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Sunday, July 27, 2008
Austin Hill :: Townhall.com Columnist
Obama, "The Vast Majority Of Muslims," And The Rest Of Us
by Austin Hill
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So now that you know that the rest of the world loves Obama, how about you?

I raised that question last Thursday night on my radio talk show at Washington, DC’s 630 WMAL, albeit rather facetiously. Despite what the forces at CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, Rueters, The New York Times, and “CNN International” may want me to believe, I don’t assume that “the world loves Obama,” anymore than I assume that “the world hates Bush.”

But now that the week of cathartic revelry is behind us and the excitement has subsided a little bit, it’s time for some reflection. And despite the aura of victory that was entailed in many reports, there were moments that reflected very poorly on Mr. Obama himself, and on our country.

For one, there were Obama’s remarks in Israel regarding his good deeds on the “Senate Banking Committee.” In responding to an Israeli reporter’s question about his commitment to defending Israel (Israeli’s are rightly skeptical of Mr. Obama, given his previously stated commitments to meet “unconditionally” with Iran’s tyrannical leader), Mr. Obama explained that “his committee” - - the Senate Banking Committee - - had just voted in favor of a bill that provides for sanctioning, and the divesting of revenues out of, Iran.

But Mr. Obama doesn’t serve on the Senate Banking Committee. And he hadn’t “just voted” on anything. Senators don’t “text message” or “email” their votes - - they vote in the Senate chamber, and Mr. Obama was out of the country all week. Mr. Obama lied to the Israeli reporter - - and to the rest of the world - - with these remarks. Are we to regard this as “presidential?” Or was this merely “change we can believe in?”

Then there was the speech in Berlin last Thursday. While many of the journalists repeatedly stated that “an estimated 200,000 people" had turned-out to see Obama, blogs were all abuzz with reports that the “crowd” to which Obama spoke was drawn not so much by the candidate (who insisted that he was NOT “speaking as a candidate”) himself, but rather, by a rock concert with free music, food and drink.

The wide-angle camera shots of Obama waving to a sea of people looked great, but what was really happening right then and there on the ground? Was it a well choreographed campaign event from “America’s next President,” or was Obama’s speech inserted into the midst of a mini music festival?

But then there were four particular sentences from Obama’s Berlin speech, the intricacies of which went largely ignored by “the press.” Ostensibly Mr. Obama was calling for the United States and Europe to unite for the common purpose of defeating Islamo-fascist terrorism, and that’s what the headlines conveyed. Yet, Obama’s relativistic, multi-cultural, "I-wouldn't-dare-offend-anybody" sensibilities colored his remarks on this all-important subject:

“This is the moment when we must defeat terror and dry up the well of extremism that supports it. This threat is real and we cannot shrink from our responsibility to combat it. If we could create NATO to face down the Soviet Union, we can join in a new and global partnership to dismantle the networks that have struck in Madrid and Amman; in London and Bali; in Washington and New York. If we could win a battle of ideas against the communists, we can stand with the vast majority of Muslims who reject the extremism that leads to hate instead of hope.”

So what are we to make of this? For nearly seven years, the United States has called upon Europe to join us in combating terrorism and the ideology that drives it. President Bush has made it clear to Europe - - and to the rest of the world - - that we will wage this fight, and win, with or without the help of other nations. This is something which Mr. Obama and his fellow Democrats have pejoratively decried as Bush’s “cowboy diplomacy” and his “go it alone” approach.

But notice the structure of the last sentence: “If we ('we' presumably meaning the U.S. and what was then 'Western Europe') could win a battle of ideas against the communists, we can stand with the vast majority of Muslims who reject the extremism that leads to hate instead of hope.” Who is it, exactly, that “we” - - citizens of the U.S. and modern-day Europe - - are supposed to stand with? The implication is that “the vast majority of Muslims who reject the extremism” already have some kind of well-developed movement going on, and the rest of us non-Muslims just need to get on board with it.

But where is this “vast majority of Muslims?” Do they have a website? Can I sign-up for their newsletter, or attend a rally? And who speaks for this “vast majority?” Is it President Ahmedinejad of Iran? Or would it be the two hijab scarf-wearing Muslim women who were denied their “rights” to sit on the platform behind Obama’s podium last month in Detroit, and who pitched a fit and eventually coerced an apology from him? Are they the examples of the “vast majority” who reject “extremism?”

Mr. Obama may find camaraderie with this elusive, mystical “vast majority.” But the rest of us Americans must remain vigilant, lest we fall prey to not merely “hate,” but to beheadings and suicide bombings as well.

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Austin Hill is a Talk Show Host At Boise, Idaho's 580 KIDO Radio, and a frequent Guest Host on the Fox Newstalk Radio Network. He is the Author of "White House Confidential: The Little Book Of Weird Presidential History," And Co-Author of the forthcoming title "The Virtues Of Capitalism: A Moral Case For Free Markets" (Northfield/Moody Press, 2010).
 
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How dare you?
If Obama claims to be on the Senate Banking Committee...well...he must be on it! He's...uh...a stealth candidate--yeah, that's it. And if he claimed he just voted...well, haven't you ever heard of bi-locating? I am sure the new messiah has mastered that trick!

Sorry, couldn't resist-the man is becoming a joke!

Great article...
really enjoyed your insights!

One word says it all...
Unelectable.

If politics has ever produced a flake
Obama is the poster boy.

quote:
So what are we to make of this? For nearly seven years, the United States has called upon Europe to join us in combating terrorism and the ideology that drives it. President Bush has made it clear to Europe - - and to the rest of the world - - that we will wage this fight, and win, with or without the help of other nations. This is something which Mr. Obama and his fellow Democrats have pejoratively decried as Bush’s “cowboy diplomacy” and his “go it alone” approach."

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Incredible arrogance isn't it.

Obama wants credit for "cowboy diplomacy", lol.
Its bad if Bush said it first is all.
Obama wouldn't know the difference from a cowboy to his kaaba stone

This man is an embarrassment, and point man for a degree of shame for America not even Bill Klinton attained.

The media worship is embarrassing also, adding to the shame a moron is running for President

Who would vote for this guy?
About half of us. No matter he thinks there are 57 states, thinks the world came together as one to tear down the Berlin Wall, that he is on the Banking Committee and voted (maybe texted
Michelle "Present") and thinks that worked, and thought 10,000 people died in a Kansas tornado a few months back. Three times the number on 911 and the loyal media still followed him around. That is how important he is! Biggest US disaster ever, and he keeps his time slots in the media!

Dottie
GOOD ONE!! How DARE anyone question him!

I just want to see what this 'vast majority of muslims' are going to do. I know they are not busy stopping honor killings as 22 Muslim countries voted against the UN bill, as limp as it was, to discourage it and protect the rights of women.

TalentScout, Ken
You two need to give advance spew alerts before speaking of our ethnically challenged candidate. It would save me on cleaning my monitor.

Really makes me wish had a nominee
The media LOVES guy. He is black enough, well half, and they think they are making history with him. You would think the Republicans would really clean up this year with a CONSERVATIVE, pro-life, anti-illegal immigration, pro-family, pro-business, pro-personal responsibility candidate, but no, we have Senator McNasty.
The media is telling the ignorant/illiterate recipients of other peoples money to vote for the new president of the world. Yes, the ignorant are now a majority.

Joke, no joke…

Joke, no joke…Obama maybe a joke, but it is no joke that he is currently leading in all the polls. McCain must hammer Obama on his anomalies and inconsistencies else the joke will be on him come November.


Sorry Summers
I'm seldom up this late.

Yeah Dottie: You'd better be "careful"

That's what he warned the GOP when they questioned one of Michelle's statements...

"... be careful.... Because that I find unacceptable."

LOL

Muslims
There are many many moderate muslims. Its too easy to label them all extremists and terrorist which has been done way too much since 9-11. Bush's fascination with military solutions to any problem has only increased extremism. Many muslims say they like the US and like americans, they just don't like our middle east policies. Those policies include the support Israel with 4 billion a year aid and not a word of protest in anything they do, like bombing Lebanon, building a wall that doesn't follow their countries borders but meanders through Palestinian farms and encircles valuable water resources. I'm sure Americans would be incensed if another country attacked England and inflicted that kind of behavior on the Brits.

Neal: Actually, he isn't. In fact

McCain in closing in on Marxist Obama...



Chicaree writes: "Bush's fascination
with military solutions to any problem has only increased extremism."

Sorry, that's not quite true...

Nothing more than an excuse for their actions.

This is what
government of the media, by the media, and for the media looks like.


He getting his vast majority of Muslims
mixed up with Hillary's vast right-wing conspiracy. He knew it was vast something.

Out they go


Please understand, I am all in favor of Muslims acting anyway they want, while in their country, but they have caused problems wherever they went over the centuries. I could list a dozen places where I have witnessed that. A country consists of two things, a border and a culture.

The rights, the duties, and the privileges protected and guaranteed by any Culture, do not, and must never include the right to destroy that Culture.

Diversity must be among countries — each country with its own culture — not diversity within countries.

Islam is not a religion, it’s a government, as dangerous to our way of life as Communism or Fascism.

If they are such great people, and theirs is such a great religion, why haven’t they stayed at home in their sandy sewer?

