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Thursday, May 28, 2009
Armstrong Williams :: Townhall.com Columnist
Safe or Free?
by Armstrong Williams
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“Better Red than Dead.” That was the effete refrain of liberals during the Cold War heyday. In other words, if the United States were required to choose, it should ape Communist tyranny rather than accept mortal risks in defense of freedom. The United States rejected the liberal dogma. Soviet Communism died in 1991.

At present, a variation of the “Better Red than Dead” debate confronts the United States: namely, “Better Safe than Free.” The argument is that it is better to be safe in vassalage to a secret, omnipotent government in which the President is the law than to enjoy the thrill and dignity of self-government, transparency, freedom, and checks and balances because of an arguably greater risk of a terrorist attack. The debate’s background is a post-9/11 environment of permanent war with international terrorism and a planetary-wide battlefield that authorizes the United States to employ deadly military force and military law everywhere in the world—including in the United States itself. Former Vice President Dick Cheney’s National Security Speech at the American Enterprise Institute last May 21 illuminates the debate.

Its leitmotiv was that after the hijackings and murderous abominations of 9/11, the Bush administration was tasked to do anything the President saw fit to make the United States less exposed to a second edition of 9/11, for example, vandalizing the United States Constitution in contradiction to the President’s constitutionally required oath to defend and uphold the Constitution in all its moods and tenses.

Thus, the Bush administration detained suspected enemy combatants—citizens and non-citizens alike—without accusation or charge at Guantanamo Bay. The United States Supreme Court, dominated by appointees of Republican Presidents, held the practice unconstitutional. The Bush administration established military commissions by executive order to try alleged war crimes with secret evidence and the combination of judge, jury, and prosecutor in a single branch. The United States Supreme Court held the commissions illegal. The Bush administration prohibited enemy combatant detainees from challenging the legality of their detentions in federal courts. The United States Supreme Court held the prohibition unconstitutional. The Bush administration conducted warrantless electronic surveillance against an indeterminate number of Americans on American soil, the “Terrorist Surveillance Program (TSP),” in contravention of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). Congress had amended FISA on numerous occasions after 9/11 to adapt to new communications technologies and to make adjustments for the heightened danger. The fact that the United States would be spying on suspected international terrorists or their aiders and abettors would not have been news to Al Qaeda. Its members generally hail from nations where spying is ubiquitous. They are indifferent as to whether they are spied on with or without judicial warrants. The same means of evasion are taken. The TSP, nevertheless, was concealed from the American people to circumvent public scrutiny and accountability. The Bush administration employed every legal maneuver in the books to circumvent a judicial ruling on the legality of the TSP, for example, invoking the defenses of state secrets or lack of standing. Government by the consent of the governed, however, is a farce if the people do not know generally what their government is doing.

The United States treaty and criminal prohibition against torture contains no exceptions. There is no ticking time bomb exception and there is no “High Value Detainee” exception. There is no urgent information exception. Of course, such exceptions can be made part of the law if Congress amends the anti-torture law or the President revokes the torture treaty. But neither was done during the Bush administration.

The United States prosecuted “waterboarding,” i.e., simulated drowning, as torture during World War II when practiced by the Japanese against American captives. The United States law prohibiting torture defines it as creating an imminent fear of death that causes prolonged mental pain or suffering. Republican Department of Homeland Security chief Tom Ridge declared that waterboarding constitutes torture under United States laws. Yet neither the Bush nor Obama administrations have done anything to criminally investigate waterboarding as torture.

Current and former White House officials were instructed by President Bush to defy congressional subpoenas for testimony on the theory that presidential aides are constitutionally shielded from congressional oversight or scrutiny. A federal court judge appointed by President Bush held the defiance flagrantly unconstitutional.

In the process of seeking to make the United States absolutely safe, the Constitution and rule of law have been crippled.

It speaks volumes that the American Enterprise Institute Address never once mentions the sole oath that the President, Vice President, and all other officers of the United States are required to take: namely, to support and defend the Constitution. Mr. Cheney speaks of “the strategic thinking behind our policies,” “defending the country” rather that defending the Constitution, “our job was to stop [a sequel attack],” and, “to make certain our nation never again faced such a [9/11] day or horror.”

