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Sunday, January 20, 2008
Austin Hill :: Townhall.com Columnist
What Would Reagan Do Now - - Now That It's Falling Apart?
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The coalition is fractured.

Have you noticed this, like I have?

To use a cliché, it’s kind of like telling the Emperor that he has no clothes. Yet, as painful and embarrassing as that may be, it’s time that the “leaders” (whoever “they” may be today) of the “conservative movement” (whatever that may consist of today) step out of their state of denial, and come to terms with reality.

The Republican Party, having consisted of a coalition of three broad issues categories since the early 1980‘s, just isn’t what it used to be.

Historically, if your primary concerns for the country had to do with defense and national security, the Republican Party championed your issues. If you were mainly concerned about a high-functioning economy and reducing the burden of excessive taxation, you had a home within the Republican Party. And if your concerns were primarily about so-called “social issues” - - the definition of marriage and family, the rights of the unborn person, and so forth - - the Republican Party was where you belonged.

And as this three-pronged coalition has been meshing together over the past twenty-five years or so, the Democratic Party has often presented itself as a polar-opposite on key policy issues.

You don’t like increased federal spending on the military? You think our foreign policy is a little too “pro-America?” The Democratic Party is replete with rhetoric about “ending the war” and being more “collaborative” with entities like the United Nations.

If free-market enterprise makes you uncomfortable, the Democratic Party envisions a more collectivist-oriented economy that takes away from “the wealthy,” and gives back to the “poor” and the “middle class.”

And while some Americans might be alienated by the Republican Party’s concern about the rights of the unborn person and the definition of marriage, the Democratic Party has provided clear alternatives to such policies - - “progressive” ideas like partial birth abortion, and same-sex civil unions.

Under the leadership and vision of President Reagan, the Republican Party managed to hold these three categories of voters together pretty well. During the 1990’s the coalition seemed to become more galvanized, especially in the face of the far-left leaning policies that emerged from the early days of the Clinton Presidency.

And for a good five years or so, President Bush held the coalition together - - barely.

But now, as we move forward through yet another presidential election cycle, the coalition is fractured. And it would seems that there isn’t one viable Republican presidential candidate who can keep all three issues groups happy.

What about Mike Huckabee? He’s got the goods for the social conservatives (at least in Iowa), but he’s questionable, at best, when it comes to fiscal policy. Equally as troubling, he has demonstrated a lack of discretion as to when and where to play his “faith card” (can I guy who wants to “take back America for Christ” really get elected???). Worse still, he’s been quite willing to play upon the ungrounded fears many evangelicals have of Mormons, exacerbating an already contentious alliance.

John McCain? It’s tough for any “Reagan conservative” to not love a leader who valiantly wore the uniform, suffered torture at the hands of communists, and then went on to become a “pro-defense” Senator. It’s also tough for a Reagan conservative to embrace a Senator who voted against tax cuts, no matter what his party affiliation is.

How about Mitt Romney? A former Governor who has “real world” private sector business experience, plus MBA and J.D. credentials from Harvard, would seem like a Republican presidential dream come true. But he may be too recent of a convert to his conservative views of marriage and abortion, to satisfy the social conservative movement. And as shameful and narrow minded as it is, many religious social conservatives (including the movement‘s “leaders” ) simply refuse to embrace a candidate whose theology isn’t “correct,” even if his policy positions are.

Maybe Fred Thompson can unite us. He would seem to have the correct policy positions on all three fronts (not withstanding Dr. James Dobson’s assertions that Thompson is “not a Christian”). Unfortunately, Thompson for whatever reason has made a point of repeatedly reminding us how much he dislikes campaigning, and even insinuated to a news reporter last fall that he doesn’t believe that he can get elected anyway. And regardless of how Thompson feels about himself, primary election voters have thus far felt very little for him. But frustration with the candidates is a small part of the problem. The real dilemma facing the Republican Party today is the fact that the “leaders” of the three big issues categories don’t get along very well. While in reality the three groups form a relationship of core necessity, they nonetheless act as though their relationship is merely one of short-term political convenience.

The “short term” may soon be over. And the future of the party, as well as the presidency, is anything but clear.

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Austin Hill is a Talk Show Host At Boise, Idaho's 580 KIDO Radio, and a frequent Guest Host on the Fox Newstalk Radio Network. He is the Author of "White House Confidential: The Little Book Of Weird Presidential History," And Co-Author of the forthcoming title "The Virtues Of Capitalism: A Moral Case For Free Markets" (Northfield/Moody Press, 2010).
 
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Guiliani is loudly quiet
on the national seen. However watching his clips from Florida he is starting to sound great.

Leaders will evolve
I agree with much of the article. Ronald Reagan took time to win the 1980 election by bringing conservatives together. If Mitt Romney does not win the nomination this year, i would hope that he would try again in 2012.

Given the same "benefit of the doubt" given to John McCain and Mike Huckabee, he could be the front runner today. Both men have said and done things to divide the Republican base in this primary season.

The one thing that influenced me the most about Mitt Romney, who I support, was his optimism and positive focus, one of my main remembrances about Ronald Reagan. He has a "we can't fail" attitude about himself, his family and his country. That attitude is what we need today.

