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Thursday, August 09, 2007
Ashley Herzog :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Self Esteem Myth
by Ashley Herzog
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Once upon a time – a time you probably don’t remember if you’re younger than 30 – American schools sought to teach children self-control, personal responsibility, and respect for others, especially adults. Students were corrected when they made mistakes and reprimanded when they slacked off or talked back. Most unfathomable to the current education establishment, teachers assessed students on qualities such as “gets along well with others” – and some children actually flunked. In the eyes of schoolteachers and parents, shaping kids into productive and responsible citizens was more important than protecting their egos.

Then, sometime in the 1970s, schools began to embrace the peculiar notion that kids should never be criticized or feel self-doubt. The “self-esteem” movement was born – and ushered in a generation of kids who think they can do no wrong.

In her new book, “Generation Me: Why Today’s Young Americans Are More Confident, Assertive, Entitled – And More Miserable than Ever Before,” Dr. Jean Twenge documents the spectacular failure of the self-esteem movement, from its birth in the 1970s to the present. Despite enthusiastic predictions to the contrary, raising kids’ self-esteem does not make them more successful or productive. It does, however, train them to always feel good about themselves, even when they do bad things.

Twenge makes clear the difference between self-esteem and self-respect. Self-respect – a value taught to older generations – is achieved gradually, by behaving morally and accomplishing things. Self-esteem is an entitlement. As Twenge explains, “most [self-esteem] programs encourage children to feel good about themselves for no particular reason.”

Is that really such a bad thing? According to Twenge, who spent years researching the subject, the answer is yes. Numerous studies show basically no relationship between high self-esteem and academic achievement, strong work ethic, or harmonious relationships with others.

In fact, Twenge’s research suggests that the self-esteem movement has wreaked havoc on schools. Instead of teaching children to learn from their mistakes, “There has been a movement against ‘criticizing’ children too much…One popular method tells teachers not to correct students’ spelling or grammar, arguing that kids should be ‘independent spellers’ so they can be treated as ‘individuals.’”

Elementary school students spend hours creating “All About Me” projects and reading books titled “Everyone Is Special,” but less time learning basic skills. Unsurprisingly, Twenge notes, “American children scored very highly when asked how good they were at math. Of course, their actual math performance is merely mediocre, with other countries’ youth routinely outranking American children.”

Grade inflation is appallingly high, as schools pass out good grades in order to avoid bruised egos. As Twenge reports, “In 2004, 48 percent of American college freshmen – almost half – reported earning an A average in high school, compared to only 18 percent in 1968, even though SAT scores decreased over the same period.” Students often demand good grades for substandard work, and their parents act as reinforcements: “Teachers described parents who specified that their children were not to be corrected or ‘emotionally upset,’ who argued incessantly about grades, and even one father who…challenged a teacher to a fistfight.”

Of course, children have no motivation to work harder when their schools outlaw competition and celebrate mediocrity. Many schools now refuse to publish the honor roll, since it might hurt the self-esteem of students who didn’t make the grade. According to the touchy-feely pop psychology of the current education establishment, recognizing high achievers is unnecessary and cruel. Twenge offers an example: “11-year-old Kayla was invited to the math class pizza party, even though she managed only a barely passing 71. The pizza parties used to be only for children who made A’s, but in recent years the school has invited every child who simply passed.”

While the self-esteem movement hasn’t made children any smarter, it has made them more self-centered, manipulative, and indulgent. Cheating in schools is on the rise, with 74 percent of high school students admitting to cheating in 2002. The link to the self-esteem movement is clear: if everyone deserves to feel good regardless of how they behave, why should a student feel bad about stealing a copy of the final exam? It doesn’t mean he’s a bad person. The self-esteem movement has indeed had enormous effects on children born since the 1970s – and almost none of them are good. The California Task Force to Promote Self-Esteem and Personal and Social Responsibility spent a quarter-billion dollars trying to raise Californians’ self-esteem, only to find that it had no effect on teen pregnancy, juvenile delinquency, drug abuse, or chronic welfare dependency. On the other hand, people with high self-esteem tend to be unwilling to take responsibility for their own failures and bad behavior.

There is one personality trait that is definitely linked to achievement, and that is self-control. Although “discipline” and “obedience” have become dirty words in the education establishment, people with high levels of self-control are the most likely to succeed. They earn higher grades and finish more years of education, and they’re less likely to abuse drugs or have children out of wedlock. As Twenge says, “Self-control predicts all of those things researchers had hoped self-esteem would, but hasn’t.”

This short column cannot do justice to Twenge’s meticulously researched and revealing book. However, it’s a must-read for parents and teachers who hope to unravel the myth of self-esteem.

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Another reason schools want abstinence
OUT and Creation or ID OUT.

Someone/thing (GOD) is more powerful than any puny person. Or that we have to answer to a 'higher power.' Can't have that!

And abstinence and "Promise" programs that encourage young people to wait for marriage are TOTALLY AGAINST the 'feel good now' teaching.

Might this ALSO explain the rise in juvenile crime??? Especially with girls as the perps??


WOW!!
You mean the things our parents told us were true?

Hard work and self-control really matter?

The Bible actually isn't full of sh**?

It's funny how well-received time-worn wisdom becomes when it becomes "rediscovered," or proved- again and again- by the most recent social science data. It then gets forgotten, falls out of favor again, and then gets -what else? - REDISCOVERED!

Thanks for the review, Ashley


Wait til they are in charge
The increasing concern of Generation Whine about the retirement en masse of the Baby Boom is, I think, at heart a beginning of the misgivings they have about their ability to handle the job. (Not to mention their unwillingness.) The rising members of Generation Whine are currently being saved from the consequences of their ignorant self-esteem by competent secretaries and research assistants who were schooled by Nuns with Guns or their equivalent, and to some degree by spell check and the ignorance of their fellows. When the competent Help starts retiring, then they start noticing first that there is no one replacing them, and second that the people they can convince to take their seats are incapable and ignorant too and on top of that are not interested in working any harder than they are themselves. Then comes the day the Electronic Binkie fails....

Watching a modern lawyer try to work without e-mail is a pitiful experience; and watching them try to cope with less and less help as competent, well educated secretaries and assistants retire, is both alarming and amusing. Just think of yourself dealing with Customer Service, which specializes in hiring people who cannot speak or understand English, every day of your life. Think of a secretary who can't point out to you that ingenious and ingenuous are different words, who hears the word plexiglass and types pixie glass, who not only can't read your handwriting but can't figure out words that are horribly mangled ... who cannot take a telephone message or even write it down, and who cannot read anything back to you that you have dictated.

A well dressed, confident go-getter with a bubbly personality who cannot read, write, spell, punctuate, speak coherent English or deal with emergencies. That is what you have to look forward to. Hope you enjoy it. Glad I don't have to.

