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Wednesday, July 18, 2007
Ann Coulter :: Townhall.com Columnist
The 'Bumper Sticker' That Blows Up
by Ann Coulter
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For six years, the Bush administration has kept America safe from another terrorist attack, allowing the Democrats to claim that the war on terrorism is a fraud, a "bumper sticker," a sneaky ploy by a power-mad president to create an apocryphal enemy so he could spy on innocent librarians in Wisconsin. And that's the view of the moderate Democrats. The rest of them think Bush was behind the 9/11 attacks.

But now with the U.S. government -- as well as the British and German governments -- warning of major terrorist attacks this summer, the Treason Lobby is facing the possibility that the "bumper sticker" could blow up in their faces.

The Democrats' entire national security calculus is based on the premise that "we have no important enemies," as stated by former senator Mike Gravel. He's one of the Democratic presidential candidates who doesn't know he's supposed to lie when speaking to the American people.

Ironically, the Democrats' ability to sneer at President Bush hinges on Bush's successful prosecution of the war on terrorism, despite the Democrats. It's going to be harder to persuade Americans that the "war on terrorism" is George Bush's imaginary enemy -- the Reichstag fire, to quote our first openly Muslim congressman Keith Ellison -- if there is another terrorist attack.

So naturally, they are blaming any future terrorist attacks on the war in Iraq.

The Democrats blame everything on Iraq, but their insane argument that we are merely annoying the enemy by fighting back has been neurotically repeated since the failed terrorist bombing in London a few weeks ago. The venue of the terrorists' latest attempt, a hot London nightclub, might even shake up the young progressive crowd. Apparently their soirees are not off-limits, notwithstanding their dutiful anti-imperialism.

In anticipation of their surrender strategy becoming substantially less popular in the wake of another terrorist attack, the Democrats are all claiming that the threat of terrorism was nonexistent -- notwithstanding 9/11, the Cole bombing, the bombing of our embassies, the bombing of the World Trade Center, the Achille Lauro, etc. etc. -- until George Bush invaded Iraq.

In the past week, B. Hussein Obama said the war in Iraq has made us more vulnerable to terrorist attacks. Americans are "more at risk," he said, "and less safe than we should have been at this point." We would be safer with "better polices" -- such as, presumably, Bill Clinton's policy of pretending Islamic terrorists don't exist and leaving the problem for the next president.

Hillary Clinton said we need to start "reversing our priorities. Let's stop sending troops to Iraq and let's start insuring every single child." Yes, that should put a good healthy scare into the insurgents. "Run for your life, Ahmed! All American children are getting regular checkups!"

Sen. Chris Dodd miraculously straddled both arguments -- that the threat of terrorism is a fraud and that the Iraq war had increased its danger. He said "al-Qaida is insurgent again" because we've "turned Iraq into an incubator" for jihadists. But simultaneously with warning of a terrorist attack, Dodd also said he was "more skeptical than I'd like to be" of the Bush administration's warning of a terrorist attack. Damn that Bush! He's inflamed an imaginary enemy!

As with the Democrats' claim that the greatest military in the world is "losing" a war with camel-riding nomads, the claim that the war in Iraq is what created our terrorist problem -- a terrorist problem that began about 30 years ago -- has entered the media and is now stated as fact by the entire Treason Lobby.

CNN correspondent Suzanne Malveaux matter-of-factly reported this week: "President Bush says the central front in the war on terror is Iraq. But when the U.S. first invaded the country almost five years ago, al-Qaida had very little presence. But the intelligence report says that has changed. Al-Qaida not only has become a dangerous threat, the intelligence community expects the terrorist group will use its contacts and capabilities there to mount an attack on U.S. soil."

Say, wasn't the attack of 9/11 an "attack on U.S. soil"? How could that have happened since we hadn't invaded Iraq yet? What a weird aberration. How about the attacks on our embassies in Kenya and Tanzania? How about the 1993 World Trade Center bombing? The taking of our embassy in Tehran?

Another CNN correspondent, Ed Henry, followed up Malveaux's report with the somber news that "the president was warned before the war in Iraq that if you go in and invade Iraq, you're going to give al-Qaida more opportunities to expand its influence."

Similarly, Hitler and Goebbels never had much to say about the United States -- not, that is, until we started fighting them!

But as soon as we entered the war -- taking the bait of Hitler's declaration of war against us, which Democrats are urging us to avoid falling for in the case of al-Qaida -- Hitler began portraying FDR as a pawn of the Jews. Soon posters started appearing in Germany showing the United States as a country run by Jews and Negroes. Fake dollar bills with the Star of David were air-dropped over Paris.

According to the Democrats' logic, FDR's policies made the United States less safe. Had Germany attacked us at Pearl Harbor? No. Was Hitler able to use America entering the war as a recruiting tool? Yes. Fighting the enemy always seems to make them mad. It's as plain as the nose on your face.

Democrats think they have concocted a brilliant argument by saying that jihadists have been able to recruit based on the war in Iraq. Yes, I assume so. Everything the United States has done since 9/11 has galvanized the evil people of the world to fight the U.S. In World War II, some Frenchmen joined the Waffen SS, too. And the good people of the world have been galvanized to fight on the side of the U.S. The question is: Which side are the Democrats on?

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Terrorism is bigger than Iraq
Sorry, Ann, but if the US is attacked in the next 18 months, it won't just be "liberals" that think Bush's War on Iraq was part of the problem. I'm reading everyday about how the Pakistan/Afghani border is becoming a hotter Al Qaeda training center with each passing day. Why are all of our boys playing target for suburban Baghdad insurgents when there's real terrorist training going on just around the corner?

How could Democrats calling for a redeployment now possibly be blamed if we're attacked? Why is Bush acting like Al Qaeda only exists in Iraq?

Which side are the Democrats on?
Their own, of course.

This woman speaks for you
And you wonder why you got a thumpin' in the 2006 elections?

soothsayer 5:14pm
In the South, the Republicans "got a thumpin' in the 2006 elections" because they forgot their base was conservative.

Big spending and more government from so-called conservatives alienated the base.

I am pretty sure this is what happened in the Midwest, although I am not positive.

I travel the states of Mississippi, Arkansas, North Louisiana, Tennessee, and Alabama all the time as a consultant. I would estimate the support of the Iraqi War, in those states, at 55% to 58%.

Won't TurnLeft
I don't think I will (turn left), however the problem is that the Paki's and Saudi's are not our friends and really never have been, they too are part of the problem. Yes the Paki/Afghani border will blow up... we can't kill them in Pakiland can we (or Saudiland either).... yet.

I'd rather kill terrorists on the other side of the ponds than here... we have enough in the Congress and they're not all Jackasses.

Silly Arguments
Ann, your argument that the lack of a domestic attack for the past six years evidences the success of President Bush's ant-terror policy proves too much. According to your tortured logic, President Clinton's policies were even more successful: it was more than eight-and-a-half years between the first World Trade Center bombing and 9/11.

Worse still, where have you been over the past two days--under a rock? The NIE sections selectively declassified by the Bush Administration report that al Qaida is stronger now than on 9/11 while forecasting that a catastrophic attack on U.S. soil could be imminent. This demonstrates quite obviously that the Bush war in Iraq--if intended, as you say, to fight the terrorists responsible for 9/11--has been a colossal failure: 3600 Americans dead, tens of thousands more grievously wounded, tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians killed, hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians displaced, over $400 billion spent and still an attack is imminent by a stronger-than-ever al Qaida.

Finally, your geography is no better than President Bush's. The 9/11 attack was launched by terrorists based in Afghanistan. That's where we should have finished them off--not in Iraq. As a result of this colossal blunder, al Qaida is now flourishing in both places. And none of your snide comments change these disturbing facts.

The moonbats are out

Amazingly, or perhaps not so amazingly, the moonbat brigade is at the ready. Or not so ready.

What is it about Ann Coulter that causes them to hang around, waiting for her to post her column--just to disagree?

Thank you, moonbats, for making the Ann Coulter weekly column experience so entertaining.

It is sad, however, that the trees are making it difficult for you all to see the forest.

Turn Left: turn around.

Soothsayer: forsooth, you seem to be out of sooth.

Blah blah blah blah blah
Round and round we go . . . where we stop? . . . Nobody knows . . .

The dems learned nothing from the pull-out in Vietnam. To them, it was their finest hour. Nevermind that millions of people were slaughtered after we left.

The libs yearn for their youthful protest days when they thought they really made a difference. The problem is that different doesn't equal better.

