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Sunday, December 30, 2007
Austin Hill :: Townhall.com Columnist
"Safe Toys For Our Children" versus "The Global War On Terror"
by Austin Hill
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We must be living in separate worlds.

That was the only conclusion I could arrive at, as I recently sat and watched video coverage of a major presidential candidate’s speech in Iowa.

It was early Thursday morning, two days after Christmas. I was preparing to host the mid-morning talk show at Washington, DC’s 630 WMAL, one of the many talk radio outlets around the country for which I work.

While sifting through the morning‘s most recent headlines, I happened to glance up at one of the television monitors in my studio, which was tuned to CNN. And the image on the screen said it all.

Senator Barack Obama was standing at a podium delivering a speech, while the podium displayed two signs attached in the front. One sign bore his familiar “Obama ‘08” logo; the other sign bore the theme of his speech: “Safer Toys For Our Children.”

What a neat thought during the week of Christmas. Parents across the United States had just finished gift wrapping likely thousands of toys. And children had just finished unwrapping these toys. And now many parents and kids were likely deciding whether they would keep the toys or return them or exchange them, and many parents were likely concerned about the safety of those toys - - especially the ones manufactured in China.

And here was Barack Obama, assuring Iowa voters than when he becomes President, his administration will work to ensure “safer toys for our children.”

I stopped and contemplated this for a moment. I was once again reminded that, for most of this past year, watching the presidential campaigns from each of the two major parties has been like watching people in parallel universes. And while all the candidates talk about things that “threaten America,” Democrats and Republicans have very different ideas about what those threats are.

On the left side of the aisle, our nation’s greatest threats are mostly home grown. In no particular order, the list includes: global warming; pharmaceutical companies; a lack of “free” health care; “tax cuts for the rich;” “partisanship;” oil companies; “the status quo in Washington;” “a lack of good jobs;” increases in college tuition costs; and now, apparently, “dangerous toys.” To the extent that Democrats talk about international or militaristic threats, those all seem to be home grown as well - - it’s a dangerous world because President Bush has made it dangerous and has damaged our global reputation, but when he’s gone and America embraces a “humble foreign policy,“ the world will like us again and, presumably, the dangers will go away.

On the right side of the aisle, things look different. The list is probably shorter, but seemingly more succinct at the same time. For the Republican candidates the threat list includes: terrorism and the ideology of Islamic extremism; our dependence on foreign oil; taxes; the nation’s insecure borders; out-of-control federal spending; an incoherent immigration policy; federal waste; a lack of market competition in the health care industries; the “death tax;“ and hostile nations that develop nuclear weapons.

To be fair, no presidential campaign nor any administration is complete without adequate attention paid to both domestic and foreign affairs. And historically, Republicans and Democrats have almost disagreed as to how domestic and foreign matters should be prioritized, and how best to address them.

Yet from where I sit, the parallel universe analogy continues to hit home as I watch many of the Democratic candidates. Sure, healthcare in America is a mess. But Hillary’s plan for “fixing” it - - complete with her redistributionist economic model - - and her unwillingness to even consider that market competition could improve matters, is not something that I even recognize as American, nor can I fathom that her approach would improve the quality or availability of healthcare.

And, yes, faulty consumer products - - including “dangerous toys” - - is a legitimate problem. Yet it never occurred to me to look to the President of the United States to solve such a problem. In fact, hearing Obama’s explanation of how he’d “solve” the problem seemed even further removed from the true duties of the Executive Branch, than did President Clinton’s attempt to “solve” the baseball strike of the 1990’s.

But fortunately, both universes were disrupted about an hour after I saw Obama on CNN, with the news of former Pakistani Prime Minister Bhutto’s murder. The news was and still is horrific, and could bring about disastrous consequences. Yet in a way it’s a gift for Americans: suddenly, the presidential candidates of both parties will now be required over the coming days and weeks to tell us how they would solve a real, dangerous, international crisis.

I’ll be especially curious to see how Hillary’s eight years of “experience” has equipped her to handle this, or if Obama can offer a way to ensure America's safety - - just like he has promised “safe toys.”

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Austin Hill is a Talk Show Host At Boise, Idaho's 580 KIDO Radio, and a frequent Guest Host on the Fox Newstalk Radio Network. He is the Author of "White House Confidential: The Little Book Of Weird Presidential History," And Co-Author of the forthcoming title "The Virtues Of Capitalism: A Moral Case For Free Markets" (Northfield/Moody Press, 2010).
 
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You forgot to mention ...
... the violent video games, sex in movies and TV, and those naughty rock and rap lyrics. These all must be censored. You also forgot to mention the War on Christmas; saying "Merry Christmas" should be mandatory. See, conservatives wrap themselves in some pretty idiotic issues as well.

Ingesting lead results in brain damage. To conservatives, this is not a particularly important issue.


The Dems care, that's what counts!
There is no threat of terror attacks because the Muslims actually love and respect us, and they would never do anything to harm us once GWB is out of office. Once GWB leaves, the world and the Muslims will once again be as peaceful as ever.

The Left is correst in making such issues as safe toys their main focus. As an American citizen, I really have no other concern except to find out who is going to provide me with a great job, healthy income, quality affordable housing, free medical care and education, funds for retirement, and so forth. I am entitled to a rich, fulfilling life, and only the Democrats seem concerned enough about seeing to it that someone provides such a life for me.

Oh the Irony! Part 1
The irony in this column is so great it probably completely escapes the author.

The list of threats that Austin says Republican's are most concerned with have either been made worse or woefully neglected under their recent 6 years of control of Federal Government.

Islamic extremism? Is that better now?

Dependence on foreign oil? What did the Republicans do to make that better under their watch? 66% of our oil now comes from foreign sources vice 58% in the year 2000. An estimated 5 billion more dollars every single day is poured into the coffers of the likes of Russia, the Middle East, Venezuela, Nigeria, Mexico, etc. than when Bush was first elected.

Insecure borders? What was done under their control about this again?

Out of control federal spending? Please read the following Heritage Foundation critique of Republican performance.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Budget/upload/83722_1.pdf

Federal Waste? Too many examples to list. 23 billion dollars from the 2003 budget is unaccounted for still. Pallets of cash sent to Iraq for rebuilding projects estimated at 8 billion dollars have never been accounted for. A Billion dollar contract awarded to DynCorp International and the government has nothing to show for the outlay of funds. An estimated 2 Billion dollars was wasted from fraud and abuse during the Hurricane Katrina clean-up. Shoddy construction, no-bid contracts, and an orgy of blind cronyism will forever be the hallmark of this administration.Earmarks reached an alltime high under Republican control of the House.

Lack of market competition in HealthCare? See the Heritage Foundation report link above. Bush’s Medicaid drug prescription plan will go down as one of the most budget busting entitlement programs in history.

























Oh the Irony! Part 2
The Republicans like to say that government is the problem and not the solution. Then true to form, they prove that maxim beyond a shadow of a doubt when they were voted into power.

We already know that he Republicans have no ability to solve the threats on Austin's list, as their track record has proven. The Democrats will most likely have a go at it after the next election...and will most likely fail too.

Then, quite possibly, the American people (who Churchill once described as always doing the right thing, but only after exhausting all other possible options first) will discard this hopelessly absurd two party farce by voting the bums out and freezing contributions to both of their corrupt organizations.

Americans have two enemies
Hurting them worse than the Osama's of the world ever could.

They are called democrats and republicans.

Well said campagnolo

Hillary History remains a secret
Good article that indentifies a key problem with the Dems. They don't get it that our country is in real danger from terrorism as well as the rest of the world. Anyone in office has to tackle terrorism because if we don't there will be more 9/11s. Hillary showed her lack of experience by calling for a probe of Musharraf and stating she doesn't trust him. Unbelievable because if she wins the election she has to work with Musharraf and hope for his support. Does she think "she" can replace him? Obviously a rookie move.
Also on her "experience". If her experience during her husband's presidency was so good why doesn't she release her records from the Clinton Library? They are locked down until I think 2012. If so great she and McCauliff would have plastered them all over...but they remain off limits. Why isn't the US press pushing this issue?
Mike http://mtaricani.blogspot.com/

The one subject no one asks:
Could Islamo-terrorists, having felled a politician (Bhutto) in a country (Pakistan), do it again somewhere else (USA)?

AUSTIN
I once saw a cartoon.It showed a man trying to keep a balloon in the air;his pants fell,then his underwear,and then "OTHER THINGS" began to come out.When I think about Terrorism and Republicans,I am reminded of that cartoon.The murder of Mrs. Bhutto;referenced by you as a good thing,shows a lack of sensitivity when used so loosely.The "WORLD" appears to be in the hands of "COWARDS".When Mrs. Clinton wins the nomination,I will give her an idea, that will place her in total control of our foreign policy.So please go back to sleep,in your parallel universe.The WORLD will be in very good hands.It will be just like "ALLSTATE"! I would hope, that your level of stupidity, does not allow you to believe,that Mrs. Bhutto was killed by "TERRORIST"?In case it DOES,she was NOT!!

Night and day
Or maybe closer to dawn and dusk. That's how far apart the two parties candidates are. The dems are all sillier than idealistic 3rd graders and the repubs are like goofy, hormonal teenagers, for the most part. Snotty elitists, all, but at least one side is closer to adulthood than the other.

