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Wednesday, April 11, 2007
Ann Coulter :: Townhall.com Columnist
Ho Ho Ho, Merry Imus!
by Ann Coulter
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The only person happier than Larry Birkhead about the big announcement that he is the father of Anna Nicole Smith's baby is Don Imus. By the way, what's the word for a woman who gives birth to a child of uncertain paternity?

English speakers in America need a rule book to tell us what people can say what words when, and under which set of circumstances. The rule book will be longer than the Patriot Act and will require weekly updates as new words and circumstances are added. Perhaps a Nasdaq-style ticker would be more efficient.

Depending on which TV show you tune into, what Imus said was wrong because: (1) His show goes out on FCC-regulated airwaves; (2) he regularly interviews people like Sens. John Kerry, John McCain and Joe Biden; (3) he spoke at the White House Correspondents' Dinner a few years ago; or (4) he's not black.

Perhaps sensing that such constantly scrolling rules have a whiff of fascism about them, the scowling Miss Grundys of the world think they have hit on the perfect omnibus rule. They instruct us to "be nice." (There's a word for the grim Miss Grundys, but apparently I'm not allowed to use it. Sarah Silverman is. This will be all in the rule book.)

The requirement to always "be nice" would be the end of Chris Rock and Dave Chappelle, two of the funniest comedians in America. Let me rephrase that: It would be the end of all humor. Even Bob Hope cruelly implied that Democrats didn't support the troops when he joked to the troops in Vietnam: "The country is behind you 50 percent."

At least we'll still be able to watch the "Charlie Rose" show! Actually, for all anyone knows, Rose is calling women "nappy-headed hos" on TV every night since no one has ever seen his show.

In addition to ending all humor, we'll lose all political debate. For Americans over 4 years old, people in the public sphere are engaged in serious arguments -- over abortion, illegal immigration, how much money the government takes from you, and the pre-eminent battle of our time against Islamic fascists. The "be nice" admonition is the sort of thing stupid girls say when they can't think of anything substantive to say.

I, for one, promise to implement the "be nice" policy just as soon as the other side surrenders.

Say, does anyone remember if Winston Churchill was "nice" in his public pronouncements about Hitler? Was he even nice to his fellow countrymen with whom he disagreed?

No, I don't think he was! This is what Winston Churchill said about the Labor Party's Ramsay MacDonald:

"I remember when I was a child, being taken to the celebrated Barnum's Circus, which contained an exhibition of freaks and monstrosities, but the exhibit on the program which I most desired to see was the one described as 'The Boneless Wonder.' My parents judged that the spectacle would be too demoralizing and revolting for my youthful eye, and I have waited 50 years to see The Boneless Wonder sitting on the Treasury Bench."

And guess what public figure was constantly accused of making "outrageous" remarks, trading in "insults, trashings and character assassinations"? Of what public figure was it asked: "Who can examine this record of insults and say that here is a man of class?"

That's right: Ronald Reagan. Those particular quotes are from Washington Post columnists Richard Cohen and Colman McCarthy.

Was Reagan "nice" to the Soviets? They certainly didn't think so. The Soviets constantly denounced Reagan as "rude," and our dear friends at the BBC upbraided Reagan for his "rude attacks" on Fidel Castro, Nicaragua and the Soviet Union. Post columnist McCarthy indignantly charged that Reagan had "put down an entire nation -- the Soviet Union -- by calling it 'the focus of evil in the nuclear world.'"

Oh dear! Reagan wasn't "nice." No wonder he never accomplished anything.

One more item for the delusional Miss Grundys still obtusely citing Reagan as their model of "niceness": As governor of California, Reagan gave student protesters at Berkeley the finger. Remember that next time you ask yourself: "What would Reagan do?"

People who are afraid of ideas whitewash Reagan like they whitewash Jesus. Sorry to break it to you, but the Reagan era did not consist of eight years of Reagan joking about his naps.

The reason people don't like what Imus said was because the women on the Rutgers basketball team aren't engaged in public discourse. They're not public figures, they don't have a forum, they aren't trying to influence public policy.

They play basketball -- quite well, apparently -- and did nothing to bring on an attack on their looks or character. It's not the words Imus used: It would be just as bad if he had simply said the Rutgers women were ugly and loose.

People claim to object to the words alone, but that's because everyone is trying to fit this incident into a PC worldview. It's like girls who say, "It's not that you cheated on me; it's that you lied about it." No -- it's that you cheated.

If Imus had called me a "towheaded ho" or Al Sharpton a "nappy-headed ho," it would be what's known as "funny." (And if he called Anna Nicole Smith a "flaxen-headed ho," it would be "absolutely accurate.") But he attacked the looks and morals of utterly innocent women, who had done nothing to inject themselves into public debate.

Imus should apologize to the Rutgers women -- and those women alone -- send them flowers, and stop kissing Al Sharpton's ring.

This wasn't an insult to all mankind, and certainly not an insult to Al Sharpton. Now, if Imus had called the basketball players "fat, race-baiting black men with clownish hairstyles," well, then perhaps Sharpton would be owed an apology.

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Well Said, Ann!
We have freedom of thought and freedom of speech in America, and if public censure is due, then let's have at it.

The government however, and government representatives by extension, may not infringe on our right to speak freely, to make asse$ out of ourselves and to censure one another in public and private.


COULD'NT HAVE HAPPENED TO A NICER GUY
For the past few days or so, I have enjoyed with forbidden glee the trials of Imus at the hands of the new Inquisition and his roasting at the hands of the new Torquemada, Al Sharpton.The Al Sharpton of Tawana Brawley fame. The paid government informant. The man who incited the Freddy's Fashion Mart massacre. The Al Sharpton who incited the Crown Heights pogrom. The one who had his investigation of questionable campaign expenses quashed.
So now instead of being shown the instruments of their torture as was fashion in the middle ages, the idea of going into a sound studio to be interrogated by some race p$mp is now going to be the modus operandi of this new inquisition.
Yes, Imus can join the ranks of Mel Gibson, Michael Richards and others in explaining themselves to these self appointed Witchfinder Generals.
Yeah, what Idiot -- Imus said was stupid. What he said was a real brain fa@t.But hey, what he said was nothing different than you hear from the left side of the aisle constantly about Christians, Neo-cons and Republicans all the time.
But as we all know we're just wingnuts and have to be told what we are on a constant basis.
I must say the real shocking thing about all of this is not the insulting language, not the bleating of the race pimps and other opportunists, it's the apparent folding like the proverbial cheap camera that Imus himself has done.
One thing as sure as there is sh@t in a goose, Imus wouldn't be acting this way if all of these catcalls were coming from the right side (sane) of the aisle.
Could this be his making amends for the mountains of coke he has shoved up his nose? Are we seeing a kinder, gentler Imus. The Imus who has seen the error of his ways?
I think not. I think this is his way out of the bottom of the barrel that will, in the long run, help him out of the cellar of the ratings chart.
After all, Americans love to forgive. Liberals love even more to forgive one of their own after a transgression of this type.
Think of Imus. Think of Marv Albert. Only Imus will be back sooner.



Ann

Who is Charlie Rose?

Imus is actually Grima Wormtongue, the last five hundred years have been a little rough on him.

Keep doing what you're doing Ann...
... we need you.

Sorry...

that should have been "five thousand years".

California Raisin Wannabe
Excellent column, Ann. I don't know what to say because I'm an early poster, so I'll just talk about Merry Imus.

Don Imus has been around for years insulting people [including his Southport CT next-door neighbor whom he never bothered to meet], ranting with misinformation, and generally trying to be funny with outlandish and foul jokes in bad taste. He'd never be acceptable for television---not because of his insensitive mouth and pea brain, but because he looks like a California Raisin.

I listened to him a few times over the years just to keep myself apprised of his antics. He never changes, and I usually regret the waste of my time.

His joke about the Rutgers' Ladies Basketball Team was foul, in bad taste, and not funny under any circumstances. While an apology should absolutely have been given, I think the whole scenario has been blown out of proportion. Yes, he should be groveling with humility, but not for the Rutgers' joke alone. This one "joke" doesn't rise to the level requiring such an apology as he gave. He's been insulting Presidents, Vice Presidents, cabinet members, Congressmen, and anybody else he feels he can get a laugh about.

So, he should grovel and apologize with humility, but for all his sins, not just the one that got the publicity. If he goes back on the air will he change? I doubt it. He'll probably make jokes about the controversy and return to his insulting ways. Like most Liberals, he can't change his stripes because it might mean the opening his mind to truth and logic.

Yes, I agree that we'll soon have little PC speech books to carry around with us if the Liberals have their way. They'll be updated weekly for new words and phrases. Perhaps, they can be a red color?

Well, I see the Imus show lost the sponsorship of Staples and Proctor & Gamble. Actually, I have to wonder why they sponsored him in the first place. He should have been sponsored by a toilet manufacturer.

In any case, Don Imus can join Howard Stern [who is really worse and will never apologize for anything he does] in the immature, potty-mouth mentality category. They both foul the air waves with their "jokes" and racist attitudes. Because of the latter, they can join the club with Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Charlie Rangel and the Congressional Black Caucus---wait! White men can't be in the Black Caucus of anything.

Sorry about that, Chief. Now, where's my shoe phone?

Anybody else miss Kimberloon?
I dunno, it just doesn't seem like the week is complete without endless cries of "SHRILL!", "HARPY!" and so on.

Come back, Kimberleeeeeeeeee!!!

I miss youuuuuuuu!!!

SHRILL! SHRILL!

Annie C. makes Imus look like Gandhi
Oh grow up - someone had to state the obvious!

I hate to say it
But I'm already bored with Circus Imus.

The whole thing's a tempest in a teapot.

Anne makes some very good points here
But I do believe that the Imus, Coulter, Mahr, Stern crowd do in fact owe us all an apology for dragging discourse into the gutter simply to further their own celebrity.

Charlie Rose
is an interviewer on PBS who is reknowned for advancing reasoned civil debate from all sides of the politcal spectrum, minus the infantile name calling and insults.

offensive
Part of the idea behind freedom of speech is to allow people to say things that may be objectional to others. This allows us to be honest. As offensive as I find anti-war protesters with signs saying America is evil, and "support the insurgents" at least it's more honest that politicians who claim to support the troops and then demand a time table for "strategic redeployment." What they need to say is "I'm a two-faced weasel who will only support policies that will get me re-elected", whether said policies are bad or not.

Charlie Rose II
I second what Bryce said and I would add that
he is one of the few reasons to watch any TV
at all.


Well thought out Ann
But frankly I'm already sick of hearing about that idiot Imus! I never watched his show and now we'll hear about it for weeks on end.