They worship dictatorial despots like Mao, Stalin, and Castro, but loath their own as they loathe themselves. They are pathetic. The problem is that we have let them infiltrate our institutions like the vermin.

Only when we have the sack the root them out will we be able to reverse the crippling of this great country. The longer we simply lie back and take their crap, the worse it's going to get.

But, don't get me wrong, not all of these scum reside in the democrat party. Who is leaving our border wide open? Who have been spending like drunken sailors? Our political class is nothing but gutter trash, with a few exceptions.

It's about time that we exercised our right to institute term limits with the tool already at our disposal: the ballot box.

Is it just me Ann...

Do the Democrats vote for themselves... And republicans vote for their children?

Demoquacks think... "Spending the kid's inheritance" is a great bumper sticker.


First openly Muslim.
"to quote our first openly Muslim congressman Keith Ellison".

Brilliant !!!!!!!!

TurnLeft
writes, "Terrorism is bigger than Iraq"

Gee, ya think. The American presence in Iraq is the main battle, the primary front in the conflict between them and us. Not our words. Theirs. They are training in Pakistan to fight in Iraq. They are training all over the place to fight us anywhere they can but, Iraq is within driving distance.

Democrats would not be at fault of another terrorist attack. That would be the terrorists at fault. The democrats, however, will be guilty of many many things, the most important one of which is giving comfort to the enemy. When the battle quickens or becomes too close for comfort, how will the democrats current whining win over the confidence of the population as to their ability to deal with it.

Yearning for power
The Democrats are yearning for power, yes - the trouble is they already have it, and they are impressing nobody with their exercise of it.

Scaife Newspaper Calls For Withdrawl
Scaife Newspaper Calls for Troop Withdrawal, Questions Bush’s ‘Mental Stability’


Richard Scaife is the foundation the Republican base rests on. “Scaife has been a loyal backer of Republican politicians and many conservative causes, and funded a network of investigations into President Clinton during the 1990s.“ But now he’s come down with a bad case of Bush Derangement Syndrome. He wants out of Iraq, suspects Bush is crazy, and agrees with Rep Murtha. Ouch.

Tribune-Review (h/t C&L): The Pittsburgh newspaper owned by conservative billionaire Richard Mellon Scaife yesterday called the Bush administration’s plans to stay the course in Iraq a “prescription for American suicide.”

The editorial … added, “And quite frankly, during last Thursday’s news conference, when George Bush started blathering about ’sometimes the decisions you make and the consequences don’t enable you to be loved,’ we had to question his mental stability.”

It continued: “President Bush warns that U.S. withdrawal would risk ‘mass killings on a horrific scale.’ What do we have today, sir?

“If the president won’t do the right thing and end this war, the people must. The House has voted to withdraw combat troops from Iraq by April. The Senate must follow suit.

“Our brave troops should take great pride that they rid Iraq of Saddam Hussein. And they should have no shame in leaving Iraq. For it will not be, in any way, an exercise in tail-tucking and running.

“America has done its job.

“It’s time for the Iraqis to do theirs.”

The editorial said it agrees with its local congressman on this: Democratic U.S. Rep. John Murtha.

READ MORE

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/scaife-owned-newspaper-calls-for-iraq-troop-withdrawal-and-questions-bushs-mental-stability


Paulie
Don't get me wrong - I LOVE annie coulter!

In fact I think she's the best thing since . . . well, this week its David Vitter, but I'm sure there'll be a new GOPer caught with his pants down in another day or two.

PeterE...Right On

New Congress... lower ratings.. no kidding!

Ann has correctly...
...identified the next DNC talking point, as evidenced by the fact that it appeared at least twice in the first 7 posts on this message board: "All Bush did was fight the war in Iraq."

Of course, this is nonsense, as anybody who's actually been following the War on Terror knows. We've frozen hundreds of millions of dollars in assets directed toward terror organizations, and coordinated attacks and police efforts with nations around the world against known terror suspects, with the result that in the first 4 years of the 21st century, a huge percentage of al Qaeda's operatives were either dead or in jail.

But they've apparently recovered. I read the headlines in a leftist rag this morning (The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, absolutely one of the worst leftist propaganda sheets in the nation), with the headline "Bush fails against Al Qaeda;" the actual story, as I read it, was that Pakistan had promised to take action on its own territory but failed to follow up. Oh, and when we turned over the Afghan theater to NATO, they botched it completely (wasn't that Kerry's planned strategy? Good thing he's not President...)

Yes, there are holes in the war; some of our allies appear to be falling short. Wars take time, and there's ebb and flow in the progress of the war over time that requires virtue to endure.

It's no surprise that Democrats lack this, or any other, virtue. To a Democrat, virtue is not a matter of personal practice or character, but of political choices -- one is virtuous if one votes Democrat, and evil if one votes Republican. I sincerely wish the acquisition of virtue were that simple, but it explains the fact that Democrats routinely think they're moral saints, but when you have to deal with them personally, you discover they're mostly moral slobs.

Vaccinations against terror
When I was a kid, my parents kept taking me in for all these painful innoculations against diseases I didn't even have. What's more, these injections actually CONTAINED deadly viruses, and had been known to cause allergic reactions in some children.

That is the level of reasoning the left is using in regard to the war on terror.

John Konop
Simply saying we are not tucking tail and running is fine but, what will our enemies think? The kid who takes his football and goes home because 'they' won't let him play quarterback is not tucking tail and running. He is leaving on principle but, what do the other kids think?

soothsayer, 6:12 PM
Nice shot, there, cowboy. Way to keep the national debate civil. It only took you 9 posts into the message board to launch a completely unprovoked ad hom based on an irrelevancy.

I do love how the Democrats demonstrate their superior moral virtue and grasp of the facts...

iraq vs. america
Let's see, the murderous fanatical islamo-fascist savages choose a rallying point (or points) for training and suicide bomb practice; they conglomerate at these places, and commence their attacks from there. Are the libs/democrats/surrender monkeys/ appeasers saying that it's a BAD thing that their place of choice is in Iraq, rather than say, Long Island ? I would suggest that having the main battleground over THERE rather than HERE would be a good thing. Plus, if we do end up having to"bomb them back to the stone age " at least in most of the middle east it's not that far a trip.Greater Islam-istan makes an easy target, and other than oil, what beneficial things have ever emerged from pakistan, afghanistan, iran, iraq, syria, etc ? Eventually use of the neutron bomb will become a viable alternative, I just hope we kept the recipe.That way, once the radiation dispersed, we could extract the oil for ourselves.

To the left-wing reader
OK, I just realized my post may be confusing to some of you (liberally educated) people, so I will explain.

The innoculations represent the war in Iraq; disease represents the terrorists; the side effects represent some of the costs and risks involved in war, which is all the left seems to notice.

John Konop outdoes himself
Konop is always wrong, but today he's produced a true howler.

"Richard Scaife is the foundation the Republican base rests on."

Oh my freakin' GOD, that's funny!!!!!

Richard Scaife owns a small newspaper in Greensburg, PA. It's now got readership in "metropolitan" Pittsburgh, and it's called the Pittsburgh Tribune. It has a Sunday circulation of 185,000, which is not bad for a small city like Pittsburgh.

This is the foundation on whicht Republican base rests???

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!

Konop, it's pretty obvious when you're making things up to make your arguments sound better than they are, but this one really jumps the shark. Please stop trying so hard.

Good job Ann!!!
Keep telling it like it is. When you are attacked by the treasonous vermin who don't like what you say it just proves you are on the right track. By the way, I have a riddle for you: Whats the difference between progressives, liberals, socialists, and communists? (hint: its the same as the difference between a skunk and a polecat)

Ahhhh, Truthteller....
Wrong, wrong, wrong. Where do I start...

"The NIE sections selectively declassified by the Bush Administration report that al Qaida is stronger now than on 9/11 while forecasting that a catastrophic attack on U.S. soil could be imminent."

Another attack on US soil has been predicted as "could be imminent" since the days immediately postdating 9/11. Everyone who actually reads knew this then and knows this now. What rock or cave have you been living under or in?

Did anyone think that Al Qaeda would just dry up and blow away? These are people who are driven to succeed in their mission, to revert the world to a 7th century theocratic dictatorship that is guided by the most twisted and perverted drug induced meanings of Islam that have been thought of.

"Finally, your geography is no better than President Bush's. The 9/11 attack was launched by terrorists based in Afghanistan. That's where we should have finished them off--not in Iraq. As a result of this colossal blunder, al Qaida is now flourishing in both places. And none of your snide comments change these disturbing facts."