The problem is, 1/3 of the voters are closer to noon; another 3rd around midnight and the rest either can't tell time or don't pay attention to clocks.

The candidate who will get elected is the one who can cover the entire face of the "clock" with a mix of silly and serious issues to appeal to enough voters.

This pandering to all us sheeple doesn't set a direction to lead, but is ruling by consensus, which Maggie Thatcher said negates leadership.

It is also a shame that many are SO dumbed down by our disasterous education system that they have no clue, and will vote for that person who benefits them the most personally - and the country be damned. Pandering, sloganeering and populism manipulates far too many people.

What a third world attitude we've developed. We're sliding into a Mexico or Russia-like society where everyone figures, "Hey, look where his corruption and criminality got him." "I'm gonna get me some."

Greed is good. Look how successful Senator Clinton and her husband have been using their venal strategy?

Who Do You Hire?
When the wolves are at you door you don't go to the rolodex and find the number of your babysitter. That is unless you are a Leftnut. Leftnuts will feed the babysitter to the wolves and then feed the chidren to the wolves and then sit and hope the wolves won't be hungry anymore.

You better have a really strong door and a shotgun. The world is and will always be filled with wolves. Pretending they are Pomeranians will not save your butt.

Another irony
In the aftermath of World War II, this country produced about half the manufactured goods on the planet. We've been running a balance-of-trade deficit just about all my life, however. We shovel out fantastic sums not only for toxic toys made in sweatshops and political prisons, but also for tainted food, shabby clothing, ineffective medications, defective spare parts, and pirated recordings. The money that we spend on this junk ends up in the personal fortunes, corporate treasuries, and sovereign wealth funds systematically gobbling up our companies and our infrastructure. The irony: this state of affairs really _is_ a problem. Mr. Hill, I hope, appreciates its gravity, but set such considerations aside to make his point -- that Sen. Obama and his kind lack seriousness. Sen. Obama has evidently volunteered as an advocate of more caring Care Bears without a clue to how big a problem he's taken on.

We are living in parallel universes
The "progressives" created theirs in the 1960s, when they decided that the answer to all the world's ills was to assume that the United States was both (a) at fault, and (b)evil. Their policies since then have been predicated on the assumption that, if they could somehow destroy us, they could build a new, wonderful world full of "social justice" on the ruins thereof. And that the rest of the world would be so grateful to them for doing so that it would recognize their "innate superiority and fitness to rule", and be their loving subjects forever and ever, Amen, Praise Gaia, Marx, and Plato. (Their three actual "objects of veneration".)

As for the "compassionate conservatives" on the other side, they are today essentially "faux progressives" who don't believe in what the real ones are selling, but somehow think they have to pretend to do so to get anyone to vote for them. This makes them either self-deluded or simply stupid, I'm still not entirely sure which. (the recent "energy bill" signed by the President- an ex-oilman and former military pilot who should have known better on purely scientific grounds- is a case in point.)

What both lots have in common is a near-total inability to deal with the real world as it is- this is especially true of the "progressives", who are classic fantasy-prone personalities in spite of all their claims to being "reality-based".

As I have said before, 2008 would be a great year for everyone to vote None Of The Above.


cheers

eon

TheChildren!
Obama has picked up half a message, in recognizing that the country is now filled with shrieking Mommies whose sole reason for living is ceaseless adoration of TheChildren. Canada has slid ever closer to the abyss by promising and occasionally throwing handsful of cash for TheChildren, because people whose IQs are low normal cannot understand anything except that which takes place in the Universe of TheChildren.

If Obama will promise that every Child in America will gt tickets to a Hannah Montana Concert the day he is elected, he will win in a landslide.

Now if he can get the other half of his message, which is THE SIXTIES ARE OVER, he is in. God help us every one.

Dennis M,
The lead paint problem is easily solved by testing and diverting those toys with excessive amounts of lead paint and the toy companies should be held accountable for this. No huge government program required.

You can't so easily dismiss the insidious effects of violent video games on young children or the effects of antisocial lyrics of rock and rap lyrics on impressionable teens. These are not idiotic issues.

Killer,
I would be careful of using the word stupid in your inane post here, if I were you. Not to mention...

Oh NEVER MIND! You are OBVIOUSLY just a VICTIM of our defunct EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM.

Chinese parents favor foreign-brand toys
What does this tell you about China?

China - When freelance writer Wang Jian shops for toys for her 5-year-old son, she’s happy to pay extra for Legos blocks and Japanese-brand train sets.

The reason, she and other parents say: Foreign brands enjoy a reputation for higher quality — a perception reinforced by the product scares of recent months.

“We pay close attention to the news about toy and food safety. If I find a problem with a certain brand, I will just stop using it for sure,” said Wang, who writes for film magazines

READ MORE

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/chinese-parents-fa vor-foreign-brand-toys


I am concerned about lead
in the toys. As all of you I have children (and or)un grandchildren.

However, facing the threat of islamofacism, I am very afraid because democrats are afraid.

Toys won't matter if we are attacked perhaps even with nuclear bombs.

Witness deomocrat candidates response to the Bhutto assination. Obama and Clinton responded only by trying to turn it to political advantage.

McCain, for instance, responded with the process needed to deal with her death and its impact on the US.

'killer"...?
Well "killer" do you have a description of the assassin......hint..assassin, a killer who murders a political figure from fanaticism or for a price. Of course my definition is from a conservative dictionary. Where/what is yours.

We'd better take a look in the mirror
It is way past time for term limits and ridding the country of lobbyists. Our taxes would drop dramatically and we'd get a lot more out of our tax dollars if so much didn't go to special projects to insure reelection. I think it would go along way toward eliminating the political machines that have way too much power in both parties.
Something must be done about the power of the environmental groups, who are running our country because of their very powerful money raising ability. We have the unbelievable situation of their main goal being to eliminate the food producers of this country. They have had a long standing assault on ranchers and seem to feel the land must be used for recreation, not raising food. Libs may be the caring party, but they have no problem families they don't like out of business and off the land.
Dems are the "bleivers", and insist the rest of the world "believe" too, nowhere is that more evident than in global warming. Mr. Gore flies around like a bird in his private jet telling the rest of us we have to do without to save the planet, but of course what he does and others do doesn't matter becaue they "believe". Now we have the idiotic situation of using mercury based light bulbs to "save the earth", and no place to put the mercury when the bulbs break.
The Repubs aren't much better because they pander to some of this idiocy & of course they want earmarks to get themselves reelcted too.

edit
I meant "I am afraid because the democrats are unafraid."

On Tainted Toys
Someone that believes in limited government probably also has the sense to know the market is capable of dealing with defective products. Since the lead paint problem has come to light many toy factories in China have closed. At least one factory owner has committed suicide. The Chinese are learning the hard way that making stuff that is defective is very expensive.

Refusing to buy from a country that lets products like these go out the door is the most effective way to deal with the problem. If your standard is the least expensive item to satisfy your needs then you deserve what you get. If they are forced to raise their standards by the market it will also raise their costs. That will put domestic suppliers in a better position to compete on price.

john konop
opn a cruise we sat with a couple from taiwan who worked in shanghai. She maintained all they knew bought inported food rather than trust the processed food made in china as no one felt it was safe to consume. We alledgedly havce sent safety inspectors over there buy probably like saddam they are getting the countryside shuffle

TruLib
Yes, the market is capable of dealing with tainted products---after the public has already been harmed by them. You conservatives have a pretty casual attitude about people being sickened or killed. As you put the matter so nicely, that is "learning the hard way".

When I go to the grocery store to shop, I don't want to have to learn the hard way what meat, fish, or produce is going to send my family and me to the emergency room. I want greedy industrialists to be controlled BEFORE their greed can make us sick---or dead.

I am keeping house now for 55 years. Never, never in my entire life until the laissiz-business-faire days of Bush II have I had to worry, in the United States of America, that our food supply was unsafe. Now I do. I want this stopped.

You conservatives think you are more religious than liberals? You worship money, and you think business is God.

Lily
Are you so naiive to think tainted products never ever existed in earlier times?

Just another blame Bush thing? And what exactly would the democrats have done if in power? Oh yes, passed more regulations, built a new bureacracy and taxed us to pay for it.

Meanwhile, organic loving voters are getting poisoned by the feces fertilizing of the organic products. They don't even need Chinese products. Remember the spinach scare in California?

Campagnolo
Thank you for a great post. Not many here manage to get approval from both me and Talent Scout on the same post. You do illustrate that, left and right, a rarely before seen number of Americans are deeply unhappy about their govt. Heads must roll. We conservatives refused to back our "traitors" who abandoned the principles they were voted in to implement. And so we had 06. Let's see what the left does to the likes of Pelosi in 08.

Life Has Risks
lilly writes: Sunday, December, 30, 2007 9:58 AM
TruLib
Yes, the market is capable of dealing with tainted products---after the public has already been harmed by them. You conservatives have a pretty casual attitude about people being sickened or killed. As you put the matter so nicely, that is "learning the hard way".

When I go to the grocery store to shop, I don't want to have to learn the hard way what meat, fish, or produce is going to send my family and me to the emergency room. I want greedy industrialists to be controlled BEFORE their greed can make us sick---or dead.

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Conservatives don't want to be harmed either, but recognize two things that seem lost on liberals: risk and cost.

