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Wednesday, October 25, 2006
Ann Coulter :: Townhall.com Columnist
Dems' favorite Halloween costume: Patriot
by Ann Coulter
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After some of us began to ask which part of the war on terrorism Democrats support, Larry Kudlow put the question directly to Rep. Barney Frank on CNBC's "Kudlow & Company." Frank said: "What part of the war on terrorism do I support? I voted for war in Afghanistan."

On "60 Minutes" last Sunday night, aspiring House speaker Nancy Pelosi denounced the war in Iraq as not "part of the war on terror." The war on terror, she said "is the war in Afghanistan."

So that's it. The one part of the war on terror -- or "so-called war on terror," as New York Times so-called columnist Bob Herbert calls it -- Democrats even pretend to support is the war in Afghanistan.

Immediately after the attacks of 9/11, Democrats had no choice but to vote in favor of that war -- of any war. (Save one member of Congress -- guess which party? Answer: Rep. Barbara Lee, Democrat, of California.)

If Bush had gone to war with Iraq immediately after 9/11 and waited to attack Afghanistan, Democrats would now be pretending to support the Iraq war while pointlessly carping about Afghanistan. Afghanistan didn't attack us on 9/11! The Taliban didn't attack us! What's our exit strategy? How do you define "victory" in Afghanistan, anyway? It's a quagmire -- aahhhhh!

The beauty of Democrats' pretending to be hawks on Afghanistan is that most people can't remember what liberals said five minutes after they said it, much less five years later.

In fact, during the brief five weeks it took American forces to take Kabul and send the Taliban scurrying, liberals were not the flag-waving patriots they would have us believe.

In October 2001, Sen. Joe Biden gave a speech before the Council on Foreign Relations saying that America's air war in Afghanistan made the United States look like "this high-tech bully that thinks from the air we can do whatever we want to do."

Four weeks before U.S. troops completely vanquished the Taliban, Kim Jong Il's pal, New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, said on CNN's "Capital Gang" that the Taliban would not soon be toppled. He cited his experience with the Taliban, saying: "I think they can hold on for a while. They were very resilient."

Howard Dean joined Michael Moore in arguing that Osama bin Laden was innocent until proved guilty.

Except for a few idiots like Biden, Richardson and Dean, most politicians -- who have to run for election -- duly voted in favor of the war in Afghanistan and let their mouthpieces in the media bash it for them. (Remember: A lot of them voted for war in Iraq, too.)

Democrats who would not have to face voters -- we call them "reporters" -- were calling Afghanistan a "quagmire" approximately six minutes after we invaded.

Thomas Ricks, the Washington Post reporter who currently has a book out saying the war in Iraq is not succeeding, also said the war in Afghanistan was not succeeding.

On Oct. 27, 2001, Ricks said this about Afghanistan -- not Iraq: "Although there is little evidence -- yet -- that the U.S. approach is succeeding, officials at the Pentagon and the White House said yesterday that they are sticking with their original strategy."

Our boys had taken Kabul before Ricks' article hit the recycling bin.

The media gave us gleeful reports on friendly fire incidents in Afghanistan, incessant body counts, numbers of civilian dead and polls showing that the rest of world hated us. Christiane Amanpour reported on CNN in February 2002 that "77 percent of those (Muslims) interviewed said the U.S. war in Afghanistan was morally unjustifiable." The Muslim world hates us -- because of the war Democrats claim to support.

In an Oct. 27, 2001, column titled "How to Lose a War," New York Times columnist Frank Rich wrote that the Taliban "are proving Viet Cong-like in their intractability." He stated categorically that "we're losing that battle for Afghan hearts and minds" -- proving Rich to be as competent a military analyst as any longtime New York Times theater critic could reasonably be expected to be.

Say, when is the Times going to hire generals to review the latest Broadway offerings? I think more people would like to read Tommy Franks' review of "Rent" than Frank Rich's review of a war.

Times columnist Maureen Dowd, more macho than Rich, asked: "Are we quagmiring ourselves again?" Apparently so. She cited Rear Adm. John Stufflebeem's denial that we were getting bogged down in Afghanistan as "a sure sign we're getting bogged down."

In October 2001, on ABC News' "World News Tonight," anchor Peter Jennings asked Gen. Pervez Musharraf of Pakistan: "Do you believe that the United States is possibly facing a quagmire in Afghanistan?"

The first time liberals had a kind word for the war in Afghanistan was when they needed to pretend to support some war in order to attack the war in Iraq with greater vigor.  To get them to support the Iraq war, all we have to do is attack Iran.

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Liberal War
When a person has no historical context, no moral center, no real-world experience and is put in a position of being in front of a camera, microphone or typewriter and expected to turn out something day after day, it is no surprise that the result is something that pleases his/her boss. It doesn't have to be well reasoned or very deep, just keep it coming.

Most anchors, reporters and analysts are chosen for their looks, language facility and conformance to the liberal dogma.

What do you expect???

If the MSM
told me the sun was coming up in the East tomorrow, the first place I'd look would be to the West.

Ann didn't mention....
One important thing Ann forgot is Clinton's ballistic interview where he said he wouldn't have one fifth (or whatever the number) the amount of troops in Afghanistan than in Iraq.

I think this statement is very revealing, and very important. The Demos ran in 2004 on getting our allies to help in Iraq, which, for the most part, they haven't. Now, here's Clinton saying there's one fifth the amount of troops in Afghanistan than in Iraq, and we have most of our allies there. Do our allies not count all of a sudden? Canada, England, Australia, and a host of other countries have troops in Afghanistan. Do they not count? I hope they weren't watching the interview.

Basically, political opportunism. I'm not sure of the number of combined troops in Afghanistan right now, but I know it's more than the 30k or so that Clinton wants us to believe. I also have noticed that, since the beginning of the war in IRaq, anything that happens in Afghanistan is on the back page with no picture. Iraq? Front page.


I say we implement the libs'....
...solution to end the war: Midnight basketball!

On target as usual Ann!
And as you indicate, it would not have mattered where President Bush started. The Demo/Libs, while public attention was focused on congress, did pretend to support their hated president. Then quickly pulled a John Kerry flip-flop and resumed attacking him.

It might behoove us all to look at a Demo/Libs approach to a problem as.. "Trick or Treat!"

Kimberly
Do you think it is possible for you and others who FEEL the way you do to keep it to yourself? This nation is at war. Do you understand this war is a response to ATTACK. We, as a nation, have legitimate means to declare and prosecute a war. None of us needs to hear the constant refrain of carping undermining the stated goals of the political leadership and the military.

Please, if you cannot support the current policy, KEEP QUIET until it is time to elect or re-elect the leaders to determine future policy.

I realize this plea will fall on deaf ears. Patriotism is not your strong suit.

Sickened Kimberly sickens us all
Kimberly, I can truly believe that Ann's humor "sickens" you when I read what you've retched onto our comment board. The next time you feel the need to release verbal vomit, take it to the toilet, please -- that's where it belongs. And by all means, have a nice day - somewhere else.

Ann is good today!
"Democrats who would not have to face voters -- we call them "reporters" -- were calling Afghanistan a "quagmire" approximately six minutes after we invaded."

I remember saying after the initial invasion of Afghanistan that I hoped we wouldn't get Bin Laden unless he was the last Muslim to die in the WOT.I still feel that way.This was NEVER a war against Al Queda.It was a war against terror,and as soon as Bin Laden dies the demand that we "bring the boys home" will be overwhelming.Bin Laden can be replaced,and will be,and the war will go on,because this generation doesn't know how to win a war,and in fact,we haven't won one since WWII.

But that's another story.

You're wrong
Al Kimballah is a very patriotic Iraqi insurgent.

Kimberly...
... is just jealous.

Imagine if Ann Coulter was a leftie... Does anyone believe for a moment that Kim wouldn't then find Ann to be a great & intelligent writer, witty, on target, & beautiful?

And pitbull... you are correct. I too have noted Kimmy's dodge for a debate with NRAlifer. So, besides being intellectually dishonest, like most lefties, she can only exist in a vacuum of postulation without the back & forth of a true argument over ideas.

Is it any wonder liberals are viewed as the cut & run cowards they are?

Kimberly ad nauseum
It's getting to be a routine:

Get up, make coffee, boot TH.com, read Kimberly's latest rant about the evils of America and the Republicans.

All web sites need their Kimberlys. It's like, how would we know "good" if "evil" didn't exist?

Thanks, Kim-baby, for all the posts.

Requesting Political Prisoner Status....
For all of us in college towns, can we request political prisoner status and petition our President to invade? Yes, invade Amherst, Berkley, Cambridge, et al.

I say this in jest -- but my town meeting is going to vote on impeaching the President -- in wartime -- for the war -- and this is TREASON in my book. We are in a war and the college towns are occupied much like the Nazis occupied France -- can we establish governments in exile?

Can the loyal Americans living in these towns get political prisoner status?

Coulter's Weird Logic
Explain to me if GWB was sincere about winning the war on terrorism, why did he cut taxes, run up the deficit thus weakening the dollar, thus raising the price of oil, etc. If the war was that important, he should have been mobilizing more troops, reinstating the draft, etc. Instead he wasted his capital on a Medicare drug bill that for the most part enriched big Pharma and the health insurance industry and other corporate enriching legislation aided and abetted by a Congress that loaded bills with pork. He has tried to put off the day of reckoning by passing the bill on to our children and grandchildren who will have to pay off Communist China, etc. Someday the chickens will come home to roost!!! I'm a 70 year old Republican(of the Goldwater persuasion) and this is not my MOMMA's Republican Party. What's wrong with todays taxpayers paying at the rate of the "greatest generation" until we can get our house back in order and asking all Americans to sacrifice rather than just the military and their families? The Repulicans(neocons) are playing the religious right like a fine fiddle similar to the way the Dems did the blacks in the 60's and later. Will we ever return to civility in this country where candidates will stick to the issues instead of one upmanship in slime? Where have all the statesmen gone?

Kimberly - read Ann's Archives....
Kimberly writes: Afganistan was where bin Laden was, was it not? But we didn't get bin Laden. Rather, we sent the little warlords to round him up, and sent our troops into Iraq for a lie.

What was it that Ann said that caused so much trouble - oh, I remember, "Invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christanity."

Had we done this in Afganistan there would be no taliban as they would all either be dead or converted. We could have nuked ToraBora and killed Bin Laden for sure.

> it wasn't for lack of trying on the part of our troops.

If our troops were left alone and let to FIGHT the wars (including Iraq) then there wouldn't be any of these problems....


please...........
like ann knows what anywhat eles is thinking. i guess she can put mind rreader and sooth sayer on her resume now.

Looking for a few good hunters
If the left is so patriotic why haven't they formed a militia to go to Tora Bora and capture Bin Laden? They could win the war and be swept into power. It's probably because Rove, being the dastardly person he is, already captured him and has him hidden away as a last minute dirty trick.

I'm sure with the brain trust of r2-d2, Kimberly, donnaldd and a couple others the worlds problems could be solved in a matter of weeks. Imagine the fear in the leadership of Iran knowing that if they don't comply with the U.N., Kimberly will call them poopy heads.

Hmmm
I think Ann is right. But I also think RPM is mostly right as well. I do not think raising taxes is appropriate when a burging economy will ultimately pay the "National Debt" -- its Bush's social policies that stink - Medicare Drugs, Amnesty for illegal aliens, etc. I am sick and tired of the cr*p laid on about catering to the so called religious right! They have NO MORE influence that any other group and more often fail to get what they are working for -- its myth just pure urban myth that they have any undue influence -- I agree that todays politicians stand for NOTHING and work soley for re-election which has become their number one job! I am for voting out 100% of congress NONE of them have the guts to LEAD, take a postion and stand for what is right rather than what is popular -- they live by the polls and can not or will not address the issues openly and honestly! Spineless to the core! NeoCons are NOT helping us get back to the issues!

DEMOCRATS CONTRIBUTION TO THE
War on terror is being played out right here in our own backyard. Fact, the war in Iraq is not going well at all, but is is going, and the terrorist are aware of the fact that as long as America has a Republican majority leadership, that the US military will continue the hunt for Bin Laden, challenge the little monkey leaders of third world countries that pursue WMD's, and we will be successful whatever the cost. This is where the jackasses come in, through their left controlled media outlets the Democrats realize that they don't have the gonads to fight the real war on terrorism, or to protect this country against it, so their idea of boots on the ground amounts to no more than attacks against the GOP openly in the media, purposely creating dissent in America, and helping the terrorist obtain their objectives at the same time. The world situation is far to volatile right now to leave the door open that would allow the Democrats to be in charge of anything other than passing out candy at the white house this halloween.

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Heads Need To Roll

come on!!
continue to hunt for bin laden? "i really don't think about osama much." "osama is not that important" , both quotes from g.w.b..
didn't g.w.b close the unit which was specifically designed to hunt and capture bin laden? the answer is yes. wake up and pull the wool off your eyes!!

Grief
I don't know either World Ahead Publishing or TowhHall succeeding erasing the entire contents of one of my directories.