No, it's you who needs the lesson in geography. Once again, you've clearly demonstrated your decision to not read genuine information, rather you fill your pea brain with the incoherent ramblings of the certifiable who live on websites such as the dailyKos....

Al Qaeda does not have a presence, to speak of, in Afghanistan. They moved to Pakistan shortly after we invaded Afghanistan and they have happily set up shop in Waziristan (the Pakistani wilderness) where they have been largely left alone by Musharraf. We don't have permission from the Pakistani government to enter Waziristan (not even in "hot pursuit"), so we can only deal with Al Qaeda and the Taliban if/when they cross the border.

As to flourishing in Iraq, tell me why Anbar Province, a location that 6 months ago was considered "hopelessly lost to Al Qaeda" (according Land Swindle Reid, and the other military geniouses in the Democrap Party) is now under control of coalition forces, Al Qaeda is a non entity, and the Sunni Tribal Cheiftans and their bands, have all joined the coalition and Iraqi forces to stabilize the region.

If things are going so well for Al Qaeda, why did Al Zawahiri send a panicked message to the Sunni's in Anbar and elsewhere to not give up the fight, and at the same time threatening them because of what he perceived to be their treasonous acts (at least to his warped views on Islam) against the holy cause? Al Qaeda treats Iraq as their central front. Win and the world is their oyster, lose and they will have lost face to such a degree that they will be marginalized and ignored by the muslim population at large. They understand the stakes for their so called cause; why is that people like you don't take them at their word? And why is it that people like you think that we can go back to life pre 9/11; where your leadership (I didn't vote for any of those traitors) thought of Islamofascism as something to be dealt with in the same manner as a parking ticket.

All of these are things that Ann obviously understands and you clearly don't.

And one other thing Truthteller...
Since Islamofascism is a global phenomenon, it isn't something that could be dealt with in Afghanistan only. If you want some genuine information about the extent of this war, and it is indeed global, try reading a book or two.

The first one I would recommend is "Shadow War" by Richard Miniter.

TT-Silly Arugments
You really need to refrain from calling Ann's argument's silly and then resort to creating your own "facts" to make your argument. NIE makes no such statement that Al Queda is stronger now than before 9/11:
http://www.dni.gov/press_releases/Declassified_NIE_Key_Judgments.pdf

Al Queda has been marganalized. My God, man, they communicate through video tapes released once every few months. Al Queda reality: What made them dangerous before 9/11? Clinton's 8 years of inaction. Who marganalized them? Bush's action.

What will, and is making them stronger? Those in this country and in Europse who think 100 million religious zealots do not pose a threat.

ann coulter vs libs
typical of libs they attack coulter because they lack anyone comparable. She is clever and funny. The libs who always take themselves seriously can't see they are always the but of the joke. These same libs who always portray themselves as compassionate yet have feelings closer to orgasms when a repub gets caught doing something wrong. These are the same libs who refused to understand that clinton getting others to lie to defend him is a crime. To the libs clinton was brought down because of sexual improprieties, not surborning(sp) perjury. Ann continually proves that when engaging libs in a knife fight you bring a gun. Unfortunately for libs but then typical of the breed they come to her fights weaponless. Her lib detractors are similiarly shooting blanks

Ann Haters
The posters who come on here and attack Ann fall in three categories:

1. Those who hate the U.S, and will attack anyone who supports the U.S. be they Democrat or Republican. These are the types who show up at the G-8 conferences throwing rocks and wearing Che shirts.

2. Those who are hard core Democrats who hate Bush and the Republican Party to the point that they will attack any policy the President has, even if it results in harm to U.S. interests and people. These are the types who give speeches on the House and Senate floor.

3. Those who hate everyone, particularly females. These are the types who wind up on Fox News during their Murder of the Week segments.

They all have one thing in common; they have absolutely no common sense or logic what so ever.

Wrong Link

Glad I read...
...the key findings of the NIE declassified this week.

The headline from my hometown newspaper (The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette) said "Bush Fails Against Al Qaeda" or words to that effect.

Here's are a few things the NIE actually said:

"United States-led counterterrorism efforts have seriously damaged the leadership of
al-Qa’ida and disrupted its operations; however, we judge that al-Qa’ida will continue to
pose the greatest threat to the Homeland and US interests abroad by a single terrorist
organization."

Doesn't sound like a failure to me...

"We assess that the Iraq jihad is shaping a new generation of terrorist leaders and
operatives; perceived jihadist success there would inspire more fighters to continue the
struggle elsewhere."

"Should jihadists leaving Iraq perceive themselves, and be perceived, to have failed, we judge fewer fighters will be inspired to carry
on the fight."

Now do you see why continuing in Iraq is important? Are we REALLY interested in making sure Iraq doesn't become a successful recruiting ground for terrorists?

"If democratic reform efforts in Muslim majority nations progress over the next five years,
political participation probably would drive a wedge between intransigent extremists and
groups willing to use the political process to achieve their local objectives."

Seems like the Iraq strategy wasn't such a bad idea after all...

Now, I've cherry-picked the stuff that's positive toward the Bush administration's strategy. There's some negative in there as well, of course. This should illustrate what the press would be writing about if, as hilariously claimed by the Left, the press were captive to the Bush administration.

Oh, crud...
...forgot the link to the NIE... and it was the one from 2006.

http://www.dni.gov/press_releases/Declassified_NIE_Key_Judgments.pdf

inkling_revival "John Konop outdoes

himself."

I think he just got a new tin foil hat that's all charged up! :-)


Whether or not the future terrorist
attacks are blamed on the fighting in Iraq depends on which wing of the Demoncrat party you ask. If you ask the anti-US war crowd it will be the Bush's fault. Note that this is the same thing they said when they attacked the WTC before we were in Iraq. If you ask the enviro-whacko wing of the party they will say the attack was due to Global Warming and is also Bush's fault. To them everything is caused by global warming.

You're right
To all the Democrats that say that we are not focusing on Al-Qaeda or Bin Laden because we're not in Pakistan: are you honestly saying we should go into Pakistan even though their President has told us not to? Hmmmm...sounds like an inconsistency to me, given that to the Democrats our problem is arrogance and not respecting other foreign countries enough. But given their conflicting positions on Iraq (it's a civil war so we have no business being there) and Darfur (it's a civil war and we must stop the genocide), "Democrat inconsistency" is redundant.

Allen
The paperback version hasn't even been released yet, you idiot.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend
The Democrats believe this. And George W. Bush is their #1 enemy. They have said so and not denied it.

So al Qaeda, GWB's enemy, is their friend.

It is the ony logical line of thought the left has had since Kennedy cut taxes and said "A rising tide lifts all boats."

JC
previous posts have displayed your idiocy. I guess you have returned so that new readers can also see your pathetic attempts at attack. For those familiar with your postings you have returned to re-inforce your stupidity

allen
you sound like a person with great accomplishments. Give us a thumb nail sketch of your background and accomplishments so that we can be as impressed with you as your are impressed with yourself

inkling
You don't get it.

That headline was written in March of 2003. The Gazette has been waiting for a chance to use it. They don't want to waste it because that would contribute to global warming.

After the next attack
We'll see what the Dems say, because most counter-terrorism analysts believe it's only a matter of time for another, much worse attack.

They can't have it both ways: Al-qaeda is an omnipresent, asymmetrical foe that is in at least 65 countries, including the U.S. Trying to get them in Waziristan is neither politically nor tactically viable.

Our best hope is to continue degrading them in Iraq and stand up the Iraqi military. That demonstrates not only military might but political strength at home--something the left ought to seriously consider for a change.

Hugh Hewitt just interviewed Gen. Petraeus and he is cautiously optimistic we can bring stability to Iraq---or are the Dems so invested in defeat they can't stomach that prospect?

For more commentary, go to:

clearcommentary.townhall.com


Ann Coulter
is a master, as are all Conservatives, at shooting full of holes an argument that no one has made. In the last paragraph of this article is a true statment made by Democrats, Independent and Republicans--that the war in Iraq has created more terrorists.

BUSH IS STUPID ?

Maybe some folks are Jealous? Maybe liberals live in their own minds, and think they are brilliant?

I never knew I was an alcoholic... until someone told me.

jesus c.
Ann is not factually incorrect in her analogy. Her facts are correct. And while the analogy itself is not pure, the facts are close enough to validate it.