He is new to embrace some of the conservative ideals. But I believe he is sincere in his movement to conservative principles. As he said after the SC debate: "The older I get, the smarter Ronald Reagan gets." Just as I learned the wisdom of my parents as I got older, he has changed his positions as he has gotten older.

Reaga would Kick George Bush's rear end.
Slap the crap out Rudy
Laugh in Mitt's face

Then Puke when he read the patriot act and HR1955.

The last and greatest thing he would do would enter a cold war AGAINST the USA because we have taken Russia's place. He would also defeat the USA in about 6 months by employing free market principles designed to promote individual liberty and not brokered deal that promote corporate dominance.

Our Problem
is that we elected moderates who tried to out liberal the liberals. With Duncan Hunter dropping out, due to the media blackout on him, there really is no strong conservative candidate. Thompson may be close, but the media will do their best to rid the campaign of him too.

Ron Paul is a kook who would do best to stay home and enjoy his grandchildren.

Giuliani is a moderate who will be gone shortly too.

That leaves Huckabee, McCain nd Romney, neither a strong conservative.

Get ready to say President Hillary or Obama. America is in deep trouble, but we were complacent and allowed it to happen.

This question is nonsensical.
To ask "What would Reagan do now?" is as nonsensical as the Jimmy Carter Administration in the late 1970s asking "What would Franklin Roosevelt do now?"

Do not elevate these men to the status of gods. They did the best they could in their time, and they were successful. But times change.

I'm getting sick and tired of this Reagan worship. We should honor his memory, just as we honor Abraham Lincoln's. But we shouldn't keep longing for them to be resurrected. We move beyond them, with new leaders who have new ideas.

This longing for Reagan to return from the grave and save us all, is evidence that the conservative movement hasn't proposed a single new idea for the 21st century. So it keeps trying to return to the glory days of the past.

For the 21st century, conservatism needs to be rethought from the ground up, just like William F. Buckley rethought conservatism for the 20th.

Newt Gingrich has done a lot of thinking along those lines. And guess what, Gingrich recognizes what the Reagan lovers do not: We need a NEW conservatism that cherishes stewardship of the earth, with its increasingly fragile ecosystem and vanishing natural resources and wildlife.

Gingrich's ideas deserve a fair hearing.
Let's put the "conserve" back into "conservatism."

LewWaters
You would not believe how many times Ronald Reagan was called a "kook" (and much, much worse) before he was elected.

Please try to keep a more open mind about Ron Paul, who, after all, was one of only four Republicans in Congress to endorse Ronald Reagan in 1976.

The G.O.P., due to the cynical and incompetent administration of George W. Bush (as well as a lapdog, crooked, bread-and-circuses Republican Congress), has drifted so far from its moorings that the only candidate who is speaking the truth now sounds like a kook.

That is starting to, and will, change. Thank God.

I fear the glass is more than half empty
Reagan won because of his optimism, and because he appealed to a large cross-section of America, not simply his base. Where do you think the term "Reagan democrats" came from?

Any GOP candidate who plans on being successful this November will have to do more than simply preach to the choir. He will need to attract the uncommitteds and independents, along with some disaffected democrats.

In my humble opinion, Bush has become an impediment, an obstacle, to overcome for the GOP this fall.

Despite the socalled successes of the surge, the American people are in no mood for any more "Iraqs".

While Bush may not be at fault for the current economic difficulties(or maybe his policies of continued borrowing to fund this war and social programs ARE part of the problem), the fact remains he will be blamed unless the economy turns around between now and November, which is unlikely.

With the GOP strong plank on national defense now being hijacked by neocons, and with spending out-of-control as a result of the war and failure of Bush to rein in government programs, two of the three pillars described by Hill are now crumbling.

The disconnect
Fiscal consevatives were the first part of the GOP base to leave. When the Drug Entitlement Act passed congress just prior to the 04 election, they began to accept that the GOP was no longer fiscally conservative. By the summer of 05, they'd had enough, and began speaking out. Today, they recognize that the GOP under Bush has shifted from the party of small government to the party of an activist government combined with social conservatives. By definition, an activist government is the same perspective that the Democrats have always had.

In a practical sense, small government fiscal conservatives no longer have a home. Regardless of who is elected President, the GOP's congressional delegation will continue to expand the federal government as well as increase spending.

To them, government is the solution. To the fiscal conservative, it is the problem.

Hence the disconnect.

Understanding Democrats
To understand what Democrats represent, read Marx and Engles Communist Manifesto, Hitler's Programme of the NSDAP(National Socialist German Workers Party), 24 February 1920, and Mussolini's entry and definition of Fascism in the Italian Encylopedia 1932

GOP appeal
This has NOT changed:

"Historically, if your primary concerns for the country had to do with defense and national security, the Republican Party championed your issues. If you were mainly concerned about a high-functioning economy and reducing the burden of excessive taxation, you had a home within the Republican Party. And if your concerns were primarily about so-called “social issues” - - the definition of marriage and family, the rights of the unborn person, and so forth - - the Republican Party was where you belonged."

The majority of US Citizens haven't run from the GOP principles of the Reagan coalition. The GOP leadership has.

