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Wednesday, September 10, 2008
Austin Bay :: Townhall.com Columnist
Bin Laden's Slow Rot
by Austin Bay
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In late August 2004, after shutting off the recorder, I asked the British general to tell me how Iraq and coalition forces should handle the complex ethnic, sectarian and security challenge presented by Shia "Mahdi Militia" leader Moqtada al-Sadr. That month, Sadr's thugs had invaded Najaf's Grand Mosque and attempted to bait the coalition into bombing the shrine.

The coalition chose to follow the advice passed on by an aide of Shiite Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani: "Let us deal with Sadr. We know how to handle him and will do so. However, the coalition must not make him a martyr."

The British general shook his head. "Dealing with Sadr will appear indecisive, as the Battle of Najaf appears indecisive. But in the long run Iraq will be better off if Sadr withers, or defeats himself."

Seven years ago, Osama bin Laden was a Big Man on the planet, a bearded stud with a Himalayan reputation among young Muslim militants from Morocco to Indonesia. Now, bin Laden hides in the Himalayas.

The Hollywood finale to 9-11 would have U.S. special forces dragging a chained bin Laden from his hideout, the frightened wannabe Caliph squinting in the harsh sunlight.

The Hollywood ending hasn't happened. Bin Laden may yet be arrested and brought to trial and convicted -- it should be done.

Bin Laden's slow rot may be the "Sadr strategy" writ large, however. The slow rot certainly isn't as emotionally satisfying as Hollywood's denouement. It has political consequences. "Bush can't get bin Laden" is a frequent taunt. But in terms of forwarding America's long-range strategy for defeating Islamo-fascism and helping Middle Eastern Muslim nations address their long-term challenge, bin Laden's slow rot -- in lieu of ascent to martyrdom -- may prove to be ironically useful.

Every war is a series of mistakes -- bloody, expensive mistakes. France's Georges Clemenceau provided a more elegant rendering of the terrible hell of it: War is a series of catastrophes that results in a victory. Ultimately, winning any war, but especially this intricate, multidimensional war, demands perseverance and creative adaptation.

In war, the enemy makes mistakes as well, and al-Qaeda has made numerous strategic errors.

Al-Qaeda's dark genius has been to connect the Muslim world's angry, humiliated and isolated young men with a utopian fantasy preaching the virtue of violence. That utopian fantasy seeks to explain and then redress roughly 800 years of Muslim decline. Bin Laden concluded that attacking the United States and the infidel West was the way to energize these young Muslims -- a physical demonstration of "violent virtue" and its history-shaping effects.

Attacking the United States and Europe would be so overwhelmingly popular the West would leave Muslim nations. Al-Qaida would then take control of Saudi Arabia and Egypt. Bin Laden provided a sketch but few details. He would rely on anger and fervor -- and his own iconic leadership.

Seven years later, it appears attacking the West was a huge strategic blunder by al-Qaida -- and that's not a solely "Western" opinion. Al-Qaida's criminal record has wrecked its reputation in Muslim nations. We've had indications. StrategyPage.com noted on Oct. 27, 2005, that "the Muslim media is less and less willing to be an apologist for al-Qaida, at least when it comes to killing Muslim civilians" and that the Iraqi media in particular "really has it in for al-Qaida."

On Oct. 1, 2006, StrategyPage.com argued that "dead Iraqis were killing al-Qaida. ... Westerners, unless they observe Arab media closely, and have contacts inside the Arab world, will not have noted this sharp drop in al-Qaida's fortunes."

Al-Qaida's malignant message still dupes some young Muslim men. Nineteenth and early 20th century militant anarchist tracts still appeal to violent killers like the Unabomber. Rock music critics and late-night TV cable talk show hosts toy with anarchist tropes.

Bin Laden still has "gangsta" appeal, but mere survival was not his goal.

If bin Laden had been killed in Afghanistan in 2001, the United States would be combating a myth and a legend. Instead of caliphate, bin Laden has produced his own catastrophe. The bin Laden icon is seriously fractured, if not quite shattered.