Generation Whine.

AudiR10... well said. The evidence is all around us.

Sad.

Audi10
I've been dealing with that for years in my company.

I came from the hungry 80's generation into the workforce. While they were laying off hundreds of seasoned and long time employees, my generation was hired to take the place of them. It was a bitter phase, but we worked hard and kept up and dealt with it.

Today, I see and work with the new hires of Generation Whine. Their resumes are plumped but their real experience is thin.

Ever try to convince an employee who answers the phone to kindly try not to use MTV Crib-Speak while talking to our customers? Little white suburbia kids feel it's appropriate to sound like Snoop Dog or Queen Latifa when dealing with anyone professionally.

Coming in on time in simply an option for them. If traffic is always bad, if they need to stop off to pick up their breakfast on the way to work, it's not their fault that they can't make it in on time--rather than waking up and get ready 30 minutes earlier than normal.

As far as work and earning their hourly salary? Forget it. We work on an 80/20 ratio. They refuse to contribute, which makes up the 80% and the rest of us who are older and actually care about our jobs pick up the load.

The other thing I see, because I refuse to speak like Whitney Houston on crack and because I actually use my time in the office to actually work, I am shunned by them. I am only 39, I have been to 43 Grateful Dead shows and hung out with one of the drummers, I was considered in my day a cool and hip person. I grew up. However to Generation Whine, it's people like me who are considered the devil and not worthy of being treated with respect and professional courtesy. I go into my department practically ignored each day. Why? Because I refuse to coddle and celebrate them for their weaknesses.

Electronic Binkies failing!
What next!?! ;)

Like AudiR10 I went to school in the 60's and graduated early 70's. Even before the self esteem movement picked up steam it was pretty evident that high school kids could not handle even the slightest loosening of disciplinary bonds. Just the relaxation of the dress code and the ability to smoke in the "Senior Room" turned us into a bunch of gimme, gimme, gimme brats.

I see to it every day that I counter the effects of the self esteem movement on my son. Unfortunately I seem to be one of only a few parents who does.

Plus...
Sadly, this attitude has effected the sports world too. Youth sports that don't keep score, rules that dictate that everyone plays regardless of ability and parents who make demands of the coaches and become violent when little "Johnny" doesn't get to play quarterback.

It started in the '70's and unfortunately, a lot of us from that era are being even more indulgent.

My wife deals with this crap
all of the time.

She is a teacher, and you would not believe the stories from fellow teachers and the parents that reinforce this column (well done by the way).

My wife has actually had conferences with parents and administrators over a child EARNING a 'B'. A 'B'......not a C, not a D.....a B!

Forget about the fact that a B is still above average with some room for improvement. It's unbelievable.

By the same token she works with teachers that will openly admit that a child needs help or is a problem....right up to the point when grades come out and then everything is "fine." There goes my wife again for another conference because not everything is "fine."

She caught a kid cheating last year. She reprimanded the kid....you know what the parent did? Goes into my wife's classroom after school and proceeds to ask my wife what SHE did to make her child cheat! True story.....If I raise my kid like that, I want to be arrested for child abuse.

Dean
I coached a my buddy's son's basketball team this past winter....WOW! Now it was a church league so it wasn't that "serious." But by the same token I thought the kids should learn some things about the game and sportsmanship etc.

These were 12 yr olds.....Do you know I couldn't get one of these kids to pay attention. No attention span at all. You know what a parent told me when I lamented this fact. "Well, they're boys and they're only 12 years old."

Only 12 years old? RU kidding me. We were turning double plays in t-ball (not well, but we were doing it). There is no discipline anymore.

I had one who was a good athlete and a big kid....Cried if he got two fouls called on him. I don't think anyone has EVER told him no. He turned out to be a good kid, but crying about a bad call?

all in favor of self-esteem
I'm all in favor of self-esteem for kids. I also know that the only way to achieve it is through accomplishment. I can take a 12 year old kid and put him up in the hay loft for one hot afternoon and by the end of the day he'll be more sweaty than he knew a person could be, he'll be absolutely dog-tired, and he may even hate hay bales and any animal that causes them to be made and stored but he will know what he is capable of doing and he will be proud of that. No amount of namby-pamby "oh what a good boy you are" can replace honest achievement, whether that achievement is a hard physical task done well, a difficult mental exercise understood and solved, or just the discipline and perseverance to get a tedious task done completely and well. Common sense folks have known this all along. Explain to me once again why we turned the raising of our children over to the lack-of-common-sense crowd? Ultimately, the parents must assume responsibility for how children are raised. If we, as taxpayers, abrogate our responsibility of child-rearing to the "no-standards-for-fear-of-harming-the-delicate-psyche-of-our-precious-children" crowd we are doubly culpable. First for entrusting our children's value sysem to somebody other than ourselves and second for hiring and allowing to remain employed those folks who undermine the real education of our children.

Self-esteem and crime
You might also see Dr. Stanton E. Samenow's 'Inside the Criminal Mind', hated by the "root causes" crowd, respected by law enforcement and corrections personnel.

Basically, criminals are the most selfish individuals you'll ever meet. Everthing is about Me and my gratification to them - but they've got great self-esteem!

http://members.cox.net/samenow/index.html

Missing parents
One of the big problems is that so many parents are MIA. They are letting the schools raise the kids. I was born in 1973, so I'm one of the earlier of this bunch, BUT my folks made sure I knew where the lines were at all times. Schools may be failing our kids, but so are a bunch of the parents. They should be the ones raising the kids - if they are not, then that is neglect - plain and simple. FYI - A new book is coming out on 8/21 - 50 Rules Kids Won't Learn in School. It looks to be interesting and right on target.

Cult Trad
Funny I was born in '71 and I agree with you 100%. As do many of my friends that are our age.

What happened?

You're also right about the schools. I can speak from first hand experience, parents expect to do it all for them. It's incredible. The politicians love it though.

spelling
Has anyone else been appalled at the spelling evident in the "communication" industry?
The "crawl" under most news shows is so often badly misspelled that I stop watching.
Even news magazines, newspapers,captions, and articles are routinely mangled.
Spell check is no help without context- and today's"communicators" don't seem to understand- or care about the differences between they're, their, and there.
UGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Phil
You just scared the hell out of me. I had to go back to my posts to be sure that I used they're, their, and there in the proper context.

