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Sunday, May 04, 2008
Austin Hill :: Townhall.com Columnist
Bill (O'Reilly), Hillary Rodham Clinton, And The "Problem" Of Human Freedom
by Austin Hill
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As I watched, it, I kept hearing that old, 80’s Cyndi Lauper song in my head: “…I see your true colors, shinin’ through…”

The “it” that I’m referencing is Bill O’Reilly’s recent interview with Hillary Rodham Clinton on the Fox Newschannel. If you didn’t see it on cable tv, by all means log-on to Fox News Dot Com and view it there. For those of us who care about our nation, its politics, and the selection of our next President, this discussion is “must see” material.

I rarely ever comment on the work of other media personalities, but O’Reilly really was phenomenal. He created a sense of chemistry with Hillary like I've never seen any other media host do, and while providing appropriate moments of fun and levity (yes, O’Reilly set the tone in such a way that even Hillary seemed to possess warmth and wit), the interview was, nonetheless, very “hard hitting.” By the time you finish watching, you realize that O’Reilly managed to get at some profoundly substantive content.

Most telling, in my view, was his line of questioning - - and her answers - - regarding America's energy policy, and her plans to change it. O’Reilly launched into this subject noting that Hillary has recently proposed a suspension of the federal gas tax, and called her proposal the “same old politician stuff” because the Democratic Party has opposed ANWR drilling, and because Hillary herself has voted seven times in the Senate to oppose nuclear energy. He then asserted that both the Republican AND Democratic Parties have “sold out” Americans on energy.

“Well, here’s what I think” Mrs. Clinton replied. “I think there's plenty of blame to go around. We have not done what we should have done…”

“Even for you?” O’Reilly interrupted.

“ Oh, for all of us, for everybody” Clinton insisted.

“OK,” said O‘Reilly. “So you're taking some blame.”

From here, Clinton dodged the possibility that her policies, her positions, and her votes in Senate might possibly be problematic. Instead she went on to blame “we, the people” - - and of course, “corporate America.”

“ But consumers, drivers, political officials, the oil companies, you name it” she continued, “we're not acting like Americans, Bill. We're not in charge. And I want to put us back in charge, and that's going to…”

“OK” O’Reilly interrupted again, “so you're going to change your votes on drilling and nukes?”

“Well,” Mrs. Clinton responded. “Here's what I'm going to do, and I've said this very clearly. In the short term, I do want a gas tax holiday, but to pay for it by putting a windfall profits tax on the oil companies…”

O’Reilly challenged Mrs. Clinton on what she meant by taxing the “windfall profits” of oil companies. After dodging some more, she finally stated that she wants to “set a baseline” (presumably she means some level of profits that she believes is “okay”), and when oil companies achieve beyond that baseline, then she intends to “tax the profits.”

From here, Mrs. Clinton went on to disclose her intention to “take-on OPEC” (O’Reilly assured her that, being in Saudi Arabia and Venezuela, the OPEC bosses “don’t care what you say”), and explained that she will “change the law” so American citizens can file anti-trust actions against OPEC, as well.

When O’Reilly noted that her plans to “take action” against OPEC would likely cause oil prices to rise even further, Mrs. Clinton insisted that “we're not going to be sitting idly by acting, you know, like we can just get away with this. We've got to change the way we behave, the way we drive….”

Neither the full textual transcript, nor my synopsis, do complete justice to this exchange. You MUST view it yourself. I have viewed the “energy” section several times. And the more I watch it, the more clear it is to me that, while O’Reilly was thinking on a practical, pragmatic, “reality-based” level, Mrs. Clinton could not think beyond her ideology - - and her ideology represents a radical “left turn.”

Could it be that a foolish and abusive use of governmental power is a causal factor with our energy woes? Could it be, as O’Reilly suggested, that our government’s (and Mrs. Clinton’s) prohibition of domestic energy development is part of the reason we are now held hostage to the “monopoly” of OPEC?

Not so, for Hillary. In her leftist world, the problem is that American citizens are enjoying too much freedom. “Consumers” and “drivers” behave badly, they drive too much, and they drive the “wrong” vehicles; and American oil corporations (just as President Carter told us in the 1970’s) are once again raking in “windfall profits.”

And could it be that, to solve our dilemma, American oil corporations need to be “more free” - - more free to develop domestic oil resources? No, freedom is the problem, not the solution. American citizens need governmental power to change their behavior, to mandate that they drive less, and to mandate that they drive the “correct” vehicles; and oil companies need government to take away their “excess” revenues.

O’Reilly spoke the language of market competition and collaboration, Hillary spoke the language of government-market combat. Is her vision really, truly, the vision of our nation’s future?

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About The Author
Austin Hill is a Talk Show Host At Boise, Idaho's 580 KIDO Radio, and a frequent Guest Host on the Fox Newstalk Radio Network. He is the Author of "White House Confidential: The Little Book Of Weird Presidential History," And Co-Author of the forthcoming title "The Virtues Of Capitalism: A Moral Case For Free Markets" (Northfield/Moody Press, 2010).
 
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Hillary is winning not by her own effort
Hillary wouldn't even be able to be where she is now, it it wasn't for Bill. Women can think that when they vote for Hillary they are voting for the cause of a woman who made it on her own merit but they are wrong. I have news for them. Hillary isn't winning by her (one woman's) own efforts she is riding on the back of her husband and his connections, she couldn't make it on her own. He is the one that is getting her the nomination if she gets it, it is his reputation and popularity that is getting her what she wants. It would be nice if we could get a Real women who could win not by lying and tricks, and not by riding on men's backs, but on her own merits alone.

Government Ultimate Goal
Is to re-distribute all assests and commodities according to party loyalty.


Global Warming is just another suitable ploy to insure all power flows from the Demo-Republicrats.

Some are more equals than others: In the very near future loyal celebrities would be excused from having to use public transportation, while the anarchic and unruly American Public would be stripped of their pickup trucks and forced into cattle cars.

We will call it "progressive."

GOP CONGRESSIONAL REVOLUTION!!!
After the fall election whupping that the GOP is going to get, we will need a complete overturning of GOP leadership. We had the Presidency, the congress and marginally the Supreme Court and what did our congressional leadership do in energy or anything else? NOTHING.

Throw the bums out. They sold us out, lock, stock and barrel. Newt lost his position because he dared to lead and the old media went berserk. Imagine where we would be if they would have acted on energy six years ago: 21st century technology atomic energy would be coming online, a couple of new refineries would be working, modern enviro-friendly drilling.