Of course, the best way to reduce to zero the probability of another 9/11 is to kill every person outside the United States. No sane person, however, believes in that harrowing counterterrorism strategy. The problem with the “Better Safe than Free” slogan is t hat no standard for line drawing is hazarded. Should the police be authorized to arrest or search any citizen on a hunch that the target might be a terrorist? Why not intercept every conversation and every email of every American in the United States in the hope that communications will be captured with clues about the next would-be act of terrorism?

Cheney’s general counterterrorism theory is if there is even a 1% chance of a national security danger of some sort, t he President must treat the prospect as an absolute certainty and act accordingly. For instance, if there is a 1% chance that a citizen or non-citizen is guilty of a war crime, the United States government should treat the suspect as categorically guilty. Forget about proof beyond a reasonable doubt or even by a preponderance of the evidence.

British arch-conservative statesman Edmund Burke admonished as the British Empire soared: ““I dread our own power and our own ambition. I dread our being too much dreaded. It is ridiculous to say that we are not men, and that, as men, we shall never wish to aggrandize ourselves.” The United States should heed that admonition in its quest for absolute safety.

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Armstrong Williams is a widely-syndicated columnist, CEO of the Graham Williams Group, and hosts the Armstrong Williams Show. He is the author of Beyond Blame.
 
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Hey Armstrong.
If there is a doctor present, I'm going with safe. Our interrogators always had a doctor present during waterboarding, I don't agree with this practise but it seems here we go again, attempting this time to tie the hands of our intelligence services.
Why are we always the ones extending the olive branch to terrorist, ooops I mean enemy combatants who hide behind and blow up innocent people. You can't even call them what they really are before some liberal dubs you a conservative. Then again, liberals love bad boys just like Brittney and Lindsey.
Let me just say, I was giddy, giddy I tell you when I first heard we were flushing Korans down the toilets, it warmed me intensely to the point now that when I see a Koran my first instinct is to flush.
And now waterboarding, what some of our Gitmo Gut detainees now call an unscheduled bath, a doctor has to be present for this manuever to occur, Why? Why? I ask you?
Gone are the heady days when we could waterboard with a dentist present, now he's a doctor, right?

This Article is Ridiculous on it's Face
Here Williams would feign outrage at some supposed crime against the Constitution being committed by Bush and Cheney in their seeking to protect the citizens of this country from the threat of another devasting attack by Islamic maniacal suicide hijackers and bombers.

What makes Williams' argument seem both particularly silly and dishonestly partisan is the fact that he is trying to remove the moat from the eye of the previous administration's alleged disregard for Constitutional malefeasance; an administration, I might add, who at any rate, is no longer in power, and while in power kept us completely safe from civilian attacks for 7 and 1/2 yrs. while totally ignoring the beam that has been jammed into his eye currently and on an ongoing daily basis by the Obama administration TRAMPLING of the Constitution as we speak!

Not to protect us from any enemies; Obama sees the Constitution itself as the enemy!!

"...says what the states can't do to you, says what the federal government can't do to you, but doesn't say what the government MUST do for you on your behalf."

For all his concern for protecting and defending the Constitution, the current administration led by Barack Hussein "Goddamn America" Obama and it's very present and ongoing ALL-OUT FRONTAL ASSAULT on the Constitution. And that, for no other purpose than that he PERSONALLY objects to it's very foundation and authority as the rule of law.

I guess the focus of Williams' concerns make sense...

As much sense as my calling the police to report a burglary that occurred at my house last week, while ignoring the thief that's in my kitchen right now.

Mr. A.W.,I am amazed and astounded
over the ignorance that parades itself as righteousness and common sense.
We know we can never have absolute safety because there are too many people like yourself who strain at a gnat and swallow a camel when it comes to protecting this great nation. Are you one of those people who thinks the terrorists should be allowed to roam free on American soil AND given a stipend?