What would Reagan do now, now that it's
We Conservatives need to rise to the occaision
and stop being so hard on ourselves. We were
right to pick George W. Bush over Al Gore and
then John Kerry. In the second case, we were at
war, one that technically we did NOT start, and
didn't dare lose. Bush, however, did disappoint
us on many issues that I don't need to rehash
here. It is therefore up to us to shove the party
back to its roots, shout at the top of our lungs
that our principles are not stuck in 1980, but
are in fact timeless. There is nothing outdated
about personal and economic liberty,strong national defense,secure borders, and our basic
rights of free speech, and our Second Ammendment
rights.
The sad fact that our current "front runner" is
Ted Kennedy and Al Gore rolled into one makes
me want to fight all the harder.

Unfortunately
properity and a higher standard of living through the years has made us as a nation less strong, less cohesive, less patriotic, more demanding, less self sufficient, more nanny government loving.

Any candidate wishing to be elected, whether republican or democrat, knows he/she has to pander and offer goodies to the electoric.

What ever happened to John F. Kennedy's "Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country."

I think I would vote for him if he was alive today.

Gosh!!
It looks like I am not looking for a Reagan. I must be looking for a John F. Kennedy."

I guess Ron Paul is invisible
Who wrote the memo to "conservative" talk radio, Townhall colunists, Fox News, etc. that the candidacy and ideas of Ron Paul must not be mentioned ... ever ... punishable by death?

I graduted with a degree in political science and have been a journalist, editor, columnist and weekly newspaper publisher so I'm familiar with the terrain. I thought a good "conservative" or Republican believed in small-government, decentralization, state's rights, free markets and a bare minimum of regulation (and, yes (!), humble foreign policy that is weary of empire building, police state proclivities). This is also the prescription of the U.S. Constituion, another touch stone for so-called conservatives.

It's so sad to me that people like you don't recognize that Ron Paul is the only real, principled conservative running for president. You know "our" cause is dead when such a candiate is ignored, dismissed and ridiculed by "conservative" columnists and talk show hosts such as yourself.


What would Reagan do?
It simply doesn't matter. In case no one has noticed, he's no longer here. Meanwhile we have to confront reality and come to grips with having 2 contenders for the nomination who are +70 (as I am). Does that make any sense?
It's absolutely foolish to expect the public to turn out in support of politically over the hill people. Aside from their obvious philosophical failings, doesn't anyone remember candidate Bob Dole?
Do we need to learn that lesson again?
That leaves Huckabee, Romney, Guiliani and Thompson. (BTW, how did Hill forget Guiliani?)
Forget Thompson - thanks to his coy approach of waiting for a groundswell to carry him to victory. Didn't happen, won't happen.
Huckabee - an ordained minister in the oval office? Are you kidding? Especially Huckabee ("Do Mormons believe that Jesus and Satan are brothers?") Please. Don't we face enough challenges? Do we really need someone who's a one tune small timer? Haven't we learned anything about Arkansas politicians?
Here's the crux of the problem, once again we are faced with a choice of the "evil of two lessers" - what to do?
Cut out the litmus test that some insist on enforcing. Get rid of identity promoters, which is more divisive than you can believe.
Suck it up, we did it last time with GW Bush - there's no choice...considering the alternative we have to do it again.
The ultimate solution is getting the "right" people elected to Congress and if you want to do that join and support the Club for Growth - it will only take a couple of election cycles.
If you're not prepared to do that then you have only yourself to blame and all the blather is a waste of time - period.
Decal

Redlac and Charlie
I believe you are exactly correct. Fiscal conservatives have been done in, washed up and hung out to dry by the majority of politicians in the Republican party.

The party has abandoned the fiscally conservative people. We are now left with a bunch of big-government, heavy-spending politicians who claim that their socially conservative values make them conservatives -- when in fact, in my opinion, their socially conservative values make them anti-abortion, anti-gay, pro-gun liberals.

With Hunter's departure, we lost the second conservative from the GOP race, and I suspect we will soon lose the third, Fred Thompson. This is American speaking -- and clearly, there is not ENOUGH of a genuinely conservative base to support and elect a real conservative. We had 3 and the third will probably ditch any day. Apparently, this is what America wants.

Like others, I am sick of the Reagan worship. We look like idiots, wondering what Reagan would do and, at the same time, clearly living in a country that doesn't want another genuine conservative as President. Multiple chances have shown us that much.

THREE PRONGED COALITION

.....Hill ...

.....As far as the Presidency is concerned ...the three pronged coalition stopped with Reagan ...

.....His successor was a transplated New England Blue Blood limosine Liberal who called Reagans tax cuts "voodoo economics" and promised a "kinder gentler administration" (sound like Compassionate Conservatism anyone?)...

....Gingrich delivered the Senate and Congress until Clinton iced him out ...but GW proved that the acorn doesn't fall far from the tree and tried to outdo the Democrats on growing Government programs ...

.....Thompsom might have brought the coalition back but the voters have rejected him ...so where we go from here is anybodys guess ...Hillary's Health Care maybe? .....COLOSSUS

for jerabaub
jerabaub writes: "In my humble opinion, Bush has become an impediment, an obstacle, to overcome for the GOP this fall."