The president failed in many ways, but he's on his way out. The congressional bums are still doing nothing and getting rich doing it and I am tired of it. Are you?

The Real Agenda
O'Reilly was disgustingly sycophantic toward Clinton, We are rapidly approaching the point where the government will begin distributing or withholding petroleum products based on political affiliation. Republicans and Democrats need not worry, those will be protected political parties, but anyone who chooses not to subscribe to Al Gore's Glomal Warbling religion will be cut off, as will anyone who beieves in indepeendent scientific inquiry, private property rights, or individual liberty. all of these being anathema to Ms. Clinton.

Holiday Tax
How can someone give a gift and make someone else pay for it? This is okay with Hillary.

After expenses to bring gasoline to the consumer, Exxon gets 17 cents of the dollar. The government takes 7 cents of this.

Of the 10 cents, 2 cents are given in dividends.

Making the oil companies pay the gas-tax, means another 5 cents taken from their profits.

The capitalism way is to make a product for a reasonable profit. The marxism way is to natioinalize all industries and have the government take all the profits.

Now with this gas-tax holiday, Exxon net profits are three cents, gives away 5 cents, and the government takes their 7 cents.

Seems we are on the road away from capitalism.

Does anyone trust Hillary?
Spinning? Fine. Spinning AND Lying? Not Cool.
Does anyone trust Hillary?

HP-Spin, as we usually refer to it, is trying to take facts and present them in a way that is good for one or another candidate. We see this most often when it comes to setting expectations. Candidates try to spin things to set expectations in a given election one way, so that when they meet or break expectations the media writes positive stories about said candidate having “momentum.”

Lying, by contrast, is either saying things contrary to the facts, or pretending the facts just don’t exist. We saw this most often in the Bush administration’s lead-up to the Iraq war, and more recently, in Hillary Clinton pretending that she never supported NAFTA, when, in fact, a decade of public speeches shows she did. Now, Clinton is doing something fairly new: spinning AND lying — all at the same time.

Here’s what ABC News reports that Clinton is now saying:

READ MORE

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/spinning-fine-spin ning-and-lying-not-cool

Gestell
Awesome link. I really enjoyed reading that. Thank you.

I think Gold may ultimately be proven right. When I came across this toward the end, I could only think of global warmism.

"Wired: In putting forward controversial ideas, does it help to have had the experience of seeing your cosmological theories discarded? Did that experience toughen you up?

Gold: I was always pretty tough. But the pulsar episode shaped my attitude more than anything else. My idea that rotating neutron stars were responsible for pulsars was totally ridiculed at an international conference. I was not allowed to speak from the podium for five minutes in a two-day conference because it was regarded as such a monstrous idea. That was in the spring, and I think by November or December of that year, observations of the pulsar in the Crab Nebula had confirmed every damn thing that I'd said - confirmed that the frequencies of a young pulsar would be higher, confirmed that good places to look would be supernova remnants, and a number of other things.

After that, I was never going to compromise with other people's opinions again: Just know the facts.

Wired: Don't people tend to overtrust what they are taught are facts?

Gold: Yes, absolutely. Not only overtrust, but they publish whenever they have a positive result for an accepted theory, and if they have a negative result they suppress it, or it gets suppressed by the referee."

Yes, indeedy, we have a consensus folks, nothing to discuss here. Of course, the dispute over the radio frequencies did not necessitate earth shattering economy changing draconian regulations and taxes to save us from them. And still he was ridiculed and shunned and his idea given no hearing. Imagine if the stakes were very much higher as they are with AGW. I always love to see flat earthers get proven wrong.\

Thomas Gold is a treasure alright.

Just Say "No" To Windfall Profits ....
Hey … you know what …. The government should never be allowed to take more than 7% of any individual’s income …. Anything more is windfall profiteering.

Leftist "History" Strikes Again ...
“JM051 Writes: "No Conservative Republican do not do Manhatten (sic) Projects....The Real Manhatten (sic) project was done by the FDR administration By far and away the most reviled administration to conservatives."

You confuse the issue and couldn't be more wrong. Conservative objections to FDR's administration are virtually NEVER based on a critique of the Manhattan Project. If liberals were to propose a real Manhattan Project ... ie a concerted effort to ensure the US had exclusive use of a weapon system that could end the current conflict by incinerating our enemies .... I think they'd find some support on the right..”

Mr. Hill keep beautifying Imperialism
While I have absolutely no use for most of what this lady has to say, and yet, if Mr. Hill thinks that it is ok for America to send itself to hell with its evermore Imperialistic stupidity, he and even Mr. O'reilly and all conservatives that believe in more shooting the world to pieces, can there be anything more insulting to the Founding Fathers ever?

George Washington: "Overgrown military establishments are under any form of government inauspicious to liberty, and are to be regarded as particularly hostile to Republican liberty".

James Madison:"Of all enemies to public liberty, war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ for every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the know instrument for bringing the many under the domination of a few".

Yes, Mr. Hill and others, wake up to reality! Yes, Ron Paul is the only man deserving to sit in that Oval Office, yet, you ignorant self-declared conservatives you have actually insulted America the way you have treated him. I believe that the Founding Fathers are on my side!
Imperialism will take America to hell, like all other Empires!

Besides, where oh where is America morally now, when indeed, it is the mass grave of 50+ million of unborn babies with the butcher shops adding daily thousands more? Unborn no better than trash?

Petrovian
"Don't give me that lousy and crappy economic reason." -- yeah, God forbid we should inject facts and reason into the discussion.

Let's get out of the complexities of global oil markets and put it into something more everyday, like the late great real estate market.

I find it interesting that at the height of the housing boom in, for example, Cailfornia, sellers had no problem and no conscience about putting their little 3-BR ranch houses on the market for $750,000 or more--homes that they paid in the $200s for maybe 20 years ago.

They did nothing to earn this windfall, and yet they and the real estate industry would have screamed bloody murder if the government had stepped in and said, "No, $100,000 is a fair profit to make on your home sale, and anything you make over that we're going to tax at 70%. Besides, people need affordable housing."

Everybody would have come up with a list of "lousy and crappy economic reasons" as to why the housing windfall profits tax wouldn't work, and how it would ultimately result in housing shortages. And they would have been right.

