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Thursday, June 26, 2008
Ann Coulter :: Townhall.com Columnist
You Can't Fuel All of the People All of the Time
by Ann Coulter
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Liberals dismiss studies that show a link between abortion and breast cancer, claiming they are biased because the people promoting the studies are "anti-choice."

For the same reason, no one should believe the Democrats' "energy" policies.

Democrats couldn't care less about high gas prices. The consistent policy of the Democratic Party, going back at least to Jimmy Carter, has been to jack up gas prices so we can all start pedaling around on tricycles.

Environmentalists are constantly clamoring for higher gas taxes as the cure-all to their insane global warming theory. Clinton proposed a 26-cent tax on gas. John Kerry said it should be 50 cents. Gore endorsed the Malthusian proposal of Paul and Anne Ehrlich in "The Population Explosion" that gas taxes be raised gradually to match prices in Europe and Japan.

The result is consumers now pay about 46 cents per gallon in gasoline taxes. That's not including taxes paid directly to the government by the oil companies and passed onto consumers. As the inestimable economist John Lott has pointed out, in the past 25 years oil companies have paid more than three times in taxes what they have made in profits.

B. Hussein Obama's response to soaring gas prices is to have the oil companies collect even more money from us at the pump, proposing a "windfall profits tax" on oil companies. "Corporate taxes" sound like taxes on rich people, but all they do is force corporations to collect taxes on behalf of the government.

Democrats have worked hard to ensure that Americans pay as much for gas as Europeans do. After a quarter-century of gas tax hikes, a ban on drilling for oil and a complete destruction of the nuclear power industry in America, I guess liberals can declare: Mission accomplished!

In response to skyrocketing gas prices, liberals say, practically in unison, "We can't drill our way out of this crisis."

What does that mean? This is like telling a starving man, "You can't eat your way out of being hungry!" "You can't water your way out of drought!" "You can't sleep your way out of tiredness!" "You can't drink yourself out of dehydration!"

Seriously, what does it mean? Finding more oil isn't going to increase the supply of oil?

It is the typical Democratic strategy to babble meaningless slogans, as if they have a plan. Their plan is: the permanent twilight of the human race. It's the only solution they can think of to deal with the beastly traffic on the LIE (Long Island Expressway).

How do liberals propose we acquire the energy required for the economic activity and production that results in light appearing when they flick a switch? The larger enterprise involved in producing that little miracle eludes them.

Liberals complain that -- as B. Hussein Obama put it -- there's "no way that allowing offshore drilling would lower gas prices right now. At best you are looking at five years or more down the road."

This is as opposed to airplanes that run on woodchips, which should be up and running any moment now.

Moreover, what was going on five years ago? Why didn't anyone propose drilling back then?

Say, you know what we need? We need a class of people paid to anticipate national crises and plan solutions in advance. It would be such an important job, the taxpayers would pay them salaries so they wouldn't have to worry about making a living and could just sit around anticipating crises.

If only we had had such a group -- let's call them "elected representatives" -- they could have proposed drilling five years ago!

But of course we do pay people to anticipate national problems and propose solutions. Some of them -- we'll call them Republicans -- did anticipate high gas prices and propose solutions.

Six long years ago President Bush had the foresight to demand that Congress allow drilling in a minuscule portion of the Alaska's barren, uninhabitable Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR). In 2002, Bush, Tom DeLay and the entire Republican Party were screaming from the rooftops: Drill! Drill! Drill!

We'd be gushing oil now -- except the Democrats stopped us from drilling.

Drilling on only 0.01 percent of ANWR's 19 million acres was projected to produce about 10 billion barrels of oil. From all domestic sources combined, we currently produce about 1.8 billion barrels of oil per year. To a layperson like myself, 10 billion barrels seems like a lot of oil.

The other party -- plus John McCain -- ferociously opposed drilling in ANWR, drilling offshore or drilling anyplace else. Instead of Drill! Drill! Drill!, their motto could be: Kill! Kill! Kill!

They refuse to believe our abortion studies? I refuse to believe they care about Americans having to pay high gas prices.

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Wow
I've never been first on a Coulter column! To all of you libs who come to spew your trash throughout the next couple of days - go take hike.

Great column, and I'm glad

she mentioned that Juan McRINO's just as bad on the issue as the Dems.

He's just a Dem with the wrong letter behind his name.


Ann Coulter
Ann always finds refreshing ways to skewer the left like so many moths pinned to an exhibit board. If the liberals did not hold elective offices and seats on the Supreme Court they would be just so funny. Alas the days of the court jesters are gone so they had to find employment elsewhere and now we must suffer their foolishness. sigh.

I'm your TYPICAL WHITE PERSON
just checking in to see what delicious fare Ann is serving this morning. As usual, I'm not disappointed. Won't be too long before the libs descend in force and start spewing their garbage. Ah well.....

On a Serious Note
The rest of the world just has to believe we are the dumbest people on the planet. The fact that we have as a nation refused to drill for our own oil on the basis of protecting the environment while paying thugs and murderers who would like nothing more than to cause our desteuction billions of dollars every year to pull it out of the ground (damaging the environment there), has simply got to be the stupidest decision ever made by supposedly intelligent people. Even if drilling here never lowered the price of gas one nickel it would still be better to be paying that money to American corporations and keeping it in our economy rather than sending it to a bunch of 7th century savages. If it wasn't for US oil money those animals would still be living in tents and riding camels as a primary transportation source. This position is just as dumb as fighting PC wars and granting habeus corpus to enemy combatants captured on the battlefield trying to kill US servicemen and women. Will we ever have real men in DC again?

But Ann........
It should be clear that ONE of the reasons the dumbacrats repeated mantra of NO drilling is to keep the environmentalists in their back pockets. The same way they kowtow to the MoveOn, Soros, Huffies and other anti war/American twinkies. The same way they keep the American Blacks enslavened to their votes.

Owwwww
I have whiplash from watching the Democrats change their position from artificially inflating the price of fuel with so-called "green" taxes to denouncing the oil companies dastardly plan to increase oil prices so that they can continue to make a profit.

