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Wednesday, September 05, 2007
Ann Coulter :: Townhall.com Columnist
Cruising While Republican
by Ann Coulter
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If you've just returned from your Labor Day vacation and are scanning the headlines from last week's newspapers -- don't panic! America is not threatened by a category 5 hurricane named "Larry Craig."

Despite the 9/11-level coverage, Larry Craig is merely accused of "cruising while Republican." There is nothing liberals love more than gay-baiting, which they disguise as an attack on "hypocrisy."

Chris Matthews opened his "Hardball" program on Aug. 28 by saying Larry Craig had been "exposed as both a sexual deviant and a world-class hypocrite."

Normally, using the word "deviant" in reference to any form of sodomy would be a linguistic crime worse than calling someone a "nappy headed ho." Luckily, Craig is a Republican.

As a backup precaution, Matthews has worked to ensure that there is virtually no audience for "Hardball." I shudder to think of the damage such a remark might have done if uttered about a non-Republican on a TV show with actual viewers.

The New York Times ran 15 articles on Craig's guilty plea to "disorderly conduct" in a bathroom. The Washington Post ran 20 articles on Craig. MSNBC covered it like it was the first moon landing -- Three small taps for a man, one giant leap for public gay sex!

In other news last week, two Egyptian engineering students, Ahmed Abdellatif Sherif Mohamed and Youssef Samir Megahed, were indicted in Tampa on charges of carrying pipe bombs across states lines. They were caught with the bombs in their car near a Navy base.

But back to the real news of the week: CNN's Dana Bash reported that the Larry Craig story was "everywhere and it is not going to let up."

If liberals were any happier, they'd be gay.

Just as liberals were reaching a fever-pitch of pretend shock and dismay at Larry Craig, it was announced that Craig was resigning. And there went MSNBC's fall program schedule.

Indignant that Craig had short-circuited their gleeful gay-baiting, liberals quickly switched to a new set of talking points. In the blink of an eye, they went from calling Craig a "deviant" to attacking Republicans for not insisting that Craig stay.

Liberals said the only reason Republicans were not blanketing the airwaves defending Craig -- maybe running him for president -- was because of Republican "homophobia."

After howling with rage all week about gay Republicans, to turn around and call Republicans homophobes on Friday was nothing if not audacious.

But last Friday -- or, for short, "the day the two bomb-carrying Egyptian students were indicted and the mainstream media was too busy jeering at Larry Craig to notice" -- The New York Times editorialized:

"Underlying the (Republicans') hurry to disown the senator, of course, is the party's brutal agenda of trumpeting the gay-marriage issue. To the extent Sen. Craig, a stalwart in the family values caucus, might morph into a blatant hypocrite before the voters' eyes, he reflects on the party's record in demonizing homosexuality. The rush to cast him out betrays the party's intolerance, which is on display for the public in all of its ugliness."

Liberals don't even know what they mean by "hypocrite" anymore. It's just a word they throw out in a moment of womanly pique, like "extremist" -- or, come to think of it, "gay." How is Craig a "hypocrite," much less a "blatant hypocrite"?

Assuming the worst about Craig, the Senate has not held a vote on outlawing homosexual impulses. It voted on gay marriage. Craig not only opposes gay marriage, he's in a heterosexual marriage with kids. Talk about walking the walk! Did Craig propose marriage to the undercover cop? If not, I'm not seeing the "hypocrisy."

And why is it "homophobic" for Senate Republicans to look askance at sex in public bathrooms? Is the Times claiming that sodomy in public bathrooms is the essence of being gay? I thought gays just wanted to get married to one another and settle down in the suburbs so they could visit each other in the hospital.

Liberals have no idea what they think about homosexuality, which is why their arguments are completely contradictory. They gay-bait Republicans with abandon -- and then turn around and complain about homophobia.

They call Larry Craig a "deviant" based on accusations that he attempted to solicit sex in a public bathroom -- and then ferociously attack efforts to prevent people from having sex in public bathrooms.

They say people are born gay -- and then they say it's the celibacy requirement that turns Catholic priests gay.

They tell us gays want nothing more than to get married -- and then say it's homophobic to oppose homosexual sex in public bathrooms.

Unlike liberals, the "family values caucus" that the Times loathes has only one position on homosexuality: Whatever your impulses are, don't engage in homosexual sex. In fact, don't have any sex at all unless it is between a husband and wife.

The Idaho Statesman spent eight months investigating a rumor that Craig was gay. They interviewed 300 people, going back to his college days. They walked around Union Station in Washington, D.C., with a picture of Craig, asking people if they had seen him loitering around the men's bathrooms.

And they produced nothing.

All they had was the original anonymous charge of sodomy in a bathroom at Union Station that started the eight-month investigation in the first place -- and his plea to "disorderly conduct" after an ambiguous encounter in a bathroom in Minneapolis. Even his enemies said they had never seen any inappropriate conduct by Craig.

If the charges against Craig are true -- and that is certainly in doubt -- he's a sinner (and barely that, according to The Idaho Statesman), but he is among the least hypocritical people in America.

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Gerry Studds Gerry Studds Gerry Studds
Before another milksop hippie gets up his strength via wheatgrass juice to weakly press the keys, let's all remember scumbag pedophile Gerry Studds, the DEMOCRAP who stayed in office even after buggering a 17-year-old ("consensually" of course).

Libturds, you have ZERO moral authority, here or anywhere else. Trot(sky) back to daily kos before embarrassing yourselves further.

Bobaz
You think Craig is innocent? Anyway, stop listening to Fox News. the republicans drove Craig out. They were the ones who should have stood behind Craig.

If the left does have attack dogs they were reared on the meat of Limbaughs.

Sunny
Great question!

Ann?

Hmmmm
Ann states: "Unlike liberals, the "family values caucus" that the Times loathes has only one position on homosexuality: Whatever your impulses are, don't engage in homosexual sex. In fact, don't have any sex at all unless it is between a husband and wife."



Does anyone believe that the never married Ann is still a virgin? Just wondering.

Bobaz...
The one reason why republicans don't swing back is because of Political Correctness. Why stand up and do the right thing when in saying the right thing you get a 'ist, 'ism or 'phobe label slapped on you by our leftist, republican hating media? I'm not just talking about the mainstream media either, I'm talking about the lefts attack dogs, groups like move on dot org and media matters.

Government is like fire, it makes a useful tool, but a perilous master. - George Washington

Why is it that a democrat ...
can make any kind of outrages, unfounded accusation of wrong doing by a republican and the republicans first reponse is to resign from office. When will the republicans come out from under their desks and hit back?

liar, liar
It's okay, Senator, I wouldn't want to be gay in Idaho, either, thanks to you and people like you.

Not only is Craig a blatant hypocrite, his worst victim is, of course, himself.

How would this whole thing have been different if instead of the whole bathroom thing, Craig had decided, of his own volition, to hold a press conference and come out as an open gay man in an open, monogamous gay relationship? He would still have been a hypocrite, of course, for all the years he led the battle against us, his own kind. But he would no longer be a hypocrite after he came out. As it stands, he's "not gay". So, Senator, you continue to lie.

Ann C. twists the Left's meaning and intention, as usual. Liberals only point the Hypocrite label at Sen. Craig because he is so obviously, completely, utterly gay, and he should be able to be gay openly and honestly.

So no, he did not propose marriage to the undercover cop. But if he were courageous and self-actualized enough to be open and honest with himself and the world, he would not need to find anonymous sex in an airport bathroom. He could go meet hot men anywhere, get nasty with them in his own house, and be a happy, content individual.

His hypocrisy is in his using his own self-loathing and self-hatred as a launching pad for our continued legislative and cultural oppression. And that is even more disgusting than airport bathrooms.

Charming...
right wingers sure are a nasty bunch.

"'Egg on the face of Republican'? Maybe so but not nearly as much as the party of the Seditious & Sleazy wallowing in the fecal matter of their own making are coated with it...
"

Uhm, gross.

And not only that, but you sound like Penelope Cruz presenting an award. Assimiliate, please.

juandos
welcome to America - now please, assimilate.

I can't understand what you're saying - seriously.

Hey JetPilot you whinning fool...
How many people has Craig killed?

Can you say the same of one of the leading liberal lips of the party of the Seditious & Sleazy, Ted Kennedy?

'LIBTARD' allen still bragging...
about his inability to come to grips with reality...

Why is Coulter as you say obsessing about Clinton?

Because we are still paying for the actions of the pathlogical liar even today...

Can you say, 'Twin Towers'? Can you say, 'bombed embassies'? Can you say, 'Somalia'? Can you say, "USS Cole'? Can you say, '9-11'?

The list is endless it seems...

'Egg on the face of Republican'? Maybe so but not nearly as much as the party of the Seditious & Sleazy wallowing in the fecal matter of their own making are coated with it...

