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Sunday, June 22, 2008
Austin Hill :: Townhall.com Columnist
Obama Bows to Muslim Demands
by Austin Hill
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Barack Obama succumbed to Muslim demands.

It started at a campaign event that Obama held last Monday, at Detroit’s Joe Louis Arena. There have been very few news reports about this matter, but they all seem to point to a consistent turn of events.

Before the event kicked-off, a campaign staffer (who apparently was female and black, should anybody care) approached two young men in the crowd and asked if they’d like to sit up on the platform, and appear behind Obama while he was speaking from the podium.

As the two guys accepted the invitation, one of them asked the campaign staffer if he could bring his “friends” along. The staffer then began inquiring about the friends - - what do the friends look like, how are the friends dressed, and so forth. And when it became apparent that the friends were women with traditional, Muslim-looking head coverings, the staffer said “no” to the request.

According to one report, the staffer indicated that nobody wearing any kind of head covering would be permitted on the candidate’s platform - - no ball caps, no scarves, nothing.

Obama finally arrived at the arena and the event got underway. But after the fact, the two supposedly “snubbed” Muslim women unleashed a carefully orchestrated public relations campaign of indignation, and victimization.

Now let’s get something straight: the careful screening of people who will appear within camera shot of a candidate or an elected official is standard practice. This is an especially crucial process in cases of presidents and presidential candidates. By our own cultural standards, it seems harsh to offer or deny opportunity to people based solely on their physical appearance. But the appearance of the people surrounding an elected official (or candidate) is almost as important as the appearance of the official himself, and they are both a part of the image, and therefore the message, that the official is trying to project.

Bill Clinton and George W. Bush have taken this kind of “image making” to new levels of sophistication. When President Clinton would deliver a speech from a podium to a “general audience,” there would almost always be both white people and black people visible behind him, even within the most narrow of camera shots. President Bush has followed this practice, expanding the “image base” to include overtly Hispanic, Native American Indian, and Asian-looking people in his midst.

And this is why, when Michelle Obama appeared at Carnegie Mellon University prior to the Pennsylvania Democratic Primary election last April, the campaign staffers made for certain that there were lots of white folks on the platform behind her. Hillary Clinton was walloping Barack Obama in the polls among white voters (she went on to wallop him among white voters in the election), and Team Obama needed to convey the image that, despite his being black, white voters still go for Barack.

And the Obama gang was doing its job last Monday in Detroit. That meant no women in Muslim-looking head gear on camera with the candidate. Why? For one thing, Obama is fighting the perception that he is, himself, a Muslim. Similarly, the imagery of Muslim-looking women and men symbolizes terrorism in the minds of many Americans. Obama cannot appear as though he’s being friendly, or accommodating, with terrorists.

So two Muslim women were denied the privilege of appearing on camera with Obama, and they apparently went about pitching a fit. And right then and there, even as Obama was delivering his speech at Joe Louis Arena Monday - - Sharif Aref , the brother of Hebba Aref, one of the snubbed Muslim women, was speaking on microphone to reporters, delivering a well-crafted message about the incident that boiled-down to three parts: A) This incident is out of character for Obama, because he has run on a platform of uniting all Americans; B) This incident has happened because Obama is trying to dispel the myth that he is a Muslim and, therefore, is distancing himself from Muslims; and C) We (whoever “We” might include) still support Obama, but he needs to apologize to “us.”

After Monday’s event, the news spread among America‘s Muslim activists, and by Thursday, Obama had personally telephoned both women, Hebba Aref and Shimaa Abdelfadeel, and apologized. On Friday, Hebba Aref told the Detroit Free Press that she had accepted Obama’s apology, and that she was looking forward to sitting on stage with him at a future event.

But what exactly was Obama apologizing for? And who are these people - - the Muslim activists - - who believe that they are entitled to appear on stage with a presidential candidate?

This incident gives every appearance of having been a “set-up:” The women dressed so as to overtly appear Muslim; they got denied the right to appear with Obama; and then they became outraged and started demanding things from Obama.

The worst part of this is that Obama acquiesced, and offered his apology when he had done nothing wrong.

The next U.S. President will face untold challenges and “set-ups” from Muslims, both domestically and abroad. If candidate Obama is so willing to meet Muslim demands in a situation as absurd as this one, how quick would President Obama be to meet Muslim demands when the stakes are higher?

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Austin Hill is a Talk Show Host At Boise, Idaho's 580 KIDO Radio, and a frequent Guest Host on the Fox Newstalk Radio Network. He is the Author of "White House Confidential: The Little Book Of Weird Presidential History," And Co-Author of the forthcoming title "The Virtues Of Capitalism: A Moral Case For Free Markets" (Northfield/Moody Press, 2010).
 
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In Response to the Question . . .
. . . at the end, the answer would be: VERY quick.

And when will we see
some of Obama's community action success stories sitting behind him on stage?

His Name
is Baraka HUSSEIN, even though we're not allowed to say it.

Obvious to me

I don't want a President that caves in to every silly demand.

I want a President that can say NO, loudly and clearly to those silly demands.


If the present Pres. had used his veto pen, often and skillfully, our country would not be in such a mess.

A Test
I have heard many pundits say they believe the Islamic terrorists and the nations that support them will find it necessary to test Obama if he becomes President. McCain is a known quantity and they know what he will do, but not Obama. Perhaps this is a beginning of the "testing" of Obama's ability to stand firm on a position. At any rate, the world is certainly watching these proceedings and drawing their own conclusions, good and bad, about our future president and how they will "deal" with him.

obama should be impeached for this
im not sure he can be as a senator but if he can the crime is serious eboiugh to warrant a full invertigation by the FBI, the CIA , the NSA ,nusandwhatever other secret organization bush has set up to spy on candidates from the other party. and if he is found guilty (assuming we can figure out what he is guilty of) he dhould be forced to read this aricle 47 times befors breakfast on one day. well teach him

A WHOLE NEW SET OF PROBLEMS
If Obama is elected, a whole new set of problems comes along for the ride. America does not have the time to deal with these silly social issues. We are at was with militant Islam.

Republican operatives
should plant muslem appearing women in all future Obama appearences.

Wouldn't that be ironic.
Hillary gets up-ended by a black man and Obama gets up-ended by muslim women.

The irony is too delicious.