A book to carry around containing PC rules!? No freakin way! I don't talk to a Liberal unless I have to. And then it's done on my terms!

What...
... strikes me as slightly absurd about this whole Imus deal is that no-one seems to like him. I mean, even people like Glenn Beck and Michael Savage seem to have their fans, scary though that is. How did Imus get this big simulataneous radio / tv gig in the first place? his record of inflammatory comments is as long as my arm and yet it's only this that seems to have sparked controversy. What's even more weird is that Beck and Savage say far worse things week in week out yet appear to be almost untouchable... and that's not even beginning to wonder about what Coulter herself says every time she opens her mouth.

Imus trash
In this day & age, Imus' (who is this freak anyway) comments reveal someone lacking in intelligence. Cant stand Jackson, but Imus got what he deserved, & then some. Hope he suffers.

Maybe he should follow his own recent advice to Kerry & the troop comments:

"please, stop talking, go home, i'm begging you"

Has Imus ever looked in the mirror? could he possibly be the last person in the world to comment on others' appearances?

Ann is dead on
as always. I can't wait for that book to come out, but then it would have to be amended daily to keep up with what words have become PC.

Last night I saw a debate where several black men debated their right to say "ho", but no white man is allowed to say it. So, we have different rules for different people.

I don't condone in any way what Imus said, but as Lynne pointed out, Imus has done some very good work with his ranch and children with cancer. I can't say the same for Sharpton. What good works does he do?

Lynne
You watch Glenn Beck don't you? I've never heard him say anything remotely like "nappy headed hos" on his show. Some poster said he makes worse comments but I've never heard him say hateful things.

Lynne
As Stein said, "a jerk is jerk is a jerk"

Lynne
Yeah, I recall when Sharpton called Jews "diamond merchants" and hymies. What did he get fired from?
Oh, I forgot he doesn't have a job. No, wait, I'm wrong, he runs a carnival.

Lynne
I recall Savage getting fired from MSNBC for making a comment about homosexuals.

Peppermint
I know you don't read my posts any more, but, well, that shouldn't stop me from trying to help you with your insomnia... but Al sharptno has been involved in the civil rights movement for longer than I've been around, and that feels like an awfully long time. Now, whether you agree about that being "good work" or not is up to you. Personally, I think getting people out to vote, attempting to improve the lot of people who live in poverty and trying to do something about homophobia within the church are good things. Maybe it isn't as obvious a "good deed" as Imus's ranch, but Al Sharpton is not without his virtues. That doesn't mean he isn't a bit of a media "ho", if I can use language like that in this thread, but let's face it, it seems to me that anyone who gets a taste of the media becomes something like that. Ann Coulter, for example, crops up on just about any show that'll still have her on - even if it is to comment on the wayward moral compass of the likes of Don imus. Irony thy name is Fox News...

The Negro Racist
While it is forbidden to bring this topic up, Negro racism is a real and dominant reality. Negro racism arises from that segment of the Negro community that subscribes to the culture of victimization. Playing on White guilt, the Negro racist justifies his position by portraying himself as the helpless victim of White oppression. Negro Racism manifests in two different forms, direct and subtle...
http://www.globalconservative.com/NegroRacism.htm

Lynne
That's right. Glenn Beck brings to his show issues no one will touch, like the Islamofacist problem.

And, he has all those brave women on his show who speak up about the role of Islam and violence.
He gives them a big forum and lots of time to talk about it. I never see that on any other show.

Yeah, you wonder about some people's intellect at times. Perhaps a brain implant would help.

Glenn Beck
Again, most of this depends on which side of the political fence you sit on but Media Matters has 147 posts on former alcoholic and junkie Glenn Beck. Here's a short summary:

"Beck is famous for spouting controversial and inflammatory comments against Democrats, Muslims, Arabs, Mexicans, and female guests on his radio and television programs. Beck has called President Jimmy Carter a "waste of skin," Mexican immigrants "dirt bags" and "lawbreakers," Katrina victims "scumbags," Cindy Sheehan a "prostitute," and suggested using nuclear weapons against parts of the Middle East and Venezuela.

During a November 14, 2006, interview with Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN), the first Muslim elected to Congress, Beck said to the congressman: "What I feel like saying is, 'Sir, prove to me that you are not working with our enemies." (Beck later apologized for what he said was a "poorly worded question.") On his shows, Beck repeatedly belittles the Muslim faith by mocking Muslim names and through actions such as "mark[ing] the death" of Al Qaeda in Iraq leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi with a "Zarqawi bacon cake."

Media Matters for America has documented Beck's smear campaigns against former Vice President Al Gore and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton. Beck has likened both Gore and his Academy Award-winning movie, An Inconvenient Truth, to Nazi propaganda. He frequently criticizes Clinton, calling her the "Antichrist" and a "stereotypical b*tch," and comparing her health care plan to Hitler's "decree permitting euthanasia." Beck also helped advance the claim, originally made on the website InsightMag.com, that Clinton's presidential campaign discovered (and disclosed) that Sen. Barack Obama spent several years at madrassa while living in Indonesia. The accusation about Clinton was unsubstantiated, and the underlying claim that Obama attended a madrassa was debunked."



And on Michael Savage
Media Matters has 116 posts, but sadly (for me) no summary. Most of them are pretty sick, but I guess you already know that...

It's now official
I now have no reason whatsoever to have MSNBC on my tv. The garbage that Matthews and Olbermann spew make what Imus said pale by comparison.

Lynne
In answer to your question about the LaCrosse players I guess Sharpton and Jackson will cry foul.
They don't need truth for their accusations.

I'm sure Jackson will find some way to shake someone down.

Both of these men, Jackson and Sharpton are the worst examples for blacks in America, making blacks feel they are victims. I hope more blacks come forward, like Bill Cosby who give a better message than these others. Jackson and Sharpton's big game is keeping blacks down. I do think that a lot of African Americans in this country are starting to see this.

And Peppermint
Nice to know you are back reading my posts again. I've missed you.

Sharpton Empire Grows
“Sharpton In The Morning” To Replace Imus
Tuesday, April 10, 2007 6:48 AM


BUSINESS NEWS:

NEW YORK – Just hours after radio talk show host Don Imus was killed in a tragic fire at his MSNBC Studios office, The Reverend Al Sharpton has stepped forward as a replacement host for the show. “I’ve always admired the audience share ‘The I-Man’ carried and would be proud to take over the ‘I-Microphone’”, Sharpton said.

In addition to picking up the Imus radio show, a spokesman for Sharpton Management, Inc. (SHAM) announced that effective immediately the former Imus Ranch will become The Sharpton Ranch.

Sharpton Management, Inc. also owns Sharpton Suit Rentals, Sharpton Fashion Mart (f.k.a. Freddie’s Fashion Mart) and the Molotov Cocktails chain of drive through liquor stores.

Shares of SHAM (Nasdaq) traded up 2.75 at $17.25 on the news of the recent acquisitions.

http://kilroyreport.townhall.com/

Charlie Rose
'At least we'll still be able to watch the "Charlie Rose" show! Actually, for all anyone knows, Rose is calling women "nappy-headed hos" on TV every night since no one has ever seen his show.'

Rose is a flaming lib - I suppose that's why Bryce claims he "is reknowned for advancing reasoned civil debate from all sides of the politcal spectrum". Gag me with a spoon!

What Ann is referring to is the lib media cover leftist's like Rose get - you'll never hear anything he says made a cause celebe of that results in a dismissal.

Besides, since Louis Rukyser died, PBS hasn't any personalities worth paying attention to - Rose's numbers simply confirm this fact. PBS: the Amtrak of the airwaves.

Imus
Ann. you are right. We as a society are doomed when we let people like Al dictate lexicon. Imus, I actually thought that he would be the one to show the digit to Al and his ilk. All it has to do is happen once and Jesse and Al will scuttle back to wherever it it that they came from. BTW- Dr. Zen? you are a fool- there was no racism in Anns column. She simply spoke the truth.

ALL
Swing by my blog for a KICK AZZ article on some hard-charging Leathernecks who are the kind of citizen liberals would like to be, if they had balls, guts, a spine, brains, etc.

BTW, CAN MY WIFE, Chief Justice Ann Coulter-G write or what!?

SJR
GREAT POST!

I laugh over and over remembering when Hanoi John Fonda Heinz-Kerry called Al Sharpton the "moral compass" of the Dhimmicratic Party!

HAHAHAHAHA!

That's like calling Rose O'Piglet the spokesthing for Weight Watchers!

Critical Bill
Did you catch my story on Lesser Britain (formerly known as Great Britain) yesterday?

http://noliberalspin.townhall.com/g/f764620d-fc07-4868-a690-be180365f51c

Can you spell...reeducation? haha.

Oh well, Orwell was only 23 years off.

Imus
I wonder if Imus "raped" that "girl" at the Duke party?

Ms.Ann
No one stirs the drink like Ann Coulter !!!

So, who listens to Imus, anway?
Practically no one listens to Imus and fewer view his tv mumble fest. Maybe this is an opportunity for MSNBC and CBS radio to do some creative programming.

Gunny
Yes saw that... well, Tony is your biggest ally so maybe you can expect something similar any time soon... and with friends like you...

Annies comment...
...about the Winston Churchill quote "the boneless man" was priceless.Churchill spoke English like he invented it and English speaking people simply don't speak or write the language like he did,anymore.Oh,well.

Critical Bill
Did you catch my story on Lesser Britain (formerly known as Great Britain) yesterday?

http://noliberalspin.townhall.com/g/f764620d-fc07-4868-a690-be180365f51c

Can you spell...reeducation? haha.

Oh well, Orwell was only 23 years off.

Why now?
The one thing I don't understand is: why now? For years, no individual or group has been immune to Imus's insults, yet the "players" fall all over themselves to get on his show and preen. If any of them has ever uttered a peep about his slurs, I haven't heard it.

Years ago, during a particularly exciting run-back on Monday Night Football, I was watching when Howard Cosell exclaimed delightedly, "Look at that little monkey go!" This was loudly proclaimed to be a Class-A mortal sin, even though Cosell, by all accounts, was anything but a racist.

Imus says far worse, which hasn't deterred the pols and the media types who are his guests from seizing the opportunity for exposure and status that they believe his show provides.

Now, all of a sudden, they're shocked? Pass the ipecac.

Critical bill
Thanks! I never thought of it that way. Liberal reeducation and work camps. HMM. Be a nice way to turn something USELESS in something USEFUL.

I'll get right on that. In fact, I'll relay that to Herr Overlord Rove at tonight's VRWC meeting!

