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Tuesday, February 10, 2009
Amanda Carpenter :: Townhall.com Columnist
Pence's Dueling Indiana Town Hall
by Amanda Carpenter
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The same day President Obama appeared in Elkhart, Indiana to ramp up public support for his stimulus bill, nearly 300 people showed up at Indiana Rep. Mike Pence’s (R.) town hall to vent their opposition to the legislation.

Pence said normally 30-40 people come to town hall meetings in his district. He was shocked at the hundreds of constituents who came to his event in the middle of the day Monday afternoon.

“They were strongly opposed to the so-called stimulus bill,” Pence told reporters Tuesday morning. “There was a strong consensus we should take the time to get this right,” he said. He mentioned his pitch for “immediate and significant marginal tax relief.”

According to a report of the meeting written by The Republic, a Columbus publication, Pence even received a standing ovation by critiquing the bill. At one point, a teenage girl asked Pence what the stimulus package would do to help her father whose hours have been cut from 40 hours to 24 a week.

“Because I can’t answer that question is why I can’t support the bill,” Pence told her. He was applauded for his direct answer.

Meanwhile, Obama trumped the importance of passing a stimulus bill in Elkhart, the RV capital of the world. Elkhart has been plagued by high unemployment, which Obama blamed on lack of consumer credit in the market. There he promised his plan would “create or save” 4 million jobs.

Obama held a prime-time press conference on Monday evening where he chastised Republicans for unwillingness to support the bill. He mentioned the “unprecedented” overtures he made to the GOP and accused some of possessing “ideological blockage.”

“Bipartisanship means more than just stopping by,” Pence said.

The Senate is expected to vote on passage of the bill this week. Then House and Senate negotiators will work out the differences between the bills before sending the bill back to both chambers for a final vote.

Pence was optimistic, at least in his remarks, some kind of package could be produced he would be able to support. “I know of no Republican in the Congress of the United States who wants to do nothing,” he said. Still, Pence said Republicans “genuinely believe in our heart of hearts this bill will not work. “

He expressed hope the public would continue pressuring Congress to pass a better bill.

“When the American people choose to be engaged anything can happen,” Pence added

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Amanda Carpenter is the author of “The Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy's Dossier on Hillary Clinton,” published in October 2006.
 
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I have no doubt in my mind
that this story will be emblazoned across all TV screens as the lead story on the MSM national news services.

Actually, I doubt it will even make page 40 in the news paper. Common people not kissing the Obama's feet in adoration? It's not news then.

This and That
The GOP should consider the case of that airline pilot that flew his craft into the Hudson River. It has meaning to anyone in government that wants to show courage.

When the pilot realized his engines were out, he didn't meekly climb out of the cockpit, find an empty seat in the passanger compartment, buckle his belt and submit his fate to the law of gravity.

No, he boldly and calmly took charge, refused to be intimidated by danger, and showed courage. This is why he's been all over TV and has the keys to the city. Americans are desparate for leadership. The country is falling and there seems to be infants and toddlers at the helm.

And the GOP, for the most part, cowers under their desks and lets our boy blunder call them out, mock them, and define them. Disgraceful.

America is a land of slaves, cripples and children all wanting to see signs of parental authority. Instead, we're seeing only the biggest kid in the daycare center taking over and bullying us.

Isn't there one GOP guy who can simply grab the microphone and say,"No, I'm not voting for this ruination of our country. No, you can't have everything you want. No, I don't care what your secular potentate says. I'm not doing it. It's wrong"?

I have
no doubt also. It tells you all you want to know about the arrogance of the ruling party, they have told the American people in no uncertain terms that THEY are in charge, THEY
WON and we better sit down and shut up and let our betters, the thieves, tax cheats, porn lawyers, baby killers, euthansia pushers, crooks, criminals, liars and nincompoops a la
Nazi Porklosi run the show. They don't need no stinkin' Constitution with its flawed negative rights.

Obama says the darnedest things
Why does the press not pin Obama down on this "create or save" nonsense?
Why does the press not ask Obama if he agrees with Harry Reid that "the War is lost?" Why does the press not ask Obama why he cries crocodile tears over Elkhart not selling RV's, or Detroit not selling cars, when his administration picks and political alliances are anti-auto industry?

Tea Party
The press and the MSM are allowed to ask Obamanation ONLY pre-submitted, selected questions. This gives his speech writers time to prepare his answers.

