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Tuesday, August 12, 2008
Amanda Carpenter :: Townhall.com Columnist
Obama Lied About Abortion Record
by Amanda Carpenter
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Newly discovered documents from the Illinois state archives prove Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama has lied about his opposition to legislation requiring health officials to provide care to babies who survived abortion as an Illinois state senator.

Obama has claimed again and again he would have supported his state’s version of the Born Alive Infant Protection Act if it included language to protect abortion rights guaranteed by Roe v. Wade and viciously attacked conservative opponents who suggested otherwise. Now there’s documentation showing Obama did vote against a version of the Born Alive Infant Protection Act that contained language to protect abortion rights identical to the bill that passed 98-0 in the U.S. Senate.

“We have a smoking gun committee report,” the National Right to Life Committee’s Legislative Counsel Susan Muskett said. NRLC posted the unearthed documents from the Illinois senate archives Monday.

There’s been much confusion about Obama’s work on this bill, largely due to the Illinois Senate’s method of marking the bill as “held” in the Health and Human Services Committee, when in fact archived reports show it was killed by a 6-4 party line vote. As Chairman of that committee Obama voted in the majority. NCLR has the committee action report of that vote.

The 6-4 vote tally is included in the right hand column of the table. Just before the committee roll call vote was held to kill the bill, however, senators voted to amend the state’s version Born Alive Infant Protection Act to include a “neutrality clause.” That clause was copied from the federal version of the law and was the very language Obama has claimed would have allowed him to support the bill. The amendment passed the committee 10-0 and that vote is recorded in column on the left side of the table.

A copy of that clause is available here.

In essence, Obama voted to successfully amend the bill in a way Obama has said would have enabled him to support it, before he voted against it.

Conservative journalist David Freddoso said these documents are “absolute proof” Obama has distorted his position on the Born Alive Infant Protection Act. In his new book, “The Case Against Barack Obama” Freddoso painstakingly documented Obama’s votes and committee work against the bill.

“He said he would have voted for that bill if it had been like the federal bill when in fact he voted against it when it was like the federal bill,” Freddoso said. “So he’s been lying about it the whole time.”

Muskett agreed. “He needs to come clean and admit he voted to deny protection to born alive babies who survived an abortion,” she told Townhall in a phone interview.

Not only has Obama distorted his record, but his campaign has viciously attacked critics who accurately described his record.

On June 30, 2008 his campaign accused talk radio host Bill Bennett of making “outright false statements” and smearing Obama on CNN because Bennett said Obama supported a bill that even NARAL Pro-Choice America would not oppose. A “Fact Check” document was published on Obama’s presidential website “on CNN and Bennet’s [sic] Inaccurate Claim That IL ‘Born Alive’ Legislation Obama Opposed Was the Same as Federal Legislation He Supported.”

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BO lies about EVERYTHING
WHO IS SURPRISED:

CHANGE IS::: Obama distorts, fabricates, twists, changes the facts ::: now almost hourly

What kind of person...
has this kind of mindset? Abortion is an abomination - to kill an infant who defies death - what kind of monster are you?

This will make your head explode
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIdbYjmbFzo&feature=user

konniebay
that video was incredible. i kept expecting obama to come in at the end with a machete and hack up that pour little baby. and then eat it.

i noticed the lady in the video said that obama voted against having identical language to the federal legislation included in the bill, while the above article suggests that he voted for identical language. but who has time for semantic games when barack obama is out there hacking up all of those sweet little infants? in fact, i'm probably killing babies just by writing this. i'll stop.

Least of his lies
Is His Legal Name Obama or Soetoro?

Barack Obama is running for President as… well, Barack Hussein Obama. That’s his legal name, right?

Or is it.

There is now a body of evidence indicating that his actual valid Birth Certificate on file in Hawaii says Barry Soetoro. That was the Indonesian identity that Obama acquired when Lolo Soetoro adopted him. His original Birth Certificate, presumably in the name Barack Hussein Obama, was sealed.
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/08/12/is-his-legal-na me-obama-or-soetoro-act-now/



note on the 2nd box they require the applicant to list "Former Names" Obama? Barry Soetoro put NONE.


Attorney Registration and Disciplinary Record
Illinois Supreme Court
http://www.politifact.com/media/files/obamaattyreg.pdf

This is a documented fraud
And the biggest lie of all is his birth certificate is a fraud as well

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/08/05/1521/

Chicagoland Nurse Jill Stanek on Obama

Probably the first nurse to go toe-to-toe with Obama has been Chicagoland nurse Jill Stanek, who witnessed infanticide at the hospital where she was employed. Here's her take on Obama's subterfuge which Amanda Carpenter has summarized:

http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/2008/08/breaking_news_n_ 1.html#more


Several excellent short articles from Jill Stanek:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=71571

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51 121

Obama lied...
...babies died.

Wonder if the DNC would like that on a banner in Denver?

EVIL LIES
Not all lies are evil--but all EVIL lies.
The "AXIS of EVIL" can be as large as three countries or as small as three people. b.o. obama, m.obama and j.wright come to mind. w.ayres, t.rezco and l.farrakhan also come to mind.
Just think, we could have our very own "AXIS of EVIL" running our government.

It's HAMMER TIME!
For McCain - time to take off the kid gloves! People need to use their brains and see that Obama is a socialist/marxist liberal whose stand on the rights of the unborn is in line with "revolution".

Anything/anyone that stands in the way of revolution is fair game for Obama. Especially the unborn - they are the "easiest" ones to "knock off."

Lying Liberals & Abortion
So Barack Hussein lied about his stance on abortion. That was not his first lie and it won't be his last. Lying is par for the course for liberals.

I have seen very few Democrats who have run for office lay out in the open what the Democrat Party Platform entails.

They would turn off many who blindly support Democrats because they are Democrats,but have no idea what the party espouses.

They fool the voters by selective rhetoric,usually not as far left as the party. As soon as they are elected,they follow the leftist party line. Bait and switch. Democrats are hypocrits, beyond contempt.