The party of the Seditious & Sleazy are whining about Abamoff even though they too were willing recipients of his largesse...

Now though the other Hsu has dropped and Hsu makes Abramoff look like an amateur...


For a quick reference...
Please refer to Ann Coulters career for proof of her obsession.

Bill Clinton has not been President for almost a decade, yet Ann Coulter cannot stop talking about his blowj*b (check out her last for columns for reference)

It's laughable and even a littel sad that she would act all surprised and wounded by the Larry Craig catastrophie - compounded by the fact that she has devoted an entire column about how "un-newsworthy" it is a week after anyone really cared.

Ann Coulter has jumped the shark.

Allen, I hate to break it to ya but...
the libs aren't about to let this go. And let Hi-liar-y and BJ have to explain their own Abramoff scandal? I don't think so. This article was hilarious. I've just now had the chance to read it.

I mean, "MSNBC covered it like it was the first moon landing -- Three small taps for a man, one giant leap for public gay sex!

and then, "They were caught with the bombs in their car near a Navy base.

But back to the real news of the week: CNN's Dana Bash reported that the Larry Craig story was "everywhere and it is not going to let up."

If liberals were any happier, they'd be gay."

That is priceless.

As for BJ's member, if he'd followed it out of the White House door like a man with class instead of the shallow, phony weasel he is, you could be complaining about the 2004 landslide GOP win after the worse presidency since Carter, Gore.

Little Oral Annie
All this nonsense coming from a woman who is obsessed with Bill Clinton's "member".

In fact, she owes her entire career to obsessing about his bl*wjob.

Still, this is a boring column even by Coulter standards.

trite, silly and already outdated.

Sorry Ann, the Craig boat "cruised" last week.

Ann is lying again
Ann: Do People really belive your Lies and Bull?

"Despite the 9/11-level coverage, Larry Craig is merely accused of "cruising while Republican."

LIE, he went into the mens room on his own and was looking through the cracks.


"Liberals said the only reason Republicans were not blanketing the airwaves defending Craig -- maybe running him for president -- was because of Republican "homophobia."

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, AGAIN BULL.


""Liberals don't even know what they mean by "hypocrite" anymore. How is Craig a "hypocrite," much less a "blatant hypocrite"?""

Because he has been so ANTI_GAY, does not even want civil unions, not marriage, civil unions and rights for gay couples, AND HE IS FREAKING GAY GAY GAY GAY!


"Did Craig propose marriage to the undercover cop?"

Ann you are retarded and have an adams apple.

"They call Larry Craig a "deviant" based on accusations that he attempted to solicit sex in a public bathroom -- and then ferociously attack efforts to prevent people from having sex in public bathrooms."

ANN WHO IS FIGHTING FOR PUBLIC SEX IN MENS ROOMS? Liar. He pleaded guilty and he was doing all the motions and signals and peaking through cracks. DON'T BE STUPID.

"All they had was the original anonymous charge of sodomy in a bathroom at Union Station that started the eight-month investigation in the first place -- and his plea to "disorderly conduct" after an ambiguous encounter in a bathroom in Minneapolis. Even his enemies said they had never seen any inappropriate conduct by Craig."

ANN ANN ANN you are such a UBER right wing water carrier and will lie lie lie. HE IS GAY GAY GAY and when it comes to sex and family values Republicans are liars and hypocrites. Deal with it. What are you 47 and not married? Family values? Just asking?

Patrick
These points taken in together do not provide hard evidence that that homosexuals are more prone to child abuse than heterosexuals. I have seen no other evidence to contradict that. You may claim otherwise, but that is taking statistical data and miss-applying it. An example is if statistics were to show that most pedophiles are white men does that mean that white men are more prone to child abuse than other races? Do you feel prone to child abuse? Of course not, because that statistic has nothing to do with you as an individual. Which brings us back to the original point about all homosexuals (or even most) being pedophiles.

I took some time to investigate your other sources; and while they were not lacking in merit, they definitely were biased by a preconceived agenda. This, while not necessarily wrong, can be dangerous in scientific analysis. Hence, Finkelhor himself did not draw the same conclusions from his work that you did. At this point, your analysis is identical to the current global warming enthusiasts. We all see that some manner of climate change is occurring, but they have yet to provide a definitive link to that and their theories. Still, they claim to be telling facts and vehemently oppose any who disagree. I believe that tunneler claimed I was acting in typical liberal fashion. The irony is that it’s not me but you (and he) who are.


Patrick
You simply do not understand the nature of statistical analysis. In point 1, the higher the percentage of homosexual men in the total population dilutes the overall result. The result is the point of your theory. Yes, practically all of those 16% of all males were sexually molested by homosexuals; but for your theory to be correct; those molesters would have to comprise a significantly large number of the total homosexual population. In your particular theory, that number would have to be approaching 100%. I disagree with your calculations being based on 0.8% - 1.0% ratio. In short, the homosexual population is greater than that. As a test case, consider San Francisco. If your theory is correct, that city would have the highest number of sexual assaults by a wide margin.

In point 2, you misunderstand the statistical significance of repeat offenders. As the study deals with total numbers, each time a pedophile commits an assault, he dilutes the final analysis. Remember, it’s that final analysis which comprises your point. In short, 16 boys out of a group of 100 were molested by homosexual. That does not mean that 16 homosexuals were involved. Due to repeat offenders, the number could easily be less than 10. When that number is placed into your initial formula, we derive at a lower number which is inconsistent with your theory.

In point 3, I understand and respect your passion; but there are reasons why Finkelhor took the time to delineate between various types of assaults. Consider the nature of hazing. Some schools, not just college fraternities, engage in the cruel practice of hazing the younger or new students. While the actions sometimes take the form of homoeroticism, they are not necessarily perpetrated by homosexuals. You are free to interpret these incidents as gay violence, but I can think of a Phillips Academy and Yale alumni who may differ in opinion.

BrianR: He pled guilty to disorderly...
BrianR writes: Thursday, September, 06, 2007 12:33
Ann missed the boat on this one
The guy PLED GUILTY.

Can't get around that. This isn't some rumor, or innuendo, or unsubstantiated claim in the MSM or KOS.

He PLED GUILTY.
______________________________________________

...conduct.

Yes, he pled guilty to a reduced charge of disorderly conduct, nothing to do with the lewdness that the libs/lefties are salivating over.

AGZ
I don't remember the name of it. We were there only that one time.

AGZ
I don't remember the name of it. We were there only that one time.

Ann needs a distraction
I just love it when Coulter projects her hatred onto others. It shows just how little she's got to offer, and how desperate she is. Time for a new book, Ann, you're fading quickly over the horizon.

Yeah, the devil made them do it...
Yes, Capt. Libtard, the devil gives gays the "impulse" to fornicate. He also gives heterosexuals the "impulse" to fornicate. The concept is known as temptation. As good Christians, we're supposed to overcome the temptation. To give in is to commit sin. Of course, a Godless heathen atheist libtard, like yourself, wouldn't understand something like that since you sneer at such meaningless mythology as The Bible...

Yeah, the devil made them do it...
Yes, Capt. Libtard, the devil gives gays the "impulse" to fornicate. He also gives heterosexuals the "impulse" to fornicate. The concept is known as temptation. As good Christians, we're supposed to overcome the temptation. To give in is to commit sin. Of course, a Godless heathen atheist libtard, like yourself, wouldn't understand something like that since you sneer at such meaningless mythology as The Bible...

Hey Capt. Libtard...
I guess you missed all those gays down in Ft. Lauderdale calling for the mayor's head on a plate because he wanted one-person stalls in the new public restrooms so "they" couldn't exercise their constitutional right to do each other in public...

Two and a half hours and counting...
Still waiting for a lib to answer my question... Guess I better not hold my breath. Maybe they're all in bed...

Schumer's hateful, disgraceful rant
This is what Senator Charles Schumer, the third-ranking Democrat in the Senate, said on the floor of the Senate yesterday.

“This is a policy of last resort! This is a policy of desperation! And let me be clear: the violence in Anbar has gone down despite the surge, not because of the surge!” The lack of protection for these tribes from al Qaeda made it clear to these tribes, ‘We have to fight al-Qaeda ourselves’. It wasn’t that the surge brought peace here. It was that the warlords had to create a temporary peace here on their own. And that is because there was no one else there [US soldiers] protecting them!”

This man is a traitor. I have heard that he tried to "backtrack" on these remarks today, but I am not accepting any explanations or apologies.

Larry Craig has to resign because he played footsie with an undercover cop, but this traitor gets a pass for denigrating our troops and lying?

