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Wednesday, September 19, 2007
Ann Coulter :: Townhall.com Columnist
Is There a Trial Lawyer in the House?
by Ann Coulter
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Will the Dems' health care Christmas Present to America be an improvement or detriment to our health care system?


The only "crisis" in health care in this country is that doctors are paid too little. (Also they've come up with nothing to help that poor Dennis Kucinich.)

But the Democratic Party treats doctors like they're Klan members. They wail about how much doctors are paid and celebrate the trial lawyers who do absolutely nothing to make society better, but swoop in and steal from the most valuable members of society.

Maybe doctors could get the Democrats to like them if they started suing their patients.

It's only a matter of time before the best and brightest students forget about medical school and go to law school instead. How long can a society based on suing the productive last?

You can make 30 times as much money as doctors by becoming a trial lawyer suing doctors. You need no skills, no superior board scores, no decade of training and no sleepless residency. But you must have the morals of a drug dealer. (And the bank wire transfer number to the Democratic National Committee.)

The editors of The New York Times have been engaging in a spirited debate with their readers over whether doctors are wildly overpaid or just hugely overpaid. The results of this debate are available on TimeSelect, for just $49.95.

"Many health care economists," the Times editorialized, say the partisan wrangling over health care masks a bigger problem: "the relatively high salaries paid to American doctors."

Citing the Rand Corp., the Times noted that doctors in the U.S. "earn two to three times as much as they do in other industrialized countries." American doctors earn about $200,000 to $300,000 a year, while European doctors make $60,000 to $120,000. Why, that's barely enough for Muslim doctors in Britain to buy plastic explosives to blow up airplanes!

How much does Pinch Sulzberger make for driving The New York Times stock to an all-time low? Probably a lot more than your podiatrist.

In college, my roommate was in the chemistry lab Friday and Saturday nights while I was dancing on tables at the Chapter House. A few years later, she was working 20-hour days as a resident at Mount Sinai doing liver transplants while I was frequenting popular Upper East Side drinking establishments. She was going to Johns Hopkins for yet more medical training while I was skiing and following the Grateful Dead. Now she vacations in places like Rwanda and Darfur with Doctors Without Borders while I'm going to Paris.

Has anyone else noticed the nonexistence of a charitable organization known as "Lawyers Without Borders"?

She makes $380 for an emergency appendectomy, or one-ten-thousandth of what John Edwards made suing doctors like her, and one-fourth of what John Edwards' hairdresser makes for a single shag cut.

Edwards made $30 million bringing nonsense lawsuits based on junk science against doctors. To defend themselves from parasites like Edwards, doctors now pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical malpractice insurance every year.

But as the Times would note, doctors in Burkina Faso only get $25 and one goat per year.

As long as we're studying the health care systems of various socialist countries, are we allowed to notice that doctors in these other countries aren't constantly being sued by bottom-feeding trial lawyers stealing one-third of the income of people performing useful work like saving lives?

But the Democrats (and Fred Thompson) refuse to enact tort reform legislation to rein in these charlatans. After teachers and welfare recipients, the Democrats' most prized constituency is trial lawyers. The ultimate Democrat constituent would be a public schoolteacher on welfare who needed an abortion and was suing her doctor.

Doctors graduate at the top of their classes at college and then spend nearly a decade in grueling work at medical schools. Most doctors don't make a dime until they're in their early 30s, just in time to start paying off their six-figure student loans by saving people's lives. They have 10 times the IQ of trial lawyers and 1,000 times the character.

Yeah, let's go after those guys. On to nuns next!

But Times' readers responded to the editorial about doctors being overpaid with a slew of indignant letters -- not at the Times for making such an idiotic argument, but at doctors who earn an average of $200,000 per year. Letter writers praised the free medical care in places like Spain. ("Nightmare" in the Ann Coulter dictionary is defined as "having a medical emergency in Spain.")

One letter-writer proposed helping doctors by having the government take over another aspect of the economy -- the cost of medical education:

"If we are to restructure the system by which we pay doctors to match Europe, which seems prudent as well as inevitable, we must also finance education as Europeans do, by using state dollars to finance the full or majority cost of higher education, including professional school."

And then to reduce the cost of medical school, the government could finance "the full or majority cost" of construction costs of medical schools, and "the full or majority cost" of the trucks that bring the cement to the construction site and the "the full or majority cost" of coffee that the truck drivers drink while hauling the cement and ... it makes my head hurt.

I may have to see a doctor about this. I should probably get on the waiting list now in case Hillary gets elected.

That's how liberals think: To fix an industry bedeviled by government controls, we'll spread the coercion to yet more industries!

The only sane letter on the matter, I'm happy to report, came from the charming town of New Canaan, Conn., which means that I am not the only normal person who still reads the Times. Ray Groves wrote:

"Last week, I had the annual checkup for my 2000 Taurus. I paid $95 per hour for much needed body work. Next month, when I have my own annual physical, I expect and hope to pay a much higher rate to my primary care internist, who has spent a significant portion of his life training to achieve his position of responsibility."

There is nothing more to say.

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Another great column, Ann
Another column from Ann that hits it right on the head.
The catastrophe that will befall this country should Hillary's health-care boondoggle take affect is unthinkable.
Lets only hope that the American people have not yet fallen so low as to send this former first witch back to the White House.

YEAAA, ANN!
'Nuff said.

Familiar w/ medical profession
from experience and discussions with physicians, I can tell you that becoming a doctor is not nearly as lucrative as it used to be. The most sited reason why? You guessed it: Huge premiums for required malpractice insurance.

God help us all
Dead serious.

What kind of care???
What kind of health care does Hillary promise? That like Martin Luther King Drew Medical Center of Los Angeles (which is government run and cited and shut down regularly) or that of Walter Reed (where not all of the rats are for research). You can be sure that no Senator, Congressman, or bureaucrat will ever have to wait in that line. Besides if "universal government run care" is so great, why aren't the lawyers lining up to provide universal government provided legal representation?

Pay more, get less
I still can't see how any sensible person could support socialized medicine. Countries with publicly-funded health care, like Britain and Canada, literally ration people to death: if you depend on the government-run health system, you can lose a limb or just plain die waiting to get the care you need. Here in L.A., cops would write notes on their bulletproof vests asking not to be taken to King-Drew, the county hospital that was known as "Killer King" until it was finally shut down.

Nor do I really feel like paying for others' health care. I've got enough on my plate paying for my own.