I better give up commenting!

war
How can you support a president who:
1. Went into a sovreign nation without UN approval, removing the government there.
2. Gave no bid contracts to haliburton.
3. Promised a quick endeavor but our troops are still there!
4. No WMDs discovered in said country, nor were they ever a threat to the US.

I am talking about Clinton and Bosnia of course.

Exactly right!
"Democrats who would not have to face voters -- we call them 'reporters' --"

Great line, that.

"were calling Afghanistan a 'quagmire' approximately six minutes after we invaded."

Ann is actually wrong here. They were calling Afghanistan a quagmire before we invaded. It was the MSM's pre-emptive strike. "It's going to be a quagmire ..."

And,
if you want to see how left the lefties are going, check out my blog post, "Leftward Ho!" (Just click on my name).

rpm nuts
Well, rpm, we have to explain it to you libs yet AGAIN. Lowering tax rates does not lower tax revenues. Tax rates affect economic behavior, as Reagan proved by doubling the tax revenues by lowering tax rates. JFK did the same, made a pretty good speech on the subject. Now W has done the same, tax revenues (that's taxes collected by the government, for you libs) are increasing. And you probably had more to do with the rising gas prices than Bush. Walk around your house, pick up everything you own, and see where it's made. Bet a lot is made in China. Your purchases of cheap Chinese crap enables the Chinese to buy cars, which increases the demand for gasoline, which drives up the price. Simple economic laws of supply and demand, works on other things besides gasoline. By the way, you forgot to give Bush credit for the current drop in gasoline prices. He doesn't really deserve credit, but by your logic he should. You Dim Rats all need a lesson in economics.

Ann is WRONG
The Democrats do have a recent history of supporting wars other than the one in Afghanistan:

They supported the war on Kosovo, where the U.S. practiced war from 15000 feet.

They supported the war against unarmed camels.

They supported the war against aspirin factories.

Hell, I'll bet even Kimberly supported those actions, seeing as how they were taken by that great white hype of the liberal left, Bubba himself.

The only wars liberals don't support are those which have a chance of accomplishing something.

"Hell yeah," they say. "Blow up all the camels you want. Just don't shoot any terrorists."

Mr. Matt
You have to be kidding about the way we're killing innocent people in Iraq. Saddam was responsible for the death of millions, with no end in sight when we crushed him. Whatever else is right or wrong, a lot more people are alive with him in the slammer, than would be if we had tried to ignore him.

Libs support war on GOP reputations too!
Ann,

You are correct about wars that require a pair of cohunas, but the slash and tear attacks on personal reputations do not bother the lib-dolt dim-ol-rats, or the lame stream media either. They will asserts half truths, fractured facts, and outright lies to smear any Republican, or a conservative in a New York minute.
What is truly sad is the biggest cohunas belong to Hitlery, and Pelosi. All the males of this sub-species are bloviating, pontificating, nuetered poodles like Barney(Thank heaven for little boys)Frank, John(CEO when shes not around)Kerry, Teddy(No occifer I havent had a drink in months)Kennedy, and Patrick(The pansy's friend) Leahy. What a bunch of Morons. What is sadder is some people actually listen to these idiots and believe them!
What is saddest is that these people call themselves Americans. I mean, I know it takes all kinds but these Hypocrites aren't even entertaining anymore.

DavidMac
I liked your morning routine schedule. Fortunately, I called some friends at the NSA and they were able to provide me Kimberly’s morning routine.

Wake up and pour a cup of herbal tea – with just a splash of soy milk.

Light up incense and put on Indigo Girls CD

Load up TH and briefly scan columns (just read title if time is short)

Refer to extremely small library of baseless and generic liberal responses saved on desktop (Note to self: check Moveon.Org or DailyKos for new material!)

Cut and paste response

Ignore all challenges to my statements

Move on to next column

kimberly et al
So glad you have the arrogance to blog here. You soooo make our point...about how Leftists are going to, and have been ruining America with your skewed thinking. Your spew is always off. Why not just go to Cindy Sheehan's web site..... and blog on. Rant on.I have Liberal friends who feel the same as you ...Love anything anti-Christ, or religious, think Bush is a "moron", Republicans are Immmoral etc.( Why secularists would even bring up morals is beyond comprehension). And truth be told it's only because they have a long deep-seated resentment about Bush winning the 2000 election! I often think about Al Gore being elected...or Kerry. OMG! So ,.... keep it up. Makes me even MORE determined to vote next month.

Kimberly : I love it when
Ann's column comes out.
Three things happen.
1: You get sooo.. worked up.

2: For me'it's like a cup of coffee for the soul.

3: Thursday is like Thanksgiving weekly,the whole family get's together.

Commentary on Coulter and Cons
I cannot help but note that conservative commentary regarding Townhall articles is usually reasoned and textually literate. On the other hand, the lefties' collective rant is most often poorly written and laced with misspellings and profanity. Perhaps we have met the enemy, and they are STUPID.

Kim

Kim
are you talking about the Barabra Lee- CA that wants us out of Iraq so we can to to war in Dafur?

REVELATION!!
Kimberly is the internet version of Tokyo Rose of WWII

Primus54
The left do have their own version of Coulter, who, just like Ann, treats facts with contempt and just spouts evil rhetoric to enhance their name and bank balance.
Unfortunately that is where the similarities end, as the lefts version of Ann is a fat ugly man called Michael who looks like he hasn't showered since the first gulf war.
He probably has bigger breast then Ann though!!

Mr. Matt
Nice rant Mr. Matt. For the record, I have to say that I don't believe you. Unless you happen to be from San Francisco, and your idea of a republican is the rest of the country's idea of a liberal democrat. I might believe that you fought in Iraq, because I served with a few who seemed to walk in the world with their ideological eyes shut the whole time. People who saw all evidence that they were wrong as a sham and, all conspiracy theories as hard, proven fact.


I feel sorry for you.

David M and Mr Matt

Good one!

Mr Matt,
are you a Moveon.org recruit?
You are entitled to your opinion, but I have read the opposite view from yours from soldiers that have served and are serving in Iraq.
Where was your fight?

Yo Kimberly
You should drop to your knees and thank whatever god you worship that Bush is not the Nazi that you lefties accuse him of being. If he was, you and your traitorous ilk would have long disappeared from the American landscape.

ANN IS ON THE MONEY
Why is it when Liberals are vitriolic, vituperative and sarcastic, it is considered right and proper? When Ann Coulter practices these, she is pilloried. The Democrats are the party of hatred- they hate people, especially patriotic and working people. Ann Coulter exposes them for what they are; hateful hypocrites.

CUT AND RUN from “STAY THE COURSE!”
WE GET THE GOVERNMENT WE DESERVE… and, boy, we’ve really been getting it for the last few years! Truth, values, competence and results no longer matter in America.

The problem: our President is not a rational thinker – his mind accepts information from only two sources: faith and experience. Thus, objective facts and evidence such as the latest National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) are meaningless to him. The reality of Iraq is what he thinks it is, and so our country and our precious soldiers are in for more of the same: SPIN, SPIN, SPIN.

John Citizen
So you are saying you derive nothing from faith? So you have experimented and tested firsthand ALL of your knowledge? You base nothing at all on what you have learned from others?

Then I would guess Bush's faith in Christianity you have a problem with then? Do I smell a bigot?

I guess the faith in certain human beings which you agree with is somehow mystically better than Christians faith in Biblical men?

Please tell us how you arrived at this conclusion.

selmo
you wrote:

"continue to hunt for bin laden? "i really don't think about osama much." "osama is not that important" , both quotes from g.w.b..
didn't g.w.b close the unit which was specifically designed to hunt and capture bin laden? the answer is yes. wake up and pull the wool off your eyes!!"

No, bin Laden is NOT that important anymore. What would make you think he is? Yes, the desire to bring him to justice is strong - but far stronger is the need to take CURRENT steps to produce any future 9/11s from happening.

When Osama was in Saudi, he was unable to do anything, because he lacked state sponsorship.

When Osama was in Sudan, he was unable to do anything, because the state sponsorship he received from Turabi was two-faced and insubstantial. In fact, he arrived in Sudan a moderately wealthy man, and left virtually penniless.

It was only under the sponsorship of the Taliban - whose leader, Mullah Omar, thought of bin Laden as a great man, and refused to turn him over to Prince Turki al Faisal of Saudi - that he managed to do anything.

He *might* have found a sponsor in Saddam, had we not ousted Saddam.

Now who is left to sponsor him? The Pakinstanis? The Syrians? The Iranians? Please... the Paks are too conflicted, the Syrians are too aware of their own relative weakness (they would be an even MORE inviting target than Afghanistan), and Iran has their own mad-mullah plans. Plus Iran is Shiite, while bin Laden is Sunni. WAHHABIST Sunni.

Bin Laden is defanged; he can wait. We're not worried about him. What we're worried about now is the metastasis of global terror - and its focal point, complete with rallying cries, in Iraq. We lose there, we LOSE BIG TIME, and bin Laden won't matter because there will be 1000 more like him. We win there, and bin Laden won't matter because jihad will be on the defensive.

Will you moronic libs stop focusing on bin Laden please!!! It's like a bizarre ideological Tourette's! I can hear Dustin Hoffman in "Rain Man"... "Definitely, definitely gotta get bin Laden... definitely bin Laden... yeah... Bush lied kids died, definitely bin Laden..."

To Dave
You've noticed that too? The almost 'spitting' anger that makes one not notice how ..OR what one writes.

BrianR
The next day's headlines would be something like:

Bush Plan for Sun Fails

and

US Hordes Sunlight; Shortens Europe's Day

and

Pelosi Promises CA Sunrises

and would be followed by:

Independent Council Needed in Sunrise Scandal

Leave Kimberly alone...
...she performs a service on this site.She keeps reminding us why we are Conservatives.I sometimes think that Kimberly is really Jonathan Garthrite in drag,keeping us coming back to Townhall.

Kim
Aside from really really really disliking the idiotic notions of Kimberly, I find her personal attacks unbecoming and striking a new low, and her writings considerably lacking in truth or substance. Desperate rants from an increasingly desperate crone.

kimberly
"Aside from really really really disliking the idiotic notions of Kimberly, I find her attempt at humor sickening, her personal attacks unbecoming and striking a new low, and her writings considerably lacking in truth or substance. Desperate rants from an increasingly desperate crone."

I suppose that facts mean nothing to you... typical lefty, only relies on feelings and emotion. Probably why women tend to be more liberal than men. Try this for the next Prager/Medved/Coulter column that comes out: come up with some depth to your disagreement and we can discuss this. Until you begin to learn how to use facts and not just empty accusations, you're just proving my first sentence correct.


argh, Pat in NC
You beat me to it! :)

3 guesses on Kimberly's real identity...
Kos
Barbara Streisand
Saddam Hussein

the victims
The MSM and the Dems would be behind this war 100 % if all the victims of 9/11 had been black and gay.

This 'n that ...
Ralph: Kimberly hasn't dropped to her knees since Clintoon left the White House.

John Citizen: Please don't let facts about the president's reading habits get in the way of your opinion of his intelligence and thought patterns. Ever heard of Sharanksy's The Case For Democracy? Just one of those books the President never reads ... Also, it's pretty clear you don't read much. If you did, you'd know that what the Drive-By Media put out about the NSIE was only one small part of a larger picture. You need to do a fact-check on your talking point sources.

EZ$: You may be right about Kimberly,but I always thought CNN was the modern version of Tokyo Rose. They censored their news to Saddam's specifications and they give a platform to terrorist propaganda flicks.

RPM: You're delusional! Tax RATES are cut, but tax REVENUES have INCREASED.The deficit is not affected by rates but by revenues and expenditures. Get a clue. And with no change in tax rates, oil prices have fluctuated, so the connection you attempt to draw isn't in the evidence. Try getting your talking points from rality, not from the libs.

Mr. Matt: If you are indeed a combat veteran, thank you for your service. But your being a combat veteran doesn't make what you say any less silly. There may have been some errors in intelligence before the Iraq War. But there are errors in intelligence often. Saddam himself was giving mixed messages on WMD. To say that Bush lied is to go way beyond the evidence and betrays your bias. Also, you might spend some time examining what security measures presidents and congresses have taken during other wars, before you begin the dirge for our allegedly vanishing freedoms.

Losers talk about how they're losing. Winners talk about how to win.

John Citizen – “rational thinker?”


John Citizen writes, “The problem: our President is not a rational thinker – his mind accepts information from only two sources: faith and experience. Thus, objective facts and evidence such as the latest National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) are meaningless to him.”

Just wondering John, haven’t you libs been castigated Bush for making decisions based on the “objective facts and evidence such as the [October 2002] National Intelligence Estimate (NIE)?”

I’ll bet the irony escapes you? Please, keep on posting. You do more to prove Annie’s points than we do. You see. We may make assertions concerning the mindset of liberals; your exhibiting them however, is now documented evidence.




Brilliant column Ann!

suirad
suirad writes about KIMBAT

"I find her attempt at humor sickening, her personal attacks unbecoming and striking a new low, and her writings considerably lacking in truth or substance"

This is the exact same way i would describe Coulter.

