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Tuesday, March 18, 2008
Amanda Carpenter :: Townhall.com Columnist
Obama’s Race Speech Full Text
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“We the people, in order to form a more perfect union.”

Two hundred and twenty one years ago, in a hall that still stands across the street, a group of men gathered and, with these simple words, launched America’s improbable experiment in democracy. Farmers and scholars; statesmen and patriots who had traveled across an ocean to escape tyranny and persecution finally made real their declaration of independence at a Philadelphia convention that lasted through the spring of 1787.

The document they produced was eventually signed but ultimately unfinished. It was stained by this nation’s original sin of slavery, a question that divided the colonies and brought the convention to a stalemate until the founders chose to allow the slave trade to continue for at least twenty more years, and to leave any final resolution to future generations.

Of course, the answer to the slavery question was already embedded within our Constitution – a Constitution that had at is very core the ideal of equal citizenship under the law; a Constitution that promised its people liberty, and justice, and a union that could be and should be perfected over time.

And yet words on a parchment would not be enough to deliver slaves from bondage, or provide men and women of every color and creed their full rights and obligations as citizens of the United States. What would be needed were Americans in successive generations who were willing to do their part – through protests and struggle, on the streets and in the courts, through a civil war and civil disobedience and always at great risk - to narrow that gap between the promise of our ideals and the reality of their time.

This was one of the tasks we set forth at the beginning of this campaign – to continue the long march of those who came before us, a march for a more just, more equal, more free, more caring and more prosperous America. I chose to run for the presidency at this moment in history because I believe deeply that we cannot solve the challenges of our time unless we solve them together – unless we perfect our union by understanding that we may have different stories, but we hold common hopes; that we may not look the same and we may not have come from the same place, but we all want to move in the same direction – towards a better future for of children and our grandchildren.

This belief comes from my unyielding faith in the decency and generosity of the American people. But it also comes from my own American story.

I am the son of a black man from Kenya and a white woman from Kansas. I was raised with the help of a white grandfather who survived a Depression to serve in Patton’s Army during World War II and a white grandmother who worked on a bomber assembly line at Fort Leavenworth while he was overseas. I’ve gone to some of the best schools in America and lived in one of the world’s poorest nations. I am married to a black American who carries within her the blood of slaves and slaveowners – an inheritance we pass on to our two precious daughters. I have brothers, sisters, nieces, nephews, uncles and cousins, of every race and every hue, scattered across three continents, and for as long as I live, I will never forget that in no other country on Earth is my story even possible.

It’s a story that hasn’t made me the most conventional candidate. But it is a story that has seared into my genetic makeup the idea that this nation is more than the sum of its parts – that out of many, we are truly one.

Throughout the first year of this campaign, against all predictions to the contrary, we saw how hungry the American people were for this message of unity. Despite the temptation to view my candidacy through a purely racial lens, we won commanding victories in states with some of the whitest populations in the country. In South Carolina, where the Confederate Flag still flies, we built a powerful coalition of African Americans and white Americans.

This is not to say that race has not been an issue in the campaign. At various stages in the campaign, some commentators have deemed me either “too black” or “not black enough.” We saw racial tensions bubble to the surface during the week before the South Carolina primary. The press has scoured every exit poll for the latest evidence of racial polarization, not just in terms of white and black, but black and brown as well.

And yet, it has only been in the last couple of weeks that the discussion of race in this campaign has taken a particularly divisive turn.

On one end of the spectrum, we’ve heard the implication that my candidacy is somehow an exercise in affirmative action; that it’s based solely on the desire of wide-eyed liberals to purchase racial reconciliation on the cheap. On the other end, we’ve heard my former pastor, Reverend Jeremiah Wright, use incendiary language to express views that have the potential not only to widen the racial divide, but views that denigrate both the greatness and the goodness of our nation; that rightly offend white and black alike.

I have already condemned, in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely – just as I’m sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests, or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed.

But the remarks that have caused this recent firestorm weren’t simply controversial. They weren’t simply a religious leader’s effort to speak out against perceived injustice. Instead, they expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country – a view that sees white racism as endemic, and that elevates what is wrong with America above all that we know is right with America; a view that sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam.

As such, Reverend Wright’s comments were not only wrong but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity; racially charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems – two wars, a terrorist threat, a falling economy, a chronic health care crisis and potentially devastating climate change; problems that are neither black or white or Latino or Asian, but rather problems that confront us all.

Given my background, my politics, and my professed values and ideals, there will no doubt be those for whom my statements of condemnation are not enough. Why associate myself with Reverend Wright in the first place, they may ask? Why not join another church? And I confess that if all that I knew of Reverend Wright were the snippets of those sermons that have run in an endless loop on the television and You Tube, or if Trinity United Church of Christ conformed to the caricatures being peddled by some commentators, there is no doubt that I would react in much the same way

But the truth is, that isn’t all that I know of the man. The man I met more than twenty years ago is a man who helped introduce me to my Christian faith, a man who spoke to me about our obligations to love one another; to care for the sick and lift up the poor. He is a man who served his country as a U.S. Marine; who has studied and lectured at some of the finest universities and seminaries in the country, and who for over thirty years led a church that serves the community by doing God’s work here on Earth – by housing the homeless, ministering to the needy, providing day care services and scholarships and prison ministries, and reaching out to those suffering from HIV/AIDS.