Why should this suprise us?
It's easier to count what he HASN'T lied about..
I'm actually enjoying watching him self-destruct..it's better than paying for anything hollyweird puts out

Liberals cry for...
the polar bears being killed by imaginary Climate Change while advocating the murder of human infants, disgusting!


edna @ 08:56--ON THE NAIL!!!
(eom)

I'm SHOCKED! SHOCKED I tell you!
Oh, wait, Obama is a member of WHICH party again?

Never mind.

Obama Lies like a rug
Im not surprised,
Obama has no business running for President,
I cant beleive the Democratic party and the MSM are backing a man with no experience whats so ever to be President,
McCain/Romney the winning ticket.
Salvatore

more accurate
A more accurate description of what Obama did if Carpenter's report is correct is to kill a symbolic bill that had no legal effect.

Anti-abortion advocate Stanek has claimed that she witnessed babies being left to die. If true that would have been illegal in Illinois at the time. But she had no evidence that that is true, and the justice system in Illinois, detail oriented as it is, requires evidence for these things.

There was nothing in the law above that would have removed the demand for evidence to get convictions.

Obama's claim about the bill as amended seems to be that it was harmless yet pointless. And such bills deserve to be killed in committee.

Race
Obama and his associates are the people who keep bringing up the race issues,because Obama wants to take away from the real issue of INEXPERIENCE,thats why he will lose in november, not because of RACE,he doesnt want to drill. wants to raise taxes on the American people and small business, wont admit to the surge in Iraq is working,
the whole country knows about it but Obama,
Obama said we cant drill our way out of this problem, WRONG, the experts say 1-3 years not 10-20, like Obama says he is not being honest with the American people once again,
thats why we need McCain in the white house a man with experience on National Security, Foreign policy, the war on terror, border security, the economy, so many to list, and with Romney on the ticket, it will be a winning ticket,
McCain/Romney in novrmber.
Salvatore.

What?
The inhumanity of the whole thing is completely shocking! But what is equally shocking is everyones suprise at Obama's position. Did anybody really expect anything different from this guy?
Just one more example of the type of miserable human being he is, and just a sample of what we will get if he becomes President!

Lon: Really??? How about this???


"Index of Documents regarding Obama Cover-up on
Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Bill"

http://www.nrlc.org/ObamaBAIPA/index.html


Check this out and THEN get back to us!!!!!





The Obamas on Partial Birth Abortion 1
From: email-list@obamaforillinois.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 7:41 AM
Subject: A Message from Michelle Obama

February 17, 2004

Dear Friends:

We have all been concerned lately with the rise of conservatism in this country, especially as it relates to women. You've read the alarming news about the Justice Department's request for hospitals to turn over the private medical records of dozens of patients. This cynical ploy is designed to intimidate a group of physicians and force them to drop their lawsuit seeking to have the so-called partial birth abortion ban ruled unconstitutional.

The fact remains, with no provision to protect the health of the mother, this ban on a legitimate medical procedure is clearly unconstitutional and must be overturned. Attorney General Ashcroft and president bush believe so zealously in their cause that the privacy rights of patients are under assault. They believe we have no federal right to privacy when it concerns our medical histories.

On March 16th, we have a chance to nominate a candidate who will be tireless in the fight to protect women. It isn't simply about the right to choose, or privacy rights. It is about pay equity, about ending domestic violence, promoting health care around the world, and letting doctors decide treatment options, not federal judges.
-------------------------
*NOTE continued on Part 2

The Obamas on Partial Birth Abortion 2
continued from Part 1
---------------------
It goes without saying that we must win back the U.S. Senate and hold our ground as a check against the right-wing executive branch. Illinois will be a key battleground and your vote is critical.

My husband has stood up for women time and again, and I am proud of his record. He understands that casting a vote on the floor of the Senate takes greater courage than issuing a position paper. Oftentimes, a well intentioned law is in fact a flawed law. That's why it is critical we nominate someone who has faced these tough choices. That's why nominating an experienced legislator is so important in this race. It takes courage to cast a vote.

Who among the Democrats running has a proven record? Who among the candidates running for the Senate in Illinois has stood up to the right wing politicians and voted against their agenda? Who can we count on to keep the Bush/Ashcroft team from appointing the Supreme Court Justice that will vote against Roe v. Wade?

Please join me in sending a message of unity and strength by attending the Women for Obama Luncheon on February 23rd at the Hyatt Regency. Lunch costs $150 and includes remarks from our friends the Reverend Willie Barrow and Congresswoman Jan Schakowsky. To reserve your seat please call the campaign office headquarters at 312-427-6400 or log on to the Obama for Illinois Website.

I urge you to stand with me and support my husband at this event. You know the stakes have never been higher and we can't depend on untested amateurs and administrators in this fight. Barack is a fighter and he will be a champion we can be proud of.

Thanks you so much for all of your support.

Signature: Michelle Obama

I don’t want them punished with a baby
Planned Parenthood supports Obama; Naral supports Obama; all abortion lovers support Obama. He's already spilled the beans on aborting his own grandchildren "but if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby" so he can watch his girls play basketball "I spend, along with my wife, a lot of time making sure that my two young daughters, who are gorgeous and tall and I hope will get basketball scholarships...".

And yet abortion lovers mollify his actions on this one bill...why waste your time? Diversity to Obama means all shapes, sizes, and colors of aborted babies. It includes 2nd trimester, partial birth, and born alive. He's a man with a big tent when it comes to abortion, even his own grandchildren.

I've had my mind made up
since the candidate of my choice is no longer running for POTUS. I could not nor would not vote for someone who has proven himself to be a morally relativistic, Anti-America, lying, spin master who is unwilling to see truth when it stares him in the face time and time again. The Audacity of Obama is his ability to address people with a straight face. You can judge a man's character by the company he keeps. (Ayers, Wright etc). I vote based on the credibility, integrity and moral standing of an individual (in this case the lesser of two evils) and Obama clearly posseses none of these traits.