Yet many of these same people seem to think they have a God-given right to unlimited gasoline at $1.20 a gallon, regardless of what's happening in the rest of the world.

Yeah, yeah backward mind
Think about this.

Suppose the gas price goes up to $5 per gallon and Exxon makes a profit of $60 b this year, up from their $40 b profit of last year.

And you, free market capitalism zealots, don't see anything wrong with that?

Don't give me that lousy and crappy economic reason.

Certainly, you can make the case a little bit extrem to the extreme by raising the price to $6 per gallon and imagining Exxon's profit of $100 billion per year.

There is nothing wrong again? It's purely capitalism at its best?

Stupid.

If you know how EXACTLY the oil markets really work, then you can use the simple supply-demand analysis to explain the whole thing here. But even that framework is subject to some important assumptions such as free competition and etc.



Behave like Bush
SO many conservatives act like GWB did with the intelligence about Iraq. There can be one hundred scientists that take one position, but if there is even only one who holds a view that is consistent with the views of conservatices that is the one they will believe. This is what happens when you start a regid belief and then shop for a scientist to back you up rather than to listen to the proponderance of the evidence,

Concerned
What do you get when you put the fox in charge of the hen house. Mass foreclosures and Bear Sterns.

Yea, Baseball Doc
Well, Hate charter member, I get it, "survival of the fittest." Oh wait, that sounds like Darwin and we all know what conservatives think of Darwin.

Ed Meese article yanked from T.H. Lineup

Anyone interested in viewing an article written by Ed Meese on Townhall.com that was pulled last night around midnight can go to the link posted below.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/EdwinMeeseIII/2008/05/03 /the_judges_strategic_gavel&Comments=true

For some reason the article was yanked or hidden after I posted my comment???? Wonder why?

DCR

.....I am a charter member of HATE - "Humans ARE the Environment" ....

.....Our creed is that humans are superior to animals and insects and need to be in charge of the Planet ...we believe that man improves the Environment while eco-nuts and green-geeks are harmful to man ...

.....Our mission is to hunt and eat endangered species thus helping Nature to make extinct the weak while we, the strong, survive ...it is the green geekoids like yourself that try to break Natures Law ..."Survival of the Fitest" .....COLOSSUS

.....SUPPORT GLOBAL WARMTH - CO2 IS GOOD ...

GESTELLE

.....I can believe GOLD is right, as easily as the Green-geeks can believe Al Gore is right ...

.....Gold is a professor of physics while Gore is a huckster who is running a cap and trade shell game ...

.....Crude oil bubbles up from cracks in the Oceans floor where forests never grew or dinosaurs never roamed .....COLOSSUS

CORRECTION

.....PANCHO ...

.....The correct title of Gold's book is, "THE DEEP HOT BIOSPHERE" .....COLOSSUS

PANCHO 4:08

.....You wrote:

....."State your source
>There is enough oil (including sweet crude) to last us indefinitely." ...

.....Read ..."BIOSPHERE" ..."The myth of fossil fuels" by Thomas Gold ...

.....Thomas Gold is a member of the National Academy of Sciences, a fellow of the Royal Society, and an Emeritus Professor of Physics at Cornell University .....COLOSSUS

I agree with Cuban Refuge.
The candidates, this exchange, and some of the exchangers (are you listening DCR?) are all very discouraging.

Few seem willing to admit that they are not omniscient. Many like DCR seem so wedded to a particular view, that any idea that they might be in error is simply inconceivable to them. (Please see a dictionary's definition of a "bigot.")

It is easier to break a thing -- especially a complex thing like a society or an economy -- than it is to build it up. So any randomly chosen change is more likely to be destructive than constructive. It is for this reason that we should proceed into change with caution and a quick willingness to retreat.

Yet all of our candidates -- admittedly under spur from the voters -- are advocating bold action. Cuban Refuge is right; We are going to pay dearly for the thoughtless and incautious radicalism of the people "we" choose to lead us.

reply to Beeblebrox
I'm assuming you know that Prof. Thomas Gold's theory, which you seem to endorse, is rejected by most petroleum geologists. How do you know you and Gold are right, and the folks who work for the oil companies are wrong? Just thought I'd ask.

FYI: for a good discussion of the issue, including an interview with Prof. Gold, see the following:
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/8.07/gold_pr.html


HC SOCIALIST
HC sociialist

vjf

O'Reilly was too overcome with joy
O'Reilly even said he was having too much fun. He was too mesmerized by just the appearance of Hillary. Anyone who watch both interviews could tell in O'reilly's eyes Hillary is still a rock star. O'Reilly even attempted by having other guest the following day, agree that you treat women different from men when you interview them. Even O'Reilly knew what he had done. He gave Hillary the rock star treatment and he felt guilty for doing so. We all know how O'Reilly feels about the illegal issue. Did he give Hillary a pass on the illegal issue, sure he did. Did he give Hillary a pass on drilling for oil her in America, sure he did. Did he press Hillary when she didn't answer his questions, no he didn't. He gave her another pass. Is this how O'Reilly treats women differently from men when he interviews them. When Hillary spoke in an aggressive tone as if she was speaking to Bill Clinton, O'Reilly got the message and he didn't press Hillary any more. Several times Hillary put O'Reilly in his place just by changing her tone in an agressive manner and O'Reilly caved. I guess this is his way of treating women he interviews different from men.

State your source
>There is enough oil (including sweet crude) to last us indefinitely.<




JMO51
"Are you saying that all of those Conservative elected officials in Red States act just like liberals when the refineries are planned next to their communities? And if so doesn't that make them libera;s?"

Actually, I think you're on the mark, and not just for elected officials. It's amazing how some of my fellow conservatives turn into charter members of Greenpeace when a project is proposed for THEIR community (the case I'm thinking of at present involved a gas-fired electrical power plant).

correction
Oil is not a fossil fuel like COAL.

@Pancho
Just an FYI, your thinking is so 1990s. Oil is produced continuously deep in the crust of the planet. It is not a fossil fuel like oil.

There is enough oil (including sweet crude) to last us indefinitely.



for ScooterNC
ScooterNC writes: "The 'Oil Depletion Allowance' was a subsidy that was used for discovery, exploration which included drilling our land and water assets."

The oil depletion allowance was a Government subsidy to the oil companies. It was the worst kind of corporate welfare.

How can you mourn the loss of this Government subsidy, and at the same time tout the "free market" in oil with no sense of hypocrisy?

