves more questions than answers..it's got the title Christian but that's all it's got, so he can say he's one. His "pay grade" tells us otherwise.
#14 AMEN

Isaiah 59:7 Their feet run to evil, and they make haste to shed innocent blood; their thoughts are thoughs of iniquity; wasting and destruction are in their paths.

Ranger 29
You being a true left-wing liberal and true to your calling,it is gratifying that you disagree with everything I have ever said. It just makes me sure I am right. Thank you for that.

Obama: A Fool and A Liar
It is prophetic that in the very scripture that Obama cited, while making yet another attempt to moralize the faults of America, he chose one that places that very condemnation upon his own evil and hard heartedness.

Ever the chameleon, now posing as a Christian, he quotes Jesus Christ [Matt. 25] in another of his unrelenting attemps to criticize America, saying: "That basic principle applies to poverty. It applies to racism and sexism. It applies to...you know...not having--not thinking about providing ladders of opportunity for people to get into the Middle Class...we still don't spend enough time thinking about the least of these..."

Yet this same man shrugs his shoulders and advocates AGAINST any ladders of opportunity being provided for defenseless, helpless, innocent babies?

Like Tonto said to the Lone Ranger...I say to the Lone STRANGER--whatcha' mean WE "Wright" man?

He claims that the people that say these awful things about him being in favor of the sacrifice the lives of innocent babies [the least of these] on the altar of abortion rights, are lying. Unfortunately for him, the record of his guilt is available for all to see, proving who the real liar is.

Before making a mockery of the scriptures, Obama would do well to take a lesson from Proverbs 17:7:

"Arrogant lips are unsuited to a fool--how much worse lying lips to a ruler!"

or Proverbs 18:6-7:

"A fool's lips bring him strife, and his mouth invites a beating. A fool's mouth is his undoing, and his lips are a snare to his soul."

Lone Ranger
The Pompous A$s has raised it's ugly head. No one asked you to enter this conversation. Drop dead!

Taft
I believe my post was about Democrats and their hypocrisy. I notice you did not touch on that. Why not?

I have no idea what you are talking about with Abramoff and Tom DeLay. I doubt it is pro-abortion. That is the topic of this column and my post.

If you think there is one ounce of moral equivalancy between conservative Republicans and liberal Democrats,you have lost your mind.

OncealwaysaMarine: As Usual
As usual, you're one of the sharpest tools in the shed. Keep it up! This country needs more MEN like you, again.

No Child Left Behind
And Obama means it too.

Rowly
Republicans seam to be pro-abortion..when money is involved. Research what Abramhof and Delay were up to in a sweat industry.

http://www.democracynow.org/2006/1/4/forced_abortions_sweat shops_a_look_at

Or, consider Bush and the Republicans coziness with the largest abortion nation on earth, ..China.

The republicans anymore, have no moral ground to stand on. They encourage torture, perhaps the lowest form of human behavior.



Pro-abortion Democrats
Very few Democrats will announce the DNC platform when announcing for office. Who would vote for anyone who admitted they were ok with infanticide?

They try to hide the most liberal planks to the people who would normally vote Democrat.They would even deny they believed them. Still they run under the party's confessed beliefs. What are we to believe?

Obamanation Read Hebrews 4:12
When asked, "What would be the greatest moral failure of America?" Obama answered:

"I think the greatest moral failure in my lifetime has been that we still don't abide by that basic precept in Matthew [New Testament book] that "whatever you do for the least of my brothers, you do for me."

This scripture is from Jesus' parable of "The Sheep and the Goats" "All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on His right and the goats on His left." Matt.Chap.25 vss. 32-33

"Then He will say to those on His left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'" Matt.Chap.25 vss. 41-43.

In his narcissistic arrogance, Barack Obama quoted the ONE scripture that most condemns this heinous act; the one most relevant to his treatment of the forsaken and dying infants he and others would leave hungry, thirsty, and naked to die in the storage rooms of death they have prepared for the innocents...

How prophetic. "For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any two-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare befor the eyes of Him to whom we must all give account." Heb.4:12

The Void
It's hard for them to post while their heads are spinning and they are spewing something akin to green pea soup.

There is no cloak for their infamy, just as there is no cloak for Obama's. He is an amoral opportunist who would throw anyone under the bus to achieve his political ambitions.

Even Josef Mengele would have been shamed at the brutality these conscienceless horrors champion.

Why are you all so utterly bereft of mercy and completely unwilling to allow others the same deference your mothers showed you by permitting you to be born and to live to tell the tale?

How huge is the void in your souls?

What a compelete tragedy for all involved and a shame upon our nation!