McCain Lied About Hearing Us



When I heard McCain's Hispanic Outreach guy was none other than Smiling Juan Hernandez, I knew John McCain has heard nothing we have had to say.


Smiling Juan Hernadez
We know who he is, we know his loyalties are to Mexico, we know he wants to erase our borders and immigration laws.

JOHN MCCAIN, YOU NEED A NEW HEARING AID

Smiling Juan Hernandez
In case you don't know him, he used to work for the Mexican govt., lately he has been shilling for "rights" for illegal aliens in this country. He has said he wants Mexicans to remain Mexicans even if they are living here. His loyalties are to Mexico, not U.S.



Questions for illegal alien apologists like John McCain:

Why does The National Council of the Race (la raza in spanish) and the Chamber of Commerce get to negotiate a "Comprehensive Shafting of The American Citizens" behind closed doors? Since when does an organization representing foreign nationals breaking our laws get to rewrite our immigration laws to suit the lawbreakers? Isn't this akin to allowing NAMBLA to rewrite our laws regarding child predators? Or allowing organized crime syndicates to rewrite racketeering, gambling, prostitution, and extortion laws?

We The People are being told by our representatives that we should sit down and shut up while they invite in the entire world. We The People should get some say in this matter. Another amnesty will set off a stampede like we have never seen before. There is not much time to save our country. All the power and money are on the side of shoving this amnesty down our throats. The RNC wants an amnesty candidate, don't vote for one.

GOP's new mantra...
Obama lied, people died

'enuf said

Obama and John Edwards...
...are twins, they seem to have identical
lying traits and integrity is lacking in both. These characters are outrageous.

The Bad News
No one on the left will even take notice of this latest revelation of a lying by Barack Obama. Simple things like personal conviction, acting from a position of truth, high moral values and such are trivia to the left. Winning is the only thing that holds merit or value.

Abortion is the "keel plank" of the Democratic Party Platform. That Obama adheres so intently to that plank only gives him stature in his party. What does it say about the kinds of decisions he would make when he holds party idealism above the sanctity of life? Moreover, what does it say about those who support him in spite of it?


BO should be
for once grateful that his white mom was not an abortionist.
He has also come out and indicated, he wouldn't want to keep his grandchild if either of his daughters made a mistake.
Is this hitting back psychologically for the affront of living life in a single mother, all white yet mixed race family tree, who knows but the fact of the matter is, there is no worse evil than that perpetrated on the helpless. No morals, no character, no judgement, no heart...no soul.

OBORTION OBAMA TRULY IS A BABY KILLER
It can't be seen any other way. During an abortion, the baby survives and makes it to the outside world, killing that survivor is okay with B.O. It's truly a murder. B.O.'s a disgrace, and a scumbag.

Didn't you get thd Democrat
you have to be FOR killing unborn babies (and for Obama, kill them if they survive an attempted abortion, too), but AGAINST killing terrorists.

Sorry, hit the wrong key
was trying to say "didn't you get the memo, to be a good Democrat....."

Not surprised...
Obama ALWAYS takes both positions of everything, then uses the most politically expedient spin. He has yet to make a firm decision on anything.

Let's try this again- Libs- cite ANY position that Obama has either been firmly for or against and been consistent.

The President's job is to make decisions. Period. Regardless of what position you have on any issue, how can anyone support a guy who's answer to everything changes daily and who's entire political record (which is extremely limited since he vote "present" more than anything else and only has a few years of experience) , without exception, proves this fact.

Table stance issues for a second. Can you really support a person for President who's answer to everything is either, "abstain", "both" or "ummm... errr... I have always said [the complete opposite of whatever you are calling me on]" to every possible question?

The Dems picked a loser
It is fun to watch the libs twist themselves into pretzels to defend him. Many of us don't love McCain, but he is not even close to the low level of Obama.

Obama is as far left on any issue as a person can get. He will lie and pretend to be a centrist while running, but he cannot be anything other than the leftist he is. If the liberals had such great ideas, they could present exactly what they want to do instead of lying and lurching to the center.

The "punished with a baby" statement is especially troubling because it shows a perspective that most of us do not share.

My oldest married two years ago, and she put her college education on hold until after her husband earned his Masters Degree. She planned on finishing and starting a career, and then they would start a family. Well, as you know, even our best laid plans sometimes go awry. When she discovered she was pregnant, she realized her life had been altered, but never has she felt "punished." She (and all of the rest of us involved) feel we have been blessed with this beautiful baby!

VIRGINIA PATRIAT
waaaaaaaa waaaaaaaa, So do you think that the DO NOTHING DEM LED CONGRESS and OBLAMA wants anything less for illegals than MCSHAME.

I THINK NOT except that LIBS want the VOTES thats why they are quite on the home front about illegals also.

PlEEEEAAASSEE come up with something new here, we all know by LIBS definition that REPS want cheep labor and LIBS want the VOTERS so whats new.


OBAMA LIED BABIES DIED now thats somethying new for you.

Virginia Patriot = Obama shill

I think I finally realized your problem. You don't know how to read. This article is about OBAMA and his wreckless support for abortion.

You'd rather cut-and-paste you tired argument about McCain and immigration.

You actually sound a lot like Kimberly. I would not be surprised if you were both were the same writer. You both have the same agenda and severe lack of depth and thought.

Keep posting, kim-pat.