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Austin Bay Austin Bay is author of three novels. His third novel, The Wrong Side of Brightness, was published by Putnam/Jove in June 2003. He has also co-authored four non-fiction books, to include A Quick and Dirty Guide to War: Third Edition (with James Dunnigan, Morrow, 1996).
 
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I hope we catch Osama. Bring him to the US, to a New York Court. Declare that we performed an illegal rendition on him. Apologize for the horrible mistake. Announce very publicly that he will be released at the front door of the court at 12:00 on this day. Kick him out the door, let nature take it's course. It's not good, but it would be right.

The Seventy-Two Virgins Philosophy!
It's been a while since we've seen any tapes, I guess his Audio/Visual crew must've all gone on to that virgin mecca in the sky called Muhammed's Gold Club, the Muslim version of Hooter's, where virgins rule.
After you've spouted the same martyrdom/jihad spiel for so long and now have to shut up instead of puttin your money where your mouth is hiding in the mountains, it's tough to inspire new recruits especially when all they want to do is watch Brittney Spears shake her butt and Queeer Eye for the Muslim Guy.

What is Al Qaeda's time horizon?
Michael Scheuer(former CIA chief who headed up the effort to get Bin Laden)wrote a book recently entitled "Marching Toward Hell".

His thesis is that our foreign policy is what is driving the animosity in the Muslim world which Al Qaeda exploits.

Specifically our policies of propping up corrupt, authoritarian rulers in Muslim nations, and our unbridled support for Israel.

Additionally, he thinks the Iraq invasion has been a huge mistake(in terms of further alienating the Muslim world) altho on the specific issue of trying to kill or capture Bin Laden, I think he is even more critical of Bill Clinton than he is of George W. Bush...but neither of them are heroic figures in his book.

I think it would have been better to have destroyed Bin Laden.

Having him out there, after all these years and spite of Bush's promises that he will be "brought to justice", only underscores our relative impotence.

Bay may be correct on the larger issue of Al Qaida.

But is Bay suggesting the Muslim press is fine with Al Qaeda as long as it kills western infidels instead of good Muslims?

If so, that is hardly encouraging.

MAYBE Al Qaeda has failed..certainly in the shortterm that would seem to be the case. We are still in the middle east(and would have been regardless of whether we invaded Iraq), and those oppressive Muslim rulers still exist.

But maybe Al Qaeda's historical perspective is in terms of decades, many decades.

I don't see this Muslim fundamentalism, of which Al Qaida helped to foster, disappearing anytime soon.

It looks like it is resurging.

Which harkens back to our policies which, according to Scheuer, are assisting in this resurgence.


It's all about "Image"
A dead Bin Laden is a martyr; a live Bin Laden, hidding in a cave, is a "coward" in the "eyes" of young, militant Muslim men.

Al-Qaida is experiencing recruiting problems, money problems, and influence problems. Unless Al-Qaida can show the Muslim world that it can still "hurt" the stronger West, it will become nothing more than a regional group.

Pakistan will be "blessed" with A-Qaida's presence, especially in the mountains near Afganistan. Al-Qaida and the Taliban will still be able to cause problems in this remote area. However, unless Al-Qaida can hit the West again (as it did on 9/11), it will become no more than a "legend" told around campfires like the Hashshashins of the 8th and 9th centuries.

It will perhaps add a word to the language as the Hashshashins did; i.e., "assassins".

Marginalizing Osama
Since I teach courses on terrorism, I have the occassional student criticize the government for not killing Osama already. However, I use this analogy to explain the situation: it's like imprisoning a dangerous criminal. He's not dead, but he's not in society committing more crimes. We have essentially done that to Osama by imprisoning him in the backwater of Pakistan. So, he's not dead, but you don't see much of him, do you? That's got to be demoralizing to all of the "young,angry, and humiliated men". Besides, the perps of 9-11 were educated middle class men. I wish the media would stop repeating that trope about all Muslim terrorists being young, angry and humiliated. It's clear from any examination of the facts,that these men committed jihad in order to go get those virgins.

OOOPS, Sorry
I thought this thread was about Barak's decline in the polls.