Mr. Matt
Your comments make me seriously doubt you are even in the military.

To the rest of you...I am in the military (20+ years now) and I can assure you that the number of military personnel who share Mr. M's "opinions" are extremely rare.

Liberals in the military are more rare than Rush Limbaugh fans at a gay pride parade in San Fransisco.

apologies suirad
that should read Pat in NC

RE: Kimberly
If I were a leftwing shill like you, I'd simply repeat over and over again about how all Republicans were Nazi fascists just so I could get the admiration of "Doctor" Howard Dean.

Kooks like you and Barbara Lee make me SO happy I'm smart enough NOT to be a Democrat.

On a related note, I find your cracks at how "sickening" Ann is quite ironic, what with your absurd "gay animals" comments and all.

Tell me, why, EXACTLY, do you continue to read all these columns if you feel they are so sickening and unenlightening?

FergieMac
Excellent post. Precisely the reasons why OBL is not a primary target at the moment (aside from having to likely P*ss Off Pakistan to actually capture him).

Libs can't think beyond slogans and simplistic scenarios to understand what is going on, and how to defeat it.

PS.: Rainman apparently moonlights as several of the MSMs opinion journalists, and is a.k.a. Kimbat, Duhdonaldd, tanning bare, and other TH drive-by bloggers.

RE: RPM
"Explain to me if GWB was sincere about winning the war on terrorism, why did he cut taxes, run up the deficit thus weakening the dollar, thus raising the price of oil, etc."

You should have titled your response "RPM's Weird Logic".

Nuff said.

suirad: Kimberly's I.D.?

That's an easy one...

Mo Dowd!

The only war that Dems support...
is any war defending fascism including Naziism & Islamo-fascism as long as they aren't a threat to the ultimate form of fascism - Communism/Marxism.

(Don't let K-Marx get under your skin. He/she/it is a marxist troll attempting to antagonize conservatives. Ignore the trolls. They do not listen to reason or logic.)

spunge_
Kimberly DID say that about Coulter, Pat and I were just turning it around on her, considering Kim is the one who doesn't bother to ever give evidence to her pathetic jabs. Coulter gave a bunch of real quotes and always includes evidence in her columns/books. To be liberal is to be illogical...it's the nature of the beast.

Fergus
You are exactly right. To bad the libs don't get it.

Main Stream Pollution

I'm not sure I can say this, or post this, but what the heck.

I stopped subscribing to my local paper (Texarkana Gazette) because of their leftist views and unrelenting biased attacks on the president and the war. Unfortunately my wife still reads the "crap".

I tell you the truth..... I feel so much better. My mind is more clear.
Its like I flushed the toilet. hehe.

Townhall is the greatest invention that has come in a long time.

Do you guys have any bumper stickers? I'm sure others would also love this freedom if they knew you were online.

I've attempted
to go on some liberal sites and post comments... they never get posted if they're not in line with the liberal agenda... guess debate was never their strong point. Best example of this: Planned Parenthhood has a petition drive against Prop 85 in California, and on their website they give these 4 reasons to oppose Prop 85 (a parental-notification law regarding abortion):

Good family communication cannot be imposed by government.

When laws make teenagers choose between talking with parents or having illegal and unsafe abortions, some will delay critical medical care, turn to self-induced or illegal back-alley abortions, or even consider suicide.

Doctors, nurses, and teachers strongly oppose proposition 85.

Supporters of Prop 85 – including the Traditional Values Coalition, Evangelicals for Social Action and Right to Life of Central California – are the same people who want to overturn Roe v. Wade and ban all abortions.

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Point 1: Government "imposes" family communication all the time in small issues like permission to go on a field trip, but they can't do so when a girl is going to have a surgical procedure???

Point 2: Where's the straw man?

Point 3: I doubt all doctors, nurses, and teachers (who the hell cares what teachers think on this issue) support this... however, it would be interesting if they bothered to survey parents what they think.

Point 4: So just because some pro-life groups favor Prop 85, it must be bad??? That infantile logic is comparable to my brother saying when i was a kid that he didn't want any candy if i got some too.

Needless to say, they wouldn't post my comment asking them which knucklehead came up with those reasons to oppose Prop 85.

Statistics say:
You're still safer riding in a HUMMV in Iraq than an Oldsmobile in Chappaquiddick.

Off target
Pity all these posts have not been about Ann's article. For one I am glad that somebody finally reminded the left that they were not so excited about seeing:

1) tiny third world country getting bombed to oblivion; and/or
2) wonderful sons of the US getting caught in quagmire in extremely difficult terrain against hardened smart foe; and/or
3) US allies on the ground being bought, killed, divided and thereby messing up brainless US plan to dominate complex third world country.

Yes, folks, we should remember what the media and the left were really saying during the Afghanistan awar.

History Re-Starts Every Morning
The main point I get from Ann's column is that history starts anew every morning if you are a democrat. If a Republican does this, the MSM will be happy to point it out. However, it does not work that way with the dem, MSM partnership. A couple quick examples.

Al Gore, while running for president saying things about his record easily proven false-"I have always been pro-choice."

Dems claining they were tricked into opposition to Hussein when all the MSM needs to do is check the record previous to Bush being elected. In '98, the dem leaders in Congress sent a letter to Clinton urging regime change in Iraq by any means necessary. Frighteningly ignored by the MSM.

Clinton railing against racial profiling when just a few years earlier while governor, he threatened to ignore a court order telling the state to stop profiling.

Just a few examples. I could go on as most of you could. The other category that I could write a book on is how the press treats similar offenses differently depending on party affiliation. See Foley vs. Studds, Frank etc. See Trent Lott vs. Robert Byrd using the N word twice on TV. Do you think the press would allow an ex-klansman in the Senate if he had an R in front of his name? That's why I trust almost zero coming from the MSM.

RPM (Revolutions Per Minute)...
Stop Spinning

One more point, that wasn’t addressed by previous posters. The last thing we want or need is a draft. If you need air, open a window, buy a fan, go for a drive...

We don’t however, need a military draft, anymore than we need: masquerading, low-life, pot smoking, flag burning, trash littering, tofu eating, Birkenstock wearing, naval staring, fur painting, tie-dyed, whale saving, baby killing, backstabbing traitors; groveling beneath our all-voluntary, professional military personnel. Thanks, but no thanks.

Mr. Matt: Same Old Nazi canard
Mr. Matt stated:

“Hitler thought what he was doing was 'right' as well. Just because your war mongering, fear mongering actions can be justified in your head, does not mean they are right. Sinclair Lewis once said "If fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." Fascism is here, and you, Ann Coulter, are doing your best to propel it to power. Whether you know it or not.”

Benford's law of controversy: “Passion is inversely proportional to the amount of real information available.”

The litmus test for leftist intellectual dishonesty & its associated transition into a state of passionate mental masturbation is that moment when overt leftists inevitably start comparing Republicans (or anyone who disagrees with them) to Hitler, Nazi’s, Fascists, etc.- an argument invalidation technique employed IOT compensate for pedestrian intellects. Why bother with rational discourse when you can just as easily impugn your opponent’s integrity? Especially when you enjoy the benefit of a moral high ground (& esoteric insights into the nature of reality) derived from a slavish devotion to the post-modern religion of secular progressivism: progressive income taxation, pro-female welfare state, affirmative action/quotas, free-abortions on demand for perpetuity, etc. Oh what joy can be attained via such enlightenment?

Reality: the Nazis (“public use before private ownership”), like Communists, Fascists (with the exception of Spain’s Franco), Socialists, etc. are just different shades of the same Leftist, Neo-Marxist ideology. The only difference between the aforementioned National Socialists and the far left that currently controls the Democrat Party is the fact that they are socialists of an international variety- “iNazis” if you prefer. And enlightened persons like Mr. Matt, Kimberly, JohnCitizen, et al. are their apologists and enablers.

Cutter Bench: Birkenstock wearing?
I concur with your assessment of current potential draftee pool. However, I'm a Service Academy-educated, Reserve Field-Grade Officer & I love my 4 pairs of Birkenstocks. Run competitively for 8+ years, have your feet broken, stretched & reset & you will learn to appreciate this fine German footwear.

Kimberly and Mr. Matt
Now, now, everyone - let's not be too hard on this too pathetic nitwits. After all, I was always taught to be kind to dumb animals and mentally challenged individuals.

Have you ever run into one of those people who had "lost it" so bad that, while they are talking, you just keep smiling, nodding your head, and saying, "uh huh, yes, that's interesting," while you are waiting for the guys with the straight jacket to show up?

But seriously, liberals like Kim and Mr. Matt are hopelessly clueless and probably just post stupid stuff to get people riled. I mean, after all, they certainly aren't going to get people excited and energized by their brilliance, so they probably have to resort to just getting people mad.

Remember, most stupid people are just too stupid to realize how stupid they are. But let's leave the real thinking to the big people, like conservatives.

David M
I wish I could be as concise as you. What you said is another topic about this war that really animates me.

I took my 2 sons to a pro military rally near the beginning of this war. My biggest reason was to oppose the protestors. All the obstacles to taking action that these groups and the dems wanted Bush to hurdle are phony. None of these same hurdles were put in front of Clinton with his actions in Bosnia. No one asked for a time table for when we would be out of there-we're still there. Milosevic never attacked us. No one said we needed UN approval. The clincher is that no one, with a straight face, could say that Milosevic was a greater (if any) threat to us than Hussein. WHERE WERE ALL THE PROTESTORS!!! Nowhere to be seen. The only logical conslusion is that this is partisan politics, hatred of Bush. How else can this difference be explained?

Just take all the liberal's anti-war arguements, turn them around, and compare them to Bosnia. Their rants do not hold up. Of course, history starts anew every morning and we are not allowed to point out past statements or actions. Thank God we have alternative voices holding these phonies up to scrutiny.

Mountain Rose
Enjoy your comments.

JSMTexas
But they "feel" good about their beliefs, isn't that enough??? Why involve reason and logic when we can just rely on our emotions? Conservatives and their rational brains be damned! ;)

..to sum it up
.."Vote Republican on Nov.7".

Our country, our values, our families, our safety, our economy, our faith, our soldiers, our peace, our un-biased media (whats left of it), our marriage laws, our taxes, our borders, our war on terror, our cities security, our jobs, our rights, our government, and our whole way of life as our Founding Fathers envisioned depends on it!!!

Dems = Socialists...period.

History Channel?

Did anyone see the History channel Sunday about Saddams connection with the 3rd Reich? He was Hitlers Resurrection? thank God somebody had the courage to bomb the hell out Saddam and his goonies.

Timetable, Cookie?
Of course no one asked for a timetable for when we'd be out of Bosnia. Clinton was up front about it, headed it off, by promising the troops would be "home by Christmas." 'Nuff said.

Suirad--Right
Posting rules on one "liberal" website declares that any person posting conservative talking points will be immediately and permanently banned.

So much for debate.

Civil Debate on Important Issues
Let's see now -- "TownHall," -- doesn't that elicit an image of ideas being exchanged, and perhaps varying opinions being expressed and even
(gasp!) respected? If you were face to face with the neighbors in your own townhall, would you call them the juvenile, cutesy, and downright silly names found here on this site? Kimberly, and others often has some very good thoughts which should elicit thoughtful replies instead of "get away from OUR Townhall or such intelligent and thoughtful postings such as "go flush your ideas down the toilet!" I keep trying to find some redemptive value in this site, but all I hear is that anyone who disagrees with the party line (even in the smallest way -- even from fellow Republicans) is an unpatriotic communist hack. What is wrong with you people? Don't you want a healthy democracy? Ann recently said on a talk show that Afganistan is going "swimmingly," -- poppies and all. The president in yesterday's news conference/campaign speech said that "...absolutely, we're winning!" On the same day, 5 more families got that dreaded knock on the door by a military chaplain -- one from my state of Kansas. You don't think these kinds of things should foster debate? Has anyone on this site heard of an open mind? Civil debate? "Speaking the truth in love (or at least civility?)" There's always hope.

Kimberly
There are an exhorbitant number of posts to or regarding Kimberly today. Of 90 posts, 28 were to or mentioned her. Not bad for a "drive by". I wonder if she just goes from blog to blog, article to article, posting once and getting this much attention.

Liberal Debate
Demosthenes, very good post on liberal debate tactics.

I have tried to debate with liberals on these issues (and several others) on their own sites, but it's pointless. I have been called many colorful names, but very seldom are my points even addressed.

How do you debate issues with someone who only resorts to screaming and name calling??

I am beginning to think we are all stupid for continuing to try. Is it more stupid to argue with an idiot or to be one??

Al Gore said he wouldn't have invaded...
...Afghanistan. I wonder how the "embargo" would be going.

Icedog, if you have the stomach for it..
...it's a great service to make calm, rational, reasoned, posts.

For one thing, any independent trolling through the site is likely to pick up on the difference in tone and civility. And if they're bright enough to evaluate at the actual arguments, then all the better.