The Islam style government is not part of our culture, and if you let it in, it will try to take over, just like communism and Islam has done in many countries.

I say give any Moslem in this country four chances.

Become a real nice person (almost impossible)
Leave this country voluntarily.
Get thrown out by the Military
Be exterminated.

And right now.


chicaree
Why don't you move to Israel so you can help the poor Palestinians in their plight instead of complaining about it from the safety of your living room here in the States?

RANT
obama says, You just need to make sure your kids learn to speak spanish!! OK?? Them doggone europeans are gonna make a mockery out of us and they might not like us because we're not
bi-lingual like they are.... Now, we need to straighten up or obama might not accept us as we are!! we don't wanna disappoint obama and his wife and the rest of the world! So let's get down on our knees and lick some boot!! I want you all to feel real guilty for being SUCCESSFUL and wealthy!!! Bad.... BAD Americans you have no right to be proud of yourselves for your accomplishments... What about the under achievers, the slackers and the losers?? (this includes other countries) They should be entitled to a piece of what you worked hard for! Shouldn't they?? Oh! I feel so sorry for those who get rewarded (bailed out) for stupid errant behavior because of those who want the average working folks to feel guilty...

Unfortunately, electable
Marcmat says he is unelectable. Many Americans don't check their leaders for accuracy. No, they will follow him anyway.

Obama speaks; no man listens
Speaking of men, not sheep.


His message: "The walls between races and tribes, natives and immigrants, Christian and Muslim and Jew cannot stand. These now are the walls we must tear down."

The only thing a multiculturalist can't stand is differences.


Two sides of muslim culture
Obama's "vast majority of Muslims" is ephemeral, and doesn't have a web site. Don't confuse that with "non-existent". Muslims of my acquaintance don't support terror, and in some cases spit the word "Arab" as if they were a hated people.

I think it is fair to say that there are Muslims that support the internecine warfare we see in the Middle East, and Muslims that don't. I understood Obama to be saying that we should agree with those who don't - and we probably do. Antiterrorist muslims view Al Qu'ada as causing them terror (cf Afghanistan) as much as they cause problems for us. I would suggest that we give them the benefit of the doubt.

That doesn't excuse Obama's grandstanding.

chicaree
Don't mean to upset and distress you so late at night, but did you know the Marine Barracks in Beirut were bombed before George W. was President? Did you know two US embassies in Africa were bombed before George W. was President? Did you know that the USS Cole was bombed before George W. was President? Did you know that the Twin Towers were bombed the first time before George W. was President? Guess they were just warming up for extremist practices for the coming cowboy.

Have you ever studied Islam? It is a religion/social order/governmental unit all in one. By the way, Islam is, also, highly intolerant of everyone except Muslims.

I saw one of the big, literally and figuratively, spokemen for CAIR, the 'charity' in the US that funds terrorist activities, complaining that installing footbaths for Muslims in public places in this country is a small price to pay for accommodation for their religion. I don't mind if they are low enough for dogs to drink out of.

Do you know where the 'poor Palestinians' in the Gaza Strip came from? Try Syria, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia as big contributors. It was a ploy to make people looked displaced by the founding of Israel. However, their great Muslim brothers won't feed them or help them except in armaments and military training. They could buy a lot of goats with that money. Bill Gates gave millions of dollars in greenhouses for them to start their own businesses. They tore them down. You think they want your help? Have you watched the children's programs on TV?

Now here is the tricky question. Why do they want to immigrate to the U.S., Canada, and the E.U.? Why is there a growing number of honor killings in this country if they are assimilating into our society? Why do we allow madrassas here and allow children to be sent to madrassas in the ME? What are these children taught? What is the goal of all of this?

Moderate Muslims? That's rich.

MODERATE MUSLIMS
Winning entry in this month's oxymoron contest.

As for the Vast Majority of Muslims
If Americans were all as smart as the Liberals claim to be, we would recognize the strategy behind the vast majority of Muslims playing the passive, non-violent roll. They are serving as Camoflage for the Bomb builders. What better way to hide terrorists than in a Community where everybody looks alike and the Thousands of passive ones can vote for the others to put them in political offices to change the laws and allow more radicals access to our critical facilities. Think about it ! It should be obvious to all of you. You don't see any vast Muslim groups OPPOSING the bomb builders, you don't even see any small Muslim groups doing that! The last Muslim individual I knew of that opposed such, has not been seen on TV for several years. Wonder why ?

This is in London
1 in 3 Muslim students approve killing for Islam

http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=70673

I bet the percentage goes higher to further east you go.

Moderate muslims?
Remember all the rioting over cartoons?
The day before, those were your moderate muslims.

Moderation for islam is how many get murdered

Chicaree...You're wrong.
If you studied the Qur'an and hadith you would understand that Islam is an expansionist religion/ideology. Deception, even lies are considered acceptable strategy amongst those Muslims in the minoeity in countries to which they emmigrate. When they attain a sizab;e community then the demands come.

Witness Europe and the riots in France, violent demonstartions in London, Germany, Holland and the Netherlands. They take advantage of our democratic policies and tolerance to make inroads. They love multi-culturalism as it plays right into their plan. That is why you do not see large groups of Muslims that protest the violence and barbarism of Islamists.
They may be courteous and friendly but rest assured when push comes to shove what side do you think they will take?

Many of our schools and Universities take Saudi money and in return set up curiculum oriented
favorably to islam. Young impressionable students are being indoctrinated into the virtues of islam and Jihad.

Do your homework and you will see this is fact.
Obama in his bool "Audacity of Hope" mage a statement: "I will stand with the Muslims if the political winds change in an ugly direction" Worried yet? You should be.

casey
so, i gues that means that if they were loud and boisterous that would mean they were peeaceful. how does it woerk. if they are quiet they are hiding something, if they make a lot of noise what? pray tell.

vast majority
what an incredibly stupid column and by inference stupid columnist.

good commentary, Hill
...and most responders are right on point. There are those like chicaree who remind us of the price of not being forever vigilant.

There are Muslims who consider themselves moderate, yet, in an instant, they would side with other Muslims if someone were to draw a cartoon that they don't like. (Didn't Nobama protest a cartoon about himself once? Hmmm.)

We need to be careful that by allowing a group to exercise their religious freedom we could change over to a religion that prevents other religions from existing. And other governments.

What walls is Obama talking about?
His message: "The walls between races and tribes, natives and immigrants, Christian and Muslim and Jew cannot stand. These now are the walls we must tear down."

Walls between Muslim and Jew? How could this be anything but a reference to the security barrier in Israel that was erected to defend the Jews from jihadist kamikaze attacks aimed at innocent civilians-- a wall that has obviously been effective in this purpose?

Is this clown suggesting that the barrier is a bad idea, and should be dismantled? How g**damn dare he! I'm surprised people aren't up in arms about this one stupid gaffe alone.

Instead, the "journalists" of the media seem not to have even noticed it. Shameful.

adenda
forgot ssomething importanton page 9, eleventh line down on the official version of the speech released by his campaign , obama clearly say "the end" couple this with his statement made eleven pages earlier and you nmust deduce that he is talking about bringing the soldiers home from Iraq nine
sooner than he originally planned. conmservatives should get ready for this oppurtunity to blast this crass flip flopping and do it in advance ,.. that will make it twice as effective good luck

Grimy work, indeed
I was wondering what the KKK was up to these days, but I guess the 80 percent wingnut faction at TH will do just as well. You TH staffers with brains must feel like showering every time you leave the office! I hope the money's good.

Agreeing with Summers, Mac
Where was the last part of Obalmy's trip? EURABIA, as Bat Y'eor accurately calls it. For the jihadists, the Muslims 'losing' Spain was like yesterday, much more vivid to them than say US losing Vietnam. They want it back, they think of it as China does Taiwan, or we would if say Florida had been temporarily conquered by cuba.


Re: Koran
I'm far from an expert, more like an educated layman on the subject, maybe read 20 books or so.

Everyone says "oh, but there are conflicting verses in the Koran about jihad, peaceful and warlike."

True enough, but the most acute scholars will tell you that in such a case, Koran scholars say that the later verses trump the earlier verses, that those express Mohammed's (Allah's?) considered opionion on the subject. The earlier more peaceful verses were when M. was just starting out, when he had to use toleration as a tactic.

Do all Muslims know and agree with it? of course not, but even if its 10%, a tenth of a billion+ is a lot of potential suicide bombers.

joseph
remember if anyone curses his father or mother he put to death" leviticus 20:9
if a man commits adultry with another man wife. wit the wife of his neighbor --both the adulterer and the adulterss must be put to death" 20;10

Youmust kill those who worship another god exodus exodus 22;20
kill any friends or family worship a go that is ent then yiur own" deuteronomy 13; 6-10
and the beat goes on th beat goes on, Nancy sinatra in ionw od-f her proer mon-ments. read thes to a muslim student un==in 3rd grade doe w=example. what will he think of christians?

the bible say
you must kill those who worship another god exodus 22;20
kill any friends or family that wi=orship a god that is different than your own" deuteronomy 13 6-10
kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you"

An Evil Religion
Barack Obama, son of a Muslim and stepson of another, seems to be tolerant of Muslim practices, but if he tried to put Michelle in a burka or forbid her to talk in public he would be one sorry husband.