By definition, a market that makes its profits off of direct Government subsidy isn't "free."

And the oil companies get a lot more subsidies than the oil depletion allowance. They benefit enormously from the U.S. Navy which keeps the sea lanes through the Persian Gulf open for supertanker traffic. Otherwise the threat from terrorists and Iran would drive up oil prices much higher.

We taxpayers subsidize the world's supertanker fleets that way. Our navy isn't just protecting supertankers that fly the American flag, they protect supertankers of all nations. For free.

That's not a "free market" in oil.

SteveL
Actually, O'Reilly will state himself that he is an Editorialist which is "supposed" to be different from the news media and their charge to report facts as news stories.

It wasn't his job to procure a reporter's story type interview, thus it appeared as it should have appeared: his asking tougher questions with his editorial opinions mixed in to call Clinton out on her socialist agenda.

"Chemistry"???
Austin Hill: "He created a sense of chemistry with Hillary like I've never seen any other media host do"

Chemistry??? What is this chemistry jazz?

O'Reilly is the NEWS MEDIA. Hillary is a POLITICIAN running for high office. He's supposed to have an adversarial relationship in which he tries to dig out answers to tough questions.

And he didn't. Hillary owned him in that interview.

If you want "chemistry," go watch Grey's Anatomy or Lost.

deathstar
Most nuclear waste can recycled and used safely, much of it in the Medical field. Instead the medical field spends huge sums of money to procure the radioactive materials they need from other sources.

Middle Income Americans
On this subject: this is a canard pandering to people who consciously made choices to educate themselves at the level they are and accept jobs at the pay they receive and live their lives at the level they do.

If you want more money then it's up to you to earn more through whatever opportunities you create for yourself, be it more education, moving to another market, reducing your expenditures - whatever it takes - how bad do you want to live better, have more, enjoy more?

No American ought be financially responsible for another who creates his or her life out of the choices made and the direction of life decided.

Raising taxes on one segment of the society to penalize them for the lack of accountability, responsibility and decided choices of another, is socialism.

Quit the subsidies.

Quit the entitlements.

Let the market speak for itself.

Subsidies and entitlements are keeping alive products and services that wouldn't otherwise be existing. Never should have been started. Needs to slowly be dissolved. Lower taxes of companies to offset loss of subsidies.

If a company cannot make it in the market then they should not exist.

No one is going to save you from the reality that a level playing field is only OPPORTUNITY and nothing more.

All hard work, endeavor, sweat and tears comes from you. Hit the stadium called OPPORTUNITY, bring your glove, your ball and your bat and let's see how you play, what you have to offer.

If you ain't got it - you're gone. That's how it works.

We live in a nation of freedom, if you want socialism, go to another nation; if you want dictatorship, go to another nation; if you want communism, go to another nation.

We all here want freedom

Freedom to live and choice by which to create our personal lives.





To be fair
To be fair I thought it was the height of hypocrasy for Ted Kennedy to oppose building Wind farms that would have appeared to be about 1 inch in height when views at the Kennedy Compound and the homes of his neighbor. On that issue he was acting like a true conservative.

There is no shortage of oil
says Lolo 1.

Who told you that?

There may be enough for today, tomorrow and even 5 years from now, but if global consumption patterns(ie demand) continue to rise, the only intelligent conclusion, based on estimated global studies by experts(which I'm sure you're not) is that there is a shortage of oil.

Now, that means easy oil, or aweet light crude.
There may be no shortage of oil derived from shale and sands, but these technologies are extremely ruinous of the environment, as well as costing twice as much as sweet crude.

Oh, that's right, you hate the environment, as evidenced by your juvenile use of enviro-nazis as if it was a legitimate term for intelligent people.

Never mind.




Bulldog 74
The Bush administration has been in office since 2000. Where are the planned refineries? So maybe its not EPA but totally NYMBY.

Are you saying that all of those Conservative elected officials in Red States act just like liberals when the refineries are planned next to their communities? And if so doesn't that make them libera;s?




JMO51
"As to refineries, what is the government doing to prevent big oil with all its current tax breaks from building more refineries at home of abroad?"

I can answer that with a couple of acronyms: "EPA" and "NIMBY," although it would be unfair to blame the feds for th latter.

lolo 1
You prove my point. I suggest that the only solutions that conservatives can think of is lower taxes and you come back and say I know nothing and then propose lowers taxes and less regulations.

As to refineries, what is the government doing to prevent big oil with all its current tax breaks from building more refineries at home of abroad? Are you suggesting that the government own or build more refineries.

I noticed that you ignored the embarssing record of giving tax breaks to Humvee as opposed to hybrid.

My point was that conservatives cannot think out of the narrow box they place themselves in when they think that every problem can be solved with another tax cut or deregulation. Of course on occasion they blame trail (but never corporate) lawyers.

Lolo1 wrote
"Government could actually be helpful in a Manhattan Style Project by first opening up lands the enviro-nazis had federally protected so we couldn't drill or build anything"

and

"The first most immediate thing they could do to alleviate prices is Manhattan project for refineries."

First of all, carving up Alaska to produce oil will take a minimum of 15 - 20 years, not exactly a timely solution.

Second, Bush's speech about building refineries was a cynical statement that was the result either of his blatant dishonesty or his unfortunate stupidity. Any oil produced in the US goes into the world market, nobody is going to tap a well and bring a can of gas to your doorstep.

New Parody
my Blog. What Shall we Do with those Drunken Sailors?

Pancho,
Yeah really, I would LOVE to run the economics to "drill, pump, refine, and deliver all petroleum products to us for the cost of processing plus 10 cents per gallon profit."

Let's see, a 4-5% net profit on an investment that involves layers and layers of economic, political and gelogical risk, requires--at minimum--hundreds of millions of dollars in up-front investment, maybe 10 years or more before any positive cash flow is realized, and no guarantee how long that positive cash flow will last..

Yeah, sure, sign me up!

JimsJab at 11:36
Bingo! Well said.

Jims Jab
"Why are the Dems so afraid of nuclear energy? Is it because they are afraid of something they do not understand? "

I know lots of Dems, not one of them is afraid of Nuclear energy - I think you are passing along one of the popular TH memes here.

There is concern about where all that nuclear waste is going to be stored - you wouldn't care if it were next door to you, would you?

NO FOOD FOR OIL
.