It's time for all you libs who claim to support the troops to stand up and be counted. Schumer won't resign just because a bunch of cons like me say he should. Stand up and show us how much you really care about the troops. Run this traitor out of DC on a rail.

reply to ColinCody
See my post. I'm quite serious. Let the Republican Party commit itself to the principled expulsion of gays from its ranks and take steps to prevent them joining the party or running as its candidates. I won't believe you and your
Christian colleagues mean anything you say until you show that you're willing to take action to promote your beliefs. You control the Republican party, so act now; otherwise you are all hypocrites and cowards.

Actually, I don't care
Actually, I don't care if Craig is gay, bi, whatever: that's between him and his partners. I do care that he's stupid enough to think public figures can solicit anonymous sex. I do care that his actions gave the entire Rep. party a black eye.

Attention, GOP, this is your voter speaking. Please return all zippers to their full upright and locked position and prepare for elections.

No exceptions---
The New Testament condemns homosexuality in all its forms without exception. Read the first chapter of the book of Romans. Anyone who claims to be a Christian must condemn Sen. Craig's actions to the fullest or admit to being a wolf in sheep's clothing. There are no exceptions for conservative Republicans; in fact, conservatives must be held to an even higher moral and intellectual standard than others. Get rid of the wicked old pervert, and do it now. He would be a thorough disgrace to the Dems and is far moreso to Republicans.

No exceptions---
The New Testament condemns homosexuality in all its forms without exception. Read the first chapter of the book of Romans. Anyone who claims to be a Christian must condemn Sen. Craig's actions to the fullest or admit to being a wolf in sheep's clothing. There are no exceptions for conservative Republicans; in fact, conservatives must be held to an even higher moral and intellectual standard than others. Get rid of the wicked old pervert, and do it now. He would be a thorough disgrace to the Dems and is far moreso to Republicans. !!Ron Paul for President, a man of genuine honor and incorruptability!!

Since we're discussing hypocrisy...
I'd like to hear from a liberal out there an explanation as to why what Hsu did was not just as bad as what Abramoff did and why they aren't pointing out the "Culture of Corruption" in the democrat party like they so gleefully did in the Republican party before the last election. Seems to me that every democrat who accepted money from Hsu should be branded as corrupt just as every Republican who accepted money from Abramoff was. And doesn't the fact that Hsu gave money exclusively to democrats mean that the whole democrat party is corrupt?

So how about it libs? Care to explain the finer points to me?

Just Change Parties and be a HERO!
All Craig has to do is to change party nominatuion from Republican to Democrat and he'll be a HERO in the eyes of the liberals. Just like that deviant Barney Frank and the other sick idiot democrat congressman who got a standing ovation after being sensured.

Definition of a Democrat

Democrat(n): a rich, whinny, out-of-touch, deviant, self hating, condescending, racist, two-faced, elitist snob supposedly looking out for THE GOOD OF THE PEOPLE

mrs Paddy
I have noticed the edit box does not always erase when you post.

Even if you erase it manually it will still keep posting whenever someone refreshes.

If you see the edit box did not erase then leave the thread.
(Red X button in upper right corner.)

That seems to erase the edit box.

This site is an echo-chamber today!
What gives? One post morphs into multiples! It's like rabbits!

This site is an echo-chamber today!
What gives? One post morphs into multiples! It's like rabbits!

soothsayer
Oh lighten up! I just figured if you needed the information it was because you needed to replace yours. Obviously, you've never shopped at Wal-Mart. They,of course, wouldn't carry Tinfoil hats. Their customers are smarter than that, so there's no demand. Good luck finding one for yourself, though.

Ah, soothsayer.
Still seeking validation from the Right, I see. I notice you knock everything Ann writes, but offer nothing substantive in return--no rebuttal, no honest debate, nothing but smarmy, pseudo-elitist comments designed to make us all think you are smarter than anyone else. In future, whenever I need to read the blatherings of a halfwit, I'll know where to find you, m'dear. Cheers.

soothsayer
Oh lighten up! I just figured if you needed the information it was because you needed to replace yours. Obviously, you've never shopped at Wal-Mart. They,of course, wouldn't carry Tinfoil hats. Their customers are smarter than that, so there's no demand. Good luck finding one for yourself, though.

motley paddy
I wrote "Do you paranoid kooks make your own tinfoil hats, or does walmart sell them?"

And you geniuses talk about making your own - as if thats a novel thought. Geez, I try to write in short, simple sentences for you people, but I guess I still set the bar too high.

Randy Rhodes on Craig ...
in a moment of weakness when Hannity had a substitute in for him I surfed onto AirHead America and guess what: Randy was bashing on Craig but good ...

the funniest part was her routine sounded indistinguishable from what any yahoo would say in the same situation: ridiculing some old audio sound bytes from the Lewinsky era ... of Craig in a sibilant voice calling Clinton a "naughty man" ...

she went on to laud Bubba as the "rake hero" who was having sex with the "very hot Monica Lewinsky in a thong" ... something that every Bob Packwood Republican would desire but just doesn't have the virility to bring off in the Ted Kennedy/Bill Clinton style. it doesn't hurt for Randy to be a fellow traveling but blind yenta too ... but never mind she was evidently on a roll in her own mind: Dems virile and masculine (in spite of their being anti-gun, anti-machismo, etc.) Republicans effeminate and impotent (in spite of being pro-gun, pro male, etc.)

just when I thought to myself that Randy had burned all of the Dems bridges and talking points with the homosexual lobby ... with her clearly homophobic hate speech while extolling heterosexual promiscuity ... I pulled into my driveway ...

only to be treated to pt. II when I had to take my kid to soccer practice. in another moment of weakness (Savage was not on yet) I tuned into Randy again. this time she was evidently concerned about the bridges she'd just burned with the gay lobby so without skipping a beat she starts talking from the other side of her mouth; about how the homophobes in the Republican party display absolutely no loyalty toward homosexuals such as Craig and why would a homosexual ever be or vote for a Republican or a Conservative. she then went on to put out all the usual Democratic talking points on gays in the military and the rest of the party platform ... talk about "H"ypocrisy with a capital 'H.'

A rules change
Republicans need to tighten up their admission requirements. they've just got to make prospective Republicans swear they aren't gay, that they're relentlessly hetero (and require proof), and that they employ only standard, normal approaches to sexual activity (evidence could be required here too). Obviously too many gays have gotten into office-holding positions because the party has been lax on quality control. You guys have to clean up your act.

The first step is to out and remove all gays from any responsible posiitons in the party, as well as get those gay Republicans out of Congress (as well as all state legislatures). I'm sure there are some gay Republicans in the federal and state court systems. Well, they've gotta go too, so get to work.

Once this purge is complete, the party should implement its new antigay rule. Then, at least, more Republicans will be happy about their party. Eventually, the party will be strong enough to move directly to its major legislative item for the next few years: getting federal legislation passed to outlaw gays, with appropriate criminal sanctions. We'll call it "Patrick's Law."

Sexuality is a choice
"Whatever your impulses are, don't engage in homosexual sex. In fact, don't have any sex at all unless it is between a husband and wife."

Any questions?

WHY GRAIG ERRED

.....According to my sources Craig confided to an aide that he was driven to anonymous gay sex because his wife had teased him about "not having enough fruit in his loom" .....COLOSSUS

soothyboy's nonnon and a group question
Soothyboy! Another excellent example of the non-rebuttal rebuttal ole sod. Using Slick Willie as an example is guaranteed to produce one from any CQ within hearing.

All: Why would Homosexual Repubes refer to themselves as "Abe Lincoln" or "Log Cabin" Republicans? If they called themselves Gilded Bird Cage would make sense--Trust Fund Homosexuals--but to the best of my knowledge old Abe wasn't Homosexual. So why they trashing him, like they've trashed the terms "gay", "yfaggot" and "yqueer"--which used to be perfectly usable words in Standard English?

the big mick

GUILTY !!
Senator Craig is, without question, guilty of stupidity. If he in fact did or even appeared to solicit sex in a public restroom, it was pure stupidity. If he did not, then his guilty plea was pure stupidity.

More stupid than the average Congress critter? Probably not. Just more obvious about it.

I'm talking to myself, as usual.
It's an age thing.
Signing off.

He's right. Web site is squirrelly!
bman1
Good thing I didn't see the pictures BEFORE lunch.

He's right. Web site is squirrelly!
bman1
Good thing I didn't see the pictures BEFORE lunch.

tunneler, bman1
tunneler
No. I'm not reupping, no matter what Herr Oberst says.

bman1
Nice body but, as we used to say in the grocery business, a "double bagger."

Vic, if you're still out there ....
We lived just past the commercial part of Union street on Steiner beginning in 1977. What bar were you at?

Patrick and Patrick
As the Highlander said, "There can only be one . . ."