Your personal attacks on her for her appearance, on the other hand, bear no semblance to validity. As one who has seen her from fairly close up I can tell you she is a very attractive woman.

Moreover, we on the right find it all too predictably hypocritical that the same left that claims to promote feminism and seeks to minimize the effect of a woman's physical appearance, that wants to make Hillary Cinton, a surly, dour, turn-off, the first woman Prez, never misses an opportunity to attack Coulter's physical appearance despite the fact that she is easily more attractive than any political female the left can offer.

You downgrade yourself far more than Coulter by the way you talk about her. Keep it up. You deserve it.


jesus c / ann coulter's genitalia
Mr. jesus c. : Kindly enlighten us all as to how the shape or size of Ms. coulter's adams apple or genitalia have any significant bearing on her arguments, wits, or relevancy. The typical sign a liberal is losing an argument is their resorting to ad hominem attacks on their opponents, repeating the same lies over and over, and changing the subject. As for mrs. e. edward's chris-mathews- orchestrated and later admittedly pre-meditated "ambush " of ann coulter on the t.v. show, she (mrs. edwards) showed all the class and honesty we've come to expect from democrats/liberals, i.e., none! You guys may someday realize the "attack the messager when you can't counter the message" methods have failed and will continue to. Regarding Ms. Coulter's alleged genitalia, I DO know she obviously has the "cojones" both you and john edwards regrettably appear to lack.

To MassachusettsLiberal
"Everyone in the world (excepts the Cons) knows" is a famous quote. Usually when someone says it, most particularly a liberal, it means "this is what I think and it's totally unsupported by any facts".

In actuality both the Saudis and the Pakis have been going after Al Qaeda. The Saudis because they were Osama's enemy before we were. The Pakis because Cheney told them that we would bomb them to the stone age if they didn't give us support.

As for Iraq, the original mission was accomplished long ago. What we are doing now is "nation building" which always takes a while. Especially when the nation was not a nation to begin with and which is in a region which is still stuck in 6th century feudalism and theocracy. What we should have done is went in Iran as soon as Iraq was down. After that we could have left the region without worrying what the Iranians would do when we pulled out.

Personal attacks on Ms. Coulter
I almost never agree with her but I join in wishing people would lay off the nasty attacks on her appearance and gender. It isn't funny and just points out that you can't debate her so you attack her--too sixth grade for me.

Coulter
Always nice to see the Coulter crowd at it. I never could understand why Coulter pursued such a stunningly anti-conservative line on Iraq. The only explanation is blind partisanship.

Of course, instability helps Al Qaeda, whereas stability helps us. And Iraq cannot be stable until the power struggle between the sectarian groups is fought to a conclusion. Our presence prolongs that struggle and prolongs instability. Leaving these groups to sort things out hardly constitutes a “defeat” -- although it will certainly not be pretty to watch and will not result in constitutional democracy. Nor will it bring instant stability (in fact instability will increase for a time after we leave), but it is the only chance for stability.

NONE of the groups engaged in the power struggle support Al Qaeda -- something I have yet to see Coulter come to terms with.

If you don’t like what is going to happen there, you should not have been for the invasion in the first place.

In case anybody wants the latest...
The NIE that the Post-Gazette reported as claiming "BUSH FAILS AGAINST AL QAIDA", says the following:

"We assess that greatly increased worldwide counterterrorism efforts over the past five years
have constrained the ability of al-Qa’ida to attack the US Homeland again and have led terrorist groups to perceive the Homeland as a harder target to strike than on 9/11. These measures have helped disrupt known plots against the United States since 9/11.

"• We are concerned, however, that this level of international cooperation may wane as 9/11 becomes a more distant memory and perceptions of the threat diverge."

http://www.dni.gov/press_releases/20070717_release.pdf

Wow. Bush really did fail. Not.

Seems to me that the NIE says "The Left's attempt to paint the terrorist threat as a 'bumper sticker' will weaken our efforts against al Qaeda worldwide." Does anybody else see that this follows from what I posted?

to the libs
What you people don't seem to understand is the terrorist would have gone anywhere our soldiers were. Had we stayed in Afghanistan they would have flocked to there and we'd be in the same kind of mess we're in now only our boys would be fighting at 12,000 ft in a land that has never been control by any nation since the beginning of time. Alexander the great, the British Empire and the U.S.S.R. could win there, what makes you think we could? This argument that we create terrorist by going to Iraq is nutty, as the lady said there were terrorist before we went to Afghanistan/Iraq and there will be terrorist after we leave. y'all can't wrap your heads around that fact because the sky in your world is a different color then it is in the real world. Here it blue, what color is in the liberal dream world?

Truthteller,
Start living up to your moniker. Your argument that if we had just stuck to Afghanistan, that would have fixed the terrorism problem. As if all terrorists reside and train there only. A five year old has more sense than that.

FrankC, 8:00 PM
FrankC wrote: "And Iraq cannot be stable until the power struggle between the sectarian groups is fought to a conclusion. Our presence prolongs that struggle and prolongs instability."

The sectarian strife is the result of DELIBERATE ACTION BY AL QAEDA. Their internal communications indicated that they were going to take this direction when it became clear to them that they could not defeat the US military head-on. We kicked their butts, so they shifted tactics. They started blowing up Mosques and attacking Iraqis instead of Americans, in a deliberate attempt to set off sectarian violence.

So, no, our presence does NOT prolong instability. AL QAEDA'S presence is what prolongs instability. Our presence PRESERVES stability, and PRODUCES it.



Rocky JOne
"another attack will be a complete failure of Bush's policy."

You mean, like the first attack was a complete failure of Clinton's policy?

Or perhaps, is it fairer to say that the attacks -- all of them -- are the work of terrorists who want us dead, and will go to incredible lengths to see it happen? Rather than attempting to turn their viciousness into partisan political hay?

incognito
Are you aware that everybody sees the length of your meth-induced ranting, and just scrolls past it?

You posted what looked like the same rant yesterday, and I ignored it then, too. I still haven't read it. Nor will I.

Brevity, sir, is the soul of wit. Take a lesson.


Hey Incognito!
Do you think anyone bothers to read posts that are pages and pages long? This is not your university thesis, it is a comment board; please be brief and to the point, and more people will read your posts.

Olberman Rocks,
I'll use a leftist tactic on you. Since you never actually had to fight, you have no say in the war. None. The fact that you signed up for the benefits says alot about you. The military is much better off without you.

Coulter
Must be Coulter time,the moonbats are flocking&feeding. Please,will some of you quit wasting precious time and space here with the ad hominem attacks,and manifestos? Just a couple of questions for those of you who consider the WoT a waste of time,treasure&life.Indulge me here. When the attacks of 9/11 took place,did any of the perpetrators ask those in the planes,on the ground in those buildings that were hit,or their families do you support our cause,or are you against us? Next ?,Do any of you who oppose the WoT,or think we are on the wrong track,think for a moment these terrorists are not going to kill you just as dead as those of us who think fighting this threat is justified? Am curious about what you think. Please,no feelings,just thoughts.

to the rest of the libs,
You seem to be afraid that Al-Qaeda is getting stronger, therefore we must cower. Don't worry libs, we'll fight the wars for you, just as we have for the past 60 years or so.

Blame America first
During the Cold War, we were told that Castro was not a Communist, but the US government made him into one by opposing him. Similarly, we are told that the carnage in Viet Nam and Cambodia after the lefties won their great victory in South-east Asia was the fault of the US driving the enemy to these extremes.

When we beat the Germans and the Japanese (with far greater carnage than any other war), they surrendered and accepted occupation; the French are legendary for their ability to cooperate with their conquerors. Yet we are to believe that the Communists were so traumatized by the US that they had to butcher and starve their own people. It never occurred to the left that butchery and forced starvation are part of the Marxist playbook, whether the US is involved or not.

Similarly, we are dealing with savages who have no sense of honor in the Western sense of the word. They did not turn to terror because of US imperialism, they do it because it is what their belief system tells them to do to infidels and idolators.

Olberman Fan
Typical lib--joins the National Guard not to serve his country, but to have his fellow Americans pay for his education.

Then, when duty calls, simply refuse because the war is not, in your opinion, "just."

Your facts are wrong.
I know there's a general aversion to facts in the right leaning media... you're not to blame, facts often support the truth, and the truth has a well known liberal bias.*

The truth in this case is that world terrorism has significantly gone up since we've invaded Iraq**. Most intelligence experts agree... it's because we went into Iraq.



