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Deport 'em and seize Mexican oil to pay for it. And the wall.

I agree with Juandos

"I want the US to stop exploiting the rest of the world so that other places can have the chance to become as desireable and safe as the US advertises itself as being"...

Juandos, like you I agree that this is a flawed economic analysis.

Surely now, in the 21st Century it is time to throw away, and I mean throw away, Marxist economic analysis, which has distorted any efforts by the pragmatic left to address social justice issues.

If you judge the theories by results, then history has proved that these theories are wrong.

For example, the "labour theory of value" distorts the market, placing value judgements in the hands of the producer rather than the consumer. And hey, if it takes twice as long to make does that mean it's twice as useful? Of course not!!! All it means is that the company that is producing the goods is twice as inefficient.

The "extraction of surplus value" theory demonises all investment, and the logical conclusion to such an analysis is the "dictatorship of the proletariat" where all industry is owned by the state. But if all industry is owned by the state, then at a stroke you throw out competition, and hence any incentive to increase efficiency or respond to messages from the market.

"From each according to his ability; to each according to his need" This may have a superficial moral appeal, but in practice the unintended consequences of this are that you destroy the market, and hence destroy the price mechanism. The price mechanism is a far more efficient means of matching supply and demand than any amount of state control - hence the queues for bread in the Soviet Union.

... bring back Beebwatch...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2003/09/09/do0901.xml

Soothsayer

"You're kidding - right?
People still listen to Anne Coulter?"

Hell yes!

I listen to Ann Coulter, because however stringently uncompromising she is, I prefer her punditry to the nauseatingly liberal stuff that the BBC churns out.

Oh, and by the way - I am forced by law to pay for the BBC. At least with Ann Coulter, you don't have to listen.

That's the difference between conservative and liberal broadcasting.

"Liberal" broadcasting in my country is paid for through coercion as it is a CRIMINAL offence for me not to pay my TV Licence which is punishable by a fine of up to £1000 pounds.
http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/information/detectionandpenalties.jsp

Conservative broadcasting is take it or leave it.
No-one forces you to pay for Ann Coulter's punditry!!! That's because it is a FREE MARKET.

You see - that's the trouble with American liberals - you have no idea what liberal socialism actually leads to ....

By the way, in the future a tracker will be attached to my car so that the government can monitor where I am driving and charge me by the mile:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4610755.stm

Oh, and my rubbish/trash is to be weighed ...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5404730.stm

And I am to apply for an ID card ....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/actionnetwork/A2319176

"Your papers pleeze ... give me your papers ...."

that americans won't do...

Excessive immigration distorts everything... look if it takes twenty or thirty bucks an hour for americans to do agricultural field work, then so be it. If strawberries have to cost 10 dollars a basket, then so be it. Other wages will rise to accomodate. White collar work will become less well-rewarded relative to blue. Let's pay people what it truly costs for all the hard and dirty work that is still necessary in our industrial and post-industrial economy. That's honest. And our whole system will rationalise. It needs it. Jobs Americans won't do? Bu11. We waste too much food in this country anyway. We have lost our connection and respect for it. And we have too many lazy, useless native teenagers...who should start working for their suppers, and their vast inheritance.

Immigration

I am a naturalized citizen, born in South America. I know their bigotry firsthand. Bush will sign Bill and America is done, forever, unless we revolt. WE NEED A REVOLUTION.

Why I’m Leaving The L.A. Times

When I ran for office I heard the same complaint from reporter at the AJC and other major media outlets. They also made it clear that the paper and media outlets are killing stories about how illegal immigrants and overseas outsourcing was killing wages for workers.

I was told on many occasions that the fastest growing departments were focused on the growing illegal community. The news media was about making money first and news second.

Do you think corporations have taking over the major media outlets? Is the internet our best hope to get out alternative views on issues that are not bought and paid for?

Why I’m Leaving The L.A. Times

By- Nancy Cleeland

HP-After 10 years, hundreds of bylines and some of the best experiences of my professional life, I’m leaving the Los Angeles Times at the end of this month, along with 56 newsroom colleagues. We each have our reasons for taking the latest buyout offer from Chicago-based Tribune Company. In my case, the decision grew out of frustration with the paper’s coverage of working people and organized labor, and a sad realization that the situation won’t change anytime soon.

It’s awkward to criticize an old friend, which I still consider the Times to be, but I think the question of how mainstream journalists deal with the working class is important and deserves debate. There may be no better setting in which to examine the issue: The Los Angeles region is defined by gaping income disparities and an enormous pool of low-wage immigrant workers, many of whom are pulled north by lousy, unstable jobs. It’s also home to one of the most active and creative labor federations in the country. But you wouldn’t know any of that from reading a typical issue of the L.A. Times, in print or online. Increasingly anti-union in its editorial policy, and celebrity — and crime-focused in its news coverage, it ignores the economic discontent that is clearly reflected in ethnic publications such as La Opinion.

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http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/why-im-leaving-the-la-times

so let me get this straight

so now even the Wall Street Journal is trying to make Bush look bad?

I guess its like no one pays any attention to the usual anti-bush outlets anymore.

Its really uncanny, never before has a president in U.S. history been attacked by the press from every angle.

This of course tells me he must doing something right.

I'm not really interested in the wsj article, but I imagine if they broke it down by ethnic group, results would vary widely, but I'm thinking the pupose of the study is to provoke caucasian men in their thirties to dislike Bush, but I could be wrong, maybe its just an objective look at the facts.

TheEruditeEarlobe: it's overpopulation

You point out the see-saw battle between the UAW and Detroit auto industry executives and stockholders but draw conclusions I'd like to call into question. For one, when you state that the UAW forces "outrageous" benefits down the throats of the executive class you seem to be unaware of two major facts. First, the profit made from the investment made in the enormous GM pension fund exceeded all profits made from manufacturing cars, in fact dwarfing it, as manufacturing profits are actually nonexistent, in the negative for several consecutive years.

Today GM loses money building cars, but makes billions managing it's pension fund. This makes the phrase "our greatest asset is our people" all too true. So if not for those benefits you complain about, GM might be gone by now - this makes your post quite ironic and in need of restatement.