The Islamic extremists, as long as they draw breath. will be plotting out our complete and utter demise. They have sworn it. You need to read their constitution-- the Manual Of Death. It may be a hard truth for you when we need to do what we must to thwart their evil homicidal plans.

Waterboarding a terrorist never seems to be linked to and compared with the torture of partial birth abortion. I wonder why that is?

I will never forget 911! I agree with BigBelly on his first "instinct is to flush" comments. Very funny !! LOL

Take your medication
Mr Williams, please give it a rest. Your guy won the White House. How about focusing on HIS trampling of the Constitution. I suggest we deal with the TERRORIST and MURDERERS at Gitmo in a way they will understand. Beheading. They are all in such a hurry to see Allah, we will just be speeding up the process, in other words,doing them a favor! Or mabye that's too harsh,like for Daniel Pearle and others. Or just turn 'em loose in Texas, we will handle it from there...oh,and please take your medication, you seem to be loosing touch with reality.....again

How Dems handle terrorists!
Here is a HYSTERICAL read on how Dems have handled crisis throughout history! http://theblacksphere.blogspot.com/2009/05/ghosts-of-democ rat-presidents-past.html See if you laugh as hard as I did.

Safe or Free?
Free, I'd rather be dead than a slave, Bush OR Obama. Equal tyrants.

New developments
"At least one picture shows an American soldier apparently raping a female prisoner while another is said to show a male translator raping a male detainee.

Further photographs are said to depict sexual assaults on prisoners with objects including a truncheon, wire and a phosphorescent tube.
...
Among the graphic statements, which were later released under US freedom of information laws, is that of Kasim Mehaddi Hilas in which he says: “I saw [name of a translator] ******* a kid, his age would be about 15 to 18 years. The kid was hurting very bad and they covered all the doors with sheets. Then when I heard screaming I climbed the door because on top it wasn’t covered and I saw [name] who was wearing the military uniform, putting his **** in the little kid’s ***…. and the female soldier was taking pictures.”

The translator was an American Egyptian who is now the subject of a civil court case in the US. "

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/ 5395830/Abu-Ghraib-abuse-photos-show-rape.html

It will be interesting to see the 2,000+ photos when they are inevitably leaked. ~15 already have been and can be found on the internet. The photos of rape (especially the man on man) will certainly garner public attention...

Mr. Williams:
Congratulations, this may be the best article that has ever appeared on TH. Please, keep up this level of good work. Other than Mr Paine, the posters so far really need to hear these truths.

We can't discuss Obama's mess
Without realizing who it was that first opened the door. Bush opened the door, Obama just followed right on through. The "change" candidate has done nothing but. The same vile behavior continues, the only change that we have been given is what we call it.

Search YouTube for Mancow Waterboard. This was a Neocon converted into realizing that, yes, waterboarding is a horrible form of torture and not some mild inconvenience. America must never torture anyone.

Safety over freedom leads to socialism. You can't have government safety without socialism. They go hand in hand.

What a load of rubbish
Armstrong's variation of "Better off Red than Dead" is not quite complete. Instead of "Better Safe than Free" It should Read "Better Safe & Free than Dead & Free" He implies we gave up freedom to be safe. To my knowledge, we haven't lost any freedoms. We still have the right to free speech. We have the right to bear arms. We have the right to practice what ever religion we choose. As for the response about detaineee photos, the people who were responsible for those shameful acts have been punished. The matter is now closed. End of story.

Mark
Freedom of Speech? Nope, we have people getting arrested for bringing video cameras into court houses.

Right to bear arms? Sorry, you should know this perfectly well being from Illinois, where they are all but banned.