A minor distinction?
Mr. Hill writes: "So let’s be very clear: staunch abortion advocates Hillary Clinton, Ted Kennedy, and Russ Feingold, all recognized in 2002 the brutality entailed in leaving American newborns to die on the shelf in the 'soiled utility room.'"

I believe it would be more accurate to say that the illustrious lawmakers recognized the political inadvisability of being on record as condoning said brutality.

OncealwaysaMarine: Spot on! But you

forgot one thing...

One must actually HAVE A CONSCIENCE to vote their conscience....

I often wonder if many on the left have a conscience.



K.G.: You nailed it. "Barry is very scar

And he's not an option!




Ron Paul is Not the Republican Party
Sugary Sweet,

Ron Paul is a man, plain and simple. He, like anyone else can identify himself as a member of a certain Party. If he supports abortion, he will not get my vote either.

This issue is bigger than any one man and any one party.

God-fearing people need to vote their conscience, not the party line. And that's exactly what I intend to do. How about you?

Born Alive Infant Protection Act...
...And Obama's complicity in stopping it in the Illinois Senate, is an issue that will not go away. As Retired Geek has noted, it's all in the record!! Barack Obama, in claiming that his opposition to a law that would have required born alive babies to receive their due process rights under the U.S. Constitution, is being lied about in the press, is itself a bold-faced lie on his part. When his comments are read, the evidence is clear that Barack Obama made a conscious decision to have BORN ALIVE infants [in failed abortion attempts] left to DIE [or be KILLED OUTSIDE THE WOMB] in order to protect abortion rights.

LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE...RACISM RACISM RACISM...

This is the Obama mantra. It won't work this time.

The record [and Obama's own comments & votes] speak for themselves.

Once again, it is Barack Hussein Obama who is the liar.

To add to the list of troubling things about the Lone Stranger...Obama is a proponent of the infanticide of American babies, as long as they're are infidels, Islam has no problem with abortions. Christians [as he would have us believe he is] do.

Computerized Transcripts from Last Night
I have posted the entire computerized transcripts from the Saddlebrook Obama - McCain debate last night on my blog.

From the blog you can EMAIL yourself or others the transcripts - 3 parts for each candidate.

From the blog you can PRINT yourself or others the transcripts - 3 parts for each candidate.

To access these transcripts just click on my name on this post.

You may also access these transcripts at:
http://hisfacts.blogtownhall.com/

Hill missed the main point...
which is that Obama has lied about this. He claims that he was against the Illinois bill only because it lacked a clause explicitly protecting Roe v. Wade. However, the Illinois bill was amended to include such language, thereby making it almost identical to a federal bill that passed in Congress. Obama voted against the Illinois bill anyway. Obama's pro-abortion stance will not alienate everyone, but his brazen lying SHOULD. Of course, the MSM is ignoring this.

Human rights, too
Last night, Obama was asked when a human being is eligible for human rights. His answer was, "that's beyond my pay grade." In other words, he refused to acknowledge that a baby born in order to die has any human rights. Exactly as you said.
A human being becomes human by virtue of having been conceived. If that embryo is a human, then that embryo has human rights.
I don't think we need a president who has no idea when a human being acquires human rights.

"Pro-choice" is a euphemism!

It's "pro-abortion!" Absolutely NO different from calling SOCIALIZED HEALTH CARE "Universal Health Care."

They can CALL IT anything they want, but it's STILL SOCIALIZED HEALTH CARE!!!

Being as PRO-ABORTION as Marxist Obama is fits right into his Marxist/Communist leanings. Even if it doesn't start out this way, it WILL get to this point in short order.

The goverment being your health care provider, the government can say, and will say when there's not enough money to provide health care for everyone....

Your "fetus" has a birth defect... No prenatal health care for you!

Your "fetus" has a birth defect... No health care for your baby!

And not so far fetched (they already do it in China, folks!!!) demand one child per couple... and dictate an abortion should a couple want a second child.

Lepanto: Let's Face It
There are those, like Margaret Sanger, who are into eugenics. The more babies we abort from the underclass the better. The more babies we abort from certain races from the underclass the better.

I heard recently on a TH radio show however,(I have no link, either HH or Laura I.), that it is intelligent, upper-class Jewish girls who take great advantage of their constitutionally protected right to abort.

This is causing the US Jewish population to decline at startling rates. Everybody wants to get on the Culture of Death bandwagon, it appears.

Why Rare?
The position of Democrats that abortion needs to be safe, legal and rare has always puzzled me. I can understand safe and legal. If this procedure were nothing more than the removal of unwanted cells of course, you would want it to be safe and legal. Liposuction is the removal of unwanted fat cells and as far as I know, there is universal agreement that it needs to be kept safe and legal. I have never heard anybody wish to make it rare. If abortion is nothing more than the removal of unwanted cells, why should it be rare?

