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Wednesday, December 27, 2006
Ann Coulter :: Townhall.com Columnist
Kwanzaa: Holiday from the FBI
by Ann Coulter
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President Bush's Kwanzaa message this year skipped the patently absurd claim of years past that: "African-Americans and people around the world reflect on African heritage during Kwanzaa." Instead, he simply said: "I send greetings to those observing Kwanzaa."

More African-Americans spent this season reflecting on the birth of Christ than some phony non-Christian holiday invented a few decades ago by an FBI stooge. Kwanzaa is a holiday for white liberals, not blacks.

It is a fact that Kwanzaa was invented in 1966 by a black radical FBI pawn, Ron Karenga, aka Dr. Maulana Karenga. Karenga was a founder of United Slaves, a violent nationalist rival to the Black Panthers and a dupe of the FBI.

In what was probably a foolish gamble, during the madness of the '60s the FBI encouraged the most extreme black nationalist organizations in order to discredit and split the left. The more preposterous the organization, the better. Karenga's United Slaves was perfect. In the annals of the American '60s, Karenga was the Father Gapon, stooge of the czarist police.

Despite modern perceptions that blend all the black activists of the '60s, the Black Panthers did not hate whites. They did not seek armed revolution. Those were the precepts of Karenga's United Slaves. United Slaves were proto-fascists, walking around in dashikis, gunning down Black Panthers and adopting invented "African" names. (That was a big help to the black community: How many boys named "Jamal" currently sit on death row?)

Whether Karenga was a willing dupe, or just a dupe, remains unclear. Curiously, in a 1995 interview with Ethnic NewsWatch, Karenga matter-of-factly explained that the forces out to get O.J. Simpson for the "framed" murder of two whites included "the FBI, the CIA, the State Department, Interpol, the Chicago Police Department" and so on. Karenga should know about FBI infiltration. (He further noted that the evidence against O.J. "was not strong enough to prohibit or eliminate unreasonable doubt" -- an interesting standard of proof.)

In the category of the-gentleman-doth-protest-too-much, back in the '70s, Karenga was quick to criticize rumors that black radicals were government-supported. When Nigerian newspapers claimed that some American black radicals were CIA operatives, Karenga publicly denounced the idea, saying, "Africans must stop generalizing about the loyalties and motives of Afro-Americans, including the widespread suspicion of black Americans being CIA agents."

Now we know that the FBI fueled the bloody rivalry between the Panthers and United Slaves. In one barbarous outburst, Karenga's United Slaves shot to death Black Panthers Al "Bunchy" Carter and Deputy Minister John Huggins on the UCLA campus. Karenga himself served time, a useful stepping-stone for his current position as a black studies professor at California State University at Long Beach.

Kwanzaa itself is a lunatic blend of schmaltzy '60s rhetoric, black racism and Marxism. Indeed, the seven "principles" of Kwanzaa praise collectivism in every possible arena of life -- economics, work, personality, even litter removal. ("Kuumba: Everyone should strive to improve the community and make it more beautiful.") It takes a village to raise a police snitch.

When Karenga was asked to distinguish Kawaida, the philosophy underlying Kwanzaa, from "classical Marxism," he essentially explained that under Kawaida, we also hate whites. While taking the "best of early Chinese and Cuban socialism" -- which one assumes would exclude the forced abortions, imprisonment for homosexuals and forced labor -- Kawaida practitioners believe one's racial identity "determines life conditions, life chances and self-understanding." There's an inclusive philosophy for you.

(Sing to "Jingle Bells")

Kwanzaa bells, dashikis sell

Whitey has to pay;

Burning, shooting, oh what fun

On this made-up holiday!

Coincidentally, the seven principles of Kwanzaa are the very same seven principles of the Symbionese Liberation Army, another charming invention of the Least-Great Generation. In 1974, Patricia Hearst, kidnap victim-cum-SLA revolutionary, posed next to the banner of her alleged captors, a seven-headed cobra. Each snake head stood for one of the SLA's revolutionary principles: Umoja, Kujichagulia, Ujima, Ujamaa, Nia, Kuumba and Imani -- the same seven "principles" of Kwanzaa.

With his Kwanzaa greetings, President Bush is saluting the intellectual sibling of the Symbionese Liberation Army, killer of housewives and police. He is saluting the founder of United Slaves, who were such lunatics that they shot Panthers for not being sufficiently insane -- all with the FBI as their covert ally.

It's as if David Duke invented a holiday called "Anglika," and the president of the United States issued a presidential proclamation honoring the synthetic holiday. People might well take notice if that happened.

Kwanzaa was the result of a '60s psychosis grafted onto the black community. Liberals have become so mesmerized by multicultural nonsense that they have forgotten the real history of Kwanzaa and Karenga's United Slaves -- the violence, the Marxism, the insanity. Most absurdly, for leftists anyway, is that they have forgotten the FBI's tacit encouragement of this murderous black nationalist cult founded by the father of Kwanzaa.

Now the "holiday" concocted by an FBI dupe is honored in a presidential proclamation and public schools across the nation. The only principle Kwanzaa promotes is liberals' unbounded capacity to respect any faith but Christianity.

A movement that started approximately 2,000 years before Kwanzaa leaps well beyond collectivism and litter removal to proclaim that we are all equal before God. "There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus" (Galatians 3:28). It was practitioners of that faith who were at the forefront of the abolitionist and civil rights movements. But that's all been washed down the memory hole, along with the true origins of Kwanzaa.

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the 60's
there doesn't seem to be alot of good things that came out of the 60's.

Kwanzaa
You could even say that Kwanzaa is simply political correctness and the pathologies of the left being given holiday status.

Whites should celebrate Kwanzaa as well.
While it may be true that Kwanzaa adopts the principles of collectivization as defined by Marx, it is Karenga's added statement that Kwanzaa also has the underlying principle of white hatred that makes the holiday worth celebrating. African-Americans need their own special holiday in order to keep from being absorbed into the white culture that has held them down since the dawn of time. American whites, who represent oppression and slavery, embrace the ideals of capitalism and individualism. Therefore, in order to vigorously counter the oppressive white culture, the anti-capitalist principals of socialism and collectivism present in Kwanzaa must become the driving force behind every African-American. For only through Marxism has any group of people ever found true equality in a climate free from oppression. The celebration of Kwanzaa helps to turn away white ideology, and adding in a dose of hatred of whites only helps to ensure that white culture is kept at bay.

Ann Coulter seems to insinuate that the hatred that African-Americans have for whites is a negative thing, but such universal hatred of everything white is in reality quite innocuous. When a white hates a black, that is racism, is evil by its very nature, and should therefore be condemned. Conversely, when a black hates a white, that is an attitude that exist due to the oppression whites have always foistered upon blacks, and therefore the attitude is justifiable. Hence, white hatred is pure racism and intolerable, black hatred is justified and excusable.

Black hatred of whites is a healthy expression of dislike for their former slavemasters, and the fact that such hatred is celebrated is a wonderful thing. By recognizing the justified hatred and rejection of white culture that Kwanzaa represents, whites, out of a desire for atonement for their slave owning days, should be as eager as African-Americans when it comes to celebrating the holiday.

Not to dismiss Ann...
... but is this her second retread of this column or her third? I know she went with it in 2002, and again last year... but do we know if she has any other iterations under her belt?