Imus is an idiot but...
he happens to be doing a telethon on his radio station today and tomorrow for SIDS. He's been doing it for 18 years, the one good thing he does. So what does MSNBC do? They pull the plug on him the day of the telethon! Good move MSNBC! The Rutgers girls can't be hurt by some old man's bad joke. Now kids are really suffering because of MSNBC. The president of MSNBC then talks of integrity...stop. The station with moron Keith Olbermann? Integrity? Give us a break.

Critcial Bill
No.

No no no no no.

You did NOT really suggest that the worst that can be said about Al Sharpton is that he is "a bit of a media "ho"".... did you?

Look up "Tawana Brawley". I lived in the next state over when that whole story was going on, and I remember it VIVIDLY. Sharpton has NEVER apologized for his part in that whole debacle. EVER. A good man's (Steven Pagones) reputation was absolutely TRASHED for a little girl's lie, all to inflame racial tensions.

Look up "Crown Heights," where he stirred up racial rioting that ended not only with the destruction of SCADS of Jewish-owned businesses and property, but with the death of an innocent kid who was entirely uninvolved, whose only crime was being Jewish in the face of a black mob chanting "Kill the Jew". Al Sharpton is DIRECTLY responsible for that death.

If, in the fact of these and other travesties, the worst you can come up with to say about Sharpton is that he is "a bit of a media "ho",", then you completelty lack any moral compass whatsoever. The man is a shameless race-baiter, who has personally profited both materially and politically from the politics of division, resentment, and hatred, and has ruined lives in the process. Sharpton is scum, pure and simple, and it takes a Leftist to fail to recognize that.

Shame on you. Between this and the debate the other day when you completely failed to EVER acknowledge your mistake, I have lost nearly all the respect I once accorded you.

CB
I read your "proof" that Beck is worse than Imus.

Beck's list of comments and actions:

Carter is a waste
Illegal aliens are lawbreakers
We should nuke parts of the middle east
Made fun of an Al Qaeda terrorist
Questioned the loyalty of a Muslim US official
Correctly called Al Bore's movie "propaganda"
Called Schillary the "antichrist"

When are you going to use some negative examples?



Always attacking
Quote from C. Bill:

"...on former alcoholic and junkie Glenn Beck."

That's a low blow - you're a critically sad person. Have a real thing against recovering alcoholics, huh Bill?

I understand why peppermint doesn't read your posts - I'll follow her lead from now on.

Critical Bill.....
You're upset with Beck because he's not sensitive enough to our enemies, polical hacks like hillary, and panty wastes like carter, puh-leeze. What ever happened to the First Amendment? If you don't like their shows, change the channel!

I Love It
I love Ann Coulter. See got it exactly right and she was hilarious in the process.

Gunny
If you can get me the Warden position at the new “Moonbat Reeducation Camp” I’ll work for free. Please!

However, I’ll settle for a guard or counselor position. I could teach, “Tax Hikes Don’t Generate Revenue!” or “Why Appeasement is Suicide!”

News flash
Imus to spend 3 days in a Jackson/Sharpton co-sponsored racial sensitivity seminar. It has not yet been determined who will pay the $50,000 registration fee.

Dr Zen
Excellent post. A beautifully crafted rebuttal to all of the points that Ms. Coulter made. It is heartwarming to have a liberal that makes sound points and backs them up with facts. Perhaps Ms. Coulter will be moved to respond; maybe something like, "I know you are but what am I?".

Critical Bill
In case you haven't noticed, all citizens of age have the right to vote here. The aims of the civil rights movement were essentially achieved over 30 years ago. Since then it has been about making the whites disadvantaged as a payback. Don't believe me? Google "slavery reparations". I can barely type that phrase without vomiting.

Icedog
I can supply you with the tools of the trade, a lifetime supply of 2x4's and the surgical instruments needed for my patented .357 lobotomy. Good luck in the new job.

Fergus is right on!
Racebaiter Sharpton lost in court to Pagones a number of years ago (reminds me of Duke Lax) and last I heard, has not paid Pagones yet.
He also started up a protest in Harlem resulting in workers in a clothing shop owned by a Jew being shot and killed...what a guy.

Wow!
That little post on honest Al Sharpton stirred up a bit of a hornet's nest... no Fergus, I didn't say that the worst charge that can be levelled against Sharpton is that he's a bit of a media "ho", you're putting words into my mouth. I am aware of the other controvercies you mention, although I'd have to admit I know very little about them. i'm not a huge fan but I was just pointing out that he is not without virtues. Well, as I also said it depends on how you view civil rights. And what mistake did I fail to acknowledge? Bear in mind I leave these posts at around midday US time so I often miss responses that I would otherwise reply to.
jimbo - Ok, maybe a low blow, we all make mistakes, but Beck is a recovering alcoholic and junkie. I don't think he even bothers to cover that up - so what is factually incorrect about what I said? If anyone deserves the odd low blow it's Glenn Beck.
I don't have any particular opposition to conservatives per se; as I've said many times on these threads my dad is a rabid conservaite nowadays and i think I can count my liberal friends on the fingers of one hand. And no, that doesn't mean I have fewer than five friends in total! What I don't like about him, and many others like him, is his total inability to make any kind of point without resorting to the lowest common denominator. There are plenty of intelligent, thoughtful and perceptive conservatives. Most of them can't get a word in edgeways because the sole criteria for becoming a conservative talking head, a la Coulter, Malkin, Savage or Beck, is to be as nasty as possible.

A few thoughts
First, the best quote I've heard on this was a caller on the Sean Hannity radio show who said the Don Imus was guilty of "..talking ebonics without a license..".

We shoud all congradulate Rev. Al for raising the living standard of so many black families with his rant against Imus. As everyone knows the best way to increase the black graduation rate, reduce the unwed birth rate, keep black families together and increase gainful employment is to rail against a non issue.

Don Imus suffered from something that afflicts most americans at one time or other. It's called by different names but usually goes by one of two, foot in mouth or brain fart. If you fit a certain set of characteristics don't ever have one of these in public; ask Trent Lott, the former chanceller of Harvard (I believe), and now Don. However, if you are a seniour Senator fron W. VA., or a self promoting "minister" you obviously have a license to say whatever you want.

And jimbo
"Always attacking"? You're having a pop at me for doing that? One of the most comon complaints about conservatives in public office here on Townhall is that they just lie down and die in the face of liberal aggression. Well, that may be the case. So when I write that Glenn Beck is a recovering alcoholic and junkie, you respond by saying "right, I'm not reading your posts any more" like some spoilt brat. I mean, you're hardly showing them the way forward are you?

schlicty
Yeah, the race baiter has not paid up yet, go figure.

I support, But..
I support Imus but, I do not support his show. His show should be pulled immediately however, I do support Imus.

HHMMMM?

Critical Bill
Pointing out the hypocrisy of the left by providing factual information devoid of political correctness is not "nasty". It exposes them, and they don't like it, so they call them names.........you know.....names like "nasty". Perhaps Coulter shouldn't laugh so much........but it's so easy.

forder
Call it what you like, but Coulter, Beck, Savage Limbaugh and Malkin all strike me as very nasty pieces of work. If that's who you want talking for you then fine but it's never going to do anything but turn off the majority of moderates...

CB
The point is your absolutely irrelevant ad hominem slam on Beck as a "recovering alcoholic and junkie". Please explain how any previous substance problems he may or may not have experienced has any logical bearing on what he may have said after exorcising his personal demons. There is no excuse for such reprehensible conduct.

Forder
I have a perfect example for your post.

Last night on O'Reilly, one of his reporters confronted a newspaper “journalist” who called O’Reilly a, “Hate-spewing Racist” for reporting on a story of a multi-arrested illegal alien who was DUI and killed two teenage girls. The only “evidence” of ‘hate-spewing” she could point to was O’Reilly’s use of the non-PC term, “illegal alien” as opposed to the new trendy moonbat term, “undocumented immigrant”....makes you want to puke.

If I get caught robbing your house can I just claim to be an “undocumented family member”?

Reprehensible conduct?
Ha ha ha ha ha ha - coming from you, Moonbat Exterminator, that is about the funniest thing I've ever read on Townhall! Let's compare me calling Beck an alcoholic junkie - both of which he admits to fully - and say, I dunno, just for example, Coulter calling Edwards, Clinton and Gore "fags", calling for the assasination of a supreme court judge, making jokes about genocide in Darfur, calling Bill Clinton a rapist multiple times... I mean the list goes on and on and on and on. And you're upset on poor little Glenn behalf that I made reference to the fact that he is an alcohol and drug addict? Get over yourself. Is this article we are discussing about giving some people a free ride and not others? What, so Coulter can say whatever she likes with no proof and get nothing but praise from the likes of you but when I write what Glenn Beck IS, it gets called "reprehensible conduct"????

Imus
Although, I am not an Imus fan, it should be noted that the words he used were not originated by a cabal of white racists but rather by the negro community in their various iterations.

The term "Nappy hair or Nappy headed" is a common term used by negros to describe the tight curly hair typical of the negro race. There are several children's books currently in print written by black women authors that use the term. The slang HO is a creation of black gangsta rappers and is used so commonly in what they term their "Art" that is rapidly overtaking their favorite the dreaded "N" word which if uttered by anyone but a Negro will cause spontanious miscariges by Black women and cause male members of the Crips and Bloods to fall
over in catylitic shock.

Imus' real sin was to try to seem hip or edgy by emulating the denegrating trash talk common within the gangsta rappers community when speaking of women of their own race.

The reality of the basketball teams indignant protestations of offence is that several of these negro girls are, indeed, sporting tatoos emulating the gangsta culture even though great care was taken to cover up that fact at yesterday's news conference. Face it girls, if you want respect don't perminantly disfigure your body in imitation of a gangsta rappers ho. This is a message I have vigerously imparted to my daughter, my three grandaughters as well as my three grandsons. If you want to lock yourself in a permanant low class existance, by all means get yourself tatooed and throw in several body piercings as well. However don't be surprised when you run into a silent resistance imposed by society.

IMUS
The people who are the most "offended" by Imus's dumb comments are the poeple who have never listen to his show.

Imus is geeting a taste of what liberals are really like. They claim to be the most tolorant but are the least tolorant.

The libs are eating their own. Maybe we have a new conservitive voice in the making after the way Imus is being stabbed in the back by his "friends" on the left.

caste football
White supremacist football more like. Any organisation that refers to white people as "our race" is pretty messsed up. Before you're all up in arms about my racism, the same applies to any organisation that does the same based on race. Go get your hood on Gabby, it must be daily cross burning time...

Critical Bill
Yeah, Al Franken and Randi Rhodes are real saints.


Gunny
In comparison to that rogues gallery I listed, indeed they are. Glad we can agree on that.