To live is to take risks, and there is nothing to be done about it. The only question is how much risk are we willing to assume and what does it cost to get there.

Your post assumes the government makes it safe. The government was entirely responsible for the Big Dig, which killed a woman in Boston, or the bridge collapse in Minneapolis, which killed several people. These were government managed projects in which people were killed by failures of, well, other people. People make mistakes, whither they work for the government or industry.

What is different is how government approaches the problem versus industry. TruLip has it right, businesses will fix the problem because they are greedy, not altruistic. Government, because they are altruistic, will claim to fix the problem so that it never happens again.

Throughout history bridges have fallen down; they will continue to fall down. The dangers of which we speak were largely eliminated in this country by greedy capitalists. Greedy business in China is learning the lesson and the world's toys will be safer. Bridges will continue to collapse.

voting with our feet
If you are the only one voting with your feet, you are often the one who suffers.

For example, I am against government handouts, so I am trying to start over without taking them. I have taken a bit of help at college, but mostly I don't qualify. However, I am surrounded by cheaters who lie about their circumstances and get government aid, even though they are much better off than me.

In the same way, the Republican commitment to small government hurts us, because we then fail to go into government jobs.

But the Democrats and other Lefties don't have any such commitment, and they jump in with two big feet.

So the Left has wound up taking control of vast portions of government, and the conservatives wring their hands and wonder why!

We might disapprove of big government, but big government is the reality, and it will never get smaller if we refrain from getting involved.

lilly
See what elki.mike said.

Savage: Excellent point!
The Dems are intrinsically incapable of turning on their so-called leaders. You are right; let's see what they do in '08! And, let's remember the challenge and make sure it gets discussed after the election.

elko mike and loco
in poor old lilly's deluded world the govt saves everyone from risk and ponies up the funds so no one gets inconvenienced from disaster. But personal responsibility demands that we are careful in all we do. The usa has sent inspectors to chins but obviously are unable to verify every manufactoring process that exists there. Once reports of tainted chinese products were discovered, warnings went out. But we stop chinese imports of food stuffs by not buying them. Poor old lilly lives in mass. I don't hear of her concern for helping to unleash swimmer kennedy and his big govt spending and welfare enabling policies that he has helped push on america. Further I wonder if the parents of her students in mass were aware of the idiotic rantings she passed on in her classroom. lilly, please return to your corner chair and gum your strained carrots

A REPUBLIC IF YOU CAN KEEP IT

.....When asked, after the Continental Convention in Philadelphia, if we had a Monarchy or a Republic, Benjamin Franklin replied, "A Republic if you can keep it". ...

.....The election of 2008 might answer that question ...

.....This is the year when voters will decide if the noble experiment of a Republic based on individual liberty will survive ...or if it will crumble after decades of Liberal indoctrination into Socialism .....COLOSSUS

Lead in toys is a dead null issue
Lead in toys and paint is a moot issue. How many of you are aware that in the 50's and 60's many of the water pipes that were installed for public water service were either lead or lead jointed. All of the copper plumbing was lead soldered. Nearly all of the quality aint had lead in it. Red lead was used as a primer for nearly all metal. As far back as the revolutionary war Toys were cast out of lead. Lead melting kits and toy molds were given to kids to learn how foundries work.
Your parents grew up in a world full of lead objects and most of them never contracted lead poisoning. Don't you think this hysteria over a little lead paint is going overboard. I'm not saying to ignore it, I am saying that the hype is much more dangerous than the fact there is lead in the toys. Just like there is much more hype than danger in alGores global warming pharse.

I am concerned about the moral corruption that the near left is promoting in the entertainment industry. Acceptability /promotion of unwed pregnancies, public drunkenness, drug use, public nudity, vile language, promotion of multiple sex partners, promotion of incest, these deviancies cannot help but adversely influence the teens, preteens and even the young adults/adults who refuse to grow up and accept the responsibilities of adulthood.


Lead in toys and paint is a moot issue

Lead in toys and paint is a moot issue. How many of you are aware that in the 50's and 60's many of the water pipes that were installed for public water service were either lead or lead jointed. All of the copper plumbing was lead soldered. Nearly all of the quality aint had lead in it. Red lead was used as a primer for nearly all metal. As far back as the revolutionary war Toys were cast out of lead. Lead melting kits and toy molds were given to kids to learn how foundries work.
Your parents grew up in a world full of lead objects and most of them never contracted lead poisoning. Don't you think this hysteria over a little lead paint is going overboard. I'm not saying to ignore it, I am saying that the hype is much more dangerous than the fact there is lead in the toys.

I am concerned about the moral corruption that the near left is promoting in the entertainment industry. Acceptability /promotion of unwed pregnancies, public drunkenness, drug use, public nudity, vile language, promotion of multiple sex partners, promotion of incest, these deviancies cannot help but adversely influence the teens, preteens and even the young adults/adults who refuse to grow up and accept the responsibilities of adulthood.



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Tylenol and Katrina
Bobby writes:

lilly
See what elki.mike said.

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Bobby,
Thanks. In my time there are two wonderful case studies on the topic of safety; one is a government story -- Katrina; the other is a story of greed -- Tylenol.

We all know Katrina, but to recap. The Corps of Engineers, which is a government operation funded by taxpayers and with the most altruistic of motives, built levees to protect New Orleans from all sorts of natural disasters. As we know the levees failed during Katrina. The finger pointing began, continues to this day, and the problems are still not fixed.

A number of years ago a few nut jobs in NY poisoned Tylenol capsules and put them on store shelves. Unfortunate customers bought the tainted products and some of them died. As soon as it was known that Tylenol capsules were tainted the company pulled all of them from the shelves everywhere. They did this to ensure -- for whatever reason -- no more customers were harmed. The government didn't ask them to do it; no one knew how widespread it was. They just pulled them. Oh, and Tylenol went from #2 in sales of pain relievers to #1. Good ethics and corporate citizenship are good business.

Government -- fail and fingerpoint; greedy business -- fix problem and make more money. I know where I will put my trust when it comes to fixing problems.

lilly
How many became ill as a result of lead paint on toys? Really, I don't know. I do know that over the years food born illness in America has dropped. Not as a result of government action but as a result of business action. Our food supply is incredibly safe because business knows it is incredibly expensive to sell tainted food.

Is the world perfect? Isn't and never will be. The best protection from tainted products is information and a market place that is capable of punishing wrondoing. As it works now when a company becomes aware of a tainted product, usually through their own testing, they quickly institute a recall and warn consumers of the problem.

What will happen if they don't? Consumers are injured, massive lawsuits are filed, the company loses millions if not billions in lost business and settlements. The evening news can wipe out an entire industry. Spending money to ensure a safe product is less expensive. The Chinese are learning that.

GyroTyro
wee hed led watr pips it ded nut butter me

tru lib
its twue led in the pint makes mor tasti

LEAD HYSTERIA

.....Gyro Tyro ....

.....I was raised in the forties and fifties ...

.....solid lead pipes brought water into the house I grew up in ...all paint was leaded ...many toys were made out of lead ...gasoline was leaded ...and yet my parents lived into their nineties and I am a perfect specimen of good health ...

.....This current lead craze and hysteria is an old Liberal tactic ...1. create a problem ...2. incite panic ...3. Step in with a solution ...

.....Usually the solution means more government control and regulation ...this is the same pattern we see with the Global Warming hoax .....COLOSSUS

BOBBY
Your name and your post, operate on so many different levels, until they represent a "CIRCLE".You will understand my point,eventually.I HOPE!

wildwest
chaijin naim tu twue led

Parallel
The right wing and the left wing of Control Freaks Unanimous have a lot in common. They both believe that this is a democracy and not a constitutional republic (government monopoly schools?). Most of their members do not even know the difference between those two forms of government (government monopoly schools?) Both wings believe that their brand of a huge invasive government is the best answer to all problems (now called crises to invoke the "best of all solutions"). Both wings point out the deficiencies in the other, but both fail to suggest that we return to the form of government our founders mandated in Article 4, Section 4 of our not-a-living-document Constitution. http://www.poorgrandchildren.com

GyroTyro
Not only was there lead paint everywhere, when I was in school, we did a geography lesson by making an enormous relief map out of ASBESTOS CLAY!!! It was cheap and lightweight, and a little like working with paper mache pulp.

So far, no health problems even though I had it all over me.

Breaking Thermometers
Mountain Rose writes:

GyroTyro
Not only was there lead paint everywhere, when I was in school, we did a geography lesson by making an enormous relief map out of ASBESTOS CLAY!!! It was cheap and lightweig

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We used to break thermometers so that we could play with the mercury. Now it is a bit different.

I have a friend who bought a condo in VA. While moving the sofa into his condo the movers hit the thermostat, which had a mercury switch, broke it, and mercury was spilled on his hardwood floor. By regulation, I suppose, the movers were required to call HazMat. They arrived and after a time condemned his home as they were unable to clean the mercury from the hardwood floor. Once it was condemned the bank was notified and demanded payment in full, immediately. The entire thing is still a legal mess.


The Danger China Poses
It used to be said, "What's good for General Motors is good for America." Today that is not necessarily true as "import" brands sometimes have more North American content than so-called domestics.