W/O=

Biggest Threat to US
Islamic terrorism is indeed a threat which will haunt us for decades.
We should, however, give top priority to our biggest immediate threats and those are domestic.
The current Presidential campaign shows us that a significant number of our population is leaning towards socialistic issues and this can destroy our economy and culture relatively quickly.
Our greatest threats : NEA and our entire educational system including our Ivy League Universities.
California is a pretty good example of the results liberal administrations can cause : it's bankrupt, financially, economically, morally and spiritually, with a credit rating on a par with that of Bolivia!

But after reading the column
I can't help but think that no matter the eventual outcome for the ACTUAL most hated man in America (despite the extreme BDS of the X-treme Left) he will achieve martyrdom among the Islamo-facists.
400 years from now there will be yet another Muslim Holy War and that crowd will remember fondly the deeds of their devils.


W/O=

Better to "encounter" binladen
than to bring him to trial!

he should still be a target.
There has been a good deal of disussion among Muslim clerics and scholars about Al Qaeda, especially its penchant for killing civilians(as on 9/11).

Al Qaeda has come under alot of criticism from the Islamic world for that(killing of civilians), along with killing other Muslims.

Maybe Bin Laden's time has come and gone, but having him live out his final days surrounded by adoring tribes in the borderless area between Pakistan and Afghanistan is not a particularly harsh punishment.

I would hope we could do better than that.

Excellent
I'm going to e-mail this to everyone I know. Very informative. Thank you.

Slow Rot??
I would wager that Bin Laden isn't in Pakistan at all. I bet he's Hiding out in Ft. Lauderdale, Fl.-[At the "Thunderbird Flea Market and Swap Shop"]- Supporting himself by selling "Made In Pakistan" swords, daggers and other assorted Edged Weapons. I hear that you can't buy a cola, or cup of coffee there, without being able to speak Arabic, Pharsee, or a Hindu dialect

AynRandLives
Excellent point about Muslim terrorists and the propaganda our media puts out about the nature of these terrorists. The mastermind of the 9/11 plot, Khalid Sheik Mohammed, we should remember, was allowed to pursue an engineering degree here in the US (at North Carolina A&T, as I recall). America afforded him the opportunity to gain an education to make a good living for himself; look at what he did with it instead. Mr. Atta, as most of us know by now, was freed from an Israeli jail for his role in an attack on a bus in Tel Aviv in 1986 that killed Israeli civilians as a result of pressure put on Israel by Bill Clinton's Secretary of State Warren Christopher: look at how he showed his gratitude to the United States. And Al-Qaeda has the ability to use the Internet to send encrypted messages and set up web sites. These aren't the kind of activities that are performed by illiterate goat-herders from the Muslim world; these are the kind of activities being done by educated people with salable skills who could be using those skills to make a productive living rather than in the cause of terrorism. Which goes to show that the involvement in terrorism of people such as these is NOT born out of poverty or lack of opportunity: it is ideological in nature.


Liberals Playing Games
Liberals' blathering about getting OBL is nothing more than another of their feeble swipes at GWB. Further it reveals their illogical emotionalism, lack of any grasp of real history and lack of gratitude for the only President who has done anything effective in the war against Islamic terrorists.
The war has been going on since the mid-1970s, for about 35 years through 7 Presidencies. It is the current resurgence of Islam among a few in the history of Islam since its founding in the 7th century with the aim of taking over the world for Allah - a worldwide caliphate.
Getting OBL is no more important than it was to get Hitler, Tojo or Mussolini during WWII. Hitler committed suicide as the Russians closed on Berlin from the East, the other Allies from the West. Tojo was tried, convicted and executed after Japan was defeated. Mussolini's own people executed him.
The days of capturing the King to win a war were long since gone by then, left only in the board game of chess. And that's where Liberals are in their emoting - playing at games while realistic people braver than them protect them from the evil of Islamic jihadists.
Except against military and diplomatic volunteers there have been no attacks on US people, interests and facilities anywhere in the world since 9/11, the latter a part of the Clinton legacy of his ineptitude.
If Liberals were able to think rather only emote they would be grateful to GWB for protecting them with his administration's actions and policies. They are not grateful however but rather childish ingrates.
Their leaders work against efforts to win in the war brought to the world by Islamic jihadists since the mid-1970s. That is why they are not trusted with national defense.

amazement.
I never thought I'd see the day when Bush defenders would sink to such depths as to assert it is unimportant to capture or kill the man who was responsible for billions of dollars of damage to our nation, destroying the lives of thousands of Americans.