Nothing new under the sun
I tuned out on Hillary the other night as soon as she started blathering about a Windfall Profits Tax...gave me too many flashbacks to the economic forecasts I had to make for projects I had proposed as a young petroleum engineer ...let's see, there were the government price controls on domestically produced oil, including two or three different price tiers epending on whether it fit their definition of "old" or "new" oil, then there was the 70% Windfall Profits Tax, then there were the stipulations of the Tertiary Incentive Program where we got a tax break from the WPT for implementing qualified Enhanced Recovery Projects, then there was...ah, forget it.

Not coincidentally, that was all happening about the time that those of you who were around then were waiting in line 2 hrs to buy 3 gallons of gas.

In other words
>You could greatly reduce the price by writing a law which declares that ALL OFFSHORE OIL BELONGS TO THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, and hiring the oil companies to drill, pump, refine, and deliver all petroleum products to us for the cost of processing plus 10 cents per gallon profit.<

State run socialist energy policy.

Wonder how we'd feel if the OPEC nations took that stand.

JM051
Shows what you know which is nothing.

By far and away conservatives despise the Carter Presidency.

Government could actually be helpful in a Manhattan Style Project by first opening up lands the enviro-nazis had federally protected so we couldn't drill or build anything. Next stop is they can remove the over burdensome laws and requirements that it takes to do anything. Minimum ten years of litigation and millions of dollars is what is required now.

The first most immediate thing they could do to alleviate prices is Manhattan project for refineries. There is no shortage of oil but there is a shortage of gas.

Doom!!!!!!
We are doom with the three candidates for President, the three are incompetent, they are Senators, and they are incompetents to resolve any problem that confronts us.

Watching the interview with Hilary Clinton was clear as water that we are heading to the same failures of Carter. He was and still being the problem. In the future will be Obama, Clinton or McCain.

I hope that a miracle happens before either one take possession of the Presidency


Doom!!!!!
We are doom with the three candidates for President, the three are incompetent, they are Senators, and they are incompetents to resolve any problem that confronts us.

Watching the interview with Hilary Clinton was clear as water that we are heading to the same failures of Carter. He was and still being the problem. In the future will be Obama, Clinton or McCain.

I hope that a miracle happens before either one take possession of the Presidency


Robert
My bad, you just threw it out there and left it hanging, I misunderstood.

Hillary & Oil
My suggestion: Let Rush interview Hillary and see what questions and answers he would get! Better than O'Reilly's pandering to Hillary - who by the way, does not have a clue as to how economics and government works!

I shudder when I think this pandering, lying woman got this far.

Robert
Please explain your fear of Nuclear energy. Try to do so without referencing 30 year old technology.

Scooter NC @ 8:15 AM
Make sure that the rope on the EPA is tied on the right place (neck) in the right way (noose) and the other end is tied to the right place (gibbet).

Hillary reminds me of
Senator Dianne Feinstein and many other politicians in their understanding of the economy and the budgeting of finances. When being questioned by a reporter about the deficit she left in San Francisco, Feinstein said, "I did not leave San Francisco in a deficit, we had a shortfall of revenue". If this does not describe our Governments problems I don't know what does.

All you liberals
Please tell us EXACTLY, step-by-step and cent-by-cent, how you intend to reduce the price paid for gasoline by the American People, by imposing additional taxes on the oil companies, since the new taxes will be added to the price, and WE THE PEOPLE PAY ALL TAXES. You could reduce the price by eliminating all the taxes, and replacing them with ONE proper tax to collect all revenue for each level of government..

Eliminate the 18.4 cents per gallon federal pump tax, and the 32 cents per gallon, PA State pump tax. Eliminate all the other taxes in existence, on all levels of government, which add up to one-third (1/3) of the price – of everything.

You could greatly reduce the price by writing a law which declares that ALL OFFSHORE OIL BELONGS TO THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, and hiring the oil companies to drill, pump, refine, and deliver all petroleum products to us for the cost of processing plus 10 cents per gallon profit.

This would eliminate the foreign nations’ price per barrel, the speculators’ add-on charge, the oil-tanker-ship charge, the oil spills when the tanker ships run aground, and the clean-up cost thereof. This would reduce the price for refined petroleum to well under a dollar a gallon, and make us independent of the Arabs and all other oil-selling peoples.

You could also reduce the price by no longer wasting our oil and wasting our food supply by diluting our gasoline with alcohol and making it inefficient. Gasoline provides energy by exploding in the engine, while alcohol burns and does not explode, providing no energy.

All of this would also end the budget deficit, put the balance-of-payments in our favor, and enable our paying off the national debt. What would increasing taxes on the oil companies do for us? Nothing good would come of it, only higher taxes, shortages, and more dependence, which is just what you liberals want most.

Robert is correct
Oil prices are controlled by speculation and market manipulation, which are pretty much the same thing, not by the oil companies themselves. But refining capacity also plays a role in those prices. Why are the Dems so afraid of nuclear energy? Is it because they are afraid of something they do not understand? It is as if there is no difference between an nuclear bomb and a nuclear power plant and they are afraid it will detonate. Wake up!!!

And If I Dont Like It...
"From here, Mrs. Clinton went on to disclose her intention to “take-on OPEC” (O’Reilly assured her that, being in Saudi Arabia and Venezuela, the OPEC bosses “don’t care what you say”), and explained that she will “change the law” so American citizens can file anti-trust actions against OPEC, as well."

Like Lina Lamont in 'Singing In The Rain' Hillary Clinton is going to "See-ooo" those meanies in OPEC. Thats how we solve world problems now...didnt Von Clausewitz describe lawsuits as a continuation of politics by other means? Watch out you bloodthirsty dictators, Hillary Clinton's coming and shes got a subpeona in her hand with YOUR NAME ON IT! We're not bluffing! She'll show you turbaned camel jockeys the Woman's Perspective and odds are you'll be browning out your floor-length robes in trembling fear! Can 25 cent a gallon gas be far off?

Wrong You Moron
" He then asserted that both the Republican AND Democratic Parties have “sold out” Americans on energy."

In his bum-crawling to Clinton The Champion Of The People let her wriggle away from the enviromentalist agenda which has prevented energy development and which is wholly responsible for this current mess. This is solely on the shoulders of the Democrats. The Republicans have tried to protect our access to overseas oil supplies, have generally supported increased drilling for oil and support nuclear power. The Dems are in firm alliance with the eco-nuts whose wrong-headed policies are leading us to poverty.

one thing we all do...
have in common it that all of us judge public policies set forth by government according to what effect they have on our personal lives and our ability to decide what works best for us.