Unfortunately, I think too many of my economically ignorant fellow citizens just think health care will suddenly be "free", and will elect Shrillary so that she can put her disastrous plan in place.

I will ask again
Someone says:"Canada gets free Healthcare"

I reply: "Really? Where do they find doctors, nurses, pharmacists, chemical engineers, etc who will work for free?"

Still waiting for a leftist to tell me why they think my wife's labor should be subject to the whim of other people who have guns.

Last time I checked that is slavery.

true captain america
"-have you ever heard of pro bono heart surgeries?"

As a matter of fact, yes. Doctors routinely do free heart surgeries, along with many other kinds of surgery, on patients who cannot afford them. They not only do them for free in disadvantaged countries, but also for the poor and indigent in our own country.

MStone
Its very simple MStone. As soon as a majority of the voters supports socialism we are on the way to stagnation at best. 08 is going to be interesting. With 50% of eligible people not registering or voting, there is the possibility of a huge slumbering giant awakening. This is why i would't vote for any one who does not have a solid conservative background. If we are going to get a socialist, best to have a D after the name and hope for another pendulum swing, which the incoming conservatives don't screw up. A lot to hope for, i know.

true captain america
I actually thought you were serious until you made the statement, "Dennis kucinich has the best plan."

true captain america
For all of you who read that true captain america wrote that Kucinich has the best plan, here is that plan:

"In Congress, Rep. Kucinich has co-authored HR 676, legislation which would establish Medicare for All - a universal, single-payer, not-for-profit health care system that leaves no American behind."

true captain america,

In your posts, you sound intelligent and informed. Do you really believe that this plan is the best?

true captain america
I have no doctors in my immediate family. However, I do have doctors associated with my church. These doctors, including surgeons, routinely provide free services for those who cannot pay. It is most certainly not a lie.

I have to leave my computer for a while, so I can only begin to describe the problems with Rep. Kucinich's plan.

The present Medicare system already eats up nearly 15% of my salary. I have no wish to extend Medicare to the entire population, and have that taken from me.

I am more than willing to pay (or not pay) for my own health care. I am not willing to pay for yours.

Turd Crapped-on America writes:
please describe the problems with kuciniches plan



That's easy. It's Kuciniches Plan.

SHAMEFUL TREATMENT OF MY DOCTOR
That's what he and all the specialists get: shameful treatment.

I am ashamed that he receives such a small part of his fee. We all know where most of that fee goes -- and it's not to him, either.

Several years ago (well, quite a few, maybe), one went to a doctor and, if he was lucky, he had someone working the phones and what paper work there was. This "someone" probably was his nurse as well. His insurance premiums were small, he could afford to pay his nurse/secretary/receptionist a decent wage; and he was probably able to take a fairly decent vacation a couple of times a year with his family.

Compare that with what you can see in a doctor's office today: swarms of people busy as bees, every one of them. So busy they use telephone headsets so they can "multitask."

These people have to be paid; first of all, they need to be hired. They're necessary to keep track of five hundred incompetent insurance companies used by patients. And he must pay liability insurance with steep premiums to protect himself from his patients.

There has been quite a change in the last few years.

There's no easy answer for the mess we've gotten ourselves into. So just be kind to your doctor: he needs it. You could even give him a verbal pat on the back sometime. It might be worth it for the both of you.

Whatever you do, don't fall for this Hillary stuff. Or Obama stuff. Or any of that other stuff they're pushing.


Ann says
It's only a matter of time before the best and brightest students forget about medical school and go to law school instead. How long can a society based on suing the productive last?
_________________________________________________

Ann that started happening years ago, but Ann I have to hand to you, attacking lawyers while you are one. As for that $95.00/hr charge by your auto mechanic, your doctor will charge $250.00 for a 15 min visit + the costs of what ever tests were ran.

Although the costs of that visit are high, the doctor (and his associates) will use that money to pay the nurses who assist, the receptionist who schedules, the accountant who handles the insurance filings, the office utilities and overhead, and the insurance payments for warding off the Edwards leaches. So at then end of all that he still has to work about 100 hours per week to earn that money and he is lucky if he can get 1 week of vacation. So if your doctor is making $200,000 per year, that works out to be about $39 per hour. And that Ann is less than what I was making when I retired.

Socialized Medicine

Jesus says in Luke 14:28-29 "Suppose one of you wants to build a tower. Will he not first sit down and estimate the cost to see if he has enough money to complete it? For if he lays the foundation and is not able to finish it, everyone who sees it will ridicule him..."

We have already had the experience of Social Security. It was a great idea except for one thing. We could not affort it. It is a bankrupt system that is dragging down the country, the economy, everything. The Democrats that enacted Social Security did not count the cost at the time. But were able to sell the idea to the people.

Now, Hillary and the Democrats want to socialize medicine. Can anyone see the cost of Socialized Health Care for the future? Didn't Sweden have Socialized Health Care and have to eventually give it up because it cast too much? Look at Britian. Is that what we want here in America? Look at Canada.

When I go to the doctor's office, I want his expertise diagnosing my problem not some money grubbing lawyer, insurance agent, or politician determining what trreatment I should get.

Sometimes the adults have put a collective foot down and spank the unruly child. Vote them all out of office at the next election. Say NO to socialism. Say NO to the communists in our country.

Count the cost.

my own ENT is being chased out
I have been seeing a terrific Ear-Nose-Throat (otolaryngolist) specialist. For as long as it lasts. He told me that his insurance premiums are so high that he's probably going to retire way early, chuck the whole thing and just stop being a doctor. It's just not worth it to him anymore.

A symptom of this "brain drain" is the increasing number of doctors in Britain and America from Third World countries. I don't know if the medical degrees from Third World universities compare favorably with ours. And as we saw with those jihadist doctors in London, there's even a national security issue involved in entrusting your health to the care of foreigners while America is fighting a global war on terror.

QUESTION for conservatives: Would you be comfortable with your family being treated by a doctor whose first name is "Osama"?