The simple fact is that the Bush Asministration (and the Clinton Administration before it) has gone out of its way to grant spoecial advantages to companies that import products (lack of safety inspections, etc.). The CEO of Mattel is interested in two things (overall profit and his compensation, which is affected by overall profit). He isn't going to lose sleep over safety issues unless they impact his income. And, as head on an international corporation,he certainly doesn't care what's best for the United States.

Our friends (the Chinese Communists) are building lots of neat stuff with the profits they are making - missles, military aircraft, submarines, etc.). They have enough of our debt to destroy our economy, but that doesn't seem to bother so-called "free traders" whose only goal is to buy it cheap at Mao-Mart.

Big government
Contrary to one post, the continued existence of our big government is not inevitable. All we have to do is to force the Supremes to protect and defend our Constitution with a higher priority than they generally protect and defend the erroneous opinions of dead judges (precedents). When I studied Constitutional Law a hundred years ago, the professor covered opinions in a lot of cases and never compared them to sections of the Constitution. That is probably still the case. http://www.poorgrandchildren.com

elko.mike
We used to play with Mercury from thermometers too- very cool! Half liquid, half solid, rolling around in the palm of your hand.

No Mercury poisoning at my school that I know of, in spite of the fact we all held it.

bc3
I am confused on the threat of our owing the Chinese a lot of money. You are apparently worried that as Chinese 'have enough of our debt to destroy our economy' they would in fact do that. How does that work?

Chinese Imports
In spite of the fact that I think the Lefties are hysterical over safety issues, I have a problem with China going around our safety standards.

But my objections are not related directly to the safety issues but to the issue of American employment.

It is not fair that American manufacturers have had to compete against the lax standards that the Chinese corporations operate under.

Not only have they been using the cheapest possible materials and methods, thinking that they can slip them past the stupid, soft, weak, passive, capitalist pigs (translation: American public), but the safety and environmental standards would make OSHA and the EPA have apoplexy!

We need to hold Chinese manufacturers to the same high standards as our guys are held to, or we have to reduce the standards here so our guys can once again compete.

The fact that the Left continues to demonize America first lets me know that they are not serious about helping the American worker.

poorgrandchildren.com
"All we have to do is to force the Supremes to protect and defend our Constitution..."
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Of course, the only way to do that is to elect a President that will appoint good judges, and a congress that will ratify the best ones.

That is why the coming election is the critical one. We have a bunch of elderly "Supremes" that are getting ready to either kick or book.

I wish that candidates would publish lists of judges that they would appoint if they were President, so we could research them.

Which comes to the problem that when judges are up for re-election, it is difficult to find out what their record is relative to the law.

true lib
the only lead I am interested in in the lead content in my "pencil"

Mountain Rose
'Helping' the American worker is really dangerous. Generally what occurs is laws are passed to do a variety of things such as 'level the playing field'. What ends up being passed are rules to protect a particular industry or segment of the economy from competition. The protection allows that industry to remain uncompetitive and passes the cost on to American consumers.

Reagan was asked by Detroit for protection from the Japanese automakers. He said the best protection was to build better cars. They were slow to take him up on that advice and while they dithered all the foreign automakers opened plants in America. Lots of jobs have been created, better cars are being built at competitive prices and the American consumer is better off.

Competition forces companies to do a better job. There are a lot of Chinamen out of work right now because they didn't do a good job.

NATIONAL DEFENSE IS A SIDELINE
The DEMS want a risk-free society, and to do so, it's going to take an omnipresent federal government, that is their 60's era utopian dream and they won't quit. It's almost as silly as the Libertarian dream of a totally free enterprize world. But since the Libertarians believe in leaving you alone, their dreamy efforts towards that aren't destructive--kind of like the whole Ron Paul exercise, just a silly but harmless waste of time.

Did you ever watch Bill Clinton when he was working on defense matters? I could swear there was always a look on his face like when he was back in school hoping that the teacher wouldn't discover that his report was copied. They haven't take national defense seriously since John Kennedy.

wildwest
No problem there for me since I got 'Mr. Splint'. Totally non toxic and no nasty side effects like falling over dead. Only problem is when you have to pull the tape off. Kind of like a bikini wax. Not that I've ever had one.

TruLib
I'm afraid you're right, and bc3 has it backwards. China holds enough of our debt to damage CHINA's economy -- if China should try to change the terms by which the system operates.

This whole thing is such a silly argument. It's not like safe toys and the terror war are mutually exclusive concerns. Hill doesn't help by writing this column as he has, but even he isn't actually saying that we have to choose between one or the other. He's saying that the parties prioritize the concerns differently.

He's right.

We can not win the
the global war on terror unless we turn the world into a plice state.
The amount of lead in our toys is very small. Our Children would have to essentially eat there toys for years to begin to have the effects.
Both are media driven hysterics.

Safety and Fair Trade
Mountain Rose writes:

Chinese Imports
In spite of the fact that I think the Lefties are hysterical over safety issues, I have a problem with China going around our safety standards.

But my objections are not related directly to the safety issues but to the issue of American employment.

It is not fair that American manufacturers have had to compete against the lax standards that the Chinese corporations operate under.

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Tough issues: I forgot who said it, but I heard it said (as I recall), "In a global economy if you have a 3rd world eduction, then you will make a 3rd world wage." That's a fair warning and it doesn't seem to me (nor TruLib) that protectionism is the solution. Rather educating Americans to compete in the new world is the answer and in that the nation is failing miserably. All of us are failing.

As the world transitions to the global economy there will be displacement. It will happen, period. For instance, where did the buggy whip makers go when the automobile came on the scene. It will happen; it can't be stopped. As a nation we need to prepare to solve the problems.

What to do about China and so forth? Here's a thought for comment. It seems to me while thinking about this thread that the real issue is transparency. If there were enough transparency in the system then the products will be safer. China isn't very transparent as we know, and that the genesis of the problem we are discussing. There are plenty of watchdog groups willing to distribute and analyze the information if they have it. There is the wonderful web technology to make their efforts available. Putting it all together, I wonder if government should limit itself to ensuring transparency and prosecuting the criminals. That is, we need to create a new partnership between government, business, and watch dog groups that is based upon web technology.

elko.mike
Excellent point on education. Failure in both technical training and in educating the populace to the benefits of increased competition. Too many in America are afraid of competition. Were they better prepared they would be taking advantage of it.

GWOT & Police State
_SeekerOfTruth_ writes:

We can not win the
the global war on terror unless we turn the world into a plice state.

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This is IMHO a very tough and misunderstood challenge. I speculate that UBL and others like him view terrorism as an economic tool. That's what makes the nexus of terror and toys so interesting. Both are economic issues. Take a look at http://www.bepress.com/gej/vol6/iss2/2/ for more details.

Notionally terrorists cause harm by negatively leveraging their economic efforts. Long-winded statement that they spend a dollar to do $10,000 worth of damage. Look at 9/11 through this prism. The terrorist spend a few million tops and caused billions in economic damage. I'm not talking about the war; but the building, the recovery, the human suffering, the time spent in airport security lines, and so forth. Globally the world is spending enormous sums and the terrorists are spending very little. I think it perhaps means, at least for the moment, that the terrorists are winning.

This concept of an economic-military war is a good justification for continuing on in Iraq. To simply leave as some suggest would mean America has spent half-a-trillion dollars for no return. Obviously that's a huge win for UBL. What would happen next? Well he would have access to a serious pile of cash with which to continue to create even greater harm. In addition, as recent evidence shows, our troops are getting better at fighting them. So in a perverse way Iraq is providing a good training ground for fighting this new type of war.

But, I would suggest, this is all in the margins. Our "leaders" of both stripes need to sit down together and figure out how to deal with terrorism without compromise of our liberty. We are in a new place; we face a very real threat; and we need leaders who understand this. I suggest it is childish and irresponsible of them all to tear each other down while we face such a threat.

Talk is cheap
'08 presidential election will be cheapest election ever.
Anyone who believes your healthcare will improve when the Fed's take control are in for a rude awakening.
Anyone that thinks the Gov't can cure poverty will see bigger chunks of their paychecks disappear until you're on poverty row.
Anyone who believes Gov't can solve all of life's problems, I've got an idea for you, take responsibility for your own actions.

Yes, and ...
TruLib writes:

elko.mike
Excellent point on education. Failure in both technical training and in educating the populace to the benefits of increased competition. Too many in America are afraid of competition. Were they better prepared they would be taking advantage of it.

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Exactly. Let's go on from here. Competing is about innovation and effort. That's it. The private sector are the ones who do that. Like it or not, that's a fact. Government's role is to train people so that they are prepared to innovate and contribute. Families are supposed to prepare them to work hard and be honest.

What happens with the welfare state (not socialist but as in America's nanny state). Government takes money from the productive part of society and gives it to the unproductive part of society. As the evidence clearly shows this destroys the family and so we have generations of people who are unprepared to work hard. Further the government is not fulfilling its role to train the people to be effective in the market place. Hence the nanny state is failing to prepare this nation for the emerging global competition.

But wait, there's more. When government takes the money from those who are productive there is less money for innovation. This means that business in high tax countries will not do as well as business in low tax countries. What happens next? Businesses that need to innovate will go to low tax countries. What's left in the high tax countries will be low-wage, low-value jobs. They are jobs but not the kind of jobs to make a vibrant, growing, and prosperous country.

I thus suggest that the liberals stubborn defense of Teacher's Unions, instinct for protectionism, and high tax mentality are deadly for America in the global economy.