We can't have greater security without giving up freedom. You just need to chose which is more important, then get the hell out of America if it's security. Britain has all the public cameras necessary to make you feel safe.

finally
A true conservative view on this issue!

well written, Mr.. Williams

Rubbish is right
For all the examples you cite as unconstitutional the people whose "rights" ended up being protected by the court were the terrorists. No American citizens were targeted by the policies/tactics pursued by our government aboout which you complain. I never felt that my freedoms were threatened. If you did, perhaps it was because you sympathized or identified with the captives. The Constitution and the law have not been "crippled". Calling the CIA's clinical waterboarding torture, comparing it to Japanese WW2 treatment of prisoners, and the all rest of your argument is just hyperbole. Anyway, that was 3 admitted terrorists 6 years ago, get over it.

Line 'Em Up
All of this hoo-ha over the comfort of some terrorists makes me say: just shoot them. That would be okay, wouldn't it? It's not torture, just a war casualty.

AMAZING!!!
What a fantastic article!

Truly thought-provoking and inspiring.

Thanks, TH!

Try Article 2...
Mr. "Obama" Williams,
I am sure President Obama would be impressed with the argument you've laid out in your article, but being from the hood I am not. The 2,974 innocent Americans who died that day and the thousands of people who were saved in LA, would tell you that you are drunk on the Obama Koolaid if they could. I have been trying to tell you in my comments that you were a Liberal Marxist, and not a Republican, but your article shows me I still have work to do.

Wow, what a piece of garbage
Where to begin deconstructing this poorly researched and reasoned piece of tripe??

1. To the best of my knowledge not a single U.S. citizen was detained at Gitmo. I just did several Google searches and can find no evidence that U.S. citizens were detained at Gitmo. Can the author substantiate this claim?

2. Throughout the history of warfare, military commissions have long been used to try military detainees. There was nothing new about the use of military commissions in Gitmo. By contrast, there is something very new, and scary, about the interference by the Judicial Branch in military affairs we experienced in the Gitmo debate. The author appears to be willfully ignorant of history.


Garbage, cont'd
3. As regards the prosecution of Japanese officials for waterboarding, again the author appears to be ignorant of history and legal process. The prisoners waterboarded by the Japanese were regular US soldiers covered by the Geneva Conventions, which Japan had signed. Waterboarding these prisoners violated the Geneva Conventions. This was the violation that formed the basis of the war crimes charges. By contrast, the detainees waterboarded at Gitmo met none of the criteria for the protection of the Geneva Conventions. These detainees had no rights, therefore there is no legal basis for a war crime charge.

4. Regarding Congressional hearings: it's called Executive Privilege. Get used to it. All presidents use it. It was made necessary by completely unfounded case law holding that Congress, the LEGISLATIVE branch, has subpoena power, which is a JUDICIAL power. Since then the Congressional and Executive branches have fought routinely over this issue. Nothing new here.

5. If you want to write a fact-based article on the Constitutional rights trampled by the Bush-Cheney war on terror, try this: to the best of my knowledge the Bush-Cheney terror war resulted in the questionable arrest and imprisonment of exactly one U.S. citizen: Jose Padilla. One. Uno. No more, no less. Padilla was ultimately convicted in a conventional criminal court.

The argument that freedom was somehow lost during the Bush-Cheney administration doesn't stand up. Try again, Williams.

Mr. Williams
I noticed that Mr. William's book is now available on Amazon.com for .01 cents. That says it all for me.

Armstrong
I lived through the entire Cold War and I
don't remember that Phrase "better Red than
Dead" but maybe I wasn't listening hard enough.

What I would like to say about "Free or Safe?"
I would suggest that if I have to see that I
must assure my own safety in every area of my
life, I am not really free.

Hey Obama Williams
I rest my case. Out of a measely 20 commenters only the "Terrorist Huggers" believe your article had any merit. Maybe you should take some lessons from Ann Coulter or Michelle Malkin on writing. Even the haters read their articles on TH and comment in the Hundreds. Hint...Hint. Your Liberal Slip is showing.

Red or Dead?
I remember this phrase clearly and the comeback was "Nope, better lots of Dead Reds." Take out Reds, insert "Islamic Jihadists", terrorists, etc. They don't worry about "torture" unless we are accused of it. We quickly forget and disregard the beheading videos. Stoop to their level? Nope, but they should fear the bullet in the night and the armed drone by day. They should always fear us first.