The Musliims have found
ways to use every aspect of PC America to their advantages. We should ber asking them why they are not kicking out the extremists from their midst, why they are not protesting the violence, and why they continue to actually support terrorism.

Instead our politicians are apologizing to them. It makes me want to puke.

obama
the man is dangerous. too bad americans can't see it.

We can't let the Muslims win on this...
Rather than have our polititical candidates be maneuvered in making apologies like a rat in a maze, we should instead be focusing on ways to deny them such opportunity at every turn. Slam that particular door in their faces, so to speak...

This sums it up
"How quick would President Obama to meet Muslim demands when the stakes are higher?"

Try this scenario
It WAS a setup but bo didn't know about it. When it became public knowledge - as it was supposed to - he was quick to (publicly) apologize, earning (more) brownie points with the sensitive set.

A clever variation on the old maxim "do what you have to do but don't tell me so I can say I didn't know."

p.s. - please excuse the split infinitive

MRCMRC
Subject: obama should be impeached for this
im not sure he can be as a senator but if he can the crime is serious eboiugh to warrant a full invertigation by the FBI, the CIA , the NSA ,nusandwhatever other secret organization bush has set up to spy on candidates from the other party. and if he is found guilty (assuming we can figure out what he is guilty of) he dhould be forced to read this aricle 47 times befors breakfast on one day. well teach him "

I know that mistakes are made when folks post here, but this is ridiculous. How old are you? Seems that you are either 8, or 88 years of age. Whichever it is, try to proof before you post. Or, you can continue to give us a funny read. LOL

MRCMRC
This is GREAT!
"eboiugh" "invertigation"
"nusandwhatever"
HUH?????

LMAO!!!!!!

bigjer:
"THE PICTURE "HAS" BEEN PAINTED FOR YOU...!!!"

Yeah. It is obvious. Doesn't matter.

Remember the night of the long knives? The people assassinated were shouting "Heil Hitler" even as they were being shot by Hitler's men at Hitler's command.

Only white people are this stupid. They clap and cheer for the man with the blade as he is slitting their throats.

Too bad.

Who is BHO???
A formal plan for targeting America was devised three years after the Iranian revolution in 1982. The plan was summarized in a 1991 memorandum by Mohamed Akram, an operative of the global Muslim Brotherhood. 'The process of settlement' of Muslims inAmerica, Akram explained, 'is a civilization jihad process.' This means that members of the Brotherhood must understand that their work in 'America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and sabotaging its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God's religion is made victorious over all other religions.'

There is terrorism we can see, smell and fear, but there is a new kind of terror invading The United States in the form of Sharia law and finance. Condoning it is civilization suicide. Middle East Muslims are coming to America in record numbers and building hate infidel mosques, buying our corporations, suing us for our traditions, but they and the whole subject of Islam is white noise leaving uninformed Americans about who and what is really peaceful. Where is our investigative press?

Is it mere coincidence that an anti-capitalist run for President at the same time Islamic sharia finance and law is trying to make advancing strides into the United States ? Is it mere coincidence this same candidate wants to dis-arm our nuclear capability at a time when terrorist Muslim nations are expanding their nuclear weapons capability?

Is it mere coincidence this candidate wants to reduce our military at a time of global jihad from Muslim nations?

Change for America ? What change? To become another 'nation of Islam'?


God help us!!!!!!!!!!!!

Some Laughter is Good
In these difficult times, a little laughter is a good thing. Therefore, I find the postings of MRCMRC always bringing a bit of laughter into my life. I always wonder if these are well planned satire or really the ramblings of a rather confused mind. In either case, I still find them entertaining.

Keep the Terrorists from Our Shores
I don't trust any Muslim and why should I: Most have been indoctrinated since childhood into believing there is only one God and he is Allah. Europe, fortunately for us, will be a test case to see if millions of Muslim immigrants can adapt successfully to a secular society without trying to change it by adopting Sharia law.

Forget about the Mexicans, let's prohibit immigration to America by all Muslims unless they submit to a figurative anal examination of all their beliefs.

Obama will roll over
for every demand the blacks make, like reparations, which conley of Michigan is ready to introduce on day 1, and will hand this country over to our muslim enemies.

No-one appears to be listening to this clown or they're too stupid to understand his mumbo-jumbo.

He either is completely stupid/naive or he comes with an agenda from his backers/handlers.
Since no-one can be totally stupid and get a Harvard law degree, affirmative action notwithstanding, I believe in the latter.

There are people in our country that believe the current system must be totally destroyed so that they can re-make the country into a socialist/communist utopia. You know the system that has never worked anywhere but to these 60's drug abusers that is immaterial.

They and their PC garbage already have destroyed many of the institutions that made this country great, any idea, no matter how ludicrous,is pushed until someone passes a law controlling the rest of us. If we let them keep it up we will see this country descend into a pit of mediocrity from which it will never recover.
I just read where in Scotland kids cannot make Father's day cards anymore as it insults single mothers and lesbians..they have lost their minds and we are on the way to the same asylum.

Fight for Liberty Never Ends
Farmer's Wife, I'm glad there is at least one person in this country of vapid, nonjudgmental wimps who can see the writing on the wall. What most Americans don't understand is that it is a never-ending continuous fight to keep our freedoms and that will never change!

If we hesitate or refuse to fight our culture will be destroyed. It's as simple as that.

Jerseyvet, so much has...
already been destroyed and at this point in time when we have to be so PC about everything, I worry a lot!

Obama
The thought of Obama as President scares me to death. He wants change, but his change includes giving different groups of people benefits they have not worked for nor deserve, cutting back on our military when the world is becoming more and more dangerous, not wanting nuclear power when we are being held hostage by the oil producing countries that hate us and on and on. First of all, we can't afford Obama and all his socialistic programs and secondly his views of our defending our country is extremely scary. I'm not a Mc Cain fan, but he is the lesser of the two evils.
June

To chicaree
What do you think will happen if the Iranians and the other whacko islamos get the bomb?
That is the real danger.

Taking out the Iranians ability to build nukes is entirely defensible given their stated agenda. If your neighbor was building a cannon aimed at your house and stated when it was completed, he was going to "wipe you off the face of the earth" as stated by abadabanutjob, are you going to sit idly by and allow him to complete it? I guess you'd call 9-11 or in this case the feckless UN.