I Mispoke
Because of the trade imbalance, China owns a lot of our money, which puts them in a position where they can play games with our economy (and build cool missles too).

We have been buying a lot of junk from China. They recently performed crash tests on a Chinese car and reported the entire vehicle was a "crumple zone."

I agree that the WOT and trade with China (and sometimes dangerous goods) are not mutually exclusive.

TrueLib writes:
You better have a really strong door and a shotgun. The world is and will always be filled with wolves. Pretending they are Pomeranians will not save your butt.

It is indeed a sad state of affairs when such a simple and true statement out weighs anything these buffoons like wobbie and others here scribble. Keep hiding your heads you dopes, you are showing your better halves.

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.html
Free Ramos and Compean
If we can’t have HOME SECURITY first, the rest just won’t matter!
http://fred08.com/
http://vets4fred.net/
NO MORE HOLDING OUR NOSE AND PULLING THAT LEVER!!
VOTE FOR A REAL REPUBLICAN!! NO MORE RINO’s!!!

Security yes, liberty no?
It's a pity how both parties' candidates (except one) are both takling only about security, not freedom, and have forgotten Franklin's adage "Those who trade liberty for security deserve neither.") Democrats want to protect us against unsafe toys by regulating the economy and resticting consumer choice. Republicans want to protect us from terrorism by declaring unending "global war" against an amorphous "terror" threat, uncaring about the cost to freedom and Constitutional rule at home...and also oblivious to the possibility thatif we exhaust our military and economic resources thrashing wildly around the globe searching for terrorists, we will eventually be left helpless against more substantive external threats to our freedom and national survival.

WRH Bill
SO we wait for them to come here and start the battle? Of course we would be busy defending the citizens then. How do think that will work out for us?
How sad after only 4-6 years, people seem to forget the bodies falling from the towers, the 3k in general it seems. I just wish all of you would remember who started it.

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.html
Free Ramos and Compean
If we can’t have HOME SECURITY first, the rest just won’t matter!
http://fred08.com/
http://vets4fred.net/
NO MORE HOLDING OUR NOSE AND PULLING THAT LEVER!!
VOTE FOR A REAL REPUBLICAN!! NO MORE RINO’s!!!

ummm do all TH columnists not bother to
do research before they report?

Just had the same problem with Burt Prelutsky on his Oprah column:
not taking the time to, what, google? Taking one to two minutes to
find what people believe according to them.

So here is Obama's speech on terror:
http://www.barackobama.com/2007/08/01/remarks_of_senator_ob ama_the_w_1.php

Of course, dangerous toys is a legit bully pulpit issue

Lead in our toys!
Alar on our apples!! Y2K!! The Ice Age cometh!! Globull warming!! Secondhand smoke!! Mercury in our thermometers!! Lead in the paint!! Asbestos in our insulation!! Eggs are bad for you! Butter and other fats will give you a heart attack!! Caffeine in coffee!! Run for the hills-but wait, run in a hybrid!

Boy, the Left never stops shouting about how we're all about to die, do they? :/

I'm more concerned that the terrorists would try another 9/11 or Bhutto-type assassination of one of our leaders than I would ever be about a given food or toy product being absolutely toxic to whomever uses it.

LILLY

.....Thanx for informing me that greedy business sells tainted food because they don't care if they kill people ...I assume they eat imported food or hire food tasters as did the Kings of Europe ...

.....BTW ...did you know that E-coli is organic? .....COLOSSUS

everyonesfacts
So you think it's a good idea to pull out of Iraq and put forces into Pakistan? If that is what you think please explain how you would go about it and the political ramifications of such acts, both for Iraq and Pakistan.

baseballdoc
I buy nothing but free range e-coli. Can't stand seeing the little critters penned up.

alive in him
So, all scientists and researchers, except for those at the Tobacco Inst
I assume, are libs?

And you don't care if the food you eat is safe?
I doubt it.

And I assume you do not have or know an infant under the age of 2
who have a tendency to put things, all things in their mouths to not be
concerned with lead in toys.

Let me lay something on you, one can be concerned with what is in
food, and what is on toys and still be concerned with terrorism.
They all effect our safety and happiness.

everyonesfacts
Its a matter of priorities and the efficiency of various modes of amelioration. Nobody here wants to make babies ingest lead on painted toys.

to truelib from barack's speech:
"There must be no safe-haven for terrorists who threaten America. We cannot fail to act because action is hard.

As President, I would make the hundreds of millions of dollars in U.S. military aid to Pakistan conditional, and I would make our conditions clear: Pakistan must make substantial progress in closing down the training camps, evicting foreign fighters, and preventing the Taliban from using Pakistan as a staging area for attacks in Afghanistan.

I understand that President Musharraf has his own challenges. But let me make this clear. There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al Qaeda leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will.

And Pakistan needs more than F-16s to combat extremism. As the Pakistani government increases investment in secular education to counter radical madrasas, my Administration will increase America's commitment. We must help Pakistan invest in the provinces along the Afghan border, so that the extremists' program of hate is met with one of hope. And we must not turn a blind eye to elections that are neither free nor fair -- our goal is not simply an ally in Pakistan, it is a democratic ally."

http://www.barackobama.com/2007/08/01/remarks_of_senator_ob ama_the_w_1.php

fwiw, he wants to move troops to Afghanistan and attack Al-Qaeda in
Pakistan if their leadership won't. I see this as good policy.

true lib
in the absense of e coli, botulism is a favorite substitute. But to honor our southern invaders montezuma's revenge is also a current favorite

for lilly
Lilly writes: "I am keeping house now for 55 years. Never, never in my entire life until the laissiz-business-faire days of Bush II have I had to worry, in the United States of America, that our food supply was unsafe."

Never???

During the Cold War, there was a big scare about strontium-90 and cesium-137 in cow's milk, due to fallout from atomic bomb testing.

It was as far back as 1970 that significant levels of methylmercury were found in tuna fish and swordfish, from air pollution settling into the water from factories. In 1977, the then new FDA took action to regulate mercury content of fish. But it's remained a problem for pregnant women ever since.

And there was the big poisoned cranberry scare of 1959; the botulism scare in 1971 when a man died from eating tainted canned Vichyssoise, etc.

Lilly, your memory of past food safety scares is faulty. These are just some of the ones that made the headlines over the years.

savage 99
so why can't we do both have standards on lead in toys and fight the
war on al-qaeda?

by priorities I hope noone means that we have to defeat al-qaeda before
doing anything else. This is not a checklist where you can't do one thing
until the higher priority item is completely finished. Is it?

for elko.mike
elko.mike claims: "What is different is how government approaches the problem versus industry. TruLip has it right, businesses will fix the problem because they are greedy, not altruistic."

In the 19th century, business did NOT "fix the problem." Rather, they sold quack cures and nostrums of every description, including radioactive radium to be eaten to cure you of various ailments; cough syrups laced with addictive opium (many middle-class folks got hooked that way); tainted meat; and many other such things. The original formula for Coca-Cola contained cocaine.

Even today, the largely unregulated health food/dietary supplement industry has NOT fixed its own problems. Colloidal silver, which has been known to be toxic for 100 years, continues to be sold over the counter. Ephedra, which can lead to heart seizures and death, was also sold until the FDA seized it. Not only didn't the industry stop selling these products, they refused to even put a warning label on the packages to warn consumers of possible toxicity and side effects.

What progress has been made was made by the passage of the Pure Food and Drug Act of 1906, which was signed into law by the REPUBLICAN president, Teddy Roosevelt.

And Coca-Cola didn't stop putting cocaine in their soft drinks until the Federal Government threatened to ban Coca-Cola altogether.

SteveL: We May Almost Agree
SteveL writes:
Sunday, December, 30, 2007 4:18 PM
for elko.mike
elko.mike claims:

In the 19th century, business did NOT "fix the problem."

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Excellent questions.

While posting "Safety & Free Trade" Sunday, December, 30, 2007 12:56 PM, I thought about the time component, which is an element of your point. There I suggested that the solution to product safety was transparency. This relies upon a couple of things -- one the consumer is intelligent enough to make an informed choice and two information is flowing freely (e.g. transparency). Even if some consumers don’t make good choices it is not clear the rest of us ought to suffer because of their foolishness. I'm thinking of transparency broadly but in general it means that business, government and consumers all have a free flowing information channel to make their complaints and grievances known to all. This has begun on the web with watchdog groups.

In the 19th Century it seems to me that the only practical means of promoting transparency was the government. It was an essential and valuable service government of the time provided.

In my referenced post I invited comment on the transparency idea, but let's assume it for now. With that assumption I question whether we have the right balance of government, business, and citizens to keep goods and services as safe as they could be. I'm wondering, for goods like toys, as to whether government in this new age can use technology and concerned citizens to do a better job of keeping us safe. This modern approach to the problem of safe goods simply was not available in the 19th Century.

Thus, although it is my instinct to do so, I am not advocating that we dismantle government mechanisms and allow businesses to do as they will. Rather, I’m suggesting that we consider new roles for government, business, and citizens so that we have the safe products we all want.