I've given up on 2008, and I suggest you do too.

If it's even possible to restore the Reagan coalition (something I seriously doubt), I'm convinced it cannot be done before Bush leaves office in January 2009. For the reason you stated. The GOP is trapped between having to defend Bush's incompetence to the voters who won't buy it, and breaking with Bush which would alienate the Christian evangelicals who still love Bush.

Bush has done for the Republican Party what Jimmy Carter did for the Democratic Party: Totally discredited it for the immediate future. So be it.

I'm more concerned with where conservatism goes in the next decade.

I have my own ideas as to what the essence of conservatism should be in the 21st century. I think those ideas could appeal to a wide swath of the American electorate. But it will require a restructuring of the Reagan coalition. New groups, like Hispanics and single career women, have to be welcomed. Old blocs, like the Christian evangelicals and Wall Street financiers, have to be put in their place. New issues, like environmentalism, have to be embraced. Old issues, like this insane "War on Drugs," need to be drastically reformed.

It's going to be a real fight; nobody wants to give up their existing power base.

But if conservatism is to stage a comeback, it has to start by reforming itself. Not by nostalgia for the vanished past of the Reagan years. But by looking forward.

if the economy tanks...
the left wins... people ALWAYS vote pocketbook first. This is why, e.g., the 'Crats want to legitimize ILLEGALS via the voter fraud scheme of drivers' licenses-- they would vote 95:5 for the 'Crats promising them more govt. giveaways. If the economy just softens, advantage Romney among the more sensible candidates. If the 'Crats cannot win following 8 years of Presidente Jorge, they have really blown it-- snatched defeat from the jaws of victory... Shrillary could do that for them! You go, girl!

Jorge has spent $ and grown govt. (Rx Care for Seniors, no vetoes) like a drunken sailor 'Crat, thus alienating true conservatives, and engendered the endless neoCON boondoggle in Iraq against the wrong bad Arabs (he took out Osama's enemy Saddam), alienating a big majority. Worse still long-term, he welcomed the ILLEGAL invasion and surreptitiously committed to send your S.S. $ south to Mexico. We got only tax cuts and and the court appointments as positives (though he tried to appoint his inarticulate legal secretary Harriet Miers because she was the only other person on earth to judge him "brilliant"), but his profligate, irresponsible spending (especially in Iraq) has wrought the deficits that the left should feed on. Jorge is a RINO, phoney conservative-- been there, done that-- no reprise needed with Juan McQuisling, Regularization Rudy, or the Huckster who also love ILLEGALS. Romney is a good choice indeed... successful, attractive, solid, reasonable-- presidential.

SteveL and Lodestar
I am amazed.

I happen to agree with both of you..for the most part.

Maybe we can begin our own insurgency...

...altho Lodestar, before I am a true believer in Romney, he should disassociate himself from the disastrous Bush foreign policy, and I don't think he will do so...He has more sense than Bush(no great feat), and probably would not be victimized by the neocons(as Bush was), but I need a clear renunciation of Bush foreign policy from him.

I don't think that will be forthcoming. Still, Romney has some attractive qualities.

WWRD?
He would vote for Ron Paul.

..but we couldn't mention that, could we?

Sam
Amen to you Sam

The Presidents Bushes, the More Earmarks Congress, and now the Huckabees/McCains have blown the old coalition apart.

The GOP will be on life support after the elections this fall and it is not clear it will survive.

Credibility
I often wonder if JFK were alive today would he be a Democrat. If Reagan were alive today would he be a Republican. I never met either one.

One of my memories of Reagan was of a sign that I heard sat on his desk. "There is no limit to what a man can accomplish if he doesn't mind who gets the credit." Reaganism is what we call it. He would have called it conservatism. He may well be the first to admit it wasn't about the man, but about the idea. An idea that he learned by talking to ordinary Americans long before he was elected president, the concept of conservatism.

He learned that when you negotiate you need to do it from a position of strength not of weakness. He knew it was better to have no agreement than a bad agreement. These lessons he learned before he bacame president.

Frankly, what we need is not Reagan, but the ideas that Reagan and others like him have attempted to teach us. Peace through strength will last. Peace through negotiations will not. Did Reagan negotiate ? Why yes, he did. While he extended one hand in friendship, the other had a club that his adversary knew he was willing to use. Peace through strength.

You can have the greatest military in the world, but if your enemy does not believe you would use it, then you have no strength. It is about credibility and liberals do not have it. Our enemies know this.

Tibby


Who cares??
The GOP hates Reagan and everything he stood for. Just read the posters, and columnists here.

They love the myth of Reagan but not the real man with real policies. They have taken ideology to the point of being retarded. That is why the Reagan coalition is dead.

This Tragedy..

...all began with Ronald Reagan. It was Reagan's mistake of keeping George H.W. Bush on the second term ticket. G.H.W. Bush was handy to appease the Rockefeller Republicans to elect Reagan for his first term. But RR should have gave Bush41 the boot in '84 and picked a worthy successor as a running mate for the 2nd. term. But RR kept Bush41 and this error paved the way for Ross Perot's disruption of the '92 election, the election of Bill Clinton and the eventual election of "his Daddy's son, "W" Bush.