Only a fool would do that, yet obama claims he would sit down and discuss options with a lunatic like that and you seem to be one of those who think that's a good idea.

Personally, I would have shot his plane down a thousand miles from our shores on his last trip to the UN and saved the Iranians from what will surely come because of this guy and the regime. Had we been able to take out hitler etal millions would be alive today.

Anyone who loves this country, believes in it's ideals and wants to protect both for our posterity have only one choice in Nov and it sure as hell isn't this clown obama. Our enemies will think long and hard about attacking us or our friends with a real leader like JSM in the WH.

Caligula, you write ...
to Jerseyvet, "I know it is very scary and difficult for a narrow-minded and bigoted person such as yourself to accept anyone with different religious beliefs or skin colors from your own. However, this is America, and fortunately we have the Constitution to protect people from those who share your values."

I am of the opinion that the Constitution was written by Americans and for Americans. Discernment of the motives of people who are not Americans is necessary and without it America would not even exist.

I am curious as to how you can call a person, who by his moniker I assume has served this country, bigoted and narrow minded while defending bigoted and narrow minded people who are not Americans that have one goal and purpose in life and that is to destroy America.

Doofus, try reading what he said
Farmer's Wife:
Caligula, you write ...
to Jerseyvet, "I know it is very scary and difficult for a narrow-minded and bigoted person such as yourself to accept anyone with different religious beliefs or skin colors from your own. However, this is America, and fortunately we have the Constitution to protect people from those who share your values."

I am of the opinion that the Constitution was written by Americans and for Americans. Discernment of the motives of people who are not Americans is necessary and without it America would not even exist.

I am curious as to how you can call a person, who by his moniker I assume has served this country, bigoted and narrow minded while defending bigoted and narrow minded people who are not Americans that have one goal and purpose in life and that is to destroy America.
______________________________________________

Anyone who proposes keeping out people by virtue of their religion (which is unconstitutional) is a bigot. You think that just because someone was in the military I should give him a free pass on holding offensive beliefs? What next - I should await Jersey Vet to walk on water?

Caligula, just one other...
thought. You would be hard pressed to make it as a farmer. Allowing the fox to come inside the hen house is a big NO NO! If you don't want to shoot the fox, fine, but you had better have a really impenetrable perimeter fence and a good watchdog.

The Constitution was written to protect us from our enemies, not the other way around. I might add that the founders also put provisions in the Constitution to protect us from our own government when they become our enemy. It is the duty of every citizen to be the watchdog.


chicaree & Caligula, ugh
.
Is the letter c-C good for crappy.??.

You both, especially Caligula, have, not seem to have, your head in a dark hole from which you smell, well you know what you smell.

Apparently you have no sense of smell, of right and wrong, but when you have your head in that well known dark hole it is to be expected.

I suggest the young or older lady among you buy a scarf and in fact full paraphenalia so that you be prepared for your new muslinm religion.

¿¿You are not religious as most socialist "do gooders aren't.??.

Well, it won't matter when your ideas of liberty are carried out. Muslims insist that you die or conform. I suspect from your ramblings about "rights" that you will conform to the request to don the "vestiments and adhere to all the rules, ie., no participation in politics, reserved for men only, no talking, singing or other exercize of ordinary concept in a public arena, etc., etc., etc.

If you are male and agree to this condition of women then you are the lowest class of human beings on this green easrth.
.
.

Substitute MUSLIM for Manchurian
Candidate and what do you get? Barack Hussein Obama.

Oh. Here we go. If you don't trust
Muslims then you're a bigot, etc etc. Blah blah blah. Typical left wing drivel. Don't waste your time Farmer's Wife.

Caligula, Sheesh...
guess you are not interested in civilized conversation. So be it!

I'll be 10 8 now, over and out!

If only
I would, if only you were civilized.

Savor the sweet air of your lily-white world.

Giving Attribution ...
Farmer's wife failed to mention that her original comment is from an article by Rich Carroll: "The Jihad Candidate."


obama is just another..........
DON KNOTTS.....DIFFERENT COLOR!YOU REMEMBER
DON, WENT OUT TO CATCH THE BAD GUY WITH ONE BULLET! AND SHOOK SO BADLY THAT THE CAMARA HAD
A HARD TIME FOCUSING ON HIM!
AM I WRONG?
ELVIS

demonizing groups of people
These columns too often stoop to the lowest levels of demonizing a whole group of people, and playing on people fears and prejudice of people who are a bit different than they are. Demonizing a group of people with different religious beliefs and cultural practices has been successfully all too often. The most successful was Hitler against the Jews and look how that turned out. Put people under stress as the depression did and seeming sane people do or allow insane things to be done. We also did it during the second world war and shipped people of Japanese ancestry into prison camps. NOT all muslims are terrorists. The ones I know are good caring people who have the same values of cherishing family and working for a better world as the rest of us.

Be careful of what you read and analyze what they articles are saying.

Obama was a muslim
The issue democrats don't want to confront is not whether Obama is a muslim or not. The answer Americans would like to know is why is Obama denying that he WAS a muslim. It is a fact that Obama at a young age knew that he wanted to be President of USA. Therefore he gave up his muslim faith and converted to Christianity. Obama knew that he was unelectable as a muslim. Why deny your Arab Muslim heritage. If the people cannot trust Obama on something as basic as his childhood religion, then he is not worthy to be President.

Jane...
"Why deny your Arab Muslim heritage. If the people cannot trust Obama on something as basic as his childhood religion, then he is not worthy to be President."

PW: His father was from Kenya...in Africa. His mother was from Kansas...in America.

So, pray tell, how does that that translate into an Arab Muslim heritage?

Are you on meds?

Perry
Obama's paternal grandfather was a muslim. Listen Robert, there is nothing to proof. It is a fact. Do I have to proof to you that the earth revolves around the sun. Obama's father is a muslim and any muslim man with any dignity would never allow his son to be anything else but a muslim. Ask any muslim preacher or imam. Or better yet, ask a male muslim friend of your (if you have any?) whether he would allow his child be to baptised as a Christian. I think you know the answer to that. Apostates in Islam are killed if you don't already know.