It should also be noted that fuel prices have increased far more than the Democrats would have done with their original tax schemes, without significantly reducing carbon emissions. Doesn't this prove that their environmental plan would have been a total failure anyway? Unless of course that plan was just a ruse to bleed more money out of the taxpayer for their socialist schemes, but that idea would be paranoid, right?

Hey Bri
I think that at least McCain is willing to listen to the people's voices and be willing to change his mind/opinion, where as BarryBarrack is shackled around the necks of the greenies.

The more things CHANGE...
The energy problem shows us just how fragile our economy is. I expect Pelosi and Reid to continue grinning on CNN all the way until our economy hits the dirt. It's almost similar to a plane in distress, heading for the ground and the pilots whistling dixie. We need to turn the tide on politicians shifting left by voting new people into congress who will actually serve the American people and not turn the "serve" into a career.

This whole environmental alarm is such a farce! The scientists sounding the alarm are the ones with conflict of interest because their income is dependent on a "cause" to continue getting the big gov't grants.

Drill here, drill now, and give congress an anema.

Brian...and...
Indeed!! It never ends...

I am luckier than alot of people. Although gas is spendy, I can afford to pay. What about the little people the dems say they are trying to help? They are paying so much more that it is becoming impossible for them to afford working that 8/hr job and the daycare. Hence, they quit and become the gov't's problem. In the end, this is what they really want, isn't it? Makes me sick.
In 92, domestic oil production dropped 35% and foreign import of oil increased 44%. We could be oil rich by now and out of a crisis had we drilled or explored. The left stopped it. WTF is right about any of that and what we face now?
Assshats, all of them.

Annie!
ANOTHER well reasoned jewel of a column! I'm eagerly awaiting the price of gas hitting the magic level where the slumbering electorate starts hunting liberals down on the streets!

There you go again...
...Ann.Making loony-lefty heads explode.

Great job,keep it up !

Geminiguy, you've fallen for McRINO's

line.

His flip-flop on offshore drilling is nothing but meaningless theater, as he knows that under current rules the states will now allow it (they're all Blue states). So... he gets to look like a good guy by spouting empty eyewash for conservatives without giving up a thing.

Wake me up when he comes out for drilling in ANWR.... where, btw, we'd be able to sink drills immediately, because Alaska's a state that would LOVE to drill.

Funny how "states rights" on this issue don't apply for Alaska, hmmmm......?

And his idiotic proposal on the $300 million for a car battery.... whose money is he pledging? His wife's?

HE doesn't have the power to make that offer; only Congress can appropriate funds.

More cheap theater that means zippo.


Hey, and how about those nuke plants he proposes? Yep, they'll come on line in 2030 --- 22 YEARS from now -- ASSUMING they don't get blocked by endless lawsuits by Greenies. Want to place any bets on that?

And why is a solution 22 years away such hot stuff when we're talking about drilling being sneered at for not bringing the oil to market for FIVE years?

McCain's full of crap.

Neo "Green"gos (eco freak wackos)...
...are the new age Ugly Americans. Thank you, Ann, for so eloquently and passionately exposing their lust for coercive power over the American People. Their greed for power "Uber alles" and irrational bent to stifle human nature (by denying humanity our God-given resources and eliminating humanity outright through abortion) transcends, or, more accurately DESCENDS, to a depth of PURE EVIL.

Oil, nuclear energy, coal, and whatever viable alternate resources are developed are THE PEOPLE'S resources. The producers of such resources have proven the most adept at delivering them to THE PEOPLE. Step out of the people's way already. Neo Greengos go home, and leave us alone.

I have a solution!
Let's drill only in conservative states (i.e. Alaska) and provide the acquired oil & gas only for "Republican Gas Stations". "Democrat Gas Stations" will only be allowed to use imported oil and wind power (ha). Anyone wanting to use the Republican station will have to show a Republican voter registration card before being allowed to pump.

Conservatives, concerned with the economy and their families, can pay $1-2 per gallon, and the liberals, concerned with the "environment" and supporting ME countries, can pay the $6-10 per gallon......and everyone gets what they want!

Yeah, Nee, exactly

"Oil won't come to market for five years"

I've been hearing that for TWENTY years, which means we could have had that oil in the market for at least the lasy FIFTEEN years.


Further... we can put payloads on Mars, put men on the Moon, repair the devastation of the 1994 LA earthquake in a year... don't tell me we can't get oil to market quicker if we put our minds and will to it.

The only thing standing in the way is the Greenies and their cohorts like McCain and Obambi.


The myth of "alternative energy"

Our technological society was developed concurrent with and designed around the use of petroleum products, along with the supporting infrastructure. Harry Potter's not going to be able to waive some magic wand and change that.

Even if some "alternate" source IS developable, it's many years if not decades away.

And once developed, then what? Again, a magic wand won't work. There are tens of millions of cars, trucks, trains, and airplanes that run on petroleum. They're not going away, nor will they be magically replaced by vehicles that run on something else. How is this new "alternate" going to be distributed? We have tens of thousands of gas stations across this country.

To change that would be such a fundamental change that it would exceed our resources as an economy; we're talking about TRILLIONS of dollars in costs, and decades in implementation.

Further, our country is only one in a WORLD that runs on petroleum. Is the whole world going to change? Because if it doesn't, we'd be screwed. And the rest of the world is even LESS likely to make that kind of change.

This whole "alternate energy" talk is pure hokum and BS, along the lines of all the hype at the end of WW2 about "flying cars" in every garage. Fantasyland sci-fi nonsense.

A medical analogy:

Doctor: "You have cancer, and the only treatment available for your type is chemo, which we need to start immediately if you're to survive."

Patient: "I think I'll wait for another cure, an 'alternate' that won't make me sick".

End result: one dead patient.

TrueConservative
I share your dream but, I think it is unrealistic. The people would first have to correctly blame the liberals for the disastrous policies. I know many who will blame republicans in particular for any and every thing that they do not like. My MIL blamed Bush personally for the Minneapolis bridge collapse. She is not alone. She is far from alone.

Currently, there is no difference between the parties as exemplified by McCain. The people, if they do rise up, will rise up against both parties and rightly so. The question then becomes who is going to lead us in the correct path when both parties, representing 95% of the electorate, are on the wrong path.