We are paying over $4.00/gal for diesel now. I read and hear all kinds of explanations and really all I know for sure is how it is affecting our lives.

What worries me more than anything is that over my lifetime, my observance and personal experience tells me that more often than not when the federal government tries to fix something, something else goes haywire. The unintended consequences usually are worse than the original problem.

Take ethanol for example, why did Congress think that taking a food product and making it an energy product wouldn't have an adverse on food supply and prices?

The biggest culprit right now is the price of fuel. Everything we buy has to be transported and businesses wishing to stay in business have to pass those rising costs on to consumers.

Death and Taxes, the two "givens" in life. Paying taxes means you are blessed enough to make enough to owe them and I do not mind paying them when they are used wisely.

My cynicism right now comes from the candidates who want to be our President. I think the next four years will be extremely important and my problem right now is figuring out which one is the lesser of 3 evils and do the least amount of damage.

I'M TIRED
of hearing how big oil is the villan. If a farmer has 100 acres of wheat that he sells for $10.00 per bushel this year and the commodity market raises the price to $15.00 next year the farmer then plants 1000 acres and his profits go up. The government (dumocrats) want to tax the oil companies for making a profit when the stock market drives the price. Like everything else the government tries to manage the situation will be F.U.B.A.R. (FOULDED UP BEYOND ALL RECOGNITION). I guess they won't be satisfied untill we all live in high rise apartments and only use public transportation.

Just remember
Hillary is hard at work creating an even larger victim group. If she were successful in bringing down "Big Oil" we would be able to add all the folks with 401Ks, IRAs, pensions, etc to all of the other victim groups that need her to take care of them.
When will the discussion be about exactly how much of our money the Government wastes on a daily basis? When will we as voters understand that Lawyers make terrible managers of our tax dollars? There is a reason that you do not see companies hiring Lawyers as CEOs. Lawyers create nothing they survive because of conflict. They have succeeded in turning this country into one large court battle of plaintiffs and defendants, of victims and criminals, of black and white, of rich and poor. I'm sorry, but until we have politicians that understand the economy and how to run one of the largest corporations in the world we will be stuck paying the court costs.

Big oil
Don't get me wrong - I hate what has happened to gas prices - I suffer along with the rest of us, but what happened to capitalism? Where does the government (Hillary again & Obama) think they can affect the profits of oil companies? If they start that, then every single business will be affected - no longer a democracy! Capitalism allows anyone to create, do business make whatever profits their business allows! With Hillary or OBAMA enter socialism, marxism and government will not only take over the oil companies (which will stop producing oil) - but any other business they deem fit to control - figure it out! Liberalism destroy's - look around and see the effect of their policies.

The answer of course, is to stop this "do not drill oil in this country" by liberals and the Goreacles - enough! Even the Governor of Alaska says drilling there will NOT affect the land to any great extent! God help us all if this inexperienced idiot ever makes it to the White House!

Conservation

LL in La.

First off, I'm sure we can agree that ad hominem responses, while emotionally satisfying, rarely move the discussion forward.

That said, you make a valid point---nuclear energy and wind power should be utilized as we transition out of energy production and use that negatively affects human life on earth.

And that liberals use energy that harms the environment in other countries while protecting Alaska and the Florida Gulf--that too is hypocritical.


Your response did not address my major argument, which is living in a way that minimizes greenhouse gases may offer the greatest respect for potential human life (a central tenet of those who oppose abortion). And playing dice with the environment with the hope that we aren't destroying the quantity and quality of future human life--well, that is morally irresponsible.

Jacy
On his radio show O'Reilly addressed complaints he wasn't tough enough. He discussed the realities of how far he could do in terms of the impact on Fox if he had been angry and aggressive. Another reality was whether he wouldn't have gotten anything out of her if he had been more aggressive.

We all dumped on O'Reilly
a few weeks ago when he wrote about Big Bad Oil. So he too is guilty of Hillary's thinking.

I just can't get behind the notion taxing the producers of oil will help lower costs. Is it difficult to grasp the idea of how the production of domestic oil supplies will lower prices. I JUST DON'T GET IT!

dems plan
Maybe the Democrats will simply ban oil since it is so bad.

Global Warming is not "settled". There was a conference in NY in 2008 that found that the SUN was warming the planet.

Imagine that. The sun is responsible for the warming of the earth and not CO2.


O'Reilly
Who prides himself on "fairness" and tough questions - well, where were the tough questions on this woman's character? Where were the tough questions on the corrupt policies of the Clinton White House - which she tells the ignorant American's who follow her - that she is "experienced" because she was involved in decision making? According to Dick Morris who was there the entire time, this is all lies. Where was O'Reilly on that subject? Or the fact that there is a pending lawsuit against Hillary on campaign finance that has yet to see the light of day? What say you, O'Reilly? The woman is without character - she is a pandering, inexperienced liar and God help us all if she ever gets near the White House. The Clintons already took some of the furniture - hide the silverware!

LL in LA
Hear! Hear!

DCR

.....You're not one of those Eco-Whackos are you? ...

.....How can not using a commodity that is readily available help anyone? ...did you ever hear of Supply and Demand? ...even if the oil from Anwar went into the world market it would still increase the supply ...

.....Since Anwar is on government land they could contract to buy all the oil for domestic use only ...below market prices while still allowing the oil company their standard 8 to 10 percent profit margin even if they had to reinstate the depleted field exemption (a tax break/subsidy) ...

.....I'll bet you support Ethanol which uses more energy than it delivers and creates more polution and is heavily subsidized by the taxpayers ...if that is the case then you are a true Libtard .....COLOSSUS

REDSAND 7:19

.....The reason energy companies are not converting coal to synthetic oil ( economical when a barrel of oil is selling at $55) is not the fault of our "Congress Nostra" except for the red tape and regulations of the EPA ...

.....Once the EPA is satisfied, law suits brought by the Eco-nuts and Green-geeks that tie up exploration and development in the courts for years make the enterprise cost prohibitive .....COLOSSUS

SAVE THE PLANET - SHOOT AN ENVIRONMENTALIST ...

OREILLY INFOMERCIAL???

.....Hill ...

.....How much did O'Reilly and Fox pay you to write this puff piece? ...