Let's face it. Ideologues such as Ayers
and Dorhn do not promote anything that does not compliment the parameters of their beliefs. For them to openly support Barack Obama, to use their own house as a fundraiser for him speaks volumes. These are people who time and time again have expressed--both in word and deed--their intense hatred of all things American. Yet Obama would have us believe that even though he lies down with these dogs he doesn't have fleas. Sadly, it seems, there are those on the left who actually take him at face value, much to the detriment of this great nation.

Perry..
Obama's paternal ancestors came to Kenya from North Africa. Obama is an arabic name just as much as Osama (bin Laden).

To all the "PC" people
.
When the sword in Muslim hands hangs over your neck just 1 second away from it's downward stroke, maybe it will occur to you that your suffering during the days leading up to the swqord and that of millions more could have been avoided.

But that would be too much to ask of mentally and intellectually and morally backrupt characters like you.

So you think I am a RACIST. think again.

All o0f my children are darker than most Americans and the small pool of American native in my blood is not the reason. But, being a proud patriotic American goes back about three and one half centuries, and we only left the old country because there was a noose waitng for people of the wrong politics. Noose or sword the result is the same. Only winners are finishers. Only winers write the history books.

With your politics you had better start practicing in a different language and alphabet. Of course you will only read what they want you to read. Hysterics.??. No, only folls talk like you do.

Are there good and fair people among the Muslims.??. Yes, of course there are. Were there good and fair people among all the groups of conquerors in histroy.??.l Absolutely, yes.

Are you all, I am from Texas even if my present address is Florida, aware of how dangerous your PC "philosophy" ids and how3 far into dangerous and unprwedictable territory it can and will take us as a people.??. Obviously you are not or otherwise youy would shut your mouth and rethink the entire situation. You are mental children, not real adults.

He dicho..
.
.

Jane, Don't waste your time
Replying to Robert. He is here illegally as he has been banned repeatedly, yet keeps inventing new email addresses to get back in(he's had posts under 16 DIFFERENT SCREEN NAMES deleted in the last week alone) since he's already stated, many times, that no one will stop him from being here.

The best wayt to handle Robert, no matter what his screen name is, is to just ignore him altogether as EVERY OTHER SANE(which leaves out most of the libs) POSTER here is doing.

so I am a bigoted, narrow minded...
racist, or Doofus in your words. You presume to know a lot about me, none of which was discernible in anything I wrote.

Tell me Caligula, do you think it would be OK if I check to see if the snake (also accused me of being a snake handler) has rattlers before I handle it?

I am not your enemy, nor do I live in a "lily white world". Were you calling me a typical white person? Can I assume that by doing so that you are a typical person of some color or other, maybe pink or yellow?


a turd by any other name...
Farmer's wife: "so I am a bigoted, narrow minded...racist, or Doofus in your words. You presume to know a lot about me, none of which was discernible in anything I wrote. Tell me Caligula, do you think it would be OK if I check to see if the snake (also accused me of being a snake handler) has rattlers before I handle it? I am not your enemy, nor do I live in a "lily white world". Were you calling me a typical white person? Can I assume that by doing so that you are a typical person of some color or other, maybe pink or yellow?"

Anyone who would deny entry to a person based on their religion or race is indeed a bigot. You are a bigot, so deal with it. Obviously you feel conflicted over this view you have, or you would proudly declare that "Yes, I am a bigot, and I cannot tolerate anyone of a different faith or color than me."

And no, I am not Asian (clue to bigot Texan woman: "yellow" is considered offensive to call Asians). I only get pink in the sun. I also find it interesting that in your opinion, only a minority would be offended by your view point. Get a life. We whites aren't all typical Texans.


The irony here
is that by capitulating to this very small handful of Muslims to get their vote he may have lost many more votes in the process.

Except for the libdolts here who swill kool aid in place of thinking because that is just easier. If you guys had a brain in your head you would be a little miffed that these Muslims set up then shook down your candidate.

Perry White

As usual you open your mouth and insert your foot. Not only did his mother marry a Muslim but she practiced the faith as well and consented to have her child reared as a Muslim. they would not have married otherwise because that is the Muslim way. In Islam, if one is born a Muslim they are Muslim for life.

Now Obama claims to the world that he is Christian which opens up a whole host of problems for him of the Islamic kind. Islam does not like converts, especially those of the Christian kind.

Good morning, FW and Lolo.
FW. A few things that are known about the Roman Emperor Caligula. He was a cruel, insane tyrant and sexual deviant, (known for sleeping with males and young boys) and was finally assassinated by his own Praetorian Guard after a reign of roughly three and a half years.

Hi Lolo. Haven't been to the chat room lately, so how are you? Well, I hope. Cheers.

Lame Argument

I may be wrong (I often am), but I can't imagine that the "Muslim" approach is an effective way to defeat Sen. Obama in November. Short of incontrovertible evidence tying him personally to an Islamist sect, the Muslim charges will gain no traction with the voting public and risk a backlash along the lines stated (most rudely, but the way) by posters such as Caligula.

The only possible hope that the GOP has to defeat Sen. Obama in November is to limit their arguments to those that actually describe the Illinois messiah: that he's (i) a multicultural populist; (ii) an economic socialist and (iii) a foreign policy appeaser.

Unfortunately for Sen. McCain and the GOP, our most of their spokespersons appear to be "stuck on stupid" -- e.g., this lame article by Mr. Hill.

Caliguala, not a critical
thinker are you? Yellow is also offensive to cowards and pink is offensive to wanna be commies, since you exhibit both traits it was meant to offend you and no one else. Seems to have worked.


that figures Motley...
losers usually pick losers to imitate.

Long time no see, good to hear from you! Hi to you too LoLo!

MRCMRC
Keep off the juice. Drugs are bad.

muslim heritage
The years obama huessain spent in muslim schools, part of it in wahabbi training provides ample proof of his arab muslim heritage.

This country will long suffer and soon regret it if the magic muslim is installed in the White House. Mark these words.

traitorbill (Reply #50)
had a great idea. Republic operatives should plant Muslim looking women in Obama's audience.

I'd go a little further. I'd plant both Muslim looking men and women in the audience and have them do the Muslim cheer every time Obama is applauded by his audience. The Muslim cheer is that sort of shrill tongue flapping thing they do.

I would also make sure that they get their Muslim faces in front of every TV camera they can find.

Remember when that big cigarette thing followed Bob Dole all around the country? Well, the same idea applies.