10 years!?
If we can build the 800-mile Alaskan Pipeline in only 3 years, we can get oil out of the ground in far less time....especially when we already know its location!

...the lib mantra of "It doesn't matter, we wouldn't see any oil for 10 years" is ridiculous.

BrianR-MCrue-GGuy
HOW NICE! A Highway named after Liberal Energy Policy Statements (The LIE). What is with this LIBERAL NONSENSE of even if we drill now, it will taka X years (I have heard 5, 10 and 15) to get any oil. WHO do they think makes these well-drilling rigs, Playskool? Rush was saying yesterday that it looks like The Liberal Strategy is to focus on Metro Areas with Mass Transit. They figure if they win Philly, LA, NYC, etc. they get enough Electoral Votes to win The White House. It could be, all I want to know is if Liberals use knee pads when servicing their Tree Hugger Masters.

Don't commiequeers say Technology
Can't solve Balistic Missle defense?

Or nuclear waste disposal problems?

If technological development is so unreliable in those areas, then why do they assume it IS to be counted on in the area of Energy?

Seems a choice of AGENDA to me, not a Scientific evaluation of the possibilites of Technological Progress.

the big mick

Icedog
It does not matter how long it would actually take to extract oil, refine it, and get it to market because the price is set based on expected supply and demand. The only thing that needs to change is the expectations. If drilling were allowed, the price would fall overnight as the futures market quickly adjusted to the future anticipated supplies. Politics is important. Are assets as valuable in a country with a high risk of nationalization as they are in one with strong property rights? Our current policy is one of the strong drivers of prices. A change in that policy would see results very quickly if the market believed they would be continued. They might not move much at all if the market believed the change in policy would be quickly reversed as is possible in a democratic society.

Wonder where Bert is?
Yah gots to be a real commiequeer to defend not drilling in ANWR at $4 a gallon.

Which makes Mac the Knife a......

To hell with the Porky Cariboo, let THEM ride bikes and wear sweaters!


the big mick


I may be riding my thumb
or 'shanks mare' or even a dad-blamed mule, but thanks to George Bushes appointee's to the supreme court, I'll be pack'n ole Betsy by mah side! Hoo Rah!
To all you gas-poor gunners out there, don't fall asleep now. Keep on keep'n on.
Me? I'd rather walk free than ride as a servant to any two-bit bunch of lib-socialists.

Hey BERT!
No business for W Derangement Sydrome here.
Got nothing to to with Iraq or Master and Commander.

Is Mac the Knife's ANWR policy the RIGHT one or NOT? Defend it if you can, Bert. Otherwise stay silent on this one.

I say me and my kids are more important that Porky Elk Rats.

Either stick up for the Elk Rats or remain silent.

the big mick

Let's drill....
The american people should start feeling drilled enough to realize the more our present elected officials try to impose rules and regulations, the more they mess things up. Being from Utah, I see how we're getting fed up to the point of starting to try to send new people to Washington. This trend needs to spread from coast to coast. Politicians need to be reminded every election year of who they need to serve. This is a Republic, as weak as it is getting, not a socialistic society. As a conservative, I find it hard to believe all democratic voters are not feeling the pinch. So why do they allow their reps to continue this nonsense! If they aren't serving you, get new ones. I also don't believe all dems are environmentalist goof balls either. They drive to work, school, stores, vacations, etc. Perhaps being liberal might make one numb to the fact our present direction is heading into the ground. Don't blame the entire mess on Bush. Pelosi and Reid just want us to grin and bear it ... like thank you, can I have another?! This current environmental push, much like the past ozone "problem" is another misguided way of saying humans have influence on climate. The chicken littles need to continue the need to get government money to fund their studies and take their paychecks. It's all conflict of interest garbage. Outright polution is wrong, but I have yet to be convinced it skews long term climate cycles.

Whoa Bri
I'm not a big MCain fan, and I'm disappointed in a lot of his stands. However, given that, he's head over heels above BHO. Again, I think that he will listen to what, we the people have to say. I agree that with all of our technology, there has to be a way to not only refineries and new oil rigs up and running in less than 5 yrs, but get a few more nuke plants running. It didn't take Syria that long, before it was obliterated. We just have to make up our minds on how and when we get off OPECS teats.

In a nutshell
"It is the typical Democratic strategy to babble meaningless slogans, as if they have a plan. Their plan is: the permanent twilight of the human race."

Exactly. All the cheap oil needed to go away, so that human life would have to revert to be solitary, poor, nasty, brutish -- and SHORT.

"Be..."
... beING...

I disagree, geminiguy

This is a most opportune flip-flop for McCain with which he risks nothing, as the states won't allow offshore drilling, as I wrote.

If he's such a listenin' guy, how come he STILL won't back off on ANWR?

Because he knows they'd have the bits in the ground in ten minutes, that's why.


Ann
Great article.....can't wait to see what all the libfreak trolls have to say on the topic, if we can get them to actually address the topic, instead of inserting different topics in order to win the argument by default.


PS, Gemini

McCain's the one who used the 2030 date, not me. That's HIS estimate.


Off Topic but a Big Deal
Ann is probably wearing a big smile as she notes this news. Looks like the liberals just got slapped down. The scary thing is the 4 votes. We are skating on the edge.

WASHINGTON (AP) - The Supreme Court ruled Thursday that Americans have a right to own guns for self-defense in their homes, the justices' first major pronouncement on gun rights in U.S. history.

The court's 5-4 ruling struck down the District of Columbia's 32-year-old ban on handguns as incompatible with gun rights under the Second Amendment. The decision went further than even the Bush administration wanted, but probably leaves most firearms restrictions intact.


Great centerfold as usual!

Ann's column is the centerfold of whatever conservative forum it graces. It's something we look forward to with great anticipation bordering on anxiety. We’re like Barney standing outside Moe's the morning after an election night.

But no amount of reason or wit will have any effect whatsoever on those who stand most in need of the stern administration of a vigorous cerebral enemá.