In my first book, Dreams From My Father, I described the experience of my first service at Trinity:

“People began to shout, to rise from their seats and clap and cry out, a forceful wind carrying the reverend’s voice up into the rafters….And in that single note – hope! – I heard something else; at the foot of that cross, inside the thousands of churches across the city, I imagined the stories of ordinary black people merging with the stories of David and Goliath, Moses and Pharaoh, the Christians in the lion’s den, Ezekiel’s field of dry bones. Those stories – of survival, and freedom, and hope – became our story, my story; the blood that had spilled was our blood, the tears our tears; until this black church, on this bright day, seemed once more a vessel carrying the story of a people into future generations and into a larger world. Our trials and triumphs became at once unique and universal, black and more than black; in chronicling our journey, the stories and songs gave us a means to reclaim memories that we didn’t need to feel shame about…memories that all people might study and cherish – and with which we could start to rebuild.”

That has been my experience at Trinity. Like other predominantly black churches across the country, Trinity embodies the black community in its entirety – the doctor and the welfare mom, the model student and the former gang-banger. Like other black churches, Trinity’s services are full of raucous laughter and sometimes bawdy humor. They are full of dancing, clapping, screaming and shouting that may seem jarring to the untrained ear. The church contains in full the kindness and cruelty, the fierce intelligence and the shocking ignorance, the struggles and successes, the love and yes, the bitterness and bias that make up the black experience in America.

And this helps explain, perhaps, my relationship with Reverend Wright. As imperfect as he may be, he has been like family to me. He strengthened my faith, officiated my wedding, and baptized my children. Not once in my conversations with him have I heard him talk about any ethnic group in derogatory terms, or treat whites with whom he interacted with anything but courtesy and respect. He contains within him the contradictions – the good and the bad – of the community that he has served diligently for so many years.

I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother – a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.

These people are a part of me. And they are a part of America, this country that I love.

Some will see this as an attempt to justify or excuse comments that are simply inexcusable. I can assure you it is not. I suppose the politically safe thing would be to move on from this episode and just hope that it fades into the woodwork. We can dismiss Reverend Wright as a crank or a demagogue, just as some have dismissed Geraldine Ferraro, in the aftermath of her recent statements, as harboring some deep-seated racial bias.

But race is an issue that I believe this nation cannot afford to ignore right now. We would be making the same mistake that Reverend Wright made in his offending sermons about America – to simplify and stereotype and amplify the negative to the point that it distorts reality.

The fact is that the comments that have been made and the issues that have surfaced over the last few weeks reflect the complexities of race in this country that we’ve never really worked through – a part of our union that we have yet to perfect. And if we walk away now, if we simply retreat into our respective corners, we will never be able to come together and solve challenges like health care, or education, or the need to find good jobs for every American.

Understanding this reality requires a reminder of how we arrived at this point. As William Faulkner once wrote, “The past isn’t dead and buried. In fact, it isn’t even past.” We do not need to recite here the history of racial injustice in this country. But we do need to remind ourselves that so many of the disparities that exist in the African-American community today can be directly traced to inequalities passed on from an earlier generation that suffered under the brutal legacy of slavery and Jim Crow.

Segregated schools were, and are, inferior schools; we still haven’t fixed them, fifty years after Brown v. Board of Education, and the inferior education they provided, then and now, helps explain the pervasive achievement gap between today’s black and white students.

Legalized discrimination - where blacks were prevented, often through violence, from owning property, or loans were not granted to African-American business owners, or black homeowners could not access FHA mortgages, or blacks were excluded from unions, or the police force, or fire departments – meant that black families could not amass any meaningful wealth to bequeath to future generations. That history helps explain the wealth and income gap between black and white, and the concentrated pockets of poverty that persists in so many of today’s urban and rural communities.

A lack of economic opportunity among black men, and the shame and frustration that came from not being able to provide for one’s family, contributed to the erosion of black families – a problem that welfare policies for many years may have worsened. And the lack of basic services in so many urban black neighborhoods – parks for kids to play in, police walking the beat, regular garbage pick-up and building code enforcement – all helped create a cycle of violence, blight and neglect that continue to haunt us.

This is the reality in which Reverend Wright and other African-Americans of his generation grew up. They came of age in the late fifties and early sixties, a time when segregation was still the law of the land and opportunity was systematically constricted. What’s remarkable is not how many failed in the face of discrimination, but rather how many men and women overcame the odds; how many were able to make a way out of no way for those like me who would come after them.

But for all those who scratched and clawed their way to get a piece of the American Dream, there were many who didn’t make it – those who were ultimately defeated, in one way or another, by discrimination. That legacy of defeat was passed on to future generations – those young men and increasingly young women who we see standing on street corners or languishing in our prisons, without hope or prospects for the future. Even for those blacks who did make it, questions of race, and racism, continue to define their worldview in fundamental ways. For the men and women of Reverend Wright’s generation, the memories of humiliation and doubt and fear have not gone away; nor has the anger and the bitterness of those years. That anger may not get expressed in public, in front of white co-workers or white friends. But it does find voice in the barbershop or around the kitchen table. At times, that anger is exploited by politicians, to gin up votes along racial lines, or to make up for a politician’s own failings.