That said, it's a good article, informative and helpful, and we can all use the reminder, since the P.C. absurdity that is Kwanzaa doesn't seem to be going away anytime soon. Sometimes what's needed is a repetitive trumpet blasting out the same note over and over til people get it.

Just would have been nice if Ann had done a little more than, quite literally, phone it in.

YEAH, BY GOD
We should all celebrate Kwanzaa.Get out those kobi hats and dashikis.Let's celebrate the cultural enslavement foisted upon us by the evil overseer. After all, it's all those liberals like John and Teddy and Nancy and Howard that are the bulwark between all of us and that cotton field. After all, as LD points out-and as Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson ennuciate time and time again, racism can only be practiced by 'those in power.' Marxism, hey, what a concept. Just the thought of us all standing on a line that we cannot see the end of because of the curvature of the earth to buy shoes out of the shoe store- excuse me- shoe ministry should be the glue that binds us all together.
Why, after that, we could go harvest the fruits of our labor on our hands and knees out in the fields. Americans don't want to do that type of work you say? Nonsense. Why, think of it. Not only could we be celebrating the principles of Kwanzaa, we could combine it with a 'Day Without White Folks.' Yeah, that's the ticket. We gather all the illegals- excuse me- undocumented immigrant workers and send them down to the hospitals - what am I saying? They're there already - the stock exchange, the courts, the various corporate Valhalla's that drive this nations economy and all other rookeries of white exploitation and symbols of evil capitalism.
Right on! That'll teach us. Then, and only then could we be guided by the hand of justice. By the force of righteousness. If that's not enough, maybe we could start huge parades of evil masters beating themselves with chains until the tear their skin. You know, like they do in enlightned Islam.
Brilliant observations and writing LD.
At long last I get it.

Another banty rooster move...
President "W", by his fawning all over the "Kwanzaa thing" is just engaging in a bit of patronization of the Afro-American bunch. It would be so nice if he had a "pair".

I'd bet that Jesus, Who is the Reason for the season, has been much more of a friend to the Afro-American crowd than has "St.? Kwanzaa". Why don't they just be Americans and celebrate Christmas like good christians do/or should do???!!!

Keep telling it like it Truly is, Ann! Your the Bomb!

Excuse me....
Ann. Make that - you're the Bomb!

Liberal Democrat
You just described the perfect formula for how to waste one's life. Sadly, you are so devoured by hate that you don't even know what I mean.

We are now in the 21st century. This is the century in which we now

lead our lives. Everything that happened before today, including yesterday, is PAST HISTORY. Life wasn't totally fair then, is not now, and won't be in the future. No exceptions are made for peoples of any race, religion and culture.

You were never a slave. I was never a slave-owner.

Please. Just stop lying to yourself. For all I know, you may be a metallurgical engineer, a skilled surgeon or a bio-chemist of any race. Yet, if that were so, you would hardly be squandering your energies on the bygone past.

We all have enough problems to deal with on a day-to-day basis. To heap past griefs on top of it all strikes me as masochism, described by a taste for suffering.

Standtall
I got a laugh from your colorful picture of life ala Loyal Democrat. Hopefully LD will also see the truth, albeit you cloak it with humor and sarcasm.

the symbol for Kwanzaa
Several days ago, I suggested that Kwanzaa needed a symbol. Though the Christmas tree is not genuinely the symbol of Christmas, the scripture does say in Gal. chapter 4: "cursed is everyone that hangs on a tree." This was quoted by Paul from the Tanak and refers to Christ's sacrificial death on the cross. So, though Christians don't embrace the Christmas tree wholeheartedly, at least they can remind themselves of some symbolism available. Next, the minorah, the symbol of Hanukah, is usually embraced by most Jews, and that holiday falls, roughly, about the same time as Christmas.
What to do about Kwanzaa? Since it's the "new kid on the block," so to speak, it really needs a good symbol. I proposed that the Kwanzaa celebrators use the the Yiddish word "shmok." This word, to most of us, is very foreign and exotic, and its true meaning might serve the holiday well. In airports brimming with Christmas trees, and hopefully minorahs, a dandy shmok could be erected too. Even the "rap" and "hip hop" cultures could embrace the shmok symbol. It might give an added face lift to this newest holiday, or could it simply be called a "facial." Though some might protest the insertion of a shmok symbol into Christmas and Hanukah season, it really symbolizes quite well the attempt to legitimize Kwanzaa.

Isn't "Christmas" a construct as well?
I'm glad Ann presented this hate-filled argument this week, because I agree in part. I believe firmly that we should not be encouraged to celebrate pre-packaged holidays just because some political, social, religious or commercial entity wants us to. For example, Mother's Day was originally a post-Civil War call for forgiveness, unity and peace for Mother's of veterans, but was promoted and commercialized by Hallmark and American Greetings Inc. during the 1950s in order to boost sales of cards, gifts, ornaments and trinkets of every type and variety. Today FTD spends millions making sure you'll feel stultifying pangs of guilt if you don't order flowers on this oh-so-extra-ultra-special day.

St. Valentine's Day has a most ironic origin, it was designed to steal the thunder of the more popular Lupercalia, a pagan 'festival of 'romance' held each February 15. The church officially declared February 14 a holiday in "honor" of a priest they themselves had beheaded on the same date many years earlier, for conducting illegal weddings against the wishes of the presiding "warrior pope" who wanted men to stay single so they could be more easily steered into the military.

And alas, Christmas. I invite comment here because there are differing opinions surrounding the origins of Christmas, the so-called holiest day on the Christian calendar. From what I know, it was, like Ann complains above, purposely manufactured for manipulation of the masses. Just as she likens Kwanzaa's originating principles to that of the SLA, the message of the Christian faith was delivered for centuries at the tip of a plunderer's sword, practicing the exact opposite of what it was supposed to be preaching and synthesizing it's holidays the very same way - to induce lemming-like behavior. For example, Jesus Christ is said to have actually been born during summer, March or September, but changing the "observed" date of his birth to December 25th effectively waged a public relations war against the wildly popular Saturnalia, or winter solstice festival, in which the masses uproariously celebrated nature and the harvest season.

Today, the modern American Christmas celebration typically consists of each family terminating (murder is such a harsh word) a young tree, dragging it into their homes where it dries out and dies, even though we've had declining air quality and timber shortages for decades and have widely forgotten about the many tree-planting initiatives made popular in the past. Then we string our houses up with electric lights, leaving them on all night to signal to our neighborhoods and communities how deepy we adore Christmas. This increase in demand, no matter how modest is again the opposite of the use-only-when-really-needed mindset we need to be teaching our young in the face of dire energy use shortfalls facing them. We also decorate our homes with all kinds of cheap, disposable paper and plastic decorations, which, though getting cheaper, still fill up bags and bags of garbage by January, out on the curb next to the discarded tree, and ultimately end up stuffing our rapidly shrinking landfills along with the mountains of discarded wrapping paper wads, injection-molded plastic packaging from Barbie, mounds of styrofoam, perfectly functional "fat" TV sets, and a few petrified fruitcakes.

Not to be a Scrooge, but the only reason we jump through these hoops is because our well-meaning parents and grandparents indoctrinated us into doing the same things they did when there weren't energy and waste management crises. Using a bit of wisdom here, are we prioritizing handed-down holiday tradition over our own children's well-being? You tell me if your community has more or less vacant landfill space then it did 25 years ago. I'd say it was a safe bet you were moving massive piles of unecessary crap from your local dollar store into your nearest dump every yuletide season.