Hillary Care
Think about it: Under Hillary care, you experience a medical emergency -- let's use a bleeding ulcer as an example. You call the toll free national medical help line. You wait on hold for two hours. Your call taker gets your information, then tells you that you may report to your nearest emergency health center (65 miles from your home) in one week for treatment. Assuming you have not bled to death, you report to the center at the appointed time. You take a number. You are #250 on the waiting list. When your number comes up, you meet with a screener who tells you that the purpose of this visit was not to get help, but rather to schedule an appointment. The doctor will see you in three weeks. When you say you are dying, the screener tells you that three weeks is the normal wait time for such a problem. If you live for the next three weeks you report to the emergency ward of your local (65 miles away) health center. You wait all day. The doctor sees you, performs a screening, says you need surgery, says you must report to the appointment scheduling center tomorrow.

for MStone
MStone writes: "Nor do I really feel like paying for others' health care. I've got enough on my plate paying for my own. "

But if you have health insurance, or ANY OTHER type of insurance, then you already ARE paying for other people's claims.

That's how any insurance pool works, even private insurance.

If you're healthy (hopefully), then your health insurance premiums are going to pay for the care of those who are sick and filed claims. That's true even with any private health insurance system.

Just like if you're a safe driver, your auto insurance premiums are going to pay for the accidents and thefts suffered by other drivers who filed claims.

And in most states, you are already REQUIRED to purchase auto insurance if you intend to drive on state or interstate highways. In fact, you are also REQUIRED to have your car inspected every year, even if you don't do more than drive it around the block.

Do you object to those requirements too?

Vic's tort reform
If they made me dictator for life the first thing I would do is outlaw ALL trail lawyers. People who had a civil case or tort would file their own cases and present their own evidence. If you are too tongue tied for that, tough. Only the medically handicapped would be allowed to use a separate speaker and lawyers would be disqualified. The second reform would be the elimination of ALL awards for penalties. If a crook has broken the law and deserves a penalty, then the crook goes to criminal court and he can have a lawyer then. The 3rd reform would be pain and suffering. It would be a set amount precalculated for each type of injury. Expert witnesses would be chosen by the judge in cases where the actions of a professional are in question. Awards in all tort cases would only be based on the actual damages. And finally, government would be forbidden from initiating tort cases except in the event of breach of contract.

Medicaid
True Captain America: What is Medicaid?

SteveL

How about the next time you have an eye problem go to your lawyer since he ultimately gets to tell the doctor what's best for you.

Is there something wrong with this picture?

The alternative is to dump the entire medical system and just die naturally. Better that than to let some political hack in a bureaucratic office give you the run around.

Why are you so enamored with socialism?

for true capn america
true capn america says: "only a religous person would be dumb enough to use jesus, healer that he was purported to be, as a way to explain why poor people should not have access to doctors."

I hope that's not what most conservatives are claiming here.

Baldly asserting "I am not my brother's keeper" is not a conservative position, but a LIBERTARIAN one. And yes, we've got a lot of libertarians on townhall.com who are pretending to be conservatives.

The conservative position shouldn't be that poor people should be unable to see doctors if they can't pay out of pocket. But rather that there are better ways to get them care than to create Government boondoggles to do it.

I would urge everyone to remember that unless you're a gazillionaire, you might find yourself in poverty too someday. Stock markets can crash, a serious illness like cancer or the tragic death of a breadwinner can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars in health costs and lost wages, etc. And so if you ensure that the poor are not forgotten, you're protecting yourself as well, just in case you end up in the poorhouse someday.

true captain america

>>>
-only a religous person would be dumb enough to use jesus, healer that he was purported to be, as a way to explain why poor people should not have access to doctors.
>>>

Only an idiot would build something that he cannot affort.

Believe it on not captain, you will, too, die some day and no one can stop it. I don't care what you have for medical insurance or what the country has for socialized medical care. When that time comes, click, lights out.

TCA
I know that it is a waste of bandwidth to respond to you but since you addressed me personally here goes nothing.

Who are you to call Ann a hypocrite? Ordinarily I would say that you define the term hypocrite by every post you make but that would be a stretch. Your posts are so juvenile and lacking in intelligence that they can not be deciphered by any intelligent being. When you get the Rosetta Stone of TCA posts and publish it you would have to pay a ghost writer a $1000.00 per post to clean them up sufficiently just to reach the level of stupid.

All in all my only recommendation for you is to just go away. I’m sorry that the Kos will no longer have you, but your presence here only detracts from the sweet sound of finger nails screeching across the blackboard.

tca
my idea of lack of compassion is that I wouldn't p*ss on your face if it was on fire. You continue to prove you are the typical liberal hater of any and all that doesn't measure up to your sick standards of life. You are similar to the bottom of my show when I step in dogsh*t. It stinks and is a chore to scape off but is only a matter of inconvenience. But it takes a true sicko like you to tell our brave soldiers they deserve to die while in iraq. But perhaps justice will occur. One night you will get in a car accident and there will be no medical personnel to save your pathetic life

Government
Umm, how often does the Government run anything well? Ok, that is good for the constituants too.

TCA
When you can show me where in the Constitution it says that any of these liberal plans is authorized to the federal government, I'll support it. Until then, you've been sneaking a bit too much of the morphine.

Single Payer
True Captain America,

If so few people without insurance qualify for Medicaid, can you tell me what our government is spending all the money on?

As to single payer, do you really want to grant a massive, uncompassionate, bureaucracy liket the federal government a monopoly on healthcare?

Would you also agree to a single payer legal system? Why should some people be able to afford better legal care than others? Can you say single payer?


Ann did it again!

Great humor and facts, as usual; she always gets it right.

******

Along with the Democratic candidates' free (?) mind-boggling health care plans, a lot of people would require free psychiatric counseling as well.

Just had a brain spasm

If our current health system is so bad, why do the ultra-rich and the high-powers of foreign nations come here instead of relying on their own health care systems?

No Medical Pro
TCA,

Thanks for admitting your ignorance. An honest moment for a lib?

What about a single payer legal system? Where is your call for that, too?

Why stop there. How about a single payer grocery system. Food is essential to life, you know. And it is not fair the rich get all the good stuff and the poor don't have enough to eat.

Ann Was a Dead Head?
Ann i'm really impressed. Another good column and now that i know your a Dead Head i like you even more!

Easy to say for a Millionaire Lawyer
- and a single one at that.

I'm sure if Ann Coulter was married and making 50,000 a year with three kids, or God forbid a husband on disability or elderly parents who cannot afford basic prescriptions - she would be "begging" to help her doctor buy his next Porsche.

Ann Coulter is no different than a wacked out, Hollywood celebrity. She is completely out of touch with reality and every sentence and posture is a pathetic plea for attention.

And you idiots chomp on it like chum.

Birdman
Because they can, that and they aren't all that dumb either. BTW Are you familiar with DFC?