Like most liberals he is unable to recognize evil when it's right in front of him. He inveighs against historical slavery in the U.S. but ignores the fact that it's still practiced in some Muslim countries and the wives of practicing Muslims are, in effect, slaves to the tenets of a pernicious 13th Century religion.

Islam has to undergo Enlightenment before it can be accepted by civilized societies. Americans should reject Islamic immigrants, until they completely accept the mores of a civilized society, and reject a false Messiah who has not yet resolved the contradictions of his paternal and religious roots.

Obama, like most liberals, is so naive about the world and the intolerance of other people that he is willing to lie down with tigers and expect to rise safe and sound in the morning.

The fate of Daniel Pearl is a grim reminder to all of us of the continuing savagery of the Muslim fanatics who, like Obama, want to re-make the world, in order to install their own evil caliphate.




Mrbmrb: moral equivalence
between Christianity and Islam is what you are proposing.

That was like the liberal morons during the cold war who said that the US was no better than the USSR. they were refuted by history.

same goes for Christianity vs. Islam. Briefly put, I would tell relativists like you that the person and teachings of Jesus trumps all the verses you cite.

JerseyVet . . .


TO: NEAL in PA . . . I wonder if McCain will ever "hammer" (to use your owrd) O'Vomit on ANYTHING?? To date, he's been walking on eggs where O'V is concerened -- even to the point of asking that certain TV ads that expose O'Vomit true self not be aired - it makes me want ask if McCain is a serious candidate, or whether he's "in" on the deal to get O'V elected?? I've not seen McCain seriously challenge O'Vomit on ANY issue. I respect McCain's bravery in the face of the Viet Cong's tortures, but I haven't seen his spine when it comes to nailing O'Vomit on the issues! If there was one, maybe I missed it . . !?!?

Best Regards to All . . .

Jana Martin
Oklahoma City

Hill needs some clues. He's lost.
To claim the crowd in Berlin that showed up to see Obama was really there to see a rock concert and partake of free food is ludicrous, and bespeaks a mindset incapable of accepting reality.

Obama is genuinely popular in Europe. One can argue whether that should matter or not, but to place blinders on and pretend it does not exist, is being clueless.

Much of Europe(and other parts of the globe)is deadset against what it views as Bush's unilateralism.

And Obama is seen as a change in direction from that policy.

Now, on A FEW issues I happen to agree with Bush's "unilateralism". His rejection of International Criminal Court's exercising jurisdiction over American government officials and employees, and his rejection of Kyoto, are such areas.

Hill's criticism of Obama for believing the vast majority of Muslims are not extremist IS NO DIFFERENT than G.W. Bush's observation that Islam is a "great and peaceful religion".

Indeed, Bush's assumption is most Muslims are NOT extremists, for it undergirds his quest to bring democracy to the Muslim world.

Why would he want to bring democracy to a people if he thought most of them were extremist?

Maybe Bush is wrong here(in which case, so is Obama).

If the vast majority of Muslims are not moderates, then wouldn't they likely elect leaders who also are not moderates, but instead leaders holding extremist views?

Not much impressed with Hill's article.

JerseyVet . . .
. . . I like your idea of "America rejecting Muslim immigrant until . . . "

Interesting . . . keep up the good work.

Also -- did I "fat finger" my message to Neal in PA?? I think it went off in the ether . .

(Oh, well . . .)

Best regards --
Jana Martin, Oklahoma City

Typos . . . typos . . . typos . . .
. . . everywhere -- and they're ALL mine . . . so . . . I'm going back to bed!!!

Best Regards to All,

Jana Martin
Oklahoma City

Jana okc: tactically, mccain is in
a bind. the more that he tries to hammer obomination about anything, the more he solidifies his image among the 20% uncommitted in the middle as a nasty churlish curmudgeon, especially compared to the sweet choirboy image of obalmy.

mrbmrb
Let us know if you should ever do standup comedy!------we'll be there!

#39
mrbmrb says:
kill the inhabitants of any city where you find
people that worship differently than you"
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Thats just what the islamist mind set was on
9-11-01. What are you giving us a history lesson?

Joseph . . .
. . . of course, you're right, and I wouldn't want to be in his shoes . . . but (much as I dread O'Vomit) I cannot muster a favorable opinion of McCain . . . he appears too soft, too pale, too soft-spoken, too mild-mannered . . . and too ready to forgive O'Vomit any failing. Surely, wiser heads than mine can find a solution (and a better image) for him. I fear his softness is only aiding-and-abetting Osama-Obama.

Best from OKC -- J.

Not Qualified
Obama reminds me of a good revival preacher with his oratory skills. I heard him speak and was impressed with his delivery but after checking his record, I backed away quickly. After studying his background and his record, it is plain he does not have much of a record. In this case I looked at who his friends and influences were in life. Revrend Wright, an anti-American individual if I have ever heard one, the professor who once bombed his own country and still hates America were two of the many negatives in his background. There is no way I can trust this man with the future of this country or my families future. Then in one of his books he states he would side with the muslims. This is a huge eye opener, siding with an extremist religion over his own country. Then he wants to raise taxes on productive members of our society to pay the non-productive members of society for doing nothing. He will not admit the second amendment is for self-defense, all he talks about is hunting and the second amendment has nothing to do with hunting. There is no way I would vote for Obama as I see a person who would tear down the traditions and culture of our country and turn us into a second rate economic power through excessive taxation. I only wish our younger generation understood the dangers posed by this man.

It is amazing
how many Americans have fallen for the lies and deceit put out by Obama, his campaign and the MSM. And even though he states in his book.."I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction." the sheep still follow and worship their new Socialist/Fascist Messiah! And are trying to make this man the President of the U.S.A.!

Excellent Article
We the People - need more of this type of analyses of Barack Obama's remarks and policies. How he remaks history to suit his audience is disgusting - details don't matter.
Any voter out there that is making nice with this guy - better sit down and think!!!
His economic plan - alone - will dismantle business in this country - and for sure investors are already factoring that into their view of America.
The Europeans love him because they think an Obama presidency will dimish America - AND IT WILL.

#43
jerabaub says:

To claim the crowd in Berlin that showed up to see Obama
was really there to see a rock concert and partake of free food
is ludicrous, and bespeaks a mindset incapable of accepting reality.
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At another website, several posters who are from Germany
agreed with this article regarding the free concert
and the fact that beer and food were offered to the participants.
They also mentioned the high unemployment rate in Germany
along with the types of people that are free to join a group event
like this attracts students, transients, and other interlopers
were the main fact in the size of the crowd.

The one common thought by those Germans was the fact
that 200,000 guests at the event were over inflated. Not might
be, but were over inflated.
I trust their comments as they were there, and we know how the
lefties like to over state an issue.


#49
Jana Banana says:

too mild-mannered . . . and too ready to forgive O'Vomit any failing

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The new tone, that "W" tried to bring with him
showed us just how much this attitude does not
work with the lefties. You have to fight back and
show just how goofy these people are.

Look at Kucinich and the impeachment garbage
that's going on. How could that have gotten so far?
That's a by-product of the "New Tone"...BS I say

the vast majority of Muslims
It seems to me that the vast majority of Muslims like to kill people. Their first choice is non-Muslims, whether in India, Darfur, Thailand, Spain, Israel, England, or Holland. If there are no non-Muslims, however, they are only too happy to kill other Muslims, as we saw in the civil war in Pakistan a few decades ago, the Iran-Iraq war in the 80's, or the civil war inside Iraq more recently.

Do I suffer from Islamophobia? You bet. Who wouldn't be afraid of an ideology that indoctrinates people from childhood on absolute submission and obedience while preaching hatred and resentment toward others? This pattern of behavior goes back centuries and we need to start facing it honestly.

ThreePuttinDude
A website can say anything.

I am sure SOME folks showed up for reasons other than to see Obama.

But I think you are only deceiving yourself in suggesting Europeans are not smitten with Obama.

Stupidity
Obama's biggest problem is that he doesn't even know he doesn't get it.

The overwhelming majority
of Nazis were peace-loving, gentle, kind, only moderately patriotic souls who never personally murdered a single Slav or tossed even one Jewish baby onto its parents in a gas chamber. The nations of the world should think about that before they go about outlawing the swastika or forbidding the decent majority of Nazis from holding political rallies, just because a relative handful of bad apples tainted the rest.
Surely our future president understands this and will tear down the walls that separate the good Nazis from the rest of us. Vote Obama!

Wow
The xenophobia of many posters on this site is astounding. There are many many moderate Muslims. There are willing to kill as are all humans except pacifists---of whom there are few. It sounds as though have not travelled and get your information from right-wing sources. It may be time to stop learning about the world from the internet and Fox News,

As for this piece of "journalism"--where's the beef? And if you raise a factual question--how many truly attending the concert/speech, don't read a few german blogs and think you did some research. Puff piece.

Why they swooned
American is the only super power and what happens here effects the whole world. Europeans like Americans are looking for a quality in a leader that had been missing during the hard line incompetent Bush years. A vision for a future free from terrorism in which we work in partnership with our allies to defeat the greatest threat of our times Terrorism.