Just as it's bad for the FBI to encourage radical blacks to celebrate seemingly ridiculous, arbitrary holidays, we need to re-evaluate the inertia of things we do in these routines. The FBI is not nearly as subversive as the all-points advertising campaign encouraging you and your kids to spend every last cent you have and buy into this media-hyped Christmas frenzy every year. There is nothing at all wrong with visting family and friends, gathering and gift giving, being creative, generous or compassionate on the days we all have off of work or school together, but let's not fool ourselves as to who is behind the Christmas "warmth", pushing it out at us earlier and earlier every year - the American economic engine that sells us what we need and then "markets" all the things we don't need.

If Jesus was, as accounts say, a devoted pacifict who renounced worldy possessions for a life of relection and preaching his gospel of peace, love and enlightenment, why do we celebrate his birth by a prolonged period of overeating, increased commerce and glorification of materialistic gratification? Seems very un-Jesus like to me, to teach our kids at young ages that the way to recognize Jesus' birth comes through shredding gift wrap to get to toys and gadgets.

This is just my opinion however, and I invite others to share their own. Unlike Ann Coulter who used this this holiday week forum to competively assert Christianity as superior to Kwanzaa, I'd ask if there are any historians present who recognize more of a similarity in the origins of the two holidays.

FergusMac is right!
I agree with Fergus. C'mon Ann. How many times are you going to write this article? I think that it's cut and pasted from last year's submission. I would bet that Secretary's Day is observed by more folks than Kwanzaa. It's below the radar of most people, since Christmas sucks all of the air from the room (in a commercial sense, of course). It's like worrying that St. Patrick's Day celebrations will turn out IRA supporters. OK, well maybe that's not a good comparison.

Why is Ann Coulter
making a big deal of this? Who cares about kwanzaa?
Most people don't even know about it. White people don't care. Black people don't know about this do they? I thought their holiday was Martin Luter King day?
The 60's had a lot of good things if you read your history books. I don't know why everyone makes the 60's sound horrible. There was the Beatles music and birth control started.

Women for the first time in history could have sex like men and not worry like men. I liked that so women could be more open and honest.

Ann Coulter is a righwingnut job. Every week she writes something dumber and of no interest to the average person. I don't know why so many people get upset over her.

Bush in a Peter Seller's movie
Good post Treadmilljoe, especially your question "DID HE FALL AND HIT HIS HEAD AFTER HE GRADUATED? IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO IDENTIFY WITH THE VERY STRANGE WOODEN MAN WHO IS CURRENTLY OUR PRESIDENT." Man you said it. I have been a conservative since 1964 and I have been trying to figure this guy out for six years. What is his universal common denominator? It isn't conservatism. He continues to amaze, bewilder and disappoint me.

As far as Kwanzaa goes, hopefully those who celebrate it will kill enough brain cells celebrating to forget about it some day.

Bush is just
stupid. He doesn't have any brain cells left after his alcoholic days. You know drinking that poison kills your brain cells and his have long been dead.
He can't talk as we all know. He can't fight a war right. We are fighting in the wrong place and making more terrorists everyday. He has caused a catastrophe in this country. Illegals are coming in by the droves and he wants them here for his big business buddies who get the cheap labor while Americans are losing jobs.
He won't talk to the enemies and try to get some peace established. Now he has caused a war in Somalia and Ethiopia. How much more damage can this man do. It is good the democrats are taking over and getting this mess cleaned up soon. And Bush won't have any power for the next two years. He is a complete failure.

pitbull
You need to get your head gear flushed out. You right wing nuts think farting in public and stinking up the place is a fun thing to do? That is a crass thing to suggest, but what could you expect coming from someone with a name like pitbull?

Loyal Democrat has a right to his opinion like everyone else. And, I don't blame Bush for my runny eggs but I do blame him for the next snow storm.
He should be able to talk to God and control the weather. At least he could be useful that way.

pitbull
pitbull, pitbull, you sure have your ideas about me all wrong. I don't burn in the back lot at class.I don't even go to class. You numbskull. I have a sense of humor. You didn't get the snow storm joke?

You've been working nights too long dude-O. Maybe some weed might help you. Especially if your bodily odors are that bad you need to light a match.

WWJD???
Valentine conducted "illegal weddings against the wishes of the presiding "warrior pope"...

What you put forth as FACT is a LEGEND. How much of what you say is, indeed, fact or legend?

As to the "media-hyped frenzy", I take that to mean the TV ads enticing children and adults alike that they MUST have these products. We are also swamped with the multitude of store ads which fill our Sunday newspapers weeks before Christmas.

Yes, Christmas has become way too commercialized. Yet, my parents and others also decorated their homes and bought gifts at Christmas time and this was in the 40s and 50s.

We, as children, also woke up Christmas morning to the MAGIC of a beautiful lighted and decorated Christmas tree. It was wonderful!

You certainly know that these trees are grown specifically for this use. It does not affect the growth of trees in general, including those used for other purposes.

Those "electric lights", burning all night long.
C'mon. Who do you know who keeps their indoor/outdoor Christmas lights on after they go to bed? And does the pleasure and heart-warming effect folks feel as they drive by these festive scenes mean anything? I think it does. Life isn't easy and there IS a value to whatever uplifts us in a positive way.

Addressing your distress of the shrinking landfills, the "cheap disposable paper" which ends up in the trash will be burned up. If anyone in the future has the unlikely desire to dig deeply into any landfill, I seriously doubt they will find Christmas wrapping paper.

As to the plastic stuff, what do you think is in my attic? Among my cherished Christmas decor lies some plastic ornamentations I often include in centerpieces, etc. They live in the attic. I bought them and I don't throw them out each year.

"Not to be a scrooge". I quote you, but you make a disclaimer that simply is not true. You DO present yourself as a "Scrooge". And I respond to you as someone who recognizes the difference between "need" and "want". Saving money is a must for me. I live within my means. Along with that, I realize that without enjoying any pleasures in life, it's hardly worth living. Truely, life is short.


Pitbull
You now call me a middle aged hipster. So what if that is what I am. You got something against middle aged people? We hipsters of the 60's fought for civil rights. Do you call that nothing? You probably aren't old enough to remember blacks having to sit in the backs of buses.

Then when the riots broke out we had to fight for the blacks who were getting their knees busted by white racist pig cops.

At least we fought for something.

pitbullsh*t
I really resent you calling me a 60's retread.
What are you a dumb Xgen or Ygen? You don't have the brains to fit on the top of a needle. You think because someone is middle aged they don't have any sense? You are very crude. At least back in the 60's there weren't crudities like the ones you suggested.
We didn't insult older people either. We had better things to do. There were many things to be accomplished in the country at that time. We fought for the issues in that time period. I don't see anyone doing any fighting here now. All I see are a bunch of numb nuts whining all the time, instead of getting up off their butts and doing something that would make a difference to the country.

We weren't materialistic. Instead we fought for people's rights. If we hadn't done that black people still would be held down.



WWJD???
What's wrong with you?

Don't you know that trees, Santa, and overconsumption are what Jesus was all about?

Save your twisted facts for next year's War on Christmas, Ebeneezer!