Your right though. Yes, I know you're right, but in the spirit of your post I couldn't resist.

public school is useless
my experience is different with the public school system.

they do not want to teach. they would rather pass a kid to the next level instead of work with them to improve and actually learn. it is hard to believe that they get paid for the poor job that is done. we had to push to get our kid held back because he did not know the subject matter well enough to move on.

it came down to the kids going to school to waste their time and then coming home so i could actually teaching them.

i have a background in math, science and engineering and am appalled at the incompetence of many of the math/science teachers. many were put into subjects that they were not qualified to teach.

imo...
...if the culture is breaking down, and the majority of young people are undisciplined semi-literate selfish sociopaths, which seems to be the suggestion here, there have to be lots of reasons, not just the self-esteem movement. I think to SOME degree, there is a bit of Chicken Little stuff going on in this thread. People have always thought that the generation that comes after them is disrespectful, slothful, overly-indulgent, etc. Human nature, however, simply is what it is, and it's unchanging. There will always be the same mix of ambitious, unambitious, respectful, disrespectful, caring, uncaring, etc, as long as there are human beings.

That said, the culture does seem to be on a downslide, but there must be many (additional) causes of that, not simply pop psychology.

moses & elong
elong - I think parents began focusing more on their careers than on their families. I know a bunch did it because they wanted to improve their family's "lot" in life, but it is turning around to bite them. They've risen in "lot" but fallen in inner strength & fortitude.

moses - This is why my family is working so hard to keep the kids in our house in private school. We are allowed to be more involved in WHAT they are taught and HOW they are taught.

Life is not fair, and if the kids do not learn this in a smaller way when they are young, the world is going to really hurt them when they grow up and have to face reality. The "I'm okay - you're okay" philosophy does not work - it makes people less likely to take responsibility and, in the long run, will make them unhappy.

and btw...
...aren't young people becoming more and more prolife? So they can't be all THAT horrific.

moses
I take your point on the public schools, but read my earlier post.

My wife is a teacher, and I'm telling you parents have changed! I won't even get into the bureaucracy that runs the schools that in many cases tie the hands of the teacher.

Did you know that in most school systems that if the teachers want to hold a kid back a grade to get caught up, and the parent says no, the kid has to be passed along. That's a problem with the system not the teacher.

Don't get me wrong my wife works with her fair share of knuckle heads! But isn't it the parents responsibility to help their kid learn how to deal with adversity?

Celtic Cross- Good post. Great point.

Rob
Great stuff!

this generation
of "no spanking" or "no insulting" or "no bad feelings" (aka "no child abuse") is also perfectly fine with abortion. The ultimate child abuse. God help us all.
Our 3 kids were in grade school when "inventive spelling" came into vogue. I fought it tooth and nail, and was basically told to "shut up." See how well that worked out for our kids?
I definitely put the onus on the parents. So many have willingly given their children over to the day cares and schools. I know many parents who were very well off financially and openly admitted that being home all day with their kids would have driven them nuts. I grew up in the late 50's and 60's to faith filled parents. I got spankings and, having 4 brothers and 2 sisters, not much attention. Certainly no "perks"--not even my own bed! But my dad worked full time at a factory and part time in real estate and my mom stayed home. I definitely knew the value of a dollar. I also knew the value of rituals and traditions and appreciated "treats" and my one gift at Christmas. I admit that we tried to provide much more to our children than my husband or I had--but the one thing that never goes out of style is a strong faith in God. Our 3 grown daughters are all passing that on...knowing everyone is loved equally by God provides the best self esteem.

Don't forget political correctness....
I disagree with Ms. Herzog on one point: the self esteem has not been in a vaccuum. The self esteem has been taught within the context of political correctness, within the realm of political ideologies and such.

It always was -- children were told to be proud that they were Americans, to be proud of the fact that they went to church and that they did good things (Boy Scouts, etc).

And it always was in the context of personal accomplishments too.

But do not think that this comes now independent of personal accomplishments. Only the accomplishments are different: how politically correct are you....

celticcross
While it may be true that each generation complains about the slovenly habits of the following generation, look at where it's gotten us today. If you go backwards you'll have to agree that each generation was more educated, more responsible, more courteous, well-spoken, than the generation that came after. I mean, even the early hippies of the mid 60's were well spoken and educated and showed respect towards elders. Little by little, each generation gets worse, until we reach the day when, well, I don't even want to think about it. And to think people today call the people of the 1700's, or 1400's, primitive!

As far as spelling, wouldn't it be great if Microsoft included a program that melts any computer in which the user spells amateur "amature" and lose "loose"? That would rid the world of 90% of illiterates right there!

We live in a gilded age...
and Gen Y (those born after 1982) have never known even a recession. They were, at most, 11 years old when the last recession ended in 1991 and they have no more rememberance of that than my generation (Gen X) had of Vietnam, Watergate and segregation.

They have never known want, they have never had to fall back and have something to fall back on.
Unlike my generation, whose parents were children of the depression, their baby-boomer parents entered the workforce in good times and didn't worry about their children getting a job.
Nor need they have, there would always be something for them.

Gen Y is very much like the "Flapper" generation. This gilded age is very much like the last one. And gilded ages end. Suddenly.

And Gen Y is going to fall, and fall fast, and find that it is a very very very long way down.

If a couple of inches of rain can create the mess in NYC that it did yesterday - and a couple of inches of rain on the Atlantic seaboard is not unheard of when a hot/humid air mass clears - then what will a hurricane do? When (not if) it goes in there, like it did in 1938?

Gotta wonder what Gen Y will eat....

Correction
I should have said explodes instead of melts.

cultural traditionalist/elong
i agree,
we try to emphasize that if they are not prepared they will fail. when they do not, the kids feel that they can get away with it. it undermines the life lessons that they need to know.

that is why we do a lot of homeschooling in addition with the public school. the kids know that i know what they know.

it is interesting. we learn from math books from the 30's. they learned a lot of maunual methods for square roots, etc that most students need calculators to solve.




square roots?
They need calculators to figure out how much change to give back on a dollar for a 93 cent purchase!

P.S.
For those of you who support the self esteem movement, the answer is 7 cents.

Having worked
as a social worker in schools for over 30 years, I saw the slow transition to being concerned what students learned to how they feel. For School Improvement goals, rasing self esteem took the place of improving reading and math.

The outcome has been companies who have to hire a worker to applaud and send ballons, and "atta boy" notes to the young workers of today who need constant feedback.

Let's not forget...

Could it be that the self-esteem movement was started by selfless teachers that didn't want their teaching skills criticized?

"Judge Not, Lest Ye Be Judged"

Education & Self Esteem
I have to agree with AudiR10...I'm a secretary...oh, sorry...Admin Assistant, don't want to hurt my own self esteem. Anyway, the new hires I have dealt with recently can't add without a calculator, their spelling is atrocious, and the letters that they compose should not be sent to clients. And these are the ones with college educations.