While Obama was touring McCain was making mistakes and misstatement the all surge all the time was looking pretty boring in comparison even as McCain pivits (lies) himself to a position that is almost identical to Obama's on Iraq and Afganistan.

The last thing McCain needs know is more press coverage the conservatives are whining about on Fox News. The more the press watches the more they catch McCain making factual mistakes or providing an incogerant policy on the economy and the war.

Notice the derth of articles in townhall prasing McCain. His name is hardly mentioned instread it is attack Obama all the time or Obama vs. an imaginary opponent.


chicaree
We are always being told that there are moderate Muslims, but the fact is that the Muslim world has been getting more conservative in the last few decades, so the moderates as a political force don't mean much. I was recently in Egypt where 90% of the women wear head scarves. I'm told that 20 years ago it was only about 25% of the women doing this. Face it, the more conservative Muslims are in charge.

Nor is it clear what the phrase "moderate Muslim" means. Divide Muslims this way:
1. Those who, if living in the U.S., accept the U.S. Constitution.
2. Those who want to impose shari'a on us, but by peaceful means.
3. Those who want to impose shari'a on us, by whatever means possible.
Do you mean to include type 2 as a moderate?

As for the Palestinians, let's talk about how they oppress their women, ok? I've been to east Jerusalem and I've seen how every woman was forced to wear a head scarf. And that's only the tip of the iceberg, from what I hear.

It's strange the way leftists want to raise our consciousness about the treatment of women, and then want us to forget about it when it comes to Muslims.

DCR
Xenophobia? I don't think so. I liked Muslims during the 70s. I thought it would be great to have more Muslims in this country, along with Hindus, Buddhists, etc. Then came the Iranian revolution when Muslims butchered as many as 100,000 leftists.

I have not liked Muslims since.

And by the way there's plenty of xenophobia on the left. It just never gets mentioned. Take a look at the sports page of the NY Times and keep in mind that the NY Times thinks of itself as the world's newspaper. Now count how many articles they have on soccer and cricket vs. our sports.

DCR
I don't think it's xenophobia.

I think that, intrinsically, many people simply recognize the inconcsistency of an entire race of people emmigrating into societies that are diametically different in every aspect, and continue to adhere to customs and practices of the native countries and culture from which they emigrated.

I have a good Liberal friend in New York City who says that whenever she sees a Muslim woman in her hijab and head to toe getup, she asks hereself, "What ARE they doing here?"

I think the question is a valid one.

Obama operates the way dem nj gov't
does. We are sometimes forced to attend costly events and bring clients (in my case, teenagers), pictures are taken, and rerports are submitted that say, "Picture (or whatever) event HUGE success!". This means funding continues. Curriculums funded by NJ taxpayers are given to us counselors to us "for free". I have boxes of this unusable crap in my basement, but it goes down on paper as, "100% used"- need more funding to create more!

We are also taught that social welfare abuse is a "myth", that hispanics don't have any more kids than anyone else, that the cornerstone of the black community is the church and that black crime is a media creation, and that white Europeans taught American Indian tribes violence- they had no first hand knowledge until the white man came. I'm not kiddding- this is the leftist world view on those subjects. No wonder Obama is so appealing to them.

I don't believe for a minute
that the majority of muslims are moderate, many were dancing in the streets of Paterson NJ as the towers fell on 9/11, the TV coverage suddenly stopped showing it.

There was a great letter in the Richmond paper the other day from a guy who escaped Cuba, castro convinced the Cubans that he was all about change and they supported him to their own regret.

His analogy was spot on to this pied-piper of change. As has been mentioned, we live in the greatest country the world has ever seen, why would we want to change it?

People are not listening to what this guy is saying, I had a discussion with some black friends yesterday, smart, hard-working small business owners who are supporting bambi..they didn't know of his plan to raise cap-gains taxes or any of the other taxes he proposes or they simply ignore it...although it wasn't stated, they are voting for him simply because he's black and will stick it to "rich people". I reminded them we were sitting on their 100K boat at the time and to bambi they WERE rich people.
I hope they heard me.


Moderate Muslims
One very fashionable left-wing argument I'm now hearing is that Islam is a religion of peace and the vast majority of its adherents only want to go about their everyday lives without conflict. However, as Dutch parliamentarian Geert Wilders has recently shown in his short documentary Fitna (and may pay for this message with his life!), the dominant force in Islam is a belief that does not want to integrate with other cultures or even tolerate them.

I find this argument vapid and bogus. The vast majority of Muslims may want to live in peace, but didn't the vast majority of Japanese in WWII only want to live in peace and not kill Chinese, Koreans, etc.? Didn't the vast majority of Germans under Hitler just want to live and peace and not kill Jews, Gypsies, Slavs, etc.? And didn't the vast majority of Soviet citizens only want to to live in peace and not send all their neighbors to the Gulag?

We cannot afford to live by the theory that if the vast majority of some group is peaceful then we can't do anything about the minority that is violent and determined to destroy our culture and way of life.

Moderate Muslims
One very fashionable left-wing argument I'm now hearing is that Islam is a religion of peace and the vast majority of its adherents only want to go about their everyday lives without conflict. However, as Dutch parliamentarian Geert Wilders has recently shown in his short documentary Fitna (and may pay for this message with his life!), the dominant force in Islam is a belief that does not want to integrate with other cultures or even tolerate them.

I find this argument vapid and bogus. The vast majority of Muslims may want to live in peace, but didn't the vast majority of Japanese in WWII only want to live in peace and not kill Chinese, Koreans, etc.? Didn't the vast majority of Germans under Hitler just want to live and peace and not kill Jews, Gypsies, Slavs, etc.? And didn't the vast majority of Soviet citizens only want to to live in peace and not send all their neighbors to the Gulag?

We cannot afford to live by the theory that if the vast majority of some group is peaceful then we can't do anything about the minority that is violent and determined to destroy our culture and way of life.

DCR, Jana,
DCR: just branding what you have read on this thread as "xenophobia" dodges the question. A phobia is an IRRATIONAL fear of something. I think it is rational to fear the jihadist islamofascists. They tell us all the time they're out to get us, and they put their words into action on 9/11 and other times.

Some 'xeni' are meant to be 'phobed.'

Jana: you don't need to "muster a favorable opinion of McCain." all you need to do is muster a less unfavorable opinion of mccain than obama. luckily for you, as opposed to me, you live in a state where most of the people are politically sane.

Obama, vast majority
Obama, he will be the worst, most dangerous president in the history of the United States, if he wins. I can say this in all earnestness. I have read his two books, visited the Woods Fund Website, which lead me to the UK, Pakistan, indonesia, Syria, and then back to the United States to Tony Rezco and his wife who are Syrians immagrints. To Louis Ferrehan, and others. I have visited his churches Website. None of these sites were Republican. None were a far right. His associates are mainly Muslim. the Muslim world is totally behind him. i wonder why.

Since he won the nomination I have watched him, and his lies move towards the center. He is just trying to get the votes. And the Major news outlets are behind him 100%. He has the very best of the advertising folks on his staff.

Muslims, They are infiltrating all countries of the world, Europe has 54 million, imagine if only 2% were radical, a very small number, thats a army of 1,080,000. Not so small huh. In te United States, Immagrints and native born converts, around 8 million, again what if 2% are radical, thats a army of 160,000. And how many troops are in Iraq? The problem is fully arming these people with combat weapons. However as open as our borders are, shouldn't be that big a problem.

And remember, these radicals do not mind getting blowin away in the attackes that they make, mainly on civilians.

Now tell me we are not in deep do do if he wins

He will side with Islam
Senator O already has written that he will side with Muslims over his own country. Illinois apparently tolerates this in a sitting US Senator, but why should the rest of accept such contorted loyalties in the office of the President?

Moderate Muslims? Yeah, let's rank that concept right up there with remorseful rapist and nice nazi.

Khan
When it comes to the homicidal loons, AQ is not just a minority, it's an aberration. Even onene of the major philosophers of the AQ movement has recently denounced the killing of innocent people as against Islamic practice. Furthermore, the ones who helped along this entire mess, the wahabbis in Saudi Arabia, are now in reverse mode. The kind himself openly and loudly says jihad, to leave the Kingdom and kill, is evil. I'm afraid Bush's decision that Bin Laden "just doesn't interest him anymore" was a very big mistake. Things in Afghanistan and Northern Pakistan are unraveling. Its time to fight our enemies and elect Obama.

JFP: When DCR called you a "xenophobe"

YOU WON the debate!

Oh, and DCR... YOU LOST! So sad for you.

Glenn Beck
pointed out on his TV show within 24 hours after Obama's Berlin speech: Obama stated that the profits from corporations need to "be more equitably distributed".

If that isn't Marxist redistribution of wealth, I don't know what is.

Denny
The Muslim world behind Obama, probably, but.. so are the European, Asian, and African worlds too. The only group anti-Obama are al qeada, who are very upset that another right winger may not win. Zawahiri was almost in tears that the US hasn't bombed Iran yet.

jerabaub
ok you've gone on at length about who/what you do NOT support. Is there anything/anyone who is apositive influence in your life??????

David
"be more equitably distributed".

I couldn't find any thing on the web to say where and when Obama said this. Could you provide a source, Beck just doesn't cut it.