WWJD
I agree with your premise. All of the holidays have been made just for commercialism,to see how much money can be raked in. Christmas was never meant to be anything other than the celebration of the birth of Christ. But,we have been brainwashed into believing we need to buy a bunch of stuff we really don't need. Only big business profits from this, the rest of the people suffer with credit card debt and the true meaning of Christmas is gone.

In my family, we don't give gifts. We refuse to cave into the mass consumerism and profiteering.

Pitbull dude
DOB 63? As a child you witnessed the depravity?
Now, let's see, in 64 you were 1 year old. In 65 you were 2 years old. In 66 you were 3 years old.
You must have been a precocious child to see depravity at such a young age.

With birth control at least there was a reason to stop abortion which I don't agree with. As far as STDs go, that is a problem if you want to be stupid.
What are you square and sex starved?

No, I was not into free love dude. I had a strict upbringing even in the 60's. Not everyone who grew up in the sixties was a whacked out hippie. But since you assumed that was what I was I just played along with you.

We did fight for civil rights though. I think that was noble even if you don't.

You would be surprised if you only knew how much of a sense of humor I do have.


pitbull dude
You're getting too hyper now. Do you want to come over to my house and share my bong? Ho,ho.

Let's be friends, I kind of like you, your spirit.
I don't see too much of that these days with all the girlie men around.

Pitbull dude
I have to retire to my bed now, but just for your clarification I was never a pot smoker. So see I was funning you all along. And, you didn't think I had a sense of humor.

It isn't wise
to look too closely at almost anything. The Constitution was the product of some pretty shoddy compromises -- well, by "some" I mean "one": the three-fifths value of slaves as people. For this, shall we repudiate the product? That this made-up and ridiculous "holiday" has slimy roots and criminal creators isn't really an argument against it. Cf the "genetic fallacy." The embarassment would be that these characters are still walking around, and gain power by the rise of Kwanza. Bad thing, for scum to get credibility.

But 99% -- yes, my sources tell me that this made-up statistic is accurate -- of the folks who make something of Kwanza will not be aware of its odious undercurrents.

If it does not pull some little black kid away from a real religion, where's the harm? If he can imagine some pride in an African heritiage, how is this not a good thing? My family remembered Denmark, 120 later. Might a young black person have that same sense of rootedness? We would hope that something more honest and Amercian would rise up and replace it.

Until then, this will have to do. I could be wrong, but I still do wonder, where's the harm.


J
http://forgottenprophets.blogspot.com

Loyal Democrat...
... strikes again!

Yes... our resident "Liberal" being the best satirist here has claimed a few more victims.

For the uninitiated, "Loyal Democrat" poses as a liberal and writes these satires to expose just how lame a truly indoctrinated libdolt might view the world.

LD... thanks again for some laughs!

Primus54
What scares the crap outta me is that what LD writes, libdolts actually BELIEVE!

The fact that they VOTE should scare the beejesus out of the rest of us!

uh, Johnny?
How exactly did W cause the current war in Somalia? I thought that was the product of the UN and $lick Willie. They're the ones who went in half-butted and ran away when they noticed that the Skinnys were shooting real bullets!
As for civil rights and not keeping the black man down...Eisenhower integrated the schools (101st Airborne escorted the Central High Seven to school). GOP Reps and Senators were vital in passing the Civil Rights Acts and Voting Acts. Dim-ocrats keep the entitlement programs going, which have only succeeded in making a PERMANENT underclass completely loyal to the massahs that propose more $$ for freeloaders. Dim-ocrats oppose education reforms that would give the poor a fighting chance in today's world. (remember, give a man a fish and feed him for a day, but teach a man to fish and feed him for life) Dim-ocrats refused to order the evacuation of southern Louisiana before Katrina. Dim-ocrats refused to use thousands of school busses to get the folks out of Ninth Ward before the storm hit. Dim-ocrats refused to let the National Guardsmen of other states stage their people and equipment so they'd be ready to help after the storm hit. Dim-ocrats voted to keep a Congresscritter who had $90K in bribe money in his freezer. Dim-ocrats vote for moonbats like Cynthia McKinney and Sheila Jackson Lee.

Loyal Democrat, Primus54, GunnyG
I have shortness of breath after reading LD's posts, mainly because I'm laughing so hard. The best part is, he keeps a perfectly straight face while following a "progressive" policy train of thought to its logical conclusion. The fact that the conclusion is never logical is, of course, the point he's making in doing so.

We have to get him to write a book. Call it "The World According To Gap". (After all, all true progressives shop there, don't they?)

Oh, and PS to pitbull;

One sure way to spot a leftover 1960s issue progressive, either original or wannabee;

They still use "man" as a form of address, as in, "You got a ponytail, you gotta be with us, MAN!" (Exact quote found on HotAir Vent video.)

And of course, their generally decrepit grammar, as seen here.

Memo to all overage Woodstock burnout cases;

Bell-bottoms, peace signs, flowered vests, and tied-dyed anything are, like, so three decades ago. Dude.

Happy New Year, everyone.

cheers

eon

GunnyG
Not only do they vote, but thay actually believe they are "mainstream" Americans.

There is an interesting article in the current National Review talking about some states reverting to paper ballots because of the "potential" for malfunction and "fraud" with touch-screen systems. The irony is that, except for a Florida congressional race, you don't hear too many Dems claiming voter fraud where they won.

When they win - all is as it should be. When they lose - it just HAS to be fraud because we all know Dems are supposed to win! What a freakin' mindset!

Kwanzaa in The Pacific WWII
Kwanzaa was so important that the SeaBees erected Kwanzaa huts through the Pacific Islands during WWII. (LOL)

Re: the article reprint
One wonders if Ann gets paid for just resubmitting the same article every Christmas(yep, Fergus, this is at least the third time; regardless of the fact that it's factual, it also suggests that every Christmas Coulter turns off the brain).

And WWJD -- the most important holiday on the Christmas calendar is Easter, not Christmas. This rehashing of the origins of Christmas we get every year (Saturnalia, etc.) is tiresome. Next we'll hear about Easter being a recycled fertility festival. So what? It's WHY these things are celebrated these days (to commemorate the birth and resurrection of Christ). I suppose it's lucky that Christians didn't arbitrarily decide to celebrate Christmas on Hitler's birthday, because you guys would forget all about Saturnalia.

In any case, Ann -- we've read this one. Give your readers something else.

Ann, I admit, I learned a lot today!
I never knew where Kwaanza came from but I saw a lot of New Age Marxism in it, and it worried me.
Thank you for your insightful coverage of this issue. I will now share this information with my children so they do not get caught up in the hype over this made-up holiday.
As Christians, we are called to honor God and His Son Jesus Christ and to celebrate a made-up Christmas replacement is definitely not honoring Christmas.
Ann, I know you do not care but thank you for courageously speaking out against these phony baloney liberal activist loud mouths. Political correctness is complete lunacy and foolishness.
God Bless You Ann, and Happy New Year!

Pitbull
Thanks for a good laugh. (:-D)

Most important day
WWJD

Christmas, the so-called holiest day on the Christian calendar: WRONG

The Holiest Day on the CHristian Calendar is EASTER SUNDAY. The day that the our Savior rose from the dead. Therefor fulfilling the promise of eternal life.

Christmas is a birthday celebration. We give gifts to eachother because we can't present them to the Child whose birthday we celebrate.

