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Sunday, December 23, 2007
Austin Hill :: Townhall.com Columnist
Mike Huckabee: "Vote For Me, I'm An Evangelical"
by Austin Hill
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Pardon me, but have you seen my Republican Party lately? I don’t recognize it anywhere.

My mom worked for Barry Goldwater as she carried me in her womb, Ronald Reagan was elected Governor of my home state of California when I was two years old, and I’ve believed in the principles of Goldwater and Reagan all my life.

But given the surge of the “Huckabee for President” campaign, it would seem that many Republicans have abandoned Reagan’s vision in favor of something more reminiscent of President Carter.

As a former Governor, Huckabee has a less-than-conservative track record on a wide range of crucial policy issues, from taxation to immigration to judicial appointments. But Huckabee speaks fluently about Jesus Christ, and theology, and for some people this is apparently all that matters.

And this is why I’m confused. How can so many members of the Republican Party be so quick to abandon the principles of Ronald Reagan?

Huckabee is an anathema to the political conservative movement, a movement that has existed as long as I’ve been alive. But he also poses challenges for another group that has existed for most of my life - - the religious social conservatives.

While making the case for its own policy ideas, the “Christian Right,” as it is sometimes called, has always maintained that attending church regularly and studying the Bible does not disqualify one from participating in our politics. I have always agreed with this assertion, and have been fully supportive of it.

But now we have a presidential candidate who is saying something quite different. By both implicit and explicit means, Huckabee has been conveying that his Evangelical Christianity - - his personal faith, his having attended a Bible college, and his status as an ordained Pastor - - qualify him to be President! This is problematic for the presumed “leaders” of the religious social conservative movement, on at least a couple of accounts.

First, for all the obsessing about a Mormon interjecting his religion into our nation’s politics, Mitt Romney simply has not done this (indeed he has tried to avoid talking about his church as much as possible). Yet in the past several weeks, Huckabee has been interjecting his Evangelicalism into the political process at nearly every turn - - and that seems to be just fine for the “leaders” of the movement.

Huckabee has repeatedly invoked the name of Christ; has fired-off innuendo’s criticizing the theology of other candidates (primarily Romney’s theology); has dismissed any criticism of his behavior as “political correctness;” and has generally sought to present himself as the “most Christian” of the candidates. Yet the same “leaders” who are so afraid that Romney might “mix politics and religion” can’t even bring themselves to question Huckabee’s behavior as he forces theological arguments into the political debate.

Additionally, the reaction (or “non-reaction” as the case may be) to the Huckabee campaign from the religious social conservative movement affirms the worst suspicions of the critics. Rather than being a movement that proposes policies that are good for ALL Americans and then seeks to build consensus around those policies, the movement now appears to be fraught with a “double standard,” just as it also appears to support only candidates that profess the “right” theology - - policies and job qualifications not withstanding.

After reading this, many people will email me Bible verses, and tell me that I don’t get it, and tell me that Mormonism is more evil that I realize, and remind me that we want a “godly man” in the White House. And this illustrates my precise point: there is a time and a place for theological arguments, and this isn’t it. I’m writing here about politics, and advancing political ideals. This is what presidential campaigns are about, as well.

While one’s faith can, and should inform their politics, personal faith and personal politics are not the same thing. But it appears that now, in the year 2007, many Republicans view faith and politics as being very much the same thing. This dangerous mindset precludes the possibility of building consensus with anybody who doesn’t happen to go to the “right” church.

So what happened to the Republican “big tent” concept? And how did we arrive at a point where a candidate’s governing philosophies can be so easily ignored, simply because he has been to Bible college and professes the name of Jesus?

The current success of the Huckabee campaign spells trouble for both the Republican Party, AND the religious conservative movement. It is now my hope that there are other conservative Americans who are as disgusted with these conditions as I am, and are ready to bring about change.

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About The Author
Austin Hill is a Talk Show Host At Boise, Idaho's 580 KIDO Radio, and a frequent Guest Host on the Fox Newstalk Radio Network. He is the Author of "White House Confidential: The Little Book Of Weird Presidential History," And Co-Author of the forthcoming title "The Virtues Of Capitalism: A Moral Case For Free Markets" (Northfield/Moody Press, 2010).
 
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Tolerant
It appears that the fiscal conservative establishment has it's shorts in a knot over the audacity of the American people who support Huckabee. The establishment is singing in unison against Huckabee because they sense their loss of control. Here is a candidate they can't control. What will they do if a candidate they don't own gets elected. It appears that many of us are tired of "canned" leaders who seem to only do what their "elites" tell them to do! We see Mike Huckabee as an authentic breath of fresh air. By the way, we can go to Huckabee's website to see him answer all the spurious trash that has been thrown at him.

Yeah, and his twin, Romney
As a former Governor, Huckabee has a less-than-conservative track record on a wide range of crucial policy issues, from taxation to immigration to judicial appointments.

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Is no better



Romney jurist picks not tilted to GOP
Independents, Democrats get call

By Raphael Lewis, Globe Staff | July 25, 2005





Governor Mitt Romney, who touts his conservative credentials to out-of-state Republicans, has passed over GOP lawyers for three-quarters of the 36 judicial vacancies he has faced, instead tapping registered Democrats or independents -- including two gay lawyers who have supported expanded same-sex rights, a Globe review of the nominations has found.

Of the 36 people Romney named to be judges or clerk magistrates, 23 are either registered Democrats or unenrolled voters who have made multiple contributions to Democratic politicians or who voted in Democratic primaries, state and local records show. In all, he has nominated nine registered Republicans, 13 unenrolled voters, and 14 registered Democrats.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2005/07/25/romney _jurist_picks_not_tilted_to_gop/

Were Washington & Lincoln Christian?
They were good & had some civli-religion style God-talk, but I don't know if they'd be received into membership of most Evangelical Churches. Or Catholic. (Episopalians don't count. They take anybody these days.)

I don't know that I'd want them to teach my kid's Sunday School class, but I'd sure vote for them for President.

Sam, you are such a Ronulan!
The only freakazoids who keep talking about the purported NAU is the PaulPot Ronulans. PLEEZ! Your agenda is transparent as is your weirdo Bilb Baggins hobbit-type candidate.

Rush Limbaugh said the same thing
He said Huckabee's benefiting from "Identity Politics" . . . and strongly questions his conservative credentials.

http://iowansforromney.blogspot.com/2007/12/rush-limbaughs- undorsement-of-mike.html

The kibosh by Rush may be the nail in Huckabee's coffin.

Tolerant: You're candidate is Intolerant
"We see Mike Huckabee as an authentic breath of fresh air"?

I'm and American Mormon. I've voted for evangelicals my whole life because we share many of the same political values...but Huckabee is not running on his religious values, he is running on his religion itself, and he's doing it because he knows he can play on the fears that evangelicals have about my faith. He has been completely overt about this. This is not a "breath of fresh air" for Mormons, it is the same ardent stink that has been used against my religion since it's inception.