CB
Haev you ever READ any of Ann's book or are merely like all of theother liberals and tlaking about that of which you have no idea?

As I flip through Ann's book, "Treason", I find THIRTY-EIGHT PAGES of references to what she wrote about.

I'm betting that Ann could provide documentation on everything that she wrote about here as well. Indeed, much better than Dan Blather and those Bush memos...

CB
GUess you missed the sarcasm. Did they they outlaw THAT in Britainistan as well as free thinking?

No Gunny
You're the one who missed the sarcasm... and as for proving things - what, are you saying that Coulter has proof the Gore, Clinton and Edwards are all gay? And that Clinton is a serial rapist? Well, if she has I suggest that she do the right thing and present this evidence, either to an officer of the law in the rape cases or to the general public in the other. Nope, never read one of her books. Can't imagine that ever changing.

cant find a hero here
As much as I cant stand the race baiting Sharpton and Jackson, I must say I am enjoying watching the nasty Imus groveling for his life which is soon to end up with Howard Stern on Sirius. What happened to the mean guy who hates the idiots at MSNBC and has treated everyone, except the annointed few, including his own staff like garbage. Who said I dont care what anybody thinks. Its like watching 3 rats cannibalize each other. What a joy!!!!!!

Dead on!
Imus should have claimed he was talking about Condoleezza Rice or Michael Steele. Then Al Sharpton and Jesse would be ok with it. This is all so laughable and pathetic at the same time. It amazes with what cool, calculated undercurrents of racism democrats use to maneuver around minorities and are able to blame others - just keep them angry, poor and ignorant and they'll keep supporting democrats. Look at what that democrat clown DA did with the Duke students and the black community down there. Don't see much contrition coming from that guy. What's the difference?

Lynne
I disagree. From all of the readings that I've done on the great Winston, he'd just take a look at CB, puff on his stogie, and walk away. Not worth wasting any syllables on...

Lynne
also glad to see you are reading my posts again... although finishing your little rant with "no intelligence" would seem to me to be a rather personal attack...

A Remedy for Imus
I suspect that this whole Imus affair is being misinterpreted. It is my opinion that the rage directed at Imus has little to do with racial offense. It is not about race, it is about hair. The Apostle Paul was quite correct when he stated that a woman’s glory is her hair. We men know little of this and are always making mistakes of this nature as we generally don’t look for long in that direction. The culture may well have withstood his reference to them as Ho’s as a clumsy cracker attempt at talking trash, or as we may be more likely to call it, speaking the vernacular. But once he made the unnecessary reference to their hair in a manner that was less then complementary, he was doomed to suffer their ire. Paul wisely said, “Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him, but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For long hair is given to her as a covering. If anyone wants to be contentious about this, we have no other practice – nor do the churches of God.” 1 Corinthians 11:14-16

I would recommend that he inflict his own punishment on himself by shaving his locks as a sure sign of repentance. He may even allow Al Sharpton the privilege of doing the work.

Ellison
Come back to me when the black community refutes what Farrakhan, Sharpton, and Jackson have said over the years.

Critical Bill
You nasty conservatives should not pick on Bill after all he follows the liberal playbook.If you can't stand the truth savage the messenger.After all Glenn admits he is a recovering alcoholic.However don't hold your breath for senator Turd whoops Byrd to admit he is a recovering Klansman or Ted Kennedy admit he is a recovering killer

Imus's Politics?
I have never listened to Imus so I'm curious. I have heard he has taken his show more into political arena over the years. Is he a liberal or conservative.

I have not heard to much about his politics in the MSM. This leads me to believe he leans liberal. If he was conservative (even a little) I'm sure that would be plastered all over the headlines right next to his name.

union dude
Is saying what Glenn Beck is (I'm assuming you are referring to that) really "savaging" the messenger? After all, I only said what he is. it's everyone else that is attaching labels to it. And I don't think Byrd denies being in the Klan once, and I also know that his name is never mentioned here without reference to his past. Same goes for Kennedy - what, do you think Coulter EVER mentions him without bringing up chappaqquidick or however on earth it's spelled? I can only assume you must be new to her writing and the threads of Townhall...

Poetic Justice

.....Ann ...

.....Imus is reaping what he has sown ...

.....Far more ominus to me are the words of Al Sharpton ...he said, "This is not about Imus...it is about what gets "said" on the Airwaves' ...can anyone say "Fairness Doctrine"? ...

.....Imus is being "Publically Censured" for his words but if Sharpton has his way ...Imus would be censored by the Government ...and that is a direct violation of the First Amendment and the Free Speech of everyone ...

.....we have already crossed this line with "hate crime" legislation ...we are losing our freedoms at an exponential rate .....COLOSSUS

Ellison
Do you really expect people to believe these girls are "scared for life"!? Some 80 year old guy they never heard of has that much power?

....and "Ho" is part of the English language because of the damn French?! LMAO

In regards to your other racist ramblings, I have two questions for you.

Q. If a White supremacist from South Africa moves to America is he an “African-American” or a “European-American”?

...and what do you label a black man from Jamaica?


Ellison, are you kidding?
Scared For Life?

You open those girls CD collections and how much would you bet, there is far worse racial slurs and female degradation then anything Imus said.

I don't want to hear the "keep it in the family argument" When that cr@p is marketed to millions of people and is frequently used in communities. That argument is idiotic.

Enough Already
The last time I checked the dictionary, "nappy" was defined as curly hair that easily kinks (tangles). This being the case, "nappy-headed" could apply to anyone of any race with curly hair. "Nappy" connotes an undesirable texture of curly hair in the black community, but it is not a racist word and is used by blacks everyday. "Nappy" describes a quality of ethnic hair; a more enlightened description would be curly or coily hair. Interestingly, there's a natural hair salon in Atlanta and Los Angeles named "oh, My Nappy Hair" (check out their website and the picture of the black woman at http://www.ohmynappyhair.com ) and no one takes offense to this. Similarly, the term "hos" is not sexist in itself; it applies to any sexually indiscriminate person. It's fair to say that men and women can be "hos"; my aunt called Evander Holyfield a "ho" for having so many kids out of wedlock. Bacause Imus' comments were directed at a mostly black female team, the comments constituted ethnic insults and reprehensible, offensive remarks but they were not racist or sexist. Imus' suspension is apropos, he will meet with the team privately, and that's all that needs to happen. The man made some offensive, unwarranted statements but he should not be fired, as we all have the right to free speech (with the exception of hate speech i.e. racial slurs). It would be nice to see this controversy get closure. It would also be great if my community (blacks) spent its energy more productively on quality of life issues affecting us daily- i.e. fightings AIDS/HIV, improving quality of education for our kids, increasing odds for success in a global economy, enhancing financial intelligence to stop foreclosures and help us invest to prepare for retirement. While I think black folk have bigger fish to fry than bitching about the rantings of a crazy old white man, where was Rev. Al and his coterie when the rapper Ludacris and Nate Dog were performing the song "Hos in Different Area Codes"? The video for this song, which was in heavy rotation on BET, featured black chicks (not women) gyrating half naked and smiling while the black male (not men) rappers insulted them in lyric. No one protested BET, the record companies, radio stations advertisers, and retailers peddling that poison. THERE CAN BE NO DOUBLE STANDARD. And let's not forget when Rev. Al introduced Oprah as a call-in guest on his radio show a few months ago as someone "proving that not all black women are hos" (I was shocked those words came out of his mouth and gathered he was saying that some black women are hos)...It's actually on tape. Call him and ask him to replay it for you. What kind of non-sense is that? Incidentally, I am a black woman with natural hair that I refer to as curly or coily hair.

Lynne
Had lunch with his grandson the other week as it happens... got on very well indeed it must be said, he even asked my wife and I out for dinner...

Ellison
Great parody of a politically correct outraged liberal! LOL!


I liked the part where you explained that "The word “HO” is derived directly from the word “WH@RE”. “WH@RE” is a European word."

That's an excellent example of the liberals' spin to "prove" that it's white Europeans who call people "whores" while ignoring the fact that it was American blacks who started using "ho" as slang.

You have a terrific talent, Ellison. Again, thanks for the great parody of rampant moonbatism!

Ellison
You Lefties slay me; you really do. It's no wonder that you can't formulate a coherent argument, let alone a cogent one, when you clearly have no idea what a "fact" is.

you wrote:
"Fact: Imus Should Have Been Fired"

In case you missed it the day they taught English in class, a "fact" is an objective datum, one which is true regardless of perspective. One doesn't need to know the reason why a fact is true in order for it to be true. A fact is true regardless of who knows it.

Examples of facts:
- The Declaration of Independence was signed in 1776
- The Germans declared their surrender by signing the treaty of Versailles
- Don Imus called the members of the Rutgers women's basketball team "nappy headed hos".
- Al Sharpton has profited personally from actions which have enflamed racial tensions in this country

These are FACTS.

"Should" is a subjective term; it is a statement of OPINION ONLY. It is therefore not a fact, no matter how passionately you believe it to be true. And it may BE true, but being true does not make it a "fact."

Examples of things which may be true but which are not, in fact, "facts":
- Imus should be fired for the fact of calling them "nappy headed hos"
- Al Sharpton is a scumbag for profiting personally from enflaming racial tensions in this country
- Jesse Jackson is a scumbag for the same reason.
- Leftists are too stupid to differentiate between "facts" and "opinions."

Lesson over.

FergusMacLennan
ROFLMAO!!!!!

Double Standard Indeed!!!
Al Sharpton - Tawana Brawley. Anyone remember that fiasco?

Jesse Jackson - "Hymietown".

And let's not forget the Duke University mess that they BOTH were vehement about.

Tell me, what reprocussions happened here? Can you fire these two? Oh, that's right! They don't have REAL jobs! They are just liberal mouthpieces who spew hatred just like Don Imus. Yet the same rules don't apply to these two yahoos.

This whole mess is much ado about nothing. Is calling these women "nappy headed ho's" wrong? Of COURSE IT IS. But to make such a big deal about it is to give credence to these types of stupid remarks. He should have apologized for being stupid and then the whole subject should have been DROPPED.

The coach of this women's team is a fool. Again, with her "indignation", she gives credence to stupid remarks like this. The entire team's self image is dependant on what a radio talk show says? I would hope that these women are much stronger than that. You would think that these grown women were smarter and more mature than that...giving into the media hype and blowing this entire thing out of proportion. But no, they fell hook, line and sinker for the whole "racist" thing. Shame on the coach for making this a bigger deal than it really is. It made me sick seeing this coach and the team paraded out like they were victims of some henious crime. So someone called them a nasty name. GET OVER IT.