Moreover, the workers have quite vocally complained about the direction management has taken in light of competition from overseas hybrids and even threatened to sue GM executives for mismanagement. The UAW has spent it's own money lobbying Congress to provide incentives for US carmakers to build hybrids because they felt that the early success of the Prius in 2000, 2001 and 2002 signaled a coming shift in the industry. Now it is 2007 and we see the unions were right, and GM was wrong - GM's sales continue to slide and Toyota, the most profitable AND most fuel-efficient AND least polluting carmaker is poised to premiere the hybrid Camry, combining the best selling car in the US with technology that will save the driver money over the life of the car. Behind that launch will be the hybrid Corolla, currently being designed to bring an affordable hybrid to US buyers. Bravo to the UAW for trying multiple ways to remain competitive despite poor management.

This debate is closely related to the debate over immigration. Caterpillar shows how busting it's unions can keep it competitive, now with a market value higher then the big three combined. Unfortunately, they now pay an average of $10 hour meaning tens of thousands of it's employees better not plan to send their kids to college. Jumping on this bandwagon is Chrysler, bitterly pawned off by Daimler onto Cerebrus who began negotiations with the union seeking starting pay of $12 per hour.

This is the effect of not only immigration, but of globalization. Before NAFTA, we were told to proudly "buy American", but now there is hardly anything being manufactured here. No TVs, appliances, electronics, bicycles, sneakers and fewer cars every day. Wal-Mart leads the corporate offenders, with 1 million low-wage employees, cheaply manufactured imported goods, and numerous, repeated violations of immigrant hiring laws. Despite it's size, this company does the USA no good. It's business practices add to the record trade deficit, target and destroy small businesses all up and down hometown USA main streets, and trains their employees in the tricks and practices of leeching off state and local assistance programs like foodstamps and health clinics, to avoid paying a living wage.

This is America's largest corporation today, our largest employer, a low-class, low-rent box store combining policies neither Orwell nor Dickens could have imagined. Give me the lively see-saw battle of a US auto manufacturer with it's worker union any day.

I'd pay more for products with conscious any day. Like green products, or sweat-shop free products. Or even Made in the USA products. But you won't - and that's our problem. Each Wal-Mart has 10,000 customers a day, uninformed, unenlightened and not giving a rat's tail about anything other then low price.

Which brings us to the subject of our mutual greed. The immigrants seek "a better life", but are actually quite happy on the sub-minimum wage off-the-books wages they earn doing backbreaking labor here illegally - it still beats the options back home. But the folks who hire them have a much deeper greed. They have more options - they could hire a licensed, insured, bonded, taxpaying landscaper, but are looking to save money, unmindful of their contribution in depressing American wages, exportation of US cash, and increasing the lure of other immigrants. Large corporations are complicit, with Tyson Foods, Smithfield and Swift Meats all enormous hirers of illegals, with half their plants staffed by undocumented workers. This amounts to millions and millions in saved wages, not only the lower pay they get away with, but they way this drives down legal workers' salaries.

So the deportation option is dumb and hollow without enforcement and fines for the corporations, businesses or employers of illegals. In combatting prostitution, going only after the hookers is a exercise in folly - they have little to lose in going for the gusto and hoping to get away unscathed. But start publishing the pictures of the johns in the paper, and you'll see the industry dry up overnight. But Republicans are as hooked on low wages and (artificially) increased productivity as Liberals are on providing social services and entitlements, effectively another example where the politicians are using taxpayer money to pocket private profit.

So like it or not, the immigrants are here, too many to be deported or even accurately counted. Some say the reason is because US policies in Mexico and Central America have made it unlivable there. That we'd be better off taking all the money we pay for social services and infrastructure here and invest it in those countries where the same money has much greater value to "keep the workers working over there, so they don't have to work over here". Specifically, giving jobs and livelihoods to women of child bearing age who would otherwise just keep cranking out pups (Honduras for example averages 4.4 children per woman).

The entire issue is all a smokescreen for the problem of overpopulation. The US is growing too fast, and in major part by immigrants because their home countries are too mobile. Without working economies and representative governments, poverty drives families to have more and more kids who try to come to the US.

Even in the so-called civilized USA, there is no awareness of the overpopulation problem, even though the average one-way commute is 45 minutes, with people camped inside idling cars in packed highways in every day. Though we are reminded our fertility rates are stable, almost every American city has outgrown it's infrastructure, water resources are getting more scarce and energy costs are slated to increase by 50% in coming years. Urban sprawl and overdevelopment has reached far into formerly outlying wildernesses and put identical shopping malls in every locality up and down the geography of our country. The Gap, Ladies Foot Locker, Dunkin Donuts up and down the longitude and latitude of the country that once was robust with diversity and small town charm. And if you think it's bad in the US, look at China where four times the population of the US is cramped into a country about the same geographic size as ours. This means there are more people of above average intelligence in China then there are people in the US. They've had population-control laws in place for over 25 years, mandating that families can only have one child. Do you think that would go over well here? India is surging as well, with engineering and business schools brimming with talent ready to inspect our CAT scans or handle our telemarketing for us.

America needs to seriously rethink it's family planning, economic values, infrastructure and job prospects for the future. In the US there is one birth every 8 seconds, one death every 13 seconds and one international migrant (net) every 27 seconds, meaning the US is gaining one person every 11 seconds, while our jobs are being continually shipped overseas or being replaced by automation. So families that have more then 2 children increase the overpopulation problem.

We are today the consumer and customer of the world, bred to buy and borrow and fattened up for the impending kill. Just like Halliburton has announced it will be moving it's HQ to Dubai, after receiving billions in contracts from American taxpayers, so too will we learn exactly how the multinational corporations have been playing us. With branches in more then one country, these massive international conglomerates can sell themselves goods at any price and choose which countries to pay their taxes in, moving assets about to avoid paying taxes altogether.
This is how this racket works, written by the former VP of Pfizer:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0611/S00390.htm

This is how much of various US industry is owned by foreign investment:
http://www.economyincrisis.org/content/ownership

What I hope we can all learn it is not the left or right allowing the immigrants in to depress American wages and take away jobs, it is the rich who benefit, helping to create the Two Americas concepts where a destitute slave class struggles to serve the feudal lords who own all the wealth. Even Ann Coulter affirms and celebrates this. Wake up and see how this land of Wal-Marts and cookie cutter malls are only taking good jobs away from locals and extracting profits off to another state or country. Your region is undoubtedly shipping off it's local revenue off to multinational corporations who have no allegiance to any country, only accumulation of wealth.