Wm. Shakespeare could not have written a more tragic political play. The USA, with Reagan's policies, won the Cold War and defeated communism, if only to lose it's way in a "Hot Peace" with its socialists at home and Muslim terrorists substituting for the Russians abroad. Until 9/11.

Media nonsense
Although irrelavent, Reagan wouldn't have this problem as he had good leadership. The Republican party falling apart? Don't think so. Lots of choices with good candidates but no one who has everything the voter wants. You still have a democrat party whose position/policies are opposite those of the republican party. Once the primary process plays out, the party will unite behind the winner. However, in the trenches, the republican politicians need to learn to not pay attention to the media and it's negative rhetoric and start working on the party principles. The media is behind the democratic party and will do and say what it thinks will work in their favor. Hopefully (for America's sake) the voting public will do their homework and vote on issues and who will best lead America forward.

The Coalition is falling apart?
While the leaders of the three parts of the coalition, whoever they may be, may not agree who best represents their own part of the coalition, I think that when a candidate is chosen, whoever that may be, the coalition will again form around that person. There is no Republican candidate, no matter how hated by his detractors in the party, that the rank and file Republican will vote against him to allow either of the Democrat contenders to win without a fight, and no leader of any part of the coalition has enough power within his part of the party to draw away a significant number of Republicans from the nominee when he is selected. I would personally vote for any of the Republican front-runners before I would vote for either Mrs. Clinton or Mr. Obama, because the Republican Party still stands for small government and individual freedom more than the Democrat Party does.

Ron Paul is a Lunatic
I'm sorry, Paulites, but Ron Paul is a certifiable lunatic who has no business being around sharp objects. Sorry, but it's the truth. His stance on American foreign policy is based on false premises that he believes in. His domestic stances are okay, though I'm not thrilled at his stance on borders and immigration.

This nut believes America deserved to get hit on 9/11 by virtue of this nonsensical notion that we have no business involving ourselves on the world's stage and doing what we must do to promote freedom around the world. This isn't 1787. This is 2008, and we live in a world where war is easier than ever to wage, and we have fanatics that want to kill us because they want to kill us. Their reasons are every bit as similar in purpose as the Nazi's reasons for persecuting and hating Jews - it gives their followers something to vent their frustrations on other than their leaders.

We are America, and we have every bit as much right to further our interests in Empire building, as you fools like to call it, as anyone else. Someone has to be on top, might as well be us. I would rather have an solid American dominion over the earth than, say, China or the Soviet Union, or a potential worldwide Wahabist Caliphate. Take your pick.

DrBob writes: @ 1:18PM

Sam
Amen to you Sam

The Presidents Bushes, the More Earmarks Congress, and now the Huckabees/McCains have blown the old coalition apart.

The GOP will be on life support after the elections this fall and it is not clear it will survive.
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Do you guys actually KNOW what you're talking about?

The "earmark" kings have been, and continue to be, DEMOCRATS! In fact, a report came out just the other day that showed gurtha Murtha (D-PA) the single largest earmark person in CongrASS...

And, poor Sam is probably the single most negative, depressing, nay-sayer ever on TH.

A good anti-depressant might be in order!






It's not 1980
Reagan might not recognize his party today, which has supported the federalizing of education (No Child Left Behind), a massive expansion of Medicare through the pharmaceutical benefit, and most recently Bush's capitulation to a "stimulus" package and bail-out of the sub-prime "victims."

A recent poll showed the inklings of a new breed of Republican who would support a more robust role for the feds across the board. Sixty-eight of Americans support that, with 80% Dems and 52% Republicans, and David Brooks describes it very well in his recent NYT column.

The bottom line is that the country has abandoned its nascent embrace of conservative principles 25 years ago. To paraphrase Bush One, it's a 'softer and more spineless America,' and it comports well with the anti-nationalist instincts in the Democratic Party, genuflecting as they are wont to do at the altar of the UN.

So, traditional conservatism, which featured a flinty indifference to market corrections and which would scoff at the notion of bailing out the sub-primers, is now a relic of a bygone era.

We're left with a new class of politically correct, emasculated Americans who are either ignorant of the founding principles of our nation or are effectively indifferent to them.

I'll fight hard for whoever our candidate is, but there's a good chance we'll have Hill and Bill or Barack in the White House for the next 8 years.

See my post, "Are There Any Adults Left," concerning the "stimulus" package, at:

http://clearcommentary.townhall.com

Best,

Phil Mella
ClearCommentary.com

Wayfinder
How very mature of you. Unfortunately, your brand of ignorant and uninformed rhetoric is what rues the day.

All these things were said by the GOP and their rockefeller cronies about Ronald Reagan. They were successful in doing so in 1976 and gave us 4 years of Carter. Unfortunately, Ron Paul will not run again in 2012 as the "I told you so" candidate. We need him now, and don't have time for the Carter solution this time.

"This nut believes America deserved to get hit on 9/11 by virtue of this nonsensical notion that we have no business involving ourselves on the world's stage and doing what we must do to promote freedom around the world. "

So nonsensical that it is supported by nearly EVERY intelligence agency in America. So nonsensical, that it was the conclusion of the 9/11 comission report. The nut Paul Wolfowitz even agreed with this nonsensical assessment.