Patrick
I don't dispute that homosexuality is deviant. What I do take umbrage with is your viewpoint that all homosexuals should be rounded up, tried (on charges of pedophilia) and executed.

watching the consensus grow
Patrick is a very clever conservative. He posts so much, in response to a number of columns, that he has become a very visible presence. His "final solution" to the gay problem probably sounded bizarre to some TH readers, but the more he sells it, with all of his documentation to make the need for it seem credible, the closer more TH readers get to taking it as a legitimately debatable option instead of the psychotic raving it really is.

Congratulations, Pat. Heinrich Himmler should take your correspondence course.

Come on Ann!!!
We all know the real reason for the 9/11 like coverage of Senator Craig San Francisco style hookup, was to prevent anyone from paying attention to the new chapter of Chinese money financing the Clinton campaign.

Norman Hsu failed to appear. There is a whole section of the forbidden city in Beijing with street names after Clinton Chinese money launderers.

The US media is always ready to play interference for the Clintons

Come on Ann!!!
We all know the real reason for the 9/11 like coverage of Senator Craig San Francisco style hookup, was to prevent anyone from paying attention to the new chapter of Chinese money financing the Clinton campaign.

Norman Hsu failed to appear. There is a whole section of the forbidden city in Beijing with street names after Clinton Chinese money launderers.

The US media is always ready to play interference for the Clintons

MikeR - part 5 (conclusion)
Incidence of Child Sex Abuse Among Homosexuals
http://www.thecoolchurch.com/homsexual.html (scroll down)

Thorstad writes: "Boy-lovers were involved in the gay movement from the beginning, and their presence was tolerated. Gay youth groups encouraged adults to attend their dances. . . . There was a mood of tolerance, even joy at discovering the myriad of lifestyles within the gay and lesbian subculture." David Thorstad, "May/Boy Love and the American Gay Movement" Journal of Homosexuality 20 (1990): 252.

1990 the Journal of Homosexuality published a series of essays on pedophilia that were eventually published as Male Inter-Generational Intimacy: Historical, Socio-Psychological, and Legal Perspectives, edited by pedophile Edward Brongersma. None of the essays offered any substantive criticism of pedophilia: most blatantly promoted man-boy love as the natural right of homosexuals.

In 1999 Helmut Graupner, wrote an article on pedophilia in the Journal of Homosexuality, in which he claims: "Man/boy and woman/girl relations without doubt are same-sex relations and they do constitute an aspect of gay and lesbian life." Graupner argues that, as such, consensual sexual relations between adult homosexuals and youths as young as fourteen qualify as a "gay rights issue." Helmut Graupner, "Love Versus Abuse: Cross generational Sexual Relations of Minors: A Gay Rights Issue?" Journal of Homosexuality 37 (1999): 23, 26.

MikeR - part 4
Incidence of Child Sex Abuse Among Homosexuals
http://www.thecoolchurch.com/homsexual.html (scroll down)

Many homosexuals admit that they are pedophiles: "The love between men and boys is at the foundation of homosexuality". San Francisco Sentinel, 27 March 1992 .

The best epidemiological evidence indicates that only 2 to 4 percent of men attracted to adults prefer men (ACSF Investigators, 1992; Billy et al., 1993; Fay et al., 1989; Johnson et al., 1992); in contrast, around 25 to 40 percent of men attracted to children prefer boys (Blanchard et al., 1999; Gebhard et al., 1965; Mohr et al., 1964). Thus, the rate of homosexual attraction is 6 to 20 times higher among pedophiles."

David Thorstad is a homosexual sex activist and historian of the gay rights movement. He is a former president of New York 's Gay Activists Alliance (GAA), a prototype activist group founded in December 1969. The GAA at its inception opposed age of consent laws, which prohibited adults from having sex with children. Thorstad is also a pedophile and founding member of the North American Man Boy Love Association (NAMBLA). David Thorstad, "Man/Boy Love and the American Gay Movement" Journal of Homosexuality 20 (1990): 252.


MikeR - part 3
Incidence of Child Sex Abuse Among Homosexuals
http://www.thecoolchurch.com/homsexual.html (scroll down)

Judith Reisman, president of the Institute for Media Education points to figures from a 1991 population study by the U.S. Department of Commerce. It showed that 6-8 million boys were abused by age 18 by 1-2 million adult homosexuals, a ratio of 3-5 victims for every gay adult. They showed that 67 percent of all reported sex abuse victims are children and 64 percent of forcible sodomy victims are boys under 12.

Even homosexual activists don't try to hide the connection with pedophilia. In The Gay Report -- a book published back in 1979 – authors Karla Jay and Allen Young found that 73 percent of those surveyed had had sexual relations with males 16 to 19 or younger. (Karla Jay and Allen Young, The Gay Report: Lesbians and Gay Men Speak Out about Sexual Experiences and Lifestyles, New York: Summit Books, 1979, p. 275)

A 1999 article in the Journal of Homosexuality by Helmut Graupner argued that same-sex relations with minors should be considered a gay rights issue. The article argued that children wouldn't necessarily be harmed by sexual contact with adults. Homosexuals more likely to molest kids, study reports, Ken Walker May 30,2001 http://www.bpnews.net/

Homosexuals commit more than 33% of all reported child molestations in the United States , which, taking into account that homosexuals make up only 2% of the population, means that 1 in 20 homosexuals is a child molester, while 1 in 490 heterosexuals is a child molester. Psychological Reports, 1986, 58, pp. 327-37.

MikeR - part 2
"3. Patrick did not include the delineation of various types of assaults, but rather used a lump sum that increased the overall number."

That's your weakest argument. A sexual assault against a child is a sexual assault. Period.

"In mathematics, an error in any of these points invalidates the result."

That's incorrect. It doesn't invalidate it, it merely requires the provision of additional data, which is abundant on the web. The other day I referred you to a reliable website that was chock-full of such data.

"An error in all three of these points makes the results worthless."

Redundant and wrong again.

"Finally, my initial objection has always been Patrick’s assertion that ALL homosexuals are pedophiles. There is no data to support that."

No, your actual view was stated at Thursday, September, 06, 2007 10:00

"No, it is NOT POSSIBLE even REMOTELY that homosexuals are MORE PRONE to child abuse than heterosexuals. I have seen absolutely no evidence to convince me otherwise." (EMPHASES ADDED)

The evidence is abundant and clear that homosexuals are more prone to child abuse than heterosexuals. The very idea that we need to debate this when Congress itself has been infested with the likes of Studds and Barney Franks is simply amazing.

MikeR - part 1
MikeR writes: Thursday, September, 06, 2007 2:42 PM

"1. No hard data is provided as to the percentage of homosexuals in the general male population."

While that's technically correct, your response is flawed. Hard data IS given in the study for the percentage of molested male youths, which is 16% of the population. It is a standard observation that 97% of all sexual assaults are by males, so we're looking at practically all of those 16% of all males having been sexually molested by homosexuals.

Surely you're not maintaining that homosexuals constitute anything like 16% of the population.

"2. No account was taken for repeat offenders."

In that study, yes. Pedophiles - both homosexual and heterosexual - molest in extraordinary - and comparable - numbers. The effects cancel out each other.

Bman and all
I guess I'm going to give it up for today. The Site has really gone squirrelly. Catch ya'll tomorrow.

What's up with the website--
I only posted my comment once, yet here it is in three places . . .

What's up with the website--
I only posted my comment once, yet here it is in three places . . .

This site is really messed up today.
It takes the post and then says it didn't take the post. I would bet that the index file is corrupted. Which means to fix it they are going to lose a lot of posts.

Bman
I hope the Syrians learned a long time ago that for them tangling with the Israeli AF was a losing propositon.

Bman
You asked MikeR, "Are you gay?"

Is that because you think only a gay person would disagree with Patrick's assertion that all homosexuals are pedophiles and should thus be executed?

gee
gee writes: Thursday, September, 06, 2007 2:20 PM

"You wrote, 'Because homosexual germ bombs spread serious diseases such as AIDS, MDR-TB and XDR-TB, and hepatitis, Homeland security should maintain regular overall surveillance of homosexuals and their activities. They should be prepared to quarantine homosexuals just as they would in any other biowarfare situation.'

Isn't the fact that 'homosexual' diseases haven't exploded into the heterosexual community evidence that you're resorting to hyperbole?"


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No more so than the fact that radioactive bombs haven't yet been detonated in the US renders real concern about the possibility hyperbolic.

Actually, many diseases (such as hepatitis) have already spread due to homosexual behavior. And both MDR-TB and XDR-TB are already waiting in the wings. Eventually, even AIDS (which mutates annually 4%) may mutate in one or more of its multi-million homosexual vectors worldwide to the point that it can be spread by the same airborne means as the common cold or flu.

The results could dwarf a bird flu epidemic of the type that homeland security is presently monitoring.