Attempts to ask them anyway result in the questioner being thrown under the bus [without his answer].

I suspect you knew this and your post was rhetorical...

Oops, wrong addressee
My last should have been addressed to bob.

Sorry.

JDs handsome son
Great post, especially calling Obama "the biggest kid in the daycare center." I have been alive long enough, having been a young mother when Carter was president, to know that Obama is the worst president this country has ever had in the history of our nation. He is either incredibly stupid or knows exactly what he is doing to harm our once great country. Either way is frightening.

Go Rep Mike Pence....

The Dem Big Gov Special Interests Package was Not crafted as a bi-partisan Bill.. Republicans would be crazy to give this Socialist Spending Monster the benefit of their cover.. despite BO's devious weedling.

Meanwhile, the tone-deaf Dem totalitarians in the congress continue to ignore the peoples' avalanche of calls and emails Against their Boondoggle Bill. Not only does common sense reject it, there are a number of major Economists who are against the Bill, who sent Congress their signed petition.
What dollars the Obama-Pelosi-Reid Troika can't rob from the decreasing number of productive Tax Payers, they will have to print profusely, which will further devalue our money.. Of course, this could all be by design, but that's another topic.

I appreciate Rep Mike Pence, and hope that he and the other good Republicans will do more of taking issues directly to the people.. then continue to stand their ground..

Mr. Nice Guys
I have seen Mike Pence and other Republican congresspersons on panels with Democrats in the last few weeks.

They sit quietly and let the hypocrites say over and over it is the Bush Administation who caused all this turmoil.

Barney Frank is the last one to repeat the lie and no Republican on the panel contradicted him. The arrogant, paunchy buffoon takes no responsibility for any wrongdoing.

The news media is quick enough to absolve Democrats of any blame. Republicans should not let them get by with it.

there should be a criminal investigation
launched into mr. frankie's role into this massive economic mess.

don't i keep hearing acountability coming out of barry's mouth all the time?

roy

Like Tuna?
Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi's home district includes San Francisco.

Star-Kist Tuna's headquarters are in San Francisco, Pelosi's home district.

Star-Kist is owned by Del Monte Foods and is a major contributor to Pelosi.

Star-Kist is the major employer in American Samoa employing 75% of the Samoan work force.

Paul Pelosi, Nancy’s husband, owns $17 million dollars of Star-Kist stock.

In January, 2007 when the minimum wage was increased from $5.15 to $7.25, Pelosi had American Samoa exempted from the increase so Del Monte would not have to pay the higher wage. This would make Del Monte products less expensive than their competition's.

Last week when the huge bailout bill was passed, Pelosi added an earmark to the final bill adding $33 million dollars for an 'economic development credit in American Samoa '.

Pelosi has called the Bush administration "CORRUPT" ? ?


How do you spell "HYPOCRISY?”

I say, “Let’s get the impeachment paperwork started!”

socialism at it's best
Pelosi ,Reid,Franks,Schumer,Murtha and our very own 3 republicans who caved in to pressure from Rahm Emanuels' visit to them (the dead fish guy) Collins R-ME,Snowe R-ME Specter R-PA ALL NEED TO BE IMPEACHED ,what happened to the BLUE DOGS ?...Let's clean the whole lot of them up ....A REVOLUTION is coming because the American people have had enough of their Congressmen & Senators not representing us...remember WE THE PEOPLE ,the CONSTITUTION Washington !! Those 3 senators "sold our souls" and I hope they rot in hell for their actions despite being told of the universal health care was snuck in to be managed by none other than Uncle Sam who is inept at running social security and medicare.One item at a time could have been done at a time like reducing payroll taxes (immediate relief to taxpayers)ect ..and the Gov't knowing more about you & I than the patriot act could ever do.Where's the elites & follywood throwing temper tantrums on that ....INSTEAD we got BOs social agenda which includes none other than ACORN ....God HELP us ALL for those lower gene pool and entitlement folks who have our founding fathers turning over in their graves.

socialism at its best
WE THE PEOPLE need to take back our country from these radicals in Washington and impeach those who voted for this "abortion" of pork bill too. And Collins R-Me Snowe R-Me Specter R-Pa need to change their party to socialist/communist and I hope thay ROT in HELL for what they just voted for for generations to come!! Hope.... my backside !!!....the lower end of the gene pool and entitlement society put him ,the messiah in power !
And where are those left wingers from follywood who now will have their rights and privacy invaded with universal health care snuck into this bill ??? and their doctors being told how to treat them ,cutting care to elderly ? where's the outrage !!!! Our founding fathers should be turning over in their graves and are!! God HELP those of us who know what is going on here to give us the strength to OVERCOME this madness !