Al Franken entitled one of his books "Rush Limbaugh Is A Big Fat Liar". Where is the indignation here? That's hate speech! He made fun of Rush! Or Alec Baldwin, calling for Henry Hyde, prosecutor in the Bill Clinton impeachment, stating that someone should shoot this man! We're talking great bodily harm or even murder here!!! Where was the media demanding an apology for this??? He did it on David Letterman in front of MILLIONS. Funny how Mr. Hyde just let the whole think die down. THAT is how you handle stupid people!

It takes a bigger person to overlook another person's ignorance and stupidity. By putting Imus in the spotlight like this, you give credence to his mindless rantings. He'll be bigger than ever now.

People can be SO STUPID sometimes!!!

bryce
You wrote: "Charlie Rose is an interviewer on PBS who is reknowned for advancing reasoned civil debate from all sides of the politcal spectrum, minus the infantile name calling and insults."

I didn't know Charlie was a conservative. Thanks.

Critical Bill

.....If you want to be Critical of something why not target the British Colonial Empire ...

.....The British Colonial Rulers were the Gold Standard of racism .....COLOSSUS

What did I learn??
First, I like to watch Imus in the morning. Compared to all the other junk that you can chose from, his show is great.

Second, he is a comedian. As such he follows the tradition of thousands of years of saying things that are critical or not complimentary of other people. There is nothing wrong with this as it is part of our social interaction.

Third, what he said in its context was not racist. If you saw the picture he had of this team they would be characterized as nappy hos using the street language that is prevalent in the black culture. In an equal society, if one set of individuals uses a term commonly as in this case, then all can use the term. I work in an environment in which I over hear blacks talking like this constantly, every day. They are not offended. I would not use this language but a comedian can.

Fourth, if women don't want to be referred to as hos then they should not paint themselves with tattoos and try to appear as such. He did not comment on the other team that had a better appearance.

Finally, comedians on the radio will often say things that sensitive people might find offensive. The person who needs to change is the sensitive person, either by putting things in perspective or changing the channel.

Now with the actions that have transpired I came away with several messages that I passed to my children. The first is that blacks have a separate culture that whites can not emulate, even to the use of common terms. The next is to stay away from blacks and keep them separate from your activities as much as possible (witness also the Duke situation). In short, turn the clock back to the 1930's.

I intend to boycott NBC and its sponsors for supporting the likes of Sharpton/Jackson.

baseballdoc
I don't deny that for one second. Britain's past, for all of the glorifying of it on the pages of Townhall in the last week, raised the bar of enlightenment and plumbed the depths of shame at the same time... what my ancestors (and probably some of yours too) did in the name of British empire was truly unforgiveable. But hey, this thread isn't about the British empire is it...

FACTS

....ELLISON ...

.....As long as humans are able to distinguish between the races ...there will be racism ...

.....Racism does not need to be taught ...it is an instinctive behavior that is programmed into our genes as a part of the survival mechanism of Human Nature ...

.....I have travelled all over the World and in my experience the Country that best accomodates racial differences is the United States ...the most racist area in the World is the Far East ...these are FACTS .....COLOSSUS

To Critical Bill
Saying Al Sharpton is a civil rights worker is like saying David Duke is a politician. Both could be said to be technically accurate but neither has the flavor of truth.

The only "right" Al Sharpy has worked for is the right to line his own pockets and his actions are certainly not civil.

Personally I am tired of this whole issue but there is one good thing about it. Imus is a liberal commentator, therefore the news cycle for this issue will be very short.

If he had been a conservative, not only would he have been immediately fired, there would have been congressional hearings to determine what new laws needed passing for regulation of the airwaves.

Stop Being Victims!!!
So much injustice in the world and so little time…….

When will people, groups, nations, races realize that as long as they act like victims they will be treated like victims? One look and listen of the ladies on the Rutgers’s team you know that the comments Imus made was completely unfounded. I was disappointed when these ladies, put into a situation they did not prompt or deserve, chose to be victims instead of taking the opportunity to marginalize this idiot. Instead of giving power to his words implying this will have a lasting impact on their lives they could have focused on his pathetic apology and express pity for an old man who’s mouth is controlled solely by his brain stem.

Unfortunately, there are the opportunists who see a quick payday and whose stock in trade depends on perpetuating this climate. As they pad their pockets they serve no one but themselves. The African-American community has many, many better role models, leaders, and representatives to continue to advance their cause. May I recommend sending the Reverends Jackson and Sharpton to Imus’ ranch to join him in retirement?

Rutgers Team on Oprah
The Rutgers Women's team will appear on Oprah no doubt to share their feelings.

I'm waiting for Oprah to have the Duke LaCrosse players on to discuss their feelings of being falsely accused of rape.

With that being said, Imus is a doofus. Let his employers can him for poor job performance.

One other note to Ellison: On your FACTS

FACT: The NAACP still uses the insulting words "Colored People" in their title. The UNITED NEGRO College Fund is guilty of using the word "Negro" as well. Go get 'em Ellison.

FACT: Yep. Fire Imus. Agreed.

FACT: The Rutger's Team will be able to capitalize on the publicity for years right along with their scars. Book Deals, Movies, Celebrity, Invitations to major parties. They just have to continue to parlay the victim role cuz that is where the money is. Just ask Jesse or Al.

FACT: Correct; Al and Jesse are not the spokepeople for the Black Community, but they have never corrected anyone who has used that phrase or publically asked not be be viewed as such. By the way, who's the recoginized "go to" person as the spokesman for the White Community, or Brown Community or Asian Community?

As for the RAP industry, do the names, Puffy, Grand Master whoever, Murder, Inc, and a host of other mega million rap "artists" mean anything at all. Due to the rise of technology, most entertainment today, including Rap, is not dependent on record companies to succeed. Basically, rap sucks. Yo. yo. yo. yaknowwahimsayn?

FACT: Corporate "suits" don't destroy culture. The Rap/prison culture constantly reminds their fans that, "We be keepin' it real. Dis is da voice of da streets." It's amazing that the black community of Ellisons continues to perpatrate the belief that they can not reject that which is unhealthy or destructive. He can only accept and embrace what the white "suits" foist upon him and his ilk.

FACT: The word Wench has never been soley attributed to the description of black women. Wench was use centuries before in England and France.

FACT: Black Rap culture IS inferior. Even the non-victim mentality black community agrees. If Black Culture is superior, then why is Africa such a mess after thousands of years? Most all the evil whites have been booted from most African countries, but Africa still swims to slavery, corruption, violence and death at the hands of fellow Africans.
In American cities, where Black leaders are in charge, crime rates and poor performance by students are the norm, and blame is placed at the foot of the rest of the society.

FACT: Inter racial marriage is a problem? By which side? I have seen many blacks on TV decrying any black person that marries outside of their race. I don't get the point of that "fact".

FACT: Racism is the belief that one's race is superior over another. Don't confuse racism with bigotry. I don't believe my race is better than anothers, but I do believer my manner of behavior is superior.

FACT: Racism will never be elminated. We are an imperfect creation. Racism from white toward black, black to white, brown to black, asian to white...will always be present to some degree. We can work to show people that racism is self-defeating, but there will always be those who will not change.

FACT: No, the inability to eliminate racism will not lead to the destruction of society. Society will merely evolve into something different. For example: Germany in the 1930's compared to 2007. Germans did not die off, but their societal composition did change from National Socialists (NAZI) to their psuedo-democratic based society today.

To have lasting change for the better in culture and society, one must have a sincere change of heart. You can try to legislate or codify behaviors to some degree, but unless their is a willful change of heart, you will be met with frustration and defeat.

Here' another thought. Why does the black community continally blame the white culture, business and government for their problems, but ALWAY seeks assistance and support from those they despise (according to Ellison, blacks don't trust whitey)? That just doesn't make sense. Why would anyone seek help from an alleged bully?

Finally, I recognize that my use of the word "FACT" does not make them facts, just opinions.

Did I say Imus was a doofus? Good. He is.

Key word: humor
I think people don’t get as offended when it’s actually funny. For instance, Ann takes the time to put her outrageous comments into some sort of context that relates to a topic and is obviously humorous. It’s the lack of effort that galls as much what was said. Calling these young black athletes “nappy headed ho’s is so random and off the topic at hand - them loosing the big game, that it makes you wonder if there isn’t some sort of latent hatred there. And more importantly, laziness.

Lynne
I know you can't stand my posts; fine. But if you're going to comment on them you should at least give them a quick glance. Otherwise you run the risk of making yourself look like a first class idiot, as you did just then.

Ellison
I see that in addition to having only a passing acquaintance with the proper use of words like "fact," you also have a bit of a Leftist myopia when it comes to history. Of course, when you spout an absurdity like the following...

"such bigoted and prejudiced opinions toward African Americans. Some posters had the nerve to call African Americans "Negroes""

... it really shouldn't surprise me that you seem to embrace with a whole heart all the standard Leftie BS politics of division. For the simple use of a word like "negro," which was once the entirely respectable way to refer to - oh dear, how shall I say it so that I don't offend someone? What *is* the current accepted usage? Lessee - African Americans... I mean, Americans of color... I mean, colored people...

Oh dear. So many terms, once acceptable, now offensive.

Anyway, on to your latest idiotic statement:

"we DEFINATELY BENEFITED from the system of supremacy that kept the PLAYING FIELD BENEFITIAL TO PEOPLE WHO WERE OF EUROPEAN ANCESTRY"

Would this include people of European ancestry from places like Ireland and Italy, who experienced their own vicious encounters with prejudice when they emigrated from their own countries and came to the U.S.? I urge you, before you respond, to actually look into some of the history.

Yes, the world is a nasty, harsh place, and people don't always treat each other kindly. Suck it up.

Oh, and the word is "beneficial"; there is no such word as "benefitial." And please lose the extended all caps.

When is Sharpton going to apologize?
When is "Reverend" Sharpton going to aplogize to the person he INTENTIONALY defamed by KNOWINGLY lying and saying he raped Tawanna Brawley? When is "Reverend" Sharpton going to apologize to the family of the person he INTENTIONALLY helped murder when he incited a riot in LA? When it "Reverend" Sharpton going to apologize for causing 99% of the "racism" he claims to be offended by?

"Reverend" Sharpton is the poster child for race p1mps, and anyone who takes that shill seriously should PERMANENTLY be banned from voting on the basis that they are too dumb to vote responsibly.

CB
Your right, Al's a civil rights worker of today, that's another term for corporate shakedown, or pay me to shut up.
IMUS- How's it feel, shock jock. You should have been gone 20 years ago.

TH's resident Leftist village idiot..
... aka youmakemelaugh2....