Obama lied about abortion record
So what else is new?
He said fatherhood begins at conception, but
he votes for late term abortion...you can't even connect those dots, they are so far apart.
Why should ANYONE believe ANYTHING this man says? He's had so many stances on so many
topics, he reminds me of a puppet with its strings tangled up... leaving me wonder how many are pulling the strings?
In my personal opinion, I look at him as just a 'front man' for various agendas. Hamas, the PA, the Communist party are all openly pulling for him, and other groups in the US, with which I am personal disagreement.
He speaks, making something "perfectly clear" then he or a spokesman has to come back and clean up the manure he left;"clarify it."
When asked if he would agree to open debate with McCain, he said yes. He has dodged every
request from McCain to come through with it. If
he CANNOT OPENLY DEBATE a fellow Senator, how in the world is he going to debate/discuss issues with powerful foreign leaders?
Abortion is a very personal decision. However,
his stance on abortion, to me, is not high priority.
THE ONE THING HE HAS MADE (not said)
PERFECTLY CLEAR IS HIS REFUSAL TO BRING FORTH HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE.
I believe because of this refusal, and considering he is a candidate for the Presidency, he should be SUMMONED to bring it forth, for vigorous, forensic examination to prove its validity.
His past life, from birth, through schools, changes of residence in other nations... CRIES OUT FOR THAT DOCUMENT TO BE EXAMINED.
We aren't talking a baggage handler at an airport here...WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A PERSON WHO MIGHT BECOME PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. I don't see how he can take that office WITHOUT PRODUCING HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE! It should be MANDATORY!
I don't believe ANYONE should vote for him until this is accomplished. Then the abortion
lies or stance can be approached.

Obama lied, babies died
The only difference in Osama and Obama is the BS
Osama wants to kill Americans....Obama American
babies, esp if they are his potential grandchildren.
Osama hides in the hills of Pakistan, Obama hides behind George Soros...allergic to FOX
because they make make him answer questions without a prompter

McCain will benefit
I know there are some who would not vote for McCain for ANY reason. The Dems have picked such a horrid person to run for POTUS that it makes people afraid to vote third party. The more Obama speaks, the more he scares people away!

I understand what some posters are saying about getting the Republican Party back to true Conservatism. I am disappointed that McCain is the candidate, as well. I just think there are literally millions of people who realize the stakes are too high to vote third party and give the presidency to Obama. The posters claim that the "nose-holders" use race-baiting and scare tactics, and I really have not seen that.

I think it is a FACT that Obama is an ultralib. It is a FACT he is a pathological liar. It is a FACT that he is a race hustler when push comes to shove. It is a FACT he will work harder than McCain to foist amnesty on us. It is a FACT he will not deal with terrorists in a decisive manner. It is a FACT he would rather have lost in Iraq than admit the surge was successful.

I could go on and on, but I am sure everyone gets the point. I am not sold on McCain, but handing the presidency to Obama is growing riskier by the day (Russia is looking a little like Germany circa late 1930s, and Obama sounds eerily like a Neville Chamberlain).

You have a point, carolyn
However, wasn't Obama born in the US to an American mother? That would make him a citizen wouldn't it?

I do have to wonder why he is not producing a birth certificate. My kids have to produce them to engage in certain sports, to receive a driver's license, or to register for a new school. I would think a birth certificate would be standard procedure for the presidency given the residence requirements.

The inadequacy of
an Obama Presidency.

Idaho Gal,
Yes, this person is best categorized on the "Montruous" realm. He believes that his staunch support for woman rights, merits the extintion of Gods angels.
It wouldn't surprise me that he also believes that population control is the way of the future and will put a "cap" on your right to go forth and multiply.

Damiano, Hola, as always yours is a voice of reason we have learned to depend on. I am waiting to hear his reversal on this issue.



I'm just wondering.....

What? No "LMAOs" etc.?

Where is ol' Hal Donahue? (Hangover, perhaps?)

I'm amazed that he's not been here posting up a storm, defending Marxit Obama on THIS, one of doofus' favorite rants, abortion!

I'm just sayin'....


Mrs Ramsey
We already have a cap on the population, why do you think LIBS and their LIB Judges support the KILLING OF INNOCENT BABIES DAILY IN AMERICA NOW.


Same problem, same solution

I bet many of the Posters on this site would vote for Hitler or Stalin if they said they were against Abortion. Nothing else matters to so many of you.

The only time a man (or I should say a male) should mention the word abortion is when the lady he impregnated wants one. The only time a female should mention the word abortion is when she wants one.

All the rest of you, SHUT UP.

And let’s punish the one at fault. The perpetrator of the pregnancy should be castrated.

Before that operation, a short ceremony will determine that heads he gets an anesthetic, tails he doesn’t.

That should solve the problem rapidity.

SAD DAY
This is a sad day of my life, we have a party who claims to support the children and uses children as VICTIMS every election then they turn around and SUPPORT KILLING THE CHILDREN DAILY.

What the hell has this country turned into when we use CHILFREN TO GET ELECT then turn around and SUPPORT THEIR KILLINGS.

God better help this country becuase LIBS DONT and WONT. They only care about POWER not the PEOPLE of this great Nation that has lost its way if we elect the MESIAH

Deadly issue for Obama

I sincerely believe if/when THIS issue (Born Alive babies left to die because of Obama's vote) gets REAL national attention... THIS will sink Obama's chances.

McCain and/or a 527 Group needs to make a hard-hitting ad about babies being left to die.

The horrific inhumanity of letting a baby die is as bad or worse than the crimes of Hitler.

How can ANYONE be so heartless? And Obama supported this measure... to let children die.

Ms. Carpenter's article:
and this surprises anyone??

And they thought we little people of America were 'tupid. I love technology, it will become Obamas downfall! Wonder when he will start attacking the 'forces of technology'; oh wait, he has a whole section, on his website, devoted to fighting the 'rumors' about him, when in actuality we are finding out that many of these 'rumors' are actually true. He thinks only stupid and brainless homo-sapiens (and some are, evidently from some of the replies on these blogs)will read his website and other sources and dismiss it without proper research.

Keep spreading the word and help the blind.

Baby Killer

After the horrible treatment liberals heaped on to our Vietnam vets - name calling, spitting at them, calling the "Baby Killers".... maybe NOW it's time to return the favor.

At every Obama campaign event - large signs should pop up "Baby Killer". Make a big scene and get the media talking about this. The MSM is so far into Obama's anal region - it would take such measures to FORCE them into investigating Obama.

Ms. Carpenter's article:
and this surprises anyone??