More spasms

Do you think that Hillary will be one of the common folks waiting in line for her turn in her health care system?

Do you think that she will prefer to go to Britian or Russia for her health care?

The concept of health care is to lower all services to the same abysmal level. That wya everything is equal... except for those in power.

I am not sold on socialized medicine. Why are you my idiot captain?

Label shim with a definitive gender
Maybe I am am uninformed on liberal jargon, but can somebody tell me what TCA means by "label shim with a definitive gender"??????

This guy must be on his 8th hit of crack about now.

BIRDMAN
Yes, why are all of those millions of Mexicans flocking across the border when they have FREE healthcare at home in Mexico. Why are they ganging up in the ER to get treatment for their ingrown toenails when they have FREE healthcare in Mexico. And why oh why are they coming to this evil "used to be" capitalist society of heartless money grubbers when they have that wonderful socialist utopia there?

high quality
The usual high quality delivered with excellent right jabs, Ann. As to most trial lawyers being jerks, of course they are. As to doctors being overpaid, it's their own business how much they make -- unless that Clinton distaff takes over.

DFC?
DFC?

Delta Finanical Corp?
Digital Future Coalition?
DFC Intelligence?
Distinguished Flying Cross?

NO

Birdman
My mistake, you write like a member of our local "Townhall" forum under the same name. Keep up the brain spasms. I think you are on to something.

Vic

No, I was thinking of the Shah. Remember him? He came for medical treatment when Carter was pres. Carter invited the Ayatollah to over the country in the Shah's absence.

I was thinking of a soviet leader who came here for treatment.

But you have a good point to seal the border. Thanks.

true captain america:
Have you located a psychiatrist in case a Demo_rat is elected?

On second thought, don't wait!

TCA
Were you at the Kerry speech today rolling in the floor crying "please don't tase me, please don't tase me".

If not it must have been a near relative, your posts are just like his whineny incoherent rants.

TCA

All I have to do is read your idiocy and recognize you to be a homosexual, in drag, and an IQ of a beet.

What does this have to do with your attack on Anne Coulter?

Equalization TCA Style
TCA writes:
"we should stop there for now."

Another honest moment for a lib. Admitting his communist tendancies will only stop "for now".

TCA writes: "just like you drive on public roads, your kids go to public schools, and.. oh you've heard this before"

The public roads are a catastrophe. Look at congestion and how impotent the government is to do anything about it. There are currently many calls to privatize road building. What a beautifil concept! As to public schools, first of all, my kids don't go there, even though i pay for these colossul wastes of money. Another fine mess the government has gotten us into.

TCA writes: "i think that medical care should be roughly the same for everyone. how bad does that make me?"

TCA, it does not make you bad, just idealistically ignorant. There is so much evidence that "equalization" does not work in any market that it could choke Rosie O'donnel. All it does is make the result equally BAD for everyone (except, of course the political elites).

C'mon TCA, take one more bong hit then go read up on your economic history.

TCA

All we get from is that same inane commentary. Apparently you do not like it when it is returned. Grow up.

Ann's a lawyer
So her comments about lawyers is even more credible than her comments about doctors. But since she's one of the smartest lawyers, I trust she's done her homework about doctors and their profession. It certainly jives with my experience, but what do I know? I'm neither.

True Captain Dufus
"four doctors in my immediate family" and you say they don't do pro-bono? Doesn't that make them the kind of dog-eat-dog selfish b@st@rds you're accusing people against paying for others of being?

Perhaps you should send some of your pithier comments to them, like asking them if they'd "pay for a cup of water to help a fellow man on fire."

Apparently not.

Anyway, Capt'n, why don't you go tell those four what you told us, then come back and report their response. If they say from each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs then please also post their office hours: my uninsured wife needs minor surgery for her bursitis.

Annes laughing all the way to the bank
You can make 30 times as much money as doctors by becoming a trial lawyer suing doctors. You need no skills, no superior board scores, no decade of training and no sleepless residency. But you must have the morals of a drug dealer. (And the bank wire transfer number to the Democratic National Committee.)

This is all lies, as any lawyer could tell you. Doctors in this county make plenty of money. Why do people pay this woman money to make this stuff up?

TCA
Obviously you didn't benefit from public schools. I guess my money was wasted.

If it was up to me there would be no public schools. All would be private.

If it was up to me all gas taxes, tags, and other fees associated with autos would go to roads. If you commies want mass transit, make the mass transit users pay for it the way you make drivers pay for roads.

If it was up to me any politician who spent highway funds on non-highway projects would be drawn and quartered.

If it was up to me idiots who came to political rallies for the sole purpose of disrupting the speech would be horsewhipped. After the second offense I would give them a permanent Indian beauty mark. Note that is even if it was a traitor Kerry speech.

99.9% public school
Any of the 99.9% of the people that went to public schools that are benefiting my life are doing so in spite of their public school education. They have overcome it.

As to the Eisenhower system, great job the government is doing keeping it up. Especially the bridges in Minneapolis.

Also, the only thing the military has to do with the Eisenhower system is that Eisenhower felt the Interstate System had national defense implications after he saw how Germany used theirs during WWII.

brain drain
It's a fact that fewer qualified people are entering medical school, because these folks realize that they can make more money with considerably less aggravation in other fields.

It's also a fact that able, experienced physicians are retiring early because they're sick and tired of third-party interference which approaches the outrageous, the large staffs they have to maintain in order to deal with all the bureaucratic paperwork, the ever-increasing cost of malpractice insurance, patients who regard their doctor as some sort of adversary, and the necessity of working longer and longer hours just to stay even financially. My classmates, a group of very talented and dedicated people, are now in their early to mid-sixties. About half of them are retired and the other half want to be.

I doubt that we’ll have many “rich doctors” to malign in the future. We’ll only have poor doctors—poor in more ways than one.

Doctors in TCA's Family
Wow, we can see who got all the brains AND common sense in the TCA family!! And it wasn't you TCA!

They must have a lot of laughs at your expense at the T-giving table!

Sorry I cannot stop laughing!!

Lawyers and insurance companies
They're in it together. That's why the CEOs of two of the nations largest insurance companies (one is Progressive) is a big Dem supporter. Every cost an insurance company incurs is marked up and charged to all their customers. THey actually make more profits, the higher their costs are. (Competition in this area is minimal).