Integrity in the Media
Long gone are the days when the American public could place trust in the news view during the evening, heard over the radio or read in the evening paper. No longer are most members of the media considered above reproach in reporting of the events. No longer are the 5 "W"s and 1 "H" (who?, what?, why?, where?, when?, how?) important.

The questions now are: Will it damage the American image? (Israel can also be tossed in for good measure), Will it damage the Republicans?, Will it damage Conservatives?, Will it damage Christians?, Will it promote the secular agenda of liberals?

For the most part, there are no "news reporters" any more. What we have now are "News CONTROLLERS". By "playing" with the 5 Ws and 1 H maxim, these news controllers provide propaganda in the guise of news. The liberal slant is evident in almost every "news report" seen, heard or read, while truth and integrity are kicked to the curb like a cur dog, least it interfere with the liberal agenda.

But more importantly, many Americans choose to be "spoon fed" this liberal garbage as truth. They are too lazy or unconcerned to begin to question these "liberal mouthpieces". The democrats and the MSM are all too aware of these facts, as evidenced in the almost daily polls. The American public is continually accepting their “diet of lies, twisted and distorted facts” with little or no objection.

The American public simply chooses to ignore the fact that one can tell as much from what is NOT reported as by what IS reported. Unfortunately, those who choose to be informed by less "traditional" sources are forced to live with the results of those who simply regurgitate the "evening news" as though it were fact and vote accordingly.

okjoyce
I'm something of a centrist, but when I visit liberal sites (Kos, Salon) I find the emotion too much to bother with. Bush is just hated and treated as an idiot - dialogue, respect for the other point of view? I don't think so.

I'm always looking for a place where ideas can be shared across the fence, but I haven't found it. Townhall is reasonably comfortable for me for now. Have you found something better?

Kimberly et al
Kimberly et. Al:

The Global War on Terror is just that: A global war against terrorism, terrorists, and those who would aid and shelter them.

It is NOT, I repeat, NOT, a war against one man and fought in only one location. Nor is it a purely law enforcement affair. And unlike the Democratic-sponsored ‘wars’ on poverty and drugs, this one has teeth.

As to poppy fields: yes they are there and they are still unfortunately funding the Afghanistan Government. Until and unless things stabilize to the point of vigorous attraction of foreign investment and tourism arrives, the government must use what resources it has to generate the revenue it needs. This is not justification for their actions, merely a realization of the facts.

And yes, I have been there multiple times; three times to Kabul itself and several trips elsewhere around the country. Have you been there????

Is it dangerous? Of course, so is driving to work. The Afghanis I have met have invariably been polite and those with experience in America and the West are quite friendly. And all of them appreciate us being there.

Oh, yes; Iraq:

Did you know that the Iraqi military under Saint Saddam put a missile into the side of a US warship? 1987 USS Stark. 30-some sailors (I forget the exact number) were killed.

Did you know that the same politicians who are claiming that Saint Saddam never had WMD stated that he did? 1998 – Operation Desert Fox (I was in Saudi Arabia at the time on active duty).

Did you know that under the terms of the cease fire (not peace treaty) we had the right to destroy Baghdad and every potential soldier and military asset Saint Saddam possessed if they attacked our aircraft enforcing the no-fly zones? Which they did, repeatedly.

Did you know that the infamous communications bunker bombed during Desert Storm was packed with civilians encouraged to congregate there for shelter against air raids? Encouragement provided by Saint Saddam and his Republican Guards.

Did you know that Saint Saddam paid $25000 to the surviving family members of homicide bombers which detonated in Israel? That is a commonly accepted form of terrorism, and payment for services rendered is generally considered supportive – regardless of whether payment is made to the individual or the individual’s next of kin.

Of course you DON’T know all of these things because the MSM conveniently forgets to mention them and you are proud products of the NEA’s monopoly on public ‘education’.

I could go on, but what’s the point. You will continue receiving your talking point memos from the DNC and DailyKos and continue drinking your Kool Aid secure in the fantasy that when the terrorists come for you they will understand that you are a good sheep and just want to get along. Here’s a secret for you: the wolf and the sheep get along with the sheep inside the wolf, and no where else.

Ah, dear old Sinclair...
...as if quoting an old self-loathing American Socialist's fearful, bigoted platitude makes it a truism. I cannot tell you how many times I have heard that one regurgitated lately.

As Demosthenes put it so much better than I, it is a smokescreen for the true fascistic paradigm at work in our country: the "useful idiots," America's self-loathing Liberals. It tells us something about Lewis that he died of alcoholism in the Europe which he called home after being born, much to his chagrin, in America "the most depressing...land in the world." Like Lewis, Hitler too was an avid reader of Marx.

As a former Liberal, I know the feelings all too well which drive them and which drove me. It explains why raising even the most dispassionate objection to their misuse and manufacture of "facts" raises their hackles with cries of "You fascists want to take away my free speech!" Which is an oblique attempt, in actuality, to take deny their objector's right to free speech. If this were a verbal exchange forum, it would be rather easy to imagine them storming each of us with a banner of some sort and a cacaphony of shrill Liberal voices.

I saw an ad for an upcoming Roseanne Barr HBO concert in which the ignorant (by definition) loudmouth cries, "I HATE the President!" then adds, " Is it still legal for me to say that!?" It is shear lunacy and infantile emotionalism -- fearmongering, a word they live and continually charge the Right of exercising whenever they quote Osama or Ahmeadinijad -- whenever they offer their notions of our motivations in place of the FACTS.

Conservatives and Republicans in general are the ones who have the greatest respect and admiration for the Constitution, its predominantly Christian creators (Does that make it a fascist document, Sinclair?) and the nation is fostered, and there is no one trying to abridge Liberals' free speech, let alone make it illegal.

There's loads of controversy around DEATH OF A PRESIDENT (the movie about Bush's assassination in '07), but the Republican executive and his supposed jackboots in Congress have done nothing to prevent the movie's distribution and public performance to whatever nit wants to masturbate to its hateful images. Some have denounced it -- and rightly so -- but that is merely the exercise of free speech.

In case you hand't noticed Mr. Matt and Kimberly, you can write whatever stupid crap you want and no one would come tearing down your door even if we used our real names. No, instead, here you find rational (if annoyed) conservatives tearing down your ARGUMENTS.

Good Morning...
from the West coast!

Solar!
You are so right; and you decribe my Thursday perfectly!

Like the man, GWB..."bring it on"!!!!!!

NRAlifer
Thanks for seconding my observation.

what do ya call em
what opertunists these demorats are ,if it benefits there quest for power to get there party in office they will use the war,children, old folks,and our national security and anything else to further there socialist way of government , they are the turnaround kings, support it till it goes against them then say well" i voted yes before i voted no," give me a break if they get into power again we are going to be in deep peril, you cant run a country if you cant make up your mind what your for and what your against and stick to it.

Fergus, dude
LOL on rainman and bin Laden, hilarious!!

NRAlifer -
Too true, in full burkah no less

NRAlifer -
Too true, in full burkah no less...until they are executed in the public square for disparaging Allah, fornicating ourside the bounds of marriage, seeking an abortion, or just being their lothesome selves.

And protesting their innocence and how 'unfair' it is to be executed for engaging in Constitutionally protected speech.

Dhimmi status...
... isn't available to pagans and secularists, only to Jews and Christians, the "fascist" "people of the Book."

So, NRAlifer, conversion or the sword awaits the Liberals and atheistic Socialists. So, their is a dreadfully shiny surprise awaiting them should they get their way in not fighting the "so-called" war on terror.

On second thought:
Many of the Libs will (unfortunately) survive and adapt just fine: it is the ornery cusses like us that will be executed for standing on principle.

On second thought...
... the jihadists are not real fond of affording dhimmi status to Christians and Jews especially any longer. Just as the Christian Lebanese who were driven to near-extinction by foreign Muslims who took over the "Paris" of the Middle East by force.

We will all bow to Allah and his prophet or die. Heaven forbid!

Cookie: Clinton had a timeline
For Bosnia but he lied!
Big surprize.
I wish I could remember exactly what he said re:time line,somewhere between 18 mos. and 3 yrs.
Funny how the MSM never commented on that little fact.
You're right,were still there.

iloveit,me
Thanks buddy'
I actually meant to add to line three.

3: Thursday is like Thanksgiving weekly,the whole family get's together,and argues. : )

I too am here on the left coast.

La Reina Picara
Strangely enough,Kimberly does us a favor,for one thing she unites us.
secondly,she forces alot of us to research her talking points,only to reenforce our beliefs in conservatism.
Last,but not least,she is the perfect doop of the left,and gives us all comic relief.

Halloween costume
I want to scare all the kids in the nabe when they come trick-or-treating.

I'm dressing in drag as Shrillary.

I'm going to have a tape playing Dean's concession speech ("YEEEEEEAAAARrrrgggghhhh!").

I'm hiring an actor to play Gerry Studds to grope them on the way to my door.

I'm going to have an armed robber on the streets wearing a sign saying "Democrat Taxman" holding up their parents as they wait at the sidewalk for the kids.

I'll have the scariest house in the neighborhood!

KEWL!

Random responses
"What does a weak dollar have to do with oil prices?"

Oil is traded in dollars. A weak dollar makes it more expensive.

"Bush worries more about defending us than searching for Bin Laden"

Like, sealing our borders? Oh yeah, he's not worried about that.

"Success of Afganistan and Iraq"

How long have we been fighting in these 2 theaters? OK, I understand that it's a "non-conventional" war. Yeah, then we fight using "non-conventional" means, or don't fight at all. Or is it another Vietnam, where we fight for the sake of fighting, but not to actually win.

Here's the jist of it. The way I would describe victory is, "They aren't trying to kill us or each other anymore". The reason I define it as such is because as long as they are still trying to kill us (or each other), then we will have to continue fighting them. Isn't that the objective of war? To stop the other guy from trying to kill you?

So, how are we doing? If we walked away today, would they still be actively trying to kill us or each other?

It's hard to say we are winning when you consider the reality on the ground.

Donaldd: LOL
Am I to take it you don't like Ann.
Wow thanks for posting,I need a good conspiracy theorist to brighten my day.
Sometimes I only read your post,to remind me of why I vote Rep.
Thanx
ROTFLMAO

OKJoyce
The death of 5 soldiers is unfortunate but does not mean we are losing a war or that it is not going well. It is war and people do die. Thank God that at least in this country the people who die are the ones courageous enough to die for this country. BTW we are still not on pace to lose as many soldiers as we lost in Vietnam. You know the war the "Beloved" Kennedy got us into without being attacked first.

Donaldd
You have repeated these comments multiple times and numerous people have shown you how bad you are mistaken (which you ignore).

However, Bush and the "Ken Lay" pipeline are a new one.

But alas, you are again wrong. Clinton and his administration were the ones who first backed the plan. In 1996, Clinton sent the Assistant Secretary of State for South Asia, Robin Raphael to Pakistan and Afghanistan to lobby for the pipeline.

Clinton tried for over a year, but no company wanted to deal with an unstable country.

If Afghanistan becomes stable enough to earn income from a pipeline is that a Bush conspiracy too?

Demosthenes: Birkenstocks!

Funny thing is, I somehow knew that I was going to catch flak for the Birkenstocks! (LOL) Sorry, I just couldn't resist...


BTW - Spelling mistake - I should have wrote navel not naval, i.e., navel staring.

We ignore this at our peril
Many of our neighbors (nationwide and including many major government personalities) look forward to seeing the end of the Iraq war and, as a nation, being done with it. Unhappily, they are grievously blinded by dangerous wishful thinking.

It is wrong to think of the Iraq undertaking as a "war". Rather it is a battle in an immensely greater war, the war in which the Islamofacists of the mideast seek to spread their brutal hegemony over the whole western world (to start) with no regard for the cost in human death and suffering. They have made their aspirations very clear.

It is not inappropriate to question whether the present conduct of the Iraq battle is the most propitious way to resist the broad Islamo-facist onslaught but we ignore that larger war at the peril of this nation and of much of the world we know.

War is hell; surrender to viciously cruel tyranny is immensely worse.

Dems Favorite Halloween Costume
ROFL BIGBELLY...I almost fell outta my chair reading your post! It's great to get a dose of humor from folks like you and MOUNTAIN ROSE. It sure beats reading KIMBERLY, who I now quote:
"I find (Ann's) attempt at humor sickening, her personal attacks unbecoming and striking a new low, and her writings considerably lacking in truth or substance. Desperate rants from an increasingly desperate crone".
Kim, I'm glad you admit how out of touch you are with the mainstream of our great country.
To wit:
Despite a blizzard of negative press coverage, Ann Coulter’s new book "Godless: The Church of Liberalism” has surged all the way to No. 1 on Amazon.com’s list of bestsellers -- just two days after its official publication.
Yep, she must be desperate all right.





NRAlifer -- John & ALGORE

Like shooting fish in a barrel. John obviously didn't think he was reinforcing Ann's position. A comprehensive definition of ironic should include, liberal talking points.