Bman
You asked MikeR, "Are you gay?"

Is that because you think only a gay person would disagree with Patrick's assertion that all homosexuals are pedophiles and should thus be executed?

Bman
You asked MikeR, "Are you gay?"

Is that because you think only a gay person would disagree with Patrick's assertion that all homosexuals are pedophiles and should thus be executed?

Okay, guys. Be nice.
You know as well as I do that Oprah's fighting the Battle of the Bulge. You also know as well as I do that there is no food worth mentioning in Ethiopia, except for a few starved dogs. Ergo, Oprah won't be caught dead eating dog food, she just wants all her guests to get a taste of what will be served in the WH once Obama gets elected.

For the rest of ya'll

Guns, Tunneler Bman
I have just read this thread and I have LMAO!! Guns, I needed a few spew alerts..best one was the "we are the world" crack. I 'm packin' up for the hunt...I got ya a pin...Snoopy, flipping the bird to --you guessed it, Jane!!! "f---you, Jane!!
Snickering at the thought of your "wood""ahahahahahahaha
Tunneler,I'll see you there.

All
Got to go gents. It's been a GOOD day/night stepping on liberals.

AGZ
Don't let them get you down. One of the best times I ever had was on July 4, 1976 at a bar on Union Street. A bunch of us put on our dress blues and went down to the bar and met up with a bunch of Aussies who were in port in SF for the bicentential. We took over the bar for the night. I crawled across the street on the way out to my bike and looked up at a SF cop. I slurred at him, "I bet if I get on that bike you're gonna run me in" He said sure am.

I called a cab back to Alameda.

Bman1
What reallt chaps my hide is that buttwads like Chappaquiddick Ted have NEVER EVEN BEEN OVER HERE and can make their hasty generalizations AND have the libsheep lapping up that pablum.

Liberals are a blight on America and the sooner we're shed of them, the better off we'll be.

Bman1
I don't know WHY the multiple posts, I pulled the trigger once!

THAT was FUNNY and a spot on analysis of the Dhimmicrats. They make me sick. They're so stupid and predictable, like the dumba** mule that's their symbol.

Old Oprah joke
In the Chicago area in the late '80's the joke was this.

Did you hear about Oprah? She got busted at O'Hare for trying to board a plane with 90 lbs. of crack.

Bman1
I thought that it said "ORCA" not Oprah. I get them confused and often am AMAZED that they hide her dorsal fin so well.

Bman1
I thought that it said "ORCA" not Oprah. I get them confused and often am AMAZED that they hide her dorsal fin so well.

Bman1
I thought that it said "ORCA" not Oprah. I get them confused and often am AMAZED that they hide her dorsal fin so well.

wiseone
Thanks but I owe it all to Sun Tzu.

"If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle."

I know my enemy and their name is Dhimmicrat.

GunnyG
It may be the first case of the Limbaugh Echo Syndrome in reverse.

Maybe we should tell Rush to add your blog to his show-prep.

Bman - I heard the new parody. All good humor has an element of truth in it. This one has more than an element. It is dead-on accurate.

Bman1
The dorks were singing "We are the world." And Drudge is running a story about the Dhimmicrats ALREADY disregarding Petreus' report, and it's still SIX DAYS before he speaks.

When do we get to go Liberal Hunting?

Hillary wants open gays in military.
The MASH TV series comes to mind when I picture that.

I see a vision of Corporal Klinger swaggering down the deck of a DD wearing a floppy hat, floral dress and stiletto heals.

tunneler
No, I actually read Finkelhor’s paper and discovered that Patrick’s figures were used erroneously. This was pointed out in the response, but I will try and simplify it for you.

1. No hard data is provided as to the percentage of homosexuals in the general male population.

2. No account was taken for repeat offenders.

3. Patrick did not include the delineation of various types of assaults, but rather used a lump sum that increased the overall number.

In mathematics, an error in any of these points invalidates the result. An error in all three of these points makes the results worthless. Finally, my initial objection has always been Patrick’s assertion that ALL homosexuals are pedophiles. There is no data to support that.

I find it odd that my actions are supposed to represent a typical liberal. What do yours represent?

AGZ
On your impending retirement, Herr Overlord Rove just called me to tell you that he wants you to stay in the belly of the beast. We NEED an insider there.

GunnyG
VRWC District Leader

Again, I say touche
You've really outdone yourself.

wiseone
HEH HEH, I, GunnyG, beat the Godfather to the punch!

So let it be written, so let it be spread across the land.

Bman1
UGH! I WASSSSSSSS gonna do mid-rats before heading to the hootch but not now.

crusty???

YEECH!

tunneler
Rush has played the audio of Schumer's blather twice already.

Everytime I think lil' Chuckie can't become any more despicable he proves me wrong.

In this case the Dems are really unhinged by their fear that we might actually succeed in Iraq. If we win in Iraq they will not have been more wrong about anything since they scoffed at Reagan's plan to defeat the USSR.

They really are desperate to find some way to insist that Iraq is an unmitigated disaster.


GunnyG - as I am typing this Rush is opining that Hsu will probably go to Hong Kong or "I wouldn't be surprised if he winds up dead."

Patrick--
You wrote, "Because homosexual germ bombs spread serious diseases such as AIDS, MDR-TB and XDR-TB, and hepatitis, Homeland security should maintain regular overall surveillance of homosexuals and their activities. They should be prepared to quarantine homosexuals just as they would in any other biowarfare situation."

Isn't the fact that "homosexual" diseases haven't exploded into the heterosexual community evidence that you're resorting to hyperbole? Furthermore, what sort of conservative encourages the growth in the size of government that would be required to monitor the daily activities of all homosexuals? Hell, I'd be happy if Homeland Security could figure out how to find the terrorists in our midst with student visas, but they can't even figure that out. Yet, you expect them to monitor the daily activities of roughly a million people? Why stop there--if homosexuality is a choice, then in theory, they might have to monitor us all to make sure none of us try to "woo in the loo" at some point.

I find homosexuality pretty creepy. But, as I said to you yesterday (bearing in mind that the accusation of "Nazi" is entirely over done), your solutions sound a great deal like the rhetoric of an infamous Austrian corporal with a Charlie Chaplin mustache.

Nebraska the Red State
djoyjr writes: I live in Nebraska, by the way, and states don't come to much "redder".

How'd we get stuck with the color red, anyway? Red seems to fit the dems much better that us.

I want to reassign the color chart in '08. Let's paint our states Red, White & Blue. And Let them keep just Red. :)

MikeR...
Your 12:23 post was the classic non-response response.

You were given the data, and the numbers, and you failed to provide the necessary completion of the exercise.

If 37.2% of the child sex abuse crimes are commited by homosexuals, and homosexuals make up something in the neighborhood of 1% of the general population, that means the out of every 100 child sex abuse crimes committed, 37 are committed by homosexuals. Now if you take, say a population of 100,000 (for ease of you being able to calculate this), then 1000 members of the target population are homosexual and 99,000 are heterosexual. Do you see what these numbers represent? They represent the overwhelming over-representation of pedophiles being homosexual.

The fact that you couldn't arrive at this on your own and state it, is well; disappointing but so typical of liberals.

MotleyCrue
Now, don't be condescending. Perhaps Soothsayer doesn't have the instructional manual in oragami in order to make a tinfoil hat. Either that, or perhaps she just doesn't understand that there are alternatives to buying something ready-made?
Cut her a break. She's doing the best she can.

Motley, GunnyG, Bman1
Enough, already! I'm about to go to lunch!

Bman1
You can keep from laughing out loud? I can't and here at the PRSF, if I get caught looking at this stuff, it's a capital offense!

Soothsayer.
Anyone with half a brain knows you don't have to buy a ready made tinfoil hat. Just go to the supermarket for some foil and make your own. Duh.

Bman1
I can't even IMAGINE being downwind of Rosie. Her stench is probably why she's never visited Africa. She's afraid of drawing hyenas from a 50 mile radius not to mention every blowfly on the continent.

soothsayer
Seeking shopping information about tinfoil hats? What, did you lose your supplier?

Hank.
Just shows how stupid those dem. operatives are. Probably from the PRSF. Don't they know you can't plug a hairdryer into a snowbank and expect it to work.

soothsayer
Re: Tinfoil hats. Did you lose your supplier?

Frank writes:
Some of you people just don't get it. This comment section is for people to comment on Ann's column--not a place for you to communicate about anything you want!
=================================================
Geeze. Sorry, Frank. Tell you what. Go ahead and post your comments, and if, (as I suspect they will be) your comments are substantive, logical, and well thought out. You will get an answer. Otherwise, just join in the fun, even if you're a lib. Cheers.

GunnyG
Nope, not a "thread monitor" at all. I just didn't see the point of the article in reference to the discussion. If the point was to show that Hollywood is weird, well, an article about a false rumor concerning some guy in Hollywood probably isn't the best choice.