Nice reasoning, farm girl
Farmer's Wife: "Caliguala, not a critical
thinker are you? Yellow is also offensive to cowards and pink is offensive to wanna be commies, since you exhibit both traits it was meant to offend you and no one else. Seems to have worked."

So by not being a racist, I must be a coward and a Communist? Sounds like really critical thinking there.

Also, it's spelled Caligula.

hypocrite
Caligula is apparently a hypocrite. Preaching acceptance but only of those groups that are acceptable to him. Being a bigot of Texans must be ok though.

Unrelated note
Has anyone else been able to open today's Doug Giles article? I keep getting a list of writers when I click on the link. It's the only article that is doing this.

Methusela
Methusela: "Caligula is apparently a hypocrite. Preaching acceptance but only of those groups that are acceptable to him. Being a bigot of Texans must be ok though"

Only the stupid racist ones.

Isn't that supposed to be "Methuselah?"

caligula
how quaint- everything in the world revovlves around your blackness--know what? nobody cares.
The country is long past your attempts to create racial guilt
take a hike

Bobaz #65. Good thinking Bobaz.
:-)

name spelling
I hate to point this out.....but Methusela is not my real name and if you are talking about the Methuselah in the Bible, then, yes that's how you spell it. I only chose the name because I feel as old as he was not because I know anything about the Bible.

"Only the stupid racist ones."
Then is it ok for me to be bigoted against Jeremiah Wright? He's obviously racist.....probably not stupid though.

back to the topic
I find nothing wrong with audience profiling. I find it pretty mean spirited. The Obama platform of change and acceptance was quickly removed from under the two Muslim women. He has a right to profile but they also have a right to complain. I don't think this will have any effect on the electorate though.

Grow a spine BO
How can anyone without Libs' pink glasses see anything in BO other than the quintessential politician who changes with the winds of public opinion? This guy doesn't have a single original idea (all his bumper sticker slogans are as old as can be) and cannot talk on any subject seriously without his teleprompter.
Being a great speaker doesn't mean you are a great leader, Obama is the perfect example. A true leader needs a spine which is obviously a missing body part on our boy BO.

Whose interest will BHO put..
first?

I look to his own words for the answer. In his book Audacity of Hope he says that should the winds of politics turn ugly he will stand with the Muslims.

He himself says that words mean something. I agree they do and he has told us the answer to the question.

muslims in America
Several people have posted concerns about not letting muslims into America and cited freedom of religion, the need to be open minded, we're a nation of immigrants etc.

The problem with islam is that it's tenets are in direct contradiction to the US Constitution. Sharia and American jurisprudence have a totally different foundation and really can't coexist.

And for you lib posters who think conservatives blindly follow GWB, I and others have serious reservations about his "nation building", in so many respects like Wilson's making the world safe for democracy. However in this case, islam has not been restrained in the process.

Look at Turkey. In order to maintain it's freedoms, they have to make sharia and islamic law bascially illegal. The question - can a country run by those who practice islam politically, be anything other than repressive? - is a serious question open to debate. A debate that I haven't seen anywhere.

islam is a virulent ideology. You simply cannot study it's history fromthe beginning and come to any other conclusion. Do we want that kind of incipid belief coming here - is a valid question to ask.

The biggest problem is - the more true to islam, the worst the behavioral consequences. Just look at the valedictorian at the islamic school in northern VA as a prime example.

For "open minded Americans", the idea that there really may be people with certain ideas we can't have here doesn't compute. It needs to start.

here are some things to think about:

slavery
oppression of women
female genital mutilation
older men marrying underage girls
polygamy for men
easy divorce for men with no consequences
subservience of all other religions, possibly resulting in execution
execution of homosexuals
no freedom of speech

It's not a pretty picture.
You can see it in living color in Sudan today.

It will probably work...
It will kprobably work for the Republicans to lay the Muslim label on Obama, with no real evidence, merely nasty allegations levelled by conservatives who can't find too many ways to inject hate into this presidential election. Just remember, Republicans, say Obama's middle name often, and loudly, make sure you keep up a steady drumbeat of charges, and don't forget mention his middle name (yeah, I know I already wrote that, but these things can't be repeated often enough...) Do this, with lots and lots of advertising money, and you'll put McCain in the White House. Congratulations.

caligula
is it possible you are using an identity other than your usual ralph ellison. Sounds like the same victim troll only with a new id

Muslims & Oil
How come America hates muslims so badly but not their oil and money? It doesn't make sense! We go pleading with Saudi Arabia to increase oil output and they listen to us. Does this not surprise you, hates?

Whosebone writes...
"muslim heritage...The years obama huessain spent in muslim schools, part of it in wahabbi training provides ample proof of his arab muslim heritage."

PW: outrageous drivel from an obvious nut job.

Not that it matters to Whosebone but there's not an iota of truth to the Muslim schools nonsense about obama.

pee wee
what makes you so sure your information is right? Why should anyone think that your infornation is based on anything but hearsay as well? Exactly how do you know there is no truth to the accusation?

That his mother was married to 2 muslims and that indonesia is the largest muslim country in the world raises the possibility that he was schooled in a religeous school and males follow the religion of their father according to muslim doctrine.

Until these matters are fully cleared up there is no one to be absolutely sure that b hussein is as he has professed to be. With his previous questrionable ability to descern his associates why should we accept his word on this matter as weel.

Muslims believe that telling lies to non-believers is acceptable practice so why should anyone be so sure b hussein is telling the truth in this matter.

Obviously no have no problem accepting the information as laid out by b hussein's campaign without question. Many of us aren't as sure or blind to asking questions like you are

roberto ...
I think you should re-think the words "hates muslims so badly." It is not "muslims" that are hated, it is the "Islamo-fascists" that are hated. They are the scum that would destroy Israel and the United States by whatever means necessary. Why? Because until now these are the only two nations on the earth that have remained erect in the saddle and not succumbed to their threats. Now, what has changed? We have allowed an inexperienced Muslim bred candidate to (nearly) reach the White House. He has talked a good game, but has he really changed? It is a question that will be answered in November by the outcome of the election.

If he is truly a changed man, we will see him continue to stand up to the Islamo-fascists. If, in fact, he is not a changed man, he will kowtow to the Islamo-fascists and we will be on our last legs as an experiment in individual freedoms.

And we will have done it to ourselves. So sad.