How much self esteem will these individuals have when passed over for promotions or their work is constantly criticized?

loco
Working for a company owned by a much larger company with a pretty "chilly" corporate culture, I always tell young and more experienced people that if "you're looking for a pat on the butt, go join a flag football team 'cause you're not gonna get one here!"

What ever happened to just doing your job because uh....IT'S YOUR JOB!

Such an accurate article!
I worked as a principal at an alternative high school for over 3 years, and this article has nailed the complete truth about impaired parents, their progeny, and the dysfunctional public school system. I have many, many examples to support this column, but one would suffice to highlight the theme:

One 16 year old miscreant again decided to create his usual classroom chaos. The school did their usual "punishments" for his 45 prior offenses (yes, 45), but his behavior had not changed a bit. To him and his like-minded associates, school was a social gathering place and a victim pool, and the adults in charge were weak.

I called his parents in and when they demanded to know if I had previously threatened to permanently throw him out of school (as jr. told them), I said, "of course, he's a chronic nuisance". The mother screamed, "that doesn't make him feel good!!!"

Daddy tried to threaten me with physical harm, but that fell flat when I implied that he could proceed.

This kid soon after garnered a felony charge for aggravated assault which finally made the administration allow me to kick him out.

The taxpayer gives students bus rides to school, it gives them free materials to include equipment, pencils and even paper. It will feed them breakfast and lunch for free if they can't afford it, and it finances a feel-good philosphy that cultivates a form of mental illness. And there is no end in sight.


And the effect on our nation is . . .
I've spent the last 40 years working in senior management positions if health care. I've always been responsible for the HR function, even when it was not my exact job title simply because it is my under graduate major and it was my first job out of college.

As a senior operations manager, I spent a day every month or two interviewing job applicants because my teachers had warned me not to loose touch with what was going on in the organization and I listened when they warned me. I also often spent an hour or two sitting in the waiting room pretending to read magazines while listening to the conversations to get their complaints about how they were being treated. They won't tell you those things face to face but when they think no one is listening, it will come out. I also called, or had someone call my own office once a month as I listened on the phone to how my staff handled calls. It is amazing how many executives have no idea how their staff can make an image of them even before the caller has the opportunity to talk to them.

The job interviews were always an eye opened for me. I saw the coming ethics dilemma long before it became obvious with executives of major corporations going to jail. The job applicants lied on their applications. If a person lies to you before they get a job, what do you think they are going to do after they get it? These same people are now in every organization in America. Can you trust any of them?


...but they won't be passed over....
> Parrothead writes: How much self esteem
> will these individuals have when passed
> over for promotions or their work is
> constantly criticized?

But they WON'T be passed over for promotions because they say all the right things and belong to all the right causes and care so very much about all the things one must be concerned about.

Competence - whatever.

The bottom line - whatever.

The success of the operation - whatever.

It is going to take the bottom falling out of both the public and private sectors before those making the hiring/promotion decisions realize that *their* jobs and *their* toys are on the line and that if the whole ship goes down, they get wet too.

Lets face it, if the people with the power in the organization mandated that everyone hired meet some basic competency level, consequences be dam*ed, it would happen. They likely would get a discrimination suit or two, but that could be dealt with, if they wanted to. And you might see a hiring skills exam, you might see a different attitude from personnel (or both) but you would see a change.

It is the old folks who are responsible for this. Perhaps those over 50 might wish to comment on how an "all our girls start in the secretarial pool" policy kept women out of some organizations back then -- imagine how a "no-piercing/no-tatto" policy would work now?

All I am saying is that those who set policy and do the hiring / promotion have power and have made decisions (possibly by default) to accept this. And political correctness, not competence, will continue to be the basis for promotions until the very bottom falls out.


Trust them part two . . .
When I retired last year, I went to the local high school and asked the principal if any of his students had ever completed a job application, made a resume or CV, or if they had even been to a job interview. He answered no. I asked him what he was doing with those students and he said he has preparing them for the "tomorrow's job market." I asked how he thought he was doing that when so many students come to organizations with no skills to apply for a job and I offered to conduct a mock job interview with students so that they could at least know what a job interview was all about. He declined saying that I had no "teaching credentials" even though I have an MBA and have been teaching others for 40 years. I suggested that he get someone with the credentials to do it, but he said that was not a state department of education requirement and he was not going to do it.

Is it any wonder that we have students at both the high school and college level who are so ill-prepared to conduct a job search? Is it any wonder that all they have is a false sense of self-esteem? What has always puzzled me is how they have such a high self-esteem when they can't complete a job application without spelling errors and can't complete a job interview without it becoming very clear that they do not know anything or have any job skills useful to the organization. It amazes me that they don’t understand why we don’t hire them as if they think we can afford to pay them to do nothing and know nothing. But then, when we look at our national political leaders, how many of them can be said to set a good example in that respect? Indeed, who are the role models for young students today and are they what we need for "tomorrow's job market?"

And when employers TELL applcs to lie???
Black Prince writes: The job applicants lied on their applications. If a person lies to you before they get a job, what do you think they are going to do after they get it? These same people are now in every organization in America. Can you trust any of them?
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I can top this! As an *applicant* for a position, a potential employer instructed me to misappropriate my current employer's resources, to whit their fax machine. The worst part was when he said that he would send it 'right away' so that I could grab it before anyone saw it coming in.

I couldn't believe this. Taking a personal call at work is a grey area - I had a floating lunch/break time, and receiving a personal fax at work moreso, but to deliberately deceive the employer in the process?!? Needless to say, I didn't drive out for that interview...

And I think what will come out of the MN Bridge Collapse (and Boston's Big Dig) is a long line of people who were told to lie and/or ignore things that shouldn't be ignored. Forget Enron, all they did was steal money, some of the things I am thinking of are likely to cause fatalities.

BTW: the Big Dig tunnel is now gone beyond leaking a *million* gallons of salt water *per day* and now is closer to something like 1.7MG/D! As Christy Milhos (who was fired for raising concerns during construction) said on the radio yesterday, salt water isn't particuarlly good for concrete and steel rebar. (All of the Big Dig is below Boston's high tide line, most below the low tide line, in land which was filled in during past centuries.)

Forget a 0.3 mile bridge collapse, think a 2 mile tunnel suddenly filling with water. And some people will think of running to the escape hatches and maybe making it, but most won't....
Maybe it will talk something like this to clean up the PC/good, competent/bad culture but I still think it will take the bottom falling out.


Mr. Prince
"It amazes me that they don’t understand why we don’t hire them as if they think we can afford to pay them to do nothing and know nothing."

I am a public school teacher. Why are you suprised? They have been passed along from grade K-12 without doing much.