I guess Bin Laden gets a pass.

Who knows if there had been more attacks from Al Qaeda if Gore had been president on 9/11, instead of Bush?

I think it quite likely that 9/11 would have occurred whether Gore or Bush had been president on 9/11, for neither the Clinton nor Bush administration had made destroying Al Qaida a top priority.

I am willing to blame the Clinton administration for not understanding the nature of the threat.

It was negligent, and never forcefully responded to the repeated attacks overseas on our facilities and vessels.

Where I lose respect for Bush supporters is in their refusal to hold Bush's feet to the fire on this threat.

It is like he gets a pass.

Bush was in office 8 months before 9/11 occurred, yet Bush National Security chief, Condi Rice, testified that in the 8 months from when Bush assumed office to 9/11, she convened 33 meetings with fellow national security officials, and not one of them dealt specifically with the threat posed by Al Qaida.

John Ashcroft, Bush's attorney general, cut the counterintelligence budget(within the Dept. of Justice)in fiscal year 2002 by 23% from its previous year.

Bush administration was as blase over this threat as was Clinton.

And the winner is...
Osama Bin Laden

Pesenting the Loser...
George Bush.

jayhawk
Yeah, it takes a lot of courage on the part of Osama Bin Laden to attack unarmed civilians, doesn't it? Take a look at where Al Qaeda terrorists have struck from 9/11/2001 on: at installations where they weren't likely to be encountering armed opposition. Only in the mind of someone with a paralyzing case of BDS is that considered "courage".

And since when is the President of the United States responsible for protecting the citizens of other countries on THEIR home soil? If the Spanish and British and any other European governments are unable - or unwilling - to stand up to the Islamists in their midsts, then that's THEIR responsibility, not George Bush's.

At least when the Japanese hit Pearl Harbor, although it WAS a sneak attack, they were at least attacking an installation with people who in theory could shoot back, and in point of fact, that's exactly what the Japanese were expecting: they thought they might easily take 20%+ casualties in the attack.

Osama Bin Laden at one point HAD courage, I'll give him that: even though he was a multi-millionaire, he went to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan and put his life on the line for what he believed - and to boot, he was fighting people able to shoot back. But since the 1990's, he has eschewed true combat for murder. You say he HAS courage: I say he HAD courage as a much younger man, but the Osama Bin Laden of today is definitely NOT a person I'd credit with ANY courage. If you believe otherwise, I'd like to be a fly in the wall where you were if you heard that your whole family had just been murdered in an Al Qaeda attack on a civilian target and see if you'd be saying THEN that this is a man of courage.

Go see some mental health specialists: your advanced case of BDS is rotting your mind like a poison.

Standshisground wrote, to Jayhawk...
"Yeah, it takes a lot of courage on the part of Osama Bin Laden to attack unarmed civilians, doesn't it?"

That doesn't even completely plumb the depths of Bin Laden's cowardice. HE doesn't attack unarmed civilians. He sends SOMEONE ELSE to attack unarmed civilians. He is a coward of the highest degree.

The Article Explain Bush's Strategy Well
Yes, I also thought this is a great article.
Could it be that Geo Bush had the best strategy right from the start of his first term, and he just could not publicize his method or it would not have worked as well as it has? That is not only a possibility, it is looking likely. But because of the silence national security, we may never know. The outcome (of OBL, Al-Sadr and others becoming so marginalized to their own constituencies in only a few years because the USA did nothing to martyr them) would have been unimaginable to us at the middle of the first Bush term. There are several hundred years more left to play out. Who was it that said we should love our enemy?

"The Hollywood finale
... to 9-11 would have U.S. special forces dragging a chained bin Laden from his hideout, the frightened wannabe Caliph squinting in the harsh sunlight."

no, the Hollywood finale would have U.S. special forces dragging a chained George Bush from the White House to face a firing squad in front of the Lincoln Memorial, then welcome bin Laden as America's leader and new savior!