And they thought we little people of America were 'tupid. I love technology, it will become Obamas downfall! Wonder when he will start attacking the 'forces of technology'; oh wait, he has a whole section, on his website, devoted to fighting the 'rumors' about him, when in actuality we are finding out that many of these 'rumors' are actually true. He thinks only stupid and brainless homo-sapiens (and some are, evidently from some of the replies on these blogs)will read his website and other sources and dismiss it without proper research.

Keep spreading the word and help the blind.

JIM
WOW I guess the man is the only one that is having sex to create that baby, What happen to the woman in your BS. IT TAKES TWO and if a woman is stupid enough to let a man she doesnt want to have a baby with have sex with her without PROTECTION than what type of SURGERY should she get. HEAD or TAIL

Charles
Reading the medical procedure was more than I could endure. Suddenly I felt myself crying. How can this happen...why is the mother/or father nor held responsible for their irresponsible actions? why is their moment of madness, not balanced by the little human they accidentaly brought to life? Why is it that I need to prove to be worthy to adopt a child, and stand on a waiting list for months if not years, when babies are so cavalierly destroyed? Why is it that their shame at conception, not overcomed by their will to murder?

Obama and Euthanasia

Obama is a strong advocate of killing Babies. Obama has a loooooooooooooong history of killing Babies.

Ever wondered what Obama will do when he passes the Obama 'Universal Healthcare Plan' and it is costly to maintain the LIVES of the Elderly?

Obama is ok with 'Genocide' = 'the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group'.

July 2007 "Presidential hopeful Barack Obama said the United States cannot use its military to solve humanitarian problems and that preventing a potential genocide in Iraq isn't a good enough reason to keep U.S. forces there."

jim
I don't have a strong position on abortion, but I don't like that Obama would lie about his record, and then go on to brow beat those who call him on it.

You say "we" would vote for Stalin or Hitler if he were against abortion.

Apparently you will vote for Obama NO matter what he puts forth as his policy, because he speaks eloguently when he is using a teleprompter. Pretty speaches do not make a president.

Before you drag out the old "Better than Bush" ditty, we are not talking about Obama versus Bush. Obama has done things that in ANY other circumstances would make him unelectable. Between his affiliations with extremist figures to his stated policy he is too far left to be seriously considered.

If I were you, I would be most afraid of a candidate that is being essentially coronated by the MSM. There is nothing more like fascism than a media who will cover up any foible in order to get their guy elected.

Time to Mobilize
Anyone disturbed by this revelation should do the following:
(1) Vote for McCain
(2) Notify friends and family members who are Christians.

The ballot box is the best way to defeat this unbelievable candidate.

i think what really frustrates many
of you is that no one will make a national issue out of this. screaming "baby killer" at the top of your lungs may be a nice emotional release, but the bottom line is that many americans are smart enough to understand that abortion is a tough issue with complicated moral ramifications. many late term abortions are preformed on seriously malformed babies. this is not to defend the practice, but like the terri schiavo case, real americans who deal with tragic circumstances understand that these issues are not served by the simple demagogouery that appears on these vile websites. obama may or may not win. but, i can assure you, the outcome will have absolutely nothing to do with obama's opposition to partial birth abortions or his alleged vote in a committee hearing in the illinois state senate.

Did you really say that?

charles

I don’t think my Gorgeous Sweetie, my children, or my Grandchildren would agree with you. What is the connection between being Qu*er and having an abortion? I didn’t think a committed Qu*er would get any one pregnant.

According to you, that idiot who talked her into it was just along to satisfy the lady's desire.

What world do you live in? 99% of the time it is the idea of the male, and he didn't care what happened, cause he (you) would just walk away and let the lady suffer.

How terrible. Put the blame where it belongs, on people with ideas like yours.

================


JMind

I have been a repub for about 80 years, how about you? I would never vote for OBamBam.

Cut and Paste

I don’t want to spend all day trying to think up new answers to these comments, so here are some cut and paste, from the past.

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The question is always asked, “Does abortion end an innocent human life?” Absolutely not. The Bible says in Genesis 2, verse 6 or 7. Life begins with the breath of life, not before.

================

I say I am against all abortions unless the alternative is worse.

It has often been said, that if men could get pregnant, abortions would be available everywhere.

================

Are you one of those who watch TV news stories of starving babies in Nigeria and cheer, and say, "At least she didn't get an abortion!"

If a child can be expected to starve and suffer for the very few months of its life, let’s stop the birth, until someone can find a way to force (if necessary) MEN and women to make proper choices in their sexual activities.

I wish I had written down the name, but I actually did hear an anti-abortion fanatic on TV last year, say that he actually believed that a starving baby was better off than an aborted fetus, really. Don’t have an idea who or when or where.

===========

As I told the doctor when my daughter was born, “I know child bearing has its expected problems, but until my Beautiful Wife is as safe as she can be during childbirth, there is no baby.” The Dr. said, “That’s what I like to hear.”

Bob Novakaine

You write, "the bottom line is that many americans are smart enough to understand that abortion is a tough issue with complicated moral ramifications."


Actually Bob, 70% of Americans believe partial-birth abortion is wrong.

Even NARAL didn't oppose Born Alive Legislation.

What "moral conflict" exists when a child is born and breathing? PLEASE - explain YOUR moral conflict of why the birthed child should be put to death.

Another Bible expert checks in...
Jim says: "The question is always asked, “Does abortion end an innocent human life?” Absolutely not. The Bible says in Genesis 2, verse 6 or 7. Life begins with the breath of life, not before."

The Scripture says:

"Then the LORD God formed man (Hebrew Adam) [of] dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man (Adam) became a living being." (Gen 2:7)

This is distinguishing man from other creatures that were made, not fashioned like a pot as man was, and is refering to creation. You might also need to know that the word for spirit and breath in Hebrew are the same. BTW, the word from or of before isn't there. We ARE the dust of the earth.