The Urgent Issues
Austin,
Absolutely correct........but to distill the problem: we actually have maybe 3 VITAL issues. 1) The economy.....how to keep it growing and successful in the world of competition.......and the answer, as usual is based on lower tax rates. Here the Dems fail. 2) The importance of defeating the Jihadists in their global war against democracies. We're winning in Iraq, they're winning in Lebanon, and they're turning more attention to Pakistan. It's as simple, AND DIFFICULT, as that. They want to create anarchy in Pakistan. Here again, the Dems don't even understand the problem! And 3) The immigration problem.......and here again, the Dems have the wrong answers (the Repubs certainly aren't perfect though!).
The Mainstream Media knows the Dems have losing anwers, or no answers, to those VITAL problems.......therefore, they do what they do best.....they obfuscate and tip-toe around those most important issues. Unfortunately, the voters, IN GENERAL, aren't smart enough to separate the wheat from the chaffe, and that's why the Dems have such a good chance of winning the White House. How pathetic our left-wing media is. Thank God for the internet and talk-radio! -SteveB

everyonesfacts
Just what are you trying to do? Have me come out against Motherhood, healthy babies and apple pie? Your question asking me about a one at a time check list is a fatuous straw man not worth answering. As to your first question, can't we have both lead paint standards and the WOAQ, the simple answer is yes, but. The but comes in when we extend the question to why can't we have both lead paint standards and minimum wage standards and no child left behind and universal perfect health care and no teens dying by drug overdoses or getting killed in car wrecks. Going no further into operational philosophies, i maintain there is only so much time, blood and treasure available, and priorities and compromises are inevitable. Here judgement comes in, and judgement brings up morality and value systems. We can chew on these for the rest of our life, but you are going to have to come up with some more complex and specific arguments than Rodney King's answer to racial violence.

What Was the Question
Savage99 writes in response to everyonesfacts:
Sunday, December, 30, 2007 5:25 PM

Just what are you trying to do? Have me come out against Motherhood, healthy babies and apple pie? Your question asking me about a one at a time check list is a fatuous straw man not worth answering.

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Exactly. The solution to every problem is NOT more government. It may be the solution to SOME problems, but not all. It is easy to say, just let the government fix it. Yeah, right. Are we talking about the same government that let a bridge collapse in Minneapolis? The same one that let a panel fall and kill a woman in Boston? The same one that let the Chinese send us toys with lead paint?

How about a few more questions on the lead paint issue before we decide to start a new government program? How bad is the problem? What is its cost to society? What will it cost us to fix it with a government solution? Are there alternative solutions, such as lawsuits or consumer revolt? etc.? This is called analysis and one would think our leaders can handle it. They perhaps can, but for trying to do too much.

It seems to me that a more limited government, which we see as good, doesn't mean necessarily bad government. It just means that government sticks to its knitting and does what it is supposed to do well. Part of doing it well is not to implement a big solution when none is needed.

everyonesfacts
Apparently both you and Obama have no idea of the complexities of operations in Pakistan's mountain regions or the fallout from the U.S. putting a lot of boots or bombs into that area. Musharraf may be on the verge of loosing control of that country. All it would take is a little push for the entire country to collapse into civil war and you want to invade. Compared to the 'mistake' Bush made going into Iraq what Obama is advocating for Pakistan is blitheringly stupid.

The Corps of Engineers and the levees
Just a tidbit of information concerning any discussion of the levee failures in New Orleans: although we taxpayers funded the project, the Levee Board allocated the tax money and only that portion which the board wished to leave for the Corps (after pork barrel/tourism, etc.) was available to build and maintain the levees. An example of Louisiana corruption - gambling was illegal under the state constitution, so the powers that be renamed it "gaming" and instant "gaming" facilities became money makers for the state, which is generally acknowledged as the most corrupt in the nation.

Lady Tiger
I hope your comments are not in any way meant to absolve George Bush of responsibility for everything that has ever gone wrong in Louisiana, America, the World, or this quadrant of the galaxy. That kinda talk doesn't fly around here. You can't fool us. We know who the dumbest evil genius to ever steal the presidency is.

Austin Hill and lead in toys
Dear Austin,it's all tied together...dangerous
toys from China(that should be safe AND made here in the USA)and American companies making lots of money
using sweatshop tactics(and pay scales)to have
China produce unsafe toys and cub scout badges
(no kidding,just check)More,"let them eat cake"
attitudes from the money-set...and the middle class is on their way to where the parasites of
the business world want us...poor.So that we have the rich and the folks who serve them(that
is the present middle class who are struggling)
Jobs here?Enough folks to inspect what comes into our country?NAH...those annoying middle class rank and file folks cause so much trouble!
Importing unsafe toys for our children(and unsafe cub scout badges for sweet faced little kids who earned them with pride) is NOT important...right?For shame,Mr.Hill,for shame.
How hard did you have to reach to actually turn that silliness into an article?Could terrorists
make toys even more unsafe on purpose?"Whatever"...
right?Roll your eyes and look tolerant,it goes with "whatever"!Which translates to,"Who cares?"
which equals,"Not me!" as a labeled conservative
you only care about what matters,God,country and
patriotism to the enth degree(and money!)to heck with the
little kids...to the bank with the smiling execs!
Wow,what a shame for our country and what a stretch for an article,you can do better,Austin!!!

Truelib
I believe I have a more than average knowledge of Pakistan and the
complexities of the area. I did know the name of the General of Pakistan
in 1999/2000 (?) unlike our current President. And read the USIP's
briefs and have taken 3 courses on modern Islam. As well as attended
several weekend seminars on Islam and 9-11, including some by right
wing think tanks. I don't know it all at the same time I am not ignorant
of the situation in the Middle East and other Islamic areas, including
Pakistan.

Anyways,
I agree with you that the situation is complex, but the thing that is not
complex is that there are people in Pakistan that want to kill us -
Al-Qaeda - and we should kill them before they kill us.

Again, reread the speech. Invasion is an option, but not the first
option. When and if we get good intelligence we should fire (not invade)
first and ask questions later. Killing members of Al-Qaeda is not
blitheringly stupid, not doing so is. Putting Iraq ahead of the
annihilation of Al-Qaeda is a mistake in priorities (an old axe, but one
that still cuts)

I also agree with Barack's philosophy of talking with rulers (legit or
otherwise) of countries that are not allies - Iran, etc.
I don't want to do this, but we don't get to pick and choose who runs
other countries, all we can do is try to influence them.

true lib
exactly how do you rate the genius of all dull and his co-conspirators at the un who are using the globull warming scam to wreak havoc on the world's economy. Now that globull warming has achieved an almost religious crusade and there are worldwide acolytes singing the praises of their new messiah, all dull, is it possible for him to achieve sainthood without first having to follow the route of previous saints and needed to die firtst? Is st al an appropriate title or is it how he answers questions when questioned about the snake oil he is peddling?

savage 99
I disagree with your idea that government can't do all those things.

Obviously it can and does thousands of other things too. How well is
up to debate. Not pertinent to this article. Priorities are and I think
that Hill's suggestion that ANY candidate Dem or Repub is, in general,
paying more attention to lead in toys to than the war on terror is silly.

Hill's mistaken beliefs on Dems+for. pol
"To the extent that Democrats talk about international or militaristic threats, those all seem to be home grown as well - - it’s a dangerous world because President Bush has made it dangerous and has damaged our global reputation, but when he’s gone and America embraces a “humble foreign policy,“ the world will like us again and, presumably, the dangers will go away."

I think this is deliberately disingenuous and wrong.
I don't know of any Dem that thinks that Bush made the world dangerous
but it might be accurate to say most believe he has made us less safe
by invading Iraq.
Other than Gravel, I think all the Dems are for a more vigorous hands-on
and work with other countries approach rather than a more unilateral
approach as espoused by the Bush administration.
And yes they do believe by doing this more in the world will like us, but
none are simple minded enough to believe by doing so dangers will
go away.

I think Hill could have been fair and accurate and still slammed these
beliefs as Truelib I think is on Obama and Pakistan rather than making
up things that are mistaken or not researched - just watch the debates
for crying out loud.

everyonesfacts
Thank you for gentlemanly(womanly?) expression of opinions to which you are entitled.

lastly on toys and topical issues
The candidates do have to address anything that comes up - Bhutto,
toys, etc. And hopefully they address it in a way that makes sense.
If possible when applicable they should also address what they would
do on the topic - toys, unrest in Pakistan.
I think what Obama was proposing would gain all candidates approval,
except maybe Ron Paul's:
http://www.globegazette.com/articles/2007/ 12/23/latest_news/doc476ed7cfb86b9107852693.txt

You know - increase testing before they reach the customer, increase
fines for rule breakers, work WITH China. This isn't rocket science.
These all exist already he is just for improving (?) the laws and treaties.

For Trulib
It should not surprise you that Obama says we should never have invaded Iraq but should invade Pakistan. He is a lib. Libs hate America. So it makes sense that they would want to leave an enemy (Saddam) alone and attck a friend (Pakistan).

savage 99
gentlemanly, thank you very much. And same to you.

Although imho I could use an editor. Some times it's easier to see
extra or missing words, typos, etc. on posts only after they're posted.

wiseone
Read the speech linked above.

Obama has no plans to attack Pakistan.
He has plans to destroy Al-Qaeda wherever they are.
Right now, as far as we know, they are headquartered in Pakistan.
Attacking Al-Qaeda in a part of Pakistan, not under control of the state
is not the same as trying to take over the capital which he would have
no plans to do.
Imho and Barack's Al-Qaeda has been a bigger threat to the U.S. than
was Saddam.
If I had a choice, and I don't, I would rather have Al-Qaeda destroyed and
Saddam alive rather than the situation we are in now.