About phobias...
That diagnosis gets thrown around as much as the term "Hitler" and "fascism" in political discourse. A phobia is an irrational fear that is life altering and based upon imagined dreadful results. When it comes to Islamic extremism, there are real events and stated intent. Concern about this does not constitute a "phobia".

A couple of weeks ago I was hiking and a large, unleahsed Rottweiler came running toward me on the trail. The dog was issuing gutteral/growling noises and barking. I readied my oak stick and when the owners appeared around the curve, asked them to call him back. "Zeus" circled and woofed-clearly skittish and not at all friendly, while the owners screamed at me to lower my stick ( I held it horizontal in case of a charge). This hideous woman was yelling that I was "paranoid" and "dog-phobic" as her dog circled growling and did not responde to being called by the icky guy with her! The guy got close enough to tackle him, while the idiot women was hollering at me! This is a very good illustration of people who assign the diagnosis of "Islamophobe" to people who are seeing what is happening.

Taft @ reply 75
The Glenn Beck TV show (on HeadlineNews, part of CNN - I believe). Glenn ran a cut of the Berlin speech Obama gave where Obama called for corporate profits to be "distributed more equitably".

Why is it that even when Obama himself makes statements like that, people refuse to believe what he said? No, Beck played the cut and that's what Obama (the Marxist) said.

I couldn't care less that Obama is a Muslim or an atheist; I do care that he wants to destroy the capitalist system that made all Americans rich when compared to the rest of the world.

oldsocialworker
Your analogy is perfect and show why concentrating on good Muslims is foolish when there are at least 9 more common and serious fears one should be worried about.

The 9 Breeds of Dog That Bite the Most



1. German shepherd

2. Chow chow

3. Poodle

4. Italian bulldog

5. Fox terrier

6. Mixed chow chow

7. Airedale

8. Pekingese

9. Mixed German shepherd

Not Rotweilers! They are actually big babies.

Summers (#23) writes: "...CAIR, the
Summers (#23) writes: "...CAIR, the
'charity' in the US that funds terrorist activities,..."

It was Hussein Ibish, "complaining that installing footbaths for Muslims in public places in this country is a small price to pay for accommodation for their religion."

I saw that interview as well. It was the phrase, "... small price to pay...." that is very significant.

Little by little, the Muslims are gaining a toe hold in OUR WESTERN SOCIETY. It's the old "Frog in the pot" scenario. First it's the Muslim cab drivers refusing to take fares with dogs (even seeing eye dogs!) or alcohol. Muslim schools getting govt. funding (while teaching HATE!) and "footbaths" at govt. expense.

Before we know it, they'll be wanting us to accept honor killings ... small price to pay to accommodate their religion.

That last post
I forgot to run through spell check, sorry.

A man on the radio
defined MS and radical Islam. Mainstream Islam is the terrorists who follow the Koran and murder innocent victims.
Radical Muslims are the peacable one who are Americans and and don't follow the murder mandates of the Koran.

DavidMac: Marxist Obama's Berlin speech

"... profits from corporations need to "be more equitably distributed."

Of course you're right! "... redistribution of wealth," be it corp. or personal, is the backbone of Marxism/Communism/Socialism.

That, and "For the greater good...." and where have we heard THAT recently???

Only the uninformed don't understand that.

WHAT IS IT going to take before people start seeing what Obama is all about... Marxism/Communism/Socialism.


E tu, Taft?
The dog was not acting like a "big baby" and had to be tackled. Furthermore, I'd rather be bitten by a poodle or a Peke than a Rotty.

MODERATE MUSLIMS
Did anyone see Fox Channel's Meagan Kelly's special on 'honor killings' last night? I read about them in the paper; but, they seem to get little attention. This seems to speak to the assimilation that doesn't happen with Muslims in our own country. The Egyptian cab driver father who, within the last six months shot his two daughters to death in Dallas. These two girls were born and raised there. They have an American mother. But father Said and their brother said they were too 'westernized'. I remember my son having a classmate from Saudi Arabia. His parents refused to let him befriend his classmates. Assimilation is a joke, a sick joke. Then there was the daughter who was killed by her father in Atlanta recently.

The pathetic thing is that Said in Dallas is on the lamb. His brothers curse anyone who asks about him. They may not have accepted our culture, but they have done a dandy job on learning and accepting gutter language. He married his American wife when she was 15. There are more gruesome facts I could give you; but, I encourage you to watch this special that comes on, again, tonight.

IF THERE ARE MODERATE MUSLIMS, they do not speak up and out against their brethren who carry out the terrorist acts and acts that violate our laws.

They do not want to assimilate. They hate this country. WHY ARE THEY HERE?
Think about it.

Modmark
I have personal friends from Indonesia who had to flee to the US and apply for asylum due to the "tolerance" of the Muslims in their country...all because they had the audacity to maintain their Christian faith. The wife's mother has had numerous instances of "moderate" Muslim mobs surrounding her house chanting anti-Christian slogans and even attempting to burn the house down. This is the face of "moderate" Islam in Indonesia!

Modmark - you don't know what you're talking about!

Neal
You forgot that Mondale lead in all the pools also and look what happened to him.
Polls are nothing. There are many people like me who give just the oppisite answers when polled.
only brain dead people follow polls.

Anne
I just read the whole speech, it's on line for anyone to read. There is no quote as Beck stated. Now, will you all stop watching that moron?

Neal
I know, you will probably critize my spelling, but that's ok. My brain moves faster than my fingers.

oldsocialworker
Shame on you, oldsocialworker. If you had only read Taft's list, you would have squatted and cooed softly at Zeus, at which point he would have rolled over on his back and begged you to to rub his tummy.

Well, I could be wrong, but when you're imagining how history would have gone, "if only," then you can imagine a fine, fine situation. E.g., "if only" Algor had been president when the towers fell--well obviously the world would love us now, even the poor would be rich, and Dairy Queen sundaes for all!

Two Syrian brothers
were illegally brought into this country across the Mexican border. Their family settled in North Carolina. They were educated in our schools. Last year they were arrested with bomb materials near a military base.

Why did the family come here? Why was it so important to get here, even illegally? Where did these boys learn their intense hatred of us? How had no one noticed them?

There are two problems presented here, not the least of which is our porous southern border and our lack of knowledge as to who is in our country.

oldsocialworker
I can very well imagine that dog was terrifying, and agree, I'd rater be bit by 3 Pekes than 1 Rot.

Taft
I'm sure glad that SOMEONE in this country is in close contact with the terrorist world. Thank you for your valuable insight.

Heyyy, weren't you one of the ones protesting the U.S. listening in to Americans' conversations with known terrorists? I understand now, and see your point. This country would be so much better off if knowledgeable people such as yourself were allowed to receive the insights of al Qaeda so that they might pass them on in an instructive manner to our ignorant government.

mrbmrb
Why do people always quote the Jewish Testament to (in their mind make a point)?

True Christians go by the two "new" commandments that Jesus gave. They involve loving people and not killing them or hating them as a person, but hating the sin they do.

If you are going to quote something about Christians, then quote from the New Testament.

Polly
You can either accept the stuff Fox News is feeding you, or you can read about the facts for yourself.

And, for the record, no one, has ever stopped our government form spying on any terrorist suspects. They even told Bush he could have , I think, 2 days to get a warrant. Our congress has given Bush everything he wanted.

Will Still Not Vote for Me
As an American born in Puerto Rico, please do not call me a Puerto Rican-American, but an American-Puerto Rican. The O'Man will be the worst prez in our life time. Yes, worst then J.C. the peanut farmer. We will never see another American-minority running for this office for the rest of our lifetime!!! He will finally cause many American-minorities to become Republicans!!!

Remember:
2008 a vote for any dumbocrats = $12/gallon for gas in 2009!!!

Obama's Berlin Speech
"This is the moment when we must build on the wealth that open markets have created, and share its benefits more equitably."

This is the part of the Obama speech that I find Marxist. The entire transcript can be found at http://www.realclearpolitics.com.

My point remains the same: wealth that capitalism has created must, according to Prince Obama, be "shared . . . more equitably" sure sound like wealth redistribution to me.

If there is another interpretation that Taft or someone can come up with, please post your comments.

Obama continues, "we will not be able to sustain this growth if it favors the few, and not the many. Together, we must forge trade that truly rewards the work that creates wealth. . ."

Pure Marxist philosophy: the workers must be rewarded equally with the owners (the proletariat must have the same fiduciary results as the bourgeoisie). The egalitarian outcome-based idea flys in the face of "from each according to his ability, to each according to their needs".

Obama wants the American people to believe that he will somehow make corporations give up their wealth and send checks to all the "poor" people.


Animal: mrbmrb's posts are always

impossible to understand because he never makes any sense.... EVER.

He's just some kind of psycho, whose TH account is totally bogus.... bogus email address an all.

He's best ignored.

Taft
Can I bring my Rottie over to your place for a bit...er, uh "visit". I'd love to see you waving your "stats" in his face while he punctured your juglar

Bobby
ok, I shouldn't have said Rotts were just big babies. I was after an analogy. As I said to social worker, I didn't mean to undermine her personal experience. I'll be more careful next time. Lesson learned.

Question for Taft
On what site did you read the speech? If it is Obama's, kindly remember that his site is not very reliable as they purge items that might reflect unfavorably on Obama.