A Hebrew translation reads:

Genesis 2:7, "And YHWH Elohim made the earthling a building block and blew into his nostrils the breath of life, and he became the earthling for the life soul "

To you, then, a growing baby in the womb is dead. You need a better argument than Genesis.

Correction and amplification
Please read:

BTW, the word "from" or "of" before the word "dust" isn't there.

for:

BTW, the word from or of before isn't there.

john
i, too, believe partial birth abortion is wrong. i never said a birthed child should be put to death. but in certain cases, such as when a child will be born with extreme birth defects or with very low life expectancy, these issues are not so simple. that's what i said in my post. read it again.

Let's be honest
Jim, the incidence of abortions performed to save the life of the mother are very rare, and even the Catholic Church says abortion in the case of saving the life of the mother is permissable. Nobody I know is against abortion when it is truly a life-saving procedure. Of course, the pro-abortion people want to warp it into mental, financial, etc. life in addition to the actual physical life.

Most abortions are performed for one reason and one reason only--birth control. If a woman is not proactive, that may be her solution to being pregnant. All partial birth abortions are performed for one reason and one reason only--to deliver a dead fetus. It has NEVER in any instance saved the life of a mother (seems like it would be safer to have a C-section).

Obama is part of the culture that wants to keep abortion a political issue. He is a radical in every way when it comes to abortion.

My 14 year old daughter cannot get a tattoo without my permission. She cannot get her ears pierced without my permission, and she cannot be given an aspirin by a school nurse. However, she could get an abortion without my knowledge. That is not only ludicrous, but it shows how the radicals have jack-slapped society into submission.

If he thinks he is right in his support of radical abortion legislation, why is he lying? If his stand was defensible, he should be proud of what he did.

EVERYONE HAS AN OPINION
November 1998. While on vacation at the inlaws in Montana, our daughter was born 11 weeks premature. As she laid on the table, unable to breath but able to move, she looked like a typical newborn except very, very small. The next day she lost "water weight" and looked like a miniature old person. My point is this. When God "formed thee in the belly", a life form is created. Now when the spirit enters the body, well, you'll have to take that up with our Father in heaven when you pass on. If the child is aborted because of rape, incest, life of the mother, or severe deformity or defect, then there is the case for ending the pregnancy. If it is to relieve responsibility for reckless behavior, I don't know how you'll explain that at judgement, so good luck with that. I've always held the believe that if birth control is not used - if you're not preventing, you're trying (to get pregnant). Our "baby" will be 10 in November and reading at a 6th grade level. She is a child of God from the time she left her mother. Everyone has choices to make. Abort innocent life, shoot up a church, strangle an ex-lover, it never makes much sense.

JIM
If you have been a REPUB for 80 yrs then you are very old and this is not the 30s or 40s where you had all those shotgun weddings when you got a person pregnant. This is the turn of the century and the women out there today know what they want and what they are doing, but to put blame only on the man who you want castrated for haing sex with a women whom probably by the way agreed to it and if not she should have had him arrested for rape. Did your wife want you castrated when you got her pregnant when you both consented to have sex, I think not but to tell us all to SHUT UP becuase we think killing innocent little babies that live after the abortion is some way of POPULATION GROWTH is ignorant on your behalf.

I do apologise for my GAY comment but we do get allot of people from CALIFORNIA that come on here that are gay or are for killing little babies.

Bob Novakaine

Your premise, Bob, is that parents can play God (and kill the child) if defects exist - even into the 3rd trimester where life is viable outside the womb.

Sorry but the last time I checked criminal codes - killing a mentally retarded or physically deformed person didn't diminish the crime.

You ended your original post with,

"obama may or may not win. but, i can assure you, the outcome will have absolutely nothing to do with obama's opposition to partial birth abortions or his alleged vote in a committee hearing in the illinois state senate."


This isn't a debate about gooey egg-sac of proteins developing into a life... it is about A LIVE BIRTHED CHILD and whether that child deserves to live or die.

And I can ASSURE you... people of faith (Christians, Mormons, Catholics, Jews, etc) who believe in the sanctity of life WILL reject Obama in whole or part BECAUSE of this issue.



The Political Eugenics of Abortion
Legal abortion supresses the breeding of future liberals.

Why not read this important comment?

Isn’t that interesting. Of all the many things I have written here today, do you happen to notice that the thing that has caused the most problems is that I said “Shut up.”

No one has noticed, or commented on what I think is my most important comment.

“I say I am against all abortions unless the alternative is worse.”

Hmmmm
A Liberal politician lied...it would seem that liberals like liars, cheaters, thieves and dopers or they wouldn't keep sending them to congress over and over again.

What hasn't he LIED about?
HE is the ABORTIONISTS BEST FRIEND!

HE IS AN ALLY OF THE DEVIL!

HE IS NOT A CHRISTIAN - HE IS A BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGIST!

THAT IS NOT CHRISTIANITY!

SO ABORTION IS ACCEPTABLE TO THIS "messiah" - ECPECIALLY IF HE GETS MONEY FROM NARAL AND PLANNED PARENTHOOD!

HE IS THE SCUM OF THE EARTH - for he seeks to climb to the pinncle of power on the corpses of DEAD BABIES!

OBAMA: THE ABORTION KING!
HE is the ABORTION KING!!

HE IS AN ALLY OF THE DEVIL!

HE IS NOT A CHRISTIAN - HE IS A BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGIST!

THAT IS NOT CHRISTIANITY!

SO ABORTION IS ACCEPTABLE TO THIS "messiah" - ECPECIALLY IF HE GETS MONEY AND VOTES FROM NARAL AND PLANNED PARENTHOOD!