What would help? First creation of an American Union, similar to the EU which would create a representative council of nations from Canada to Chile and work to encourage curbing of population growth by any means that work, and cooperation on issues like agriculture, immigration and the environment. Unfortunately, US policy continues to exert political and economic control over many South American nations, installing puppet dictators in "banana republics" for decades, allegedly including more recently the black bag operations detailed in Confessions of an Economic Hit Man and A Game As Old As Empire. In the end, it all comes down to simple morality - if not for the pursuit of greed and wealth, people of the world might make headway in structuring alliances for mutual coexistence. But the lack of morality, particularly between the international corporations and their hired politicians in the U.S., we will continue to have the chaos in our cities and towns you all complain of.

As an international adoptive parent and inner city schoolteacher, I do my best to educate immigrant children (about 1/4 of the school) to assimilate, to become productive members of the country and the world. By and large, these kids are more studious then their native counterparts, complain less, get into trouble less and are less likely to be obese or from broken homes. Though I am not allowed to know their status, it's clear many are undocumented, but just like the Italian, Irish, Asian and European immigrants that came before them and are now ensconced in American society, they seem to appreciate the USA far more then the people who moan and complain but do not take an active role in politics or civic policy on any level. Please list what you are doing to help the situation so we can see who is part of the problem and who is actively exploring possible solutions.

where do they get the money?

It strikes me that all these small businesses that couldn't survive without paying substandard wages to illegal immigrants seem to have plenty of cash with which to lobby Congress. It also strikes me that if we legalize the current illegal immigrants, they will demand standard wages. These small businesses that depend on illegal immigrant labor have to be a fiction.

http://freedomistheanswer.blogspot.com/

Report critical of Bush

Report critical of Bush immigration record

Why would President Bush start enforcing immigration laws after a new bill when he is not doing it now?

CNN-WASHINGTON (AP) — Immigration arrests under President Bush are “stagnant and unimpressive” despite massive increases in Border Patrol agents and other immigration enforcement measures imposed since 2000, a report found.
Bush promoted border enforcement successes this week while pushing Congress for a comprehensive immigration policy overhaul. But the centrist private group Third Way questioned his record in a study released Thursday. It found that arrests and deportations are down almost 30 percent since the Clinton years.

“The decline in immigration enforcement has been steady, dramatic and long-standing,” said Jim Kessler, the group’s vice president for policy and a co-author of the report. “This may not be the cause of our illegal immigration crisis, but it has certainly contributed to it.”

READ MORE

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/report-critical-of-bush-immigration-record

Good Article Ann, but what about Dubya

This was one of your best articles and I agree with everything you said. The problem is what you left out.

There has been a large scale sell out by Republicans as well, starting with Dubya, who seems to worry more about Mexicans than Americans. The Bushites are selling this country on an international garage sale and this is one part of it. But then there is also Guliani and McCain. Bloomberg is a Republican too. To be a member of any political pary simply involves getting on the State Governments web site and clicking a radio button. That is how I dropped my membership in the Republican party and became an Independent.

If all Republicans wanted to enforce our borders, and only enforce our borders, I would still be a Republican. But Republicans like cheap labor too.

I think it is the Republicans who support amnesty that are the ones who want to import slave labor.

The motive of the Democrats is that they want to create a consituency for their welfare state obsessions. When Americans began to resent welfare programs, the Democrats decided to replace them with a new constituency that would support their socialist dementia.

The American system was so successful after WWII that the new dealers lost their energy. They want to destroy the middle class so they can resume their power hungry agenda. The Republicans (Bushite ones anyway) are biting the hand that fed them, because they are a bunch of mean spirited selfish pr@cks who resent the fact that other Americans had a piece of the action too.

For me, it is either Mitt Romney, Fred Thompson, Tancreto or no one! NO AMNESTY!!

John Konop

We had no choice with GWB. No one thought he was conservative before he got elected the first time. He was only, as usual, better than the alternative (one of which was McCain).

He didn't even pretend to be conservative. He has done some good things when he chooses to lean conservative but every good thing is about to be wiped out with immigration.

I pray for GWB because I don't walk in his shoes & know there must be gut wrenching concessions sometimes for the greater good. Being on the outside of politics, I firmly believe there are still many concessions that should never, ever be made. We are discussing one of them here today.

George has crossed the line. I believe he is a decent man but an average leader. Remembering the Republican revolution of 1994 - that is when we had Newt being an awakened lion holding firm to what was right and decent. He was sacrificed for doing nothing more than has been done at least twice since by CURRENT members of congress.

I long for a lion that stands tall in the face of all comers. Someone who got elected because he or she was honest and really is conservative. The icing on the cake would be if if was a minority person. My heart soars when I see another black man stand for conservative values after coming from generations of "close your eyes, pull the voting lever for straight democrat party, and wait for the candy to drop from the federal goodybag".

So much good stuff

Ok - lets make a law that illegals will be considered illegal.

Done.

Ok - lets make a law that says people doing illegal things are lawbreakers.

Considering.

Ok - lets give people jobs, healthcare, and free legal protection for breaking the law.

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.............it feels so good and there are always towels in my hotel room. MMMMMMMMMMMMMMM...............

Isn't the next logical step finally shutting down one gov't institution? Shouldn't ICE, INS, whatever be irrelevant if this abortion of an immigration bill passes?

I see a vision of the future. A red carpet all the way from Acapulco to LA. Beautiful taxpayer funded fountains and rest stops along the way. A true utopia. Wheelchair accessible illegal immigration.

Good job you sell out, corrupt, worthless politicians (gotta keep it nice).

On another thread at TH people were upset the Reps were asked about evolution since it was a loaded question. Like trying to figure out what candidates actually believe vs the filthy garbage they say just to get elected.