And occasionally it finds voice in the church on Sunday morning, in the pulpit and in the pews. The fact that so many people are surprised to hear that anger in some of Reverend Wright’s sermons simply reminds us of the old truism that the most segregated hour in American life occurs on Sunday morning. That anger is not always productive; indeed, all too often it distracts attention from solving real problems; it keeps us from squarely facing our own complicity in our condition, and prevents the African-American community from forging the alliances it needs to bring about real change. But the anger is real; it is powerful; and to simply wish it away, to condemn it without understanding its roots, only serves to widen the chasm of misunderstanding that exists between the races.

In fact, a similar anger exists within segments of the white community. Most working- and middle-class white Americans don’t feel that they have been particularly privileged by their race. Their experience is the immigrant experience – as far as they’re concerned, no one’s handed them anything, they’ve built it from scratch. They’ve worked hard all their lives, many times only to see their jobs shipped overseas or their pension dumped after a lifetime of labor. They are anxious about their futures, and feel their dreams slipping away; in an era of stagnant wages and global competition, opportunity comes to be seen as a zero sum game, in which your dreams come at my expense. So when they are told to bus their children to a school across town; when they hear that an African American is getting an advantage in landing a good job or a spot in a good college because of an injustice that they themselves never committed; when they’re told that their fears about crime in urban neighborhoods are somehow prejudiced, resentment builds over time.

Like the anger within the black community, these resentments aren’t always expressed in polite company. But they have helped shape the political landscape for at least a generation. Anger over welfare and affirmative action helped forge the Reagan Coalition. Politicians routinely exploited fears of crime for their own electoral ends. Talk show hosts and conservative commentators built entire careers unmasking bogus claims of racism while dismissing legitimate discussions of racial injustice and inequality as mere political correctness or reverse racism.

Just as black anger often proved counterproductive, so have these white resentments distracted attention from the real culprits of the middle class squeeze – a corporate culture rife with inside dealing, questionable accounting practices, and short-term greed; a Washington dominated by lobbyists and special interests; economic policies that favor the few over the many. And yet, to wish away the resentments of white Americans, to label them as misguided or even racist, without recognizing they are grounded in legitimate concerns – this too widens the racial divide, and blocks the path to understanding.

This is where we are right now. It’s a racial stalemate we’ve been stuck in for years. Contrary to the claims of some of my critics, black and white, I have never been so naïve as to believe that we can get beyond our racial divisions in a single election cycle, or with a single candidacy – particularly a candidacy as imperfect as my own.

But I have asserted a firm conviction – a conviction rooted in my faith in God and my faith in the American people – that working together we can move beyond some of our old racial wounds, and that in fact we have no choice is we are to continue on the path of a more perfect union.

For the African-American community, that path means embracing the burdens of our past without becoming victims of our past. It means continuing to insist on a full measure of justice in every aspect of American life. But it also means binding our particular grievances – for better health care, and better schools, and better jobs - to the larger aspirations of all Americans -- the white woman struggling to break the glass ceiling, the white man whose been laid off, the immigrant trying to feed his family. And it means taking full responsibility for own lives – by demanding more from our fathers, and spending more time with our children, and reading to them, and teaching them that while they may face challenges and discrimination in their own lives, they must never succumb to despair or cynicism; they must always believe that they can write their own destiny.

Ironically, this quintessentially American – and yes, conservative – notion of self-help found frequent expression in Reverend Wright’s sermons. But what my former pastor too often failed to understand is that embarking on a program of self-help also requires a belief that society can change.

The profound mistake of Reverend Wright’s sermons is not that he spoke about racism in our society. It’s that he spoke as if our society was static; as if no progress has been made; as if this country – a country that has made it possible for one of his own members to run for the highest office in the land and build a coalition of white and black; Latino and Asian, rich and poor, young and old -- is still irrevocably bound to a tragic past. But what we know -- what we have seen – is that America can change. That is true genius of this nation. What we have already achieved gives us hope – the audacity to hope – for what we can and must achieve tomorrow.

In the white community, the path to a more perfect union means acknowledging that what ails the African-American community does not just exist in the minds of black people; that the legacy of discrimination - and current incidents of discrimination, while less overt than in the past - are real and must be addressed. Not just with words, but with deeds – by investing in our schools and our communities; by enforcing our civil rights laws and ensuring fairness in our criminal justice system; by providing this generation with ladders of opportunity that were unavailable for previous generations. It requires all Americans to realize that your dreams do not have to come at the expense of my dreams; that investing in the health, welfare, and education of black and brown and white children will ultimately help all of America prosper.

In the end, then, what is called for is nothing more, and nothing less, than what all the world’s great religions demand – that we do unto others as we would have them do unto us. Let us be our brother’s keeper, Scripture tells us. Let us be our sister’s keeper. Let us find that common stake we all have in one another, and let our politics reflect that spirit as well.