He has shown himself to say one thing to one audience and something totally opposite to another....

MadMark
Wow are you confused!!!
You wrote...The ME Muslim do not understand what war is and hence are so willing to embrace it.

I would think that the ME Muslim would know better than ANYONE what war is. It would seem however that you DO NOT.

Taft
Thank you for the reasonable response.
Actually my critter is a Lab/Golden Retriever.
Unless you were dressed in the mailman uniform, he might lick you to death.

Taft
All your so-called facts that you want everyone to read are from the "left". Y ou never quote anything from the "right" or even "independent" sources.

You have allowed yourself to become closed minded in your thoughts.

As a researcher of things pertaining to the Christian religion, I find it very important to study both sides of the coin in order to make a clear and rational understanding of what "truth" really is.

You have not done any of this and have only shown that you read only one side of the coin.

Dottie
Good point, and when I get a chance I'll listen to the whole thing. Thanks


David,

The idea, that open markets, will benefit everyone more equally, isn't necessarily Marxism, is it?

A warning from history
In 1996 and 1997, Tony Blair and his "spin-doctors" created the same sort of hype-storm as Obama appears to be doing in the US and Europe. TB even talked a Russian radio station into giving ham a part in a soap-opera.

So here we are: TB cared about nothing other than fostering his media image. Open borders are creating ethnic tensions between the country's indigenous inhabitants and immigrants, both legal and not, who are getting special treatment in terms of "human rights", benefits and planning permission for places of worship. The police are so mired down in paperwork and weighting crimes equally that we are in a crime-wave unequalled since the years immediately after WWII. And Brown, who maybe had some good ideas a decade ago but has gone stagnant over being made to wait for the top job, appears to care about nothing but tick-boxes and the other social detritus of game-theory gone mad.

So I hope US voters who are tempted to vote for Obama remember the old saying: be careful what you wish for, you might get it.

Cambridgeshire
England
NE Alabama

Sick of KKK references
When the leftist has nothing--you can tell because he/she will resort to charges of racism. Someone upthread compared TownHallers to the KKK. For Heaven's sake! Who keeps bringing up Obama's race? It surely isn't the right. I would say the huge majority of us are judging Obama on the content of his character and not the color of his skin.

Try to remember Mr.-if-you-criticize-Obama-you-must-be-a-card-carrying-member-of-the-KKK, that particular, nasty organization was started by Democrats. And which party believes that blacks cannot make it without government help (Great Society, anyone)--oh yes, that would also be the Dems.

You will NOT shut us up by screaming racism. You will cheapen the word, however. If someone is being racist, point it out, but our opposition to Obama is not a form of racism--supporting him just because he is black is racism.

Royinoslño and mrbmrb.......
.
.....from Mn, Minnesota, .??.

I alwa

Just curious
A telling sentence in Sen. Obama's Germany speech was; "If we could create NATO to face down the Soviet Union, we can join in a new and global partnership to dismantle the networks that have struck in Madrid and Amman."

The "we" you are referring to Mr. Obama is the United States, you know that nation you so frequently deride. Which way does Obama want to have it (I know the answer)?

"We" were the ones who faced Soviet aggression with undeterred strength, "we" are the ones whose military was stationed all over Europe as they had none, "we" are the ones that invested our troops and treasure in the defense systems that finally brought down the "Evil Empire." All to which your new found "European" partners violently protested. And now that these pacifists are no longer threatened, you want us to become more like them? What a fool.

Lastly, had it not been for that "Cowboy" attitude of the likes of Reagan and now Bush, which you equally scorn, you would have given your European sermon in front of "that damn wall." Assuming of course that the Soviets who were poised to annex Europe would have even let you in.


Dottie
Ditto Dottie.

A beautiful name. Same as my mothers. May she RIP

Royinoslño and mrbmrb.......
.
....from Mn, Minnesota, no less.

I always had a pretty good impression of the folks from Minnesota until today and your dastardly comments. Are you both actual Muslims or just wannabes.??. From your writing and misspellings it can be assumed that you are Muslims or is that muslims.

Your bravado and stupidity tell me and us a lot about your background. Yes, it points to your being muslims or wannabes.

Take your brand of personality defect down the road and don't come back, Jackasses.
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YOU'RE IN GOOD HANDS WITH OBAMA!!!
After 200 million infidels killed in Jihad, BO thinks that he can change 1400 years of fundamental Islamic belief (Islam uber alles) with a chat over tea or coffee (or maybe a game of basketball).

Perhaps he should first work his "magic" with his Kenyan relatives who show no signs of changing their beliefs.

See:

http://www.nysun.com/opinion/kenya-connection/69273/

and

http://www.ridesbyrich.net/FirstFamily.html

As for Hussein Obama....
.
...he is half black and half Muslim. Since he wants to be known as black, do you suppose he is also, Muslim.??.

You are damned right he is, deep down and undercover. He learned one thing very well. Lie to people of the other persuasion. Lie and lie and until you are believed. And damn it, the dopes who outnumber the somewhat more intelligent do believe the SOB. That he will be elected is obvious, as far as the eye can see at this time.

Personally, I cannot imagine this faker taking office for more than five minutes. Telescopic sights are a match for stupidity.
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ModMark and Dottie
I take it you don't believe that Jesus is God.
If you have ever "studied" the O.T. all the way through, you would know that the Ten Commandments were written for the Jewish race and that the O.T. is the history of the Jewish race. When the Messiah (God in the flesh) came He taught us two new commandments that deal with loving God first, our neighbor second. Mark 12:28 - 31

Dottie - you forgot the Confederate flag. it also was introduced by the Dems

DavidMac
You write that "Obama wants the American people to believe that he will somehow make corporations give up their wealth and send checks to all the "poor" people." I'm afraid you're a little behind the times. Corporations are ALREADY being forced to give up their wealth so that checks can be sent to the "poor."

All Obama wants is to make corporations give up ALL of their wealth, so that it might be ALL redistributed more equitably, i.e., to each according to his need.

Taft
It is always nice to run into you on these threads. I don't always agree with you, but you are willing to stand by your convictions without getting personal or surly! Thanks.

KKK & RACISM=REPUBLICANS???
What about Democrat Sen Sen Byrd, former Kleagle of the KKK, and his "white n*****" remarks in 2001?

What about Democrat Sen J. Willam Fulbright (arch segregationist) being awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom by his mentor, Billy Clinton?

What about Democrat Sen Albert Gore, Sr. (Al Gore Jr.'s daddy)

What party affiliation did Bull Connor, Lester Maddox, and George Wallace have in common?
All Democrats.




Moderate Muslims
Go to AmericanCongressforTruth.com and click on Brigitte Gabriel's bio.

I recently watched her 45 minute speech followed by Q & A put on by the Heritage Foundation.

Ms. Gabriel's story will tell you what happens to a country when Radical Muslims get a solid foothold. It will also show you that so called moderate Muslim will do not one damn thing to stop radicals.

Lebanon is the perfect story for that. Her story will shake you awake.

What happened in Lebanon is now happening in Europe. The Radical Muslims are teaching their radical Islam right here in the USA in hundreds of mosques across the country using our freedom of speech and religion against. They are teaching generations after generation to hate the USA.

Wake up America, Indeed!!!

Political Correctness is killing us slowly but it is killing us just the same.

We need to go back to calling a spade a spade. That is not a racial remark. That is just saying we need to tell it like it is.

Honor killing are on the rise in all on Muslim countries, including the USA. Where are the moderates on that issue? Enough about these peaceful moderate Muslims. There are cells of Hamas, Al Quieda and Hezbollah in the US right now. They hide in the Muslim communities and the so called moderates know who they are. The so called moderates are turning a blind eye to these cells. One day they will strike again. Bet on it!

God Bless American and God Bless our brave and wonderful military people and God Bless George W. Bush and John McCain. We have to elect McCain or we are in deep dodo.

Bubba

S.2433
This is an excerpt from Phyllis Schlfly about the bill that Nobama sponsored. According to the article a voice vote was taken so that no paper trail of its supporters would be available.
"Rumors have been circulating around Capitol Hill that a few activist groups have renewed their surge and have begun lobbying full force for a bill introduced by presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL). The bill has already passed out of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee without any public hearings, and it also passed the House earlier this year. It is important to note that both of these votes were 'voice votes,' which was a deliberate strategy of the congressional majority so that no record would be kept of those who voted in favor of this problematic bill."
845 B I L L I O N M O R E than we already hand out to the rest of the world. Nybody wanna deny this is socialist pandering.

When the feminists get on board...
One question of our era is, Where are the feminists? With the terrible treatment of women in the Muslim world, why are feminists silent?

There are some feminists (like Lynne Stewart) who actually imagine that Muslims are their ally in destroying patriarchy here in the U.S. This is like a Jew who imagines that Nazis are his allies in destroying anti-Semitism. But supposing that feminists come to their senses, what consequences will there be?

The positives:
1. There will be fewer charges against conservatives of being xenophobic.
2. There will be much more pressure on Muslims to assimilate into Western culture.
3. There will be a more nuanced view of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, as feminists demand that the Palis start treating their women better.