Pitbull
When you deal with the likes of Mr. johnny, it's good to remember the words of Proverbs 26:11:

As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.

HEY!
Y'all are invited to check out my blog article (click on my handle).

The ALZ's noted shrink, Dr Curly Howard, has revealed his study on liberal angst and why they suffer from it!

eon
Check my blog (click on my handle) for a pictoral history of liberals. Take note of the old hippie I have posted there. In regards to Apollyon67's view of "there doesn't seem to be alot of good things that came out of the 60's."

I have to agree. Bubba and Hitlary are 60's hippies.

pitbull
Thanks for the kudos.

I realized my error AFTER I posted that photo of Lynne Stewart. It was BREAKFAST TIME in America!

Sorry all. I hope her chin whiskers don't make you blow chow!

Now just a minute Pitbull
This lout from the hills of Western Pennsylvania was born too close to Punxatawney to give up 2 February. How about 3 February and maybe we could work it up to a 4 day weekend?

Loyal Democrat... are you for real?
Are you a satirist posing as a left-wing liberal as some have suggested? I can't imagine anyone really believing the things you write!

pitbull
I was gonna put a few others up, like Susan Estrich aka Screecher Creature, Janet Reno, and Andrea Dworken, but I figured that might be going a tad overboard. The point is well-made, liberal women are ugly enough to make a freight train take a dirt road.

pitbull
ah, that's not the SAME Taco Bell that Putin was working at when that spy got a dash of polonium in his grilled stuffed burrito?

pitbull
I did not know that the hag had anything new out. I wouldn't read it anyway, especially in bed, since the book might fall out of my hands, her picture would show, I'd see it as I drifted off to sleep, and I'd have nightmares all night long. As an security analyst I NEED my sleep!

Pitbull
Agreed. I now commence restraining myself in anticipation of the big blowout commencing as Punxatawney Phil sticks his head out of his hole.

JackH
Grrrr.... you have no idea how often it infuriates me when some uninformed nincompoop repeats the old "3/5s of a person" saw.

The historical significance of the 3/5 compromise was NOT to denigrate black slaves as less than human. Rather, it was a compromise over numbers-counting for representation in the CONGRESS. Slave owners wanted their slaves to be counted as full people - at least for the purposes of determining how many representatives slave-owning states should be given in the U.S. Congress. Northern states, recognizing that slaves were, from a political standpoint, mere beasts of burden, did not want them to be counted at all for this purpose; one might as well count sheep, horses and cows as well. This debate threatened to end the Union before it even began... so the Founders crafted the 3/5ths Compromise.

Do we understand now????

FergusMacLennan
I had to tell my kids the same thing since they got MISinformed in school. Or should I say, NOT informed in school. My daughter came home a few years ago stating that the Civil War was fought over slaves and I had to frigging reeducate her that it started for state's rights and THEN went to a war against slavery.

The way libs twist history is enough to pizz off the Pope.

Please Pitbull
I have engaged in fire control the whole of my private and professional life. You insult me, sir. I seriously doubt your good scents.

Which is the made up holiday?
Let's see. Kwaanza is a made up PC holiday and we should loathe it. While at the same time, we should celebrate the birthday of a God born of a virgin, a God that walked on water, turned water to wine and rose from the dead.

Now remind me, which is the made up holiday again????

WWJD???
I'd almost be inclined to respond to much of your nonsense point by point but the mere fact that used the term "murder" to describe cutting down a tree pretty much negates the value of debating you.

Wow.

As far as all the "Christ" was born in Summer and a December celebration has pagan roots garbarge, it's the same tired stuff we hear from Christian-bashers year in and year out. When Christ was actually born has no bearing on Christians simply celebrating the fact the he WAS, in fact, born. Of all the Christians I know that celebrate his glorious birth, I don't know any that are actual pagans in disguise, so your point is just foolish. If your overall point is that we should cease celebrating it in such a commercial fashion, you should start a movement because I'd be one of your devoted followers, but just because we've corrupted a wonderful event, that's our fault. Ann's point is that the root of the Kwanzaa holiday is bad in it's stated beliefs.

I don't think anyone really takes Valentine's Day and more serious than Secretary's Day. If you choose to pick out a nice card to tell your distant grandmother or aunt that you love them, I don't think there's any evil that comes from it.

That's a FAR cry from a supposedly serious holiday that has it's roots in Marxism, among the most murderous ideologies mankind has ever seen.

By the way, there's no energy shortage. Are you still living in the Carter years when that myth was trendy crisis of the day???

made up holiday
you answered your own question...we celebrate the birth of the Son of God

pitbull
National Feast of Lanterns day????

Pitbull
didn't you mean

FFOL? (Free-fire on liberals day)

pitbull
Got it.

I recommend a pickled egg/Guiness Stout blend for those packed with liberals elevator trips!

My own holiday
DMD day. It's celebrated on the second day of the new year. A day where we acknowledge that we're really just a bunch of monkeys. Monkeys that can type, monkeys that can build houses and home, monkeys that can think abstractly, monkeys that can remotely kill other monkeys, monkeys that can sing. But on this day, I just sit back and enjoy being a monkey. Dance! Monkey! Dance!!!!

ps...Ann isn't a monkey....she's a robomonkey, no dancing there

Crawfish and fiddler
I am not a democrat. I am independent. You assume things just like pitbull.
And, fiddler you are crude too like pitbull's comment. Talking vomit.

Bush is a failure. Anyone can see that if they don't have right wing blinder on. You right wing nut jobs are not only blind but you act like bats swooping down to suck blood out of people who don't think like you do. Any opinion that doesn't match yours is considered vomit or discountable.

And, you talk about other people and how dumb they are. Your group think is so dumb even a child could see you are all just mimicking one another.

And, you stoop to such low and crude language.
It doesn't give the right wing a good reputation reading this stuff.

RE: 'Loyal Dems' earned hatred

Loyal Democrat wrote:


--"When a white hates a black, that is racism, is evil by its very nature, and should therefore be condemned. Conversely, when a black hates a white, that is an attitude that exist DUE TO THE OPPRESSION whites have always foistered upon blacks, and therefore the attitude is justifiable. Hence, white hatred is pure racism and intolerable, black hatred is justified and excusable." (caps are mine-RC)

Well, now we're getting some place! Because, by the same token, the hatred that some conservatives feel for 'Loyal Dems' of most ilk is demanded by the fact that those Dems have chosen to disrespect the very essence of America, by lieing about our heritage, the words and intentions of our Founders, and even the very facts of our national history.

Dems, on the other hand, have no justification for hating conservatives, becaue it was the Dems who turned on their own country to embrace all forms of socialism, communism, and progressivism.

Dems deserve the hatred they receive, and they do NOT deserve any of the endless civility that our conservative leadership heaps on their puny service to this great nation.

So these Dems ought to stop their sniveling and whining, because they have brought the hatred, distrust, and condemnation of real Americans onto themselves, by revealing their hatred of America, which is the root of their treason.














































































pitbull
white rice and kimchee. Lots of kimchee.

The fumes are raw enough to cause upper respiratory inflammation! I use it when liberal relatives drop in to freeload. Knocks their visit from a few months to a few hours!

Ann - Happy New Year!