How many big cities in America don't have a liberal minority mayor 90% of the time? Is it 2 or 3? Its because so few decent people want to be associated with the lying and filth politicians have to engage in to get elected. White people like Bill Clinton use the system to be able to forgo ever having to work as it would have gotten in the way of his gaining power and enhancing his chances for liasons with willing and unwilling concubines, which we all know Hillary is perfectly ok with and is EMPOWERED as a woman by.

My hair is too long according to my wife. Time for a $20 hair cut. That equates to about $400 in tomorrow's after tax value thanks to swindling , law abusing shyster attorneys like John (I'll sue for anything if there is a paycheck in it) Edwards.

What qualities to liberals possess. They are much better liers and proud of it. Its for our own good, isn't it.

Ok - some of it is out of my system. Not much, but some.

AAARRRRGGGGGHhhhhh

Ann's problem

I love the way Ann blames the wealthy and the liberals, and the "elite." Like this woman is not wealthy or part of the elite. And I love the way she compares the Mexicans crossing the border illegally to rapists. Good way to win an arguement there Ann. Also if anybody wants evidence of the racism rampant in the Republcian party, they need to come read the comments on these sites.

It would be easier

to deport all the illegals than to read all of these comments, so it would be hard to not be repeating some. If we make it inconvenient for an illegal to live here, they wiil leave, and maybe go home and make their own country a good place to live. We could even give them a hand, or a foot. How about not letting them buy alcohol. Are they not required to show an IDn to buy alcohol? Where the ()#!! do theyn get their's. I went through all kinds of ()#!! getting my DL renewed because the woman at the DL office could not read my SS# at a glance. I gotta go throw up.

Tax Slavery

When Mr. Chertov let the cat out of the bag, in saying "We need taxpayers to support all the retiring baby-boomers."

I have been concerned for my children and grand-children for some time. Looking at the figures on future tax rates, I've felt that they will have less freedom than we enjoy and will be fundamentally beasts of burden, bearing governmental policies on taxes, self-expression, bent beneath legislative excess, executive indifference, an judicial activism.

I am 60 years old, disabled and supported by my hard working wife who loves me very much. Her retirement plan is with a state fund. THIS I BELIEVE MOST STRONGLY, I REFUSE TO PUT MY LOVED ONES IN THIS POSITION. If this is so, let me say that I reject the enslavement of any other "group" to 'cover' shortfalls in the governmental program that will not be reformed.

Stop slavery now.FtA

Teh Employers

We don't have to deport illegal aliens.

It's been said in so many previous posts--in response to Ann's essay, and to previous essays:

If there are no jobs for illegal aliens, the illegal aliens will leave of their own volition.

Crack down on the employers of illegal aliens. That is the key. That is Occam's Razor.

You Go Girl!

Way to go Ann. Right on as usual.

Be sure and record the vote on the Immigration Bill for future reference. My bet is that at least 90% of every Republican Senator or Representative that votes for this bill will not be re-elected. Congress has just not figure it out that America is mad as Hell and do not trust them to make the laws for the rest of us!!!

RR

MyOpine

Do you really think Cheney would stand a chance? More people associate HIM with the Iraq war, Halliburton, Gitmo, torture, etc., than I think they do Bush.

I think he would be flattened like a pancake.

Lynne, MyOpine, et. al ...

The illegal invaders have their own vehicles now (remember all the DUI, hit-and-run illegals?), so they can drive themselves back to Mexico. Cut out the freebies. Adios.

DUI illegal...
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55440

Charlie, La Raza won't waste their time and energy "debating about deporting us," and they won't worry about being fair.
*****
If this bill passes, our teachers will be required to take 300 hours of ESL (English as a Second Language).

American college students will have to learn Spanish, so that they can apply for jobs that illegals will refuse.

*****
US SENATORS - use toll free number: 866-340-9281
Toll Free Congressional switchboard: 1-800-862-5530 or 202-224-3121

don't get me wrong..

you liberals who sneak a peek at this column (but you will anyway).

If Hitler was able to identify and round up millions of Jews, Poles, Slovaks, and Gypsies with the paper and pencil bureaucracy of 70 years ago, why is it impossible for the US Government to identify and roundup 12 million illegals with modern computers capable of cross-matching billions of records from all agencies, hospitals, and schools?

Dying at the Border

Bush Administration, Dying at the Border

This is from “Skeptical Economist”. This is the one of the best articles I have ever read on economics and illegal immigration.

It is no secret that the Bush administration is failing and failing badly. The woes of the administration are legion, Iraq, immigration, the economy, Katrina, health care, gasoline prices, etc. The impact on public opinion is profound. Bush is well on his way to being one of the least popular presidents in U.S. history. His current popularity rating of 31% may be a high water mark. The twenties and perhaps teens are not that far off. Increasingly he has lost, not just liberals and mainstream Americans, but conservatives as well. The key question is why? Why has this once promising administration gone downhill so far and so fast? Is it just bad luck or is their a deeper force at work? In my view, the ideology and practice of Open Borders has condemned this president to complete failure. Could the Bush administration turn itself around by changing its stance on immigration? Yes, but it is exceedingly unlikely to happen. Bush is doomed and may not finish his term in office.

READ MORE

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/bush-administration-dying-at-the-border

Thanks for listening

On BBCs Question Time tonight, I heard the following (it's in the first 5 minutes of the programme - try the link)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/question_time/default.stm

Q: Does yesterday's news of terror suspects absconding not prove that Britain needs to put national security ahead of the human rights act?

In response, Michael Hesletine (Conservative MP) provided a considered and measured analysis relating to security, the European Court of Human Rights and a critique of the effectiveness of control orders.


Here's what Bob Crow of the RMT Union had to say:

We all totally deplore terrorism ... by the same token we have got to look at the human right issue ...

Then, intellectually incapable of providing an analysis of the situation, he instead launched into an attack on the Thatcher government, comparing its handling of the miners strike with the way East Europeans were treated by their governments during the Cold War!!!

Presumably he is referring to the Gulag that Thatcher threw the miners in!

This is why I listen to conservative talk radio on townhall.com. The BBC is bad for my blood pressure!!!