HE IS THE SCUM OF THE EARTH - for he seeks to climb to the pinncle of power on the corpses of DEAD BABIES!

john
the point i was making is that people are sometimes forced to make really difficult decisions. imagine for an instant, if you are capeable, that you and your spouse decided to abort a baby that developed terrible birth defects at the latter stages of pregnancy. the doctor preforms the abortion, but the baby still has a slight heartbeat after being delivered from the womb. should doctors be forced to do everything in their power to revive the baby you and your spouse decided to kill? right in front of you? or should they mercifully allow the baby to die? i do not presume to be such an absolute moral authority to say that a doctor who allows that baby to die is a straight up murderer. and i would never call parents faced with that difficult choice "baby murderers." all i can say is that i like to think i would not make that choice and i would allow my baby to live regardless of the circumstances. i like to think that. but i have compassion for others that find themselves in those sort of tragic circumstances. if you think this makes me a baby killer, i have nothing more to say to you.

40-45 million dead over 35 years
"It's time to turn the page, it's time for a new chapter in American history." -- Barack Hussein Obama Jr., speaking to Planned Parenthood.

Apparently, it's time to abandon our tired, old morality and to pick up where the Nazis left off.

It's time to end the hypocrisy of looking the other way. It's time to face that cold steel table and to celebrate abortion. It's time to revel in infanticide. I mean, that's what I liked about the Dean candidacy back in 2004: there you had a candidate who not only supported completely unlimited abortion, but who had actually performed a few. Now THAT's commitment!

To be fair, at least Obama would kill his own grandchildren. But what a shame that Ann Dunham couldn't exercise such a "choice".

I picture Margaret Sanger in Hell being handed a glass of ice water by Satan himself to celebrate the Obama candidacy. Her elation would be tempered, of course, by the fact that she didn't much care for the dark people, but half a loaf is better than none, no?


But what about the Polar Bears ?
*
___Murder 100% complete human beings, starve the country of all its energy resources, shut down any form of debate " the debate about global warming is over", and pray at the alter of the Polar Bear.
Exactly why Liberals are Reviled...

Bob Novakaine

What WOULD you call parents who waited until the child was viable outside the womb and THEN decided to end the child's life because they didn't want to "deal with" a disabled child?

Heroic? Courageous?

I have no sympathy or compassion for anyone who would kill their own child.

Having a severly mentally retarded sister, myself, I can tell you YES there are challenges we (my family) endured... but my sister deserves life just as much as anyone who has ever lived.

It is my ardent opinion that NO child (that can sustain life outside the womb) should EVER be surgically removed and killed. If parents have "guilt" let them give the child up for adoption or care from someone with much greater capacity for kindness.

Glad to know there are people who are more worried about the feeeeelings of irresponsible adults than the LIFE of a child.

john
i admire your compassion for the unborn. i just wish it extended a little bit to the rest of us. to each his own. nice talking with you.

What is so REVEALING>>>
about this story is that Obama is notorius for NEVER taking a stand on anything while in office. He has a long, long record of voting "present" on nearly every bill that came up for a vote while he was in the IL Senate.

But on this issue - not only did he vote but he presided over the committee.

BUT WHEN IT CAME TIME TO CAST A VOTE THAT NARAL AND PLANNED PARENTHOOD WOULD LOVE HE WAS "OBAMA ON THE SPOT"!

HE KNEW WHERE HIS MONEY AND HIS VOTES WERE COMING FROM - DAMN THE BABIES!

OBAMA IS AN ABORTION FIEND >>>> ANY CATHOLIC OR CHRISTIAN WHO VOTES FOR HIM HAS BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS!

Tiller the Baby Killer - Kansas

"In 1993, a pregnant teenager and her parents traveled 900 miles to Dr George Tiller's office in Kansas to receive an elective late-term abortion.

Tiller began the abortion by injecting a poisonous syringe through the pregnant teenager's uterus and into the upper left side of the unborn baby's face.

He then instructed the teenager to return the next day for the completion of the abortion.

To everyone's dismay, the baby did not die during the intervening hours. After the teenager began to complain of serious abdominal pains, her parents rushed her to a local hospital where the baby was eventually born—alive.

The delivery room staff felt that life-support would be futile, so they wrapped the baby in a bassinet without attendance. The teenager and her parents quickly left the scene.

Even without medical care, the baby remained alive. After many hours had passed, the delivery room staff decided to give her treatment.

Miraculously, she managed to survive through the entire ordeal. "Sarah", as her adoptive parents later named her, lived until the age of 5, when she succumbed to the developmental harm done to her body during the abortion.

The KCl solution that had been injected into the side of her face had left her permanently blind and brain damaged.

Prior to the abortion, Sarah was a perfectly normal baby.

The relevant medical records indicate that she had no disabilities or deformities.

If Tiller hadn't attempted to poison her, she would be a healthy 9 year old girl with an entire life ahead of her.

Instead, she is in a grave."

So let me get this straight.
Pre-suffering human beings should be put to death.

Breathing through an umbilical cord somehow makes you less of a human being than if you breathe through lungs.

Human beings that have been conceived during an illegal violent act should be exterminated even though they were not responsible for the crime.

One should be proud of considering their own children, during delivery and after to be non-
human.
Great to know how my fellow Americans are thinking. Truly wonderful people.
Reading these posts is like reading a scary Orwellian novel.
It's like a scary Orwellian novel.
Obama said he would rather his grandchildren die then to inconvenience one of his daughters with a baby at an early age.
Creep!

Obama the Magnificient
Obama is ignorant, inexperienced, racially motivated and dishonest. And those may be his good points. Did I mention vacuous and narcissistic?

A reasonably accurate profile of the modern liberal, I'd say; hence his popularity with the shambling cretins on the Left.

Retired Geek...WOW...

I bet you didn't see that report on "60 minutes" or "20-20", or "Larry King Live"?

The Sick Liberal MSM commies wouldn't dare report an abortion story... They love dead babies.

Well Liberal-Progressive-Commies... What say you? Heartwarming story, eh?

Bara-kat Got Your Tongues?

Come on libs!
Why is it you must lie publicly with your beliefs and stances on the issues? If you're so proud of your abortion stance, come on out and say it! The continual underhandedness in trying to hide your beliefs shows you really don't have an argument to begin with. When it comes to abortion, you have no logic or reasoning to back your beliefs. You just want an easy way out when you drop your drawers. After all the sex education regarding condom use, a million of you every year still can't seem to get one on right.