* Steven Colbert, National Press Club 2006

** http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/04/26/AR2005042601623.html

CT: "Olberman Rocks?"

Clearly, you're somewhat confused. Olbermoron is actually "dumber than a box of rocks!"


Yup, a "laftist" tactic, "Since you never actually had to fight, you have no say in the war. None."

One of the dumbest, most illogical statements ever made... even by a "laftist." (and yes, I meant "laftist.")

We know the laftist code of logic...

1, 3, J, pink, some wild card, Africa, and on every Thurs. that falls on an odd date, the next logical item in your logic is "pickup trucks."



J.C.
You might be right because there's no money fund trips to Afganistan in Saudi Arabia... oh, wait a minute that's not the case is it...Think about it tens of thousands of terrosist went to Afganistan during the 80's to fight the Russians now your saying there would be no way they could get there now, right? To steal a line "give me a break!"

inkling_revival
I just wanted to ditto your comments about the blame game. It does no good to blame anyone but Bin Laden for 9/11. Whatever mistakes are made in this war, we need to remember the old idea that politics stops at the water's edge.

Anyone can Monday morning quarterback, but in this war mistakes have been made, and will be made in the future. Those mistakes will cost lives. And no president, regardless of their party, is immune from this brutal reality.

You forgot to mention
Jim "Oompa bin Loompa" Webb!

Oompa, Loompa, doom-pa-dee-do
I have a perfect puzzle for you
Oompa, Loompa, doom-pa-dee-dee
If you were wise, you'd have listened to me

What did you want when you voted Webb in?
A tough talking, swaggering, combat vet-rin
Turns out he’s not as gonna vote as you’d think
Wore olive drab but votes Code Pink.

Don't know what to make of it.

JC
Then why did they call themselves "Mujahideen"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mujahideen#Mujahideen_of_Afghanistan

inkling_revival
"The sectarian strife (in Iraq) is the result of DELIBERATE ACTION BY AL QAEDA."

That statement is beyond belief. Anyone who knows a basic history of the area predicted a secterian power struggle.

The Kurdish quest for independence is hundreds of years old.

And the Sunni Shiite dispute bagan in 8th century.

While fordign fighters have taken advantage of the instability, they most certainly did not cause it.

It is non-conservative Republicans like you who will cost us the electio next year.


JC again
If the fight in Afganistan in the 80's was about econmics what kind of econmics was the Mujahideen fighting for? Were they free market types?they weren't commies becasue that's who they were fighting. Once the Russians left they didn't seem to be? Please enlighten us as to what the econmics of Afganistan had to do with OBL going there to help people kill Russians.

JC- to recuit fighter?
You must have missed the 1st part of my question. If as you claim, the 1st war in Afganistan was an economic war then what side were they fighting for? Remeber they were fighting before we started to help them with money and arms. You and I both know if was a holy war for them and that's why you gave me the lame answer "to recruit fighter". Thanks for playing along it was fun.

jc's brain
Sometimes people believe they have functional brain matter and we mistake it for your crazy rantings. Also, incognito, get a new post! I saw the same crazy rant the other day, it didn't make any sense then , either. On second thought, don't get a new one. I'm sure this one reflects the last year's output of your so-called life. Let's go shopping for tinfoil hats together sometime, right after I get my new psychotropic compound 'scrip filled so I can understand minds (?) like yours.

Auto flag as offensive
Any post longer than the original column. Especially if the post is repeated on several threads, in this case seven and counting.

It's clear that jesus c's motive is

only to be offensive and obnoxious!

The only alternative is to IGNORE him/her.




ok, JC you brought me back
You’re starting to twist into a pretzel with your logic on this one. At 1st you state:

"Remember that Saudi Arabia and Iraq are considered holy land by the holy warriors. Af-stan isn't."

And after I ask a couple of questions that you neglected to answer, you leave me with this:

"glad you had a good time. but I'm afraid your bliss comes from ignorance.
just because "we" weren't in the fight doesn't mean there can be no holy war."

It's getting late for me at least) so maybe I'm losing it but aren't these two statements a contradiction?? After all first you tell Afghanistan isn't or wasn’t a holy war and then 1/2 hour later you tell me that it was a holy war even though we we're in it. Which is man?? I don't think you know yourself. As for the ignorance shot, I'll let that go because there are times I like coming here and debating things with Libs like you, it’s fun but why is it when I or other people here at TH ask a question of someone they disagree with the other person (in this case you) never answers the question, they just move to another point of view? Don't worry I know the answer; it's a lack of substance.

Hey ex-canuck: jc is just another one

that is best ignored!

I haven't read one... NOT ONE...relevant, coherent, intelligent, germane post on any thread... NOT ONE!

Just another idiot liberal troll!


Start from Here
incognito- Get a Blog for crying out loud.

At the beginning of this Iraq fiasco, I thought we should have waited and develop plans around what was happening. We didn't, we went in to Iraq. That's water under the bridge. We are there now.

The leftys seem to want to return to the thrilling days of yesteryear and begin again from 9/10. Guess what--- woulda shoulda coulda.The question is what next. For the leftys its surrender. Run away and that bad Islamofacist won't chase me. (good luck with that.)

The fact is that for now we have the battlefield of our choice. A very fine Russian Army got bogged down in the nasty terrain of Afghanistan, so that is not the good battlefield. The battlefield of the enemy's choice is the USA.
Don't be fooled, there has to be a battlefield. Haven't you heard? Al Quada has declared war on us.

Just the facts sir.
Why do folks continually insist on throwing mud at each other, instead of presenting the facts. Name calling is so childish. That is what keeps us from
discussing real issues. I do not a figs fortune what
Edwards or Romney paid to get a hair cut, as long as my money is not being spent.

Inkless Revival, 8:11p.m.
Allow me to speak for Olberman Rocks, which will be fairly easy considering I'm him. Inkster, you're long on (false) analysis and red herrings, but short on logic and common sense. The point of my original post was crystal clear, but to admit it would require you to acknowledge
your own cowardice.

Inkster: "OR, I'm 52 years old. I can't enlist. I do what I can -- write letters, defend the truth against moral sh1ts like you, etc".

R-O-Olb: Soldiers die and risk losing limbs, and you write letters and talk. Unless one of your letters contains the location of terrorists, you need to S-T-F-U. If you can't talk the Islamo-fascists into laying down their arms, why not shut your pie hole? Don't get me wrong. Talk all you want. But if you think talking and writing letters is comparable to the actions of our soldiers of sufficient to assist in combating terrorism, you're a more delusional shmuck than you realize.

Inkster: "You're the one who concocted that truly sad rationalization for why it's ok to abandon Iraqis to their doom ("at least we're not asking anybody to risk their lives when we're not willing to risk ours.)"

R-O-Olb: You've still neglected to explain why a war so decisive to the future of America has so few soldiers, but so many cheerleaders. Now if you insist on keeping your skirt and pom-poms, that's fine. Just stop criticizing those who care enough for the troops to call for a troop withdrawal.

Inkster: "But it really doesn't matter, because if guys like you had real arguments against the war, you'd use them."

R-O-Olb: Inkster, do you mean reasons like (1)no WMDs, (2)No link to Al-queda (3)We're in the middle of a civil war between religious factions dating back some 15 centuries, (4)the true enemy is an ideology not rooted in one country, (5)our presence is fueling the insurgency, (6)the Iraqis don't want us there, or (7)our soldiers are sitting ducks with no true rules of engagement?

Inkster: "Go soak your head in a toilet, you moral slime."

R-O-Olb: A rather juvenile ad hominem attack from a chap (I can't call you a man) of your intellect. Let's raise the bar.

Inkster: "I'm done talking to you. I need to go wash my hands, 'cause I feel dirty now."

R-O-Olb: Because of your blind loyalty in supporting this administration in this war, instead of dirt, I think you're trying to wash the blood off your hands. And now Inkster, we're done talking to each other.

Anne 10:14pm
You are correct on jc, I have yet to read a post of his that made any sense.

I just wish he would take another "handle". The man that really owns that one is so far out of his league it ain't even funny.

Right on Ann
Ann is right, Democrats are blaming America once again. This time they're blaming us for making our enemies more mad at us by invading their countries, killing their leaders, and instituting humanitarian governments who don't want to declare holy wars on the people of the free world.