And why is it that everyone has to carry so much insurance? Because they might get sued. Lawyers are just one of the many industries that uses the democratic party to further their stronghold on our pocketbooks. What about no-fault insurance? Legislators don't like it, because they are in the hip pocket of the insurance companies.

Why does the US have ten times the number, per capita, of lawyers as Japan? Two reasons: because our bought and paid for legislators (most of whom happen to be lawyers) allow this ridiculous legal systems to run away, unabated; and two, because of a significant lack of self respect on the part of a lot of people in America looking for the easy way out.


taft
No Taft it is you who are the bloviating liar. Ann pretty much has her figures right.

Most doctors work more than 60 hours per week. A recent change in the law prohits residents from working more than 80, but not anyone else. If you look at the salaries and the number of hours worked, they really aren’t paid that much. Ann’s auto mechanic actually makes more.

http://www.payscale.com/research/US/
People_with_Jobs_as_Physicians_%2f_Doctors
/Salary


http://www.dogflu.ca/09042007/17/
patient_mortality_stable_with_fewer_
worked_hours


TCA
Yes, it is too bad that I am not the dictator for life. All the schools would be private and you would have had to pay for the baby sitting that was done for you. You sure didn't get an education. Were you a special needs student? Did you get promoted so you wouldn't be bigger than the other kids and embarrassed?

Did they help your esteem? Did you cry when Suzy stuck her tongue out at you? Are you Suzy now?

buffalo soldier
"99.9% public school
Any of the 99.9% of the people that went to public schools that are benefiting my life are doing so in spite of their public school education. They have overcome it."

Where in the world did you go to schools at? It so happens my high school produced the doc that saved Ronald Reagan's life after he was shot. Do you think Bill Gates got all his brains in College?

true captain america writes: Wednesday,

>>>
when i repeat my points i'm really reiterating them because they are always relevant.
>>>

So you are saying that Coulter's adam's apple is revelent?

Your underwear is too tight!

Auto mechanic?
Where can I get hold of your mechanic. All of them down here use a common list which tells them how many hours to charge for a common task. It's two hours for installation of an EGR valve at $75/hr. It requires two bolts to be screwed out, then screwed back in. Takes five minutes if you know what you're doing, ten if you're an idiot. But regardless how long it takes, you are out $150.

I'm thinking of going to the state Atty General. In reality, they guy is making $500/hr to $900/hr to on his labor, and there is no competition. Then he adds the shop charges.


buffalo soldier
"99.9% public school
Any of the 99.9% of the people that went to public schools that are benefiting my life are doing so in spite of their public school education. They have overcome it."

Where in the world did you go to schools at? It so happens my high school produced the doc that saved Ronald Reagan's life after he was shot. Do you think Bill Gates got all his brains in College?

Vic,
Lawyers have to go through a hell of a lot of school and hard beginnings too. Its not easy being a lawyer, that is unless you have some family connections. And docs do make plenty of money, my bro-in law is one. He works half as much as I do and makes 10 times more. How many docs do you see living in trailer parks? I have nothing against docs and think they deserve to be paid very well, but come on, they aren't hurting.

TCA
You are a teacher....RITFLMAO

Just one more reason to make all schools private so you can be fired.

TCA

Because it's squeezing your head. You can't think straight.

TCA
Yes, I agree. Since Republicans cannot be trusted to run governmnet properly, we should never even give them a snowball's chance in Hell to get their hands on our healthcare!!

And, yes, I also agree on the Repbulican's causing all the devastation in New Orleans. In fact, did you know Bush has a huge magnetoscope that has a joystick that allows him to steer hurricanes? You see, Halliburton failed to cut him in on their latest refinery deal in New Orleans, Bush got mad, and decided to steer the Hurricane there and take out their project. It was actually a double pleasure for him since he hates black people so much and he got to kill so many of them at the same time. The whites that died were just an accident because he actually called all them first and told them to leave.

Taft
Did you look at the links I sent? Those are the medium wages and hours. Your BIL may work fewer hours and get paid more but it isn't the average.

I have nothing against criminal lawyers, they perform a useful function. I have no room for the any others.

The usual suspects
As always,one of Ann's good columns is turned into a chat room for the usual suspects @ TH. So what else is new, except some are missing today?

12% of earth's population and 80% of the World's lawyers,so what is new here?

just take a look
at who wants everything to be free. the non-producers. or at the very least they want the producers to pay for it. and who would the non-producers be, why their mostly democrats and who are the producers, why their mostly conservatives. but they outnumber us so they will vote to make everything free and tax the producers. but we are going to get fed up and stop working and go on the dole too. then where are the non-producers going to get the free food an such. i guess america ceases to be.

Physicians vs. Lawyers
Sign for a Doctor's office:

Lawyers treated on a contingency basis - If you live , you owe us one third of your income for the rest of your life.

Corporal A holla! buddy!
Let me catch my breath, you got me ROFLn!
So the depth of the milk of human kindness is to rip off the most productive members of society!
To COERCE all your fellow citizens into a No Choice GOVERNMENT System (like they do things SOOO well) is the epitome of Good Samaritanism!
Boy you must LOVE North Korea. (Doesn't Kim Jung Ill mean "beloved rotten cabbage that sickens"--or is that "Kucinitch" in Polish?
We used to call that THIEVERY, Corp, but you've done gone and Rebaptized it Sainthood.
You a cheap date, brudda, you do all your Good Works with somebody ELSE's cash.

And speaking of hundreds of millions of somebody else's cash--that town you think is missing, Corp--they call it The Big Easy--cause there ain't NOTHIN easier than livn off somebody else's Credit Card.

One does wonder, though, if those below sea level dweller/feeders realize "there used to be these things called Hurricanes"?

I mean to quote somebody, "that storm sat poised for days to hit new orleans and we all watched it gather strength on tv" and THEY, in the PATH of it, didn't bother to leave town. And Laura BUSH is "an idiot"?

To quote the Great Gump: "Chocolate is as Chocolate does."

I would suggest they got the Disaster Management Team THEY voted for, and he and his home boys were in residence, not in the White House.

the big mick

Taft
If doctors were all making "plenty of money" they wouldn't be contemplating early retirement. There wouldn't have been a dearth of Ob-Gyn's in Mississippi.

People with regular jobs, who are not self-employed, look at "incomes" of $200,000 to $300,000 and say "That's plenty". But to a doctor who is essentially self-employed that money is often what he makes before expenses. And his expenses in include malpractice insurance, which has gone through the roof.