.....Sure Hillary is a left wing radical ...we already knew that ...her purpose in the interview was to take on O'Reilly head-to-head to show her toughness to the middle-of-the-road-moderates who watch O'Reilly and I think she accomplished her purpose ...she will benefit from the O'Reilly interview ...

.....What you ignore is that O'Reilly is a middle-of-the-road-moderate himself ...in fact he has agreed in the past with some of Hillary's claims against the Oil Companys ...

.....Bill has called the Oil Companies greedy and constantly accuses them of price gouging ...he has suggested that they be regulated by the Government and I am not sure that he opposes a windfall profits tax ...he once suggested that the oil companies should give heating oil to the poor for free in cold weather ...

.....Bill constantly criticizes Big Business and Free Trade (Capitalism) and calls for more government regulation as the solution ...he rarely criticizes Big Government ...Bill has a Socialist streak down his back a yard wide and in many ways agrees with Hillary .....COLOSSUS

Economics
Let me see: otherwise rational people poison perfectly good ethanol with gasoline? At the state store, ~50% ABV runs about $20/gal. and the Stasi are rabid in defense of their monopoly. Ethanol poisoned with petroleum fetches ~$4.00/gal.

Something here makes no sense!

Impeccable logic, DCR . . .
but, unfortunately, you are speaking to thinking adults here, DCR, not liberals who can't think beyond their noses which are sticking into other peoples' businesses instead of their own. And it doesn't help when "Conservatives" start spewing half truths either if--in fact-that's what you purport to be.

Fortunately, you may be half right. People-of both ilks--are currently taking care of the environment in the US through conservation (hmmm, a root word which applies to conservative,also!) But you will notice on the Left "conserve" typically equates to "no way, no how" by definitive actions. Liberals tend to vote against nuclear energy and wind generation projects of the coast of Martha's Vineyard to protect aesthetics. But they do favor Hybrid cars and mercury-filled bulbs to "conserve" the planet while ignoring the fact that it takes an "act of Congress" to responsibly dispose of these items once their life has run out. And not to mention the harm to the environment at that point and the need to produce these items with fossil fuels to begin with. Kind of like ethanol alternatives which are starving third world countries in the act of conserving the planet.

Hey, Libs--and those who want to think like them!--leave the "conserve" part to the thinkers who think conservatively and go picket China, Argentina or some Middle Eastern country. Maybe you'll get lucky and destroy the root of the problems instead.

Big Government
Maybe would-be Dictator Mrs. Bill Clinton could 'set a baseline' for Congress and the Presidency. Instead of flying around in private jets, these folks could stay at home or else absorb the cost. Instead of renting limousines, they could take a cab. Instead of living at the expense of the taxpayer in the White House, they could pay their own bills and reimburse the American people for the rent. They could also pay for damaged or stolen property and could forego all foreign gifts and other perks; in addition, any money generated from the sale of memoirs or other books could be restored to the national treasury and redistributed to the American people. While these phony bas***** are stealing taxpayer dollars and spending like drunken sailors (no offense intended), they are preaching to 'big oil' and corporate leaders about profits. How about a spending limit on big government to reduce profits to corrupt politicians?

Manhatten Project
You have to really chuckle that any republican or conservative could talk about a Manhatten project. Just read the posts here today. You have conservatives who believe that government is never the answer, the you have conservatives who think what is best for corporations is best for american, they would oppose it at the biddings of their corporate friends who would see any new technologies as a threat to their bottom line, then you have conservatives who think that the answer to every problem is a tax cut. They would call the project wasteful spending and either oppose it or underfund it so as not to threaten their next round of tax cutting.

No Conservative Republican do not do Manhatten Projects, they only propose them during elections as an empty promise to blunt proposals from the Dems and from the few moderate Republicans who are left.

The Real Manhatten project was done by the FDR administration By far and away the most reviled administration to conservatives.

scooternyc
Your point about the 401K going to proverbial hell in a hand basket is right on.

Do the dems really not understand who actually owns these oil companies? THAT is one scarey thought...

Woody from Iowa

OK you ccaught her pandering
Hillary is deperate. She is in the last stages of a game that she has been losing for the Democratic Party and like most politicians who are backed up against the wall she is in maximum pander mode.

When she won't admit a mistake she is in GWB mode and working from the Karl Rive playbook. When she suggests a gas tax holiday and a windfall tax on oil companies she is just pandering to the populist sensibilities of Bill's audience. Bill has been doing a nightly tirade about big oil.

Hilliary is a moderate- You can anaylize her words to death but when you look at her record it is moderate. And moderate positions are the biggest threat to the far right.

We need to stop giving breaks to oil companies, they don't need them. and they will never be the solution to our long term enegry idependence.

Tax breaks do influence behavior, so why would right wing Republicans give a tax advantage to people buying Hummers and let lapse tax incentives for people buying hybrids. Hummers are our past, hybrids are our future. Oil companies are our past, green technologies are our future.

Hillary is just pandering. Conservatives are just protecting the ststus quo at the expense of ordinary citizens as they always do.

Freedom?
Why do so many believe that drilling in Alaska is even part of a solution to our energy woes? It is less than a drop in bucket for our needs, but more importantly the oil will end up in the world market NOT IN THE US!

Vice-President Cheney suggested that if there is a 10% chance of a terrorist attack we should take extraordinary measures to prepare for it. Why is that same argument valid for the environment? Even If you dispute the vast majority of scientists who claim our contribution to greenhouse gases is significant, playing the odds with the habitability of the planet is unconscienable. If abortion is wrong because destroys potential persons, than future generations and their ability to populate a hospitable earth--that is also a moral consideration. Good conservatives (especially outside the US) know that--that the past, present, and future generations have a place in conservative philosophy.

So Senator Clinton has it part right. And our "freedom" to act irresponsibly in our energy habits should be questioned--that is until we have greater certainty our actions aren't violating the rights of the unborn.

Sorry Mr. Hill, this "freedom" your talk about may be freedom to harm potential persons.