I don't care if you vote for Romney, or McCain, or Thompson, or any other republican candidate this year...but if Huckabee wins the nomination because he proved proficient at sidelining my religion, I will leave the party. How could I possibly support a party that believes that only their particular religion is acceptable in political office? It's obsurd. This is America and we have a constitution and we hold it in high regard.

Huckster is avoiding any and all discussions about the issues America faces and running on his religion. If anybody tries to engage him on the issues he accuses them of fighting against his religion.

I am an American. My father and Grandfather fought for our freedom. I grew up saluting the flag, saying the pledge of aliegance, and singing the national anthem the same as the rest of you. People of my faith have proven time and time again that we serve in political office with dignity and respect.

I really don't care too much whether or not Romney wins the nomination, but I care tremendously if he loses the nomination because of his religion, rather than because of his politics.

Sam, you faux conservative
Sam, you McCain lover, I suppose McCain never had illegals on his ranch in Arizona. McCain admitted he never checked papers on the illegals on his ranch. So back off of Romney.

You hypocrite...they [the illegals] are everywhere and McCain and his illegal-loving ilk are the primary reason. Of course, thanks to his SHAMNESTY bill and the McCain-Thompson-Feingold bill, the GOP will never be able to match the money of the Dems.

We will have the Hildebeest in office thanks to McCain's antics over the last 10 years.

Judge not and ye shall not be judged
This is a very interesting article and one that I think the Founding Fathers would agree with. Huckabee is trying to push his own particular brand of religion and, typical of a Southern Baptist, criticizing the religion of others. I would like to explain that last comment for I lived in Arkansas for 3 1/2 years and regularly and repeatedly recieved letters from the local Baptist Churches inviting me to seminars explaining why Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Catholics, etc. are not real Christians---amongst other items with they criticized other religions.

This nation is not a nation of Evangelical Southern Baptists, but a huge mixing pot of many different faiths.....Huckabee needs to respect that and understand fully why the Founding Fathers insisted on the separation of church and the state. We should not judge the faith of others because that is exactly what it is---faith---a belief in something that is unseen and unproven, except by the heart of the believer. He is pointing out the splinter in another person's faith when there is a beam in his own.

Thank you, Austin, for explaining Huckabee's deficiency so well.

Republican Conservative Value Voters
For the rest of us Republican Conservative Value Voters that are not of your "One and only TRUE Evangelical faith with the so called pure view of the nature of God/Jesus Christ"... No thanks Huck!

We need the Big Tent, not identity voters who have on blinder when looking at the issues that we all should be supporting.

After comparing Issue for Issue between Huckabee & Romney, my vote is now going to Romney because he is more conservative and because of your un-Christian actions of which I see as devisive to the party and the greater good of the United States.

I hope for a winning ticket of Romney/Thompson!

No ground to complain
Elbeau writes: 12:46 AM
You're candidate is Intolerant


I'm and American Mormon.

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Mormon religion founded in intolerance of Christians.
And if Romney gets the ticket, count me out.

Hackabee and Evangelicals
Hey, I'm an Evangelical, and I won't vote for Gov. Huckabee. I want a candidate with substance, one who has a clear grasp of the issues and who can articulate conservative philosophy in social, economic, political, and international areas. Gov. Huckabee hasn't done that.

A Republican Carter?
Mike Huckabee does not have a chance against Obama (The Clintons are in free fall) as even religious Americans feel too uneasy about him. I can only speak for myself, but any time someone has to use the "religion card" to get my vote it just turns me off.

Obama is very articulate (clean, too - just ask Biden) and can talk a good game. His youth is appealing and he has a nice family. And he appears trustworthy - the exact opposite of the Clintons. He is extremely liberal, but people will look past that when faced with a choice between him and Huckabee.

Do we really want to take the chance of electing the Republican version of Jimmy Carter?

Talent Scout
What's the matter, couldn't stay off the booze?

I find this insulting
Austin Hill writes:
So what happened to the Republican “big tent” concept? And how did we arrive at a point where a candidate’s governing philosophies can be so easily ignored,
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Many of us are not ignoring it and will not support Huckabee.
And for the SAME reasons we will NOT support the RINO Romeny.

One thing in Hucks favor, no sodomites getting married in Arkansas, but they are in Massachudetts thanks to Romney.

Deny it and you are a liar.

Plenty of grounds to complain
talent scout writes: "Mormon religion founded in intolerance of Christians. And if Romney gets the ticket, count me out."

Exactly what have Mormons done politically that has hurt your religion...or your ability to be an equal citizen?

The things you call "intolerance of Christians" are theological in nature and Mormons do not use those arguments to call you a less trustworthy citizen. Can you say the same about the way Huckabee treats Mormonism?

If I was drunk
3wire writes: 1:16 AM
Talent Scout
What's the matter, couldn't stay off the booze?
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I would still be smarter than you clown.

Here what I see from Mormons
You all come to support Romney just because he is a Mormon and his sorry record of being a RINO is overlooked.
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Elbeau writes: Sunday, December, 23, 2007 1:21 AM
Plenty of grounds to complain
talent scout writes: "Mormon religion founded in intolerance of Christians. And if Romney gets the ticket, count me out."

Exactly what have Mormons done politically that has hurt your religion...or your ability to be an equal citizen?

The things you call "intolerance of Christians" are theological in nature and Mormons do not use those arguments to call you a less trustworthy citizen. Can you say the same about the way Huckabee treats Mormonism?

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What has Huckabee done to Mormons????
Ask one question and we hear all this bs about it.
And then it was a question that your own church teaches!
Tell me how does that work?
Someone asks a Christian about what their church teaches and it is supposed to be offensive!

Its a stupid side issue, and nothing more, to keep from looking at the slime ball Romney himself, and his rotten RINO record.

Massachusetts is one confused State on the marriage issue today from this clown Romney's acts as Governor.

What kool aid are you drinking?
Huckabee is more like Reagan than any of the other candidates. Just ask Michael Reagan or Ed Rollins.

I remember Jimmy Carter, and Huckabee is nothing like Jimmy Carter - they are as opposite as Mitt Romney and Harry Reid (who're both Mormon).



Open your eyes and you'll see more
talent scout writes: "Here what I see from Mormons. You all come to support Romney just because he is a Mormon and his sorry record of being a RINO is overlooked."

I don't care if Romney wins or loses. He's a certified flip-flopper and has plenty of political baggage for people not to vote for him.

I DO care if you base your vote for Huckster based on his ability to sideline people of my faith and tell us that we are somehow less-worthy to hold office based on our religion.