Thanks for being a “Watchman on the wall.” The common exhortation from Holocaust survivors and their supporters is, “Lest we forget.” Despite the fact, many of us know of Kwanzaa’s inauspicious origin, there are also, many, who are unaware. And then there are those like WWJD who are disposed to give merit to anything that detracts from Christianity and the message of Christ that are all too willing to embrace this nonsense. Still can’t figure out his/her meaning for WWJD? White Woman Jewess Diva? Never considered it might be a descriptive for the personals... Hmmmm?

Again, Happy New Year! Here’s wishing you God’s richest blessings for the coming year.

BTW – I wrapped everything this year, including my two sons’ embossed aluminum long gun cases. It was great to see their expressions, as they tore ALL the paper away to expose the treasures hidden underneath. Not to worry though; the paper never made it to the landfill – I burned it in my fossil fueled fireplace.

LibDem dummy
Why do blacks "need thier own holiday?"
What is wrong with "absorption into Amercian Culture"?

Blacks and all Americans have MLK day to celebrate our advances in Civil Rights.

Why does LibDem want to perpetuate balkanizing separation of Americans by race?

Can we make up a "holiday" for any group we choose and have the President give a "message" that focuses on the sick sub-set fixation of liberals? We are ALL Americans! U.S. Citizens and legal immigrants that is ;-)

Cutter Bench
Nice.

The little missus got me a nice spotting scope and another 1000 rds of 30.06 from CMP.

Next Christmas, I'll have to drop a nice hint for an aluminum long gun case.

CPT Freedom
I'm proposing a holiday.

That is, "Take a liberal shooting day."

There are only two requirements.

1. They have to be a registered Dhimmicrat.

2. You have to give them a 100 yard head-start.

Kwanza = Festivus for the Rest of Us
I am wondering why people take this festival seriously.

It is obviously unrelated to Christmas but was deliberately established at this time of year to lure Blacks away from Christianity.

If it is made up, and could be celebrated at any time, why not choose a date when nothing is going on? Why not choose August, when the entire country of France is on vacation for the whole month? You could pretend that France is having the vacation in honor of Festi... oops, I mean Kwanza.

No, in typical Leftie style, the founders of Festi... oops, I mean Kwanza, want to eliminate all trappings of Christianity from the public square. After all, isn't religion the "opiate of the people?"

How can you be proud
of giving your children gun cases for Christmas?
Christmas is the birth of Christ and you talk about guns. And, so does GunnyG, bullet man.

Such hypocrisy from the right wing. Guns and Christmas, now that's a vilely different way to celebrate the peace of Christ

You think you are a big man GunnyG talking about shooting liberals. Don't you know murder is against the ten commandments? And,against the law?

You will be spending your time at Leavenworth before we know it and your hate speech will be left for only other prisoners like yourself. Just remember you can't keep your guns in prison and you better watch the bullets from your mouth. You might end up with something brutal happening to you.

More on Kwaanza silliness
For you liberals who know nothing about history and other cultures (that's about 98% of you):
Another silly aspect of Kwaanza involves the use of Swahili to "celebrate" the African-ness of the descendants of West African slaves. Swahili is a Bantu language spoken in East Africa. It is unrelated by a time depth of over 6,000 years (meaning that no connection can be establish beyond conjecture) to the West African languages spoken by the ancestors of American "Afro-Americans." Swahili is a language that can be connected with no East African tribal group and apparently had its genesis as a trade language made necessary by the slave trade between Arabs and East African blacks who sold other East African blacks into slavery.
If any African language served as a lingua franca among West African blacks, it was Wolof which is still spoken in Senegal. In fact, there are records of Wolof being used a lingua franca among African slaves in America. There is no grammatical nor lexical similarity between Swahili and Wolof. They are as similar as Turkish and Chinese.
Kwaanza is as silly as if I made up a holiday to celebrate my mainly German and Celtic genetic origins by using Georgian (Stalin’s native language) because it is a Caucasian language while dressing up in the clothing style Ottoman royalty.

Gunny:

Happy New Year!

At 100 yards with a 30.06? They better have plenty of natural cover, or know how to bob and weave. I'm never more than an inch off center with a stationary target. But I'm guessing that's your point?!

johnny
You are obviously a self-loathing white. You need some serious counseling, preferably from a Christian therapist.

pitbull
thank you!

I was fixing to box up a crying towel for the pablum-puker.

waaaaa, it's Christmas, don't talk about guns...whaaa, whaaa.

I guess I shouldn't say that my 11 y.o. son just got his first rifle on Christmas huh johnny.

pitbull/CB
That was a typo. Should have been 1000.

My burst.


GunnyG
I'm not surprised you gave your son a gun for Christmas. You worship guns, not God.
And, I doubt you can hit anything with your guns. You probably use the biggest one you can get so you don't miss because the only thing you shoot off is your big mouth. Every post you write is about guns and killing people.
And, then you people call me an idiot and I need counseling. At least I don't go around threatening people like GunnyG who is a big mouth with no action. It's easy for GunnyG to post these hateful things when he hides behind his computer. Or do you keep your guns nearby GunnyG just in case a liberal breaks into your realm thought? Moron.

GunnyG says:
"thank you!"
Go to Hollywood and become a star where you can have a whole fan base of dummies for your belches of nonsense. You would fit right in with Sean Penn and his rants. You could fight one another since you are on different sides of the fence.

"I was fixing to box up a crying towel for the pablum-puker."
That's nice of you. I imagine the crying towel would be full of grenades.More 6 year old potty talk, puke. Do you have any other words in your vocabulary?

"waaaaa, it's Christmas, don't talk about guns...whaaa, whaaa."
So childish. Why don't you grow up and become an adult. This sounds like a grade school bully.
Maybe that is what you really are a grade school bully getting on here posting trying to act like some big tough guy but you are really just a wuss.

"I guess I shouldn't say that my 11 y.o. son just got his first rifle on Christmas huh johnny."

If I were you I would not admit to giving a gun to my son for Christmas but you don't have any brains to go along with your big bad mouth.

johnny
You really do need some Christian counseling to cure you of your psychological problems.

Johnny
Sorry Johnny, but I have to take issue with several of your post.

The 60's gave us birth control and The Beatles. Yes, birth control has been a benefit with regards to family planning. I don't know that giving women the opportunity to behave like men with respect to sexual activity, has been a good thing for society. I suspect that our society might have experienced a greater benefit if men were as selective as women regarding where they docked the boat. As for the Beatles, phewwy. The Beatles simply took the style of Chuck Barry and repackaged it with four white lads from Liverpool. Lennon's lyrics are hackneyed at best. McCartney couldn't (and I believe still can't) read music, so his composition consisted of plunking it out for somebody else to write down.

As for George W. Bush being a failure in office, the sad fact is that he can't do those things that will make his administration successful. Everybody points to WWII as the benchmark for how a war should be conducted. In WWII the enemy was defined. Our current "War on Terror" is a war against a tactic, not a defined enemy. Imagine the howling from the MSM if President Bush incorporated the following into a major speech.

"My fellow Americans, we are at war against fanatical Muslims who seek to kill us simply because we are not Muslim. While not all Muslims have adopted this fanatical interpretation of their faith, the dominance of Wahabbi and Shiah factions within the governments of Saudi Arabia, Syria, Jordan and Iran virtually insure that we will be in a state of war until such time that we have achieved regime change in these countries. While these governments are willing to negotiate, we must realize that those negotiations will yield but a temporary respite from the hostilities that we face. We cannot negotiate with people whose objective is our elimination. With the elimination of Western Judeo-Christian based civilization, the ideas of free speech, self preservation, the rule of law, self government, protection of minorities and individual rights, will cease to exist upon this earth. This is a fight for our survival, the only real question is how do you want your children to live?"