Right On Pirate
Pirate

I got out of HR as a primary occupation exactly because of what you say. It had become a dumping ground for all the “token minorities” in any organization because the operations people did not think HR was an area where they could harm anything. After all , they only had staff authority and had no direct impact on the P & L statement. WRONG!

HR makes critical decisions about the quality of the staff and whether that staff can accomplish the objectives of the organization. Go to most HR departments in most organizations today, especially hospitals, and they are going to be in the basement or out back in a temporary building with poor access and parking. That tells you immediately what senior management thinks about the “personnel office” function. The people inside are going to be lazy, make and receive personal phone calls during the interview with applicants. They are not going to be well dressed, and they are going to be late for the interview. You will not find a competent white male in the place and in fact, you are not likely to find ANY male in the HR office at all.


Part 2
The simple truth is that the HR function in all organizations have a PROFOUND affect on the entire organization from the quality of its services and products to its profitability. If HR hires the wrong people, those people do not accomplish organizational objectives or goals. Yet most organizations pay scant attention to whom they hire. Of course, there are all manner of laws, rules, policies, procedures and guidelines that “govern” whom you can hire today, but most HR types use that as an excuse for not doing their job. I can tell you that if you are in HR and doing your job properly, you should EXPECT at least a half dozen EEOC cases every year and if you don’t have them, you are letting incompetent people into the organization.

But then, when you get paid whether the job is accomplished or not, why bother? Just take the pay check and wait for your retirement and that is exactly what most HR types are doing even as I type and you read this. But do you think anyone would hire someone like me into HR? No way because they KNOW I would require performance and compliance with high, measurable STANDARDS, and they don’t want that because it would upset the apple cart and they are going to have EEOC cases and have their names in the paper and that might interfere with their staying on the job until THEY can retire. It’s all a Ponzi scheme and it begins in the HR office on the first day people are hired.

Self esteem
is nothing we have to be taught. Every human being loves himself and esteems himself. This is plain from the Bible where we are told, "No man ever hated himself, instead he feeds and cares for it." Self-respect is what is lacking, not self-esteem. I have yet to meet a young person who did not think they were the cat's meow. Even those who claim to hate themselves really don't, they just think they are more worthy than the way they are being handled by life.

correction
I just noticed in my Bible quote that I said "he feeds and cares for it" It should be, "he feeds and cares for his body."

Pathetic!
Yes, I hire these self-absorbed preening pin heads as well, sometimes right out of high school. The tenor of the responses by posters on this thread would seem mean and hateful to today’s under thirty crowd. They think I’m over-reacting when I terminate employees for excessive absenteeism or tardiness.

I even had a mother come in to pick up her child’s final pay check after the girl walked off the job because we moved her to a position she didn’t like. The real irony there was, I told the mother I wouldn’t release the check to her without a written note from her daughter. She went away and returned with a note. Pathetic!

rtwgmomma
Recently I was requested to accompany a 17 year old high school senior to a rifle range and give him some basic instruction in firearms. He was a national honors scholar, a football player, and he wanted to make the Marines his life occupation. On the way to the range he told me that Annapolious had contacted him last year and inquired about any interest he may have in attending, but he said he didn’t want to be in the Navy so he did not respond. I asked him where he planned to attend college and he said “the Marine Academy.” I was confused. So I asked him if he was not aware that Annapolis WAS the Marine Academy and he gave me that “blank stare” look. Then he said, “well I guess I should have written them back last year huh?”

In this day when you can go to any computer, and all libraries have them, punch "Marine Academy" into Google and have Annapolis come up, it is absolutely astounding to me that any high school honors student can be that dam dumb. When we arrived at the range, I had to cut the instruction short because he would not listen, did not pay attention, almost dropped my 2500 dollar rifle three times and would have had I not caught it, was unsafe, and continued to point the rifle at me after I had CLEARLY instructed him to keep it pointed down range at all times.

It is just as well that he did not respond to the inquiry from Annapolis because he would last about as long as a snow ball in hell there anyway. I was not an honors scholar in high school but dam if I didn’t know which military academy the Marines came from.

Yep it is the parents
I agree wholeheartedly with those who see the parents as the crucial link. Until a majority of the younger generation decides that they have majority ownership in the process of raising their children, these problems will persist.

I was raised in a family in which my mom didn't work outside of the home until we were all grown. They made ends meet and saved for their retirement on one income. My wife and I felt the same way and although we modified that approach with some part time work - it was always subordinate to the idea that someone would be home when the kids came home from school and at home while they were there. Our kids are grown and are responsible members of society. It can be done but only when parents at large decide that a little sacrifice in material things goes a very long way in successfully raising responsible kids.

Our kids knew that when they got in trouble we would not instinctively side with them but would get both sides and that meant taking the teacher's side many times.

Inventor
A couple years back an article revealed the guy credited with the origin of the "self esteem" movement admitted making up stats to support the theory and get his fad started. I've lost the article. Can anyone point me to it? Thanks

Also I've taught math (and some phyiscs) for 20 years. Administrators are stuck between supporting staff and pleasing parents. I think there are a lot of parents taking there own frustration in the past out on their kid's teachers. Teachers are easy to dictate to so admin. "solves" problems by pleasing the parents.

Enough lack of support and teachers give up. We try to teach but our 1st priority has to be to eat and pay our bills. Go ahead and beat me up over this but standards have to take second place to keeping our jobs and keeping parents and our bosses happy.

Greg the Californian
The way you stop absenteeism and tardiness is to catch the department manager doing it and can him or her. THAT sets the standard for everyone. When employees see their managers slip out early on Friday or come in late Monday, they have every right to think they can do it too.

I always made it a daily thing to be in first and make the coffee. When the staff came in, they KNEW I was there before them and it also gave them the opportunity to talk to me about things informally if they needed to do that. When the boss hands you your cup of coffee in the morning, you tend to have a little better appreciation for the fact that he is there doing his job so he has every right to expect you to do the same thing. I NEVER asked anyone to do anything I wouldn't or couldn't do and everyone knew it. When maintenance didn't clean the office or empty the trash the night before, I already had the vaccuum cleaner out and had started emptying the trash when the staff arrived. They didn't wait to be told to jump in and help when they saw me without my suit coat on, and with my sleves rolled up working.

You can't ask your staff to bend over backwards for you if you are not willing to bend over backwards for them. It's always been a two way street for me, but then, I'm too old fashioned to function in today's modern office setting. Heck, I expect people to come to work and do their job. I even expect them to do the maintenance job if it was not done. How crazy is that?

So telling
Wonderful, content-filled posts here. Thanks to all, especially Black Prince. What an eyeful. I like rtwgmomma's:

"'It amazes me that they don’t understand why we don’t hire them as if they think we can afford to pay them to do nothing and know nothing.'