The poster Grumpy was right when he said the Democrats have chosen sides: their own. They do not support America, or the good of us all, but the good of themselves. They're almost all power-mad ideologues who are merely trying to push a socialist agenda and will distort the truth (by saying things like we're "losing" to camel-riding nomads... as Ann mentioned) to gain power. The Democrats would switch in an instant to supporting America if it would benefit them politically, and of course, the media would be there pretending like the Democrats were on our side all along.

I will now wait for my hate-filled word-assault from a Liberal who will probably accuse me of such things as being Conservative on a Conservative website.

CT and Rock Weak-O
You two make many assumptions without knowing a person. I didn't leave the national guard to avoid duty. I left because in 1999 my 8 year commitment was up.

Now, to address a comment that no sensible person would ever make (I can't believe you both made it). My ignorant brethrens, all (more likely about 90%) college students that join the military do so for the educational benefits. Heck, many college students that drop out join the military. This is what recruiters pitch to college bound students.

If called to war and killed, are their deaths any less tragic. I'm sure the many college students who put their academic careers on hold to fight this war wouldn't be thrilled with your self-righteousness. Get a clue.

good old townhall.com
There are two main web sites I know I can go to where I will NOT see a majority of articles and posts that contain a thoughtful conservative analysis of this topic.

One is Huffington post and the other is Townhall.com

But I like to check in on them occasionally to see what people of the two ilks are saying.

It is beyond tiresome to hear people claim that US forces in Iraq are fighting "the same people who staged 9/11."

It is equally tiresome to hear the same people claim that leaving Iraq means "surrendering Iraq to al-Qaeda."

Bush, who is no conservative and appears very much to be a coward, does not want to accept responsibility for the fact that he did not know the area of Mesopotamia very well before he sent our young men in there.

It is time to allow those poor people in Iraq to fight their civil war to a conclusion and achieve some modicum of stability. It is not going to be pleasant to watch.

In terms of the group who attacked us, it is past time to eliminate them. In order to do that, you have to kill them and remove their base of operations. You cannot do that by running our army into the ground fighting the wrong people.

Hey Rocks-in-head Old bar man
So are we to deduce from your posts that you joined the NG to fleece the taxpayer for your college education?

Too many folks JUST LIKE YOU did the same, figuring it was a cushy gig, no war and all, only to get caught up before their 8 was up. Oh well.

Like they say, gamble with only what you can afford to lose.

jc BTW
Funny thing how Liz Edwards is doing EXACTLY what she accused Anne of doing isn't it?
"Politics of hate" or some such nonesense is her account of Anne calling Johnny-boy out for the Fem he is....then she goes and pretty much call Mrs Clinton a man...Typical Hypocrite! Typical Dim-Lib!

Karen from KC


Please find an original thought...ooops, I forgot that there isn't ONE SINGLE original thought in the entire Looney-Lib-Left wing of your party (which I am sure you are a revered and worshiped member of). My apologies (for forgetting how you people operate).

But honestly, those Looooong CUT & Paste posts of yours on various threads that all say the same thing should be flagged as spam. No?

Rocky JOne
All Clinton did was sign the 1998 Iraq Liberation Act that made regime change in Iraq the official US policy. And how can you possibly think that Clinton's policies have no relevance to a discussion about terrorism? The Dems advocate (to the extent that one can discern any semblance of a coherent plan from them) a return to Clinton's policies, so that alone makes Clinton highly relevant to this discussion. And Bush had been in office a mere nine months prior to 9-11, and he had not yet been elected when al Qaeda was planning its attack and preparing for it on US soil. I don't blame Clinton; I blame the terrorists. But Clinton largely ignored the threat - partly because the public had little interest in it and partly because Clinton declined to show leadership on the issue. I wish Clinton had dealt with the threat more forcefully and I wish Bush would do the same.

It's a LGBT thing; I wouldn't understand
It's perplexing how liberals, who are supposed to be the champions of LGBTs, resort to using as pejorative epithets the very words they claim to revere.

They fume if one of their own is called a "fa66ot," yet they use terms like "she-male" and "trannie" as insults. I don't understand the inconsistency.

It's as if a conservative attempted to insult a liberal by calling him an "evangelical," a "home-schooler," or a "flag-waver."


Ann:

It’s absolutely amazing to me, how seemingly more prescient the Democrats were about Saddam when the POTUS had a D after his name. Clinton, eight years ago, in one of his more lucid moments (perhaps between cigars) said, "Let's imagine the future, What if [Saddam] fails to comply [with U.N. sanctions], and we fail to act, or we take some ambiguous third route which gives him yet more opportunities to develop this program of weapons of mass destruction and continue to press for the release of the sanctions and continue to ignore the solemn commitments that he made?" His words (eerily) could as easily be applied to Al Qaeda. Continuing, Clinton said, "He will conclude that the international community has lost its will. He will then conclude that he can go right on and do more to rebuild an arsenal of devastating destruction. "And some day, some way, I guarantee you, he'll use the arsenal."

The attacks against America, as Ann so aptly pointed out, began long before we occupied Iraq. This is a clash of cultures. The Islamofascists are not going to go away. If we abandon Iraq we will only embolden them further and we will reap a terrible harvest, for not having completed the job of weeding them out and destroying them.

Frank C
Its too bad that you find it difficult to accept they are the same people...ideologically, suicidely (is there such a word? I'll bet there is IN ARABIC).

Far be it from me to profile any particular group but lets face it...Not all Muslims are terrorists BUT so far ALL the terrorists ARE MUSLIM (and don't give me the McVeigh argument as you defend the Islamofacists either).

It seems to be atypical of Dims to NOT recognize the enemy.

Take Boston for instance. The Dim-bulb Mayor sold a city-owned parcel of land valued at $6 million for less than $4 million to CAIR (Council on American Islamic Relations) for them to build a Mosque on.
That CAIR is a group whose leader is currently on trial for his ties to Hezbolah, the premier Iranian backed terror organization, didn't faze Mr Mayor one bit.
The idea that they might recruit from the mosque someone who will attack the level 5 Biolab that he also put a deal together for never crossed his mind. Or maybe he just thought the same way the rest of you dolts think - "these aren't the people who attacked us on 0/11".

Oddly enough on the Cantonese version of the multi-lingual election ballots where they had to use "characters that sound like" the Mayors name translates to "barbarian with mud for brains". I can only wonder (because I do not read Cantonese) if they actually translated "Liberal Democrat" instead of his name.

jesu c's 9:48 post
So the fact I was born in and lived in canada for 26 years, then chose to become a u.s. citizen isn't enough of a reason to use ex-canuck as a handle ?As far as running down the canadian health care system"that canadians can't live without", I believe you SHOULD have said "can't live WITH " . I'm very familiar with that system, the waits for treatment, lack of modern non-invasive procedures, fact that there are more MRI machines and CT scanners in Orlando than in all of canada, etc. I don't need to 'run it down' thats already been accomplished by the system itself! and finally, I am part of the'american healthcare capitalists conspiracy ' you speak of. And again, whether or not Ms.Coulter is or is not a transvestite, has a large adam's apple, or whatever; have ABSOLUTELY no bearing on the humor nor the cogency of her argument. You exhibit the typical intellectual level of some, thankfully not most, of liberal posters here.-By the way, "stupider"? I'm pretty sure that's not an actual word, at least after reading grade level 4, which would be about correct for your demonstrated intellect.

Magnificus
Magnificus: "So are we to deduce from your posts that you joined the NG to fleece the taxpayer for your college education?"

R-O-Olb: You shouldn't deduce that, but since propaganda takes precedence over logic with you, I'm not surprised that you do.

Assuming you value logic, let me drop some knowledge on you. Active duty personel take college courses during their enlistment. Are they fleecing the taxpayers? Do you view benefits offered as a means of recruitment fleecing the taxpayers? Maybe you don't know this, but all military personnel are paid via taxpayer dollars. Also Magnif, if a benefit is offered up front, is fleecing even necessary? (You do know the meaning of fleece, don't you?)

Now do you feel the need to apologize for insulting a whole military branch while trying to insult me? I'm sure my National Guard brothers and sisters deserve that much.

Magnificus: "Too many folks JUST LIKE YOU did the same, figuring it was a cushy gig, no war and all, only to get caught up before their 8 was up.""

R-O-Olb: I joined in 1991, right after the first Gulf War. I know of 1 National Guard unit that was deployed, which is a lot considering the war lasted only 3 days. I, and pretty much all reservist, now join knowing that this isn't George Bush's National Guard.