Insofar as Prophet of Doom, ALGORE is concerned; it’s still my contention that this guy should be outfitted with a sandwich board, soapbox and tin cup, then be made to wander the streets of America spouting his apocalyptic condemnations. Hmmm… Strike that last comment, too close to reality... but what an idea for a costume!

Kimberly
Kim - you forgot the part in your post where you say "I'm confused" (remember your post, today, over on Larry Elder's opinion piece?).

PeterE and SFC LAARNG
I agree that many liberal sites are also at fault for the divisive discourse in our country today. The title, "Townhall" however, seems to infer that two sides get a fair hearing. As an Independent (used to be Republican),
I would love to find a site where ideas are actually discussed without the infantile name-calling and juvenile characterizations so prevalent here. For the life of me, however, I can't imagine a centrist feeling "comfortable" here. You must have a very thick hide!
Back to Ann's column -- with all the current news about Iraq and other endless scandals, I think she has to be very desperate to use Afghanistan -- who was for or against the war there -- as the theme of her column. I guess it's a way to keep the important issues off the table as they don't bode well for the administration or the elections.
As to "Beloved" Kennedy and the Viet Nam War -- you're correct -- Kennedy and Bush were both wrong. Two wrongs don't make a right!

Mountain Rose,
Great post!! (12:27) I really enjoyed it.
Interesting to note, how kimberly pretends to be so nauseated and sickened to "have" to read Ann's columns, however she obviously waits until Wed eve. to be one of the first to read it every week.
Strange creatures, these liberals.............

Birkenstocks
The "fine German footwear" is all I can wear. I did discover them back in the days when I was a liberal and a Dimocrat. I given up those views and loyalties, and I now wear my Birkenstocks to the polls to vote straight Republican because the liberals and Dummycrats are too frightening to even pay attention to. My entire family wears Birks and the children's feet are healthy and their legs are straight and strong. Remember those hideous shoes we women used to be required to wear. I embarrassed the principal of the school where I was working when I switched to Birks. I'm sorry if I embarrass any of you conservatives while I'm standing in line to vote Republican in a few weeks.

I love Ann Coulter's writing! I taught writing for years; now I am an editor. She is so original and FUNNY! Her witty sarcasm is based on her knowledge of history and the law. Sometimes I feel like she's reading my mind, but she can say what I'm thinking so exquistely that I wait impatiently for her columns, books, and appearances on radio or FOX. Then I email her articles to my friends and family, and I quote her. By the way, Mountain Rose, you are an aspiring ANN! I called my husband, also a writer in to read one of your posts today! Thank you!

We need to remember to discuss the articles we are here to read, skip the comments of people who are here to be nasty, and learn the "handles" of the contributors who are here to discuss ideas. I don't believe we are really qualified to discuss other contributors,
unless we are addressing ideas. I'm not saying that some ideas of some of the posters are not patently, perhaps tauntingly, stupid and/or ignorant; a difference does exist. Deliberate distortions of the truth are still lies. I try to pity the liars who seem to think they are telling the truth. I'm not inviting them to my house, my mind, or my TRUTH!

I am always intrigued by others who "used to be Liberal," and I wish someone would start talking about what changed our minds!





MacZed
Are you saying you would rather we former liberals didn't vote in our Birks? But we want to vote for Republicans and we have at least fifty pairs of the most comfortable shoes. I even wear them to church!

We criticize....
...Kimbat, duhDonaldd, et al, but their problem is precisely what Ann is talking about. Dems constantly shift positions for political expediency, and for Kimbat and others of her ilk, trying to articulate their postiion is like trying to catch smoke. I wonder how many dems would immediately play up their vote for the Iraq venture if polls suddenly indicated majority support for the war? My guess is all of them. You can't lead based on polls, and you can't allow your convictions to be swayed by the winds of opinion. Maggie Thatcher had a brilliant assessment; "Consensus is the absence of leadership."

GWB, right or wrong, has been true to his convictions. Clinton took a poll, and then tried to triangulate the best political position to keep his poll numbers up. Who's the leader here?

OKJoyce
You mentioned that Kimberly and others of her ilk have thoughtful comments... please give an example. While they may be out there, thus far the handful of Kimberly comments that I've seen have read something along these lines: "Ann Coulter/Dennis Prager/[Insert Conservative Writer here] is a right-wing shill who is desperately trying to avoid the truth. He/She is a raving idiot who's pathetic attempts at humor are only surpassed in stupidity by his/her vile remarks about my idols, Howard Dean, Hillary Clinton, and Bruce Springsteen."

Tell me, OKJoyce, where in that hogwash is there a thought at all, much less a thoughtFUL comment?

Maliki is corrupt
I had my fears & doubts about al-Maliki's true loyalties for some time now, and when I read today about his condemning of the U.S. and Iraqi police forces raiding of al-Sadr's militia, my fears were confirmed.

We're there to help and defend his newly formed government and this is how he replies??!!

Can we trust any of them? Ever? The friend is really my enemy, my enemies are his friends and we're fighting the friends enemies who are really my friend or are they enemies too...geeze no wonder the Arabs are all... as the bible states "wild jacka***s" against everyone.

Cowboy Not feeling well?
Happy to see you're sick,nah not really.
But I love seeing a lib. squirm.

Hey Ann you're still making my day.

Kimberly, Remind me again...
...what was the lie that got us involved in Iraq?

Saddam was acting guilty as sin, saying he had WMDs, making the UN and its inspectors look like monkeys. Someone had to put teeth in the UN resolutions. But that was only one of the 10 or 12 reasons that we went in.

Upon invading, we found that Saddam had lied about one of the 12 reasons for invading Iraq. Is that the lie you were referring to?

I bet you thought Bush lied about WMD, but no, it was Saddam.

Bush's Halloween Horror...
George Bush is the first American President expressing Christian certitude in his Presidential decisions. God even speaks to Bush, and as the President told the press, he consulted with “another Father,” “a higher authority” than Bush41 on going to war with Iraq. If true, presumably God would have also told him how to win this Iraq war without all the mistakes, suffering and death.

The world has seen Christian certitude before and it’s not a pretty picture: papal infallibility when the Pope had armies, the Inquisition (intolerance at home) and the Crusades (intolerance abroad). When the Crusaders captured Jerusalem in 1099, they slaughtered all its inhabitants. When the Arab leader Saladin recaptured the city, he spared all the Christian inhabitants. So the Middle East is already primed for another war with Christian invaders; and accordingly and as the latest NIE confirms, the war in Iraq has increased the number of jihadists and terrorists and made America less safe. This is not praise for the enemy, but history and insight into why our “bring it on” cowboy President is only rekindling and fueling this centuries-old fire.

Our brave, innocent young men and women in Iraq and Afghanistan are fighting for a better world, but a leader ignorant of history and cultures can easily cause the opposite. The stupidity of World War I and of Wilson, Lloyd George and Clemenceau caused terrible consequences for another 70 years after the end of that war. Afghanistan is the right war, certainly a just war and the whole world agreed and was on our side, and if we would have concentrated our efforts there we probably would have wiped out Bin Laden and those responsible for 9-11 by now. Iraq is the wrong war even if hopefully we win it, and Iran will be another, but larger wrong war.

The leader of Iran comes off as a whacko, however, the Iranians and the rest of the world view George Bush in the same way, so there is a common starting point. Real diplomacy involves talking with your adversary one-on-one without preconditions, and Russia and China have forced Bush to make a positive step in that direction. And there’s a lot to discuss with Iran: the CIA in the 1950s, the Shah, the 1979 hostage crisis, sponsorship of terror, Israel and justice in the Middle East. But if past is prelude, then Bush’s diplomacy with Iran will be perfunctory and manipulated (as it was with Iraq), and likely God has already spoken to our President and told him to go to war after the November 2006 elections (as he did with Iraq in 2002-2003). When Bush finally increases the level of hatred against the United States to where it engulfs Pakistan, then we face nuclear terror, and Biblical Armageddon becomes real and a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Back at home, Christian certitude is present in Bush’s politics of division and hate. Nonbelievers of Bush’s Christian values and policies are viewed with contempt, instead of as fellow citizens in a pluralistic democracy. Civility has gone out of our civilization, and this type of Christian Right hate is now completely out of the closet with Ann Coulter’s latest book, which has been repudiated by few if any on the right who claim to practice the Christian message of love. Hate, hate, hate -- welcome to the new Christian America (not exactly like Mother Theresa or the Amish). The Foley-Hastert scandal further shows the actual evil of this "perfect" practice of Christian good.

“Good and evil” is a concept common in religion, morality and ethics. Obviously the whole world needs more good and less evil. But is there a practical definition that everyone can agree on and that lends itself to objective measurement. How about: GOOD is something that makes the many human lives better and no or few lives worse, while EVIL is something that makes many lives worse, and no or few lives better. Some obvious good in this world: Habitat for Humanity, St Jude’s Children Hospital, etc. Evil under this definition would include a considerable number of Hollywood movies, a lot of poison on TV and violent video games.

Measuring George Bush’s actions by this definition with objective facts, our compassionate conservative, Christian President does mostly evil: from the growing Iraq disaster to Katrina mismanagement/incompetence to “no child left behind” (children in extreme poverty up 20% since Bush took office) to the $3 trillion dollar tax giveaway to the rich. Particulars on the last item: SUPPLY-SIDE (trickle-down) economics is a bogus theory promoted by those who benefit from it. In a mature capitalist system, supply side never rules, it’s always the demand side of the equation that governs growth and well-being. Think about the 1930s Depression, General Motors had plenty of supply, but demand evaporated.

Previous U.S. recessions have been cured with only $200 billion in tax cuts targeted to the middle class, because the consumer (the great middle class) spends that tax cut and primes the economic pump. But George Bush has raised the debt that our children and grandchildren will have to pay from almost $6 trillion to almost $9 trillion for this current recovery, which is uniquely without wage gains, and which has shrunk the middle class that makes America strong and great.

Corporations (the supply side) are now loaded with cash, but there’s no place to spend it because they don’t see any demand. So many corporations are using that cash to buy back their stock -- WOW, isn’t supply side wonderful in how it fulfills America’s needs? As the rich-poor divide increases, we’re headed toward previous shining examples of trickle-down economics: South America of the recent past and feudalism in the Middle Ages (South America and feudalism also had no wage gains). This is such good evil by our Christian President and his myriad of engorged friends.

I see a dark future for the country we all love. Even our Constitution is at risk when a President says he speaks directly to God (witness how God/Allah influences and corrupts Islamic attempts at democracy). The Constitution guarantees freedom to all, and freedom for all from tyranny. Our precious Constitution binds us together as a nation, and allegiance to it is the definition of patriotism.

P.S. Dear Ann,

Thank you for your hatred, and your beautiful witnessing of Christ's message in your life.

With love,
Your fellow American citizen, John

RE: "Namecalling"
OKJoyce said: “I would love to find a site where ideas are actually discussed without the infantile name-calling and juvenile characterizations so prevalent here.”

Give me an idea and I’ll discuss it. Kimberly offered no “ideas” (except in the technical sense of employing concepts and abstractions), just scurrilous characterizations. She said: “If I were a rightwing shill like Coulter, I think I'd write about something like how gay couples influence our household pets . . .” Do you call that an “idea” that’s ripe for “discussion?” I don‘t, and therefore didn’t “discuss” it. I just identified the approriate recepticle for her ventilations. People who bring verbal stinkbombs to a real “discussion” need to be reproached and shown the door. Kimberly invoked her own rebuke, and I offer no apologies for being its agent.

"wipe out"
..yeah MacZed maybe you're right. You might have the only REAL workable solution there.


Oh, Annie
Once again Ann is making things up. I was curious about the quote attributed to Joe Biden in his Oct. 2001 speech to the Council on Foreign Relations ("this high-tech bully that thinks from the air we can do whatever we want to do."), so I looked up the speech, and just as I suspected, the quote is nowhere to be found. It is however, in the transcript of the Q & A after the speech, and it reads: "The part that I think flies in the face of and plays into every stereotypical criticism of us is we're this high tech bully that thinks from the air we can do whatever we want to do, and it builds the case for those who want to make the case against us that all we're doing is indiscriminately bombing innocents, which is not the truth." What Biden is saying is exactly opposite of what Annie is accusing him of - check it out for yourselves:http://biden.senate.gov/newsroom/details.cfm?id=229598&&. In addition, let me use one of Annie's favorite tactics - the ol' switcheroo: if Bush - or any of his administration - gave the speech that Biden did, you righties would be falling all over yourselves trying to be the first one to agree with him. Just face it, Ann makes things up, she continuously takes quotes out of context, and she accuses without providing proof ("Howard Dean joined Michael Moore in arguing that Osama bin Laden was innocent until proved guilty." Could you tell us where you grabbed that one, Ann?) I can't believe, after all this time, people still believe, or agree, with anything she says.


Centrists
OKJoyce,

Do not labor under any misconception that we conservatives live to make centrists feel comfortable. To a conservative, a centrist is someone who has no beliefs of her own. Instead she (by definition of the term centrist) molds her beliefs to what she perceives to be half way between the left and right.