For we have a choice in this country. We can accept a politics that breeds division, and conflict, and cynicism. We can tackle race only as spectacle – as we did in the OJ trial – or in the wake of tragedy, as we did in the aftermath of Katrina - or as fodder for the nightly news. We can play Reverend Wright’s sermons on every channel, every day and talk about them from now until the election, and make the only question in this campaign whether or not the American people think that I somehow believe or sympathize with his most offensive words. We can pounce on some gaffe by a Hillary supporter as evidence that she’s playing the race card, or we can speculate on whether white men will all flock to John McCain in the general election regardless of his policies.

We can do that.

But if we do, I can tell you that in the next election, we’ll be talking about some other distraction. And then another one. And then another one. And nothing will change.

That is one option. Or, at this moment, in this election, we can come together and say, “Not this time.” This time we want to talk about the crumbling schools that are stealing the future of black children and white children and Asian children and Hispanic children and Native American children. This time we want to reject the cynicism that tells us that these kids can’t learn; that those kids who don’t look like us are somebody else’s problem. The children of America are not those kids, they are our kids, and we will not let them fall behind in a 21st century economy. Not this time.

This time we want to talk about how the lines in the Emergency Room are filled with whites and blacks and Hispanics who do not have health care; who don’t have the power on their own to overcome the special interests in Washington, but who can take them on if we do it together.

This time we want to talk about the shuttered mills that once provided a decent life for men and women of every race, and the homes for sale that once belonged to Americans from every religion, every region, every walk of life. This time we want to talk about the fact that the real problem is not that someone who doesn’t look like you might take your job; it’s that the corporation you work for will ship it overseas for nothing more than a profit.

This time we want to talk about the men and women of every color and creed who serve together, and fight together, and bleed together under the same proud flag. We want to talk about how to bring them home from a war that never should’ve been authorized and never should’ve been waged, and we want to talk about how we’ll show our patriotism by caring for them, and their families, and giving them the benefits they have earned.

I would not be running for President if I didn’t believe with all my heart that this is what the vast majority of Americans want for this country. This union may never be perfect, but generation after generation has shown that it can always be perfected. And today, whenever I find myself feeling doubtful or cynical about this possibility, what gives me the most hope is the next generation – the young people whose attitudes and beliefs and openness to change have already made history in this election.

There is one story in particularly that I’d like to leave you with today – a story I told when I had the great honor of speaking on Dr. King’s birthday at his home church, Ebenezer Baptist, in Atlanta.

There is a young, twenty-three year old white woman named Ashley Baia who organized for our campaign in Florence, South Carolina. She had been working to organize a mostly African-American community since the beginning of this campaign, and one day she was at a roundtable discussion where everyone went around telling their story and why they were there.

And Ashley said that when she was nine years old, her mother got cancer. And because she had to miss days of work, she was let go and lost her health care. They had to file for bankruptcy, and that’s when Ashley decided that she had to do something to help her mom.

She knew that food was one of their most expensive costs, and so Ashley convinced her mother that what she really liked and really wanted to eat more than anything else was mustard and relish sandwiches. Because that was the cheapest way to eat.

She did this for a year until her mom got better, and she told everyone at the roundtable that the reason she joined our campaign was so that she could help the millions of other children in the country who want and need to help their parents too.

Now Ashley might have made a different choice. Perhaps somebody told her along the way that the source of her mother’s problems were blacks who were on welfare and too lazy to work, or Hispanics who were coming into the country illegally. But she didn’t. She sought out allies in her fight against injustice.

Anyway, Ashley finishes her story and then goes around the room and asks everyone else why they’re supporting the campaign. They all have different stories and reasons. Many bring up a specific issue. And finally they come to this elderly black man who’s been sitting there quietly the entire time. And Ashley asks him why he’s there. And he does not bring up a specific issue. He does not say health care or the economy. He does not say education or the war. He does not say that he was there because of Barack Obama. He simply says to everyone in the room, “I am here because of Ashley.”

“I’m here because of Ashley.” By itself, that single moment of recognition between that young white girl and that old black man is not enough. It is not enough to give health care to the sick, or jobs to the jobless, or education to our children.

But it is where we start. It is where our union grows stronger. And as so many generations have come to realize over the course of the two-hundred and twenty one years since a band of patriots signed that document in Philadelphia, that is where the perfection begins.

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Amanda Carpenter is the author of “The Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy's Dossier on Hillary Clinton,” published in October 2006.
 
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Plumber -
I apologize. In fact, things were so much better in 1960 that the Civil Rights movement was totally unnecessary. No need for Voting Rights Acts or calling out of National Guardsmen to enforce federal laws...none of that needed to happen, because race relations had been on an upward trajectory ever since 1865.

But I will agree with you on the fact that race relations have not remained static. Someone who takes two steps forward and 1.5 steps back can certainly claim that movement has been made; but it would be equally valid to claim that they have not gained much either. But of course, you'll explain just how much things had improved...

Goodbye, Obama
I think Obama just insured that he will either lose the Democratic nomination or, if he does get it, will lose the presidential election. McCain will have him for lunch on the race isue. Obama (and many blacks) are operating from a standpoint that simply is not, and will not, be shared by many (I think, most) white Americans.