MotleyCrue
San Francisco used to be a beautiful place especially back in 1977 when my late wife and I moved up here. Back then, there were actual REPUBLICANS who had been elected or ran for office. But, things have changed in 30 years!

Also, not a peep from the panderers in City hall about Craig and his problem!

Patrick
I think I now understand how you drew such unique conclusions from Finkelhor’s paper. If you take some time and review, you will find that all those words in my 12:23 response were an explanation. Perhaps you could show the flaw in my reasoning instead of just claiming the response doesn’t exist.

Hey GunnyG...
Head over to hughhewitt.com and read and listen to "UP" Chuck Schumer's commentary about the quality, caliber, and skill of the US Military.

It will turn your stomach. I wrote Schumer's office several times last night after I heard this.

tunneler
Last time I looked I was swinging some lumber! haha.

I figured soothiepoopie was just showing her ignorance...as usual.

Thanks Patrick...
I just perused Mike R's 12:23 post. If I didn't know better I would have thought that this clown is Robert, aka Roberto, aka Rocky Jones, and who knows what other monikers he's using these days.

Talk about a convoluted, obtuse and cryptic slew of nonsense.

You're right, he wasn't able to refute anything that you cited, and even though he had it in his hands, with the majority of abuse being heterosexual, the fact that homosexuals are such a small percentage of the population and yet commit such a large percentage of the overall abuse, it's an easy step to the conclusion that homosexuals are remarkably overrepresented as a percentage of population and incidence.

Oh well, I guess some will never get it...


gee
gee, I don't know. Are you the thread monitor? If so, I'll make sure I stick to the article.

OOPS.
My post to AGZ should have been, PRSF, not PSRF.

tunneler
It's even worse ... I work for the City and County of San Francisco ... the big belly of the beast!

There is a bright spot, however. I'm retiring in 116 days, 13 hours, 24 minutes, and 8 seconds.

Other Patrick:
How long have you been a TH member?

Oh motley...
You are shrewd. Just like the whole melting polar ice cap scam. Can't wait to see it come out that dem. operatives have been swarming to the polar ice caps with hair dryers for the past couple of years, in an effort to discredit the right wing industrialists.

soothpoopie...
"one last question...
Do you paranoid kooks make your own tinfoil hats, or does walmart sell them?"

How do you come up with your material? Did your tinfoil hat fall off one day and you had an epiphany?

I can see it now; "Woah, tinfoil hat, my head, no wonder they say that." "Well I'll show them." "Boy oh boy was my post on Thursday, September, 06, 2007 at 1:14 PM, really a gotcha post!"

AGZ.
PSRF? I'm so sorry. I took a train up there from L.A. for a day of sightseeing; got to see the wharf and Lombard street, and ate fish and chips at the Crabhouse on the pier. And there were all those jolly couples...men with men, women with women, just laughing and chatting and being carefree and gay...
One day was enough.

Not my post
Thursday, September, 06, 2007 12:33 PM

Oh man, AGZ...
I'm sorry to hear that.

I can see where your social life would be miserable. Nothing there that even approaches rational and based on common sense.

Golly gee again
gee writes: Thursday, September, 06, 2007 10:56 AM

Patrick--
Go ahead and tell us what you would like to have done to all homosexuals in the U.S.


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1. Enact the mandatory death penalty for all pedophiles (hetero AND homo) on the first offense. Otherwise, simply continue to prosecute pedophiles as we do now.

As homosexuals are pedophiles, the expected result would be a minor diminution in the number of heterosexuals; with a concomitant virtual extinction of homosexuals.

2. Because homosexual germ bombs spread serious diseases such as AIDS, MDR-TB and XDR-TB, and hepatitis, Homeland security should maintain regular overall surveillance of homosexuals and their activities. They should be prepared to quarantine homosexuals just as they would in any other biowarfare situation.

A good summary of homosexual diseases that cites sources:
http://www.thecoolchurch.com/homsexual.html

tunneler
PRSF...People's Republic of San Francisco, Frisco, for short.

AGZ...
What is the PSRF?


tunneler was right
tunneler writes: Thursday, September, 06, 2007 10:47 AM
Patrick...
You're asking Mike R to deductively reason, perform some simple analysis and arrive at a logical fact based conclusion ... Don't count on Mike R to figure anything out on his own either...chuckling

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You sure had MikeR pegged right. Just look at MikeR's Thursday, September, 06, 2007 12:23 PM post. He fails to refute ANYTHING with facts. He simply disagrees without any explanation.

The evidence is overwhelming that homosexuals are pedophiles.


Further info on NJ democraps...
The 11 caught and charged in Operation Broken Board, were nabbed extorting bribes from roofing contractors competing to get the roofing contracts for NJ public schools.

More as additional information comes to light...

Hey soothpoopie...
"I love you guys!"

And then this is posted...

"gunnyg is the best poster here
She's what we used to call an "uppity broad"!"

I love you guys, but GunnyG is a "She?" Am I missing something here?

Frank
Sorry, but they've (wiseone, bman1, lolo2, GunnyG, et al) shot down all the lib arguments. So, they're helping me with my dismal social life. This is the only place were I can meet people with similar views. (I work in the the PRSF!) Have mercy on me.

Come on folks...including Ann
Craig does not represent the republican party anymore than, say, William Jefferson represents the democratic party; these 2 creeps represent themselves-they are acting alone.
Commentary should reflect that- it did for Jefferson!
The "defense" that I'm hearing is a bit strange; I am an Ann Coulter fan; but,please!
Democrats have every right to milk this story (it's all they have) Repubicans, in turn, need to NOT engage in this petty "conversation"!
The "protest too much" card carries way too much guilt-I'll be interested in seeing how fast TH can drop this story......

wiseone
Speaking of only using one sheet, I wonder if Rosie O'Donnell uses one twin-sized or one queen-sized sheet to wipe that garganuan back bumper she lugs around?

She must have a washer/dryer next to the crapper.

GunnyG
Maybe I mis-read something, but I thought the point of the article was that wild rumors about a film director having a sex-change operation were completely false . . . What does that have to do with the points in Ann's column?

...or this?
The cop was hired by NOW to see how many girly-men have caved in to their campaign to force men to pee sitting down.

Lolo2
Well, I posted the link on the thingfish from Hollyweird in rebuttal to the nimrods showing up here calling US homophobic and swearing on a stack of Mao's little red book that homosexuality is normal.

Yeah, like Bubba Clinton swearing off fat ugly interns.

How about this?
The cop is moonlighting as detective hired by Sheryl crow to make sure everyone is only using one sheet.

one last question...
Do you paranoid kooks make your own tinfoil hats, or does walmart sell them?

Lolo2
Just doing my part! haha.

We've chased all of the libscum after they posted stupid SH*T earlier. Nice commentary now that they're all at their group therapy sessions or at the Church of The Goreacle and Gaia.

big mick
calm down fella, skipping your meds is never a good idea.

Motley
You're close.

The cop will turn out to be the husband of a "covert operative" at the NY Times.

AGZ
No, Ted raises his own liberals to hunt although he often sends us a few at the VRWC Annual BBQ for the kid's hunting session.

It wouldn't surprise me,
when the truth of what actually happened comes out, that Larry Craig was trapped into toe-tapping by a cross-dresser. I have a suspicion that (a) The cop was actually a democrat operative. (b) The cop was a lesbian in disguise. (c) The shoe he inserted becomingly under the stall divider was a size 12 ladies pump with a 6inch heel. And (d) Larry Craig was enough of a gentleman not to point all this out.


GunnyG
Ya know I love ya right? Well I'm going to quit clicking on your links....YOUR KILLING ME! LOL!

Att.DrvBySoothy,Loo, Miky,Brian, KYLAWYR
Big mick ona street after a two month hiatus.

Don't know which is funnier--Ann, or the hilarious (if unintended) mal-attempted pseudo-intellectual down-the-nose ersatz disdain attempted by her "critics". Sorry, boys--haughty grandeur doesn't work well as a pose when your guts are hanging out around her thighs as garters.

By the way, if pleading guilty to disorderly conduct (whatever in the hell that is--is it feeling up a cop or trying to knock his block off--was Rodney King "disorderly"--the riots afterwards?) makes Craig "deviant", does being impeached, losing his law license, and lying down the throat of the American People while sticking his finger up our nose make Slick Willie INNOCENT because he never PLEAD guilty to "not having sex with that woman' and lying under oath?

(C’mon we KNOW Slick’s DEVIANT–talk about your crooked cranks-the old Serial Rapist)

Are we now agreed that Mike Vick is a "deviant" for torturing dogs to death because he plead guilty to whatever he plead guilty to?
Whoopi(ng) it up in the MashaMutt Saloon Goldberg would disagree. It's a "Chocolatehood" thing according to her. Or are we to conclude all of Chocolatehoodom is "deviant" if Vick is not deviant within Chocolatehooddom?