Jobe

Your careful reading no doubt picked up the specific references to "Ted Kennedy", "Liberals", and "Democrats" singled out by Ms. Coulter as being responsible for the immigration bill, and you certainly could not have missed the fact that Ms. Coulter studiously avoided any reference to "Trent Lott" (or any of the many other Republican senators who sponsored or support the bill), "Conservatives", or "Republicans." As the old saying goes, sometimes its not what you say that counts--its what you don't say.

Maths & Science

I agree with your point about math and science.
I sometimes think that our youth are not being taught the economic facts of life at a young enough age.

Before any kids are shown Al Gore's horror movie "Waterworld" or whatever it's called, they should first be taught about infrastructure.

You know - running water, lighting, heating etc.
They should be taught about shipping, and oil exploration, and food storage and all the industrial processes that go on in the background to provide them with such a comfortable life (for the vast majority of people in any case).

They should be taught all of this before they are taught all that crap about how capitalism is destroying the world!


On another note - or what really gets my goat:

In the UK the latest problem we have is a "deprived" underclass that beats people up and FILMS the beating on video mobile phones!!!

Unbelievable. What do you mean deprived?

People like this take advantage of all the factory workers who put in long hours to build the mobile phones, and all the graduates who bothered to learn Maxwell's equations so they might have a chance at understanding how electromagnetic signals are transmitted.

People like this don't deserve video phones.

They don't even deserve running water. They should be chucked into a C130 and parachuted over Afghanistan to see how the other half live.

A Real Conservative Party.

Ladies and Gentlemen:

The immigration bill, the hate crimes legislation, the law of the seas (Phylis Schaffely has written on this several time in the past few week with very little response). It is all linked together and is heading the same way organized by the same people.

What does it take to establish a true conservative party? There appears to be a number of fabulously wealthy men (e.g. Soros & Bloomberg) who are willing to finance the promotion of socialist government. Are there no wealthy men who will throw their weight and treasure for capitalism and constitutional government? If you have political capital you burn it on worthwhile causes. If you have fabulous wealth now is the time to use it for the promotion of capitalism and our constitutional government?

As to the rest of us… are we old and retired with little left in us but to follow TH? Or are we too busy working to keep body and soul together and pay the bills?

How do we do it?

I’d like to stay and follow this thread but I must go to work. (I answered half of my question.) If I’m still standing I’ll check back at 11:00

Bigmick

My name gives you a clue ...

I have just been listening to Dennis Prager's arguments about immigration (Monday Prager H3).

It's an interesting argument he makes ...

Bring back the ability to secede

As the democrats reclaim there slave heritage is it not possible for the south to secede and close its border? Having been taught the lesson of slavery from big yanks with lots of big guns we really don’t need that retribution and vulnerability all over again—do we?

nastiman - 7:47 PM entry

Bulls eye. Absolutely dead center.

But be careful... your wisdom is showing.

It still boggles my mind how many people fell for the lie that the minimum wage is a "living" wage and not the ENTRY-level wage that it is.

And how many people that don't realize - that by raising the minimum wage, they just socked it to the ones who most desperately need the job and the training... the inner-city black teenager.

Disguisting.

The end of America as we know it

Having taught (conservative) history and politics for 30+ years in a Long Island public high school and being witness, but not a party to, the indoctrination known as "multi-culturalism" (diversity) in our public education system I have come to the inescapable conclusion that this ongoing balkanization is destroying this once great country.

Assimilation, the melting pot, if you will is dead and its death ultimately means the death of what "America" once represented. The sickening emphasis on ethnic identity, misplaced compassion for people invading our nation, political correctness, religious, racial, sexual and ethnic enclaves and a total lack of conviction and courage by our elected representatives portends the end of a once great nation. Whether we speak of the war against Islamofacism, immigration, abortion, taxes, et.al., everything is seen through the ugly prism of some hyphenated group (African-American, Gay-American, Mexican-American,Islamic-Americans, etc.). Everybody has a grievance to bear and it is usaully claimed that the roots of those grievances rest in that group's historic victimization by, of courses, the white man and Anglo culture.

Now, once more the feckless politicians in D.C. are again trying to pull more wool over our eyes and even if they fail with this bill they will not stop in their efforts to permit the slow death of "Americanism."

By choice, my wife and I opted not to have children and I know that I denied myself a certain amount of self-fufillment by doing so, however when I see where this country is headed and how quickly we are going there I also feel that I've made a wise choice. 30+ years from now this country will no longer be recognizable as the United States I grew up in. This trend began with the inception of the USA as a welfare state and has grown and permeated every aspect of our culture and it sickens me.

Mr. Lincoln said it best: "Whence shall we expect the approach of danger? Shall some trans-Atlantic giant step the earth and crush us at a blow? Never!...If destruction be our lot we ourselves must be its author. As a nation of free men we will live forever or die by suicide." We are witness to a suicide.

Ahem!

Why not have an exchange scheme? Michael Moore can live in Cuba, a Cuban refugee can live in the UK, and I get to live in the US of A.

That way, everyone is happy!

joke

knock knock whos there a skilled worker can i come in before u build a fence.no, got enough but at least u asked.

patches patches patches

Whoaaaa Patches! "If we FORCED American companies to come back to America"? You sound like Hillary with her "I would TAKE those profits", referring to the money EARNED by oil companies, or her statement to a roomful of wealthy democat donors "we will take those tax reductions back FOR THE GREATER GOOD" My Lord man, those two statements, and yours also, are right out of Lenins book.

Why the madness festers

It all goes back to... this: http://www.eagleforum.org/topics/NAU/

It's the only thing that makes sense to me logically, even if at first it makes you think "huh?? No way." It's well researched and has clear evidence. If we build a fence (which is easy, and not too expensive if you compare it to say, education, which won't exist if we're all dead anyway from a terrorist nuke being "smuggled" over the boarder) it'd ruin this NAU plan.

more

if we just inforced our laws now we wouldnt even be talking about this. thats whats the real problem.why even have laws if we dont enforce them.

thinker

I'm not surprised. The hispanics do not put an emphasis on education (en masse) as other races do. My parents, Dad especially, was kicking that A** for ANYTHING under a B and he even freaked over B's! His question was always, "If you can make a B why not an A?"