Many blacks (and I'm basing my comments on what blacks in my field and many black students have said over my years as a teacher) will certainly acknowledge some improvements, but, at bottom, do not believe that whites are ever truly concerned about their well-being in our society. Most blacks I know, if they're willing to speak frankly about their own lives, experience some racist behavior from whites in large ways and small. Are they looking for such behavior from whites? Yes. Do they believe they experience it? Yes.

I think Obama was extremely unwise to do anything more than distance himself from Rev. Wright. He should have simply removed Wright from any connection with his campaign and left it at that. Obama wanted to start the great conversation he and many liberals want white America to engage in on race and racism. That won't happen. Instead, Obama will alienate a huge number of white voters.

Race should NEVER to a church issue
The most Christ-centered churches I've attended have been, for the most part, mixed-race churches (there's a ethnic Korean church in our town that you can FEEL the Holy Spirit in, but that's an exception and I'm betting that if you understood Korean, they'd welcome you if you were white or black, no matter). These churches don't spend a lot of time talking about race because their emphasis is on doing the Lord's work. Race is an identifying feature like hair color rather than a central issue of personality or culture. Programs are about bringing people to the Lord or helping Christians to live a more Christ-centered life. They are not about race and racism rarely comes up. Oh, yes, there's that occasional awkward moment when a white woman pats a Korean child on the head (she meant well, but the child is not a dog) or someone says something without thinking, but even those times are covered in Christian love and the recognition that we're all human and make mistakes. Apologies are sometimes offered. Repeated offenses might result in a private discussion between the offender and the offended. Everybody moves on afterward and remains brothers and sisters in the Lord. Resentments are dealt with rather than nursed, because the goal of the church is not to eliminate racism, but to transcend it. Ethnic groups will always be divergent from one another and this will lead to occasional offense, but it doesn't need to lead to hatred because Christians are here to do the work of the Lord, not to make everybody look and act in a certain way. Spread the gospel and disciple the converts toward being like Christ and racism takes care of itself. Preach race-based faith and racism flourishes, solidifies, and kills the cause of Christ. Simple as that.

Racism denies diversity
I attend a church that does not have a definable racial majority. We're not a white church -- or a Korean,Hispanic, AK Native or black church. We're a Christian church made up of a patchwork of all those races. This was my 1st church and I came back to it because I think it's the sort of church Jesus wants all churches to be. The majority of our members are mixed race or their children are. My children are almost always the minority white kids in any group. It's a very rare church (rarer still among Baptist churches), but it is the face of Christianity as it was meant to be.

If you go to the website of Trinity Church you will find a mission statement that says they are unapologetically a BLACK church. You can go through the various pages and see the programs the church offers -- most very much oriented to BLACK people. The emphasis of the entire "ministry" is on being BLACK. This is not an uncommon thing among ethnic churches, but it is a very unChristian thing.

Uni-racial churches are the face of unmitigated racism in this country. I'm sure there are a few monolithically WHITE churches left, but for the most part, it is the ethnic churches that racially segregate themselves from their fellow Christians. Caucasians have been challenged for more than 40 years so few would still fight to remain segregated. Yet, walk into a BLACK church, like Trinity, and see how welcome you are. I'm betting they'll give you directions to a church "more to your liking".

Electing Barack Obama to the Presidency of the United States will be a great encouragement to racism, not a way to deliver a final blow to it. His church membership for the last 20 years was that of a racial segregationist.

Loyal "Conservative"
The point I was making was one of the few criticisms Barak made of his mentor: The belief that race relations in America have remained static for 200 years.

"it appears that in the 1960's, long after Thoreau, Lincoln, and Mill were dead, and after Truman ceased political activity, that conditions in the U.S. were not much better than they were in 1860."

You do the Reverend proud.

I have to go right now. When I get back, I'll finish answering your comments, as well as ripping Lilly a new one.

Now a spin-free translation.
For those not learned in the language of political double-speak, please allow me to translate this into English:

"Every church is a haven of hate-filled racist bigotry that teaches that people are inferior or superior based upon skin color. Every person is nothing but a racist bigot. Thus why should you be surprised that I, B. Hussein Obama, attend a racist church whose preacher spews the most vile bigorty imaginable, and that I, B. Hussein Obama, am also a hate-filled racist bigot?"

Yeah, now THERE'S someone we all want as our president!

xpressit
Home schooling also started as a result of forced busing.In the early eighties,our backyard fence joined the grammar school campus .My son was in the sixth grade and could not attend our neighborhood school and was to be bused to a school several miles away.

For three years,we sent him to a private school,which was not easy for us,moneywise. We also had to drive him back and forth to school.
It was like a three year sentence for all of us.

He had attended that school since first grade,but had to change schools because of integration.That neighborhood is fully integrated now,but the forced busing continues.

I resented that period,as it was a sentence a liberal judge seventy five miles away ,put on us,and it is still in force.














Bobzmcishl
Move on at your leisure, don't let me deter you. But Obama's speech was the result of self-destruction. At least he cannot blame this one on the racists in Hillary Clintons campaign. He should have excelled at it, since it was damage control. I mean if you cannot do that well, you have no business running for president. Considering he holds out his campaign as his an example of his leadership, the whole thing says more about him than it does about us as a country -- he is lecturing -- and his judgment.