Quote from none

"The Hollywood finale
... to 9-11 would have U.S. special forces dragging a chained bin Laden from his hideout, the frightened wannabe Caliph squinting in the harsh sunlight."

"no, the Hollywood finale would have U.S. special forces dragging a chained George Bush from the White House to face a firing squad in front of the Lincoln Memorial, then welcome bin Laden as America's leader and new savior!"


I would have to agree that that sounds exactly like something Hollywood would produce.
What is more likely to happen in the real world, however, is that Osama will see the election of Obama as a golden opportunity to resume his theatrical, but deadly, jihad.

tominorlando 8:16pm
I doubt Bin Laden has the strength to carry out what you said:

"What is more likely to happen in the real world, however, is that Osama will see the election of Obama as a golden opportunity to resume his theatrical, but deadly, jihad."

Last reports indicate that he has severe kidney problems, requiring dialysis. IF he is still alive, he is probably in a cave in Northern Pakistan and receiving "whole blood" transfers on a daily basis.

However, the rest of the command structure of Al-Qaida might be able to do some "mischief" if the US allows it.

To standshisground
Minor correction sir; The Atta who was imprisoned in Israel, released and killed again
was not the Atta of 9-11.

Other than that, no argument with your points.

Oilpatch Mercenary
Thanks for correcting my error. This is what I had seen reported shortly after 9/11, that the Atta who was part of 9/11 was the same guy that was part of the attack on the Israeli bus, and to date I had never seen anything that said differently, so I had assumed it was established fact. But if not, I stand corrected.

If you libs could..
but muster and redirect even a small fraction of that irrational hatred of Bush you have towards the people that actually hate America and want to destroy not just it, but the modern Western world we know, we would have by now dissuaded these fanatics from continuing their Jihad.

It is telling how your anger is always directed at people you feel will not buy into your idiotic concept that you know best and that more collectivism is what we need, while you are always making excuses for the most evil and vile people around.

I swear that if GWB tomorrow invented a cure for prostate cancer the left would ignore that and demonize him for not curing breast or some other cancer.

The only failure here is the abject failure from you leftists to figure out that the reason the world is such a bad place is your ideological desire to buy sympathy by showing weaknesses, guilt, and false sympathy to our enemies while standing up to the very people that give you the security needed to help out the enemy. But keep pretending you are noble and well meaning you fools.

Resurgence of Islam, Corrupt Governments
There have been some comments regarding the propping up of Corrupt Middle Eastern governments and the resurgence of Fundamentalist Islam. Below are my thoughts:

1. The United States did support an unpopular, undemocratic government in Iran for many years. There is a good chance the ‘Islamic Revolution’ in Iran would never had happened if we had not done this.

2. Islamic religious fervor in both Iraq and Iran is declining. I’ve read several articles on this, including the recent National Geographic Article on Iran. Young people in both countries are becoming increasingly jaded and disillusioned with religious fundamentalism. In Iran, ancient Persian and Zoroastrian customs are becoming more and more vogue among the rising generation.

3. In Iraq we are currently propping up a democratically elected government, which, by Iraqi standards, is somewhat less corrupt than you would normally expect.

4. The fact that we buy oil from, and sell weapons to (at regular prices), Middle Eastern dictatorships like the Saudi Arabia and Kuwait does NOT constitute propping up those regimes. We apply economic embargos on nations that are directly funding terrorism or that are massacring their own people in large numbers. By the standards of history, this is pretty good (and better than many nations). To expect a whole lot more is to hold the US to a standard that (though noble) has not yet been achieved by any nation in history.

5. For young, angry Muslims to blame their problems on the fact that the United States had not yet adopted such a fantastically idealistic standard (see number 4) is counter-productive for Muslims and disguises much of the true problem, of which the attitude of Arab and Persian leaders toward government, corruption, tribalism, and favoritism have played a huge role.

Bin Laden is Dead!
and Bush did not give Al-Q the benefit of a funeral. We have continued to hunt down terrorists long after Oscar Bin Laden has been gone and our world is a safer place for it.
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