Indeed, the Asians put the rest of us to shame but for hispanics, school simply sucks. I've seen this when I was working out in AZ/NM.

immagration

mexicans dont do jobs americans wont do.they do jobs we wont do 4 3dollars an hour. for all the money they pay in taxes,its sucked out in welfareand our prison systems.its not 4 mexecins do decide how many come here its 4 us.if we just had mexicos immagration policy they wouldnt be here. there are hugarians,africans,poloish,french,chinees,koreans,tons of people who cant come here because of mexicans.its not 4 them 2 decidec who comes.just because u share a border with us gives u no right to come here.bottem line they want to breed us out and take huge parts of this nation back.millions already look at mexico as there true nation with no thoughs of assemelating.i undestand they come because there starving. to bad there are tons of americans starving they should come first. mexicans should try to fix there own country instead of ruining ours.

Our mission

is to keep the issue "HOT!" Badgering the pols and law enforcement to do their d*mn jobs and uphold their oath of office will result in more of this!

http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-may2307-illegal_immigrants.33e1b10.html

Lolo

I hear you and agree. Our crop of gutless politicians are afraid to stand up and say what they believe in for fear of: ACLU, Code Pink, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, La Raza, ATZLAN, etc, etc.

MyOpine

Don't get me going about SS! FDR himself said that SS would one day have to be privatized but the liberals hijacked that free omoney and ran with it! I know that The Goreacle owes me a few IOU's in that SS lockbox!

Ann doesn't know how right she is!

We had an artificial turf lawn put in this week that cost a minor fortune. The company and salesman were all white. The workers however were straight from Mexico. It broke my heart when I found out how much they were making for that back breaking labor. Needless to say I encouraged those men to demand more money and explained to them that no other race in America would tolerate that low pay. We had quite a conversation about how to undertake this. I also encouraged them to get their fellow Hispanics to start demanding more money. This has a two fold purpose. If they make more money it is less they take in social services. If they demand more money en masse you will be amazed how quick that border will close. Money is the key motivator for people on both sides of the issue. Both want to exploit for personal gain, and we the law abiding tax paying citizens get the shaft.

Lolo

Agreed on the cheap labor in the short run but in the long run, it's killing us. WTF does THAT say for the politicians and business leaders who are supossed to be running the show!

GunnyG and poot

GunnyG: I read the WSJ everyday and they have been out to luch on this issue for a long, long time. They take this position because they want cheap labor and it does a end run around the unions.

poot: ON THE MONEY! This is what I have been saying for a long time. The Silent Majority can no longer afford to be silent since most issues get decided before they ever see the ballot box.

To GunnyG

What the WSJ is missing is that welfare and food stamps are State programs and elligability depends on the State. My State dos not allow illegals to draw welfare and food stamps, but that doesn't necessarily follow for other more liberal States. As for the "rent" argument one house being rented will house at least 4 mexican families. So I wonder at how much school taxes are paid.

Take back your country

Boys & Girls, I hate to be the party-pooper here, but this is a country of the people, for the people and by the people. If you're sitting on the sidelines and not taking action, then you're part of the problem. You are allowing your country to be taken in a direction that you abhore.

Have you gotten involved in your local political party activities? Do you vote in primaries? Are you doing everything you can do to affect the changes that we all see are necessary? This is not a spectator sport and I know we all work very hard for a living and all, but this is important. We're talking about the survival of our nation.

I don't have a problem with Mexican people or Brown-skinned people, or whatever. What I have a problem with is unfettered access to our country with no safeguards that the people streaming in are not here to destroy us. The USA as enemies all over the world and to leave the front door open for anyone and everyone to come across our border at will is suicide.

The solution is simple, but not easy. We have to overtake the political-elite class in our country the only legal and non-violent way available. The remedy is right before us; we just have to get off our behinds and fight for our survival. If the liberal vermin in this country can take control of the government, the media, hollywood, and our universities, we have to be willing to do the heavy lifting to take it back.

Whining and complaining won't get it done. Contact your local political delegation and get involved. Affect change. Make your voice heard. Calling Congress and the President is a good way to make yourself feel good and might make a slight difference in one issue at a time, but what we need is wholesale change. We need to purge the political class of the sell-outs who have taken it over. Nothing short of this will put this country on the right path. Oh, yeah, get involved with your kids' educational system too. We need an educated populace to make informed decisions or we'll continue slouching toward Gamora, as Judge Bork once wrote.

To SSGTRET

I took it as a bad pun, no offense intended.

Low wages in Utah

I agree, Utah's unemployment is very low...last management meeting I was in, it was reported at 2.2%, the lowest since the Great Depression. And because of that, there should not be a "minimum wage" class of worker in this state. Most of these companies would need to compete for labor...hence paying much better than minimum wage for these jobs. Along with hiring incentives even for unskilled labor...my company is offering finders fees for employees finding housekeepers. But the company will hire only legal workers, both citizens and green card holders...as long as they are legal. Oh yes, the housekeeping jobs are 3 to 4 dollars an hour higher than minimum wage.

Here in Utah, if there was no way employers could hire illegals, everyone, including your daughter, would have a higher standard of living. And don't bring up the idea this would drive companies out of business, because there are virtually no companies in Utah that are not making a ton of money. This economy is probably the best in the nation.

Excellent

Excellent article. Isn't it amazing that when chambermaids and bellhops were all legal citizens that I could rent a hotel room in downtown San Francisco for $31 a night. Granted, this was 1974 but it was still a Hyatt. What does this same Hyatt cost today for a single night? Over $200? This must be the result of hiring cheaper labor.

Coulter

COulter writes "..I keep hearing they are Catholic..."

(shakes head in disgust)

Many of these human beings are Christian. Let me say that again, CHRISTIAN!

COulter writes

"The jejune fact that we "can't deport them all" is supposed to lead ineluctably to the conclusion that we must grant amnesty to illegal aliens -- and fast!"

I like "jejune" and "ineluctable" now those are words!, Hopefuly more people will use them.

But despite the truly elegant language that sentence is just loaded with a massive strawman.

I would modify the statement to

The fact that is is the right thing do leads to the conclusion that we must do it.