Yes, President Bush would be labled a war monger. The UN would tut tut that the US was being mean to those poor misunderstood Muslims, and 60% of the electorate (all the liberals and 1/2 of the moderates who shudder at being labeled "mean" by the UN) would immediately call for the Resignation, Impeachment and possible Hague Indictment of President Bush.

Sorry Johnny, if you want to label the current administration a failure, that is your right as an American Citizen. Your responsibility, on the other hand, is to propose a viable alternative.

Kindest regards.

Johnny - Lighten up

I’m proud that I raised my boys to be men. The fact that I gave them gun cases just might indicate that they have… Hmmm… Guns!!! Do you suppose it’s prudent for them to secure their weapons? Liberals, who can figure them out??? And are you speaking of the same Christ that said, “I came not to bring peace but a sword?” The same one that made a whip out of rope an drove the money changers from the temple and overturned their tables? Would that be the Christ of whom you speak? You do know that He did evntually leave the manger and grew up. And He was a man, at that, a manly man.

Ron Karenga tortured young black women
This nut also tortured people, full story below.
This comunist was also crazy...

Well that was a stupid statement...
Crazy Comunist..I crack me up. ( :
That would be like dumb lib..
Why do I state the obvious...I need breakfast, and coffee...

http://www.nathanielturner.com/karenga2.htm

johnny
pretty good. Hey, I got my first gun at 12. And you know what johnny BOY, TED KENNEDY has killed MORE people than ANY of my guns.

Seeing as how I was recently exiled to Siberia with Mountain Rose, BrianR, and Pistol aka Savage99, I don't think I'm threatening anyone. I've been reedumacated.

We're just poking fun libdolt so quit whining, you'll end up vomiting up your pablum. No one here wants to kill liberals, they provide us with too much entertainment!

I don't worship guns but I do enjoy shooting and hunting as do many conservatives. It's a fun sport and I myself have converted 15 former libs to the 2d Amendment cause teaching basic marksmanship at a local range.

I'd say I'm a pretty good shot. My personal best in Division Matches was 19 out of 20 in the bullseye, in the prone position (that's laying down to you), at the 600 yard line, with the open iron sights (no scope) of an off-the-shelf M16A2.

How about you? A shooter or afraid of mean ol guns like a lot you metrosexuals seem to be?

Surprised to disagree with Ann
Ann says: "Despite modern perceptions that blend all the black activists of the '60s, the Black Panthers did not hate whites."
**********************************

I know that Ann is younger than I am (unless she has a darn good esthetician), so I don't think she remembers the radical Blacks from the '60s.

But having had Leftie parents in the '60s, I remember seeing them around, and feel that they DID hate whites.

Before I tell my story, let me say I know many middle class Blacks who are great people, because they are NOT crazed Leftie activists.

But the '60s radicals were a different story. My mom started out nobly. She was involved in registering people to vote in our area, and we even had our garage used as a polling place a couple of times. Of course that meant that Republicans had to darken our door as well, so that didn't last long.

But her biggest longing at that time was to be sure that black people were allowed to register, since they were being "prevented" in the South through literacy tests.

Since we lived in a white-flight suburb, there were no black people to register. There was a settlement of Mexicans, who worked in the fields, in the next small city, but apparently her largess did not apply to them.

Before living there, we had lived in an area close to LAX, which had plenty of Blacks to satisfy my parent's liberal leanings, but they felt the need to move away from the inner city with the rest of the "Whities" in the early 1960s.

So with typical Libster guilt, they had to import some blacks. They got involved in a group called "Black & White Dialogues," in which we volunteered our home for a series of meetings.

The Blacks who came to our home were all young black men wearing "fros" and dashikis. The only impression I had of them was that they seemed to hate us, and expressed themselves by yelling at us. For what? Because my mom wanted to register them to vote? My parents behaved obsequiously in return.

I went in the next room to watch TV. One of them came in the room to harrass and menace me (I was a little girl, and was frightened).

This is why it was no surprise to me when I saw the Black activists become anti-semetic, in spite of all the help that Jewish activists gave them to overcome Jim Crow laws. I saw the hate toward "Whitie" first hand. Why wouldn't they turn on the Jews too?

Since I have been an adult, I have gotten to know a lot of normal black people through workng with them. Thank goodness, because until that time the only image of black people I had was the radicals I met in that series which was held in my home.

But activists? I think that they are being taught to hate, and until hate crime laws apply both ways it is not going to get better.

John-of-Gilknockie
If nothing else, that putrid song of Lennon's "IMAGINE" is a legacy from the 60's. Good post.

Kwanzaa

.....Ann...

.....I think that Kwanzaa is the perfect holiday for blacks who have an affinity for Marxist/Socialism and who need a vehicle to vent their hatred for white people ...

.....Bush's 41 and 43 are intellectual dolts from a gene pool that thinks it is manly to sob in public ...that we can create a "kinder/gentler" society through social engineering ...and that Islam and Democracy are compatible ideologies .....COLOSSUS

Jack
That was great' LOL
I lived in a quanset hut in Korea, I had no idea it was built by the Kwanzas, they have built a shadow gov. all over the world.
LOL
Have a great new year.

Good one
Another lively read. She's the best. That wacky kwanzaa.... yet another reason to end the government's control over the education system. Why do all these lefty nutjobs/convicted felons end up as "teachers" or "professors". Competition in the business of educating our children will end the hold that the left has on our national social discourse.

solar
No no, I think that Seebees built the Kwanzaa huts and the Marines liberated the Kwanzas on the island of, Kwanza, in 1944 or 45.

johnny
"It doesn't give the right wing a good reputation reading this stuff."

You're right. We should all watch our mouths, since your love and respect is all we really want.

By the way, just how much time do the guards give you on the computer, anyway?

Johnny
Grow a sense of humor. And while you're at it, why don't you try actually reading something with some legs? Not the most recent Al Franken book, but something by a real thinker; I recommend Burke, Locke, Kant, von Mises, Adam Smith... you know, writers who have intellectual staying power!

Might also try some Sun Tzu or Bismarck, to make more sense of the global situation.

See, what folks like GunnyG and others on this site have, that you seem to lack, is genuine historical perspective. You may not be a Democrat, but you sure as heck read like a Leftist, falling into all the same old leftist traps of blabbing the same old tired rhetoric. You are in with ADULTS now, sonny, and adults think things through.

Oh, and again, try out a sense of humor for size... you might find that extra layer keeps you warmer.

GunnyG
LOL
Am I getting an education today.
All these years, I thought Kwanza was disease transmitted verbally, and it caused extreme stupidity, they call the damageg caused by it liberalism...
Or was it a rodent in Australia, and they named an airline after it..
Oh my god I must be getting kwanza, im getting stoopid..( :

Johnny: PS
Going back to your first post, you know, the one where you pulled out the hackneyed old "Bush is stupid" line... you know what Bush was doing, when he supposedly "dodged" Vietnam, right?

He was flying interceptor jets. You wanna know how many dumb people are capable of flying the jets that he flew? Zero. Moreover, he flew a jet with a tendency to roll over on take-off now and then... he flew it in zero visibility, on instruments... you know how many cowards are willing to step into that cockpit and take that particular bird up? That's right, zero.