"I am a public school teacher. Why are you suprised? They have been passed along from grade K-12 without doing much."

Indeed. And as others have asked here, where are the parents? I didn't learn anything that I can remember about getting a job from school. I learned that my first prospective employers would be leery of my lack of experience, and that I shouldn't expect much but should keep my nose clean, work hard, be on time and take initiative -- from my father! As he learned these things from his.

Parents, believe me, you know more than your kids do. All they know how to do is press buttons and make videos play. Teach them, for crying out loud! And to the parents who ARE teaching their kids: God bless you.

a proposal
Ms. Herzog, will you marry me?

mystic7
Once you get past the disgusted phase and decide to be amused, you can learn a lot. I once stood in a Future Shop checkout line watching three teenagers and a calculator try to figure a 20% discount. I am mathematically challenged due to a math handicap akin to dyslexia, but thanks to the Nuns with Guns, even I can figure percentages in my head!

My kids went to Catholic school after nuns ceased to teach there, but they still had the Panopticon detention room -- study carrels facing the wall, and the kid in detention sat facing that wall and worked on his assignments without turning his head to one side or the other, and the supervising teacher sat in the centre of the room (or anyway you thought she did) keeping an eye on everyone. Need a break? Raise your hand and wait to be recognized. Time for lunch? Eat at your study carrel. In silence. One day of that and most kids were ready to rejoin society. Nowadays that would probable be seen as Child Abuse, but it sure did work.

Mediocrity Enshrined
So what else is new? You want a perfect example of the current problems in education? Here's an example. I still live in the same town where I went to high school back in the 60's. The high school was rated the secon best in the state of Illinois in 1967 and one of the top ten nationally. In those days, maybe ten percent of the class made the honor roll. Advanced Placement tests? Four or six students would take them in a given topic - and you had to have been enrolled in an "honors" or "advanced" course even to be eligible to take the test. Today? The honor roll is published every semester in the local paper. Adding the numbers with what are stated class sizes, a minimum of 75% are making the honor roll now. You basically just have to show up for class to get on it. Advanced Placement tests? I read now that there are dozens enrolled in the tests which are now given in EIGHTEEN different subjects! Watering down of standards? You're damn right they've been watered down. And this is consistent with a line of thought that reared its head in the education establishment back in the 80's - students of above-average ability or better were to be punished for their brains - check the professional literature from that time. Now we see the fruit. Even Rome didn't destroy its education system (what there was of it) - our "modern" culture has gone beyond destruction. But the kids do feel good about themselves - right up until they encounter an employer who refuses to tolerate their self-indulgence and mediocrity.

Yep. It's the parents
If the young man who wanted to be in the Marines had a father who knew anything at all about the military, HE could and SHOULD have told his son about the Marines. He should have taught his son about firearms but the boy had never held one in his hands his entire life. How can anyone get to be 17 and not know these things? It is absolutely incredible to me that this can happen and it is exactly why this country is in the situation it is in now.

The thing that REALLY gets me is that this boy's father and mother get to vote. They don't know the Marines from the Army, but they vote on our national security. GEEZUS!!!

Any comments, liberals?
I've never seen a TH column w/o any input from liberal minded posters until now (unless I missed one somewhere). Everyone else has posted great real life experiences demonstrating the failure of these liberal leaning policies. What's so different about this topic than other topics describing obvious failings of liberal ideas/policies? Why won't any liberals defend this?

AudiR10
"nuns with guns."

That's funny! I went through 12 years of parochial school and I can honestly say that the nuns were some of the nicest, holiest people I've ever known. At least, most of them!

BTW
Black Prince, I hope that 17-year-old does end up in the Marines, one way or another. The military is one of the few employers now from which recruits will learn to get over themselves, respect the accountability of their seniors, and work as a team.

In my final years as a Naval officer (I retired in 2004), I found that more and more, new sailors of marginal or only intermittent competence were being passed through the training pipeline into the fleet. The fleet complained, of course, but the bottom line was that if everyone who couldn't hack it up front, in boot camp, was eliminated, there wouldn't have been enough sailors left to send on to active duty.

So a lot of them meet The Man in the fleet now, rather than in boot camp. The fleet is where YOUR carelessness or incompetence could mean the life of your shipmate, or the failure of the team's mission. It's amazing how many 19-year-olds have never experienced the possibility or the reality of actual failure before.

What's equally true is that almost to a man or woman, they respond WELL to finally meeting actual challenges. Their adrenaline gets going, they learn that they really CAN do things that mean life or death, they start respecting their shipmates, and the importance of teamwork and authority.

People are made to rise to challenges. We are doing children NO favors by "protecting" them from the need to face their shortcomings, and to learn to do better than they thought they could. Unchallenged, none of us go very far or do very much. Our unchallenged selves are neither interesting nor productive. But that's not a "ding" on our personhood -- it's an advertisement for challenge and growth! More of those things, please.

More fallout from the self esteem
movement is the punishment of achievement. Group work became the rage in the 70's, and is still torturously implemented much to the chagrin of students who want to excel. High achieving students are seen as "resources" for the less able to leech off of , because its "only fair". Worse yet, some models employ the group grade, so that even if some group members did nothing, they get the same grade as those who worked so that they feel good. I sent my daughter to private school over this matter. She was called "a living resource" by her fourth grade teacher! The "living resource" had the pleasure of being sucked off of by "learning team" members in incessant group projects. She was never allowed to work with other good students- they were meted out to be teacher's aids. High achievers resent this, and it is holding back our best and brightest as well as frustrating some teachers who want to do things differently but administration won't let them.

oldsocialworker
Amen! My children have experienced the same thing.

The challenge of being a parent
I have 3 junior high/high school aged daughters, and I get the impression I am supposed to encourage them in life. Like when they say they want to be a poet or a doctor, and they think it will be a breeze, and I should just say "wow, that's terrific, you go girl" or something.

When I tell them they need to be hungry, struggling and working hard to achieve such things they look at me: "oh, ok, excuse I have to go text somebody".

Life at Walmart
My wife is a hardworker and people-lover at the local Walmart. Her co-workers do about 1/3 of the work she does, and treat customers with no respect. Management expects her to take up the slack of her co-workers rather than discipline them.

one more story
I was a teacher's aide in special ed for 11 years. I finally quit because of all of the feel good, politically correct, very liberal oriented administration. I was teaching a lesson one day in which one of the children had asked to go to the bathroom because he didn't feel like listening. He even told me this! I allowed him to go to the bathroom. When he came back he immediately asked to go to the bathroom again. I said, "You JUST came back from the bathroom." The teacher was in the room and immediately came up to me and said that the "tone" of my voice showed "disapproval."
Can't show "disapproval" when you're being "played," I guess.....what a joke.

dyerje
Well sir, I am sorry to hear that the Navy is passing people out to the fleet that shouldn't be there. I went through Great Lakes Naval Training Center in 1961 and got out of the Navy as a Boatswain's Mate Second Class on 17 June, 1967. I have the very dog tag issued to me that cold March day at the Great Lakes on my key ring now. It's been there for the past 40 years as a reminder that somewhere out there, there are sailors and Marines on watch protecting my butt.