I havent heard Bush or any members of COngress say the reason why we must give them a path to citizenship is because we cant round them all up.

But, I dont have access to Lexis Nexis, feel free to use it and tell us who is using that reasoning that you sort of assign to the general ether. By the way a good word to use when you want to assign something to the general ether is "presumably"

Life really is like South Park

Ann's article really reminds me of the "Goobacks" episode of South Park. In it, a bunch of illegal immigrants from the distant future travel back in time and are willing to work for virtually nothing. The liberal class of South Park at first defend their rights (such as Randy the geologist, Stan's dad) until their jobs are taken by the immigrants. Good stuff.

Ann

Jejune? I had to look that one up. Well, Ann, take comfort in the fact that our golf courses will be nice and green. That will replace the green that will come from our wallets.

In a nut-shell

Well said Sir! Sour the milk of the tit that the illegals suckle from and they will ween themselves!

Well written Ann,

To expand on one of your points, we don't need to “deport them all.” All we need to do is;

* Outlaw Sanctuary cities (no more safe havens)
* Deny all social service benefits to illegals (no more cash, food or medical assistance)
* Deny citizenship to children born in the US who do not have US citizens as parents
* Make it a crime to rent to an illegal (no more roof to live under)
* Make it a crime to do financial business with illegals (see Bank of America)
* Make the penalties for employing illegals more severe
* Mandate local law enforcement to detain and turn over to INS any illegal they encounter
* Aggressively enforce the laws on the books that illegals already violate to get and stay here

If we act to limit what benefits and rewards the illegal aliens can get once they are here and they start to see us rounding up illegals they will eventually self deport.

If they truly wish to immigrate, assimilate, and become citizens of the U.S. there is a process they can and should follow.

Add the above list securing the borderwith a fence or barrier of some type and hiring more border patrol agents/officers (instead of jailing them for doing their jobs) and it sounds like a pretty “comprehensive” plan to me.

Sour the milk of the tit that the illegals suckle from and they will ween themselves!

utahnotmormon

You are a very sad case. Making allegations such as these shows only one thing you have your head up your @$$. Since my whole family has at one time or another worked for minimum wage or less. It would make sense to conclude you must be the one on meth or be an alchoholic. You also say americans are lazy. I believe my daughter would disagree with your statements. You see she started working when she was 14 for less then minimum wage, with all the money she saved bought a car and paid for the insurance at 16 and working for just minimum wage, still going to school holding an A average, graduated with honors early at 17 half way through her senior year, became the manager where she worked. She worked doing that for a while, but then a few months after 9-11-2001 she joined the military. She continued with her education, taking classes on line and studing when she had a little time, she has also gotten many differant merits and awards, such as Airman of The Year and was awarded the rank of Staff Sergeant six months before she was Honorably Discharged. She continued her schooling got her degree and is now going to grad school. So I do believe she would take exception to your position as I do.

No, no, no.....

I'm an 'average, natural-born American Citizen' and I've had just about enough of the 'you're a racist' line being trotted out, every time there is an issue that affects minorities. I'm not, and as far as I'm concerned, that button has been pushed one too many times. When I hear that line, I now wonder - what are this person / this group / trying to get from me?

At this point - all that I'm willing to accept from Congress, is a bill that tells all the illegal's to go home, and to re-apply - legally. Put the National Guard on the border with instruction to turn anyone back who tries to cross illegally - right then, right there - no hearings, no 'catch and releas' with promises to 'appear' ... they simply return to their home. Give all the illegal's within our country 120 days to leave - after that, it's extremely heavy fines for those who employ them - perhaps even to the point of enacting seizure laws. And for those who call this 'impractical - how are you going to remove 12+ million people?' -- to them I say --- how did they manage to get here in the first place? Let them return the same way they got here. For those who whine 'you can't break up familes ... what about the anchor babies' ... take 'em with you, because we're going to make Congress enact enact a 'no citizenship rights for those who were born to parents of illegal aleins' bill anyway.

I don't want the message sent from our country to the rest of the world -- 'hey, you can break the law getting in here ... don't worry about it, we don't really enforce them anyway ... and we're so weak about it, we'll eventually reward you with a path to citizenship.'

Instead of running out a whole new bill ... why not just enforce the law from the 1986 bill ... you know, the one that was supposed to be THIS IS THE ONE AND ONLY TIME AMNESTY bill? Put the security provisions and employer consequences of that bill to work ... right now. Its LAW ... enforce it...!!!! No more new laws ... until the ones in place are enforced FIRST.

The next argument will be 'what about the economics -- who's going to pick the produce? Haul the bricks? Make the beds?' To that I say --- let the good old 'free market' decide that. If it takes paying someone $20 and hour to pick fruit... then it takes $20/hr ... if it takes $18/hr for someone to make beds... then either pay someone $18/hr to make the beds... or let 'em go unmade...! (As a side note... perhaps Paris Hilton's punishment should be to have to make all the beds in her hotels for 10 weeks ... good 'ol fashioned hard work might make a new girl out of her.)

Congress seems to be happy with just sitting back and letting 'market forces' drive up gasoline prices to back-breaking highs ... why can't they let the same thing happen for every market? You don't seem too concerned about the impact on MY bottom line, when the gas prices jump 10 - 20 - 30+ cents a gallon every week. Why are Congress and the President so concerned about businesses 'bottom line' all the time?

Next point: I'm sure there are plenty of big businesses who LOVE the cheap wages ... and so long as the economy seems to be moving along --- that's great. But, what if we legalize 12M+ people, give them total citizenship rights ... and we have a serious downturn in the economy? What if we shoot up to 10-15% unemployment? Who's going to pay all those 'entitlement' bills (food stamps. Medicare, Social Security... etc.) that will suddenly start pouring in? Those Big Businesses who profited from cheap labor...? Hardly. It's going to fall on the backs of the Average American Citizen. We'll have to foot the bill. And how will that hapen... well, all those 12+M new voters are going to demand their representatives give it to them - after all, they suffered so much being second-class citizens for being bed-makers, brick-haulers, and fruit-pickers --- that the rest of the U.S. population 'owes' them. If you don;t think that's not coming ... you're living in fantasyland.