It is all - so sad
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As one stupid effiminate writer suggested.......
Baraka Hussein Obama:
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Are we as a group so retarded and poorly aware of history that we would actually elect this peacock.??.

God save us and the rest of the world..
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cactus fluffer asks...
"pee wee...what makes you so sure your information is right? Why should anyone think that your infornation is based on anything but hearsay as well? Exactly how do you know there is no truth to the accusation?"

PW: I can't prove the negative...that Obama's not a Muslim. Proving the negative is one of those things normal people don't attempt to do.

So the burden to prove all the nonsense you guys are tossing around falls on you.

But let's assume the accusations are true. So what if Obama was exposed to Muslim faith as a child?

Despite your best efforts to make it appear so, not all Muslims are terrorists. It's one of the faiths normal people in this country respect.

I was raised in the Presbyterian Church as a child and I don't believe any of the fairy tales that accompany organized religion of any kind.

Clearly lots of TH folks are thoroughly indoctrinated in the fundamentalist faiths of their childhoods... and in their nationalist faith in American exceptionalism.

So I guess it's hard for you folks to realize that not all of us carry the childhood fictions we were exposed to into our adult lives.

He's not stupid. he knows we would.....
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.....never elect him if it was known what is in his head and heart. Talk about Tokio Rose, this is Muslim Rose in masculine form masking his real intentions. Those intentions can't be decent nor patriotic in any part, but are meant to deceive and sunder. Of that I have no doubts, and no one else should either.

However, we have some well trained idiots from the educational system who obviously "do not get it". Nor will they ever while they still live and breath unless they get old enough (grownup and experienced) to finally rationalize that what they were taught and so fervently believed is so totally wrong.

When you see a motorized vehicle coming at you across an intersection, you don't say, I know heshe is good and means me no harm. You best get the h3ll out of the way and pray he doesn't hit you, intentionally or not.

Is it racist to defend yourself from harm.??. I rather think not. Only idiots pretend not to see danger and not seek to avoid it. Or are we so intent on proving a point that we must elect an obviously unqualified candidate who is quite probably a clear and present danger to the republic.
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pee wee
alas it is you who needs to grow up. Accepting anything without questioning proves an inability to have rational thought. But it is b hussein's job to put these rumors to bed.

The stories originate from indonesia and from muslim doctrine. But like all rumors the longer they are allowed to fester the more people tend to believ e there is something he is covering up.

While youi maintain not all muslims are terrorists what do you know about how they truly feel about having the law of sharia implimented world wide. That being their belief would make all muslims enablers.

That muslims as a group cannot condemn terrorism is far more telling. Perhpas you may think in your delusional world they can be trusted I don't hold to such lunacy. When sizable muslims born in this country claim to believe in jihad this in itself is very troubling.

But fools like you won't wake up until more terrorism is carried out by muslims and then you will start cyring about why wasn't the country protected. But then like all your fellow cowards on the left you will find a way to blame america for being attacked and having more of our citizens murdered.

I guess your being raised presbyterian explains your delusion. An article in time magazine sometime back stated that religion had the highest rate of mentally unstabled ministers. You are proof delusion is also prevalent

onceamarine writes...
"Are you so dim witted.??. What a shame you could not be present in the Nazi concentration camps to assuage and tranquilize the many people there most of whom were not Jewish."

PW: See, now that's funny...and sad. Because what reminds me of the Nazis and the jews is listening to you authoritarian demagogues talk about Muslims.

Tim McVeigh was probably a Baptist. Do the Baptists mean to kill us all, too?

BTW: You're in a tiny minority in suggesting most of the concentration camp prisoners weren't jews.

But then a lot of you folks are way out there on the edge of sanity.

Cactus lover
"That muslims as a group cannot condemn terrorism is far more telling."

This is ridiculous. After McViegh blew up the OKlahoma building, no Christians thought is necessary to condemn terrorist. Besides large and numerous group[s of Muslims have condemned the 9/11 attacks. Your knowledge of Muslims would fit in a thimble. Muslims are some of our greatest allies and have been turning in would be terrorist right and left to authorities.

Is Obama a Muslim? No more than George Bush.

Obama and Islam
"The argument is that Obama's father was a Muslim and therefore Obama would be considered a Muslim apostate by fundamentalists, even though Obama's mother was a Christian; even though his father abandoned them and Obama did not really know him; even though Obama never practiced Islam; and even though his father was himself a secularist who was known to like a stiff drink."

taft
you and that other moron pee wee are what the commies called useful idiots. Anything that comes from the left you accept without question. You lack the ability to understand the argument but show up to post the usual drivel that comes from your masters as moveon.

No one knows what b hussein is and no one klnows what he truly believes. But since he contradicts himself, continually changes his positions and lacks the ability to discern the company he keeps he does prove that people are right to question his judgement.

That is simpletons like you. But keep posting you continue to prove you are one of the dumbest of those from the left who contionue to show up to parade your ignorance.

If you are in fact a teacher I pity your students for they are subjected to you inability to discern facts. If you are as you claim a father I feel sorry for your kids as you are incapable of recognizing danger and put them at risk for your defense of those who would strike this country.

But it is you who are a total moron when it comes to muslims. These barbarians have been killing each for over a thousand years. At what point to you actually think they will become civilized. Their history has been spreading their cult by the sword. What country in the world governed by muslims does not maintain a secret police force to terrorize it's own citizens. What country have muslims emigrated to that they have assimilated. When muslims become a large enough portion of any country they demand to be governed under their own laws of sharia and that they will not be copmpelled to fillow the laws of those countries.

But I doubt you have enough of an inquiring mind to ask anything that your masters at moveon don't first tell you is true. But you alas have mastered the art of showing your naive understanding of the world

c.l.
Sorry to waste your time but after about 5 words I realized it was about the most boring thing I've read at T.H.

It is about time for your islaophobia to go away. Our troops are spilling their blood for us, and idiots encourage kids to shoot the koran and just about start another civil war. Have some mercy.

taft
what's wrong sissy boy can't stand the heat. If you want to read boring I would suggest you reread your own posts.

Since you claim this great store of knowledge about those who fund terrorism and send their minions out to kill others of their own religion refute the argument.

If muslims are such peace loving people why are hamas and the palestinean authority murdering each other.

The point remians coward you can't face the truth and you can't refute the argument. If you are so sure of your position, defend it.