Oh well, "move on", next the left will be whining about the urgent economy etc, when the Senate set no records taking care of business as it is. But I digress, it’s a campaign year, what can we really expect?


Bobzmcishl
Issues? What are those? Is that some kind of new, fancy shoe I haven't heard of yet? I just figured out what Uggz are, you're going to have slow down a little for me.

Bobzmcishl
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, is it not?

Shooting the moon
I just love it to hear liberals have to to define, or frame, conservatism. BTW: there are still sealed files about King.

Lilly:
This is the problem I have when liberals attribute the motive to events.

"The homeschooling movement blossomed. Both were ploys to avoid having white kids in integrated schools."

Homeschooling really "blossomed" in more recent years, not spcifically a racial thing. Lots of it has to do with liberal policies.

Like we get a lecture today on a presidential candidate on racism because of questions about his ties to radicals, then a liberal lecture on foundation of conservatism. Out of the mouths of liberals comes questionable interpretations of facts.

A beautiful speech - let's move on
Now can we start discussing the meaningful issues instead of all these ridiculous diversions that get in the way of talking about real American priorities instead of talk radio bs.

Plumber
What is the difference between language and grammar? Language begins in the mouths of people. Grammar is a description of language; grammar doesn't invent or begin the language.

Buckley was the "grammar" of the conservative movement; he described what he perceived was happening or was about to happen. He did not invent conservatism. Like language, it began all over the place, in the people. Goldwater didn't invent it either, but was an early political face of the movement.

Southern whites, mostly Democrat at that time, were enraged when federal laws and troops forced racial integration upon them. They fled to white suburbs. They pulled their kids out of public schools and established private "Christian" (segregated) "academies". The homeschooling movement blossomed. Both were ploys to avoid having white kids in integrated schools. Nixon and later Reagan successfully turned furious white Democrats into Republicans (look up "Southern Front" and "Reagan Coalition").

The conservative movement did indeed have many roots in white rage about integration. In fact, just a month or so ago in a doctor's waiting room (long wait) I read an article in either Harper's or Atlantic about a PhD dissertation somebody recently did on 1960's white flight to the Atlanta suburbs as it correlated with racial (anti-integration) attitudes.

I suggest you do some googling. I was an adult throughout those difficult years and am very sure of what I am saying.

Loyal Conservative
Yes, Martin Luther King was "suspected of being under Communist influence". So, in the 1950's and 1960's, was everybody who ever championed racial integration. There are many eyewitness accounts of police being called or FBI notified when a social gathering or university event involved both races because inevitably somebody would assume it was a Communist meeting. Even mixed church services and interracial dating were assumed to be under Communist auspices.

Plumber, cont..
"The Great Society and the New Deal have gone way beyond that. The welfare state created to assuage white liberal guilt destroyed the black community". Who knew that the New Deal was created with blacks in mind, especially considering that the New Deal was proposed by FDR in 1932 in response to the Depression.

But you do inadvertently give a clue as to how the reactionary right thinks. You imply that because something was tried and failed, the best option is to do nothing at all and simply wish the issues away. After all, we whites are fatigued with trying to help, and we have done enough. Perhaps you would also suggest that blacks were doing so much better before the 1960's came along.

So why do I define myself as a conservative? Because I do believe in government that limits its domestic policy to ensuring its citizens equality of opportunity without the need for taxing to enforce an artificial equality of results. Because I believe that an America where minorities have to overcome perceptions based on skin color (in addition to obstacles that we all face in trying to succeed) is not the America idealized in its founding documents. I am a conservative in the mold of MLK and Jack Kemp, who has demonstrated that conservative does not mean reactionary - and that convseratism doesn't have to appeal to our baser insticts, but can actually be compatible with our nobler insticts. I want to see blacks and everyone at large succeed on their own capabilities, because then there will be no justification for a confiscatory tax rate, and a large federal government that can be used by reactionaries on both sides of the political spectrum to impose their views on everyone else.

Waco
If Wright's name was David Koresh the US government would have no problem dealing with him and B.Hussein Obama either. They would both be toast since b.Husseing Obama is Wright's prodigy. Wright's church would lose taxpayer exempt status. I mean I don't feel like paying with my taxes someone who is advocating my white male destruction. Anyway if this guy was white we would have another Waco with black helicopters and swat teams. I mean David Koresh was a man who went jogging in the countryside and played a guitar on the streets of Waco. Hey and these folks raised their own food and took care of their own selves. Are the Koresh followers all out of prison yet?

Well, Maybe Just One More...
novote4obabam:
"he said nothing different then rev.wright did! he only changed the words in a different way,..."

How can you have listened to his whole speech and say the above drivel???? Maybe you slept through:

"But the remarks that have caused this recent firestorm weren’t simply controversial. They weren’t simply a religious leader’s effort to speak out against perceived injustice. Instead, they expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country – a view that sees white racism as endemic, and that elevates what is wrong with America above all that we know is right with America;..."

Wow!

Thanks, Amanda Carpenter and TH, for printing this speech in it's entirety, So I can email it to myself and my friends and save it to show to my children and grandchildren.