Clarification
It seems that Bush has removed at least some of the shackles that were on our troops, such as not allowing them to pursue terrorists and insurgents into Sadr City and other places. But we should have bombed Iran as soon as we found proof that Iran has been supplying weapons and training to terrorists and insurgents in Iraq. In fact, I agree with others who say we should have overthrown the Ayatollahs in Iran right after we took out Saddam. Then we should have installed martial governments like we did in Germany and Japan after WWII, until their respective people's had enough internal security and stability to establish their own governments. We pushed democracy on them before they were ready.

Also, I understand the delicacy of pushing Musharraf too hard in Pakistan because we don't want to help radicals overthrow him and get their hands on the country's nukes. But we should entertain the option of taking out their nukes. We simply cannot tolerate indefinitely the safe haven that al Qaeda enjoys in Waziristan.

No need to
apologize...I was referring to YOU specifically as it sounded like you thought it was an easy wauy to get college paid for without the threat of a war breaking out while you were in...the classic gamble of a conscientious objector.

A Parallel Example
"Afghan Opium Poppy Crop Hits Record:...Ambassador William Wood said preliminary data show that Afghan farmers harvested 457,135 acres of opium poppies this year, up from 407,715 acres last year. The growing industry fuels the Taliban, crime, addiction, and government corruption...Afghanistan last year accounted for 92 percent of global opium production, up from 70 percent in 2000 and 52 percent a decade earlier. With the higher yields, global opium production increased 43 percent between 2005 and 2006." Chicago Tribune July 18, 2007

Now, what can we make of this report, which certainly comes under the heading of "negative news"? 1) Amabassador William Wood is a liberal liar who wants to make Bush look bad? But he was appointed by Bush. He's Bush's man in Afghanistan. 2) The paper that published this is a lying liberal rag? The Chicago Tribune hasn't endorsed a Democrat for President of the United States since 1852. 3) This information is bogus because US presence in Afghanistan has been a force for good; freedom is on the march and the enemy is on the run, to quote Mr Bush? I expect some of you will believe that.

How about this: some news is terrible. Some of what we have done in the Middle East is not only negative, it is disastrous. And a person who acknowledges reality isn't necessarily a traitor.

I am at least as troubled by events here at home as I am by events in the Middle East. When a sizeable part of our population automatically rejects any news that reflects badly on the Bush administration as a lie, and automatically accepts any cheerleading that makes the administration look good as the Gospel, then the people are primed to receive propaganda as truth, and democracy is in trouble.


fellowAmerican: Double-standard

It's just another double-standard.

I remember Arsenio Hall commenting one night to a white guest, "We call one another names that you better not, otherwise..." and he punched his open palm with a fist -- demonstrating what would happen. Those sorts of ethnic expressions can be used as a greeting, to connote a shared bond, or they can be used in anger.

Not unlike the Blacks’ use of the "N" word, the GLBSTG community believe they own the other "F" word and similar GLBSTG descriptives. Echoing Arsenio, "[They] call one another names that you better not, otherwise..."

Their hatred for Ann is beyond rational. That is readily exhibited by self-hatred, as they engage in attacking her with irrational self-loathing epithets. Which is otherwise known as, projection.

Old-bar-man
Wasn't it you who wrote...

"I JOINED FOR educational reasons (G. I. bill, tuition assistance, ETC...), but if called upon to fight a JUST war, I was always willing and more than able."

But only if you determined the war to be "JUST"..Forget the "it is not ours to question why?" part eh?

I wasn't going to say anything, but...
Rocky Olbercoward has pushed a button. I was going to let it go after his first post, but he just kept on spewing his sickening BS and I just couldn't hold myself back any longer.

I have never been in the military, however, for the last four years, it has been my honor to work with many active duty military people. I have yet to meet a single one who has said they joined because they wanted a free ride on the government teat like ol' Rocky Olberdufuss. Every time I hear a coward of his ilk trying to lecture the rest of us on the War on Terror like they have some special standing due to their "service" and we don't have a right to discuss the topic because we didn't "serve" like they did, I want to puke.

It's a typical liberal tactic. John Kerry used it constantly in '04. Murtha and Webb both use it. There are other typical liberal tactics on display here. The ad hominem attack, the ad nauseum regurgitation of Move On/Media Matters talking points, the pointless monologue, and mindless incoherent tinfoil hat ramblings all delivered with their own patented brand of self-righteous condescension.

All of their BS amounts to the same thing: Bush concocted the War on Terror for political gain. They don't think it's real and we're all stupid idiots for thinking it is and those who really serve now are fools for not doing what Rock-on-Olbertraitor did: refuse to fight an "unjust" war.

I'm proud of the military guys I work with and of the job they're doing. Rockhead Olbinladen isn't fit to lick the camel dung off their boots. Anything he says is highly suspect and he's the fool for believing what his masters at MoveOn tell him.

I for one intend to continue supporting the War on Terror wherever it's being fought by whatever administration is fighting it. Those people want to kill us. Not because of anything I did, or Rockbrain Olberdolt did, or Bush did, or Clinton did, or Mickey Mouse did, but because they want to run the world and their religion says that killing infidels to further that goal is A-OK. If Olbermoron would take off his rose colored glasses and take something for his BDS, he might notice that little factoid.

OK. Rant over. Back to our regularly scheduled programming...

And Party Loyalists Slug It Out Again
Let's spice it up a bit. For instance, anyone in complete agreement with every objective their party supports has given his mind over to the cause.

Those who just don't have the ability to reason should stay away from the polls, IMO.

Many registered Republicans have serious disagreements on various issues with a great number of their state and federal representatives.

Assuming they also are not a flock of sheep, the same should be true of registered Democrats.

Our common sense and principles come before
political party allegiance.


Coulter up to her usual tricks
Make the most absurd and incindiery assessments possible, then acribe them to anyone who dares question Bush's policies. Puhleeeze!

Critics of Bush, at least those with whom I speak, don't believe that there was no terrorist threat prior to the Iraq occupation. Rather, we argue that diverting our resources from Afghanistan to Iraq, and doing so incompetently, has in fact increased the threat to western interests.

I direct readers here to lily's post regarding the explosion of poppy production in Afghanistan. Hello! The proceeds from that production constitute one of the major sources of funding for both AQ and the Taliban. The admin fixates on Iranian and Syrian support of terror while Bush's buddies the Saudis fund the Sunni insurgency and wahabi madrases(?) around the world. And speaking of Iran, their dominance in the region grows daily. Why? The bungling in Iraq has removed the two forces restraining their efforts, Sadam Hussein, and the threat of American invasion. In addition, as we have learned today, due to the inaction of our other ally in the region, Musharef, AQ has had a free hand to regroup in western Pakistan.

In one regard I agree with Anne, withdrawl from Iraq before a unity gov't and stability have been established is unwise, but that doesn't mean that this emperor is not butt nekkid!

Allen
My mistake -- I was thinking July, not June. But using the Amazon rankings for a paperback is ridiculous. Online bookstores don't provide good discounts for paperbacks, and Amazon only ships for free if you spend far more than a paperback costs, so anybody with a brain won't buy a paperback on Amazon. And given that her hardcover book was a bestseller (on your favorite reference, Amazon), it seems that everybody who wants to read the book already bought it in hardcover. I've got a great idea. Why don't you call her Mann Coulter or a tranny -- then you don't even need an argument. It really impresses the third-graders.

Allen
If you had your way, the New York Times would detail exactly how we have stopped the terrorist plots in the last 6 years so that the terrorists could learn what we're doing and change their tactics. How do you not see the idiocy of your statement? And doesn't capturing people that have plans to bomb buildings, airports, and military bases count as "stopping terrorist attacks" in your book? Does someone have to arrive at the last second and tackle someone with a suitcase nuke in order for that to be stopping a terrorist attack? If that actually happened, you'd be b1tching about how incompetent the administration is because they should have stopped it sooner.

"What, me worry?”
Ann writes: "... the Democrats are all claiming that the threat of terrorism was nonexistent ... The question is: Which side are the Democrats on? "

I write: Hearing the Democrat's illogical rhetoric assures me that I am on the right side: The "war on (against) terror."

The Democrats have already proven whose side they are on, and it worries me that they are holding an office in our government.

attack on U.S. soil
If there is another attack on U.S. soil how are we supposed to defend ourselves when over half the Army, National Guard and Marine Corps is deployed, and the other half doesn’t have all their equipment, because it was either destroyed or left in Iraq.

matthew
"...attack on U.S...."