As for wasting my time I enjoy refuting the arguments of the mentally challenged. Poking holes in your idiocy however remians the sport of many as you remain one of the real clowns visiting these threads

the awful truth
The misguided folks, you know who they are, that are always trying to defend islam, a blood cult,not a religion, on this site, abviously know nothing about it. That so-called religion offers non-mohammedans three choices, convert, submit or die. Not much choice, as I see it. Deny that truth at your own peril, which, unfortunately, could be mine also, if enough people refuse to recognise the threat for what it is.
Just as was the case with Mein Kampf, it is all spelled out in their nasty little, well actually not so little, book. Their ultimate objective is for the whole world to become mohammedan, and they are patient. Their non-religion has always been spread "by the sword," although the nature of the weapons used has evolved over time to bombs, and jet liners.
Oh, and I know full well that they do not like the term "mohammedan," which is why I use it. I don't like the term "descendants of apes and pigs," you see.

Political correctness
I am confused. Is Saint Obambi a Christian we should hate because he will irritate us, or is he a peace loving Muslim we should embrace because all he will do is enslave, torture, and kill us? http://www.poorgrandchildren.com

A bigger problem for Obambi
We can all state a few hundred reasons why Saint Obambi is unsuitable for POTUS. I can finally state one reason why McCain Feingold might be better. He might have seen the error of one of his ways and might now be prepared to let us drill for oil. Or, is this just another campaign promise gotcha? http://www.poorgrandchildren.com

Taft
"is obama a muslim? no more than G. Bush." WRONG!! George Bush never went to a Muslim religeous school or had a father that WAS Muslim! That is a very big difference that you could drive a semi through!

taft
mcveigh was not a Christian, you detestable idiot.

Oh yeah... You already knew that.

Tim McVeigh was a conservative Christian
He asked to listen to G Gordon Liddy in his jail cell and he looked like Glenn Beck but with a better haircut.

IF HE BOWS NOW.........
WHAT WILL HE DO AS PRESIDENT? PRESIDENTS ARE
HARDER TO STOP THAN CANDIDATES!

ELVIS

'Be afraid...'Be vewy afraid ~
Obama apologizes for the wrong things...like this set-up for which he and his campaign had done nothing wrong. But, he is unrepentant and unapologetic about his highly questionable associations with the likes of Weatherman terrorists William Ayer and wife, Jerimiah Wright, Michael Fleghl, Rezko, and others. But these are just distractions, designed to turn our heads away from the real message of his campaign..."Hope" and "Change"...whatever th' hell those are supposed to mean, since he never gives them substance, just like the good Pied Piper that he is. I recall that Adolf Hitlet railed against the way things are with his message about a better future for Germans, about a "hope" for real "change" that would improve their status, their national standing, their individual lives...And it worked for him, as he never gave specifics about how he would make all the changes he promised, or what he would change Germany into...The desperate and yearning masses of lemmings blindly followed him right into Hell on Earth. Listening to Michelle Obama, it's easy to simply exchange
'white folks' for the maligned Jews of 1930's Germany (and Europe), and we have the manifestation of the Black Liberation Theology, in which both Obama's devoutly believe. He may be only half-black by birth, but his books reveal how he has worked his entire life to 'exorcise his white demons and be all black.' There's an ugly and mean-spirited time coming to America if this fraud is elected to the Oval Office, people. We've not recently seen a clearer election example of that old adage, "the lesser of two evils" ...With McCain, we have the 'devil' we know, and with Senator Zero, we have the 'devil' about whom we know so little, except what he wants us to know, for he has the mainstream media in his pocket. Buyer's remorse is a bitter pill to swallow, especially when it could prove to change your entire way of life...

Another Tours: expel the invader
Did we seek to prevent entry into the United States by members of the Nazi Party? Did we not expel those we found who entered under false pretenses?

Think ahead.

Our enemies' ideology is called a religion, so we're all expected to look the other way.

Personally, I think there should be many more women in Mohammedan headscarves standing behind Barack Hussein. And maybe a proud imam waving a scimitar. I can't wait to see the clip on youtube of them all ululating at a campaign event.

Seriously though, this is the man for whose victory our enemies pray to their false god.


Word to Obama supporters
I have read more than one thread stating that what Obama was exposed to as a child does not matter. For the most part I agree except that as an adult on more than one occassion he has aligned himself with people who wish to turn this country upside down. Obama can't help the fact his daddy was a muslim but he can help the fact that he allied himself with Rev Wright and Bill Ayers. As an adult he has kept company with some people who's values are not exacly what the majority of Americans would call wholesome. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and hangs around other ducks then it is a duck.

Who can tell?
The thing is we can not tell a "bad muslim" from a "good muslim".In other words the radical extremist from moderates.Just like in Iraq our guys can't tell the difference because they don't wear military uniforms.So our guys are getting killed because they have to second guess whether friend or foe.That is why we need imigration in this country to investigate every person that comes here regardless period...It seems illegal imigration is a no brainer capture and deport end of story.But we must start by stopping the flow of any imigration until we get a handle on who is here.Our first obligation is to protect Americans.Obama is not going to do that.

Yo Lance29
Whether B. Hussein Obama is a Muslim or not is not in and of itself important. It's the context of the question that makes it so important. Although everyone has their flaws, it is important when choosing the leader of the most powerful nation in the world to scrutinize each candidate for past behavior in every facet of their lives. Past behavior, good or bad, is a pretty good indicator of future behavior. If one has behaved badly in the past because of misuse of drugs or alcohol, it is appropriate to ask about that behavior and if, when, and why that behavior changed. The point is to find out what kind of character the candidate has because that will always determine how their decisions are made and whether they will be able to withstand criticism and stay with their decisions. Americans and the world ultimately admire those who have the guts to stay with their convictions. Just look at the change in the european opinion of Bush over the last couple of years. European citizens have elected much more conservative leadership.
When a candidate throws away his core beliefs, whatever they be for political expediency, it should raise a giant red flag to voters. The logical point is if he/she is willing to throw that away, then everything else is expendable. In a national leader, that's not OK.

Caligula
Dont even start with the bigot crap....My disdain/distrust for o'vomit have NOTHING to with his ethnic origins. Don't forget he is ONE HALF WHITE. So, bigotry doesn't work unless it is bigotry against communisim marxisim radical muslimism and any other leftwingignorant isim you want to call it.