The sad part of malpracrice premiums is that all doctors have been forced to pay for the cost of mega-settlements even though most of them were not involved in the actual cases. You see, trial lawyers have succeeded in getting huge awards from doctors and/or hospitals that did nothing wrong; nothing out of the ordinary; nothing that wasn't standard practice. Because of this there is no medical malpractice insurance equivalent of a "Good Driver Discount". The insurance companies must charge ALL doctors high rates because they don't know which standard medical practice will next be deemed as inadequate, incompetent, or negligent by a jury of 12 laymen who don't know squat about medicine except what some shyster plaintiff's attorney tells them.

So now the entire medical industry functions in fear and dread, wondering when the next John Edwards is going to convince a jury to feel so sorry for a child born with cerebral palsy (and the child's mother) that they will award the mother multi-millions because the doctor didn't do a Caesaren section, even though there was no medical dictate for such and even though there remains to this day no real evidence that C-sections prevent cerebral palsy.

$200,000 a year seems like a lot of money until you realize you have to pay $100,000 a year for malpractice insurance before you can even open up shop and start seeing patients.

Hm. I must be European.
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My best year in solo practice (after paying for professional liability [read "malpractice"] insurance, office rent, staff salaries, supplies, instruments, hospital staff dues, and suchlike luxuries) I never came remotely close to what Ms. Coulter reports as the top of my European colleagues' salary range ("$60,000 to $120,000").

Well, hell. For most of those years, I was arbitrarily limited to a billing rate forced down my throat by HCFA (now known as "The Centers for Medicare ^ Medicaid Services" or CMS - and, no, I *don't* know what they did with the second "M" in that acronym) and the supposedly "private sector" HMOs that got their seed capital out of my own and my neighbors tax dollars in the form of laughably low-interest government-guaranteed loans and outright grants.

Yep. I've had no control over the rates I've been able to charge for my services.

Seems fair, of course.

I've had no control over the rates at which I've had to pay for my insurance, my office rent, the computer service I've had to use to handle the electronic billings that get me paid whatever percent of my "usual & customary" fee rate CMS decides I'm supposed to get, the bandages in my cabinets, or the EKG paper in the stock room.

*None* of my kids have gone into medicine, of course.

Not after watching what I've been going through all their lives.


--
"Logic cannot support the premise that health care is a right. Health care is a service that is administered by another human being with the requisite skills and knowledge. To claim that healthcare as a 'right' is to claim a right to the services of the health-care provider. In effect, this means you are claiming a 'right' to a portion of that person's life – both a portion of the time already spent developing his skills, and a portion of the time spent practicing those skills on you."

..-- Neal Boortz



Slamin Sammy Johnson on the thread
"Dr. (LLD) Johnson remarked that, though he did not wish to speak ill of any man behind his back, he believed that the gentleman was an attorney."

Lawyers are simply mafia strong arm extortionist thugs who have been to college. Doctors make their money giving people health for money.

Lawyers simply steal it--doesn't matter that the WEAPON is 12 useful idiots and GOVERNMENT Coercion--it's still Mugging for a living.

Lawyers are of the same moral fiber, attitude and temperament as the Barbarians who put the DANE in DANEGELD.

the big mick

Lies
The notion that poor people don't have access to health care is a lie. Everyone has access to health care in America even if they can't pay for it.

The idea that conservatives are not compassionate because they are opposed to government run health care is a lie.

The idea that Bush had something to do with the bridge collapsing in Minnesota and the levees breaking in New Orleans is a lie. In fact, the notion that the federal government didn't respond quickly enough to Katrina or that Bush doesn't like black people are lies.

I'm pretty sure that the idea of Ann Coulter being a man is a lie. I enjoy what she writes because she always does her homework. I don't always agree with her conclusions but I do respect her.


The Ballad of the Big Easy
(sung to The House of the Rising Sun)

There is a chocolate town I know,
New Orleans is the one.
Where you can live the Big Easy life,
on a check from the Guv-a-munt!

My daddy was a gamblin man,
to dogfights he would go.
My momma was just what he said, when he called her b & hoe.

The Hurricane came howlin down,
they told us all to run.
But daddy said we'd stay right heah
for our check from the Guvamunt.

Now mammas tell your babies,
just to do what I has done.
Come live the Free Big Easy Life
on a check from the Guv-a-munt.

T(threat in) C(lassrooms of) A(merica)
sez:
but now it's war, semantically of course.



War? How illiberal for a school teacher.

How about a nice dance instead? I think Big Mick is looking for a date!

Maybe a nice Irish Jig---on your head---semantically of course.





Best health proposal ever!!!
I would like a health care system decisions made by bureacrats rather than physicians, PAs, or NPs.

I would like nurses, doctors, and all other health care workers subject to government pay grades. This would mean a drastic cut in pay for all of them, especially doctors and nurses, but those greedy losers make are wwwaaayyy overpaid anyway.

I would like scans, procedures, and medicines given to me (or refused) based on cost rather than efficacy, and, again, I would like bureacrats to make the decisions rather than some incompetent doctor.

I would like to wait months before I can get in for a supposedly "urgent" head CT to follow my advancing brain cancer. (Again, we know doctors get the big kickbacks from the radiology group!)

I would like to be secure in the knowlege that when I go to the emergency room I will get to enjoy many, many nice, informative, up-to-date magazines on current issues, like President Bush's recent campaign promise stating, "Read my lips; no new taxes," while I wait for hours and hours and hours more than I already do. This would be enjoyable to me.


Night Corp!
Pleasant Dreams after Pirate Day of further plundering the Ameican People!

Alpha Male---is that like Alpha Bore, or like Snail Mail?
Snails---don't they have like horns on their heads and ooze slime?

Wait a minute--Corporal A has been con-ing us!
Horns, trail of slime, low and slow and hides in a shell....He IS "an attorney"!

mick

Best health proposal ever!!! Part II
I would like John Edwards to continue to protect us from the evil, severely inept OB/GYN doctors and sue them into oblivion for every child born with a genetic disorder, because we all know that genetics have nothing to do with the parents and everything to do with the incompetence of the greedy, evil doctors...

...and then I would like my pregnant wife to have to see a family doctor instead of an OB doctor when I knock her up...

...and then I would like to drive from hospital to hospital with my pregnant, in-labor wife because all the nurseries and OB wards are too small and booked solid, because it is truly my desire to deliver my own child in the backseat of my totally clean car where I know he/she is much safer than in some filthy, overcrowded room where he/she can get mixed up and misidentified by some brainless loser, er, I mean nurses.