Would have been cheaper too, imho.

A Sad State of Affairs
When the common thread in all political campaigns is, "I am not as corrupt or stupid as my opponent." I gotta go throw up.

To ElkoMike
You suggest that it's up to the consumer to make wise choices. 1) How many consumers are trained chemists with laboratories where they can analyze products for their level of toxic chemicals? 2) If they are chemists and if they have the labs, how are they going to analyze a product BEFORE deciding to buy or refuse it?

For many decades now, American consumers have trusted the market not to sell them dangerous products---because government regulation has kept consumers safe. Before regulation was in place, we were as bad as China. Without regulation, we will be again (and we are already getting there). Townhall has taught me that the only social responsibility business has is to make money, and you folks don't want government regulation, so who is going to protect the public? The average man in the street, Consumer X, is not equipped to assay products. The alternative is for business to sell anything it wants and if the product sickens or kills a few people before the rest catch on and refuse the product, well then, that's just the cost of doing business---we shouldn't get upset about consumer products killing people because people aren't as important as profit. Is that your position?

TruLib
This isn't just about toys. It's about fish grown in water contaminated with toxic waste, then pumped full of drugs just to keep the fish alive in such water (my local supermarket sells frozen shellfish and finfish farmed on those Chinese aquafarms). It's about produce grown in Chinese fields irrigated by the same filthy water (my local supermarket sells frozen berries grown in those fields). Stores in Central and South America sold Chinese toothpaste and cough medicine containing toxic substances deliberately used because they were cheaper than the ingredients that should have been used: children died.

And it's not just about China, either. Under Reagan a move began to take regulatory power away from the Food and Drug Administration and let the pharmaceutical industry police and regulate itself. Now, in Big Pharma's rush to get a drug to market so the money can begin rolling in, we have had an unprecedented number of drug recalls---because large numbers of patients have been harmed or killed by drugs that FDA scientists would never have allowed on the market. A parallel situation can be seen in food supplements, which conservatives insisted must not be regulated. Now we have had some of them removed from market---but only after they have harmed and killed people.

Business cannot adequately regulate itself.

elko.mike
Oddly enough, I just wrote something akin to what you are saying. (see my blog, 1st item)

My analogy is someone who owns a shotgun and thinks he can use it to fix flat tires, clogged sinks, and cold soup.

Yes, a shotgun is a good tool for some purposes, but it can't fix every problem.

Same for the state. The government is a great tool when sued for the appropriate purposes. We can argue about what the appropriate uses of the state are, but I think we all can agree that the government is not the right tool to fix everything.

Yes, that is precisely what our politicians too often try to do, to use the government to fix whatever problem is the topic du jour. If it is in the public consciousness, politicians will claim the state can fix it.

In the end, they do about as well as someone who tried to shave with a chainsaw, or plan roses using a backhoe. The state is just not the appropriate tool to fix all problems.

lilly
you are truly an idiot. You expect the govt to protect you and every other simple minded dolt from everything in life. Consumers were alerted months ago to the various fgood products imported from china and warnings were issues about buying food stuffs from china. But in your world, the simple must be led by the hand because they are too stupid to pay attention to the world around them. The govt always announces recalss of food items when contamination is reported. But alas you and the others like you even with notice can't be relied on to make smart choices. I guess you are lucky to have a husband who dresses you daily, you sound incapable of doing it on your own

eon
Your post of 8:17 yesterday was exactly the way I view the problem also.
However, just not taking a side in this little political battle can secure a future foothold for the forces of anti-Americanism.
I'm sure you see that, ...are you living abroad and feel no real vested interests in the out come of these elections?,...or are you a foreign national?

At any rate, do you have a possible solution to the dilemma you are also seeing here?

lilly
There are three effects at work as relates to drug approvals. The public is only aware of one effect and that is when a drug has a deleterious side effect and people are injured. The second effect is the number of people that were substantially helped by the drug that would not have been helped by an alternative. Only considering those hurt and not balancing against those helped gives a false picture of the overall benefits of a drug.

The third effect is even further off the radar. A drug that does not come to market can neither help nor harm a person. What are the costs of a drug not coming to market? New drugs are incredibly expensive and represent substantial investments on the part of drug companies. If the drug is not approved no one can be helped. If you are sick and a new drug that could help you is not approved you don't even know it

Government is more interested in protecting it's backside than anything else and wants everything tested to the point they know they won't get in trouble. In the mean time the patient waits and maybe dies because the FDA is afraid you will rake them over the coals because they weren't perfect. The world is not perfect and can't be made so. I think it is reasonable for regulators to find a balance that serves the public to the best degree instead of demanding a level of perfection that may actually harm the public.

The Lunacy Of Lilly
Please don't continue to waste your/our time on Lilly. She is a fossil. Better yet, a mindless myrmidon of leftist lunacy. Ignoring her infantile rants will allow her to find like minded numbskulls elsewhere.

I beg of you.....

Nice try, TruLib
but your efforts are doomed. I admire your marshalling of applicable facts, establishing priorities, referencing your experience as to what has worked in similar situations, balancing the positive and negative outcomes of a course of action, and then making a decision. Most folks on the left do none of these things. Joe/Jane Sixpack, left and right, see a hungry baby and agree "feed the baby". They see an 18 year old with a sign saying Please Help. Joe Left thinks There is a victim of Big business, Jewish Bankers, unfair immigration laws(fill in blank). We need stronger Unions, govt, welfare laws (fill in blank) and he drives by. Jane Right thinks He's either a lazy lout who has messed up a brick, or he's dealing with cruel circumstance that could wipe out anybody and he would benefit from temporary help. My image of myself is a powerful problem solver, so on the chance he will benefit from it, i'll give him a buck.

Savage99
Doomed Efforts -R- Us. It is a good exercise in organizing ones thoughts and you never know, if she actually reads it there may be progress made...........nah.

Re: lilly's post of 12:29
Two quick points, first if your local market is selling contaminated food go to another market. It's not worth the extra 5 minutes to go elsewhere. And guess what happens if enough people make that decision. Your local market will stop selling those products. Or a less harsh and less effective approach would be to not buy the contaminated foods. The problem there, of course, if your local market is snakey enough to purchase and resell contaminated food in the first place they are probably snakey enough to lie about it.

The next point is about the drug industry. And, frankly, Trulib said it better.

lilly is not aware...
The FDA still has the most stringent testing protocols in the world. Dont believe that? Then why is it that you can legally buy many drugs in Europe and elsewhere that have not yet been granted approval here? As for recalls, they are often the results of our out of control tort system.

A drug helps seventy thousand people, four react adversly to the drug and die of renal failure. Here come the chop licking trial lawyers to cut off another big hunk of pie that they might, "help the people". Drug companies have become gun shy, because their products are expected to be perfect every time. Or at least, cause no ill effects in a patient. Nevermind that people die from eating peanuts or strawberries every year. Nevermind that drugs are far more complex. But then, it is my fault for expecting lilly to show some common sense foe once.

bob
the lilly's of the world always want the govt to guarantee that life is 100% safe. But what of reports that for a sizable percentage of those taken various drugs they don't work at all. But worse for libs is that personal responsibility seems to be a foreign concept.. But the trial lawyers are always trolling for alledged victims so they can get in on the lawsuit game. We had one of these parasite lawyers when we lived in sc who got in on two huge class action lawsuits. He was in both the tobacco and the lead paint suits. Really didn't contribute anything other than getting in on the band wagon and he is now wealthier by a couple of billion. But to the edweirds types ambulance chasers aren't special interest groups. But other than raise the cost of everything for all citizens what have these lawyer parasites really accomplished.

A wise teenager
My 15 year old daughter watched that old early 70s Coke commercial not too long ago. You know the one. All the pseudo-hippies singing in harmony ending with "I'd like to give the world a coke and teach it harmony."

Cute commercial, the kid said. Did we have enemies flying airplanes into buildings back then?

She's just old enough to remember the emotions of 9-11, that feeling that the world was no longer a safe place. It hadn't been safe for a long time before that, but it was our wake-up call.

Unfortunately, many who deem themselves "liberal" should perhaps take on the term "idealists". They are under the mistaken impression that if you just smile and make nice you can get people to stop being angry with you. That might work in a perfect world. But in a perfect world there's nobody looking at your wife's uncovered head and thinking "If she doesn't cover it, she deserves to die." That's the world we live in.

I prefer my presidential candidates to have at least as much common sense as my 15 year old daughter. Obama apparently needs to consult with her.

Wildwest
I think it was in the 1950's that FDA scientist Frances Kelsey was the moving spirit in preventing Thalidomide from being marketed in the United States. It was commonly used in Europe for the nausea of early pregnancy, and many American women stationed in Europe (or married to men stationed in Europe during those immediate postwar years) took Thalidomide and gave birth to babies whose arms terminated at the elbow. Maybe you can tell us how personal responsibility would have prevented this tragedy. What stopped it happening in the United States was government regulation against the drug.