Rruth Az
Right on girl!

Total Recall
Someone start a petition and I'm ready
to sign.

jds handsom son
you force me to paraphrase dick winters, "hes the CAPTAIN, for petes sake." he's 'sposed to take charge. please quit calling it courage, when it was the simplest of pragmatism. lets see now..........we can crash into tall buildings, or ditch in that nice cold water with all those boats nearby. hmmmmmmmmmm. decisions, decisions. sorry. that aint heroism, and it aint courage. its doing his job, skill, and easy choices. too bad noone in government is even in the same universe as that captain. when i fly, i am always looking for an option to use if power loss ocurrs. if i was flying out of new york, i would have looked at all those tall buildings every time, and would have decided in the first instance that any water is better than those buildings. i dam well know that the captain had decided that too, thousands of landings before, and i dont doubt that every pilot who is not a democrat or a muslim has made the same decision. hes an experienced and skillful pilot, but the first life he saved was his own.

tabitha
i did listen to the msm, before it was 100% controlled by the enemies of america. i saw them intentionally and maliciously lose the vietnam war. i saw them try to lose the iraq war. i no longer ever look at the msm, because i know it is all lies. besides, even if i wanted to know what the left is saying, i dont have to waste time on the msm, all i got to do is go to townhall and see that the trolls are saying. nothing but the democratic party line of lies. thanks.

tabicat
Spoken like a true commieqr, darling.
1700 cits, or 1700 Messiah Cultists? Or were they bussed in Union Thugs?

I'd call an order of magnitude increase in Town Hall participation statistically significant.

What news would you like me to comment on? Joy that the Anti-Sandnazis are coming up big in Israel? Joy that the Cheaters in Baseball are being busted even if we do nothing about commieqr cheating in elections? Joy that more and more Americans are figuring out what a commieqr boondoggle SCAM this "stimulus" (They ought to call it the Monica Lewinski Bill) is?

Joy at how dirty the latest Smokin BO nom is?
Joy at how dirty "the most ethical congress in history" is? Joy at how "we are the change we have been waiting for" meant exactly what BO KOOLS SAID! Retreading every inside the Beltlooper Political Ruling Class HACK of every failed Administration since FORD! That's CHANGE for ya, Tab!

I curious as to why you think you have any right to have a dang thing to say about how much money SOMEBODY ELSE has?

You want to help the poor? Give em half of YOUR stuff, Tabicat. All else is moral cowadice and ethical hypocrisy.

Socialism IS THEFT. Socialism IS Failure.

The Big Mick

Ruth, Stan et all
And the basic mistake continues.

You can't out argue them, guys. They believe LIES, they are BIGOTS, you CAN'T CONVINCE them. You are no longer able to out vote them. So much for impeachment and recall.

You are going to have to kill them.

It continues to amaze me how in denial people are about this. Why in the world do you think it is going to NOT take Revolution v3.0 and real blood in the end?

When you find the 21st Adams boys, Tom Paine, Patrick Henry, etc get back to me. THAT I'll join.

The Big Mick

roy
there should be a criminal investigation
launched into mr. frankie's role into this massive economic mess.

don't i keep hearing acountability coming out of barry's mouth all the time?

you are right, roy, and same goes for pelosi's criminal activities, and most or the ruling class. but there wont be. whats the point in being in the nobility if you have to obey the law? leona helmsley: "taxes are for the little people." curmudgeon: "laws are for us serfs." but think about it. us arkies have nothing to complain about. after all, we constantly elected and reelected a rapist for governor, then sent him and his shrill unpleasant chicago* wife to washington. *chicago is short for opportunistic, criminal, unethical, greedy carpetbagger.

the big mick
as usual, tells it like it is.

This is the battle cry of our time
I can no longer sit back and say there is nothing that I can do. The dems are ruining this country and for that they should be held accountable. it is purely treasonous that the Senate passed this bill and every single Senator that voted yes for this should be impeached, thrown out and never be able to hold public office again. THEY ARE A DISGRACE. We need common American citizens with common sense to raise up and do the right thing. Take control of our country. Do not wait until 2010.... DO IT NOW!

katepatate
i bleeve you might be a curmudgeon too.