When I went through boot camp, it was serious business and in fact, my DI was a Marine Gunny Sargent because the First class that was supposed to do it was in sick bay with some serious medical problems. The Gunny told us that we were going to be the best training company at Great lakes or we were all going to be dead. We were the best at graduation day and marched first company in line at the graduation parade. I can still hear him saying YOU BUNCH OF SQUID ARE NOT WORTH A PIMPLE ON A MARINE'S BUTT!!! He would usually say that when we were doing close order drill, but we won the marching contest by golly. We were all afraid not to because we were sure he would kill us.

There were no slackers or anyone who didn't WANT to be in the Blue Water Navy or couldn't do the job when they got to the fleet that got out of Great Lakes back then. They would put you in the Mickey Mouse Brigade in a New York minute back then and if you had any brains at all, you didn't want to be there.

Part 2

Of course, back then if you failed at boot camp in any branch of the military, you could not go back to your home town because everybody knew that you were a slacker and couldn't hack it. You couldn't get a job because nobody would hire you. Heck, you couldn't get a date either because the girls wouldn't have anything to do with you.

It's a shame that we quit using the draft. It taught me so many good things that have helped me my whole life. I have nephews serving now on subs and on aircraft carriers and they all like the Navy. But those boys were raised right and had no problems going into any branch of the military they wanted. It's amazing now that we have so many men that have not served and have no idea of how they enjoy the standard of living they do. I see them talking during the National Anthem at ball games and they don't even know to shut up and salute. The day is going to come when this nation is going to be sorry about that.

dyerje
The Navy has known for a long time that they had generational problems. Once I was ordered to report to the ships Boatswain’s officer. He was a Lt. Cmdr. and a no non-sense lifetime officer. When I was let into his office on the carrier Saratoga, I went to his desk, came to attention and reported that Seaman First Class Black Prince was reporting as ordered SIR!

Now I knew him well because he was my division officer's boss and we all knew him. He was always in our spaces inspecting and in general keeping up with things and he knew me by my name as he knew all the sailors he was responsible for.

He didn't even look up and kept writing in a note book. I didn't flinch and stood at attention. This went on for about 15 minutes and I never moved. I would have died rather than move until he said move because I knew he knew I was there and I knew he had a reason for not looking up so whatever it was was fine with me.

About 15 minutes later he looked up, smiled and said, thank you Seaman First Class Black Prince, that will be all. I said, yes SIR, did an about face and left the room.
'
I didn’t find out until about a month later from my division chief that it was all a test of the ages of sailors and where they were from and how they reacted in the same situation. I was astounded to learn that some sailors had gone to parade rest or at ease without being told to do it. He said one sailor even sat down in the chair that was in front of his desk!

The chief said that people my age and older who were from the south never wavered at all and EVERY last man of us stood at attention until we were dismissed. He said the guys from the Midwest did next best, the west next, and the north east came in dead last and the guy that sat down was from Connecticut. The chief said just two years difference in age made a lot of difference as to who stayed at attention and who didn’t. I still find all of that simply amazing.

Take public schools for what they are:
Almost every dollar spent on public education is derived from taxes, state, local, real estate or other. Therefore they are not free public schools, but rather government schools. And in order to prevent the friction and dissent against "the man" that we saw in colleges during the 60's and seventies, the government has finally figured out how to stop the dissent.

Indocrinate the minions into submission with pablum-laced courses and keep them ignorant and unable to think for themselves. Then they become the lemmings that the modern-day Mandarins cherish so.


It's the Parents
Actually, I see this self esteem crap coming from the parents (especially those noxious Baby Boomers). I don't have children, so I don't see what is going on in school, but a friend who substitute teaches tells me horror tales of these self-indulged brats running wild.

I have other friends whose kids act up. When they do, I tell them to beat them, and beat them soundly.

Mary C.

Inverse relationship
While my property taxes have doubled because of the need for new schools in this fast growing county in north Georgia, the average test scores for the schools have gone down. In science we would say therefore there exists an inverse relationship between the amount of money spent on the schools and the test score results.

Why does the educational lobby preach the answer is more money? There are absolutely no studies that I am aware of that show differently on the whole. There may be some exceptions, but I'd bet those same schools would be exceptipns without the money because good teachers are going to teach no matter what and good students are going to learn. They can't be bribed into better performance by more money.

The teachers unions don't want better schools or test scores; they want more power and control and so does your government!

Black Prince
I live in a metro county in GA. My mill rate and my assessment (I'm appealing) continue to climb at alarming rates.

What's more the "voters" approved a 1% sales tax for "the kids and education."

What the board of ed won't tell you is that there is PLENTY OF MONEY!

The way they spend it in my county is ridiculous. I can't blame it on the teachers. It's the self preservation instinct by the bureaucrats running the show.

I really hate to admit it
but I was vice president and president of the local teacher's union ( I am a school social worker). It really happened because I liked the problem solving of veep who handled grievances and then the president took an early retirement buyout and I was stuck, I didn't fit because I am conservative and am married to a labor attorney who always represented management. I hated defending the same teachers over and over and hated that in the model of the labor unions, many members became obsessed with work rules. (I won't do this and I won't do that). I don't advetise it but some of my most successful times were when I privately convinced a teacher that he/she didn't belong in teaching and convinced them to resign.

How about self reliance as well!
Bravo-----I am sick of the self-esteem s@#t! :-)


$$$
You want to know where a large portion of the $$ is going....meeting special education requirements. Special Education isn't just the mentally retarded kids. It includes every kid with "ADD", "ADHD", "Socially and emotionally disturbed" or any other label the parents can get assigned to them.

$$$
These "label" kids can be assigned personal aids to travel with them all day. Families can collect SSI(Supplemental Social Security).

All a parent has to do is theaten a law suit. School Board solicitors advise the boards to settle with the unreasonalble demands because it is cheaper to settle than fight the parent who says his teachers don't like him.

loco- good posts
I work in an in-school alternative program and have 24 years in. We now get the children of kids who've been through the program, whose parents coach them on how much to act out so they are sent to the program- and the administration has some but limited power over this.

Our high school and middle school now offer day care for the student's children. What a turn of events- and so many of my liberal friends see this as "progress".

rtwgmomma
You are exactly right. We also pay for private tutors to teach incarcerated kids, and districts pick up the tab on summer programs for special education kids. Some students can attend school until the age of 23 to the tune of about $30-60,000 per year for each student.