The comments about it display what Bill Buckley called "a dichotomy of opinion", and on the whole I have to pity the people who cannot rise above partisanship and feel compelled to attack this speech and the powerful ideas and truths behind it. To refute just one:

Darby:
"Did anyone else notice that "successful people" as a group, a group that includes all ethnic groups, were completely left out of the speech, other than Obama's references to himself?"

Darby, I did read "...What’s remarkable is not how many failed in the face of discrimination, but rather how many men and women overcame the odds; how many were able to make a way out of no way for those like me who would come after them."

It sounds to me like he's talking about successful folk here, doesn't it sound that way to you?


obama speech
phylo, we think for our self, do you? did you really listen to his speech, i heard the whole speech! he said nothing different then rev.wright did! he only changed the words in a different way, he thinks he could fool the people but he just told us what he really is , EVIL! not the so called man for the job of PRESIDENT OF AMERICA! he will destroy AMERICA truely he will!

Plumber -
Maybe my choice of words were inaccurate. It would have been better to say "why (if it were so) would Civil Rights leaders have to turn to Communists for support? There's an old saying "any port in a storm". Well, it appears that in the 1960's, long after Thoreau, Lincoln, and Mill were dead, and after Truman ceased political activity, that conditions in the U.S. were not much better than they were in 1860. So again, name some individuals who in 1960 espoused these same positions. In fact, now that I consider it, MLK himself was once suspected of being under Communist influence. Hmmm, maybe just maybe, the Communist tag is most easily applied to those changes we disagree with.

"The only thing anybody is entitled to in this country is the liberty guaranteed by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Blacks, or anybody else, aren't entitled to be liked, just tolerated". A perfect example of a non sequitur, but I'll respond anyway. The entitlements you listed above were all blacks wanted. Who said anything about being liked? But as an aside, again we have those who claim that we should be defined by our actions as individuals using group labeling to define members of a certain group. So how does this make you any different from Jeremiah Wright?

WAY Down South
Do you at least acknowledge the "Southern Strategy" on the part of some Republican strategists for over 30 years did attract a segment of disgruntled working class white voters to the GOP?

naleckid
My Pleasure! Anytime.

lilly
I consider myself a conservative. I trace my conservative roots to the Greeks over two thousand years ago.

More recently to John Locke, Thomas Jefferson, and F.A. Hayek.

The modern conservative movement started with William F Buckley Jr and Barry Goldwater.

You're an idiot.

WAY Down South
Thank you kindly; that what comes from participating in these late night ad-hoc debates. For a want to deliver a message, you stop paying attention to the delivery itself.

naleckid
"And Billy dear can sure warm his way into a smallest opening."

Please permit me the liberty of suggesting a one letter substitution to your post. I would change warm to worm.

To lilly
Google "liberal fascism" yourself. For that matter Google anything and anything; and that is what you'll get - anything.
B-b-bama's speach was just plain dumb. What do you think Bill Clinton is doing right at this moment? Calling all those superdelegates, one at a time, telling them that the dorky kid on top of getting a good portion of the independents recoilling in horror from the Demo party, has just managed to alienate a good part of Reagan Democrats; all this without a single Republican having to lift a finger. B-b is simply overeducated - as liberal "education" goes - unseasoned hack of black liberation theology, without an ounce of common sense. 'Do they (the supers) really want to risk what was an almost sure thing return to the White House on this bumbling, empty vessel of vapidity and poor judgement'?
And for the first time this message WILL resonate. And Billy dear can sure warm his way into a smallest openning.

lilly
"the roots of the conservative movement lie in resentment over forced racial integration."

Sure lilly. "forced racial integration" certainly provides insight as to why I, and other Reagan Conservatives here at TH are, well, Reagan Conservatives.

George Wallace must have been our hero. Ya think?

lilly
Great posts, as usual.

To naleckid
Google "Southern Front" and "Reagan Coalition" for an education. What Obama said is historically accurate: the roots of the conservative movement lie in resentment over forced racial integration. While you're at it, look up how homeschooling and all those private Christian academies happened to be established.

wanda gag
So swoon at his sight and vote for this person "of uncommon honesty, eloquence, and courage."

My gut wasn't wrenching but I was gagging!

Follow your false prophet.

Wanda Gag
I agree with you. Obama's position this morning reminded me of Martin Luther (not King---the original one) saying, when he began the Protestant Reformation, "Here I stand. God help me. I can do no other."

Teleprompter
Just now Frank Luntz (political consultant) is on with Sean Hannity. Luntz is criticizing Obama for using a teleprompter this morning. Obama wrote the speech himself and is reported to have finished it at 2 this morning. He went on the air about 10 AM. I wonder if he was expected to memorize the speech in the meantime.

It doesn't matter WHAT Obama does, the right wing is going to criticize him.


What is Obama's church?
I have been attending Christian Churches for nearly 50 years. I have never heard a priest or pastor say such things. If I had I never would have entered the doors of that church again. What kind of a church teaches such things? According to this church that uses Christ's name "Who is Jesus?"