The fact that most people from every position on the political spectrum think "we need to reduce our use of fossil fuels to stem global warming" and that "nuclear power is too dangerous to use" speaks to the spectacular success of the left in coaxing the mainstream media into being mere functionaries of their Marxist propaganda mills and in turning K-College from merely highly liberalized institutions of learning into full-blown Marxist re-education camps.

I mean, really, does anyone see an appreciable difference between Pravda and the NYT?

BHO is not the Democratic Party candidate. He’s the Marxist Party candidate. Anyone who denies that Marxism has taken over the Democratic Party has either been shacking up with Osama Bin Laden in a cave somewhere or is a stupid as a B. Hussein Obama support.

O-bam-bam is going to win because every K-Kollege re-educational institution in this country is for all intents essentially an Obama/Marxist Party campaign headquarters satellite office.

O-bam-bam (aka “Lenin II”) – I never thought I would ever say this about a viable presidential candidate – actually makes Jimmy Carter look good.

The scariest thing is that no one who thinks rationally and knows the true facts of history is going to consider refuting it.

What does it say about our country that we would not only elect someone who in every respect is every bit as daft as Jimmae Cahtah but who in most respects is abjectly LESS competent.

To borrow from Michelle O-bam-bam:

For the first time in my life, I am NOT proud of my country.

Oil
The solution is simple, but not easy. Our economy has been predicated in cheap oil for so long that it's hard to think in other terms, but now we have to. The analyses I've seen say oil companies are killing temselves meeting current world demand. Since demand will only increase with time (especially as India and China demand more) and supply will, AT BEST, remain the same, basic economics tells you which way oil prices are going (hint: Not down).

So, we Americans have always prided ourselves on our creativity. This is the home of the airplane and the automobile among other things.

ANWR is part of the solution, but only a small part. We need to exploit energy from all available sources, such as fossil fuels and nuclear power, but also from fledgling technologies such as solar and wind power. Here is one encouraging example:

http://www.azstarnet.com/metro/226345

Although it's being driven by the Spanish, it's still a step in the right direction.

Here's a German-owned company in America which also helps things:

http://www.globalsolar.com/

We need to face some basic facts. We have run our country on cheap oil for decades, oil is a finite resource, and demand will drive oil prices up. Once we cozy up to that idea, we can start planning knowledgeably.




Hitchhiker
I'm optimistic that CONSERVATIVES won't be blamed and in a real stretch, Republicans will pound the Dumbocrats relentlessly on their policies that forced up the price of gas! At some point, most sensible democrats [the union members] will see what the cause of $5 gas is and be mightily unhappy about it! The libs are walking on quicksand on this one!

You are absolutely right on the futures market dropping the price of gas immediately on any serious commitment to more drilling here!

Silly Sophie
Hmmm....the only fear that a conservative, at least this conservative, has is the end result of what happens when you allow a lib to come to power.

After all, you libs have the following winners in your hall of fame: Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, Mao Tse-Tung, Pol Pot, Karl Marx, Krushchev, Fidel Castro, Mussolini, and other like-minded tyrannical libs.


EIA report
That report was written on ANWR alone. It considered existing supply and the impact of adding the projected amount of oil contributed by that site. I don't recall if it contained accurate predictions of increased worldwide demand; it certainly did not factor in the chilling effect on domestic exploration that followed failed attempts to develop there.
You libs now say it is evil speculators that are driving the price up now. What effect would strong bipartisan commitment to developing as much of our own oil as possible have on the futures market? It would cause George Soros to loose a bu**load; which is reason enough for me.

Not Everyone loves Sophie:
Plus, the people in Santa Barbara have long memories and deep pockets.

They'll need those deep pockets when gas hit 7$7-9 a gallon. Then again they'll be the whiniest of the whiny libs complaining about the high cost of gas, and of course blaming GWB instead of lookoing in a mirror for someone to blame.

Market Prices
The market prices would plummet even if we just decided to drill. As someone above mentioned, its about supply and demand, and if the world knows we are going to drill the prices will drop immediately. Its too bad liberals don't understand economics though.

Sophie
All of Curtal's list shared some characterisics- cutailed free speech (specifically of the political variety), like, say, the fairness doctrine? They all restricted the right to bear arms. They all promised that their government would take care of the masses (and failed to do so). Many of them nationalized the means of production (as your dippy congresswoman has proposed). They delivered "free", but substandard, healthcare (I should say "rationed" it). I could go on and on.
Which side of the aisle does that sound like to you

The Majority Does Not Love Sophie:
You know who WERE liberals though?

The founding fathers.

Question for you, Sophie: Was the American Revolution a true eevolution or a conservative reaction to the enforcement of and introduction of new British Mercantile and Colonial Laws?

Sophie
Ah, you poor thing.....you are standing there, covered from head to toe with manure, and you think other people smell bad.

LOL at you.

The modern liberal is the descendant of Marx and Nietsche and their ideas. Mussolini, Stalin, Lenin, Hitler, Franco, Pol Pot, Mao, and others, all sprung from that same ideological viewpoint.

They, just like the modern lib, believe in large expansive government that will take care of all the needs of its citizens, in return for unquestioned loyalty. Hitler started out as a liberal golden boy....he was the toast of every enlightened lib throughout Europe and even in liberal circles in America. Then he realized that the only way to get people to live the dream he had was to force them to, and hence his ever increasing need for power. It's the trap that all good libs fall into. They feel they must crush the opposition and not allow them the chance to speak...hence the rise of politically correct speech and thought in America....hence the rise of hate crimes, which is a way of outlawing opposing ideas by calling them hateful and divisive.

No sophie, it is you who does not understand the lessons of history. That, or you are purposefully trying to confuse your opposition in order to promote the new order, because you can't tolerate opposing ideas.

i doubt it
i doubt market prices would drop if we decided to drill. it wouldn't affect the psychology enough. high oil prices will create a recession in other countries, then hit the US, and then the bubble will pop. and then the economists will say stuff like, "i hope the recession isn't too protracted, blah, blah, blah"

so really, the only thing that will pop the oil bubble is a worldwide recession.

have a nice day!