The negatives:
1. It won't be called assimilation. It will be called something like moderate multiculturalism.
2. Muslims themselves won't be singled out. It will be argued that a broad range of immigrants (Hindus, etc.) are in need of sensitivity training.
3. Conservatives won't be thanked for their concern about Muslim women. Feminists will find some way to blame them.

This is just to warn you of what might be ahead.

Polly
You are very correct in your 12:29 response. So this brings up the real reason why countrties over seas like Obama and the libs. Their tax plans are driving corporations over seas and making those countries wealthy. Ask the Irish. Sinse US businesses have been forced out of this country the Irish people have welcomed them and are one of the fasted growing nations today. Other countries have their arms open to US business, including France, because they know they will also prosper.


Taft
I admit that Bush has managed to get much of what he wants from a congress now dominated by Dems, though don't you wonder how such a stoopid person could succeed so well?

He hasn't quite managed to convince those same Dems that we might help to gain energy independence by drilling for our own oil. Of course, they're hoping that the American people will be so upset with the price of gas (which leads to high-priced food and everything else delivered over the road) that they will vote B.O. into office; thus they have little incentive to try to make the lives of their subjects a little easier.

And I sometimes have to turn off Fox News, as they are covering the Obama trip a bit too fully for my poor, tired brain to process. But I do enjoy seeing news people who seem to like America and who aren't suffering from BDS.

And I enjoy the occasional glimpse of our military who are proud to be serving our country and believe in their mission. Unlike the message I got when I accidentally landed on NPR a couple of weeks ago: a message from someone in our military service in the ME, stating that "We are doing our part. Now, America, do YOUR part and get us outta here!!!" Two different and contradictory takes on this war we're fighting. You listen to yours, I'll listen to mine.

BO'S HAMAS ENDORSEMENT
Ahmed Yousef, chief political adviser to Palestine’s Hamas Prime Minister Ismail Haniya: “President Carter, who is one of the few Americans to truly understand the Jewish problem, has told us that Senator Obama can be trusted to follow the same anti-Zionist path to peace that he has advocated.”

Where are the congressional hearings? Fat Chance.




Mr. Hill sayz:
Mr. Obama lied to the Israeli reporter - - and to the rest of the world - -

I'M SHOCKED, SHOCKED I TELL YOU! NOT.
Mr. Hill,
What the “majority” of Muslims means to me is still communism. In my way of thinking all those societies who say all of us must be of one mind are socialist. So the following is my list of communist.
1- Soviet Union
2- Hitler of course
3- Muslims
And any nation who acts in this manner.
Of course the US is not amoung them, yet which is good, because I do not like Marxist like Obambi.
5 stars for being the opposite of Obambi

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Thomas Jefferson
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http://www.patriotsrevolt.com/

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ModMark
You are somewhat correct.

Universal health care in the UK has done more harm than good, it just doesn't work, just as it has not worked in Canada, or anywhere it has been tried. Even Castro did not use his own healthcare system. These systems just lead to long waiting lists and death when on this list.

Canadans flock to America when they have any serious medical problems.

In America though, we have people (libs) who because of their arrogant nature, seem to think that they can do it better than the rest of the world. This will only lead to failure in our healthcare system if it goes thru.

Robert
You've nailed one reason I'm not a Bush cheerleader (in addition to the reason so many Republicans chose to kick out their representatives). Congrats.

But I do like his suggestion that we actually bring up some of our OWN oil to add a bit of supply to meet the world's ever-growing demand. Although Nancy's long-term solution to our problem ("Release oil from the Strategic Oil Reserves; after all, it's the Americans' oil"), certainly shows her wisdom. She doesn't quite recognize that the oil on federal lands actually belongs to us Americans, also, but that she acknowledges a property interest of ANYONE is progress.

Robert
Actually, now that I think about it, the Republicans voted FOR drilling for our oil. I believe it was The Great Clintoni that vetoed that, mainly because it would be "10 years" before we would benefit from it. Another wise Democrat, 12 years ago.

DUMB BUSH DHIMMICRAT MANTRA
Polly wrote: "how such a stoopid person could succeed so well?" directed against President Bush, an MBA graduate from Harvard Business School before gradeflation. Shouldn't it therefore follow that Harvard is in the habit of graduating idiots, like say BO, after gradeflation?

But then again when do liberal lemmings follow any laws of logic?


What Is Obama?
In PC terms and MSM journalistic jargon, he is a Liberal, Progressive, Democrat, Socialist. True, Obama is all of that but he is "more" and that "more" makes Obama and the dupes that follow him dangerous. Obama is a Communist, schooled in Marxist thought by his Communist mentors. Obama is a Communist that hates America, schooled in "hate America" for 20 years by Jeremiah Wright and Louis Farrakhan. Obama is a well funded Communist, funded by the billionaire Communist George Soros. Obama is a Communist and that is what the American people need to be told at every chance. Obama is a Communist, Obama is a Communist, Obama is a Communist. Elect him at your peril.

Polly
I bet Bush knows how to spell stupid.

POLLY
Apologies, I did not include you in the ranks of liberal lemmings - However, I think the mantra of every Republican being dumb and every Democrat being a genius has worn a bit thin.

ModMark
You ask, "What is wrong with all benefiting from the wealth that open markets have created?" My position is that capitalism, aided by open markets, HAS benefited ALL in this country.

As evidence, I recommend that you compare the lifestyles of "the poor" in the U.S. to "the poor" in any other country In fact, compare it to the lifestyle of "the middle class" in most countries, and even "the rich" in many countries (not to include those countries benefiting from our being forced to forgo our own oil in favor of buying theirs).

Obviously your problem, as well as Obama's, is that it has benefited those who work hard more than it has those who choose not to work at all. See, there again I maintain that allowing people to be rewarded for working hard, well, encourages them to work hard. Take away their reward, see if I'm right. You know you want to. And see, too, if it benefits "the poor" when "the rich" decide to lay back, too.

Lolo1
I chose to misspell "stupid" rather than spell it correctly and put it in quotes. It was intended to make a little fun of those who insist that Bush is brainless. Sorry if I confused you.

patriotic
Sorry. My comment about Bush's intelligence was tongue-in-cheek. That is, if he's so dumb, what does that make those who are "tricked" by him into supporting at least some of his efforts to keep America safe(er)?

I need to be more careful.

Sugary Sweet
Is another person who wants everything handed to them from the sweat of others=communist.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Thomas Jefferson
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http://www.patriotsrevolt.com/

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Sugary Sweet
Please list any McCain supporters, friends,
advisors or mentors who are "Anti-Amerika," believe in persecuting freedom of Christian worship, or have advocated the overthrow of the U.S. government.

BO's list in those categories is legion. Beware of those "clingers," like myself, in November!


Religious State
To Modmark:
Do you have any idea of what a religious state is? It's a theocratic dictatorship. Now can you name or cite, other than an islamo-nazi dictatorship, another theocratic dictatorship? And please don't Vatican City as your example.

Sugary Sweet
">>The current head of which nation was in a scandal involving a gay call boy?" HUH???

Other than that, so what's your point?

A Slip of the Tongue
I believe was a slip-of-the-tongue that reveals his true character. "Stand with the vast majority of Muslims" sounds eerily like his AUDACITY OF HOPE promise "stand with the Muslims" if things "turn ugly".

BHO may not be a "card-carrying Muslim", but are there any so blind they cannot see what hie true allegiance is?

Pelosi
Polly-"Release oil from the Strategic Oil Reserves; after all, it's the Americans' oil."
she wanted to release 10% of the Reserve. That is less than 3 days oil sup;ply. That would do absolutely nmoting to bring down the cost of gas.

Sugary
Oh, I guess I see your point.

Please turn OFF MSNBC and turn on Fox. Now relax, absorb, open your mind. Smile.

If after performing that exercise daily for 1 week you still hate America, please vote enthusiastically for Obama. I believe you two have a whole lot in common.

Bubba
Certainly. But it does give her another opportunity to show us how little President Bush cares about us. And how very much poor little rich Nancy DOES care about us.

For about 3 days.

But not enough to sink an oil well or build a refinery here in America, for goodness sake. (Unless, of course, Obama wins the presidency; he and he alone might be able to convince the Dems. Like Clinton convinced them in '98 that Saddam had to GO. Ahh, how quickly they forget.)

Sugary Sweet
is obviously a member of the indoctrinated "party of the people" to which socialists, radical Muslims, unabashed terrorists (Ayers), "anti-Amerikans," and communists naturally gravitate, unlike those "worshipping" clingers who will decide this election.

Sugary, please provide some of your "intellectual" insights at a BO townhall meeting.

No- wait - Barack Hussein Mohammed Obama doesn't "do" townhalls. Wonder why?

Summers-SUBJECT CHICKAREE
All of those incidents were TESTS, and "we" flunked!

Result: 9-11!I don't much like Geo. W, but he DID take the concrete action DEMANDED BY THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS. Unfortunately, he got sidetracked until GEN Petraeus took over.

Keep in mind the "vast majority of (peaceful) Muslims DO support terrorist. Look at all the organizations found (so far) to be "fronts" for funneling funds to the terrorist.

Also, keep in mind that not one - NOT A SINGLE ONE - of those "peaceful Muslims" has condemned the actions of the terrorist.