Congress needs to wake up ... because the 'special interests groups' don't vote them in ... the 'Average American Citizen' does. Congress needs to stop focusing on the top 15% and bottom 15% of wage earners in this country --- and start focusing on the middle 70%. We're watching Congress ... and were getting mad as hell - and aren't going to take it anymore.

Another note slightly off-topic (but not by much)-- the same goes for H-1B increases. No more new people in, until all AMERICAN CITIZENS have been giving the opportunity to attend college ... with a 'G.I. bill' for those who can't afford it. No more outsourcing of American Jobs ... I'm tired of hearing about 'realities of globalization' from people who do nothing but profit from living in the U.S. ...and then have the nerve to disparage hard-working American Workers who want nothing more then a fair share of the profits of the companies who gain by their talents. This is all nothing but a smoke-screen used by corporations to justify driving down wages --- both in this Amnesty Bill, and these H-1B visa programs. Corporate America, the last time I looked ... seems to be doing quite well - profit-wise. It's time for Congress to step in and make sure Corporate America, are being good community citizens.

jimbo

I'd use my VACATION time to DRIVE the BUS! As long as my CCW is recognized from start to finish, I'd down with it.

Busses

Ray Nagin has enough unused school busses in New Orleans to transport LOTS of illegals home.

The elected elite believe it's too expensive to deport them all? Tell you what; I'll personally sponsor removal of one entire family of illegals. Get rid of them all and my taxes and insurance should go down a measurable amount - I'll eventually make my money back.

It's easy to be altruistic

Amen! This point has been a long time coming. Throw this into the face of every race card playing liberal you come across. Northeastern liberals get offended any time they see a new member at their country club that didn’t come from old money. Can you imagine the tantrum they’d have if it were their precious enclaves that were inundated with a bunch of illegal immigrants that can’t speak a lick of English? This issue is no different than school bussing in that liberals get to feel altruistic and compassionate while wrecking other people's communities.

Bush?

My only question concerns why doesn't Ann rail on the traitorous Bush who is blood brother to Ted Kennedy. This is a Bush sponsored I bill.

Good point Lynne

The 1986 amnesty was based on the fact that the US "was unable to round up and deport" the 3 million illegal aliens then estimated inside its borders.

As I said before (on another page addressing the now-disguised amnesty), could someone please explain to me how the following could occur--with MUCH WORSE transportation systems than were THEN (let alone now) existing in US:
(1) during Partition, 7 million Muslims went from India to Pakistan and 6 million Hindus/Sikhs from Pakistan to India
(2) in 1971, over 10 million refugees went into India from East Pakistan (of which 9 million returned to their homes in newly-independent Bangladesh in 1972)

Till I get an answer to those questions, the idea that it is "impossible" to round up and deport the illegals from the US should be silenced!

Say it AGAIN AND AGAIN......!

To TheEruditeEarlobe,

Welcome to AMERICA, and thank you for you and your families loyality to this country that has opened it's doors to you and all other LEGAl immigrants who applied and entered this country legally. You were not looked upon as a vote to be bought or as a cheap source of labor, but as a family that would contribute to the wealth of this ONCE great nation. I would like to apologize to you and all other LEGAL IMMIGRANTS who went throught the pain staking process of entering this country legally. I would also like to apologize for the corrupt government we now have governing this ONCE great nation.
It is sad to think that these so called leaders in Washington would work to sponser this type of legislation to ruin this great nation so that they can gather the votes they need to stay in office (TERM LIMITS NOW), and so that they and their biggest contributors to their campaigns for office can have their cheap labor. Again please accept my appologies for the way this government is slapping you in the face and the way they are treating you and all the other legal immigrants who worked hard to enter this country legally and have amde contributions to this country.
For all you PRO amnesty government officals out there who are supporting this legislation for AMNESTY for these ILLEGAL LAW BREAKING IMMIGRANTS, we are watching YOU very closely and will remember who you are and what you have done to conspire aginst the will of the people who put you in office to begin with. Prepare to reap the whirl-wind for your actions. Don't think the LEGAL voters of this nation will forget because we won't, I PROMISE you that.

For the libs

I know that you whiny limp noodles will start showing up around noon when you roll out of the rack, so here is something for you to examine before you try and rebut Ann.

http://www.10news.com/news/9620142/detail.html

To Liberty

Probably for the same reason that 56 RINOs voted for it with their Democrap brethren.

Eisenhower

Eisenhower found and deported over 1 million illegals long before computer databases existed to track them. Our leaders don't have the guts and most conservative republican talking heads on tv are in favor of amnesty for their landscapers, maids, laborors and servants - LIBERALS ARE OUT TO DESTROY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY with this bill. Sorry Ann you got it wrong but your on the right track (of course).

funny part

The funny part is listening to the media and the washington crowd (pundits and pols) say that if your against this your a racist. Also as ann said they argue that people against this expect 12 million ( or whatever) to be deported. When illegals are pulled over - no licence - no reg - maybe drinking , and all they have to do is speak spainish and they are let go because most small towns dont have interpreters. I see a big problem. As i understand it 25 people a day in the usa are killed by illegals in some way or another. Lets not bring that up though.

Imagine....

Millions of citizens who wrote their elected officials telling them they would no longer file an income tax return if amnesty is given...and living up to their words.

Imagine millions of loyal american that were willing to endure the personal sacrifice and possible imprisonment if our elected officials voted for any proposal other than deportation and enforcement of existing laws.

Gandi and Dr. King taught us that peaceful, non-violent demonstration and personal sacrifice is what it takes to effect political change. I ask you, is it any wonder that the only voices being heard are those that are marching in the streets, demanding what they are not entitled to?

Unfortunatley, most citizens would rather take on the role of "the armchair quarterback", posting meaningless drival in a virtual arena, rather than standing up for our nation and our future generations.

Publicly state that you will no longer file an income tax return, send it to congress, the house, your local rep's and then pass your message along.

Finally - Stick to it and not file - and be willing to defend yourself in a court of law.

Where are our Patrick Henry's of the day?

KJV

I went to Navy bootcamp at Orlando, so I guess that's why I had to look it up. hey, but I live in S.C. now so maybe I should have known?