Domestic drilling
Sooner or later you’re going to have to face the fact that the peak of US oil production happened in 1970, and it can NOT be achieved again…..drill, don't drill....I really don't care but don't insult us by pretending that this is going to make bit of difference in the long run. As mentioned by another poster. Oil is a finite resource that we use for virtually everything.



TH needs to wake up
You are absolutely right Ann, it goes all the way back to Jimmy “stupid” Carter. Carter took over after the liberal Nixon who got us out of Vietnam. That took away the major news item of the day at the same time as it took away the major ‘Cause Célèbre” of the liberal chic party set. “Oh what to do” Was the common refrain at all the Hollywood parties.

Well, the solution appeared no later than the Cuyahoga River burning, Rachel Carson’s phony science in Silent Spring, and the infamous Love Canal. a new cause was born; the EPA and eco-idiocy.

These things had been largely ignored by the dinner party set and the professional Marxists while the war had captured their attention. With the war taken away this was the next thing on their agenda. The dibber party set saw it as a new hobby that was trendy. The Marxists saw it as a new way to gain control of the U.S. and advance socialism.

After a few years of populating the newly formed agency with liberal eco-idiot beaurocrats the rules rapidly turned into illogical stupidity fueled by more phony science.

Now we have eco-idiots stopping all energy production while being aided and abetted by their running dogs in the communist Democrap Party.

Sophie
Here's a link for you to check out and read, that is if you have the attention span to read more than one paragraph.

http://fountainabbey.blogtownhall.com/2008/05/22/liberal_na zis.thtml


CKhustler, you hit the nail on the head
I have yet to meet a liberal that understood economics and I have an econ major in my family that is liberal and his conclusions don't match reality. I wish I knew what happened and how to fix it. I have even given him Dr. Sowell's book "Applied Economics, thinking beyond stage one" which is excellent. I haven't heard his review of the book yet.

BriR
ANWR

19 Jun 2008 01:52 pm

From the Springfield News Leader:

McCain has previously opposed increased deep sea drilling off the coasts of Florida and other coastal states.
For years, McCain has opposed drilling for oil in Alaska's Arctic National Refuge Area (ANWR).

But during today's town hall meeting, McCain said he'd be willing to reconsider that stance.

“I would be more than happy to examine it again,” McCain said.

At least he would consider it...not an absolute no.

Tike
I concur with you EXCEPT now it's a worldwide situation where oil production has peaked. As I sais, just because we've done it one way for decades doesn't mean there's no other way. People in 1910 probably said "but we've always gotten around on horseback", too.

A change (read: drop) in oil supply is going to happen one way or the other. We as Americans can either be prepared for it, or unprepared.

On this score I agree
with BrianR. Mclame is only changing his verbiage. It is jusr like amnesty, he is still for that as well. He talks big during the election and votes wrong before and after.

If....
If you think it will take years to get more oil to the market think of how long it will take alternative energy in an affordable viable form to market.

The next question is how are you going to get alternative energy to the market if you killed the economy first? Who is going to have any money to invest in it? Who is going to have any money to buy it?

So far the only thing I have heard out of the left is nonsense. They say they want alternative energy but every time someone tries the protests and the lawsuits begin.

Time for the left to put up or shut up.

Everybody Loves Sophie
Take a political science class that's not steeped in liberalism. Fascism is not a right wing it is left wing...there is no difference between socialism and facism except degrees. Whoever told you that was a socialist/communist trying to make conservatives on the right side look bad. The right wing is closer to Anarchy than it is to Facsism. But us conservatives understand that there has to be some form of government in place so that we don't go out and take matters into our own hands...we just don't like the government going into areas where they don't belong like the economy, welfare, etc...

I refuse to allow this deception to go on much longer.

Oh and your comment about 75 cents a barrel? Guess what? that's still 75 cents cheaper and until the drilling happens all those projections are just a bunch of crap...my bet is that when drilling on U.S. soil increases then all bets are off on the price at the gas tank...and the assinine projected price that you quoted (I didn't read the whole thing just your post --- I'm willing to bet that there are a lot of conditions being put in place for that price you are quoting that are not going to actually be in place.)

BTW....
Market prices would drop if we decided to drill but not plummet. The other half of the equation is refineries that we haven't built or even maintained since the 70's.

Olddoc
Speaking of dippy congresswomen from California, and well off the topic here, but check this out:

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) says that despite the Supreme Court decision to strike down its gun ban, the District of Columbia will still be able to regulate firearms.

"I think it still allows the District of Columbia to come forward with a law that’s less pervasive," Pelosi said at her weekly briefing Thursday. "I think the court left a lot of room to run in terms of concealed weapons and guns near schools."

In other words, if I don't agree with the literal, correct interpretation of the constitution, then SCOTUS is garbage. But if I agree with the ridiculous penumbras they find, then their decisions must never be questioned, EVER!!!

Yeah, Gemini, but my point is

that his "reconsideration" is meaningless, since he can "reconsider" and flip-flop (like he did) and come out and say he's all for offshore drilling, and it won't change a thing, because under current rules the states can overrule any drilling.

So he can be FOR ir after being AGAINST IT, all while being perfectly assured that no drills will happen, and his true goal -- no offshore rigs -- is still realized.


It's what's commonly called a "LIE".



Now... if he wants to suddenly say he's also now for drilling in ANWR, then I'll believe there's some sincerity to him -- which I don't believe for one second right now -- because the people in Alaska will pound those rigs into the ground in no time flat.


Lolo1writes:
Subject: If....
If you think it will take years to get more oil to the market think of how long it will take alternative energy in an affordable viable form to market.

The next question is how are you going to get alternative energy to the market if you killed the economy first? Who is going to have any money to invest in it? Who is going to have any money to buy it?

So far the only thing I have heard out of the left is nonsense. They say they want alternative energy but every time someone tries the protests and the lawsuits begin.

Time for the left to put up or shut up.

Lolo: Qui using facts and logic with Sophie. Tey don't get through the liberal mental brain shields.