... seems to have joined the fray. Oh goodie. Now we get to have hours and hours of all caps from the... hey wait...

YMML, did you get that Legal Blindness cleared up? You didn't seem to have any trouble writing in lower case this time!

You poor benighted fake Vietnam Veteran, you...

CB's lib moral relativism
CB says: "Is saying what Glenn Beck is (I'm assuming you are referring to that) really "savaging" the messenger? After all, I only said what he is. it's everyone else that is attaching labels to it. And I don't think Byrd denies being in the Klan once, and I also know that his name is never mentioned here without reference to his past. Same goes for Kennedy - what, do you think Coulter EVER mentions him without bringing up chappaqquidick or however on earth it's spelled?"


In other words, there is no difference between being an alcoholic, a leading member of the KKK, and a cowardly manslaughterer. Nice example of one of the sordid pillars of modern liberalism: moral relativism. Good job, CB!

buzzkat
You can try to put words into my mouth as much as you like but it doesn't mean you're correct. Try reading the post I was responding to, then my own reply. I did not make the comparison of Beck's addictions to Byrd or Kennedy, Union Dude did.

I just love Lefties
I love idiotic, meaningless little platitudes like the following:

"Injustice Anywhere Is A Threat To Justice Anywhere"

Tell me, does this apply to Injustice among the members of a remote tribe in Borneo that has no contact with anyone else, anywhere, ever?

The thing about this sort of platitude that annoys me no end is that it first of all presupposes, in a very standard-issue Utopian Leftist sort of way, that all Injustice can be eliminated from the world, if we just try *really hard.* Yeah, you have a dream, but it tends to conflict with the fact that we are either (depending on your beliefs) an irredeemably sinful race, or one with a survival instinct founded irrevocably in the herd mentality of our furry ancestors who survived by seeing the world in terms of "Us vs. Them," and for whom life was "nasty, brutish and short." Either way, your dream of perfect Justice is at odds with the reality.

Moreover, the moral impetus brought on by accepting such absurdities as "Injustice Anywhere Is A Threat To Justice Anywhere" have led to such lovely Utopian realities as Stalinist Russia, Maoist China, Minh-ist Vietnam, Nazi Germany, and Khmer Rouge Cambodia.

In other words, the mass grave.

But don't tell that to Lefties; they'll get it right one of these days, darn it! Just see if they don't!

Critical Bill
Even though I often disagree with CB, his posts should be welcomed as part of a reasonable debate. At least he doesn't jump in, shoot flames, then bail. He stands his ground and takes fire and returns some pretty good volleys.

Stay with us Bill because you sure as he11 beat some of the other left leaning commentary posted here.


buzzkat
And can you expand on how I am saying that there is no difference? Clearly, Byrd is an ex-klansman. Clearly, Beck is a recovering alcoholic and junkie. I made no value judgement on either.

I love TH
The level of argument here is so much better then any lib forum I have ever been in. Even the libs here are pretty good. When compared to libs in other forums. Except ymml2.

Cheers Nick
Appreciated.

Luv you babe
You're my idol Ann. Saw your debate on Fox the other night. Looking good...as always.

In all seriousness, IMUS is a twit. Personally, I don't care if he leaves or if he stays. because I don't listen to him anyways.

The only probalem that I have is with the double-standard of judgement used by the left-wing media.

Having Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson run the media elites' ethics department is a little like inviting foxes to eat dinner at the hen house.

Are we also going to ban Rap and the crud comming out of HBO and Comedy Central?

Don't hold your breath.

Goodbye Don Imus whatever you are.

Fergus!!!
I love your guts and moral compass... let's get that straight, before you get a complex...and
I was simply ROTFLMAO and that's a fact,Jack!! You are so clever, never a shill!! (Gasp) I hope I made your day by trying to fit in "the word"!
I think YMML is Kimberly trying on a new fantasy...hhaha

I don't understand
Why should Imus have to apologize?

I thought he was battling evil PC forces?

Surely everyone on this site should be praising his noble stand?

CB
All I'm saying is that you imply that bringing up Beck's past is the same as bringing up Byrd's and Kennedy's pasts. It isn't, for the simple reason that Beck's past actions can be classified as "mistaken" or "weak", whereas Byrd's and Kennedy's past DELIBERATE actions are clearly wrong and evil.

Ellison
"I WOULD CHALLENGE YOU TO BE A MAN AND STAND UP FOR RIGHT. IT IS SO EASY TO STAND ON THE SIDELINES OF LIFE. BEING A MODERATE FOR THE STATUS QUO IS EASY. BUT BEING A EXTREMIST FOR JUSTICE IS HARDER. SOME DON’T HAVE THE MORAL FIBER OR STRENGTH TO STAND UP FOR WHAT IS RIGHT. I BET DURING THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR, YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN A LOYALIST."

And what if "being an extremist for justice" leads to more unnecessary deaths and misery than just shutting your yap and being a bit more moderate? This is, after all, the primary result of Leftism in the 20th century.

Oh but it's all okay, because their intentions were good, right?

Leftism is all about intentions and "compassion," and if it just makes matters worse, well at least the Leftist's conscience is clear.

The Real World is a bit more complex than that, but trust a Leftist never to recognize that fact.

And feel free to indulge all you like in whatever conjecture about what I think, believe, and would or would not do in any hypothetical situation you want to come up with. It matters not one bit to me; it has as much relation to reality as those "facts" you were hawking up earlier, like so much phlegm.

And my Moral Compass is just fine, thank you very much, but thank you for your concern.

buzzkat
So you are with me in believing that legalising some drugs is the way forward? Good, another ally. because we wouldn't want to imprison people for being mistaken or weak, would we? rather we should only imprison people for being wrong and evil... anyway, I'll say again I'm not the one who has made value judgements on these facts, you have. Can I keep on calling Newt and Rush drug addicts too?

Ho, Ho, Ho
I can see how Imus's comments might be contagious. Just today, I've been e-mailing friends on the Imus dust up, and speculating that this gives a "whole new meaning to NBC".

Now that I think about it, although a symantic stretch the same might be said for the acronym "CBS". I just can't seem to stop myself!

NBC Please! (see what I mean).

Oops
Got a bit carried away there, on reflection I might be doing ole Newt a misservice there. Drug addiction might not be on his long list of crimes and misdemeanors...

CB
You wrote: "Again, most of this depends on which side of the political fence you sit on but Media Matters has 147 posts on former alcoholic and junkie Glenn Beck.'

I don't know why I even respond to your nor why I even read your posts. They are simply a collection of liberal drivel. However I felt compelled to respond to this one.

How typical of a liberal to point out that GB was a "former alcoholic and junkie". I am no GB fan and I never watch him but it is always amazing how the forgiving liberals are always the first one to start the personal attacks and are the most unforgiving if the subject can be considered conservative. On top of that you use Media Matters, a website run by the now liberal David Brock, to substantiate your claims. And finally Savage does go over the top sometimes but his listeners know that. For all of his faults he still is brutally honest sometimes and we know how honesty to a lib is like garlic to a vampire.

Glenn Beck
I watch Glenn Beck and I have never heard him say anything really out of line. To compare him to Imus or anyone like him does not make sense on any level.
The guy is honest and earnest in his speech, that's it.

Hey - Critical Bill
"What...strikes me as slightly absurd about this whole Imus deal is that no-one seems to like him. I mean, even people like Glenn Beck and Michael Savage seem to have their fans, scary though that is."

Savage got 5 Million ppl to say they'd vote for him for president. So having that army of listening must provide some level of protection. That said, he's the only talk show personality carried in my market that I often have to just hit the am/fm button on a regular basis just to save my sanity.

But Ann made a very valid point. Imus attacked a bunch of ladies that a) were not really in the public arena & as such don't deserve to be beaten up & b) they were apparently doing good both on and off the court. So they seemingly deserved accolades rather than venom.

I agree with Ann. Even if Imus's show is gone, he should still sincerely appologize for his words to them alone. It would be great if he did it in a private meeting and the press was never allowed to know what he said or promised to them.

They allow, not Al, hold the key to saving his neck if they want to right now.

Annie Gets Her Gun
Annie defending Imus - what's next Israel sticking up for Adolph ???? Look when you screw up you have something coming - it's as simple as that - the networks depend on advertising and some big sponsors have dropped Imus - as we know dung balls roll down hill so da man gotta go -

As for Al the Wind Bag and Champion of the Black Folk he is like a dog with a bone - his rants are what they are rants

Again anyone who takes anything Rosie says seriouly should take out their brain and play with it

How Anna Nicole got into the mix is beyond me - don't speak ill of the dead Annie bad Ju-JU

CB
I don't know how this has become a discussion on drug use, but (surprise surprise!) dang right as a libertarian I believe that drugs should be legalized or at least decriminalized. (The "War" on Drugs has not cut drug use by one iota, has criminalized millions of people for a victimless crime, and has hugely increased violent crime; in other words, the War on Drugs is a complete failure). But tell me, do you distinguish between addicts such as Rush who became addicts through no fault of their own, and addicts who take drugs through their own choice? Again, we're getting into the concept of relativism here, which you seem to hve trouble grasping.

buzzKat
You sound like you're making the assumption that anyone who is addicted to non-prescription drugs has done it out of choice and anyone who is addicted to prescription drugs is an unfortunate soul who has become addicted through no fault of their own. While there is a shred of truth in that, it is no more than a shred. Is the doctor who continues to prescribe addictive drugs to a patient who has no need for them and is addicted to them any worse than a street hustler selling a bag of weed? I don't see much difference. the road they both take to get there might be different but the end result is the same. As Bobbit and many others have pointed out today my mentioning Glenn Beck's drug addiction (which I understand was cocaine) is hypocritical. Yes, I suppose it is. Personally, it makes no bones to me if he wants to do the odd line of blow. In fact I'd go one further - I wish all politicians had done some drugs at some time or other. Might get a bit of sense out of them for a change...

critical bill
I couldn't believe what you wrote about Glenn Beck. Guess I'll have to start watching his show, he sounds like a smart guy. Thanks for the advert.

stnickname
Ha ha ha... gutted, I probably have drummed up a handful of new listeners and viewers for him... well, he can send me a royalty cheque...