Conservatives actually have more respect for a genuine liberal who truly believes things like abortion, socialism, and affirmative action are superior social policies than we have for self declared centrists who, again by definition, essentially allow everyone else to determine what their position must be.

If you don't believe me ask the cons on this board how they feel about Clinton, a self-declared centrist, and McCain, an actual centrist masquerading as a conservative (speaking of Halloween).

since you choose to deride ....
actually someone who calls themselves a centrist (like moi) seeks consistently to avoid the herd mentality of the devotees, the true believers, and see the issues as they stand. What is most notable in the politicized blogs for whoch the internet is justly famed is the lack of actual discussion, debate, and sharing of facts. One is supposed to come to these boards with ones ideas fully formed, and blast away at the opposition with all the passion of a white sock at a yankees game. Thought? Nah. Researching the facts? Probably not.

Of course the term centrist is misleading, as pointed out a few years ago by a foreigner called Aristotle. He pointed out that the concept of the golden mean was not to be achieved by subdiving the ends.

Another non-yankee, by the name of Hegel, pointed out that thought usually progresses through the synthesis of opposites. Indicating that the opposites with which one contends are unlikey to represent the ultimate truth.

But of course if one's goal is ridicule of all who disagree with y'all, go ahead ...

MacZed : LOL
Come up with all of that in one brilliant flash did you?
That was a great line!

I give you credit for reading that drivle.
To me he just takes up bit space on my computer,I have to wait longer for the page to load,being on dial up.
None the less,great line.

RPM
Not only is your logic, if it can be called such, laughable, but you use the dreaded "neocon" word.

I keep wondering why you people don't just come right out and call us Jews.

Rose
"NOW THAT IS THE FUNNIEST THING I HAVE HEARD ALL DAY!"

OK, so have you hear this one:

What did one sock puppet say to the other sock puppet?

Who cares?

That's Kimberly and OKJoyce.

What I can't figure out is why my r0_d2 script isn't working anymore. It must have crawled LittleGreenFootballs and gotten smashed by Nekama's Troll Hammer at http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=7856#c0019 .

MacZed
Thanks you for your comments about my Birkenstocks. I will do all I can to save us. I have grandchildren, and these liberals scare me to death. They will NOT care about my grandchildren.

A comment about what changed this liberal Democrat: I suppose I was always an economic, financial conservative.And I marched against the Gulf War. Sorry, I believed CNN back then when they lied about the babies and the incubators and the milk factory.

But since I had really begun to worry about our deficit, I began twirling the dial on a shortwave and found a new network called For the People with Chuck Harder. I began to understand some things differently and then I heard Ross Perot on an NPR broadcast with David Frost. (I had read all of Ayn Rand YEARS before, but it was Ross Perot's plain speaking that excited me. I still believe he won, and know many others who believe that and we joined the United We Stand party.

But we got Billy Boy playing President and Hugh Hefner. We got Hillary calling for FBI files and firing all the people at the travel office and unable to find the billing records and Vince Foster's "suicide" and Reno's unJustice Department and Ruby Ridge and Waco (killing innocent American women and children with a military that I pay for), and Ron Brown's death, and on and on. All of it added up.

I read Terry Reed's book "Comprised" and met him in person. His wife grew up right down the street from where I live now, and his mother taught in the same school district I did, so I knew Terry and Janice told truth. The Clintons and the Dixie Mafia may be the real Democratic party with Hillary having trained under some quite impressive Communists.

So I looked around and saw George W. and his sweet wife Laura being demonized. I still voted Independently in 2000, and then watched as Al Gore and his crooks (I mean taking money from nuns who had sworn a vow of poverty?) try to steal the election. I couldn't associate even with any liberals again. I began to notice Kimberly's tone in all of those liberals I had called my friends.

When they began to insist that I vote for John Kerry, because they hated W. with such hideos venom and part of that was that he dared to declare his faith and describe his prayer life!

John Kerry had been doing his ugly deed before the Senate Committee while my little brother (that I raised after my mother died) was still in 'Nam really doing his job to win that war although his liberal wife wanted him to declare himself 4F on mental grounds. He died with a mortar shell to the head while Kerry was lying all over the country. And here in Kansas City, Kerry was meeting with veterans encouraging them to tell made-up stories to convince the Senate Committee that they had been baby-killers. Kerry the Kreep! How could I vote for a man who called my brother a baby-killer?

So I put on my Birkenstocks in November of 2004 and voted against every Kimberly I could. I voted straight down the line for any Republican I could, and I plan to do the same.

But I long for a fiscal conservative and although the economy is booming with the tax cuts, the trade defict must be looked at more carefully.

And I agree with you guys who are worried that Malawi is too cozy with al Sadr, and by the way I met and spoke with length with Dick Myers, the past Chairman of the Chiefs-of-Staffs, before Pete. What a gentleman His sister taught Art at a high school near my home!

Sorry this went on so long. But I guess it's long story. I was born on November 11, 1941. My dad and his brothers all enlisted shortly after Pearl Harbor. You see I truly believe that the IslamoFASCITS want to contol the world and make me and my children and grandchildren pray to Allah at least six times a day! I believe they are terribly misled and in many cases quite uneducated. (By the way, I met a cool Iraqi young woman, not in a veil, working at a nearby Olive Garden. She attends a college nearby.)

Rockman
We're still in Bosnia and Korea.

Yes, it is an unconventional war. Perhaps we should do what we did to win WWII--bomb the place into the dirt. It worked with Germany. It took two nuclear warheads to force Japan to surrender (they don't even have a word for that).

The Psychology of a Democrat:
You are in his house.
You get a drink of water.
You put the empty glass on the drainboard and
he will tell you to put it in the sink.

But:

If you first put it in the sink, he will tell you to put it on the drainboard.

But:

If, after drinking the water you ask him if he wants the empty glass on the drainboard or in the sink.

He will answer, "It doesn't matter."

DavidMac
"read Kimberly's latest rant about the evils of America and the Republicans."

I can help you fix your daily routine, if you'd like.

There's only that one pesky item that needs to be removed. When you see the word, "Kimberly", page down, page up, or scrolling is recommended.

PeterE
If you have read (and understand) Hegel and Fuerbach and Dialectic Materialism, why the post?

Buck
The picture you paint of a narcissist and or socio/psychopathic personality is beautiful.

Brava.

PeterE
I did not deride centrists. I simply pointed out that by definition they let everyone else dictate their position.

I also pointed out that making centrists feel comfortable is not an objective for conservatives. OKJoyce presumes that the goals of others are similar to hers. Most people do. This is a normal but false presumption. And apparently one of her goals is to "fit in" and another is to "persuade." Conervatives do not necessarily share these goals, especially the one about fitting in.

And are you not demonstrating pejorative derision yourself with your "herd mentality" reference. Do you think I (we) have never had this discussion before with other proud "independents", "moderates", "centrists" or whatever other non-committal moniker you choose to apply to yourself? Do you really think the "I'm not tied to any one ideology" refrain isn't as old as dirt by now?

Does it not occur to you that conservatives might come to this board with opinions fully formed bcause we have actually done a great deal of research and given that research a great deal of thought? If it does you do a good job of hiding it with derisive comments about white socks, yankees, thought, and research.

If the term "centrist" is so misleading why do you use it to describe yourself? Is it your intention to deceive? If yes, why should we trust you? If no, why should we trust you? (You're the one who has dragged Aristotlean logic into the discussion.)

And if you really are a philosopher worthy of the teachings of Hegel you know that are so many other philosophers of equal stature whose approaches to "thought" and logic differ from Hegel that he is but one voice of many. And what if one's philosophy "opposes" Hegel (Newton, for example, was a linear, logical thinker)? Do we then engage in what is an endless compromise between opposing schools of thought, or do we decide for ourselves what is right and make a stand? If you choose the former you qualify as a moderate or centrist, and will never lead. And you're unwilling to lead, my linear logic tells me I cannot follow you. Or your advice. Get it?


WHOOPS!
I should have said "Bravo".

My greatest fear
post 9-11 was the fast capture/killng of bin-laden, so the dimocrats could yell" its over, we won, bring all the troops home", turn their back on the reality that this war will be going on until 1. islam grows up and decides to join the rest of usin the 21st century rather than have the rest of the world join them in the 7th century, or 2. islam wins and we have a world caliphate. It Just never entered My mind that instead the dims would scream "its over, we lost, bring all the troops back home so we can fight islam in philly instead of fallujah"
silly me, how can they "turn their back on reality", when it is something they have never faced. ( but then again, having so many faces,(would be slighting them to call them "two faced") one would thing ONE of their faces had to, at some time, at least scanned across that most difficult concept for them to convieve

Creative FIction Award
JohnCitizen wins.

The pope was not considered infallible at the time when he had functioning armies. Facts usually interfere with liberal fictions.

the essence of ad hominem
It became pointless a long time ago attempting to keep fellow bloggers on the path rather than attacking others based on assumptions about personality, intelligence and motivation. But that is where the herd mentality leds us. If you don't understand the other's point of view - well there must be something lacking in his/her personality, intelligence and/or motivation.

But while passions are raised in times of war, so is the significance of keeping your head and struggling to analyse what is going on.

If we sucked all of the personal abuse and misunderstanding out of this thread, how many pixels, lonely but proud, would be left?

I admit, it can be fun. Let me just say - in case any dem reading might still think that victory can be had through browbeating - that although I did not think that the war was a good idea, the lack of moral purpose, conviction and steadfastness of the war's opponents led me almost to defend it. Well at least the nation is not following Kerry (or Flipper), and at least the nation is prepared to make sacrifices for what might be principle, rather than take it on the chin and pretend that that was a defensive posture.

But the left rhetoric is all non-policy. Hillary said, just a couple of days ago that "staying the course" is not a policy - just before Bush determined to change his verbage. Where is something from Hillary that could be called an alternative - that Bush is not already trying?

No; political discourse is in sad disarray. How about respecting those who have crossed the fence, such as 9/11 Republicans? How about respecting those who are far less than crazy about the war - but would never leave the future of this country during a time of war in the hands of leaders whose only attribute seems to be political survival (see Bob Menendez) and who have no hope of even agreeing amongst themselves?

Kimberly : how is Error America?
I may give you a hard time,but I actually do enjoy the banter,unlike some on here.
Funny how those you mention as desperate and screechy,actually have jobs'
Unlike those formerly employed,by Error America.

Like I said I love Ann,it may be old to you,but to me it's refreshing,and I can always look forward to your hit piece to follow.
By the way,what are the latest marching orders?
Shhh''You can tell me,I won't tell anyone.

To the writer and posters out there!
To the writer of the article:

In all honesty, this is the first article I have read from you. I think that the points that you have mentioned in this article still hit home. To anyone who questions that this is "old news" or something to that equivalent, then please explain to me why, as I can hear or see many times that individuals in our government are still talking about this issue?

To Solar, MacZed, and the many others that have posted:
I think that you have done a great job expressing your points on this article. I too would present my opinion that party lines put aside, we would be doing the same thing that we are doing now, the finger would just be pointed at someone else.

In addition, I would like to point out that for all the bashing of the administration does, NEITHER side has mentioned the fact of all the aid efforts we do. One of the most that hits home for me is the tsunami relief effort (you'll see why if you check out the last blog I wrote). Do we all agree with everything an administration has done? Probably not, but the extremes that are being taken is just... well, childish IN MY OPINION.

To Kimberly:
If your disagreement with this administration can be organized into points, (i.e. "The administration lied to start the war with Iraq") and cite your references, I would love to debate you on this. Heck, jump on over to my blog, post anywhere through a comment on there, and I welcome to look at this with you in more detail. But I do ask one thing if you decide to do this: As you will see in the blog, I like to do a debate in a civilized manner. Please cite your sources that you have based your opinion on. If you do not have sources that you can site, or this is purely your opinion, simply say so and I will accept that as well. I do ask that you keep the name calling out, and I will gladly offer the same.

I know that others might disagree with this choice, but you know what? Sometimes people just need to vent their frustration. I'll welcome that on my blog as long as they are open to my comments and can agree to disagree if it gets to a point that the discussion would escalate beyond civilized conversation.

For Jannieb:
I have been thinking about writing exactly what you asked for too long. My last blog post, which I just added, will explain what changed my thinking through the years to shape my opinion the way it is now. I would be happy to expand on that if there are any questions about it.

Thank you all for your time.

And Jerubaal...
I like the LGF link, that's also the first time I saw that. That is a very impressive post backed by its resources. That is a very good example of the posting I look forward to seeing...

wiseone
Take a Bow'
Very well said,I don't think even Rush put it so clearly.

RPM
If you believe in high taxation you are not a republican, or at the very least are not a conservative. It's like being a liberal who doesn't believe in the welfare state. You cannot be one of you believe the other.