Another Good One Ann!
And good comments too!
The left increasingly owns the libs and the enviros who hungrily swallow anything they feed them. Anything!
They are not about the environment. On the contrary, their policies are grossly anti-environmental. Criminal, even.
Not about the little guy at all much less the third world.
Not about progress at all much less 'progress-ive-ness'.
Not about civilization, even.
Greenpeace co-founder Patrick Moore has their number when he calles them anti-human.
People are the enemy, don't you see?
So insidious is the condition of self-loathing...
So vile is the contempt for modernity, for the real conservationists, for the west and free enterprise, otherwise known as freedom...
Yeah, we see what's up with these useful idiots.
A cult of foaming anti-ness, that's what's up with them.
A pit of morbid petulance and writhing denial as the rebellion against adult realities drags them ever deeper, deeper into oblivion.
As a group, they look more like wreched little Gollum every day.
I pity the tool!

AZPhil writes:
Olddoc
Speaking of dippy congresswomen from California, and well off the topic here, but check this out:

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) says that despite the Supreme Court decision to strike down its gun ban, the District of Columbia will still be able to regulate firearms.

"I think it still allows the District of Columbia to come forward with a law that’s less pervasive," Pelosi said at her weekly briefing Thursday. "I think the court left a lot of room to run in terms of concealed weapons and guns near schools."

In other words, if I don't agree with the literal, correct interpretation of the constitution, then SCOTUS is garbage. But if I agree with the ridiculous penumbras they find, then their decisions must never be questioned, EVER!!!

What's funny libs loved it when the SCOTUS struck down the Louisiana child rapist death penalty law, and said the SCOTUS should strike state or local ordinances libs dont't like, but the screamed like scalded dogs when the SCOTUS struck down a local ordinance they loved.

BTW, the MSM focused on Breyer's illogical dissent, but said nothing about about Scalia's well reasoned majority decision.

Sophie
says the founding fathers were liberals. The founding fathers started a war over taxes. Impeach George Washington!

Lumber
"What's funny libs loved it when the SCOTUS struck down the Louisiana child rapist death penalty law, and said the SCOTUS should strike state or local ordinances libs dont't like, but the screamed like scalded dogs when the SCOTUS struck down a local ordinance they loved.

BTW, the MSM focused on Breyer's illogical dissent, but said nothing about about Scalia's well reasoned majority decision. "

I focused on Breyer, too, because I was in disbelief that he could be on the SCOTUS.

Liberals are always at their best when it comes to protecting convicted rapists and murderers. That's why they were so pi$$ed about Sadaam dying.

Let me ask you this - if AZ passes a law that says AZ residents will no longer pay federal income tax, should the SCOTUS shoot that down? I wonder what the liberals' position on that one is.

We can't drill our way out of this....
YES WE CAN! YES WE CAN! YES WE CAN! YES WE CAN! YES WE CAN! YES WE CAN! YES WE CAN! YES WE CAN! YES WE CAN! YES WE CAN! YES WE CAN! YES WE CAN!YES WE CAN! YES WE CAN! YES WE CAN!

AZPhil writes:
focused on Breyer, too, because I was in disbelief that he could be on the SCOTUS.

Liberals are always at their best when it comes to protecting convicted rapists and murderers. That's why they were so pi$$ed about Sadaam dying.

Let me ask you this - if AZ passes a law that says AZ residents will no longer pay federal income tax, should the SCOTUS shoot that down? I wonder what the liberals' position on that one is.

Basically, Breyer wanted to declare a part of the Constitution onconstitutional, and amen the Constitution.

We killed all the horses
So, a decade before the internal combusion engine was ready we went out and killed all the horses? Afterall, something better was coming soon.

Yep, "Island"

Again, my medical analogy:

Doctor: "You have cancer, and the only treatment available for your type is chemo, which we need to start immediately if you're to survive."

Patient: "I think I'll wait for another cure, an 'alternate' that won't make me sick".

End result: one dead patient.

Liberals?
Where is there a liberal? Certainly Not in the Democratic Party! JFK seems to be the last true liberal Democrat. He started the Vietnam War based on true liberal principles.

The original Liberals espoused spreading liberty through out the world, using force if necessary. Sounds more like Bush and McCain than it does Pelosi or Obama!

No, the Democrat Party elite is populated by Stalinists, Maoists, ecoists, sexualists, racists, abortionists and other single issue 'ists'.

Sophie and the rest of the cool-aid drinking morons that vote for the Dimocrats are stupid enough to think they actually do care about them. Democratic voters are products of the modern American Public Schools(sic), get their news from the sound bytes played by the biased media and will be completely shocked to wake up one day to find they now live in the U.S.S.A.(United Socialist States of America), and no longer have any rights that are not given to them by the Government!

Island
"So, a decade before the internal combusion engine was ready we went out and killed all the horses? Afterall, something better was coming soon. "

I did hear that glue and Alpo were cheaper back then!

I am rolling
"No taxation without representation is a liberal concept."

At the use of the words "no taxation" and "liberal concept" in the same breath:)

EIA report based on $27 per barrel range
Sophie @ 12:54 pm,

That report was issued in 2004 and, as usual per libs, you spun it even worse than MSNBC did.

Here is a quote,"With the 876,000 barrels the refuge could provide a day, the reliance on imports would drop to 66 percent of domestic consumption, the EIA analysis said. The study said it would likely have little impact on world oil prices — perhaps reducing the price by 30 to 50 cents a barrel if prices were in the $27-a-barrel range.

The price of light sweet crude was $37.48 per barrel Tuesday on the New York Mercantile Exchange.

James Kendell, one of the authors of the study, said the refuge would add to domestic production, but “when you’re talking of a world oil market of over 75 million barrels a day, adding 900,000 barrels by 2025 is a drop in the bucket.”

No one is certain how much oil is beneath the Alaskan coastal plain. In assuming 876,000-barrel-a-day production, the EIA assumed the “mean” estimate provided by geologists of 10.4 billion barrels of technically recoverable reserves. Geologists say there could be less or much more. Environmentalists argue that much of that oil may not be economically recoverable if oil prices decline."

As Dylan said, "Things have changed."

Love to all.