But some idiot that doesn't understand the first thing about conservatism sitting at his computer desk somewhere in BFE somehow has the credibilty to call Ron Paul a kook.

First thing he would do.
"Quick, some one get me a pen and paper,I have to re-write that rule, this no good liar and fraud Mike Huckabee the rabbit popcorn cooker,
is going to get us all defeated. Hurry before its to late."

Sigh!
Reality IS, and Time is the revelation of what IS.

All that has ever happened on this world (much of which remains hidden from our eyes, having left only faint clues in the rocks), including all those things we and our ancestors have participated in, are merely part of the fabric of this infinitesimally tiny part of Reality. To think what WILL be revealed is any different is to be clueless about the nature of Reality, even the tiny part of it we can actually perceive.

Shakespeare understood this when he said "All the world's a stage and we but actors on it."

We think we have choices, but in fact they all boil down to just one--whether we will accept Reality and our places in it or not.

Fatalistic? Maybe. I'm a Republican precinct committee person, and will do what I can to encourage the election of conservative Republicans to office here in Colorado. But I don't hold out any hope for the future, either of this country or for the human species within the circles of the world. Hope is a word without meaning when you contemplate Reality as a whole and your place in it. But then, so is despair.

For more, see my blog.

Not Fractured
The coalition has not fractured. That is a MSM myth.

Romney has support from all 3 factions, the economic, the security and social factions.

McCain has support from the Military wing and some support from social conservatives.

Huck has 1/3 of the social conservatives and opposition from the economic and military wings. Huck is also becoming less relevant after losing SC.

The social conservatives are spread across Romney, Fred, Huck and McCain. That is not a fracture. As candidates weaken and fade the social conservatives will mostly get behind one or two candidates.

It is winnowing not fracturing.

Latest Ras poll
The latest Ras poll is McCain 23 Romney 20 Huck 17 and Rudy 8. That is not a fracture but the beginning of movement to people who have been winning delegates. It is a natural process and should continue.

McCain has strong opposition from the anti immigration forces but they do not fall neatly into the economic, religious or security camps.

If there is a fracture, it is on immigration. It is not the dividing of the old coalition, it is the opposition of McCain and the flipping of Huck on the best wedge issue that we have.

for BG
BG writes: "Romney has support from all 3 factions, the economic, the security and social factions."

So did Fred Thompson.

But the point is that neither of these candidates had anywhere near a majority of those three factions.

"Uniting the Reagan coalition" doesn't refer to uniting just a tiny fraction of each wing of it.

Not Fractured
I agree with BG. The coalition is not fractured, the problem is that we just don't seem to have a good candidate who is not viewed as deeply flawed by one of another of the "wings" of the coalition.

McCain - Strong on defense, but incredibly weak on domestic issues like immigration, tax policy etc. Not acceptable to the ecomonic and social conservatives.

Romney - Strong on economics and probably defense, but prior weakness on social issues as govenor and his Mormonism make him objectionable to social conservatives.

Huckabee - Solid social conservative (with the exception of his record on immigration), but his support of the faix tax and complete lack of experience and insight on defense issues make him unacceptable.

Gulliani - Strong on economic policy, talks tough on defense, but his experience in NY was really more one of 'emergency response' and not sufficient to guide his defense/foreign policy. Finally, his several marriages and divorces coupled with his personal support for abortion and gay marriage make him unacceptable.

Thompson - Pretty good on all three, but he came in late with the attitude that he was the savior for those of us who weren't happy with the other options and has condescended to run for our sake. This comes off as very arrogant and hasn't served him well.

Paul - Lunatic. 'Nuff said.

So the problem isn't the coalition. It's the candidates. Eventually, one emerge as the nominee and we'll support him, (none would be worse than Hillary, Obama or Edwards, except maybe Ron Paul). But now, during the primaries, this is the time to vote our priorities and our conscience and unfortunately, all of the current crop of candidates make that very dificult.

For me
As a former Republican, current Independent, I am for Romney over anyone else. For me, the social issues are state issues, not federal. The POTUS needs to focus on economy and defense but leave the choice of the individual to the individual. I have my own feelings on abortion and gay marriage, but why would it be right for me to force my beliefs on others. Isn't that what our country was made to be? A place of free choice and will. Bush lost a lot of respect from me shortly after he took office. I remember seeing him on Larry Kink talking about gay marriage being a state issue, not federal and I thought that here was a guy who understood the constitution. What did he do shortly after taking office? He started talking about a constitutional ammendment defining marriage. Way to go there. What we need now is someone who can at least try to bring unity to this country. We had that opportunity in 2001 and it was wasted on poor calls by Bush. The flag waiving rah rah lasted a few months, but after time it all went back to the you versus me mentality in politics and look at where we are now. A lame Congress, Senate and President.