Democrats, the brave warriors, ha!
The Democrats better not get in control of anything, because they'll have to back up everthing they complained about. Especially about fighting and killing terrorist. The only way a Democrat will go after anyone who attacks this country is to find out if they believe in God and is a Republican. Can you imagine Nancy Pelosi chasing Osama and then yelling, you better not come back. Or Harry Reid proclaiming to the world, he feels safe. I'm interested in how the Democrats will explan to Cindy Sheehan, the antiwar protesters, and the antiAmericans, their reasons for not immediately pulling all the troops out of Iraq, like Spain pulled it's troops out after the Socialist won the election. It's better for the Democrats if they don't win the election. This way they can go on complaining, not contributing anything. They can keep on calling President Bush a failure, call for changing the course, and attacking our troops as much as the terrorist do. The Democrats talk big, as long as they do it standing behind President Bush. What will happen if they have to face these rogue leaders face to face like they want President Bush to. They'll come apart faster then Al Gore did after losing the 2000 Presidential election. The Democrats ideology isn't prepared to handle issues like National Security, the Patriotic Act, the Surveillance eavesdropping program, and chasing down terrorist who attacks this country. Their not use to protecting this country. Their more used to attacking every fiber of what it is being American. These brave Democrats who talked themselves into believing the radical Muslims in Afghanistan are totally different then the radical Muslims in Iraq, wants to lead this country in the war against terrorism. They can't even understand the enemy we're fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq are one and the same, how will they know who the enemy is if their selection is based on their politics.

PeterE
Reagan and LBJ were both elected in landslides, indicating that they both received the centrist vote. If you voted for both, you'll be the first i've met. I know there has got to be at least one out there.

PUBLIC SEVICE ANOUNCMENT
to all you fun loving radical leftist. Don't forget the suicide watch begins at 1900 hours, November 7, 2006.

Free koolaid for all comers, I recommend the cherry.


GunnyG?
You got your old handle back?

I take it the "NRALifer" is now doubly retired?

Whassup, bra?

Democrats might have a point
You know, we rag on the democrats all the time, but just because there are more terrorists in Iraq now than anywhere ever before, that doesn't necessarily mean Iraq is part of the war on terror.

And there are parts of the war on terror that republicans don't support, like the part where terrorists need universal health care in order to be happy enough not to kill us. And the horrifying terror imposed on the families of suicide bombers because Bush rewards big business with tax incentives for cruelly denying them life insurance benefits.

Not to mention that terrorism would go way down if we had harsher gun control laws. And if we had higher taxes, terrorists would have less money to spend on explosives and plane tickets.

Who says democrats don't have a plan to win the war on terror?

Fight to win or don't fight at all.
pamsparkle:

"We're still in Bosnia and Korea."

Yes, and how are we doing? Did we "win"? If we are still there, then I guess the answer is "No". Which is exactly my point. Why send our troops in to fight if we aren't going to let them win? What's the purpose of having the most advanced military in the world if we aren't going to use it to actually win wars? How many different places in the world do we have to act as "policemen" because we won't let our troops actually win the war?

Our troops aren't policemen. And quite frankly, I think most of them are insulted when we treat them as such. They are trained to do horrible things when called upon. Don't ask them to risk their lives unless you are prepared to let them do those horrible things if that is what it takes to win. Give them the tools they need to win and then let them loose so they can do their jobs and come home as soon as possible. Don't tie their hands.

"Yes, it is an unconventional war. Perhaps we should do what we did to win WWII--bomb the place into the dirt. It worked with Germany."

Well, maybe then people would think twice about messing with us. If the world knew that we would use the full force of our military to utterly anialate theirs, then I think they would get the hint that we DO intend to win any war we get into.

If you have a village that is infested with "insurgents", wipe out the village. If you find another village that is infested with "insurgents", tell them that their village will be wiped out too unless they turn in the insurgents. If they don't turn them in and our troops still get attacked by insurgents, pull out our troops and wipe out the village. Continue until eaither there are no more insurgents, no more attacks on our troops, or no more villages. Make it clear that our troops are not there to be their "friends". They are there to restore peace and order. We can talk about being friends once peace and order is restored and they quit acting like barbarians.

"It took two nuclear warheads to force Japan to surrender (they don't even have a word for that)."

Actually, they do. It's hofuku (??).

How quickly did Japan surrender once they realized that we would utterly destroy their country if they didn't surrender? Days. THAT'S how you win a war. Make it clear that if suicide is their desire, then we will accomidate them post haste. Call their bluff. Make it clear that if they mess with the US, they are committing suicide. No "ifs". No "ands". No "buts".

Fight to win or don't fight at all.



Intellictual honesty
Is severly lacking on this board. You wan't to know what's destroying this country? Just look in a mirror. True American's live by the statement: "While I may not like or agree with what you have to say, I will defend, with my life, your right to say it." If I was sinking in a pit of quick sand, I would hope any would be rescuers who found me are not today's conservative republicans. I say this because while today's liberal democrats might not have one cohesive plan to save me they would at least try. Today's conservative republicans would only try to save me if I was "one of them".

John Citizen, Polly, Kimberly
Polly, Polly, Polly, as stated by another, we still have troops in Bosnia. My point still valid-those obstacles and pointed questions asked of Republican presidents are not asked of or required of democrat presidents.

Kimberly, look up the definition of a lie. It is the intentional telling of something you know is false. The whole world said Saddam had WMD. You may still say he lied. Then you would have to include all your liberal heroes who encouraged Clinton to take action in '98. Wonder how Bush tricked them all 2 years before winning the presidency.

John Citizen, you missed the whole point of the article (see my previous post). Your side was never fully behind the war effort in Afghanistan. Ann proves that with the quotes used-that's why we have to recycle this stuff constantly because history does not start anew every morning. Liberals just need a fig leaf to appear tough and hope we all forget what they actually said. Isn't the modern era great where you guys can't get away with it anymore? Foey/Hastert scandal? Please!!! Like you liberals care. If your party did, they wouldn't have honored Gary Studds who died just after the Foley e-mails were revealed. Honored a guy who ACTUALLY HAD SEX WITH A PAGE! 17 year old male. No outrage so please quit pretending the Foley stuff is scandalous. Last, if Hillary gets in, she'll talk to Eleanor Roosevelt. I'd rather someone seek guidance from God-silly me.

Former Rep
Much more charity comes from Red states to those you would presume are not "our people." A dem would try to find another's rope (Government) so they wouldn't have to give up their property. The democrats embody the phrase, "Do as I say, not as I do."

Mountain Rose
I figured out what is next inline as the Liberal catastrophy DuJour,(Water)!
I have been receiveing propaganda from some of my suppliers,I used to sell waterless toilets.
They make outrages calims,such as,,the world is running out of fresh drinking water.
90% of the worlds water is poluted,we must do our part.
Forgive me I thought the water on this planet has been here since time began,and it does rain,does'nt it'replenishing streams.
This is their next power grab,who ever controls the water,is King.
I know I'm not nut's,you know how the Sociaists are!

Yeah'I could'nt resist the jab at ol Kimmy.
They went,without a sound....well maybe a little
hiSSSSSSS' the sound of white noise,if you tried to tune it in.

Rockman
Exactly. There is no substitute for victory. Once force is on the table, there is no way victory can be gained by being nice.

Intellictual honesty pt.2
You wan't to know what's destroying this country?
True American's live by the statement: "While I may not like or agree with what you have to say, I will defend, with my life, your right to say it--unless you are yelling 'FIRE!' in a theater when there is no fire or you are showing pornographic American G.I. snuff films on CNN. Then we just might slap your rear-end in Gitmo or ship you up to Canada because you have betrayed your own country in a time of war"
If I was sinking in a pit of quick sand, I would hope any would be rescuers who found me are not today's liberals--Republican or Democrat. I say this because while today's conservatives might have not one--but many cohesive plans to save me they would at least try one plan. Today's liberals would want "to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding to our attackers."







Remember those 20,000 bodybags?
The libs also made a great big deal early on of that shipment of 20,000 body bags into Iraq. That right there should have been a big red flag that the libs were going to sell us down the river big time. Even after the 12 years of warmongering coming from the libs and all of them demanding a vote to go to war in Iraq--and who can forget the show'n'tell jumping through hoops at the U.N. that they all required?-- we all should have known better and not tried to do something about their worries in regards to Iraq.
All of these Republicans who are spewing the 'if I had known now what I didn't know then' crap need to either get out of the party or shut the heck up--you are just trying to appease liberals once again so stop it--they'll try to get your friends and relatives killed if it means they can get some power back and playing the 'I didn't know' card will not make them like you any better.
I will vote from now on for whoever will do exactly the opposite of whatever a liberal wants. That's what they do now to us so we should all return the favor from now on. If that's the game they want to play we should play it with fervent abandon.


World War III
'Fraid MacZed is right on this one. Will somebody please pay attention!

JohnCitizen....
.... gets tonight's award for longest cut & paste award. His comment(ary) has appeared in these pages at least once and maybe more in its entirety.

Typical lib... always thinking a repetitive message will convince us that a lie becomes the truth if oft repeated.


Kimberly...
... gotta tell you. Love your moxie.

You kind of remind me of the guy who kept hitting his thumb with a hammer... over and over. When asked why he does it, he replies, "'Cause it feels so good when I stop!"

Brummy
But yet you defend the adminstration's yelling about Iraq "They have WMD's", "They are Al Qaada supporters", "They are responsible for the 9-11-01 attacks", etc. When none of it was true? There is no way the administration and our intelligence community can be that inept and misinformed. If the level of compentence is truly that low we are doomed anyway. You do realize that the fact that since nothing will change my opinion on this subject as I am sure nothing will change yours is one of the contributing factors to our country's demise. Niether of us will actually listen to the other. It seems the only thing we have in common is you think my opinions are as crazy and misinformed as I think your's are. Yep, we are in deep.....

MacZed:

You are out of control!

When I was scrolling up (after hitting refresh) I thought I somehow moved to a different thread.

You really should not be encouraging John's bad behavior. (LOL)

pmiddy: Dean – ARRRAAAAAAGHHH!

Ask and you shall receive.

Regarding Dean’s “arguing that Osama bin Laden was innocent until proved guilty.” The following was written in a NH paper, the Concord Monitor on 12/26/2003: “But wouldn't most Americans feel strongly that bin Laden should be tried in America - and put to death? ‘I've resisted pronouncing a sentence before guilt is found,’ Dean said. ‘I still have this old-fashioned notion that even with people like Osama, who is very likely to be found guilty, we should do our best not to, in positions of executive power, not to prejudge jury trials. So I'm sure that is the correct sentiment of most Americans, but I do think if you're running for president, or if you are president, it's best to say that the full range of penalties should be available. But it's not so great to prejudge the judicial system. ARRRAAAAAAGHHH! ’”

The “ARRRAAAAAAGHHH!” actually came, as you are (I’m sure) well aware, during Iowa, but is it any wonder he eventually vented the primal Dean scream? Anyone with that much dissonance going on in his squash would be forced to either scream or explode.

BTW – Are you a Deaniac?

I see no one
disputing pmiddy's verified claim that Ann Coulter uses out of context quotes in her attempt to demonize people who disagree with her opinions. I am amazed that anyone on either side of this debate would point out how the "other side" will do and say anything to get re-elected. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

Former_Rep_Never_a_Dem:

Read above concerning Dean - ARRRAAAAAAGHHH!

Norm Kerrs was on damage control after Biden's comments. From CNN: "Hastert was referring to Biden's remarks made Monday to the Council on Foreign Relations. Biden spokesman Norm Kerrs accused Hastert of taking Biden's words out of context."

Which remarks was he referring to? Again CNN: "In his remarks Monday, Biden said he hopes the U.S. air campaign against Afghanistan doesn't last too long because it 'plays into every stereotypical criticism of us is we're this high-tech bully that thinks from the air we can do whatever we want to do, and it builds the case for those who want to make the case against us that all we're doing is indiscriminately bombing innocents, which is not the truth.'

What you, pmiddy and Kerrs refer to as, "out of context" I would refer to as trying to put "Lipstick on a pig." Biden sounds like a Philadelphia lawyer; after implying the worst about the US and our military, he thinly veils it with a feint.


http://archives.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/10/24/ret.hastert.biden/index.html

Sorry, Ann, I Disagree With You
Well...not really.

How about we just wipe out Syria just for warm ups? Then we hit North Korea just because we feel like it--and accidentally hit China somewhere as a warning shot across the bow--then we can attack Iran.

Of course, we should do all this before Christmas, so that the MSM will not be able to use the term quagmire when reporting their stories.

Do you think they might use blitzkrieg instead in order to be able to continue using the Hitler analogies in denouncing President Bush?

In the end, we can say that we were trying to prevent global warming by bombing a few countries back into the Stone Age--a time slightly before the Industrial Revolution.

Synergy
Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter should hook up....then each would have someone who cares to listen to the ugly, hateful, vitriolic things they say! They are meant for each other.

Mountain Rose: Clogged!

MacZed has to shoulder most of the "clogged up the website" blame this time -- 2,448 words, give or take a link or two. Methinks he was having some fun at Comrade Johnny's expense. (LOL)

MacZed no sorry needed.
You are right about the Koran. And it's about time someone had the cahones to say it!!

But don't hold your breath about anything being done in exposing the truth, the CAIR cabal has that one tightly in check.