We were defemseless on 9/11. We've been given no assurance that we will be in the future.

matthew
Correction:

We've been given no assurance that we WON'T be in the future.

harmony
You confuse me, are you agreeing with me?

Creating Terrorists


Dona261 July, 18, 2007 7:43

“. . . . . that the war in Iraq has created more terrorists”

Based on personal observation from 13 years in the Middle East - - - -

Terrorists are created in the madrasses, mosques, and homes where imams and mothers are contaminated with radical Islamic teachings.

You may correctly state that Iraq attracts terrorists, you may not accurately say terrorists are created in Iraq.

Hmmmmm, victory in Iraq may be as simple as when the majority of children who know Americans, and 51% of the voters say “Americans are not our enemy”!

The political solutions can then follow. Today we talk about the political solutions before the war is won!

Incognito? Sounds familiar!
I think he is from a lefty-controlled design products site called zazzle.com. A psuedo-wannabe intellectual and angry leftybot. These leftibots are like sharks waiting in anticipation to rip Ann Coulter's commentaries up. See, we they are in a frenzy on this thread. It's become an addiction for them. They experience a temporary high then they go back to being depressed until Ann's next set of wisdom comes along.

soothsayer
If you think we got a thumpin in '06, just wait and see what happens to you people in '08.

Rocky JOne
Hey dude, Clinton's approach led to 9/11 because he did nothing when the terrorists struck during the nineties.

To TH Regulars and conservatives
From the “about Townhall” page:

“Townhall.com was launched in 1995 as the first conservative web community” and “Townhall.com is designed to amplify conservative voices in America’s political debates just as the 2006 and 2008 election cycles begin to heat up.”

Nowhere in this description is there a sentence that says it was founded to provide liberal trolls with a place to advance their scat. The posts on the Ann Coulter columns by insane liberal trolls have become so over the top and so numerous that by the time morning is reached on Thursday one will wear out the scroll wheel getting to the end of the comments. In addition, it has become difficult to sort out the meaningful posts from the insane gibbering of these trolls.

To the TH regulars I propose a solution. Do not respond to any post from a liberal, no matter how stupid or smart it may be. Scroll past, without reading anyone you recognize as a liberal troll or anyone who uses an offensive moniker, including the name of current live politicians. Instead, make posting a debate between the conservatives and general liberal or Democrat Party positions as stated by the Democrats.

The object of this is to perhaps make the trolls go away. After that, it may be possible to go back to meaningful debate.

HalO
Thank you for once again proving yourself to be a blithering idiot. I am sure it makes no sense to you that the reason why so many terrorists plots have been foiled since 9/11 is because WE HAVE ENGAGED THE ENEMY. We have at times infiltrated their "intelligence" and as a result we have been able to stop or at least lesson the effect of their attacks. But what the hell do you care? It is only American safety we are talking about, and since liberalism is all about tearing the United States apart what's the difference if a few more Americans are killed in the name of Islam. YOu hate Bush, and that's all that matters to people like you. No matter what else happens, getting Bush is the only important thing.

Vic
I'm sorry brother, I just can not let these people get away with some of the assanine things they say. For me, this is the only forum where I have an opportunity to respond to the drivel that I hear spewed by the drive-by media morning, noon and night. This IS the arena of ideas, and if these people want to enter, I view it as my duty to defeat them.

ex-canuck: jesus c. 6:34AM post.


Just another irrlevant, rediculous, post!

Oh yeah, he's a loopy liberal. That explains it!




And, I don't mean to be unkind....but

it seems to me that Elizabeth Edwards could have made MUCH better use of the hundreds of dollars that her husband has spent on his hair.

That poor women is in dire need of a hair stylist!







Report undercuts Bush’s story line

Sobering intelligence report undercuts Bush’s story line

How has the war in Iraq helped when al-Qaeda has reconstituted northwestern Pakistan? And if we had focused on Afghanistan would we have been able to stop the re-originations of al-Qaeda on their boarder in Pakistan?

USATODAY-New estimate demonstrates need to refocus on threat behind 9/11.

This week, the Bush administration issued what amounts to a status report on the war on terror it launched almost six years ago in the wake of the 9/11 attacks. The report came in the form of a National Intelligence Estimate (NIE), which distills the best analysis of 16 intelligence agencies about the battle against Islamic extremism.

The document itself — a two-page summary of a wider, still-classified report — isn’t particularly new or surprising. Its findings reflect trends that are visible in daily news reports. What’s striking, though, is the way its story line diverges from the standard White House portrayal of the war on terror, which casts Osama bin Laden’s al-Qaeda network as on the run and the Iraq war as the primary front.

The intelligence agencies say al-Qaeda has reconstituted its central organization, putting the United States in a “heightened threat environment.” Al-Qaeda’s leaders have established a new haven in remote, tribal areas of northwestern Pakistan.

READ MORE

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/sobering-intelligence-report-undercuts-bushs-story-line

stephen
This is a new argument that I have heard several times. So there are two Al-qaidas out there, the REAL one and the one you claim we created by going into Iraq. Is it your contention that if we had not entered Iraq these new Al-qaida would be peaceful people today? If not, does that mean that they would be fighting with the rest of Al-qaida in Afghanistan, where you contend the real threat is? And if so, wouldn't that mean that we would have to fight them there anyway? And where is the evidence that these people are only in Afghanistan? Weren't all of the hijackers actually Saudi? Doesn't the fact that we have a stronghold on Iraq and Afghanistan give us a tactical advantage against Iran? And how exactly do we become safer by having Bush appologize or whatever you want him to do which would most certainly embolden the enemy?

Sacrifices all in vain.....
In WW2 the media, the public and all the elements of local/state/federal government understood that we were at war. "Loose lips sink ships" was the call of the day.

As long as the administration tolerates the moonbats, the downright treasonous acts of Harry Reid and the Al-Queda sympathizers at the New York Times the U.S. will not win in Iraq.

I retired from the military after 21 years of service but at this point I have to recommend withdrawal. Until the Bush administration brings charges against these buffoons our troops sacrifices are in vain. A charge of treason, and immediate incarceration, against Harry Reid would give pause to the insurgents in Iraq. Ann has pointed out several times that the insurgents structure their attacks to coincide with the political discourse in the senate halls.

We have to defeat the enemy at home before we can possibly win abroad.

ahhh, more whining from the...
SEDITIOUS BUT EVER CLUELESS LIBTARDS... LOL!

Well maybe Bush did as some pathetic nit-wit commenting on this commentary by Coulter whined, "dropped the ball"... Terrorist towel heads and followers of the PEDOPHILE PROPHET should have been blasted to their constituent parts by the millions...

I mean right out of the box some libtard by the name of 'soothsayer' somehow, in some bizzare way thinks that Coulter's commentary and the 2006 election results are linked... Hmmm, public school funds wasted again...

Apparently 'soothsayer' has a fellow traveler by the name of, 'truthteller' (LOL! libtard and truth! LOL!) who's inability to follow all that happenend between '93 and 2001 is quite like the SUPREME GORON's inability to tackle reality - NIL!...

Good stuff! Heady entertainment....





Conservative and Liberal lies
Truth is getting harder and harder to get to from both sides of the aisle. Liberals don't care so much about the war as they do about trashing Republicans in hopes of regaining power. Truth has no meaning to them unless it is connected to a liberal victory in the elections.

Republicans like Coulter don't get it either. I am not a liberal because I refuse to support an illegal war. Wasn't it interesting that after no WMD's were found, all of a sudden, the cause celebre of the war was not WMD's -- OH NO -- we went there to take out an evil dictator! And we are good people because we freed the Iraquis.

There are evil dictators all over the world. Who appointed us the moral police of the world?(especially as a nation that murders millions of its unborn citizens every year!!!!) Why doesn't little Orphan Ann talk about how our country is using depleted uranium in this war? Have any of you seen or read about what this stuff does? Have you seen the deformed babies being born, the cancers it starts? Just WHO are the terrorists anyway?

Then there's the little issue of why we are in Iraq in the first place when it wasnt' even Iraquis on those planes. And finally, more and more of us are starting to ask questions about this whole fiasco -- like, for instance, if the Pentagon was hit by a 757, where did the tons of plane debris disappear to and why was the hole in the side of the Pentagon more consistent with a small plane (or a missle!) than with a giant superjet?

Thanks to the Internet, government types on the left and the right are finding it harded and harder to fool the people so that their monetary and political ends can be achieved at the cost of our blood.

Would that the lackeys like Annie would have just a modicum of decency and honesty with the facts floating around Cyberspace!