You act like I'm just talking about one anti-Mormon comment when you know full well he has played on people's fears of Mormonism in order to propel himself in the polls. Huckster is a guy who came to Salt Lake in 1998 in an official anti-Mormon capacity as a keynote speaker in an anti-Mormon event sponsored by the Baptist Convention. When he knew full-well that people were making arguments saying that Mormons are not Christians, he used the only advertising dollars he had to promote himself as a "Christian Leader" instead of an American Leader. He then traveled to Salt Lake City to declare that we need to "Reclaim America for Christ". Then he starts spewing anti-Mormon talking points during high-profile interviews. Then he claims he just doesn't know much about Mormons and wanted to find out. I guess an interview with the New York Times was his best time to learn about Mormon beliefs. He must have missed cult-day during his seminary years.

This guy wants to use people's religious fears to sideline another candidate. He's not doing it on any issues...he's basing his campaign on his PARTICULAR religion. Wake up. This isn't about Romney to most Mormons. Romney hasn't exactly held the same positions that most Mormons have. Mormons like me want to believe that we have an equal part in this country as anyone else.

MICHELLE YOU DON'T GET IT
The important issue with Huckabee isn't his views on religion--he's entitled to those.

The problem is it is becoming apparent that his political views on many big issues aren't half as conservative as his religious tenants.

I didn't vote for the evangelical from Georgia in '76 because the only thing going for him in my book was his religious views.

And I never voted for the other guy from Arkansas and Huckabee is begining to sound like Bill only without the underwear comments, the saxophone and the astroturf in his El Camino remember that one?).

I'm thinking we need to look at Rudy again. He isn't half as conservative as I wish he was, but I think I can trust him on most things, the things a President has control over.

Talent Scout
Ooh.... Sticks and stones. You have no brains, you have no facts, you have no argument except your personal prejudices. Vote for whomever you want, but don't disparage Mormons, especially if you are truthfully a member of the Church. Disagree with Gov. Romney's positions, but please, don't bring your vitrol and ascerbic self-hatred to this web site.

The Huckster
Talent Scout:

Here what I see from Mormons
You see nothing Talentscout except your bitter rantings. Is this what right wing Conservatism is all about? Hate, venom and vitriol?



Put up or shut up, and present some positive proof (instead of your hate filled right wing rhetoric) that Romney had something to do with Massachussets allowing same sex marriages. Are you implying that Romney was in bed with the Massachussets Supreme court on this issue?

The only clown to come along and call names and denigrate other people , is you Talent Scout!


No Religious Test for Office
This campaign is about values, issues, security, taxes, out-of-control spending by the Federal Government and the like. Religion should not be the basis for anyone's vote. However, just as some will vote for Hillary because she is a woman, some will vote for Obama because he is a man of color, some will vote for Gov. Huckabee because he is an evangelical. So be it. No one's mind will be changed, because to base your vote on such a shallow "qualification" demonstrates a shallow mind.


Huckaphobes are the minority...
First: people like me want to vote for Huckabee because we like his past experience, his polices, and his vision for the future, not because he is a genuine Christian. We are however attracted to the fact that his "Christian" nature is real and not just dreamed up for an election cycle. Why does this matter? Because a "genuine" Christian can be trusted to make good on his promises (and that would be truly unique from a politician).

Second: Huckabee took Arkansas and revitalized it. With modest tax increases they vastly improved infrastructure and thus bolstered their economy by attracting new business. And, when he left office, the state had over $800 million on hand (an amount in excess of the tax increases).

Whine and complain all you want, but that seems like a good plan for America.

Plus Huckabee has signed the pledge to not raise taxes. The pledge commits him to "oppose any and all efforts to increase the marginal income tax rates for individuals and/or businesses" and to "oppose any net reductions and credits, unless matched dollar for dollar by further reducing tax raises."

So, you "financial" conservatives (aka Huckaphobes) should chill out. Huckabee isn't gonna mess things up... plus, there's a lot more people in America like me that will vote for him than there are like you that will try to stop him (and feel free to join Mr. Romney in burning up a bunch of cash to try and stop Huckabee, it's ok, we don't feel the heat!).

GO MIKE GO!

visit http://www.joltamerica.com



Hey TuftsJumbo
It just BURNS YOU UP that we have a candidate that refuses to lie, doesn't it. Not only that, he won't even equivocate! Why don't ya drop on by factcheck.org and look up all those LIES Dr. Paul has been caught in? Now look up YOUR candidate, it doesn't matter who they are. You know what the difference is? YOUR candidate would cheerfully tell you to breathe carbon monoxide gas, if polls suggested it and he thought it wasn't being recorded. MY candidate won't even return a measley $500 from some dorkwad - he's willing to lose the election over $500 rather than violate his principles. Bet you feel like you did when you first heard Santa wasn't real, don't ya. Just because YOU don't like integrity doesn't mean the rest of us don't like it.

HUCKABEE ABUSING CHRISTIANITY
Spot on article Austin. Indeed, Huckeypie is running for Pastor in Chief. And I find it revolting. He's basically saying, "Hey, because Im a Christian you cshould vote for me." This is patently wrong. Let's face it folks. A Christian is no more qualified than a Muslim, a Jew, or a Mormon. For Huckabee to imply otherwise is morally wrong, and I think it will be his undoing. His support is already unraveling, in Iowa and nationally. Just look at the polls over the last week. People are growing tired of his act, and realizing his approach to politics is wrong, particularly his abusing Christ just to get votes. Shame on you Huckabee. I don't think Jesus would appreciate how you're abusing him in this manner.

I see an idiot
Posting to me is what I see
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BIGSKYER writes: Sunday, December, 23, 2007 1:55 AM
The Huckster
Talent Scout:

Here what I see from Mormons
You see nothing Talentscout except your bitter rantings. Is this what right wing Conservatism is all about? Hate, venom and vitriol?



Put up or shut up,
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Shut up yourself big mouth
Yes I absolutely despise the man Romeny's hypocricy.
Glad you do not like it.
Now go vote for the liar cause you are a Mormon

Ron Paul cured my Apathy.
You are right that the current field of Republican candidates are not the party of Goldwater and Reagan. The Republican Party has lost it's way and has let the so-called evangelists and neoconmen hijack our party. There is little difference now between the Democrats and Republicans. They are both tax and spend liberals with only a few minor issues between each other. I was part of the Reagan Youth and Revolution of 1980 & 1984, then I became disillusioned with all of his predecessors.

I have never contributed to a political campaign financially until now. A lot of my generation is really pissed off at how the Republicans and Democrats have run the country into bankruptcy and destroyed our personal liberties and freedoms. The price of oil is directly related to the fall in the value of the dollar and no one is adressing this issue except Ron Paul.

The "new" Republican party has made most of the rest of the world hate us and we are fighting constitutionally illegal wars with no end.

While Rudy Guiliani has $2300 breakfasts and diners with wealthy people looking for special tax breaks and government handouts to their multinational companies, and the rest of crowd is a bunch of multi-millionaires who have nothing in common with the average American. Ron Paul is like us the average American and has united people from all across the political spectrum from anti-war, libertarians, republicans, democrats, and independents. That makes him dangerous to the media and political establishment in this country.