Yeah religion of peace...my big toe!

Just Testing
Wow!!

The Republican Party is NOT Conservative

Democrats New Halloween Costume
I heard that Hillary Clinton might wear a nuns habit for halloween with a sign on front..."We people of Faith"

My Two Cents Worth
I keep reading Libs comments about the failures of George W. Bush as a president. When you look at the specific things they point out, all the "wrong things" were actually consessions to the Democrats to show he was not closed minded (no child left behind, no border control, overspending the budget) or things that if he had done the opposite would have brought howls of discontent from the left. Can you imagine if the U.S. had truly invaded and annilated Afghanistan and then done the same in Pakistan and not allowed NATO or UN troops to maintain control? Mr. Bush tried to play the nice guy and not offend Muslims (giving consessions to the left) and what did it get him? No matter what he does, the left will not allow themselves to publicly condone any action. Even when Bush acts like a Democrat the left cries foul. The hypocracy of the left is so evident that it is mind boggling.
Based on what I have seen and read, we would all have been better off had Bush actually acted like a Conservative. The hand wringing from the Democrats would be the same, but our Nation's postion in the war, socially and economically would be better.

demo america
Do you reckon the Clintons think,if they pretend to convert to Islam and change their names to Billybabla and Hillatolla Clintahammud,that Adolphatoldya al Kilanmaimye or Ahkalugi Ahnyu or whomever is in charge of the Muzzlethim Jihadists is going to let them run something just because they did their best to hinder AMERICA'S war effort? How could the democrats possibly protect us? They won't listen in when terrorists call their buds in America, and there are probably already plenty here, but with their plan to open up the borders and give all kinds of aid and rights to illegal innvaders that Americans don't have, there will be a flood. They will ignore money being sent from terrorists to people in this country that our children have to live in. They will let the terrorists do anything they want to, as long as they promise not to do it again. They will tax the economy into a recession to support any freeloader on the planet, as long as they move here and register as a democrat. They will release the terrorists we have captured, including the mastermind of 911, with compensation, but treat the terrorists so well they will only leave 'CLUB GITMO REST RESORT AND SPA'if they let them stay in AMERICA, which the Demo's will gladly let them do if the terrorists register as Democrats. They will blame anything that goes wrong on BUSH. They will have orgies in the White House and not answer the phone when someone calls, wanting permission to protect America, which they would not let them do, anyway, without a warrant from a judge who won't answer the phone because they are at an orgie at the whitehouse.I wonder how many people have died as a result of the premature, biased conclusions, deceitful exaggerations, and outright lies broadcast by the leftist 'americans' in their attempt to take control of AMERICA. Imagine a young Moslem boy, trying to decide if the radical islamists are right or wrong. Then jack Smurpha spews over the leftist media to the whole world that AMERICAN TROOPS are terrorizing innocent Iraqi women and children in the middle of the night, just for fun. Then he brays that AMERICAN TROOPS are slaughtering innocent Iraqi women and children in cold blood. He bases these conclusions on accusations by people with direct ties to terrorists, yet presents them as facts validated by people of impeccable reputations. The young Moslem, naturally, is enraged and instantly develops permanent hatred for AMERICA, and swears to give his life to get revenge, never mind the eternal orgies promised by lying terrorist masterminds who are allowed to preach in any mosque in the world including in AMERICA. The slaughters instigated by smurpha, and his leftist cohorts trying to take control of AMERICA, no matter what the cost, have to have directly led to, and will inevitably lead to, more deaths than if they had kept their big, ugly, stinking feet in their spacious mouths. They would rather rule over a graveyard, than watch someone else run the AMERICAN GOVERNMENT. THEY MUST HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO MORALS OR ,LESS LIKELY, NO BRAINS!!!!!! I BET THE NEXT TERRORIST ATTACK ON AMERICA, LIKELY BY A MOSLEM THEY RECRUITED, WILL BE BLAMED, BY THEM, ON THE ATTEMPT BY TRUE AMERICANS TO DEFEAT THE MENTALITY THAT THE american LEFT IS GENERATING (insanely radical militant islamist) IN THEIR ATTEMPT TO TAKE CONTROL OF AMERICA!
Furthermore, the leftist, so called liberal, so called democrats (they are NOT IN FAVOR of anything like a DEMOCRACY), HAVE FOUGHT AGAINST EVERY STEP AMERICA HAS TAKEN TO STOP TERRORISTS FROM KILLING EVERY MAN, WOMAN, AND CHILD IN AMERICA WHO DON'T BELIEVE EXACTLY THE SAME AS THEY DO (including the democrats and other leftists). They also have done most of the work to keep our borders wide open, so the terrorists can come and go at will. The Republicans are afraid the terrorist supporting leftists will gain control of AMERICA easier if they oppose illegal immigration too much. That is due to the apparent stupidity of (or the evil spell the Demo's cast upon) the AVERAGE AMERICAN. IT IS UP TO US TO SNAP THESE APPARANT IDIOTS OUT OF THEIR IGNORANCE BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE. I AM NOT SURE AMERICA WILL SURVIVE (AT LEAST NOT WITHOUT MUCH DAMAGE FROM THE WMD'S THAT WERE IN IRAQ UNTIL THE LEFTIST MEDIA ANNOUNCED THAT WE KNEW WHERE THE WMD'S WERE AND WE WERE COMING TO GET THEM). IT SUCKS THAT WE KNOW THEY ARE COMING, BUT THE LEFTISTS ARE TRYING TO HELP THEM SUCCEED BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THAT, IF SUCCESSFUL, THE RESULTING CHAOS WILL ALLOW THE TERRORIST SUPPORTING, SO CALLED LIBERAL, SOCALLED DEMOCRATIC, LEFTISTS TO TAKE CONTROL OF THE COUNTRY OUR CHILDREN ARE GOING TO LIVE OR DIE IN.
Anyone,except george bush,that says g b is a liar because no wmd's,to speak of,have been found in iraq,is a liar.How do they know what g b knew?All,not finding many wmd's means,is that we haven't found many wmd's yet.I would imagine that,when the media announced that we knew where Iraq's wmd's were,they may have tried to hide them somewhere.Is it so hard to believe that Syria or Iran would not turn down some free wmd's, just because they weren't buddies with sodom poontaine? Did people expect that we would find a super wmd's mart,with a large flashing neon sign that said, "WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION-ALL TYPES-EASY CREDIT TERMS FOR TERRORIST MASTERMINDS-SUICIDE BOMBERS,CASH AND CARRY-WILL DELIVER TO ISRAEL VIA SCUD". It is possible to know if there WERE wmd's, but no one but sodom himself would know if there WERE NOT any,and I don't think he said one way or the other.I believe that he was making bio weapons due to the fact that a bioreactor will fit in the back of a truck,and every time the weapons inspectors tried to inspect a pharmaceutical(sp?) plant, the inspectors were harrassed at the front gate,while trucks pulled out of the back gates-if the inspectors were allowed to enter at all.A bio wmd only has to be as big as a petry dish(about 4 inches in diameter)taped to a pipe bomb.A 5 gallon bucket of biotoxin could wipe out the whole world.That might be a threat to AMERICA.I wonder if our border guards,that we have now, could keep a few mason jars of smallpox or ebola or ecoli(SPINACH SEASONING) from crossing in from Mexico.I doubt many Mexicans would lift a finger to stop it. The war in Iraq is much like Vietnam. Iran,like Russia and/or China in Vietnam,is the real enemy in Iraq, I think. They are using the two factions,Muslims who are easily misled enough to kill each other(or anyone else who happens to get in range). When the violence starts to die down, Iran sends in a squad of their guys(where ever they have to send them from),and they kill a bunch of people(or blow up a Moslem shrine) and act like they were from the enemy of the people they kill, while publicly blaming it on one insurgent group or the other. This could be Shiite killing Sunni, vice versa, or anyone killing Americans,or kidnapping anyone. It does not take much to get those idiots to start back up killing each other. You can see that their version of religion is BS, because they claim,if they die in combat,they go to heaven and get to have sex with a bunch of... err virgins (their's is supposed to be the God of Abraham- yea, right), yet they get all upset when one of their terrorists get killed. Can they not see a glaring hole in their witness? Are they that stupid( I don't think so. I believe they are either brainwashed or twisted with hate and resentment)? If they are so happy to be a martyr,why don't we give them a hand? I bet there would not be so many jihadists if we told them those stealths,that just left out of Missouri,were loaded with nukes,so get their supply of heavenly condoms ready. Anyway, Iraq is the same as when the commies were using those poor stupid Vietnamese to bleed America until we cut and ran. Every time we had them on the ropes, they would start wanting peace talks. Then the libs would make us stop destroying them, and they would use the break in action to rebuild their forces,then start the war back up. The sad part is we fell for it every time- same as in Korea. The same thing is going to happen in Iraq,unless we change the stupid rules of engagement. We have to deal with Iran, agressively. If we had dealt with China,in Korea,we would not have to worry about China launching those nukes we are buying for them.But now if it weren't for the missle defense, ther is nothing to prevent China from nuking half of America,as soon as we get tired of giving thewm all our money. They don't give a crap how many of their people would get killed.And,we would have won the war in Vietnam in the 60's.We may have learned what we should do, after Vietnam, but we aren't doing it.Oh,yea,the liberals,by blaming their problems on others,never learn a flippin' thing except how to play dirty tricks on their rivals,because nothing is their fault. Or,someone else,in their opinion,did something worse,once upon a time,so they don't have to do anything any better than they ever did.I wonder if they keep doing things the same,if they will get the same result( "At leastI tried, I would have got him that one time,if I had just told Monica to stop long enough for me to answer the phone")


Sorry Ann, Bush screwed up both wars
You are wrong about liberals once again. This liberal says the Bush administration is about to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in Afghanistan, too. In case you haven't read the news lately, the Taliban is back.

The Taliban is alive and well there, even as Bush is pulling our troops out and handing the mess over to the Canadians and other allies. They just hunkered down for a couple of years in Pakistan waited for Bush and Karzai to screw things up royally and trotted right back over the same mountains we let them use to escape in the first place.

The allied generals left holding the bag are now saying we have a limited amount of time help the Karzai government get established before the Taliban begins over running large areas of the country again.

The predictions of some of the liberals you quote don't look so much idiotic as prophetic.

Where are OUR troops going? Into Iraq I would bet. Making your hated Joe Biden into another prophet, not an idiot. For years, he has been saying we need more troops in Iraq if we want to win there.

Perhaps you are just annoyed because Rick's excellent book "Fiasco" has been on the best seller list longer than your last screed.


Glassman, can I have some of whatever
it is your smoking? Or are you just off your meds?

Tried to read your demo article, but gave up after the first couple of sentences. How do you do it? Do you just press random keys on the keyboard.

Anyway, just thought I'd let you know that there is a special election day for conservatives to vote and make themselves heard. Your day to vote is WEDNESDAY NOVEMBER 8th.

All liberal democrats and sane conservatives who are voting for democrat candidates must continue to vote on November 7th.

Maczed, I admit it, I am confused
by your long post. Can you answer these questions in a short, crisp post?

What do YOU think the objectives of our wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are?

Do you think the Bush administration is actually pursuing those objectives?

Do you think the Bush administration is actually achieving those objectives?

Dems' favorite Halloween costume:
On Thursday, October, 26, 2006 1:29 AM
Kimberly writes:
...

Aside from really really really disliking the idiotic notions of Coulter, I find her attempt at humor sickening, her personal attacks unbecoming and striking a new low, and her writings considerably lacking in truth or substance. Desperate rants from an increasingly desperate crone.


And yet, for no adequately explained reason, lil' Kim reads and comments.

It Started With Bombs
Conservatives, especially the religious bunch, believe in war. The first act of Bush in Iraq was to bomb, bomb, and then bomb again. Women and children were killed. Why do loving christian people want to kill everybody? They are hippocrates, they talk love in the pulpitt but really they are blood thirsty individuals. Wars never really solved most conflicts in the world.

Bush talks of Iraq as the central war on terrorists, yet, the problem in Iraq is not all terrorists. It is a civil war between factions.

ann coulter???
As a foreign graduate student in the US my expectations of American values and cultural environment were high. Nothing embodies civil liberties and freedom of speech in a more cohesive and articulate way than the US...at least it seemed so. I intentionally subscribed to this website just to see for myself how far things have gone. Too far I am afraid. I am bitterly disappointed- if somebody throwing absurd accusations and illogical arguments can be considered a columnist...than I guess Ann Coulter is one. The ridiculousness of this pundit makes me wonder twice about the "American values" she so much praises. What is the picture she is trying to portray- a single ruling party, invasion of civil liberties and extreme views. For those who are still confused, this is the sheer view of totalitarianism. The emptiness of her articles should draw the attention of any common-sensed individual...pure bitterness

elena
You obviously don't get it'Not understanding our culture,or the degradation there of.
Understand our history'Read and understand our constitution,and read the (federalists papers),you can google them,they are downloadable in
pdf format.
This will give you an understanding of why we view the left with CONTEMPT!
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