In addition, if a district employee makes a recommendation for drug/alcohol rehab, the district often has to pay.

oldsocialworker
Where are the journalists who want a deep story?

Special Education is a giant $ pit! The northeast has the Big Dig. Education has the Big Screw. That is what the system is doing to the taxpayers!

Mr. Prince
says, "The teachers unions don't want better schools or test scores; they want more power and control and so does your government!"

As a scab among union members, I can't tell you the # of teachers who say they wish they had the guts to opt out of the union. Most teachers know the union is good for 2 things: protecting the teachers who should be fired and collection of dues.

rtwgmomma
All my in-laws are school teachers and college professors. They say the same thing.

rtwgmomma
The problem is the Americans with Disabilities Act- which mandates every last bit of this garbage. Anyone opposed to the current insanity would be dismissed as "hateful and against special needs children", which delivers an entirely different image from what is actually happening. I doubt judges or politicians know or care about what happens outside of the abstract because their lives are lived outside and above it all.

Black Prince, rtwgmomma, oldsocialworker
Sounds to me like once again the rights of the minority are trumping the rights of the majority once again. Just like most laws now days do more to punish those of us who obey the law than those of us who don't. It's like having five kids and when one screws up royally punishing all five.

Black Prince 1
My apologies -- had to depart yesterday to live some life. Your report that the guy who sat down was the one from Connecticut had me LOL. Of course! (And my own experienced with the sailors from the south affirms what you recount.)

You're very right about the generational difference. I remember being callow and self-absorbed as a JO, but had nothing like the sense of entitlement of many of today's boot seamen. They do learn by doing, as they stumble through their first couple of years, but their sheer inability to focus on anything for very long is a real obstacle for them.

The difference over time is something you can only see with age and experience. The great majority of seamen used to say "Sir!", "Ma'am!", and "Chief!" with a strong sense of pride, competence, and personal discipline. More recently, more and more of them croak it out in fear and alarm. They are so wholly unused to operating in a system that prizes them but also requires discipline and performance. They start out with no idea that learning to perform is empowering, and that a culture of intelligent obedience produces leaders.

Black Prince 2
Today's recruits are actually given "time-out cards" in boot camp, which they can use if PT or excessive marching becomes too much for them. Kid you not. Boys use them, not just girls. When I was in better shape at 40+ than the 20-year-old kids, I knew something was wrong. (I guess the DIs are no longer allowed to scream at individuals that they WILL clean their plates in the mess hall, as mine routinely did while standing three inches from my face, with me locked up at attention as the remaining minutes for cleaning that plate dwindled away. He was right, BTW -- I needed every last calorie, even of the swill they slapped on our plates.)

Amazingly, the young recruits mostly turn into admirable seaman-professionals after a couple of years in the fleet. All the raw material is there. But their initial condition is cause for concern, considering the huge majority of their contemporaries who DON'T joint the military.

Self esteem
A great article.I grew up in the fifties,when one got self esteem from acomplishment.Our childrens heads are being filled with mush today.

ask the question
Qui bono? (Who benefits)

Who's at fault?
Two-part Response:

AudiR10 wrote: The increasing concern of Generation Whine about the retirement en masse of the Baby Boom is, I think, at heart a beginning of the misgivings they have about their ability to handle the job.

------------------------------------------------

Who's fault is it that we now have a generation of whiners? I hardly think that it is their fault. For almost every social problem in America today, we tend to readily place all of the blame on the individual. We forget to mention that there are other factors involved. For instance, what about their parents? This new generation that has been brought to expect handouts and whine when they don't get it are only doing what they were taught was acceptable behavior by their parents (in other words, it's your generation's (as well as the generation before yours) fault).

Who's at fault? (part 2)
Women often complain about how "men don't respect women" (like a whole gender automatically deserves automatic respect in the first place). However, they fail to remember that it was women in the overwhelmingly vast majority of cases that produced these guys that "don't respect women." People complain about violence. From whom do the overwhelmingly vast majority of people first experience violence? Women. People complain about the welfare state. Which generation was it that taught us that it's okay to receive handouts from the government? The "Greatest Generation." Single parents and the massive divoroce rate? Look back about 25 to 30 years to the feminist movement and no-fault divorce laws.

I could keep going on this, but I think you get my point. The problems that we face are not necessarily the fault of the people who we so easily lay the blame upon. The problems are society wide. We had a false sense of security after WWII (brought on by the disastrous Bretton-Woods agreement) and became complacent. Are things going to get better? Probably not. But, we should always remember that what happens in 5 to 10 years (or even 20 years) is probably the result of what we are doing today.

California Schools....
and my local coffee shop.

I ordered an Americano which is espresso diluted w/ hot water.
It is a matter of personal taste as to how much hot water should be added so she filled it up about half-way, showed me the cup and asked me if that was enough water.

I said, "No, fill the cup about two-thirds."

She added a tiny splash, showed me again and so I repeated my request for it to be filled to two-thirds.

She shot at me in a rude and frustrated tone, "Well, I don't know what that means!"

I could NOT believe it.

How can you be in high school and not understand fractions?!

Don't blame the teachers
I bothers me to see some post pointing the blame towards teachers. Make sure you have walked in those shoes first. I'm referring to public school.
Some teachers fear failing students because administrators start questioning the competence of the teacher.
I've come across administrators who go a round about way to tell a teacher not to fail a certain student because the administrator won't stand up to parents. (there are plenty out there)
I guess things have changed. I did fail a class in high school and my parents only wanted answers from me. They didn't feel the need to talk to the teacher. I was the only one accountable.
That is why private schools are successful. Most of the accountability is on the student.

Some people just don't know what teachers go through when it's grading time and having to deal with students who have no civility being in a classroom.


Bleeding hears are killing us all
Having worked in corrections for the past 8 years, I can definitely see the entitlement mentality that younger inmates have.

When I worked as a teacher's assistant in our prison, I actually had one young inmate argue with me that he should get a 45-minute break (instead of the usual 10-minute) because he had done his work better than most other students. His attitude evolved into rage, so I ended up firing him from the education program. He just couldn't believe that I wouldn't allow him to take extra time on break. He thought it was owed to him.

Now I work in the industry program at the same prison, and yesterday I had an inmate tell me that he has a "right" to listen to the music of his choice while working. He's a child molester. Imagine a child molester telling you he has a "right" to his favorite music while serving time! I was so astonished, I couldn't come up with a retort.

I see it every day, even in society's worst. They've been told every day of their lives that America owes them something just because they live here. The bleeding-heart liberals in this great nation need to take a step back and realize the havoc they are creating.
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