We The People reject being told whom we should vote for by the special interests. Publishing any polls before the actual election is a morally corrupt practice by the media. We will no longer vote for the lesser of the two evils, because the lesser is still evil.

Here is what we the Average American voter wants this year: World Peace, Prosperity, and individual Freedoms.

Just one of you talking about Huckabee
(And I am not going to vote for the man, so lay that aside. The issue is his record as Governor v. Romney)

Name it!
What exactly has Huckabee said that is so offensive to you Mormons?
I want to hear what it is.
Name one thing he has said, NOT what some one else has said he is saying.

I want what he has said from his OWN MOUTH

Talent Scout's Talent: Calling names
Here's a review of how Talent Scout has enlightened us in this blog:

"Mormon religion founded in intolerance of Christians."

"Deny it and you are a liar."

"I would still be smarter than you clown."

"Its a stupid side issue, and nothing more, to keep from looking at the slime ball Romney"

"this clown Romney's acts as Governor."

"Shut up yourself big mouth"

"Now go vote for the liar cause you are a Mormon"

Thanks for the deep insights.

Gee, I'm Dumbfounded, Huckster's Inocent
"I want what he has said from his OWN MOUTH"

I guess high-profile newspaper interviews where he spouts anti-Mormon talking points then claims amormonesia doesn't count because it came from the reporter's mouth...and inuendo campaigns printing "Christian Leader" on people's TV screens to play on percieved differences in religious beliefs doesn't count because it came in pring...not his OWN MOUTH. Then he just happens to choose Salt Lake City to "Reclaim America for Christ". No...I can't actually say he ever used his mouth in any way offensive to Mormons. I guess you've got me there.

Sick of whining Mormons
Who cannot point out what Huckabee has said that is so offensive.
I believe him running against the Mormon Romney is what you find offensive.

I mean every word of it too.
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"Mormon religion founded in intolerance of Christians."

"Deny it and you are a liar."

"I would still be smarter than you clown."

"Its a stupid side issue, and nothing more, to keep from looking at the slime ball Romney"

"this clown Romney's acts as Governor."

"Shut up yourself big mouth"

"Now go vote for the liar cause you are a Mormon"

Elbeau writes: 2:35 AM
Thanks for the deep insights.

You are welcome, now go on with your Huckabee whining

Later
Thanks for the debate Talent Scout. I do hope that your scouting turns up some talent in the near future. Just kidding...we can at least share one laugh can't we.

Anyways, it's after 2:00am here in Texas and I'm signing off for the night. Catch you tomorrow after my cult meetings.

Horse manure
Elbeau writes: 2:42 AM
Gee, I'm Dumbfounded, Huckster's Inocent
"I want what he has said from his OWN MOUTH"

I guess high-profile newspaper interviews where he spouts anti-Mormon talking points then claims amormonesia doesn't count because it came from the reporter's mouth...
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ts:
Outright lie
So you are saying your own church's teaching is anti-Mormon?
You do teach satan and Jesus are brothers hypocrite.
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Elbeau writes:
and inuendo campaigns printing "Christian Leader" on people's TV screens to play on percieved differences in religious beliefs doesn't count because it came in pring...
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ts:
Huckabee done that long before anyone heard of Romney and said it plainly.
Not one need for innuendo when you say it openly as he does.



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Elbeau writes:
not his OWN MOUTH. Then he just happens to choose Salt Lake City to "Reclaim America for Christ".
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ts
Double talk from Mormons is all tha tis.
You are the ones sending out "evangelists" to all other places around the world to reclaim America and the world for Joe Smith.
Just can't handle it coming back to you?
Whine on
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Elbeau writes:

No...I can't actually say he ever used his mouth in any way offensive to Mormons. I guess you've got me there.
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ts:
I know I got ya
You are way to obvious to miss with your own mouth and all the whining.


Absolutely
Elbeau writes: 2:58 AM
Later
Thanks for the debate Talent Scout. I do hope that your scouting turns up some talent in the near future. Just kidding...we can at least share one laugh can't we.
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Sure can
I just needed to let it out
I do think this is the most important election for the future of this country we have ever faced.
And its worth the fight
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Elbeau writes:
Anyways, it's after 2:00am here in Texas and I'm signing off for the night. Catch you tomorrow after my cult meetings.
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ts:
Tell brother satan to go visit Hilliary at the meeting

talentscout you are a wingnut!
Just because somebody is voting for Romney doesn't make them Mormon and not all Mormons are voting for Romney. It is highly likely MOST are but not all. The LDS church doesn't tell people who to vote for. Sen Reid is a Mormon and look at his record. Mitt has voted as a Governor as he has stated on the side of LIFE!!! You all like to bring up his two gays on the courts in his state as if that is supposed to scare me. I do not condone the lifestyle of gays. I don't want to see them able to have the same recognition as a man and woman in marriage after 4000+ years of what we all know what marriage is. NOW I believe that gays can serve like any other human being in office or work places. The election process wasn't solely Mitt's choice. The way the process is done has been out there since he began his campaign. He selects 5 individuals and then a BOARD will select the two that they want to place on the court. Mitt looks at their record NOT what their sexual lifestyle is. This is a conservative view. We have always wanted to judge people on their record and not skin color, gender, etc. Remember also that Mitt had to work with an 80% Democratic Congress. Yeah good luck there getting anything to pass, yet he still passed conservative laws. English ONLY!! Cut taxes and reduced the deficits. YES, he raised fees because some hadn't been increased since the 70's and early 80's!! We see businesses do this all the time. They have to to stay competitive. These are different than taxes that are nearly impossible to eliminate.

talentscout you are a wingnut! (2)
Austin Hill hit this article right out of the ballpark. It is ALL of you that keep asking about Mitt's religion NOT Mitt. Why do you do this? We (other Christians) don't get into the doctrinal points of Huckabees religion regarding the methods of baptism, rapture, where did the authority come from if the Catholic church claims they are the original?? ALL of the previous questions have nothing, nothing to do with this election and Gov Huckabees beliefs on God don't bother me.
What does bother me is his releasing criminals that have had 4 DUI's early, convicted murderers early, his taxes that he raised and then a Democrat came in and reduced the "grocery" tax for the people of AR, his literal lack of knowledge of ANYTHING on foreign policy. Do not pretend to tell me a military member over here in Iraq that Gov. Huckabee has a clue about National Defense because he doesn't. I also like others am tired of his joking about things that are serious topics hoping that his "cuteness" to the question will allow him to slide by the question-which they have. He has been weak, as it is well documented, on border security and immigration. We all remember who stood up and screamed about protecting our borders 6-9 months ago when McCain and many other soft Conservatives tried to jam that down our throats. Mitt was ALL over the airwaves stating SECURE the border with a fence, get a BIO ID card-which later Rudy co-opted, and then tell these people to get in the back of the line! He just didn't come to this issue.

talentscout you are a wingnut! (3)
Rip all you want on him about the contractor and his illegals. How many times have our kids, friends, spouse, business associates said they wouldn't do something wrong again and we trust them only to be disappointed later. Once he found out that the "friend" wasn't honest with him he let him go. I hope these are a few things that the Huckabee people can think on. He is NOT a conservative in the way we all know. He is soft in alot of areas due to his Christianity. I understand as I am a Christian as well and want to help those in need but first I want to do it legally and I don't want to give people a fish I want to teach them how to fish.