Anyone have a comment?


Did you notice, here it is, the sun almost going down, and not one person has commented on my hard and fast opinion of Abortion. Why is that?

I will be back in the morning to see if anyone, left or right, got the nerve to comment.

This isn’t just a new idea, that has been my opinion for 65 or 70 years, when I first heard of the word.

"I am absolutely against an abortion, unless the alternative is worse."

Obama record on abortion
Children should not be killed, whether born, unborn, about to be born, or born alive after a botched abortion. Yes, there are narrow exceptions and I accept those because they ARE exceptions. Abortion is the murder of innocent children.

Bloody-Pathological Liar..

No one politician has so openly defied Judeo-Christian values and the people's increasing anti-abortion sentiments (esppecially to partial-birth barbarism) as Barack Obama..with or without his bogus "neutrality clause" excuse.

When the issue of Infants Born Alive was voted on at the national level, even the most radical of the Feminist-Leftists voted for life..but not Barack.

Now that the "Christian" has been forced to back peddle on his beloved dedication to Extreme Abortion, etc.. When is Barry going to come clean regarding his Mysterious Barack Obama Jr Birth Certificate?

ACCORDING TO MY SCORE CARD
OBAMA HAS LIED OVER AND OVER AGAIN!
IF THE DEMOS THINK THEY HAVE SWEEP COMING
THEY BETTER BE CAREFUL...ENERGY,ENERGY,
ECONOMY,ECONOMY.....psssst hey john put mitt on the ticket...and watch him debate the economy..
BINGO! Abortion is bad news but sadly it isnt going away! But if the economy keeps sinking
abortion will take a back seat this nov.4th!
elvis

Obama became
an unequivocal MURDERER when he stopped the passage of the Born Alive Infant Protection Act.

He would not even allow a child rapist to be treated on death row the way he WILL ALLOW a poor helpless fetus to be treated by the healthcare industry.

And if he can allow a fetus to die on a gurney in a hospital hallway ...

JUST WHAT DO YOU THINK HE WILL ALLOW TO HAPPEN TO YOU UNDER THE OBAMA HEALTHCARE PLAN?

The trip from cradle to grave will be a lot shorter under OBAMACARE ...

IF YOU EVEN GET TO THE CRADLE!

That's not the bill I knew.
Maybe someone should send Obama a copy of the bill he voted against.

breath of life
Hey Rich,

I think that was said of the first man every made...Adam. I don't recall God saying he had a mother, if he had he would have said he knew him before birth as in other places in the Bible. Take all of the scripture, not just one verse!

um, jim
You claim that you support abortion only when the alternative is worse. That can mean basically one of two things: a) You support the miniscule number of abortions that are performed for the mother's life. OR b) You are one of those who believes only "wanted" children should be born because to be "unwanted" is worst than death. I am not sure.

You sound like you just think women who have had abortions should be able to weigh in on the subject. Do you also believe that men should have a say as to whether or not they pay child support if they impregnate a woman to whom they are not married? I am just curious as to what you are thinking.

I suspect nobody has answered you because they do not think you seriously want an answer. It is also possible that your early, rather condescending, post turned many people off, and they did not care to read anything else you said on the subject.


Obama is A Lying Marxist!!
The point about Obama's stance on this, as on every thing else he says, is the fact the man is a liar. His background has been Radical Left from the get go. His so-called early days in Chicago Politics, was as a so-called, Community Activist, (translated Marxist Activity that Created Victimhood and Demanding Government Fund His and His Organization's activities.) As a state legislator in Illinois, he was On the Far Left on all Issues.

What do you expect from a dude born a Muslim, then denying it. Belonged to a So-Called Christian Church, that was a Marxist Front that taught Liberation Theology.

This man has no scruples, and no true loyalties except to himself, and his Inflated Ego, and thirst for Power. He will say and do anything in this quest for power. The DNC knew this about this Stooge when they Hand Picked Their Hand Puppet to represent them. He Will Say and Do anything He is Told to, as Long as He Gets To get in Front Of A Camera, Smile, Wave His Arms, and Assume an Emperor's status.

Wake up American, these Communists, posing as run of the mill Liberal Democrats are dangerous to the Nth degree. If you love freedom in any area of your life, you better Vote No To Obama, and the rest of The Liberal Democrat Establishment.

abortion
We as faithful Catholics are a PRO-LIFE people ,so why are some catholics even considering to vote for the most pro-death canidate ever. The will of God always should come first, not ours. Does anyone who votes pro-choice believe that is God's will. No, of course not. These babies are His children. Remember that when you go to vote. We need to send a strong message this November, that Catholics are Pro- Life all the way and not a swing vote.

McCAIN supports abortion
McCain supports abortion rights in this debates with Bush:

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4823197

Another Obama misrepresentation away
with! His campaign has also managed to get away with his support of the bill that required expicit sex education for kindegarten by simply lieing about it. In that case, the K-12 bill indicates that yes, it is intended for kindegarten yet he has gotten away with denying that is true and naturrally the media allows it.

Joseph
You're the victim of one of McCain's many lies. Here is an example of his smearing Romney.


McCain is sending out a postcard mailing in South Carolina that is misleading on more than one point.
It says that "Romney provided taxpayer-funded abortions," a distortion. Romney's Massachusetts health-care plan faced a court order requiring abortions to be covered.

One of the new ads from the man who flushed his dignity down the drain...

"A McCain campaign ad claims Obama's "one accomplishment" was a bill to teach sex ed to kindergarten kids. Don't believe it."

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/off_base_on_sex_ed. html

The war
The news coming out of Iraq gets more devastating every day.

Satellite Photos Show Sectarian Cleansing, Not Surge, Led to Drop in Iraq Violence

Posted September 19, 2008

http://news.antiwar.com/2008/09/19/study-suggests-sectarian -cleansing-not-surge-led-to-drop-in-iraq-violence/
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