The Big Mick
Time for another Boston Tea Party,Mick. This time we won't use tea......we'll throw liberals overboard!

not much
of this bill will help jobs. Instead it will increase government and inflation for years to come. Seriously, I cannot believe the America of today. Just got out of college last May and this is what I have worked so hard for? A giant Porkulus package? Wow, I'm sure our future Americans will love paying this off, if it does pass.

Thie problem
The problem was generated entirely on Capitol Hill and in the White House. It will not be solved by more interference and tinkering by politicians who don't understand the problem, much less know the solutions.

The economy will be solved on Main Street by free Americans. We don't need no stinkin' porkulus package. LEt us keep our own money and we'll solve our own problems.

Congress thinks the problem is the credit markets...the banks have money, but they won't lend it because the people have bad credit. So their solution is to take more money from the people and give it to the banks. Incredible....

Forget the petition...
SEZ STAN:
"Someone start a petition and I'm ready to sign."

SEZ ME:
Forget the petition. You bring the torches and I'll being the pitchforks.

We're here
SEZ BIG MICK:
"When you find the 21st Adams boys, Tom Paine, Patrick Henry, etc get back to me. THAT I'll join."

SEZ ME:
Don't look for them in DC or other corridors of power. They aren't there. But we ARE out here, and when the time comes, we'll be ready to do what is necessary.

This smells like victory!
To hear all you hammerheads ranting like lunatics is delicious.
Please sign your petitions, get your impeachments going.

You are all dinosaurs. A giant meteor has hit you planet. Your extinct and don't even know it.

This is why I knocked on doors for President Obama. I can hear your heads exploding through cyberspace.

tabitha
you are an unpleasant reminder that the voters of 1919 and 1920 were just as incompetent as the voters of 2008. cant you just take your blather to the daily kos where they approve of your stupidity, and leave us alone in townhall? your mention of your huspand, poor sucker, forces me to quote groucho, "your husband should be ashamed"

creekboy
you are wrong. the destruction of america can only smell like victory to liberal traitors. to thinking americans, it smells like a huge illegal payoff. what corrupt payoff did the messiah promise you, creek? 40 pieces of silver? what is the going rate for betraying your country?

Hey, creekairhead
Just in case you haven't noticed, your in the wrong state. We don't listen to airhead, dimwitted lib dims. We believe in getting the guvmint out of our lives. They've screwed up so much of our country and now they're dead set on bankruptcy by electing dim morons. This will be the shortest cycle of all time for dim leadership (now that's an oxymoron).

Blasphemy
Using the name of god in a disrespectful manor.
Bringing god down to your level. Repent.

I have only one Messiah.

As for the destruction of America, you have to get up pretty early in the morning to be more destructive than George W Bush. How many times did you vote for that imbecile?

I'm in the state I was born in.
How many times did you vote for George W Bush?

Four times? Twice for governor, twice for president?

Dimwit? there should be a picture of Bush in the dictionary under dimwit. Right beside you.

Only idiots would endorse the empty one
only in this great country would a fool who makes RVs support the "empty one " who wants to get rid of gasoline and diesel which is what RV's run on as well as killing the middle class that would want to buy a RV. what were these freaking idiots thinking on this one ?
Hey this is the guy who wants tin cans for cars that run on smurf dust and wind and wait , wait we make huge floating homes that run on diesel which get 6 gallons a mile hmmmmmmm so you support someone who would ruin your entire section of the economy and career??????????? Only democrats could be that dumb ! well that and country club RINOS but there basically the same person just one drives a truck and the other drives a Volvo with the KQED bumper sticker.

Nice thinking that one out elkhart IN.

Peter O
North Idaho

stimulus
The real answer to our fiscal collapse is oourselves for voting for those in Washington and not holding them responsible. I wish there was a law firm that would have the guts to go across this great country and get the people behind them and recall every one of them.

This is a two party recall.

Changes need to be made on Wall street and corporate America regarding stockholder and tax payer monies. No CEO is worth the million that are being paid to these execs. Thkis money should be going to the stockholders themselves and to the workers of the various companies.