You know we're the fearful ones when the village atheists are happily lampooning Christians but wouldn't dare snipe at their "Prophet, pbuh". Remember when W called Islam the "religion of peace" and Franklin Graham protested? Who got shut down?

Dawkins loves to talk about the "spaghetti monster behind the moon" but he doesn't have the 'nads to call the prophet-pbuh a pig or anything half as insulting. It isn't because their brave atheists charting new waters, they're bullies like the ones in school who take lunch money from smaller kids. Not one of these guys has the guts of a Salman Rushdie.

Check your facts!
The WWII Japanese were convicted of REAL torture: cutting off body parts, burning, beating, drowning, etc. etc. The water-boarding they did was very different, the legs were elevated, the head was lowered, and water was poored into the mouth and nose. this isn't simulated drowning, this is the real thing! Keep it up and the person dies! The CIA water-boarding had a cloth over the terrorists face, so that no water went into their mouth or nose. And they limited the pour time to 40 seconds at a time. So it simulates drowning - they freak out and think they are in danger, but they aren't. The funny part is thinking how ticked-off they (the 3 terrorists who were water-boarded) must be, knowing now that they were tricked into giving up valuable info that saved thousands of Americans from a repeat of 9/11.

Huh?
I thought that was a parody or satire until I got to the end and realized he was being serious. That is an interesting perspective, and admittedly, better written than most of the left's argument of the same effect. Still, I'm afraid it is somewhat detached from reality. Better luck next time.

One word for A Williams
Bravo!!

Talking points:
Great talking points for the Obama election campaign ! The president also swore an oath to keep America and all Americans as safe as he can dufus.

A Comment
I tend to believe that Mr. Williams is right, this subject being open to all kinds of interpretations. As a foreigner I am amazed of how terrorism-paranoiac some people can be. Life is much more than 9/11 and after imposing the proper security plan American people should calm down and live a normal life.
For about seven years from 911 they lived under different colors, specially during holidays. Orange, yellow, green , even red...For a citizen to be harmed by a terrorist attack is equal to that of winning the powerball.
The responsible body for this situation are the two ones and many in the US Congress who instead of calming the situation, they aggravated it.
In the Middle East I've learned best that is the US biased policies which bothers the terrorists.
If the two approved the use of torture , that's ugly, primitive, and counterproductive.
They should have known this basics, but I doubt they knew they are living in civilized society. My man of the XX century is Ronald Reagan! Therefore don't think I am a leftist.

correction
"For a citizen to be harmed by a terrorist attack is equal to that of winning the powerball" should be "probability that a citizen shall get harmed..." Thank you.

A Courageous Stand for Liberty
I agree with Mr. Armstrong's article. It is never wrong to advocate for liberty and the rule of law. The idea of waging perpetual war is the classic tool of tyrants throughout history. The practice of institutionalizing torture is the heart of problem.

Harsh treatment, brutality and even summary execution is fine when done to illegal combatants on the battlefield. If a soldier crosses the line in the interest of saving lives or completing the mission, the mitigating circumstances would hopefully exonerate him at trial. If not, public opinion should be mustered to forgive the individual for displaying "crystalline will."

I believe that it's OK for officials to look the other way when it happens in the heat of battle, but it's not OK to approve it beforehand in writing. Performing clinically supervised, regulated torture on prisoners, criminal suspects and those accused of terrorism is just a bad road to go down. When the Democrats someday declare the NRA a domestic terrorist organization, you will see what I am concerned about.

I'm not even sure how to SPELL IT!!
Mr Williams--I almost always come away from your Offerings with SOMETHING.. In this case:


BALDERDASH!!!




Cheers

Water boarding
How many times can one be subjected to water boarding before realizing that he or she is not going to drown?

How many times can someone be subjected to having his or her head slowly sawed off?


Wonders
I wonder why you are listed as a conservative, you certainly write like the Obama supporter that you are.

Jonathan Garthwaite dump this guy, he doesn't deserve space here.
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