Sophie
I think you are referring to the "classic liberals" vs conversavtives. They were NOT in favor of a powerful central governement like our modern day politicians. The labels have changed since then. Modern day liberals are no place near the "classic liberals" as the current Republican Party is close to "conservative".
The founding fathers had wisdom to separate church, business, and state in the original docs. They feared what is going on now...democratic bedlam.

wait a second
"The american government was founded upon the (liberal) principles of the enlightenment."


liberals? enlightenment? Is it legal to put those two words together? haha!!! Nice try Sophie!!!


How about you read about our history and then read the conservative platform. Its just about a 1 to 1 match.

Read liberals platform and read Karl Marx platform...its just about a 1 to 1 match! haha

liberalism
"Liberalism is antithetical to both (fascism and communism)."

As long as we're using big words, I think you mean "synonymous". All three mentioned above want state control over everything. Red Nancy wants the Fairness Doctrine (a clear violation of the 1st Amendment) so she can control what we listen to. Red Nancy (see above) also scoffs at today's 2nd-Amendment decision, because she wants to "allow" us to have a gun or not.

Just like Mao and Hitler controlled the press and guns, now Red Nancy wants to do the exact same thing, but is stymied by living in a constitutional republic.

The best time to Drill
There is a proverb that says that the best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago. It goes on to say that the second best time to plant a tree is today.

Sound familiar?

BrianR
McAmnesty McMidget has NOTHING on Gumby or for that matter a Caffeine Buzzed, Pole Dancer when it comes to flexibility of position.

Just Part & Parcel of the Liberal Scheme
Liberals view of what America is to be is:

We are no better than any third world country and we should begin to act like it.

Politicians are the elite, corporations are corrupt and beholden to the politicians.

The government is the supreme authority.

Jails are not for criminals but for those that disagree with the government.

The people (not the politicians) are to ignorantly sit around in their own filth and praise the government for all the things that are provided "free".

What a country!!

.....
---The question then becomes who is going to lead us in the correct path when both parties, representing 95% of the electorate, are on the wrong path.----

Smith & Wesson.

Georegtwin.....

That needed a Spew Alert, especially the pole dancing!


Question
If it is just a matter of supply and demand why are we not seeing queues at gas pumps all over the world?
Also OPEC said it would increase production to near maximum capacity yet no significant drop in price occurred.
I'll admit that economics and my brian don't mix. My sister insists its a science but seems like more of a guessing game these days. Help.

AZPhil
"Sophie" (I call her "sophist") claims to be concerned about rights. Just a couple of days ago, though, she was arguing in favor of forced sterilization!

Dearest Sophie
The american government was founded upon the (liberal) principles of the enlightenment.

Liberals back then are a far cry from liberals of today. To make a statement as if they were the same is very misleading.

"conservatives", whose goal is to maintain the status quo, were the loyalists too afraid of change.

Actually, conservatives look to maintain what our founding fathers set forth, which is just the opposite of what TODAY'S liberals want.

Sophie
Did you read the story you linked?

The EIA report was four years old and based on $27 a barrel oil. The price not only influences how much of our oil we import, how much the cost/ benefit is to drill, but the EIA made assumptions based on geologist guesses.

The EIA report was based on assumptions that no longer apply.

Love to all.

The Majority Does Not Love Sophie writes
No taxation without representation
is a liberal concept.

The american government was founded upon the (liberal) principles of the enlightenment.

"conservatives", whose goal is to maintain the status quo, were the loyalists too afraid of change.

Actually, Sophie, the American Revolution was both. BTW, most of the Founding Fathers' ideas and actions were based upon asserting their rights as Englishmen. The Founders were both liberal and conservative.

Sophie
I know she's trying to tell us something.. but we don't read giberish.. :)

Sophie
So noted.
And what would you call those on the left that are trying to turn this country into a susidiary of a UN controlled socialist world government?
At the moment they call themselves Democrats.

Hey Sophie
The definition of Liberalism does not describe what we are dealing with in the democratic party. I hate to tell you this but Democrats have become Marxist. They want government to control everything in our lives. Just recently Maxine Waters stated she wanted to "Socialize" the oil companies. Yep, take over and run the oil companies. Sound like Marxism to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUaY3LhJ-IQ
Is this why the Democrats/Marxist don't want to drill?

ModMark
Just like you to show up, demonstrate your stupidity and ignorance, and then run before you take a beating.

LOL at ya.

sophie
"The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) of 1978 is a U.S. federal law prescribing procedures for the physical and electronic surveillance and collection of "foreign intelligence information" between "foreign powers" and "agents of foreign powers".

FISA is codified in 50 U.S.C. §§1801–1811, 1821–29, 1841–46, and 1861–62.[1] The subchapters of FISA provide for:

Electronic Surveillance
Physical Searches
Pen Registers and Trap & Trace Devices for Foreign Intelligence Purposes
Access to certain Business Records for Foreign Intelligence Purposes"

Okay, I had to look this up, but why are you blaming Red Nancy for an act passed in 1978, during a Democrat's presidency with a Democrat-contolled Congress? she didn't even get elected till a decade later. I don't like her either, but I'm not about to start blaming the Civil War on her, either.

.....
----Fascism appeals to rightwing sentiment.

Communism to left wing.

Liberalism is antithetical to both.----

Stupid Sophie, fascism is another variant of communism, both born out of an oppressive ideology. Communism, like fascism, is a natural progression from liberalism [not classic liberalism but its new communist manifestation]. Conservative/Republican views of smaller govt and personal freedom are antithetical to communism/fascism, liberals views are exactly that of the communists/socialists/fascists. You have it @ss backwards, which is no surprise coming from an intellectual retard.

It's you fascists on the left that want to nationalize our oil companies like some delusional despot, it's you liberal fascists that want to take control of healthcare despite the fact that socialized healthcare is an unmitigated disaster in other nations, it's you liberal fascists that want to ban home schooling so you can indoctrinate the children, it's you liberal fascists who want to dictate to businesses whether they can allow smoking inside their place of operation and you liberal fascists have gone so far as to try and ban smoking in public [Calabasas, CA], it’s you liberal fascists that wanted to force new constructions in CA to have frequency controlled thermostats that could be adjusted via remote control by some CA bureaucracy.