I would like to have important, life-saving medicines denied the me and others because of some important regulation, presumably to keep me safe, written by caring bureacrats with our best interests at heart. This will also result in a decrease of the surplus population. (Finally, legalized euthanasia!!!)

Finally, I would like to see evil drug company researchers and other medical researchers forced to shut down due to lack of funding. It's not like they care or anything. Frankly, we need to take over and regulate those evil researchers into extinction because of their greed, except we need to do research on fetal stem cells if for no other reason than to dispose the aborted babies, er, I mean tissues.

Go Democrats! The truly compassionate ones!

Signed facetiously,
Me

Make a Lawyer Wall the Plank Day
If we can have a "Talk Like a Pirate Day" why can't we have a "'Accidentally' Run Over a Lawyer Day"? I think some Science Fiction Writer postulated this in an Alternative Universe and the Profession died out in about 10 years.

the big mick

Truly Crapping on America
TCA,

Let me guess, you washed out of pre-med and you have a chip the size of Mt. Rushmore on your shoulder. Don't you have grading to do? My wife is an extremely dedicated teacher and she never has time to post commentary online.

The picture of you is becoming very clear. You're the black sheep of your family and you resent like hell that your brothers and father have a more respected and much higher paying profession than you do.

BTW which of the former '60s radicals did you have for professors in your college of education?

The problem with lawyers (part 1)
Tort lawyers were put on earth to make the rest of us warm to vultures. If Ann is a lawyer, then I would hope it was not one of those, since there is a place for some types of legal eagles in the scheme of things.

In spite of my contempt for trial lawyers, I would say that they are not the whole problem. In a truly free market, there should be no obstacles in the path of the practitioners of various arts which may arise: prostitutes, pimps and tort lawyers are inevitable, since there is always a level of demand for their services. If these are percieved as being as numerous as maggots on a carcass, then demand must be high. Thus, high demand must also be seen as part of the problem.

[Actually, I was surprised that Vic, as dictator, would outlaw tort lawyers: an unexpectedly non-free-market thing for him to do. But I do sympathize :-]

Why is there such high demand for the services of tort lawyers and medical malpractice suits in particular? I think the following factors play a part:

-- Unrealistic expectations for longevity and "quality of life", brought about by...
-- Overoptimistic and breathless reporting of medical research results in the media along with...
-- Undue veneration of doctors, surgeons and the science of medicine in general, which result in...
-- Disappointment when the inevitable human mistakes occur, or a desired procedure is too expensive, which arouses...
-- Desire to obtain monetary compensation.

This last desire is facilitated by the plaintiff not having to personally confront the doctor: the trial lawyer makes it all easy and guilt-free, since it is just the lawyer and the insurance company who have to battle it out in front of supposedly disinterested judges and juries. No hard feelings, eh doc? There's often a lottery mentality in play, since the payouts can be staggering, which adds fuel to the fire.


The problem with lawyers (part 2)
Unfortunately, the introduction of another entity (the doctor's insurance company) tends to grease this whole vicious cycle, since the costs of alleged (and real) malpractice are spread around rather than being concentrated where they belong: the very few truly negligent doctors.

Yet another factor is the unwillingness of many people to control their lifestyle habits, along with widespread insurance which, as others on this thread have pointed out, make the healthy subsidize the unhealthy. This unwillingness and wishful thinking is proven to anyone who observes the number of "miracle weight loss drugs" which are constantly advertised. Better to take another pill than to simply *eat fewer calories*. But ending ones life as a diabetic sure drains the kitty!

I think one of the simplest solutions to this quandary is simply to ban doctors from obtaining medical malpractice insurance. You might think that this would be crazy, and expose doctors to unacceptable risk. Before you dismiss this idea out of hand, I beg you to consider the following:

Insurance companies generally run at a profit, so the average insurance premium more than covers the *average* malpractice payout for any doctor. Thus, the "average" doctor should be better off at the end if he payed no premium and took all the risk on himself.

What about the "below average" doctor? These too would most likely be better off. It is only the *worst* doctors who, on average, would be worse off by not paying the premium, since the payouts are very large and thus skew towards a narrow percentile of doctors at the bottom of the scale.

Best health proposal ever!!! (revised)
I would like a health care system with decisions made by bureacrats rather than physicians, PAs, or NPs.

I would like nurses, doctors, and all other health care workers subject to government pay grades. This would mean a drastic cut in pay for all of them, especially doctors and nurses, but those greedy losers are wwwaaayyy overpaid anyway.

I would like scans, procedures, and medicines given to me (or refused) based on cost rather than efficacy or necessity, and, again, I would like bureacrats to make the decisions rather than some incompetent doctor. (We all know docs get big kickbacks for every MRI, CT, lab test, ect., they order.)

I would like to wait months before I can get in for a supposedly "urgent" head CT to follow my advancing brain cancer. (Again, we know doctors get the big kickback!)

I would like to be secure in the knowlege that when I go to the emergency room I will get to enjoy many, many nice, informative, up-to-date magazines on current issues, like President Bush's recent campaign promise stating, "Read my lips; no new taxes," while I wait for hours and hours and hours more than I previously had under the failed "free market" system. This would be enjoyable to me.

Cont'd.

The problem with lawyers (part 3)
An otherwise good doctor who made one mistake, and was successfully sued, would face the prospect of bankruptcy. This is not as bad as it seems, since it would not necessarily spell the end of the good doctor's career. Any prudent doctor, realizing the risk, would be careful not to have too many personal assets (rich folks are expert at this sort of thing, forming corporations and the like to shield assets). In any case, plaintiff's lawyers always go after the "deep pockets" which means that, typically, professional organizations which employed the doctor would be ensnared in the lawsuit, rather than the uninsured doctor.

The problem now transfers to the larger organization. Not being an expert on employment law, I am speculating, but I would think that there should be a way for the hospital or medical group to "distance itself" (in the legal liability sense) from the individual doctors, e.g. by hiring doctors rather than employing them. Obviously, this won't work for many medical staff such as nurses, but I think the ban on insurance coverage (or at least a severe cap on the coverage) should apply throughout the medical organization. Judges and juries are likely to be more circumspect about the prospect of bankrupting an otherwise successful hospital.