It never fails
there is always someone who blames the evangelicals. Yes, the Christian right did
support Bush (what if we hadn't we'd have had the Gorebot; and then in '04 Lurch and then the same ones attacking evangelicals for supporting Bush would be the same one attacking for not supporting Bush. Get a life, evangelicals are NOT monolithic. I'm an evangelical; amd I'm a fiscal, social and defense conservative and also an INDEPENDENT who votes Republican. And Bush lost me when he called American's vigilantes, campaigned in Mexico, promising Amnesty to his constituents there and really turned me against him when he refused to intercede for our two
Border Agents. I get a bit testy when the man I
voted twice for, supported called people like me
unpatriotic because we want secure Borders and
this illegal mess fixed. We were uneasy and a bit insulted with the compassionate conservative
line, insinuating that conservatives weren't but he would show us the way..but as I said, who else did we have?
The RINO's with his help set out to destroy the coalition, after it was their party not ours and we were only useful on election days and sending in $ to fight those wascally democwats..which is a tired cliche after '06, but they are still using it. We can't sit out and cede the Republic to Marxists in all the branches, we have to work to take the majority back otherwise
we are toast.

The New Ronald Reagan
Just about 1/2 hour ago I heard a woman being
interviewed on Book TV. Her name is Kiron
Skinner and her book is "Strategy of Campaigning." This is her 2nd book on Ronald
Reagan. She stated that she started out as
a naysayer about Reagan, but changed her mind
along the way as she studied him. She is a
professor of History and Political Science at
Carnegie Mellon University.

Near the end of her interview, she said that of
all the candidates, from either side of the
aisle, she felt that Hillary was the one who
was becoming the most like Reagan.

Are you prepared to vote for her? I am.

This is just so rich....

roberto started his stupid posting on KMC's column. He was ignored, and then everyone LEFT....


Now he's here, and everyone is ignoring him... and no doubt undoubtedly soon everyone will leave..


We're trying to figure out when roberto will have his "rights" read to him, and if they'll get him for "impersonating and officer" or "violating the UCMJ."

Either way, it's going to be a real hoot! LOL








Almost forgot
there are two evangelicals who do not support Mike Huckabee anymore than we support MC Cain

What would Reagan do now???
I think he would ask Nancy what the official presidential psychic could see in his/her crystal ball, and then shape policy from there.

reagan...do..?
even tho i liked the gipper..what would he do? i hope not offer amnesty again! i hope not allow a tax hike again(along with tip o neill of the democrats)!..hmmmmmm? i guess he wasnt as far right as some people paint him to be!

elvis

Entertaining
It's often entertaining to observe the rhetoric of "progressive" in politics and societal change.

As if the idea of progress were some expletive that no one should speak.

Progress in all areas of life have provided us a great deal in comfort and enriched our lives to do more, enjoy more, explore more.

Just because an idea from the 50's like discriminating Blacks was thought ideal, doesn't mean it is now. That's progress.

Regan may have been a good President - FOR HIS TIME IN OUR HISTORY - but attempting to "return" to such a time and place ignores the natural "progress" of life which is linear.

Sadly, for some, they just want to keep returning to old ideas thinking it worked then why not now.

Well, why not build upon the framework and infuse it with new perspective based on an ever changing world. Or is that too much progressive to ask.

Perhaps that might be too much for people who want to roll back society.

Asking...
What would Reagan do is like asking what would jesus do - another place and time.

*apologies for the incorrect spelling of Reagan in the previous post

Establishment-defenders & Bushies
don't want to face the truth, but Ronald Reagan would be endorsing Congressman Ron Paul (just as RP endorsed the former California governor in 1976).

Exhibit A:

"If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals–if we were back in the days of the Revolution, so-called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is."

- Ronald Reagan to Reason magazine, July 1975
http://www.reason.com/news/show/29318.html

Anne of 11:16
predicts a departure. 11:31, troll departs. Nice going Anne, and all who ignored the troll.

Savage99: Thank you! :-)
It may take a while, but eventually, ignoring senseless and/or vile posters does work! :-)




Reagan rejected Libertarianism
Libertarians were a vocal group in the early Reagan years. Reagan and Republicans decided that while parts of the libertarian philosophy fit into conservatism, we were different. Reagan never had the same views are Ron Paul, who as people mentioned here, was politically active during the early Reagan years.

Conservatism is not equal to Libertarianism.

Ron Paul is nothing new, but the "same old, same old". Same Libertarians that have been saying the same things, trying to convert us for 30 years.

Forgot one
The author managed to forget Huckabee's frighteningly left sounding foreign policy.

Then again, I think this whole "fractured coalition" talk is overblown. Of course during the primaries the three branches will fight it out to see which one will wield the greatest influence. But until the primaries are over and the party needs to pull together is it is silly to say the coalition is in trouble.

Once the primaries end, THEN we can see how well the coalition holds together.

Wu Wei
Exactly when (and where, if you can find any support whatever for your contention - which you cannot) did Ronald Reagan "reject" Libertarianism?

Just saying it doesn't make it so. Can you cite (as I did - and there's lots more where that came from) anything to back up your statement?

I'm sorry as anyone else that we have been duped for so long by the Bushes and the "Republican" flim-flam artists in Congress. But it's time we returned to the true philosophical roots of Goldwater/Reagan Conservatism. It's time we sloughed off the cynicism, selfish self-promotion, corruption and stupidity that have affixed themselves to the G.O.P. for the past twenty years. It's time we voted for Ron Paul.