Huckabee or Bush on Immigration?
This is the big issue?

Reality check: Huckabee did NOT support the Bush amnesty plan. In fact, he opposes it. That makes Huckabee to the Right of Bush on immigration. Lay out the Bush plan on immigration and Huckabee's to the Right of it.

Next, it's interesting how these white, secular, fiscal conservative "columnists" like Austin Hill always conveniently leave out Huckabee's long list of conservative credentials/positions which are collectively to the Right of Romney.

So here we go again...

Mike Huckabee is Pro-life.
Mike Huckabee is Pro-military.
Mike Huckabee is Pro-defense spending.
Mike Huckabee is Pro-death penalty.
Mike Huckabee is Pro-second ammendment.
Mike Huckabee is Pro-veterans.
Mike Huckabee is Pro-family.
Mike Huckabee is Pro-prayer in school.
Mike Huckabee is Pro-school vouchers.
Mike Huckabee is Pro-home schooling.
Mike Huckabee is Pro-Israel.
Mike Huckabee is Pro-biblical creation.
Mike Huckabee is Pro-marriage being defined as one man and one woman.

Mike Huckabee is Anti-darwinian evolution.
Mike Huckabee is Anti-gays in the military.
Mike Huckabee is Anti-gay marriage.
Mike Huckabee is Anti-abortion.
Mike Huckabee is Anti-embryonic stem cell research.
Mike Huckabee is Anti-illegal immigration
(but doesn't hold it against the children who were born here).
Mike Huckabee is Anti-IRS.
Mike Huckabee is Anti-amnesty.
(yes, he opposed the Bush amnesty bill).
Mike Huckabee is Anti-socialized health care.
Mike Huckabee is Anti-euthanasia.
(Mitt Romney supported the killing of Terry Schiavo. Mike Huckabee did not).

That's a conservative.

Religion is Discrimination
Any form of religion which seeks office is inherently anti-American and disenfranchises ALL AMERICANS.

If we TRULY accept the foundations of our nation which sought at all levels and above all else: FREEDOM, from religion, discrimination, speech, et.al, then demanding or insinuating a religious ideal for American fellowship is clearly anti-American.

It shouldn't be discussed publicly; it should not be discussed as part of any political campaign.

If your position is that this "nation was founded on christian values" then you are clearly part of the anti-American movement.

Elbeau
Elbeau -> "How could I possibly support a party that believes that only their particular religion is acceptable in political office?"
Tadpole -> First, nobody has said that 'only their particular religion' is acceptable. Huckabee is doing what politicians do - he is identifying something different between himself and those he is running against. I have read and watched a lot of what Huckabee has to say - and I am not left with this impression. Now, this is very different compared to what reporters, pundits, and show hosts have to say - they are the ones taking this grain of sand and turning it into a mountain.

Elbeau -> Huckster is avoiding any and all discussions about the issues America faces and running on his religion. If anybody tries to engage him on the issues he accuses them of fighting against his religion.
Tadpole -> You might not agree with his positions, but he absolutely does have some as outlined here - http://www.mikehuckabee.com/?FuseAction=Issues.Home.

As indicated in another thread, the media is going to hype what they think is a good story. Huckabee has been a good story.

There is plenty to disagree with Huckabee on, this whole religion thing is a red herring and many of you are only proliferating this particular angle.

Sgt Relic
While your observation of other candidates NOT making a change in thought process, thus in your statements stands as a credential, I would caution against such ideas.

Every person, as he or she develops his or her ideas in life, I would HOPE makes a change when they know more or know better.

Someone standing unchanged in the face of new information or evidence, is at its core, dangerous.

Scooternyc
This country was founded on freedom OF religion.

The 1st Amendment is about keeping government out of church, not church out of government. This is intuitively obvious to the most casual observer.

The Huckster Is Carter Redux
Although Republicans may nominate Huckabee as the nominee there's no way on God's green earth that Huckabee could win the presidency. Even Democrats learned the lesson of electing a man whose religiousity dominated his personality and leadership--Jimmy Carter--much to the detriment and chagrin of the nation. Huckabee has spent most of his life as a minister, a preacher, from a small southern state whose population is less than that of New York City. Democrats would love to see the Huckster as the Republican standard bearer. I can just see the campaign videos with Huckabee on screen slowly morphing into the toothsome Jimmy ("I'll never lie to you") Carter!Get real, conservatives, we don't want to duplicate another four years of sanctimonious, mediocre leadership that makes us the laughingstock of the world!
Huckabee as pastor of your church--yes.
Huckabee as president of the most powerful nation in the world--a resounding NO!

We need a purge
I see that Huckleberry's Hounds are out in full force this morning. Both Huckleberry and Romney are liberals which makes what Mr. Hill say is true. The Republican Party has drifted so far to the left since Goldwater that it is virtually unrecognizable anymore. It is time to purge it of RINOs like Rudy, Romney, Snow, and Graham. Either that or form a new party.

But, one thing I do think Mr. Hill is wrong on, along with a lot of the other pundits. These polls that everyone is quoting are meaningless. The real polls will occur soon and we will see.

Wow Right wingers HATE Huckster
May be I better look at Huckabee some more. If Ann Coulter hates him, may be he deserves another look

The choice is simple Vote Dem in '08 and stop the madness.

Of Course Mr. Hill
You could stick it in your ear.

clearly a Mitt Romney Supporter
To build a case as flimsy and transparent as this is to irrationally stir a conflict that isn't there. I think you do a disservice to both candidates.

Tell me instead how Romney's 75% liberal judge pick is different than Huckabee's.

I think this author is function under his own prejuice and bias. My advise - go to church and pray on it.

Austin
"The current success of the Huckabee campaign spells trouble for both the Republican Party, AND the religious conservative movement. It is now my hope that there are other conservative Americans who are as disgusted with these conditions as I am, and are ready to bring about change. "

Actually this "religion" element was the "key" factor in the Reagan construct of fundamentalist conservatism. The Bush Regime and the fundamentalist takeover of the Republican party now, as you point out, endanger the Republican Party's very existance. An evangelical focus group I speak with summed it up best: we will vote for no Republicans in the coming elections - period. It is time for a change and to get religion out of government.... These were very strong Bush/Santorum (remember that name?)supporters not so long ago.

The GOP will shoot itself in the head
if it nominates Huckabee, who was a bad example as a governor, raising taxes, defending illegals, and sponsoring soaring budgets. He has also had sthics problems requiring legal investigation.