Go Nuclear
No one is serious about the energy problem until they revitalize the nuclear industry. The left simply refuses to discuss it. You want to get minimize green house gases then generate your electricity with nuclear power.

scooter NYC
You have some good points to speak about. "If Dems believe so strongly that oil companies do not deserve, then take away their subsidies and let's see what happens?" You sound and though you were not operating a motor vehicle during the mid 60's to early 70's. I was and also an employee of a major oil company in a district office. I was witness to just the thing you suggest the dems should do. The "Oil Depletion Allowance" was a subsidy that was used for discovery, exploration which included drilling our land and water assets. Half of the subsidy was taken by govco and the price of all products went up for the consumer. Enter the EPA, which is a Dem agency making it impossible for Big Oil to continue drilling or survey our assets by taking away the rest of the subsidy. Now you have a real problem, Big Oil shut sown the pipeline and suddenly there was not a drop of product to be had anywhere. Massive lines waiting for sservice centers to open up for "Two gallons". It was said that govco can creat a problem and then present itself to fix it. Put a short rope on EPA with some form of accountably and allow for new refinery and updates to handle our needs and allow the oil companies to drill on the lower 48. While I was with Big Oil I know of several oil fields that were discovered on our side of the world that have many years of crude in the ground.

Take the Clinton's unwarranted Profits.
SHE won't change HER energy consumin' habits. She and her husband live in a HUGE, energy suckin' mansion. She will ALWAYS fly charter... never commercial with the rest of us.

The hypocrisy of all the rich politicians who BUY their way to comfort with unwarranted wealth... (let's confiscate the Clinton wealth, incidentally... Bill did nothing for it.. NO WORK... just yakking with the promise to influence his wife for the pay)... sorrry. the hypocrisy of the rich to punish the rest of us for using energy REALLY pisses me off.

She still doesn't get it.
"...she finally stated that she wants to “set a baseline” (presumably she means some level of profits that she believes is “okay”)"

Why don't we "set a baseline" on the profits from sales of autobiographies by former first ladies.

Not to mention coal
If the US were to start today converting coal into oil we would have sufficient oil to last 200 years at todays consumption levels. This technology isn't new, has already been developed and is readily available. This is but one option available to us. Where is Congress? As O'Reilly would say, " they aren't looking out for us".

PUNITIVE
On the subject of windfall profits & capital gains: Why is it that Dems seem to feel that if a person or company takes the risk with their money and are successful that the government is entitled to abscond with some of it?

More typical Dem ideology: "you are not allowed to elevate yourself above me"

If Dems believe so strongly that oil companies do not deserve, then take away their subsidies and let's see what happens?

Let's watch all the 401k's that have oil as part of their retirement savings, plummet; let's watch all the benefactors of grants, scholarships, sponsorships from oil companies to the arts, education, sports, entertainment be wiped away; let's see all the investment in alternative forms of energy start deteriorating and cease to exist for our future.

Ask the Dems: "What is it you're so afraid of in having the markets free to set prices?"

The people have always been more wise than government, free markets prove this.

The politicians cannot save you from the reality of your personal choices; choices which created your life of success or non-success - you're to blame for that - buck up, become an adult, take responsibility and be accountable.

Politicians are not our parental figure sublimation; it's about time you stopped treating them like they were.

Hillary/O'Reilly comparison?
The interview shows how out of touch with reality Hillary and the other "progressives" (only in the sense that cancer is a "progressive" disease) are if she can make even O'Reilly look like he knows something about economics by comparison!

New Energy Plan
Lamar Alexander is going to announce a national energy independence plan on May 9 in Oak Ridge, TN. He calls the five year effort a new Manhattan Project. It will be interesting to see how it is received by Mrs Clinton in light of her O'Reilly interview.

Rationalization
Regarding energy: how is it that Dems who disdain the idea of drilling nationally seem to be okay with other nations drilling and "ruining" their environments for the rest of the world's sake and ours?

This is typical liberal ideology that others should "bear the burden" for those not willing to take responsibility and be accountable.

It is in our nation's personal self-interest to be as independent as possible of such resources.

We are not being accountable and response-able when we rely on others for a majority of our resources.

If you had a water source in your home for clean filtered drinking water does it really make sense to keep going out and buying bottled water at 10x's the cost?

Why are we not holding Dems to more accountability by thrusting the question at them every time the "price of gas" issue comes up:

"Sir" or "Ma'am", can you please rationalize for us why you believe it is better for the United States to not drill our own potential sources and be independent, because of environmental reasons or whatever you subjectively believe is the reason, yet you are okay with other nation's ruining their environments, all the while keeping us hostage to their prices of oil?"


BTW - We are only kept hostage by others when we choose to stay in the relationship. We are not victims, we are sadists who apparently enjoy the abuse, otherwise we'd choose alternatives for ourselves.



Yeh Hillary, that'll work
One of my favorite talk-radio commentators, Jim Quinn likes to say, "Government creates a problem and then presents itself as the solution to the problem."

One thing you can count on with liberal politics is that they disregard 'actual' human behavior and response. How many times do you have to see that making something less profitable is a sure way to get less of it?

The problem with O'Reilly's take on energy policy is that he too blames the oil industry. I watched Neal Cavuto try and try to explain to O'Reilly how that just wasn't true- but he couldn't move ole Bill.

Nanny Knows Best
Yes, of course the screaming and nagging of Mommy is the key to Success in every field. Men and women of Desperate Sincerity believe with all their hearts that nagging and force exercised on free, informed adults is the way to solve all the problems of the world.

A society where Marching Mommies destroyed North American open wheel racing with their conviction that seeing a cigarette logo travelling 200 mph would damn all children to Hades on the spot; a society where the relentless shrieking of MORBIDLY OBESE! at children (with its promise that if you do not stop eating, you will not only die young, but be condemned to a friendless, sexless life while you remain alive) is leading to a steep rise in childhood anorexia and self-starvation; a society that demands the right to strip-search 1500 children at the lunchroom door lest any whiff of a peanut enter therein ... is a society that believes in its heart of hearts that its ideals and its fears are of such desperate importance that the use of force is not only justified but necessary.

Not, of course, for the Nomenklatura and the apparatchiks; only for the bludgeoned proletariat who must live in multi-story high rises jammed togther, in tiny spaces, and trudge to work every day on foot or by bicycle, unless they prefer to be held hostage by public transit unions, while their Betters own a dozen homes, two dozen cars, and a private jet to commute between them.....

The source of all progress-Government
As long as we continue to elect people who think that the failed policies of the past are the answer to all our problems we will continue to be sold down the tubes. The way that this country grew to the great country, not without its problems, but a great country none the less was from the free enterprise system that we enjoy here. Our government has made it more and more difficult to compete in the world market and if we fall prey to this sort of fuzzy logic we will continue our fall to a 3rd rate country driven by our policies that limit our competitive abilities of the past.
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