The difficulty that this lack of insurance would put in the way of plaintiffs and their lawyers would have a beneficial effect of curbing the number of lawsuits raised in the first place. This is because it would be more likely to require plaintiffs to confront their doctor personally, and thus make it less "guilt-free". The lottery mentality would also be muted by more realistic expectations.

Finally, true reform will not be obtained until people are more informed about the true progress of medicine, and take better care of themselves when they are healthy.

Best health proposal ever! Pt2 (revised)
I would like John Edwards to continue to protect us from the evil, severely inept OB/GYN doctors and sue them into oblivion for every child born with a genetic disorder, because we all know that genetics have nothing to do with the parents and everything to do with the incompetence of the greedy, evil doctors...

...and then I would like my pregnant wife to have to see a family doctor instead of an OB doctor when I knock her up...

...and then I would like to drive from hospital to hospital with my pregnant, in-labor wife because all the nurseries and OB wards are too small and booked solid, because it is truly my desire to deliver my own child in the backseat of my totally clean car where I know he/she is much safer than in some filthy, overcrowded room where he/she can get mixed up and misidentified by some brainless loser, er, I mean nurses.

I would like to have important, life-saving medicines denied me and others by some caring bureacrats with our best interests at heart. This will also result in a decrease of the surplus population. (Finally, legalized euthanasia!!!)

Finally, I would like to see evil drug company researchers and other medical researchers forced to shut down due to lack of funding. It's not like they care or anything. Frankly, we need to take over and regulate those evil researchers into extinction because of their greed, except we need to do research on fetal stem cells if for no other reason than to dispose of the aborted babies, er, I mean tissues.

Go Democrats! The truly compassionate ones!

Signed facetiously,
Me

Speaking of lawyers
This is a fun read Ann.
And this one too
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The U.S. has seventy percent of the world’s lawyers but only five percent of the world’s population,

U.S. industry spends hundreds of billion dollars annually on litigation costs and efforts to avoid liability,

We have thirty times more lawsuits than Japan, one of America’s primary trade competitors,

Product innovation in America has been drastically curtailed due to overwhelming liability concerns,

The health care industry, one of the trial lawyers favorite targets, have costs that are spiraling out of sight, leaving many Americans under insured or uninsured, and

The costs of virtually every good and service has an increased cost, reflecting the cost of rampant litigation in this country.
http://www.power-of-attorneys.com/are_there_too_many_lawyers.htm

a serious proposal before sign off
All Laws, and all "Practice" of Law in US Courts should be conducted in English at an 8th Grade Level. If the concept is incapable of being explained to an 8th Grader, than the Law is not intelligible to the Average Person and THEREFORE NOT JUST!
The Concepts in American Law should be so simple that a High School Graduate could understand and defend HIMSELF if charged in court.

If you need a Witch Doctor to explain your own laws to you then a SCAM is being run.

English Common Law was--COMMON! Any 12 Good men and True could understand it--at least in its original concept---time to put the Witch Doctors out of business folks.

the big mick

Taft Doctors Part 1
It really does not sound as if you have any personal relationships with Physicians at all. I am a Financial Advisor and work exclusively with Doctors.

Typcical scenario:

During high school the future doctor avoided sports, band, drama, chess club, friday nigh keggers, girls and fun in general etc etc so he or she could get a 4.0 GPA which would allow them to get into a school good enough to ultimately look good on a medical school application.

Once in college again fun is intentionally avoided, so no fratenities, soroities and while most of us are at the local college pub on Saturday night these people are in the dorm studying. Grades are even more important than they were in high school. Then the grind of spendind 3 months of your summer or worse, during the school year studying for the MCAT. By now you are likely to have $100,000 in student loans.

Getting into Medical Scool is not easy and the stress is huge. In fact if you do get in you are likely NOT getting into your first choice and will probably have to move across the coutry ...AGAIN. Med school is harder than college and after 4 more years of spending 20 hours a day in class, studying or working in university hoispital you have another $100,000 in student loans making it $200,000. By now all of your friends have been in the workforce for 4 years, have moved up, gotten pay raises and maybe even own homes. Now you have to match a residency. You probably are not smart enough to get into Neurosurgery or Cardiac Sugery so most peple go into Internal Medicince, Family Medicine or Pediatrics. Again you are not likely to get your first choice and you are likely to have to move across the country ...AGAIN. Meanwhile your friends are now seriously into their careers, own homes, have families,nice cars, take real vacations, and have investments.

Taft Doctors Part 2

Residency is hell. You will make $32,000 a year if lucky and work, really work, I mean really work 100 hours a week most of the first year and 80 to 90 hours a week the remaining 3 years. You will be on call an dhave to leave family and friends at the drp of a hat and sometimes work 32 hour shifts. At the end you will now have spent another 3 years as someone elses slave, and your friends all 8 years into their lives have completely past you by.

Now you have to find a job. Starting for a pediatrician in most communities is $85,000 and year, and for an internist or Family Practice Doctoe is $110,000. And for this you have 25 patients a day, working through lunch, rounding on patients before and after office hours, mountains of paperwork, hours of dictation, threats of lawsuits, etc etc etc.....


Yeah sure doctors are overpaid.

Vic says
>I have nothing against criminal lawyers, they perform a useful function. I have no room for the any others.<

Then you probably aren't in business or have any complicated tax issues.

dear thebigmic
Concerning the incomprehensibility of US laws...

The US legal system has the "void for vagueness" doctrine, which supposedly means any law not reasonably understandable by the average citizen is null and void, as decided by a judge. If this practice were used, most laws probably would be void, especially and specifically most tax laws.

Too bad we don't use this doctrine anymore. I think it is considered by judges and lawyers, in legalspeak, to be "ultimately and decidedly, not without standing pursuant to thusly stated precident, without the foreknoledge thereof after the fact, pro bonoly inconsistent with and of being to with time itself, not currently heretofore relevantly excercised, henceforth wanton and desirably, in Kennedy's hand is a Harvey Wallbanger, not applicable and/or used."

I hope that helps.

D

Nick in Austin writes...
"I'm thinking of going to the state Atty General. In reality, they (sic) guy is making $500/hr to $900/hr to on (sic) his labor, and there is no competition. Then he adds the shop charges."

I know the price of mechanical work really sucks, but I think if they were really pulling in that sort of money then mechanics would be the new "doctors" and "lawyers".

Really, they need to get a lot of expensive equipment ($5k or more for computer diagnostics etc.) which, wouldn't you know it, you have to help them pay off...

And let's face it, mechanics' work is dirty and physically demanding, and there ar