Is the Big Easy “deviant” or an example par excellence within the “norms” of Chocolatehooddom?

I love this "you ain't guilty if you beat the rap--you IS guilty if you cop a plea"--logic.
Spoken like true ATTORNEY's lads.

the big mick

Re Hsu thought it was an establish fact
The same people that want election reform are the ones violating it. What else is new. You pass a law/regulation that law abiding citizens will follow. You then proceed to violate it yourself to put them at a disadvantage. After all the media will never make it a big deal when the left does it. Agin it reenforses the philosophy of the left. We are superior the rules are for you ignoramouses on the right. The really scary part is just how much of a chinese connection is there. Our Russian educated ex president is sooo riendly with them thtt he gave away missle guidence capabilities to them. I am sure it was just to be a good neighbor and had no relationship to all the contibutions

Some of You
Some of you people just don't get it. This comment section is for people to comment on Ann's column--not a place for you to communicate about anything you want!

GunnyG
That large fine was well deserved!
Thanks, Bman1.

Is Ted Nugent going on the hunt with you?

AGZ
Sorry Amigo. Should have posted a spew alert. Bman1 fined me .35.

I'll have to bring another liberal to the next VRWC BBQ for the group hunt in order to redeem myself!

Monumental misdirection
It's always interesting to read the flurry of comments to Ann's columns. Aside from the disconnect on the left that accepts the host of Hardball saying that Craig's supposed behavior is deviant, while holding high the practice of Gay Pride parades and those bastions of moral turpitude:Barney Frank, Ted Kennedy and Bill Clinton....

Isn't it just amazing how playing the GAY card will dominate the news media if it can be linked to a Republican...all the while keeping the REAL news of interest (other than purient) off the airwaves.

Those who think this is just an attempt by Ann to add her two cents to the Craig brouhaha have missed her salient point about what constitutes REAL news. Anybody curious about the pipe bombs? Anybody wonder what happend to Hsu?

These are the issues that have a direct bearing on the citizens of the USA. But, like always, the people swallow the MSM drivel, do trial by TV, and lap up all the salacious gossip because it is easier than facing legitimate news stories that might make them uncomfortable.

Hypocricy, hysteria and mis-direction. All courtesy of the barking dogs of the media.

No apologies, no pulled punches!
That's what I love about Ann's articles. She just holds the mirror up to the moonbats and the truth of their ugliness and duplicity just drives them insane.

I love it! Keep it up Ann! I look forward every week for another moonbat slap session.

-Patrick.

if Frisco had as many cops as homos
I never suspected they were policemen. Back in the ‘50s, ‘60s and ‘70’s I spent a lot of time in airport restrooms, including 20 or 30 times in the one in Manyapples (or however you want to spell it.)

I must have made somewhere in the neighborhood of 6 to 700 business trips (in the early computer business), and was on an airplane 1500 times. I saw “those guys” in rest rooms all over the country (35 states if I remember right), in restrooms, not only in airports, but never suspected they were cops. If I had known that, I would have had them arrest themselves.

As a matter of fact, if Frisco had as many cops as homos, it might be a safer city.

If I had been accousted by that cop
I also would have been guilty of disorderly conduct! Until these articles I didnt know what the secret handshake was. I know in the past I have accidentilly bumped shoes with a neighbor in a mens room stall. Some time you take a wide stance to get your shirt back in your pants without them falling down completely (so I am old and uncoordinated so what). As to the hand below the partition have you ever dropped anything guess what you pick it up. I think good old Larry should resign but the reason is the stupid way he handled all of this. He'e backing off now because his lawyer told him how stupid he was (I guess). Another overlooked issue is how well the Dems have tramatized the Repub's. They are ready to throw anybody off the train at o moments notice. Yes I understand the "strategy" but this could have been resolved long befor ethe election. Saying they would have an ethics review was ok forcing him to resign prior to that was pure panic. BTW I dont believe they lost the 2006 elections because of Foley. I think they lost because the base was tired of their feeklessness (I know I was)

Baron
Isn't there a name for acrobatic sex?
Can't google it here at work, unfortunately.

GunnyG
Went to the site. Fortunately, it's still 2 hours before my lunch hour. You should have given a clearer warning!

ALL
Check out the breaking news of 11 Dhimmicrats in NJ getting popped by FBI.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070906/ap_on_re_us/corruption_arrests

Patrick
Thanks for the insult; I appreciate when my opponent makes his intellectual limitations clear at the start. I examined the 1990 study and found that your application of the data is not correct. Furthermore, in a 2005 study, Finkelhor reasserts that the majority of sexual abuse is hetero. If you data on the percentage of homosexual men in the general population is correct, it still doesn’t prove your conclusion. Besides repeat offenders, it does not differentiate between sexual motivation and aggression motivation. Also, if the two are the same, then the percentage of homosexuals is much higher. Furthermore, if we were to reject all of this, it still doesn’t prove your oft make quote that all homosexuals are pedophiles.

tunneler: Perhaps you are right. I’ve never been able to deductively reason, perform some simple analysis and arrive at a logical fact based conclusion that someone is a retard or libtard. And yes, I wouldn’t count on me figure anything out on his own either about how name calling enhances your argument or makes a point.

Bman1
Thanks for the support. We're still waiting on the word. She's d*mn good at her job and of course, someone has to do her work, uncomplainingly of course, but it affects the group and the mission.

If they catch the scumbag, I volunteer to fly back there on my own dime and put a .45 in his neck just for GP (general purposes).

Leo
Wow. Isn't there a prerequisite number of posts you have to wait for until you can bring out the "Rightwingers are Nazis!" post?

If I had been accousted by that cop
I also would have been guilty of disorderly conduct! Until these articles I didnt know what the secret handshake was. I know in the past I have accidentilly bumped shoes with a neighbor in a mens room stall. Some time you take a wide stance to get your shirt back in your pants without them falling down completely (so I am old and uncoordinated so what). As to the hand below the partition have you ever dropped anything guess what you pick it up. I think good old Larry should resign but the reason is the stupid way he handled all of this. He'e backing off now because his lawyer told him how stupid he was (I guess). Another overlooked issue is how well the Dems have tramatized the Repub's. They are ready to throw anybody off the train at o moments notice. Yes I understand the "strategy" but this could have been resolved long befor ethe election. Saying they would have an ethics review was ok forcing him to resign prior to that was pure panic. BTW I dont believe they lost the 2006 elections because of Foley. I think they lost because the base was tired of their feeklessness (I know I was)

Hey Mountain Rose........
Sorry for the long delay. I'm not questioning the purpose of the act. I'm questioning the near physical impossibility thereof.

Tapping the cop's left foot with Craig's right foot means the cop was to the right of Craig. Then Craig placed his left hand under the stall to the right of him????? Doesn't make much sense.

Hey Mountain Rose........
Sorry for the long delay. I'm not questioning the purpose of the act. I'm questioning the near physical impossibility thereof.

Tapping the cop's left foot with Craig's right foot means the cop was to the right of Craig. Then Craig placed his left hand under the stall to the right of him????? Doesn't make much sense.

As we
discuss gays, let's pause for a moment and review some "normal" behavior from the Left "gay" enablers.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,295909,00.html

And we WONDER why Hollyweird is so "dorked" up.

AGZ
I remember reading that Hoffa was ground up into hamburger and dumped in a 55gal drum, then had cement poured in. Then, he took a flight over the Everglades and was dumped out. If the drum broke open, the gator's had an easily digestible snack. If not, that baby went 20 feet into the mud and will be found 1000 years from by a conservative American archeologist. (All liberals will have been "purged" by then.)

The other possibility
Hsu may have been "executed" by the ChiComms. They did it to the guy responsible for the tainted pet food, so the 'thumbs down' for this chump would be a slam dunk.

GunnyG
Wait! As a former Teamster, I thought our leader became part of the foundation of some building in New Jersey!

Also, Wiseone ... I see why you're called wise one. Flawless post at 10:42.

inkling revival
So much for your past integrity. You seem bent on refuting your self today. It’s not a matter of moral equivalence. It’s a matter of actually equivalence. When one of the more volatile conservatives make a comment with which you agree, it’s ok. If I do likewise (though actually not as volatile), it is wrong. That is hypocrisy. Ann is no more accurate than I am. If not so, point out my inaccuracy. Ann is no more analytical than me. Show my flaws. True I am not opposed to homosexuality, but I have never agreed with anonymous sex in a bathroom be it hetero or homo. Craig is a hypocrite because he has publicly opposed the behavior he engaged in. Never the less, I am not sneering at Sen. Craig. I am sneering at Patrick. He’s the gentleman who just called me retard and claims all homosexuals are pedophiles. This provides another example. Take the feely used term “libtard”. It is rare that anyone complains about its use (other than me. It was Coulter who claimed that liberals resort to name calling when lacking a response. Hypocrisy.