CB
Eh? Hasn't everyone who is addicted to non prescription drugs made the CHOICE initially to START using them (through peer pressure or some such reason)? Is this not different from those unfortunate people (Rush being an example) who hve become addicted to prescription drugs for medical reasons? This is not a "shred" of truth, it IS the truth!! Can you not grasp the difference???? In answer to your question about the prescribing doctor vs street hustler, of course they're the same, and if anything, the doctor is worse, but this is completely beside the point. Once a person becomes addicted, he will do anything to feed his addiction, whether it be finding a hustler or a corrupt doctor. We're discussing the addict himself, not his source for drugs, what's your point?

buzzkat
Yeah, but don't prescrition drugs, those that one can become addicted to, state very clearly that they can be addictive? And if so, anyone with half a brain using them needs to be careful and should not exceed the prescribed dosage. The fact is that most people who become addicted to prescrition drugs are every bit as aware of their addictiveness as someone taking their first hit of crack. We're not talking about opium-addicted wounded soldiers here.

youmakemewastevaluableworktime
Awww, how cute! "A new program, yeah, that's the ticket!"

(apologies to Jon Lovitz)

And I notice you have yet to respond to my challenge to "name names" of those you believe are posting with multiple IDs. C'mon, don't be scared!

CB
"The fact is that most people who become addicted to prescrition drugs are every bit as aware of their addictiveness as someone taking their first hit of crack."


Oh really? People with medical conditions deliberately become addicts; the physician has no responsibility. How absurd! You keep on reiterating my point that you cannot seem to distinguish between choice and victimization. No sense discussing this more, we're going around in circles.

Reply To Ann Coulter
"Depending on which TV show you tune into, what Imus said was wrong because: (1) His show goes out on FCC-regulated airwaves; (2) he regularly interviews people like Sens. John Kerry, John McCain and Joe Biden; (3) he spoke at the White House Correspondents' Dinner a few years ago; or (4) he's not black (AC)."

You forgot one.

(5). It is wrong for Chris Rock and Chapelle to call Ann Coulter, Laura Ingram, Abigail Thernstron, Linda Chavez, Katie Couric, Barbara Walters, and Greta Van Sustern or their mothers or daughters or nieces, "Nappy Headed Hos."
***

"The reason people don't like what Imus said was because the women on the Rutgers basketball team aren't engaged in public discourse. They're not public figures, they don't have a forum, they aren't trying to influence public policy (AC)."

No, no, no.

It was because Imus was blind and ignorant.

He knew nothing about these beautiful women; who after being trounced by the mighty Duke by 40 points in their opening game, beat Duke to get to the championship; rose from tragedy to triump; from the death of the coaches husband from a heart attack; to one of the players having a rod removed from her knee, to one of the players being an accomplished concert pianist and a straight A student; to the strong bonds that black and white players had forged; to an all freshman starting team who had the audacity to believe that they achieve the national championship. Imus knew nothing of this; yet he felt comfortable calling them Hos.

He was blind too!!!

There are two white women on the Rutgers team, one of whom is from Utah.

You know you are in a world of trouble when you call a beautiful white child from Utah, "A Nappy Headed Ho."
***

"This wasn't an insult to all mankind, and certainly not an insult to Al Sharpton. Now, if Imus had called the basketball players "fat, race-baiting black men with clownish hairstyles," well, then perhaps Sharpton would be owed an apology (AC)."

All of manking raised up against Imus, including the benign, vanilla YWCA, who never ever proteste against anything; so this was indeed an insult to all mankind.



buzzkat
If you only take one sentence of my reply its bound not to make much sense. I did not say that anyone deliberately becomes an addict - I suspect most people jacking up for the first time think they will be able to handle it. Of course the physician has responsibility; I never said otherwise. The responsibility to make prescription drug users aware that they can be addictive and the responsiblity to act if that advice is ignored. In most cases of prescription drug addiction the victim, or chooser, or whatever, knew from the word go that those drugs could be addictive. I agree that the addict to prescription drugs is perhaps more of a victim but nonetheless you can't argue that most people who become subscription drug addicts didn't know that what they are taking can be addictive or were somehow tricked into it. So, for me at least, there is a slug of choice and victimisation in both.

youmakemewishforasledgehammer
Yeah I didn't figure you would actually "out" anyone.

I am making no claims about the software itself; only that you are an inveterate and proven liar, and so I am going with the assumption that every word out of your mouth is a lie, "including 'and' and 'the.'" (With apologies to Mary McCarthy).

Of course, you being a Leftie, I was already halfway to that assumption to begin with.

Lynne
The libs keep coming back for two reasons.

1. They LOVE pain and the spankings that they get here excite them.

2. They can post their garbage here w/o fear of being banned OR their post being wiped, unless it's pure garbage.

Something that NO LIBERAL forum allows. So much for freedom of speech libstain style.

Ellison
You will note of course that Jesus also said "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's." In other words, he wanted nothing to do with secular authority, which, given that this is a political forum, is precisely on point.

Your bringing up Martin Luther is rather on point as well, inasmuch as he thought his reformation of the Church would succeed in converting Jews to Christianity. When it didn't, he became one of the more rabid anti-Semites of his day, and there's a decent chance that more than a few pogroms bore his imprimatur, and thus that plenty of sixteenth century Jews suffered for Luther's "extremism."

I have absolutely no problem with extremists themselves; it is the sort that want to form social and political policy based on their extremism that scare the crap out of me. Utopianists, specifically - which is an apt description for nearluy every Leftist "idealist" out there.

I, too, an an extremist. I want no more government than what was had in Jefferson's day. I want all income taxes abolished, I want all social programs abolished, and I want as much individual sovereignty returned to the Individual as possible. I hold with Jefferson: "Extremism in defense of Liberty is no vice."

But extremist Utopianism, no, that I don't hold with. There may be a better world to come, but for those of us living in this one, axes ground on the whetstone of soe ideal of "perfect Justice" cut more necks than nearly any others.

Ellison re: Sharpton
ANYONE can speak out against racist/sexist comments. Big friggin deal. Mere words in no way legitimize someone. Sharpton is a race-pimping hustler, pure and simple, as far from the ideals of Dr. Martin Luther King as, say, David Duke.

The I-Man
I read Ann and I listen to the I-Man.
Ann is rights, the I-Man needs to personally apologize to the women on the basketball team (only).
What gets me angry is that the I-Man could be wimping out, when his fans are expecting him to fight. For those of you, who do not know the I-Man's history, he was in worse situations and he
he had to fight like a demon to get back on radio.

I-Man: remember "Bust Balls", rock-on guy.

Ellison
"who has the nerve to speak out against sexist/racist comments!"

Really!! He speaks out against himself as well?

GunnyG
Thanks for the post on the two Marines.

It reinforces my pride in being an American.


BlueBustard
Thanks for the kudos.

Guaranteed that no librats will check it out as it destroys their image of the military and the Marines especially.

Imagine, in a CITY FULL OF LIBERALS, like DC is, no one steps for to help this guy except two Marines, who are probably staunch right-wingers. Gee, go figure.

Ludicrous...as always
I don't know how Coulter thinks she can make a point with those quotes from Churchill and Reagan. Both are relatively decent and polite considering they are either referring to a rival or an arch-enemy. This as nothing to do with a radio man, gratuitously attaching to young, hardworking and courageous women, a most despicable epithet. By trying to make those fallacious comparisons, yet again, in order to justify downright racism is an insult to the memory of both Churchill and Reagan.

It is about time Townhall gets rid of Coulter if it still wants to claim the moral highground.

Stenka
My wife, Chief Justice Ann Coulter-G and I consider this picture the perfect definition of the "moral high ground."

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y187/gunnygail/moralhighgrnd.jpg

BTW, what does having the moral high ground have to do when you're locked into an ideological fight with an enemy bound and determined to give away the farm?

"Nice guys finish last." Leo Duroucher.

Stenka:
"courageous[?]"

It's real brave to play with balls.

You cheapen Our language.

youmakemeyawnuncontrollably
But see, given that you are an inveterate and proven liar, I don't trust you. And I therefore have absolutely no intention of bothering to waste time seeking out the software you mention, downloading it, installing it, trying it out.

And you can try to make it your challenge all you want; I will continue to yawn, jeer, and snore in your general direction.

(with apologies to John Cleese)

As for "the original post": If that's your attempt to say "let's get back to the matter at hand," the problem is that you never fail to fail to say anything remotely intelligent, so why not hang out on the topic that at least offers some fun? You get terribly boring when you try to be earnest, you know.

Ellison re: Sharpton
I commend you on your integrity. Too many people cannot distinguish between true civil rights leaders who place their cause above themselves (e.g. Dr. King) and those who exploit the cause to feed their ego (Sharpton). (By the way, IMO, Jesse Jackson crossed the line from King-like to Sharpton-like some 20 years ago, whereas Sharpton has been a hustler from Day 1). But leave it to others, not me, to confront Sharpton! I don't have the skills or temperament to deal with a shout down artist such as Sharpton. I prefer to work with and interact with my fellow professionals and friends in everyday life where one's race is not just a non-issue but not even a consideration.

Ann
Excellent work. Another homerun. Could we get gov't. subsidized p.c. ticker tapes for families who need them?

ALL
Take a break and check my blog. Osama has been SPOTTED!

youmakemyeyesmakegrindingnoises
Gee, I thought the big scandal was the Durham, N.C. one??? Certainly that was the idiotic point you were trying to foist on the Walter Williams Tobacco column a couple days ago...

... ignoring conveniently that Durham, N.C. is in an area known as the "Research Triangle," which is a very high-tech area of the country.

Now DALLAS is the big bad bogeyman!!! Gosh, I guess for conservatives to have any credibility at all, they should just live, where, Berkeley? Provincetown, Mass?

Or are you saying that it is somehow SHOCKING for a conservative website to be based somewhere that is friendly to conservatives?

Stretch any harder to find a scandal, something's going to snap...

C B
aren't there enough folks in lesser britain( a wonderfully accurate term) for you to annoy?
Surely they must be more receptive to your pov.
Or perhaps you are a denizen of Canada? either way you fit in perfectly

Fergus
Man, just admit it. The guy has you dead to rights.

You're really George W. Bush ain't ya?

YMML2
Types with 2 fingers and half a brain.

So much for free speech
I have to admit seeing Imus hoist by his own petard is gratifying. Live by the sword die by the sword. Live by the insult die by the insult. But enough is enough. Imus has been slinging insults since the day he got in front of a microphone just that this time it was the wrong group sort of like killing a spotted owl. Evidently sticks and stones can break my bones but words can never hurt me no longer applies. Neither does "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend with my life your right to say it". Those of you who wish censorship be carfull for what you wish you may just get it. That is one sword with two edges. I am John Doe!!!

Lynne/Peppermint
Glenn Beck is one of my heroes because he's a straight shooter, hates political correctness and I have never heard him tell anything but the truth. I watch him every day.

Bernard Goldberg's book "110 People Who Are Screwing Up America" is an excellent read and covers the two undistinguished Sharpton and Jackson, as does Juan Williams' book "Enough". Some hair-raising stuff.