Malcom Forbes said in the mid eighties that a family of 4 should not have to pay taxes. It is true.

Notice that our Washinigton crew did not forgo thier "automatic" increase in their salaries.

In Florida our Lt Govenor flies back and forth to work nearly every day so he can work at hoome. What a croc and waste of this state's tax money.

We need to dig into the perks that our elected officials also hide from us. Let's see how much of their election contributions they get to keep after they leave office. Let's start a revolution in this country the likes of the Bostoon Tea party and no one send in their taxes. They can't put us all in jail.

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid should be horse whipped and hung as traitors.

We need to act and act NOW

Pelosi's "Ask any Tuna"
Ask any tuna you happen to see..what's policy for profit...Nancy of the sea.

Sure that's what we need more RV's
Of course, with the president's new policies there won't be any fuel to put in your RV.

But let's not think beyond the first step and the first step clearly is pandering to the residents of a town whose industry happens to be making RVs.


Creekboy
I'll bet you did more than knock on doors for Ovomit. Are you applying for Monica Lewinky's position?

how does one
hold any elected official accountable? Writing letters, voting out the individual, or maybe moving to a state that has reps more in line with one's own values? I've lived in Michigan my whole life, and have been saddled with that idiot family of Levins as my elected reps, for the whole of my voting career!!!!!!! Every election I fight tooth and nail to get these idiots out of office, but have yet to succeed. Write letters? I've written so many letters and emails my fingers have calluses, and all I get are canned responses that do not even address anything I've written! So, I've come to the conclusion the only option left is to move to Texas, or Alaska where those elected officials seem to have a bit more in common with my own values. EXCEPT that I love my state, and my family is here and I do not EVER give up! Michigan is a dying state with a dying economy and that blame lies SQUARELY with the dems and the UAW who've destroyed it! I suspect the only REAL solution to the total disconnect of the fat-cat, do-as-I-say-and-not-as-I-do, tax-cheating CRIMINALS in D.C. is the solution proposed by the Big Mick. Count me in, as I'm locked and loaded and ready for bear!

Oh, the irony of it all
Another reporter fails to see the irony of the Great Messiah lecturing his victims on why he will save their jobs while he spews hatred for RVs world wide. I can understand his drooling followers not getting the irony, but come on reporters, someone point it out that they lost their jobs because of the hatred openly spewed by clowns like Obama every day. The people were there to see the great free-lunch provider. Where do I sign up for my free mortgage, car, health care and retirement package? I'm really tired of paying for those things myself (and for every welfare liberal candidate out there too). When Geithner is finished with my 401K, there won't be anything to cash in. I think I'll turn liberal and stop paying my taxes.

Tabitha
Wow - you are grasping for straws.

You are going to compare the total turnout for a one-time visit of the President to the total turnout for a regular townhall meeting with a local politician? Really?

"Saving jobs"
The reason Obama talks about "making OR SAVING" 4 million jobs is that, however bad it gets, he can always claim that there would be 4 million more unemployed if it weren't for his magnificent leadership. He will claim the credit, no matter what happens. The man is cynicism and hypocrisy incarnate.

creekboy @12:12 AM
I am taking a break from my studies to send this. As a rule I take short breaks from my homework to read TH columns and comments. Imagine my surprise and delight to find an admitted sadist. It is great to locate a sadist who is not ashamed of his beliefs. Given that you find the posters’ “ranting like lunatics…” to be “delicious” I believe that my assessment that you are a sadist to be accurate.

I apologize to the other TH readers for going off subject. Please understand that for me this is really interesting. This semester I am studying abnormal psychology in one of my classes. I have long found sadists to be fascinating. A lot of the liberals who come here act like sadists but are unwilling to admit to being one. You are an excellent find; my professor may give me extra credit for doing a paper on you. Would you be willing to answer a few questions?

• How long have you enjoyed the unhappiness and suffering of others?

• When did you first realize that you find pleasure in watching people suffer?

• When you were a young boy did you take pleasure in pulling the wings off of flies?

• Did you ever pour gas of a cat and set fire to it and delight in the suffering of the animal?

• Do you harbor any feelings of enjoyment when you see someone receiving a ticket from a cop?

• Do you have any predilections towards masochism?

Please post your responses here and I will make my notes from your post. Do please come back to TH later. I think that I will have more questions after I do some research and speak to my professor. Thank you so much for your time.
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