Next, I said that conservatives claim the moral high ground. In essence, you have done that very thing in your paragraph comparing liberals. But let’s examine closer. I have made no slurs of any kind. I don’t use insults or call people names. Yet you just did. I have not jeered or caterwauled at anyone’s failures. Yet it seems fine to jeer at Kennedy. You say you don’t excuse the failures, but that is the point of Ann’s article. This entire effort is a whitewash based on the fact that others have done much worse. Otherwise, just what is the point in bringing up how Ted Kennedy murdered someone 40 years ago? The more you rationalize the more hypocritical you become; and that is the liberal tactic you are supposedly decrying.

hagar
Good point but as Mom always said, "a guilty conscience needs NO accuser."

He plead guilty because he was guilty and tried to hush it up. What's even dumber of him is that it automatically becomes public record EASILY found out in a 19.95 background check available online. (Thanks again Al Gore)

Bill's new book
Almost forgot....I laughed myself silly when I heard the title, "Giving." I doubt if TH would allow me to write what Bill is giving (or getting)--but we can be sure it happened in the Oval Office.

Democrat hypocrisy
I can't imagine how homosexuals can possibly ignore the fact that the same party that claims to be fighting for their "rights" will turn right around and crucify a Republican for homosexual behavior. You'd think they'd eventually figure it out--except on the Left, adherence to the Left trumps reason, common sense, and even self-interest. Amazing.

Additionally, I agree with those who say Hitlary had Hsu whacked--and that this whole brouhaha over Craig was designed to deflect attention from yet another Clinton scandal. It's classic Clinton tactics.

Who is it that writes, "Hitlary delenda est?"


Craig pled guity to "Disorderly conduct"
Which is a curious offense, given the First Amendment.

Arlen Specter was played on tape yesterday saying that in his experience as a prosecutor the evidence against Craig would not have produced a guilty verdict at trial.

Others have concurred with your opinion that the reason the 'state' was so willing to cut a deal was because they felt they had a shaky case.

Anne
"If you've just returned from your Labor Day vacation and are scanning the headlines from last week's newspapers -- don't panic! "

Those of us who HAVE real jobs don't get a Labor Day "vacation".

Libs using Craig to climb to high ground

hagar
I believe Craig plead guilty to "disorderly conduct".

So what is the charge he plead to???????
Arguing with a cop? Touching a shoe? Letting you hand be seen below a partition? Regardless of the implication its the charge he plead to that should be the issue. If they let him plea bargin its because they probably didnt have enough evidence to charge otherwise. So just what did he plead to anyone know??

SSGTRET
Hsu would have to be out of US extradition areas to make sure Hitlary is safe. Possibly Hong Kong but Hitlary would NEVER take a chance that would cost her the opportunity to destroy the USA.

Hitlary to Bubba: "You want back in the White House to play with fat interns, then do me a favor. Dead men tell no tales. We tracking?"

Bubba to Hitlary: "Sho nuff."

THANK YOU PDM
THANK YOU PDM: Whatever one might call the society that makes up the United States it is as a society one gifted with the finest means to express communal desires ever created on this earth. Where challenged are places and governments equally impressive; ergo, the UK, Australia, India, Japan, and the emerging democratic Europe. Their generations will solve their problems through discourse, dialogue and government derived by the people and the quick passions of the present will all wither away into sand replaced by new flowers and weeds needing to be pruned or cut out of existence.

THANK YOU PDM
THANK YOU PDM: Whatever one might call the society that makes up the United States it is as a society one gifted with the finest means to express communal desires ever created on this earth. Where challenged are places and governments equally impressive; ergo, the UK, Australia, India, Japan, and the emerging democratic Europe. Their generations will solve their problems through discourse, dialogue and government derived by the people and the quick passions of the present will all wither away into sand replaced by new flowers and weeds needing to be pruned or cut out of existence.

Bman1
Good point. With the way the Unions have their lips firmly planted on the azzes of Dhimmicrats, especially Hitlary and LEFTwards, I'm sure it was easy to dispatch a few thugs to make Hsu "go away."

tunneler
You got it.

I'd also bet that Hitlary's favorite scene in Casino is when Pesci and his brother find a home in a cornfield!

I wonder if Vince haunts Hitlary's dreams and says things like: "Why Hillary, why?"


I love you guys!
The gay-bashing comments here are hilarious... are you guys dinosaurs or just closet-cases like your elected representatives?

The fact that its all in response to a coulter story is just gravy.

You are so out-of-touch you'll never get back the white house for many, many years!

Patrick--
Go ahead and tell us what you would like to have done to all homosexuals in the U.S.

I'm curious to see who agrees with you.

It's possible, GunnyG,...
It's possible.

Time will tell. Shall we put a gentleman's bet on it? $1.00 to the winner when we hook up at the first GOE event that we attend.

Bman1
He's a rich friend of the Clinton's and had a fancy shyster who told the judge,

"Oh yes my preciousssss, Mr Hsu will ssssssstay in the country of the preciousssssss."

tunneler
Oh he disappeared all right.

He joined Jimmy Hoffa in the Florida Everglades.

NO WAY that Hitlary would risk the big prize if Hsu suddenly turned up alive and ready to testify.

He's either gator or shark crap.

Patrick...
You're asking Mike R to deductively reason, perform some simple analysis and arrive at a logical fact based conclusion.

Are you sure you want to go down this path? I think that we'll still be waiting for an answer from him months from now.

I had a similar situation with another intellectual giant of the libtard persuasion (g_gaisford). After explaining to him, in painful detail, the concept that the true WMD (Iraq and the war on Islamofascism) wasn't the end product but the technology. Even after all that, he still didn't understand the premise.

Don't count on Mike R to figure anything out on his own either...chuckling

Breaking news....
11 local politicians, (democraps) in New Jersey were arrested on multiple counts of federal corruption charges.

The sting that snared them? Operation broken board. Seems that these upstanding defenders of the "widdle chihdwen" were ripping off school districts across New Jersey by, I suspect, diverting school funds to certain contractors, unions, etc, and taking kickbacks for it all.

Let's hear it soothpoopie, drive by posting, Anthony Thomas, Robert-Roberto-Rocky Jones, Voice of Reason, etc. Let's hear you libtards defend this. After all, aren't the "widdle chihdwen" your overriding concern?

Once again the left succeeds...
... in changing the focus of the debate.

The "issue" should not be "family values".

The "issue" also should not be "hypocrisy".

"Family values" was a talking point of the right 10 or 15 years ago. Today it is primarily used as a set-up by the left for their defense of their immorality; a defense comprised almost entirely of calling all conservatives "hypocrites" everytime one one us comes up short of perfection.

Larry Craig has exhibited more "family values" in his little finger than those who call him "hypocrite" have in their entire lives.

The "issue" should be gay marriage, which is an attempt by gays to force society to legally recognize gay unions as "marriage" for reasons that have nothing to do with why marriage was created in the first place.

Larry Craig is married. He even adopted his wife's three kids from her previous marriage.

Larry Craig is a better man than I am.

He has been a good husband and a good father. If he is truly "gay" it is hard for me to believe his wife wouldn't know it. And it's hard for me to believe his alleged attempt to 'cheat' on her is anyone else's business.

Whether his guilty plea for disorderly conduct disqualifies him to keep his office is between him and the voters of Idaho.

The real hypocrites here are those on the left who insisted that Clinton's sex with an intern was a private matter, but that Craig's indiscretion is high scandal.

Remember, Clinton was impeached for perjury, not adultery. And Clinton's underlying offense was sexual harassment of a subordinate employee, not solicitation.

MikeR the retard
MikeR rants:

"No, it is not possible even remotely that homosexuals are more prone to child abuse than heterosexuals. I have seen absolutely no evidence to convince me otherwise."

---

The evidence that homosexuals molest children in far greater numbers than heterosexuals is overwhelming. See Finkelhor's 1990 national study to which I have several times posted the reference - and which none of the NAMBLA types here has tried to refute.

16% of the male population and 27% of the female population sexually assaulted as youths. As 97% of all sexual assaults of all types are male assaults, that translates to 37.2% of the identified child molest victims being homosexually assaulted.

Other studies indicate that homosexuals constitute only 0.8% - 1.0% of the population. And at least 37.2% of all sexual assaults are homosexual assaults. The figure for homosexual assaults may be even higher than the Finkelhor study shows as there is even greater reluctance to inform among male victims of sexual predators than among female victims.

Now do the rest of the math yourself.