So if you are mystified why all of us "right wing nuts" are failing to take you at all seriously... it's because you made yourself ridiculous, and made your ignorance plain and obvious, right from the first words out of your keyboard. Well done.

GunnyG writes:
"pretty good. Hey, I got my first gun at 12. And you know what johnny BOY, TED KENNEDY has killed MORE people than ANY of my guns."

I don't like Ted Kennedy. More of your assumptions. See what I mean about you not thinking and you shoot your mouth off?

"Seeing as how I was recently exiled to Siberia with Mountain Rose, BrianR, and Pistol aka Savage99, I don't think I'm threatening anyone. I've been reedumacated."

What were you guys in Gulags?

"We're just poking fun libdolt so quit whining, you'll end up vomiting up your pablum. No one here wants to kill liberals, they provide us with too much entertainment."
Oh, I see you think poking fun at people is good sport. What a childish thing to do. If you don't want to kill liberals then why do you keep saying it? Not everyone thinks it's funny. You just sound mean and childish. Your poking fun is not even entertaining. Your hatred comes over loud and clear. Poking fun at people is a form of aggression and hostility which is oozing from your big mouth and senseless blabber.


"I don't worship guns but I do enjoy shooting and hunting as do many conservatives. It's a fun sport and I myself have converted 15 former libs to the 2d Amendment cause teaching basic marksmanship at a local range."

Oh, what a big man you are, converting people to the 2nd amendment. I am not a lib, I am an independent. I don't believe in following group think on elections. I believe in the Constitution much to I'm sure your "surprise".


"I'd say I'm a pretty good shot. My personal best in Division Matches was 19 out of 20 in the bullseye, in the prone position (that's laying down to you), at the 600 yard line, with the open iron sights (no scope) of an off-the-shelf M16A2."

Oh, so you once again have to brag on yourself.
What's the matter GunnyG, didn't your mama give you enough praise and adoration when you were a little boy, so you have to make sure you tell everyone how "good" you are at things. It sounds pathetic. Or maybe your papa was a homosexual a hated thing by right wingers so you feel like you have to make up for that.

"How about you? A shooter or afraid of mean ol guns like a lot you metrosexuals seem to be?"

No, I'm a shooter and I believe in the 2nd amendment. I'm not a metrosexual, another assumption on your part because I don't agree with you giving guns for Christmas. Why do you have to give a "gun" for Christmas. You couldn't give it some other time of year instead of teaching your son Christmas and guns go together.
That seems very strange to me, but then you sound like a strange person altogether.

solar
I think the Kwanza bird originated on Borneo and then flew to Brooklyn.

I'll have to email John Kerry, he's pretty educated, he'll know! Wait. He was in the military and thus, in his words, is stupid. I'll email Hillary, she's the smartest woman in the world. Better yet, I'll email Bubba, he DODGED the draft so he's GOTTA be a brainiac.

Poor american liberal
Showing his ignorance in magnitude in discounting and not knowing the Son of God was born and lived and died for him also--someday he may come to realize that fact and accept it--we will welcome him into the family--just as Jesus does.Ever hopeful for even liberals ---

Fergus
"Oh, and again, try out a sense of humor for size... you might find that extra layer keeps you warmer."

A sense of humor eh? Your idea and all the other posters who poke fun at me is what you call humor?'
I bet to differ. Your humor is hostility, not a warm blanket. You can kid yourself what you and other posters display on here is humor when it is just meanness.

Yes I called Bush stupid because he lets all these illegal immigrants run into this country. Do you agree with him on that? I thought a right wing person for the most part wants illegal immigration stopped.

And, actually Fergus I do know what Bush did during Vietnam. It would probably shock you to know I voted for Bush who has turned out to be a huge disappointment to me. I thought he was going to fight this war on islamic fascism. But, he is looking like a coward every day.

Do you keep supporting him after all the things he has done to hurt the country.


Johnny: an FYI
"I'm not a liberal I'm an Independent"

"Democrat" is a political affiliation, so saying that you are in fact an Independent makes sense.

"liberal" on the other hand is an intellectual persuasion; simply stating that you are an Indpendent does not exclude yourself from being a liberal.

Since you don't seem up on basic concepts of logic, I thought I'd begin to educate you.

"I believe in the Constitution".

So you say... but then, so say many who in fact commit assaults on the Constitution every day. If you wish to persuade anyone, you should be more specific. For example, in the case of your "debate" with GunnyG... what do you believe the proper interpretation of the Second Amendment to *be*?

Finally... it's a bit precious of you to jab at GunnyG for his markmanship skills, then petulantly whine about how he's bragging on himself when he gives you his actual stats.

johnny
Why do you have to give a "gun" for Christmas. You couldn't give it some other time of year instead of teaching your son Christmas and guns go together.

Is there a set of rules on gifts for Christmas? If so, can you provide a link? You seem so knowledgable that I want to be JUST LIKE YOU when I grow up. Thanks.

John-of-Gilknockie

....If Bush or any president had made that speech I would respect him for his courage and honesty ...

.....Question: Would Ronald Reagan have made that speech?...BTW where the heck is Gilknockie? .....COLOSSUS

Johnny
"A sense of humor eh? Your idea and all the other posters who poke fun at me is what you call humor?' I bet [sic] to differ. Your humor is hostility, not a warm blanket. You can kid yourself what you and other posters display on here is humor when it is just meanness."

1. You constantly upbraid GunnyG et al for their assumptions about you... and yet you just went and made an assumption about me. I didn't say I found pitbull's and GunnyG's teasing of you funny. I just said you should adopt a sense of humor. They are two different things.

Part of HAVING a sense of humor is being able to absorb the teasing of others without letting it get to you - without regard to whether or not it is actually funny. Another part of having a sense of humor is not taking seriously that which is not MEANT to be taken seriously - and recognizing the distinction. You have failed at both of these.

2. "meanness" - Grow up. Yes, some of the teasing is mean-spirited. So what? That's the way of the world, kiddo, and you need to have a thicker skin than what you're demonstrating. You claim to have been around and fought for Civil Rights in the 60s, but by your writing style, you seem more like 12-15. Again, grow up. People are mean, deal with it and get over it.

As for Bush: he is our President, and so yes, I support him, unless and until a better alternative comes along. No, I don't agree with him about his Immigration policies - but that's called a difference of opinion. Grown ups can have those without calling each other "stupid," as you have done.

GunnyG
Ask Johnny' he was obviously bitten by the Kwanza..
The only known cure for this infliction, is to study our Constitution, and read the Federalist Papers.
It will also reverse brain damage inflicted by Socialism. ( :

FergusMacLennan
"I believe in the Constitution".

So you say... but then, so say many who in fact commit assaults on the Constitution every day.

THAT is an excellent point and should be noted by all.

Liberals point to the Constitution, say they love it, and they in the same breath continue, "but it should be a "living" document, changing with the times..."

Well done.

solar
"making a big deal of this? Who cares about kwanzaa?
Most people don't even know about it. White people don't care. Black people don't know about this do they? I thought their holiday was Martin Luter King day? "

The above quote is what I said about Kwanzaa. Does it sound like I support Kwanzaa?? You misread what I said, a typical knee jerk reaction wouldn't you say?