No, life will never be completely safe. But do we have to drink typhoid-infected milk and water and eat e-coli infected meat and toxic chemical-contaminated fish in order to be free? That's a high price to pay. Once upon a time Joe Blow could cook up a concoction on his kitchen stove and sell it, claiming it cured any condition he cared to name, with no evidence to back up that claim. Gullible people fell for Joe's sales pitch, took the stuff, and sometimes sickened and died. More often they put off seeking legitimate treatment for a condition that worsened from the wait. Do you want to go back to those days?

Anyone who has traveled in Third World countries knows that life there is not as protected or safe as it is in Western European countries on in the United States. Do you want to live with Third World standards of public health?

You claim that personal responsibility will protect the consumer on the unfettered market. This is like locking a man in a room with a thousand rattlesnakes and expecting personal responsibility to keep him safe.

TruLib
My husband was an officer of the Food and Drug Administration for thirty years so I am in a position to know that the agency's scientists are concerned about much more than "protecting the government's backside". This may be foreign to your way of thinking, but there is such a thing as scientific integrity. No reputable scientist will OK a drug he knows to be harmful or a drug he knows not to be efficacious. Unfortunately, beginning in the Reagan years, when enthusiasm for deregulation began to reach its present manic proportions, political pressure moved the Zeitgeist toward letting pharmaceutical companies regulate themselves to a very considerable degree. The result has been disastrous for the American people and the public health. The business of business is to turn a profit, and business doesn't mind putting the public health at risk for the sake of profit.

To WillyVictor
Perhaps you are not old enough to remember the 1960's, but what you fear has already happened here. John Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, Martin Luther King Jr, and Malcolm X were all political figures, and all were assassinated in the United States. We didn't need Al Quaeda to do it, either.

To Maldain
Frozen shrimp and scallops that I know of, and quite possibly other seafood items, are from China. Frozen raspberries are from China. Their packages are so identified. All these products are being carried by large chain clean glitzy supermarkets in a major American city. I would certainly think that other food products are also coming from China, but those are some that have touched my life. I have brought the matter to the attention of appropriate managers and executives, who probably thought I was nuts and who appear to have done nothing. But I will no longer buy those products. No political statement here: the products scare me. I have read enough accounts of filthy Chinese aquaculture farms and fields irrigated with filthy water to be concerned.

I do know that Trader Joe's has dropped a number of Chinese items, but I haven't noticed anything missing at the big chains. I had one fish manager lie to me and say the item was "US-grown" when the package said C-H-I-N-A right on it.

To bob
I am the messenger here; the expert is sitting on the sofa ten feet from me. "Standard-setting doesn't begin with the Food and Drug Administration, which is charged with enacting standards set by Congress (vd Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act). Some European standards are accepted, while others are not, because our populations are different. Laws in all European countries are not the same. Smaller nations rely on standards set by the US FDA. It is common in Third-World countries for drugs to be available at pharmacies without a doctor's prescription, just on a pharmacist's recommendation. In the US we have historically had a high level of drug control, but the political Right, along with business, now wants to weaken that.

"The FDA does not test drugs, but reviews research data submitted by pharmaceutical companies. For the past 25 years the trend has been to allow companies more leeway in deciding when a drug is ready for market. Standards and requirements have recently been modified in response to demand for a more free market. This is done at risk of the public health."


Lilly -- Once More for Me
Has government regulation kept people safe? I saw thalidomide, which was FDA approved as I recall, mentioned earlier. How did government fail in that case? Consumers have a role to play, too.

How many consumers know how to engineer a car; how many were trained in the design of the internal combustion engine, or structures, or materials, or HVAC? Yet they can be perfectly capable of selecting good cars with the help of watchdog groups, say the Blue Pages or Consumer Reports.

Good grief the list of complicated things people buy without an understanding of what is in them goes on and on. Some like cars and drugs involve our health and well being, but we manage to do it. Government regulation improves safety, but is no guarantee.

I hope you aren't taking the position that because something is complicated that only the government is capable of protecting us from it. Why would you think that? But if you do then explain the bridge collapse in Minneapolis or the failure of the ceiling tile in the Big Dig if government is going to remove all risk.

Stuff happens. The questions are: what is the most cost-effective way to minimize stuff happening? and What is the quickest way to detect and remedy a problem when stuff happens?

I'm merely suggesting that the answer isn't always and only the government. That's why I suggest transparency and then an examination of the role of citizens, government, watchdog groups, and business to do what all of us want done.

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lilly writes:
Monday, December, 31, 2007 12:15 AM
To ElkoMike
You suggest that it's up to the consumer to make wise choices.

For many decades now, American consumers have trusted the market not to sell them dangerous products---because government regulation has kept consumers safe.

To elkoMike
I believe that government regulation has kept us safer than we would have been without it. If you happen to see one of those facsimile old Sears catalogs that are around---for years we had the 1910 around the house---you will see that all kinds of nostrums were advertised by a market not much controlled by regulation---claiming to cure "tuberculosis, cancer, female trouble, low spirits, sciatica, and palsy". Narcotics were freely available (this is mail order we are talking about). The vendor was not required to prove efficacy or safety. Since those years, the vendor is required to provide such evidence, and the benefit goes to the consumer. We now have reasonable assurance that the pills we swallow won't accidentally kill us. Not 100%, but pretty good assurance. And we owe this assurance to regulation. Let loose, Big Pharma hurries products to market (they want their R&D and TV advertising money back). Haven't you seen some mention of bad drugs on the evening news in the past ten years? I have.

Let's take another example of deregulation: the airlines. Adding more seats until we are crammed in like shackled slaves on the floor of a slave ship, discontinuing food service, and adding more and more flights until the air traffic controllers are having heart attacks because airports are so overcommitted that runways are dangerous--all of this has been brought about by a greedy market. You may think the airlines are doing a better job now than forty years ago, but many would disagree with you.

We have a basic disagreement, and it is a political one. You believe that business should rule this nation. I believe that government should. I believe that a nation should be more than a bunch of people trying to make a profit from one another. We are a two-party nation. Can we just agree to disagree? Happy New Year.

Mr. Hill - Don't Cut Off Your Nose...
...to spite your face.

I concede that lead-contaminated toys is not the most perilous threat facing our nation (even if it is part of a scourge borne from bad economic policy). While we may detest the Democrats, let us also not be so blind that we cannot see that some of the issues they raise are of great pertinence.

On the left-side, global warming is an issue that lacks scientific rigor, but we should consider what is most prudent and in our national interest, which would be a move towards hydrogen fuel-cell technology. You cite the right's concern about our dependence on foreign oil, yet the right-wing has not only been skeptical of global warming, but downright dismissive. It's one thing to say "You lack good evidence." It's another to say "Because you lack good evidence I will come to the opposite conclusion." Prudence dictates we err on the side of caution. That doesn't mean we give into the "Sky is Falling" mentality of the left though.

As for health care, yeah, that's a big one. It's an easy thing to say "let the market handle that" sitting from an armchair. It's far harder to say that when you witness your spouse fall into a seizure and violently flail about, and you lack the ability to cure it yourself, and the ability to pay for the insurance which would cover that cure. Healthcare is regarded by the vast majority of people as one of those "essential" items. While the Democrats may not provide an attractive solution, at least they talk about it. Nevertheless, there are alternatives we could offer.

Mr. Hill - On Healthcare
I think the biggest problem we on the right-wing have when it comes to healthcare is addressing the major problem of asymmetric information and institutional attempts at restricting the supply-side of the market.

Think about it. Medical schools maintain tight control over the number of doctors which can be admitted since they have a collusive interest to do so, so that they may offer doctors a high salary and have students pay ridiculous prices to attend such schools.

Concurrently, the market faces a problem of asymmetric information. The doctor knows more than the patient does, and can thus easily exploit the patient based on whatever the doctor decides to advise, in which the doctor has an incentive to push the most expensive procedure possible. Since the doctor is an authority-figure, the patient is easily fooled. After all, we would not regard the McDonald's kid flipping burgers as some great authority about a product essential to us. Doctors possess this unfair advantage in the market.

Adding further difficulty is that when was the last time you could go to the doctor's office and request a pamphlet of the practice's out-of-pocket charges for a service? They never provide you with costs until after service. This makes once again for a case of imperfect information in the market. Since you don't know what the procedure involves, nor the cost, you merely know you want the problem cured but don't know about each potential procedure that could do this, their likelihood of effectiveness, etceteras, you can't make a good decision, nor are you likely to given your lack of expertise and your inclination to overcompensate when it comes to literally your own welfare.

We should be insisting that every medical practice provide a pamphlet of their services and a schedule of associated charges that conforms to the Current Procedural Terminology codes published by the American Medical Association to address this.

Mr. Hill - On the Death Tax
The Republican Party looks plain stupid every time it gets up and complains to high-heaven about the inheritance tax. The inheritance tax (also known as the death tax) taxes 99% of all wealth inherited after death in excess of $1,000,000. Usually this isn't a problem since most folks don't inherit such large sums of money. The only time this is ever problematic is when someone inherits an estate of slightly more than that amount of say $1,500,000 in non-liquid assets (such as a family farm), and one cannot cough up the necessary $495,000 to pay the tax.

These cases are rare, though. Rather than attempt to eliminate the death tax, we'd be better served by producing a smoother schedule for the death tax. Other taxes though, such as the payroll tax, are far more deserving of our focus than this.

No Wonder Chinese Crap is Cheap
Anyone interested in how products from China are so cheap and unregulated, link this.

http://socialistworld.net/eng/2007/07/06china.html
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