Liberals who always favor style over substance loved Clinton's safe, legal and rare abortion position. Like most liberal positions they sound great as long as you don't apply any logic.

Oback and the Accidently Born Alive
I’m Oback Arama and I’m running for president of this great country. I believe that every living and breathing person save just a few has the right to choose and that’s why I’m pro-choice. I’m a strong believer in the lives of those who can vote and send money to my campaign. I have the audacity of hope that you, Planned Parenthood, NARAL, and other noble organizations will reach deep down into your pockets and bank accounts and write a check to me because of my stance on the lives of the voting public. That’s the kind of pro-life position I can believe in. I’ve stood up to those repressive regressives who would attempt to protect products of conception after only eight or nine months of pregnancy. While a member of the Illinois Senate, I was a strong voice of reason in the defeat of an immoral bill that would have protected products of conception accidently born living and breathing from being terminated by heroic abortionists in our state. Why should these blobs of tissue have the right to live just because they are living and breathing outside of the womb. After much counseling from their health professional abortionists and abortion mill counselors these mothers made the moral decision to terminate and why should a breathing living blob of tissue with a beating heart stand in the way of that decision. If you believe as I do that every breathing and living child should be a wanted childor it should be snuffed out, if one so chooses, then I have the audacity of hope that I can count on your vote and all of the change in your pockets and bank accounts for my campaign. Together we can continue to terminate unwanted breathing non-voting blobs of tissue. That’s change and hope that we can believe in and that’s why I’m running for president. I’m Oback Arama and I approved this message.
http://www.obackaramablog.com/

Barack Obama is pro Choice...
And if you want the Choice to commit infanticide that is okay in Barack's world. Heck, he will help you pay for it if you cannot afford it.

No wonder Obama refuses to debate!!!
The "hum",, "duh", "uhh"...and no eye contact with Warren, was quite a contrast to the Patriot, who looked everyone stright in the eyes and stated his stance CLEARLY...Obama missed his called he was clearly intented to be a boxer...dodging and dancing around without any solid specific "STATEMENTS"...pathetic performance by Obama...clealy showed his lack of COMMAND and CONTROL...Loved McCain's sense of humor////Just say No to O

Marine
Yup. He is the Far Left standbearer. They will love him for his courageous, baby-killing stance. But Heartland America has a heart-- Joe Six-Pack Dems will not vote for this freak.

BTW: I saw the Saddleback interview tonight. Until now I have been luke-warm re: Mack. But tonight he was warm, funny, moving, decisive,--and very clear about when life begins.

Barack: cold, rambling, evasive and boring. don't let the spinmeisters tell you Barack looked good tonight. Barry is very scary.

He's sunk
If this story of the big O's record is presented to the majority of the population, he's dead in the water. This aspect of the "holy one's" record has been known for months, and no MSM coverage. I gues it will be up to the sputtering McCain campaign to get the word out.

BHO is more than despicable.

Don't Expect Liberals To Care
Obamamaniacs don't care if Obama is for infanticide, because this is the Democrat Party voting base.

Perverts and reprobates of every stripe are what make up the rag-tag base of Obamamaniacs.

Their seeing his lack of concern or conscience about leaving babies to die, gives them all-the-more confidence that he will support their own individual brands of moral terpitude.

The very things we are apalled at, are the very things that attract the "special interests" groups that support such a candicacy. Abortion-on-demand, man-to-man marriage, homosexual adoption [influence] over children...etc.

That Obama supports even infanticide [in the name of a woman's choice] assures all other perversions [under his & his Party's administration] will be as likely to be even more than merely permissable; they will be officially condoned.

Don't expect liberals to care about innocent babies being left to die in hospital storerooms. To them it is an acceptable sacrifice to make if their own selfish perversions can be, likewise, allowed. This is the kind of society so-called "progressives" want to make of America.

Obama is their champion and their best shot at having it.

B2slim 12:59 AM EST
"Obama's health care plan is only about providing FREE abortions on demand: as in taxpayer funded."

That's not at all true; there's a $35 co-pay.

FREE abortions ON demand !!

Obama's health care plan is only about providing FREE abortions on demand: as in taxpayer funded:

After all his daughters should not have to be PUNISHED FOR ANY MISTAKES !!!

Obama's FREE health care Plan

MY LORD:::

people are dying of cancer, etc.

OBAMA is WORRIED about pay for MORE Abortion assembly lines:?

That is SOME health care plan:

Killing a baby that has already been born to save the "HEALTH" of the mother ??? go figure:

we do not need a Harvard degree to see him blowing smoke up the pants of the illiterates:

hey libs
sophie and gang- what do you losers have to say about this? Staying under that rock hey?
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