You're obviously too stupid to realize you espouse all the views held by communists. Maybe you should have majored in history instead of homosexual studies.

ModMark
You may be too ignorant to notice, but most of us advocating for more drilling are not advocating ONLY drilling. You would find that most of us would like to pursue sensible alternative fuels at the same time. Theories on unproven alternative fuels will not make us less dependent on foreign sources any time soon.
Drilling for oil domestically is more promising as it is a proven energy source.

Huh?
ModMark @ 3:09 pm said,"Are you will risk billion developing the east coast."

Yes and all your base are belong to us.

Love to all.


.....
---she is allowing Bush to retroactively grant immunity to communications companies AFTER the violation has occurred.----

Stupid Sophie, humor us and tell us what violations.

It must be difficult going through life being as dumb as you are. Lucky for those as useless as you there's welfare.

Sophie, the Liberal Parrot
Liberals are so stupid it makes my head hurt to think about them. The people who are more stupid, however, are the ignoramuses like Sophie who support them. It's simple as A=A we have to become energy independent and drill for oil or our economy will collapse. Oh, sorry, that's what liberals want so millions will be dependent on the government for food and housing!

Another poster has lamented the disappearance of real men in our government and that poster is correct. Feminism has succeeded in emasculating most men in public office, turning them into metrosexuals who don't want to offend anyone. Ronald Reagan was the last real man in the White House.

Here's a little history for Sophie, whose knowledge of history probably only includes the time after she was born: Edmund Burke, a pioneering conservative in Parliament and the godfather of American conservatism, supported the American Revolution, which was essentially a conservative revolution, and castigated the French Revolution, a radical, liberal, upheaval that resulted in the loss of thousands of lives, including those under the guillotine.

It would take a volume to illustrate how close to fascism liberals are, beginning with Karl Marx who persuaded thousands of American liberals that Communism was a good thing.






sophist is the liar
Here are your exact words:

"Welfare recipients, child abusers, etc...should be on mandatory birth control or permanently "fixed"..."

Calling it your "emotional" and "instinctive" response is no justification.

BrianR
Sorry Buddy, I call'em like I see'em.

Sophie
Hey, I heard your someone shot at your husband while he was helping the Mara Salvatrucha brutes run slaves and drugs across the border.

I am sure those thugs are grateful for the water and food you and other useful idiots left out for them.

Many good ideas are discussed, but .
it sounds like no one yet really knows why oil is so high, or what to do about it. Seems like we're still bumping around in the dark.

Drill more in the US, and just hope the extra oil produced stays off the global market? Stop speculators, whether they are energy companies or investment firms/individuals? Ban the production of ethanol from corn? Build cheaper batteries and put them in plug-in hybrids, and charge them
at night? Make sure oil companies aren't hiding their profits by reporting 10% profit while oil is $140 a barrel? Find some new energy source, clean like wind, or dirty like shale or coal.

No can do any of the above? Then maybe pedaling around on tricycles is the best thing for us.

Sophie
"she is allowing Bush to retroactively grant immunity to communications companies AFTER the violation has occurred."

Meaning?

ModMark
"I with you, drill in ANWR, support the R&D efforts of Shell's sti process for oil shale, develop plugin hybrid, solar power for peak enegy needs (see Stirling Energy), and of course, I want my Gen4 nuke plant. Can you drop by a pick one up for me (General Atomics)?"

You came in late, but I said almost exactly this a few hours ago.

Sophie
The only true liberals today, in the vein of our founders, are found in the libertarian party and among a certain set of conservatives in the republican party. The relatively few diehards in the democratic party have all left like Ronald Reagan when he said he didn't leave the party, the party left him. The term liberal does not mean what it did over 200 years ago. It is an example of Orwellian doublespeak that the communists have cloaked themselves with to fool the ignorant masses.

An ideological continuum would not make any sense with totalitarian control on both ends. You are incorrect that fascism is right wing. Anarchy is the right end of the spectrum. Conservatives are a little to the left of libertarians on that scale.

Mod
Keep in mind, you may decrease your cost for gas, but it also increases your consumption for electricity.

Now I hear the argument that if plugins were plugged in during non-peak hours cost would not be as high, however, if everyone were plugging in their plugin during non-peak hours, those non-peak hours would cease to exist.

Chip, here's the way it works

Global prices are determined on the spot market; higher supply reduces demand, and consequently lowers prices.

We don't develop oil simply for domestic usage; there's no way of effectively doing that.

BUT, if we produce more oil -- which of course enters the world market -- we exert downward price pressure.

Further, by increasing our domestic production of crude and refined products, we can become a net exporter, or at the least become less of a net importer, which means domestic prices will go down.

Further, there are cost benefits to the oil companies to use the product domestically -- decreased transport costs being major -- that encourage us to use our own oil right here at home, presuming refining capacity (we need more refineries, too) and other factors.

This provides profit incentive to oil companies that encourage domestic consumption of our own oil products.


sophist
You don't like it when your own tactics are used against you, do you? Don't dish it out if you can't take it, you crybaby.

Mod Mark
"All your base are belong to us" is just a joke based on your typo. Google it. It's funny.

No harm intended.



Love to all.

........
Stupid Sophie, your ignorance is magnificent; you are truly a brain dead liberal.

You mention Conservative values……

[Iraq war] Um, moron, how is the war an affront on Conservative values? Tell me stupid, should we have not participated in WWII?

[Gay bashing] Moron, recently about a dozen states [majority democrat] voted to ban same sex marriage. Do you call your fellow bedwetters “in these liberal states gay bashers”?

[Terri Schiavo] Oh that’s right, you liberal idiots love govt intervention, except when you get to murder defenseless women and children.

[No border security] Republicans have dropped the ball here. On this issue there no better than the open border leftist degenerates.

[Faith based intitiatives] And this goes against Conservative principles how? You’re just irritated Conservatives don’t support homosexual & minority based initiatives.

[Blatant disregard for the constitution and rule of law] Oh the irony coming from the liberal halfwits that thoroughly bastardized the Constitution.

[Lack of accountability] More irony from the leftist dolt. It’s you liberal