Please, conservatives, nominnate someone who fan really govern and win a national election.

Rudy Giuliani.

Talent Scout
Thank you for your info on Romney appointments. This is the kind of info i peruse TH for. Since you generally post left wing views, your motivation puzzles me though.

Community Based religion
Religion is always best when it comes from those full dedicated to it - the priests and pastors in our neighborhood and the community that supports it.

Huckabee has stated he will be President not pastor. Sounds like the left has their war strategy against Huckabee mapped out. Fearmongering about religion - stoking their intolerant constituenties.

Elbeau
Your concern is perfectly understandable. The several Mormons i have had for neighbors and co-workers were exemplary folks. I attended a couple Mormon church services and was impressed with the emphasis on children and family. My only turnoff was the level of control and financial pressure, but that's my take. Full disclosure, i am a tithing Christian. Romney is not my first choice, but i will vote for him if he is our candidate. Every party has its nutjobs and one issue voters. If things could go as you fear, please don't throw out the baby with the bath water and leave.

Lisa
It isn't the "left" it is the extreme right: Limbaugh, Coulter. et al

renny
"Please, conservatives, nominnate someone who fan really govern and win a national election.

Rudy Giuliani."

Really? Ask almost ANY member of the NYFD, including my daughter-in-law. They will spend every dime they have to oppose Rudi. Heck, if he cannot take care of his own troops in NYC what will he do as president? Ethics? Rudi? You have to be kidding


Mark
If Huckabee winds up in the WH, i sure hope you are right. He looks wobbly to me on many of your points.

Scooterrnyc
It is suspicious when candidates like Rudy, Mitt and Huck, who have been deep in the amnesty flow, suddenly realize that a huge majority of voters are against amnesty, and suddenly they "realize" they were against amnesty too. And we're back to the definition of an honest politician. When he's bought, he stays bought. But the record of GOP pols who stick to the platform they espoused to get elected is not good. It looks to me that Fred and Hunter are the only 2 left without daunting RINO baggage and they are forlorn hopes. Nevertheless, If either is still there for Florida primaries, that's who gets my vote. If a RINO gets the candidacy, he is going to have to do some fancy raindancing to wean my vote away from voting writein. Better a clear mess due to left wing values than the frog/pot syndrome.

romneys is a fake and sleazy candidate
He reminds me of snake oil salesman. Can anyone tell me what this mans true beliefs are? Does he have any?
He'll do or say anything to get elected. very scary for this country.

Facinating!
I went to factscheck.org as was suggested by one of the posters above. It seems every candidate, either Republican or Democrat, with the exception of Ron Paul is guilty of exaggeration or outright lying. And yet the posters here continue the argument about who deserves to be POTUS. Honesty and integrity trumps duplicity and religiosity every time. The choice is clear, Ron Paul has earned the votes of every American.

Conservative? What Conservative?
Mike Hucksterboy is a lying liberal scumbag. Back in the 70's and the 80's he led the liberals against the conservatives in the fight to control the Southern Baptist Convention. This article by Robert Novak is good primer on Hucksterboy's left-wing bent.

Huckabee is Elmer Gantry...
and there's a lot of ignoramuses in Iowa.

The problem with
snake oil salesmen is that I just don't do much oiling of snakes and therefore have no use for snake oil.

Huck-a-Evangel...
Mr. Hill,

I think you miss the point here. Huckabee is the only candidate who address socially conservative elements of the campaign with elequence and sincerity. All of the others speak of being pro marriage and anti-abortion...but honestly do you believe them, with the most elequent having blurted the opposite as recently as a decade ago???

Huckabee talks about his religion, but I have not once heard it in an offensive way and I follow pretty closely. I have only heard columnist and media persons complain about it. So maybe he is different in person. But Huckabee meets Americans where most of them are.

And don't give Romney credit for "not talking" about his religion. He can't talk about it because Mormonism turns most people off and reminds them of the time that, out of curiosity they called for a free book of Mormon and had it hand delivered by two white guys in white suits with nametags, that expected you to have them in for tea and a conversion experience. Romney avoids it because it makes people go "uh isn't that a cult or something" while Huckabee talks about his faith and the majority of Americans go "oh yeah me too, and he said it so well."

I totally disagree that someones faith should not be part of their job, whatever it is. I respect Huckabee for his "openess", as we might say about some other choices in life in today's secular American society, and I think he will stick with it. It is who he is. He will either become President like this or he will flounder in the sess pool with the rest.

All that said you missed the point as most of you guys writing have. It isn't his evangelical credentials, it is that he speaks elequently about issues most American Republicans, if not most Americans agree with. Until someone else does that in the field he will take the nomination and we will all get to see if Hillary burns him at the stake.

Chris Farrington


The most difficult election cycle by far
has been this one. I can't find any candidate to vote for, whether R or D or I or L. Politics and politicians have become so off the wall in this country we will probably never get our true country back. Everyone wants it their way or the highway.
To paraphrase a quote I read recently; once the citizens realize they can vote themselves the treasury, the Republic is doomed". it's all about who will spend the money on the programs/policies that everyone wants. No one will step up to the plate and say "Hey, maybe my slice of the pie can be taken away in order to save something for all of us".
What we need is a person who is willing to put America on a fiscal Jenny Craig diet. We also need people to pay more attention to the congress and senate than who we put in the White House. Congress is much more ruinous to our pocketbooks and labor than any president.
Everything else is just a matter of one side or the other trying to require all of us to live the way they think we should.
Government has no business in healthcare, education, funding of anything other than military and infrastructure. We have lost our way as a freedom loving country and not one single candidate for President or Senate or Congress is willing to try to drag us back to the freedom of total self-responsibility and rights to do as we choose with our lives.
My children and grand children will never know the freedom of choosing how to live such as I have had in my lifetime, and it's our own fault due to voting people in congress who promise to "take care of us". How sad.

The right view of faith
This is not a personal attack on Mr. Huckabee but a comparison of political styles.
Just as Bill Clinton was our "first Black president", Mike Huckabee will be our "first Evangelical president".
Two men from the same political environment and background, understanding the system and using it to divide the country and take the presidency.
For all the Evangelicals (and everyone else), just understand the policies of the man you are supporting.

I'm for Mitt even though I voted for Huc
I live in Arkansas and have had the dubious honor of voting for Huckabee. I was so excited about a Republican getting into office here, after having had Clinton and Jim Guy Tucker. I was a loyal Huckabee supporter for most of his time in office. His last term was a huge eye opener to me. Now I feel I owe the nation an apology. Even though my vote was an infinitesimal part of his progress toward his goal of presidential power-still it was there. I regret it deeply. He turned out to be so bad for conservatives in AR. We needed a real conservative. What we got was a populist liberal in preachers clothing. I pray the USA doesn't suffer the same horrible experience.