"Robert" shoots himself in the foot....
AGAIN.....


NO NAVAL OFFICER would ever jeopardize his career by violating the UCMJ like that.... again and again and again and again and again...... etc. IN PUBLIC!!!!



Obama lying?
Democrats don't demand any kind of virtue from their potentate-prophets. As long as the welfare plantation keeps growing, bailouts of all kinds are but one whine away, and socialism continues to spread in the country, the typical Democratic voter will ignore any vice.

Obamaramadama can lie through his teeth as much as he wants. His kool-aid drinkers will still bow before him. He's their god, their messiah, their future dictator and master, and his lemmings love him. Seig Heil, brutha Obama!

Sugary
I'm glad you admit that the Left is lying when it shouts that Bush is dumb.

But as to those of us who voted for Bush--twice--can you blame anyone who preferred Bush to Nobel Prize winner Algor, king of the global warmist do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do hoaxers, or, later, to the man who returned from Vietnam and "stretched the truth" about his former fellow "fighters" (the quotes refer to Kerry's "fighting," not to the fighting of those he demeaned and lied about) in the Vietnam conflict?

Christopher Hitchens covered that

question quite well........

"Bush is stupid' is the joke that stupid people laugh at."

Once a demagogue Always a demagogue
That what Hussein Obama is all about, from demagogue to forever flip-flopping to usurper of fame and credit and reverse gear back to demagogue.

red nancy wants to
Release oil from the Strategic Oil Reserves

The dolt commie is not smart enough to remember it was set up for emergencies, Installed after the huge Gas Crisis back in ’73-‘74, and disasters which affected refineries.
Its mission is to prevent a national emergency from becoming a national disaster by providing at least a short term oil supply during a crisis.
How many 3 day supplies would they release to make it look like they are doing something (work and congress is an oxymoron as a 9% approval rating proves.) But putting the nation’s security at risk for each of us to save just a few cents is, quite literally, quite stupid.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Thomas Jefferson
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http://www.patriotsrevolt.com/

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mrbmrb - religious expert
I'm not a religious expert like you, but why did you stop with those examples? I remember being taught (in SS) that God commanded the Isralites to kill every man, woman, and even the animals of the enemy. Hmmmmmm!

I also remembered being taught that Jesus said HE was sent to "fulfill" the laws and prophesies of the Old Testament. In other words, the mass destruction of enemies, making animal sacrifieces, etc., were no longer necessary because Jesus became the "perfect sacrifice".

HIS teaching is considerably different! "Go into all the world" to preach the story of salvation. Muslim-Islamism is "conquer the world and kill 'non-believers'(non-Muslims)".

Robert
Well, at least on 9/11 the Left stopped screaming that BUSH STOLE THE ELECTION, BUSH WAS APPOINTED BY THE SUPREME COURT, etc., and for weeks they were united with the rest of the country (other than those who proclaimed that we just got what we deserved, apparently including B.O.'s mentor Wright). I enjoyed that brief interlude, when we were all united in our anger at the terrorists.

Even now they merely continue to SAY it, not SCREAM it. Still idiotic but at least not so loud.

And that would be the Fox that refused to demand that we accept defeat in Iraq and give bin Laden another victory.

Do you EVER wonder what would have happened if the Dems and the Republicans had been united against the terrorists and in the desire to win in Iraq? Think a terrorist might have become just a little disheartened?


"Robert": First of all, you're WRONG

again about Ramos and Campean.

You haven't even the slightest clue about what you yammer, yammer, yammer.

And, again, NO ONE CARES what you post! You're taking up bandwidth.

Shooo.... go away.... defend freedom in front of WalMart or something...

Misquoting President Bush
Sugary Sweet

From Wikiquote: Stop throwing the Constitution in my face. It's just a goddamn piece of paper!
Originally cited here but later retracted due to lack of verifiable source.


It really is important to do your own fact checking rather than to rely on partisan pukes.





Sugary Sweet
Your generalizations are hilarious! You should have checked for the urine in your cheerios before digging in!

wobbiehal seatbuffing fool sayz:
you may like law breakers...I do not...

So do you cry or smash the mirror when you look in it?

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Thomas Jefferson
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http://www.patriotsrevolt.com/

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joseph
but this is the Bible im quoting Joseph, the one which has the name of the person n you were named after. the Bible. Dont you believe it to be the inerant wordof God? what are you, ? shame on you. according to the quote that i wrote you will have to be one of the first to go. stoning is the preferred method i believe. just think. well get you before w get the mulims because you are closer.

Oh "Robert": Get a grip... with false

and incomplete "evidence."

Ever heard of an appeal?

And, how about this? You've been convicted, by the TH posters of being too stupid and irrational and psychotic to post here any longer.... So you have to leave... for ever!

Bye! :-)

three puttin dude
kinda bragging in your title arent you? this is the bible im quoting bub> thats god talkin Bub/ Be careful what you say about the written inerant word of god. it will snap up and get you.

animal
if i supplythe hard boiled eggs will you pretend yo are a zit?and hold it? TRUE REAL HONEST TO GOD CHRISTIANS such as myself and perhaps three or four othere,aall with my name who truly understand accpt
both books of the bible as inerently right and the word of god. ask the next fundamentalist you see what he thinks.you probably wont have any trouble picking him out of a crowd. by the way i do wish the rest of you , the mauve christians sometimes referred to as beige christians would make up your minds about what you believe. . doesnt make a heck of a lot of difference in the long run because youll wind up in hell anyway but just for my sake,. im doing research and it would be so much easier. my work in on apostasy.

Sugary Sweet
As someone already told you, I would have picked Bush over any of the dem/commie choices.
If you like al bore you can always contribute to his carbon credit company. Being a shyster is what he does.
Look they are all after what they can rob and for the power and most people vote for who will do the least damage. Until we do away with the two party system and all of its inherent BS, we must all vote our best. I was hoping for Duncan Hunter, but it didn’t happen.
But, I do wonder what all the people with BDS, lib and otherwise, are going to be screaming about next. Who will they go after then?

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Thomas Jefferson
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http://www.patriotsrevolt.com/

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
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"Iran's Tyrannical Leader"
Ahmadi-Nejad is NOT the "tyrannical leader" of Iran. Actually, he is not even the most powerful political figure in the country. He does not even command the armed forces. Perhaps the author should try just a little bit to get some facts straight before writing articles.

Since there is no central authority in Islam, of course there is no "website" that speaks for "the vast majority of Muslims." Islam does not have the equivalent of a Pope or a Vatican. The actual Pope in Rome, however, does seem to be solidly against American interventionism across the globe, as well as the phony, lie-driven "war on terror."

Got this link from Glenn beck
BO can't even be honest about his birth or present a 'genuine' certificate? If this is true, it SURELY EXPLAINS BO's indifference to America.

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12993.htm

1 in 3 Muslim students approve killing

for Islam

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=70673

"'Stop talking about celebrating diversity and focus on integration and assimilation'"

"If ignorance and poverty are responsible for the growth of extremist views in the Islamic world, someone needs ask to Muslim students, privileged enough and bright enough to attend some of the United Kingdom's best universities, why one-in-three of them endorses killing in the name of Islam...................."


Hey seatbuffer wobbiehal
My bad. Was that were you were court bailiff? Or were you there in your law enforcement capacity? Maybe you were flying your navy plane over and overheard the trial? Then again maybe you were on night patrol? Probably closer to the truth, it was a deportment hearing. I wonder if that’s why you are so hot after MCain, maybe you’re hoping for amnesty for a reason. I got your "F" puke.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Thomas Jefferson

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http://www.patriotsrevolt.com/

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Obama, the truth is out there
The more I read about him, Senator Obama, the more I want to see him defeated. Since a majority of the press is hiding information about his background including FoxNews They’re trying so hard to be fair and balance they are allowing important facts to get away about his associates (as well as his wife) who are involved with him currently as well previously. And, I am not talking about Rev. Wright; he’s the least of our worries. I honestly think he is clearly NOT Presidential in the least, but he certainly is a great illusionist who can fill the void left by Siegfried and Roy at the Mirage in Vegas.

Since the left-bias media doesn’t want Americans to investigate Senator Obama and clearly they refuse to do it themselves. On my own I have found a mountain of information about him, his wife “associates” and backers. To use a phrase from a popular Fox show, The Truth is out there… and it’s not that hard to find this information either. Do a search of Obama’s name with those “radicals” names and a mountain of information suddenly appear? This man makes Bill Clinton look like a alter boy. We all know how dishonest Bill was to the public and the numerous stories fabricated about “good ol’ Billy” to hide his past and present activities.

At this point I think the public has a “right” to request the FCC look into the practices of the media regarding “NEWS”. I believe that they are no longer “reporting” the news but they are now manufacturing the news to fit the President candidate that best fits their needs. According to the FCC, the news media should follow that Federal candidates the right to purchase reasonable amounts of time. State and local candidates have no such right, but like federal candidates, are entitled to equal opportunities when their opponents have purchased time or been given free time or discounts.

seatbuffer wobbiehal sayz:
in federal prison...and the inmates love sugary sweet people...just dont bend over.

Listen to him on that, he is an expert!

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Thomas Jefferson

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http://www.patriotsrevolt.com/


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