Muslim
If it were not for his former Muslim education and his statement in his own book about siding with Islam should the political tide change, who would even worry that he might have Muslim tendencies? But wait, these are both facts and truth, so I guess we do have cause for caution! Gosh, I hate it when the facts get in the way! There is also a picture of him in full Islamic dress in which he matches perfectly the ladies he has appeased... hum??

perry whitehead
And here is perry whitehead along with us other jerkers just a typing away just like the rest of us unwashed idiots

seawolf....scotland ! obama....!
seawolf- geeez, you mean those scots think that the children born are by products of shamrocks?!
And not fathers? Yes, it seems we are headed for the same ...............................
suicidal path. The 2% are more important than the 98% of the people in america!
But are we raising cane with our state reps.??
It all begins locally...and ripples up to the OUTHOUSE (WHITEHOUSE)!
Obamamama..is a sure "cure" for a stable america! He will cave to the Muslims and BLACK
CAUSES......michele WILL MAKE SURE HE DOES!
He already has said the blacks that are in jail should be released because..they had a rough upbringing(drug related arrests)! At least that is what I have been told?!
Can anyone confirm this????
elvis

Christian terrorist??
For anyone believing McVeigh was following the teachings of Christ, post the verses that command violence. You won't be able! Now read below what Muhammad, the throat slitter, told his followers!

"Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book (Christians and Jews), until they pay the jizya [tribute] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. (Quran 9:29)."

When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to [accept] Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them. . . . If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah’s help and fight them. (Hadith 12)

reply to onceamarine
I think I'm the person you had in mind when you wrote "stupid effiminate writer." Do you routinely call anyone with whom you disagree "stupid" and "effeminate?" Probably, since you are a conservative.

amusing
Obama handlers did not let two women in muslim garb sit behind Obama during a speech because they were afraid that some idiotic racists would produce headlines along the lines of "Obama bows to Muslim Demands."

Obama, quite admirably, decided he was not going to bow to idiot racist demands, and apologized to the women in question. But then the idiot racists voting block was never for Obama anyway, so it is not clear what he has to lose here.

Not all Muslims are terrorists
But all terorists are Muslims.

Gosh, did I say that out loud? I'm sorry. As my pennance, herewith is a list of all those terrorists who are NOT Muslim:

1....
2....
3....
4...

Hey, help me out here Perry and Caligula.

Terrorists?
I agree with thoughtful man, except for the occasional I.R.A. bombers, almost All terrorists are Moslem! [Old school non-politically correct spelling, for the last 600 years, (except for "MOORS")] In FACT, All terrorists are Religeous Fanatics. If the Moslems living here, [and Damn Few of them are Citizens, most of 'em are learning to fly hel-icopters, here in Titusville Fl., (The Space Center)so they can Hunt us down, after they take over the Gov't.] Don't LIKE IT, They can take thier Brother Moslem, Barrack, and go save Africa, and the Middle East from Themselves!!!

Barack Hussein Obama...Useless Idiot
Anyone who can't see through what this chameleon is doing needs his head examined. He is hiding his true colors,like the lizard he is.

If he is elected,don't say he didn't warn you what is in store for you. You were just too mesmerized to listen . When you come out of your'swoon',it may be too late.

American's are self centered and
want everything. Well we have everything and the Liberals want to take it away and so many American voters do not want to take the time to think for themselves and ask, what is it I want changed?

We still have our freedom, we have not been attacked since 9/11 and that is still not enough for greedy Americans.

Yes, we are seeing hard times, but does that call for surrender to the Liberal Left? I say NO, let kick them out of office at all levels of government.

Wonder where Obama gets his million dollar donations? Maybe, just maybe it is from the illegal aliens who have our jobs, they love the man and hope he becomes President. There are millions working in America and a small donation from each one could add up to millions of dollars.

Ever think of that angel?

Joy

D***ed if you do, D***if you don't
So Austin Hill goes off on Obama because some of Obama's people decided that a couple of women in hijab would cause a problem. Now suppose that Obama's people had not done this, and the two women had been seated behind the candidate. Can't you just imagine Austin Hill, not to mention half a dozen other TH writers, from attacking Obama because he had Muslims in hijab sitting behind him? Either way, you conservatives just can't let go of the Obama-Muslim connection. It torments you like a sore tooth that you've just got to keep touching. It'll probably help McCain win the Presidency--you right-wingers have a very successful 'hate Muslims' campaign going--but you're still a bunch of bigots. The real problem is that you have no shame.

BACK TO THE TOP--- GESTELL!
Gestell,

You 'spewed': 'you right-wingers have a very successful 'hate Muslims' campaign going--but you're still a bunch of bigots. The real problem is that you have no shame.'


As one of those right-wingers, I resent constantly being called words like 'bigot' by imbicilic fruits like you.

You feel that you have the right to call me that because you feel entitled solely on party affiliation? Well, you are FULL OF IT!

I mean, I know LBJ did a lot for civil rights and he was a democrat. But what does that have to do with you? I'll tell you what. NOTHING!

You're just a scared little liberal afraid of the 'big, bad republican wolf'.

BOO!! --- See, I knew you'd jump.

See, I don't hate all muslims. And I don't hate b. Hussein because he's black. I don't hate the man at all. I just don't trust a man who obviously has socialist tendancies, and who throws lies around like candy at a parade.


reply to stubob
I'm impresed at our ability to refute my points. However, you cannot ignore the fact that every day on TH many readers pile up one fantastic charge after the other against Obama, alleging his is a Muslim traitor guilty of just about every evil conservatives can imagine.

Back in 1960 JFK had to reassure Christian conservatives that if he won the election, the Pope would not be pulling the strings in the White House. Obama will probably have to make a speech in which he'll disavow Islamic terrorists and assure us that Osama bin Laden will not be spending nights in the Lincoln bedroom.

The right-wing attack machine is up and running, and it's disengenous of you to fail to recognize this fact.

By the way, what kind of conservative can possibly believe that LBJ accomplished anything good in the area of civil rights? Here's what a real conservative would say: LBJ expanded the power of the federal government, taking constitutionally protected rights away from whites and transforming blacks into a voting bloc for his party. Besides, everybody knows that MLK was really a radical leftist. So please, stubob, learn something about your own point of view.
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