Mitt Romney is my choice. I've studied hard this time. Once bitten, twice shy. I am convinced that Romney is a real conservative. The way he led in Massachusetts has convinced me. The bills he signed and the bills he refused to sign are the proof. He fought gay marriage and saved the rest of the country from having all of the gays in other states from running to Massachusetts and getting married and then getting recognized in their own states.

Go Mitt. Huckabee has disgusted me with his overtly religious campaign.

ou ask, "what happened to the big tent?"
Apparently it is not big enough for evangelicals? Huckabee is not the one making an issue of his faith -- the media, conservative elites and radio folks like you hoping to improve their ratings are the ones who are talking incessantly about his faith and ignoring his strong record in Arkansas.

ou ask, "what happened to the big tent?"
Apparently it is not big enough for evangelicals? Huckabee is not the one making an issue of his faith -- the media, conservative elites and radio folks like you hoping to improve their ratings are the ones who are talking incessantly about his faith and ignoring his strong record in Arkansas.

elections are not ordination
Governor Huckabee is almost as weak of a candidate as Ron Paul, in my opinion. While I'm a conservative Christian myself, I would never vote for a candidate just because we share the same or similar theology. There are plenty of Christians who would make poor presidents and there are people of other faiths who are strong leaders and whose values I share.

huckster
you guys have no decent candidate. just vote for ron paul or dem.

Mike Huckabee: "Vote For Me, I'm An Evan
What Republican Party? Bush has destroyed the Republican Party along with the help of other Rinos. Now he may be bent on destroying Israel by givng more of this sovereign nation to the terrorists.

Control Freaks
I am still looking for a candidate of any party who will reverse our decline from a constitutional republic into democracy. The all seem to think that it only takes 50.01% to cram any damn thing they like down our throats. Ron Paul comes the closest to defending our limited-government Constitution, but even he has forgotten that a primary cause for the formation of our country was "to provide for the common defense." http://www.poorgrandchildren.com

Mike Huckabee: "Vote For Me, I'm An Evan
What Republican Party? Bush along with the help of other Rinos have nearly destroyed the Republican Part as we used to know it. Now he seems bent on destroying Israel by giving more of this sovereign narion to the Islamic terrorists.

King Liberal
"Huck's people basically called Limbaugh out on being part of the right wing NYC/DC axis of media evil and Rush spent most of his Friday show whining about how he represents middle america and not the drive by media."

Limbaugh was made by the Rove wing and Clinton. My guess is the entertainer/shock jock is now going into a slow long decline. As one of the largest poll takers in the country, I wager he sees it too and that is why he is getting more and more outrageous from comparing a wounded soldier to a suicide bomber, attacking a 12 year old and finally attacking Huck...

Party has lost its way.
Republican party has lost its way. Everyone talks about how the Democratic party has drifted so far to the left, but disastrous neocon reckless interventionism on foreign policy(as well as big spending)that defines today's GOP, has taken the party far, far away from its conservative moorings.

Insofar as Hill's point about Huckabee is concerned, I partially agree.

I guess I am misinformed, but I thought we were voting on which candidate can become our party's nominee for President of the United States, not Evangelical Minister of the United States.

Don't get me wrong. I applaud Huckabee's bravery and honesty in having the "cojones" to criticize the disastrous foreign policy embodied by the Bush administration, while cowardly GOP contenders lack the vision and integrity to question an obviously deeply flawed and destructive administration policy.

On that specific issue, Huckabee earns the grade of "A-", while Romney, Giuliani each earn a "D-", and McCain earns a "C". At least McCain saw the necessity of using more troops from the beginning.

But with Huckabee, I worry he may want to graft his personal religious convictions onto public policy. Bush and his cronies tried to do that on Iraq reconstruction efforts when applicants for certain positions within Coalition Provisional Authority had to pass a litmus test on their views on abortion(for God's sake!!!!!!!).

Since I am a traditional conservative, I especially am suspicious of Huckabee's leftist- oriented social gospel, which in my opinion would induce him to obligate American taxpayers to rectify all sorts of world problems, from poverty to oppression.

KING LIBERAL

.....You are so far out in Left field that you are out of the ballpark ...what you are seeing is an increase in attacks on Rush because he has been so successful in exposing their lies ...Rush has been a thorn in the side of the Left for years and they have attacked him many times in the past without success ...Rush will survive "Media Watch" and all the other wackos groups that are out to get him .....COLOSSUS

Hal Donahue
H.D. gets it wrong again.

Limbaugh was NOT created by any politician ("Limbaugh was made by the Rove wing and Clinton.") Limbaugh's sucess comes from the fact that his public comments are in line with what a huge number of Americans are thinking privately.

For Donahue to opine that Limbaugh is in "... a slow long decline" implies that America is becoming more liberal. If that were the case, both Gore and Kerry would have won elections, and Clinton would have gotten a majority of the popular vote instead of a minority.

The MSM doesn't need to libel or slander conservatives; it simply ignores them or leads the debate toward trivial issues such as religion. The MSM annoints its favored liberal elitists and throws the conservatives a bone now and then to keep the race close (so listeners and viewers will tune in).

baseballdoc
"...what you are seeing is an increase in attacks on Rush because he has been so successful in exposing their lies"


-which ones? i've heard his show plenty of times and he is largely responsible for misinformation hitting the msm.

THE CANDIDATES ON IMMIGRATION

.....The following are the results of USA NUMBERS GRADE on immigration of all candidates:

...EXCELLENT: DUNCAN HUNTER AND FRED THOMPSON

...GOOD: RON PAUL

...FAIR: MITT ROMNEY

...POOR: MIKE HUCKABEE

...BAD: GIULIANI AND McCAIN

...ABSYMAL: ALL DEMOCRATS

...COLOSSUS

BIG MON

.....You are putting the cart before the horse ...it is the MSM that creates the misinformation ...can you cite one example of misinformation that was originated by Rush? .....COLOSSUS

baseball doc
yeah. during the 2000 campaign rush, along with ann coulter and the weekly stadard, invented stories about gore being a liar. they said he claimed to have invented the internet, they said he lied about his role as a chacter in a book, they said he took credit for love canal. these were all small comments, taken so far out of context (and swiching words) to sound like gore was some megalomaniac. they were lies that made it to the msm and originated with the pig man and friends.

Hal "Phil" Donohue
The Hals and others of the liberal persuasion have been telling us for 10+ years about the decline of Rush Limbaugh.

It amounts to wishful thinking and the principles they have learned at the Joseph Goebbels Propaganda Institute.

Instead, not only has Rush continued to gain market share, libs have tried and failed (again) to establish a foothold in Talk Radio (Air America); and we have seen the successful addition of Hannity, Beck, Levin, Fox News, etc., etc., etc. who counter the liberal bias and spin of the MSM.

Nothing makes liberals more apoplectic than losing their media monopoly. They are like a vampire exposed to sunlight.