The coalition is fractured
because the leftist republicans got greedy. They promoted Mitt too early amd destabilized the whole process in an attempt to DENY the grassroots a fair race.

The war-party wanted to persuade us for the last year that the War on Terror was the ONLY issue. But now that they have unqualified cndidates for Commander in Chief (Mitt, Huck, and Giuliani and McCain who is too old), they want to turn our attention to the economy as if THAT is the most important thing.

I see exactly what these scoundrels are doing.

So I'm voting for a VETERAN during "war" time. I'm voting for Dr. Ron Paul because he doesn't appear to be getting senile like McCain is. Dr Paul is the only viable veteran left standing after foolish republicans rejected their best candidate: Duncan Hunter.

I am voting for a veteran for president because I care about our troops when they are engaged in warfare. This election is not about neo-con lip service to the troops, it is about REAL service. Service that Mitt, Hillary, Hussein Obama, Huck, and Giuliani never had.

The fracturing of the coalition began in earnest at Townhall with Hugh Hewitt.

NOW IT'S COUNT THE VOTES
As a Reagan style conservative, I don't see the perfect candidate in this race. Austin put it well in describing strengths and weaknesses--that's how it is this time.

So we can't decide who the best is by some sort of formula or debate. All we can do is count the votes (and therefore the delegates) and support the winner.

Unless nobody gets enough delegates and we get a brokered convention...Yahoo!

Bill in Mont
You nailed it EXACTLY my friend. EXACTLY.


Reagan?
What would Reagan do? Now there you go again with the same silly question. Why he'd probably give our neighbors to the south another amnesty.
That would sure straighten things out.

Can't believe how depressed
so many conservatives are! One of the things that attracted me to conservatism was its optimism and hope in the future of our country.

There are no perfect candidates but John McCain, warts and all, is a great man and would make the best potus, Dem or Rep, of all candidates running.

Lattter
Well, I have a meeting scheduled on my jet tank helicopter, so off to chow then a meeting.

Maybe wonder woman and I will write after our personal interview with McCain. Go sailorformula409!!!

Latttter!

Some blather, some bleat, long live the Rob-public!

about the un-Reagan, Presidente Jorge
This is WELL worth a read...
Evan Thomas of Newsweek in a compelling analysis of Presidente Jorge's failings:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/96527

excerpts:
President George W. Bush has squandered that trust. His presidency has been, in essence, faith-based—not just faith in God, but faith in Bush. After 9/11, he asked the nation to invest in his narrative of good versus evil. He seemed to be saying, "I'm taking care of this, you have to trust me." Critics and naysayers were scorned as ditherers or cowards. Bush wanted to appear resolute, but at times he just seemed bullheaded and oblivious. As Jacob Weisberg shows in the following excerpts from his new book, "The Bush Tragedy," the president constantly changed his rationale for invading Iraq—indeed his entire foreign policy—as inconvenient facts popped up or the mood moved him. Other crises, like Hurricane Katrina and more recently the sinking economy, seemed to catch him by surprise.

The test of a successful presidency, history shows, is the ability to project visionary self-confidence without, at the same time, brushing aside stubborn truths.

The next president of the United States faces challenges just as vexing as Soviet communism. He or she would do well to summon proponents of different strategies—and then truly listen to what they have to say. If George W. Bush had done something similar before the invasion and occupation of Iraq, his would-be successors might not be so standoffish, and the Republican Party might not be in such a precarious state.

BG
I don't see Huckabee's stated immigration policies as any type of reversal or flip-flop even though you and Rush seem to.

Advocating eligibility for a scholarship for the CHILDREN of illegal aliens and then stating a position of closing the border and deporting illegal aliens is not in conflict.

Gov Huckabee knows that nobody can deport 12 million people at once.

There are lots of things to not like Huckabee about - immigration is not one of them.

Fiscal conservatism is not one of them either - he inherited a 220 million dollar deficit, raised taxes 500 million and left an 850 million dollar surplus. That's a 100% return over his 10 years as governor.

Romney inherited a deficit, managed balanced budgets, raised fees by about 500 million dollars, but left with a deficit - that' not very responsible governing.

Romney's job growth record isn't all that hot either - 0.5% compared to the 5.5% nationally (source - Boston Globe). Everybody says what a great business man he is - that may be true, but in his actual governing experience he wasn't able to generate jobs very well or erase an inherited deficit.

Romney does NOT have the 3 legs
Someone earlier stated that Romney had all 3 of the legs of the conservative "stool" or coalition.

Actually, he is credible only on perhaps the economic leg. Social conservatives largely do NOT trust his recent "conversions" on abortion and marriage. They were timed far too conveniently to be genuine; moreover, he's been seen to have more than one "conversion" according to the political situation.

Even his record on economic issues in Massachusetts was not that stellar. Northeastern University economist Andrew Sum, who has researched Romney's record, said the state lagged the U.S. average during that period in job creation, economic growth and wage increases.

"As a strict labor market economist looking at the record, Massachusetts did very poorly during the Romney years," Sum said. "On every measure you've got, the state was a substantial under-performer."

I haven't heard his foreign policy positions. I suppose they are suitably and blandly-enough in line with Bush's so as not to raise any noise, otherwise I would have heard about them.
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