If you go to Larry Elder's website, his books are listed. They are also excellent and contain eye-opening info. I've read them all. I see Bernie's got a new book coming out called "Crazies to the Left of me, Wimps to the Right". I've ordered it along with Angela McGlowan's book "Bamboozled".

The Real issue
Ok Folks lets break this down.

First Imus has had a history of these comments that and NBC interviewed their staff. Also He has called Venus and Serena Williams "two booma-chucka, big-butted women"

He also said the Williams Sisters didn't belong in Playboy they belonged in National Geographic.

He called the New York Knicks "chest-bumping pimps"

He referred to PBS anchor Gwen Ifill as a "cleaning lady"

He urged his producer buddy to "make fun of more Negroes"

In 1997, Imus told a "60 Minutes" employee that his program producer was brought on the staff to do "n***er jokes."

Also back in the 80's when black kid's where being kidnapped and killed he would play "Another one bites the dust" when ever a report would come out about another dead black child was found so yes he should have been fired.


phil
Cynical Bill has to come here in order to pester conservatives as there are none left in Eurabia. It seems the few conservatives that were in Oncegreat Britain have been deployed to Her Majesty's service in the middle east. Iran thought they had discovered a dozen or so a few weeks back but discovered they had only captured liberals so sent them back.

Great points!
Great points as usual Ann, great points..

MCB
I don't think anyone here is defending what Imus said - it was plain stupid and tactless.

The complain is the treatment he has received and the double standards that exist in the media and in much of the public.

on Imus
the longer we keep talking about what falls out of Imus' mouth the better the Left loves it! another ploy to distract attention away from the really serious stuff. Islam at your door; Iran nuclear threat; those poor illegal immigrants, etc. U've fallen into the trap again!

Tough words from a tough man hiding...
...behind a screen. big mick joker kinda makes my point: Throwing pointless and uncalled for insults for no other purpose than filling the void that seemingly, in his case, fills the space normally reserved to one's brain.

It takes two to debate.
YMML, nobody on this board can have an intelligent debate with you simply because you lack any intelligence. Your incoherent typing and rambling thought make absolutely no sense. You have not written a single sentence in all your time on this site that has correct grammar or punctuation, let alone a point. I love debate. I love logic. You are incapable of either.

I can't stop the tears...
... of laughter! Anne, once more, you call it like it is! Great column!

Liberals blame Bush
Well it didn't take long for the brainless Liberal moonbats to blame the Imus situation on Bush.

http://newsbusters.org/node/11978

Hard choices for conservatives
Some conservatives are parroting the liberal line and support the firiing of Imus. They have imbibed liberal PC koolaid are now making fashionable utterances against racial slurs. As a liberal I don't have a problem with this. There is a simple way to respond to Coulter's question about what is acceptable and what is not. Ask yourself the following questions: What is accomplished, in ideological debate, by the use of racial/ethnic slurs and insults? Is any argument advanced or supported? What does the racial remark have to do with the issue at hand?

Now we get to the hard part. Conservativs have an extensive vocabulary of racial and ethnic insults available as part of the American tradition. [All societies have such a vocabulary availabe.] Since conservatives are dedicated to the preservation of tradition, I don't see why they should consider giving up the slurs. So are conservatives going to have to choose between PC and tradition? I know which choice they should make if they want to show their conservative bona fides, and it's not the PC option. Nothing could be more conservative than Imus's remarks; embrace them and make them your own. It's the conservative thing to do. Besides, ask yourselves the obvious question: WWAD? What Would Ann Do?

Support Imus
Folks Wake Up!!!!!!!! This Imus thing is the most blown out BS I have seen since Watergate.

The Notion that anyone could be influenced by two Race Hustlers and Civil Rights Pimps, like Jesse and Al is insane.

America is allowing these two hypocrites and I'll add Bigots, to dominate the airways and demand that Imus be fired. This Country has become a Nation of weak kneed wimps.

The IRS needs to investigate both of these Race hustlers and put them in jail where they belong.



imus
LMFAO, how can anyone be seriously offended by being called names by IMUS? Has anyone looked at him? hahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaa

Ho Ho Ho, Merry Imus
As usual, Ann, you really nailed it! Oops! Can I say that?

toro
Before I learned about what Imus said, I had thought he was dead, Now that I have seen his picture, I know it.

youmakemebleedfrommyears
Ohhhhhh... I get it.

You didn't specifically make an *assertion*, you just 'made people ask questions with "I wonder if'"

Kinda like... I didn't SAY you beat your wife... I just wondered why she was wearing sunglasses.

Cheap shots, dimbulb, and cheaper tactics.

What a lying Leftist lamebrain you are.

Pauky
"Support Imus"
I support Imus, I just do not support his what he does. He should pull out now but, I still support him.

UUMMM?

I supported him before I decided to be against him.

UUMMM?

I was tricked in to supporting Imus but, now I know I was lied into supporting him.

UUMMM?

Imus should move to Guam. That wouldn't be running away from a tough problem. The problem would just go away if he wasn't here.

UUMMM?



YouMakeMePuke
You are just such a little punk. Why dont you STFU and go play with your video games and let the adults debate? You have nothing intelligent to add to any thread EVER!!! (CAPS FOR YOU) D*CKHEAD!

Confusion
Could someone please explain to me why right-wingers don't want to hear bad language on television but love hearing it on radio shows? I happen to agree with them that little kids shouldn't be hearing b* and c* and sh* and f* on television at 6 PM, but, where are the complaints about all those Viagra commercials at 6 PM---or don't you mind explaining "erectile dysfunction" to your five year-old daughter? And why is it that Ann is applauded for calling somebody a f* while Imus gets canned for calling somebody a h*? And how about her excuse that f* is just "a schoolyard taunt"---would she go to a schoolyard and holler "retard!" at a Downs Syndrome child?

I read this morning that Don Imus has been making $10 million a year for talking nasty. It sure sounds as if somebody's getting a kick out of hearing this talk.

CBS fires Imus is
the latest headline on Fox.

Imus
Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson make their livings off telling other people how to behave even though two more reprehensible people don't exist. They blackmail companys and individuals with protests and the threat of protests which the liberal media is happy to cover without ever telling the public that they are protests for profit. Remember a few years ago when Jackson admitted he had fathered a baby out of wedlock, the truth came out that his so called non profit organizations were supporting the mother. Another fact that the media barely covered was that one of Jackson's scholarship funds spent 99.9 percent on administration and though they had collected millions, less than $40,000 went to actual scholarships. They are running an old time protection scam. Pay me or I'll protest and their muscle is the phoney media. Free speech is not selective. If you listened to Imus' comment he actually was complimenting the Rutgers girls for their toughness. If you think he's racist why does he raise money to fight sicle cell anemia. If you don't like Imus don't listen. Anyone who thinks Sharpton and Jackson care about anythig but putting money in their own pockets is a fool.

Be nice
Be nice. The words Hillary Clinton will say to the President of Iran as he pushes that red button.

MSNBC
is still making money off of IMUS! They devoted the whole show this morning to discussing IMUS' getting fired. Can you spell
H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E-S?

Free speech is dead!
You are supposed to be able to say anything you want no matter how offended someone may get. Hell Rosie, Moore and Pelosi do it all the time. No one has a Right to never get offended!

The stupid and inane comment by youmakemelaugh2 are typical of the delusional Left. Why asshat trolls like it ever come here, only they can ever understand. Crawl back under your bridge you foul and traitorous beast!

reply to lilly
Conservatives love to hear such language on talk radio or read it in their favorite columnist for several reasons. One is the reason I gave in my post earlier: racial epithets and putdowns are a good old American tradition, and conservatives are supposed to defend tradition. Another reason is that it's such a good substitute for argument: you can use a racial slur and not have to worry about thinking too much. This too is deeply rooted in tradition. Third, yes, Ann Coulter probably would yell "retard!" at a person with Down Syndrome, just like some conservatives call amputees "crips."

Now just watch: some conservative is going to try his or her best to diss me for being a typical liberal. To which I say, that's fine.

Ann is very nice too.
So, it's okay with Ann if Imus calls her a ho. That's funny. But when he calls African-American women who are not in the public eye hos, he should apologize?

Imus should have apologized to no one. He was bullied by Sharpton and he was bullied by the media establishment he so loves to consider himself to be part of. And now here is Ann Coulter saying he should have apologized.

Imus should have asked the 'Reverend' why he hasn't been out talking to rap singers and record producers and people in the communities that he,Sharpton, claims to represent and demanding to know why those people celebrate the 'gangsta' culture that Imus was imitating.

Imus is a coward to have grovelled at the feet of Sharpton and the media. As for Ann Coulter, well, she is just being very nice about the whole thing.

reply to MCB
I'd heard of some of your examples, but not all of them. I can't imagine why any real conservative would have a problem with any of Imus's remarks. I mean, it's all in fun, and besides, why have all these nasty things lurking in our vocabulary if we can't use 'em to express ourselves. I am intrigued, however, at how quickly conservatives embrace what originated as a liberal riff on unlimited self-expression. The liberals never intended their take on self-expression to include racist bilge because they believed (hoped) that Americans had gotten beyond that. They were wrong, of course, as conservatives now give us lots of opportunitites to see.

Fergus McClennan, 10:33 AM
Priceless! Bravo!

I think I'll keep that one for a rainy day.

Gestell
"The liberals never intended their take on self-expression to include racist bilge because they believed (hoped) that Americans had gotten beyond that."

I see. So, freedom of speech doesn't count when it's speech we should have "gotten beyond" by now.

And, of course, you, and people who believe exactly what you believe, are the final arbiters of what speech we should have, and should not have, "gotten beyond."

Help me out, here: how do I distinguish the above distinction from "Free speech means you can say whatever Liberals approve of, and cannot say whatever Liberals disapprove of?"

No mo, HO, HO, HO!!!
Ann:

All is lost. We can no longer celebrate Christmas for fear somone will be politically incorrect and say HO!, HO!, HO! and someone might assume they are calling for 3 HO'S.

I can no longer do yard work. If I go in Home Depot and ask for a hoe, I am in fear of being arrested by the political correctness police.

Anyone out there read 1984?

RR

Here's what gripes my grits...
We've been complaining, and properly so, for decades about unacceptable entertainment that is dragging children into rampant sexuality, unbridled violence, complete disrespect for civilization, and a general disregard for humanity. But when we attempt to rein this in, we get push-back from the Left over "free speech."

Yet somehow, "free speech" concerns don't matter when the speech in question is racist speech. They're absolutely sanguine about not only curbing the speech, but utterly ruining the lives and careers of the speakers.

I conclude that the Left really doesn't care about free speech.

So we need to remember this incident. Because when they