When you have
The liberal media giving Huck a tongue bath when you know that deep down inside they despise his religious based candidacy,it comes down to two things. They hate Romney and are afraid of him being the GOP nom or they want Huck to be the nom because he would be so easy to beat.Turnout would be very low for Huck because of all his anti conservative leanings. Huck is ahead in Iowa for one reason, a huge Evangelical e mail list fear mongering over Rudi being the candidate. That is what has been the glue holding Huck's viability up in Iowa. He's one heck of a retail politician,exploiting his caring puppy dog face. But it's all a con job.Baptist ministers learn this to fill up the collection plate.

The main thing I agree with in this article is the media seemed freaked out about Romney's religion being injected into the race but have had no problem lapping up Huck's religious pap.Huck has used religion as a wedge issue and specifically against Mormonism.He would never ask a snide question about what Jews or Muslims believe.

If you go back and look at Romney's record in business or public life his religion has never been in the forefront,yet the narrative has been to create Mormophobia within the electorate.

primus
why don't you write hannitty asking him to let ed schultz on his show to debate about media ownership (aka rupert murdoch)? shultz has challenged him many times.

big mon
So please tell us what Gore has done since 2000 to counter the argument that he IS a megalomaniac?

GloBULL warming, perhaps?

When Gore behaves in his personal life the way he suggests the rest of us must behave to save the planet - then MAYBE I'll start giving him the benefit of doubt about his honesty.

HUCKABUBBLE IS BEGINNING TO LEAK

.....Relax Hill ...After Jan 3RD Huckabee will go down in history as another media creation ala Dean and will fade faster than the Hula Hoop ...

.....After Iowa the Huckster has no real tangible support besides the media cheer leaders ...The big players are Romney and Giuliani with Thompson as a dark horse long shot ...McCain will finish second in NH and then throw his support behind Thompson .....COLOSSUS

big mon

I'd be happy to - as long as you write Ted Turner to debate Hannity as well.

Or maybe invite Hillary to debate Hannity in a Lincoln-Douglass format?

Typical liberal straw man argument, big mon.

It is why liberals want to bring back the "UNfairness Doctrine".

In the arena of ideas, liberals are unarmed.

baseballdoc:
If McCain throws his support behind Thompson, will Lieberman join him?

THAT would be something I'd like to see!

The reaction from the Left would be entertaining, to say the least...

Comments to Austin Hill, Republican...
shill........support my LGBT Republican friends (aka neo-cons, Rockefeller Republicans) because I'm a closetcase. It's readily apparent that the liberal Republican base of the Republican Party has come to realize that no matter whether they prevaricate or collude with neurotic legal and medical professionals to alter the domestic and national policies of the United States that the social conservatives of both parties finallly recognize what is at stake. How arrogant or stupid, literally, does one have to be to believe that foisting four social liberals on the base of the Republican Party by the LGBT line and staff of the RNC and RSCC that social conservatives of all political affiliations would capitulate? Fight's on for the federal appellate and the SCOTUS. We're prepared.......are you?

lively morning..heh heh heh
g2825m seems to be very informed on many matters
Iam talking about a soldier in iraq who is putting his life on the line for us!he also seems to be informed on some interesting facts about "those judges" selected during romneys stay as gov.. amazing: romney was constantly in a hostile environment(80% democrat) and he did get some conservative things accomplished, which is a political miracle in itself!
if there was a meeting involving jesus christ, the original 12 apostles,apostle paul and there was a press release of that meeting..huckleberry
would jump up and shout.."wait a minute here folks..IAM THE CHRISTIAN LEADER"!!
ELVIS

primus
he went into hiding for a while. he got fat and grew a beard. he can't be blamed for his success. and despte the fact that slopeheaded anti-science idiots like yourself choose to live in denial the overwhelming amount of of scientific evidence that the climate is changing (warming now, may cool very quickly though- you really should watch the movie). there was a story this morning about a tropical disease carrying mosquito comfortable in italy for the first time in recorded history.

primus
hillary clinton and ted turner? ed schultz is a talk show host, like hannity. and hannity would get leveled in a "real" debate where he didn't control the microphones like on his show with any of the three.

Try This

Hello....Hello out there.

John McCain. Take another look.

11 Golden Questions for Brassy Objection
3. Men are saved by belief alone, by grace, not by works "lest any man should boast" (Eph. 2:9).

Did Jesus become our Redeemer by His belief and the grace of God alone? Or did he have to do something for us? (Incidentally, if God does not bless us for good works, should He condemn us for evil works, like, say "boasting?" Has there been any prophet or saint of whom God has not required more than belief? Point: We are saved by grace through works, Christ's grace and works being our prime example.)

7. God is a mystery. The finite cannot know the infinite. Man cannot comprehend God.

Has God revealed to you that God cannot reveal more of Himself? Then you depend on the word of others? Is it wise to study those who have failed to find Him, and ignore those who have claimed He has revealed Himself?

8. There are no grounds for accepting the Book of Mormon as the word of God since you don't have the original plates.

Why do you and I accept the Bible as the word of God when we don't have the original manuscripts?

DavidMac
"Limbaugh was NOT created by any politician ("Limbaugh was made by the Rove wing and Clinton.") Limbaugh's sucess comes from the fact that his public comments are in line with what a huge number of Americans are thinking privately."

Because of his continual massive polling I never said he was stupid he is an entertainer and good at it

"For Donahue to opine that Limbaugh is in "... a slow long decline" implies that America is becoming more liberal. If that were the case, both Gore and Kerry would have won elections, and Clinton would have gotten a majority of the popular vote instead of a minority."

I am speaking of the past year....talking change. As much as Limbaugh believes it; he is not the conservative voice just one of them and a declining one...that is what really upsets him. fundamentalist conservatism is discredited with the American people now. I don't care if you believe me just watch and listen

"The MSM doesn't need to libel or slander conservatives; it simply ignores them or leads the debate toward trivial issues such as religion. The MSM annoints its favored liberal elitists and throws the conservatives a bone now and then to keep the race close (so listeners and viewers will tune in). "

Actually isn't this exactly what Limbaugh, Coulter et al are doin to Huck on the conservative side?

big mon "opines":
"idiots like yourself choose to live in denial the overwhelming amount of of scientific evidence that the climate is changing (warming now, may cool very quickly though- you really should watch the movie)..."

You MUST be new to TH, big mon!

I have to laugh whenever one of you moonbats talk about the scientific evidence in Al Gore's "movie" that even a British judge said could not be labeled as "factual". Even Gore has admitted to "exaggerations" to make his points.

Real climatologists are running from this so-called consensus as fast as they can. (As if science is anything about "consensus").

GloBULL warming is without doubt the greatest scam perpetrated on man in the past century or so, yet seems to have a large following among sheeple such as yourself.

If you want to walk off the cliff behind a man who couldn't even pass divinity school - yet is now some great scientific messiah - be my guest.

Just don't try to drag the rest of us off with you.

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