Honesty!
I did not expect Obama to confront the issues of race in America head-on, but that's exactly what he did, with uncommon honesty, eloquence, and courage. He gave pundits plenty of ammunition (they will cut and paste several statements to disqualify him, especially the lines "I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community," and "I can no more disown him than I can disown my white grandmother"), but even if he loses the nomination he will stand tall. The gut-wrenching honesty of this speech is a rare and possibly unprecedented thing from the lips of an American politician running for office.

obama man and his speech of lies
svl, so true we got to vote eighter for hillary or mccain, can not let (don't know how to tell the truth or really afraid to man) get to be president of AMERICA! that will be the true down fall of our country!!!!!!!!!!! his change is not for the good but for the EVIL that will destroy us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

obama so called speech!
come people , i was not around when slavery was here, my parents weren't around, my grandparents weren't around, we had nothing to do with salvery, yet we are blamed for it! the blacks have to quite blaming us and blame their self for the mess they get into, not us!the hate AMERICA speech well he does believe what wright believes, don't let that scum fool you all! the blacks should stop useing that racist card, that is getting sooooooooooooooo dam boring! they got to try to help their self, why do we have to? but anyways, you know what obama really is, MUSLIM!

Amazing
It's amazing how reasonable the rhetoric becomes when people actually read Obama's words, rather than just go by the distortions of Hannity and Limabaugh.

Think for yourselves!

Phylo out.

obama so called speech!
right on,lula may. it just showed me that he really does think the way rev. wright thinks. the speech was a mess, it didn't prove anything, except he is a down right lier!

obama so called speech!
right on,lula may. it just showed me that he really does think the way rev. wright thinks. the speech was a mess, it didn't prove anything, except he is a down right lier!

Black Separatist Church

Lets all pretend the reverend never made those offensive statements.
What is Obama's political message ? Unity, One America right?
Yet in his own personal life and the life of his family he has chosen the opposite.
He tells you to follow the message of unity. But he has rejected that path for himself and his family.
The people who support this guy are all idiots.

Still a problem with this concept, eh?
LC:

You don't have to prove anything to me. Honesty is the best policy in all cases, especially when you're trying to make and/or prove a point. Being evasive just lessens the power of your argument. But again, since you appear to follow in the path of Obama, the maneuver probably comes natural to you. For reference, see any of the dozens of articles concerning his affiliations with Reverend Wrong and Tony Rezko. Or simply his inability to move past the hope and change rhetoric and get to the point about the issues and exactly where he stands concerning them.

And what he did to his grandmother's memory is H-O-R-R-I-B-L-E, no matter how you want to spin it. ESPECIALLY since he did it to save his own sorry behind, which is completely and utterly selfish, immoral and outright wrong. Attempting to prove a point at the expense of someone who can't refute it is a sin. ESPECIALLY if that someone is your own loving flesh and blood, and someone who helped you become what you are today by feeding and nurturing you, and allowing you the chance to live in a country that grants us the greatest of freedoms and the opportunity to achieve your full potential. End of story.

As in all things, God will be the one who judges this lapse of moral judgement in the end, not you or I. I wasn't there, and I did not know his grandmother, nor did you. But I know moral right from wrong. I simply want to point it out to all my fellow Americans who are attempting to make a rational decision regarding the upcoming election. We face dire times, and need to be as knowledgeable as we can be in all matters concerning our great nation.

Especially as to the moral fiber of the person we elect to lead it.

Again, look out for that bus, LC...

Loyal "Conservative"
"But I pose the question again: where was the support from the majority of Americans that would have rendered Communist support unncessary?"

That's a cute trick. What makes you think communist support was necessary? Was Abe Lincoln a communist? Was Harry Truman a communist? J.S. Mill? H.D. Thoreau?

The only thing anybody is entitled to in this country is the liberty guaranteed by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Blacks, or anybody else, aren't entitled to be liked, just tolerated.

The Great Society and the New Deal have gone way beyond that. The welfare state created to assuage white liberal guilt destroyed the black community.

"Of course I have to prove my political affiliation to you, don't I?"

I think it is obvious to everybody what you're affiliation is.

Great speech
Mr.Obama, I must give you great credit for this speech. Outstanding to say the least.

Silver Tongue
Barrack sure has a Silver Tongue, Remember what is the last word in this saying....Devil! Exactly what i see when i read this speech. If Americans fall for this they are Sheep waiting for the slaughter! Im not buying it one little bit! This is so much BS i could hardly get through it!!! He is telling people what they want to hear plain and simple! Sorry Barrack your just a Bigot in sheeps clothing!! Your Pastor is The Black Panthers wrapped up in a new Package!!

"Reagan Democrats"
" Anger over welfare and affirmative action helped forge the Reagan Coalition" - So, basically all Reagan Democrats were/are racist? Obama just told them the only reason they went for Reagan was because they were/are racist; now, they might not know they are racist - since they are stupid as well as racist, but here is Dr Obama, smartly telling them what's what.

SVL...
Of course I have to prove my political affiliation to you, don't I? And the point still remains that you were not there, and Obama was. I would dare say that Obama is in a better position to know what his grandmother stated than you are.

And perhaps revealing his grandmother's views proves his point. He still spoke glowingly of her, even with the views she apparently held. And I would guess that every one of us have relatives whose views are not necessarily in line with ours. But you don't disown them outright either.

Richard...
my mentioning of your use of the words they, them and other words used to indicate plural subjects was not race baiting...but I suppose when a knife is thrown in the dark, the one who is hit screams the loudest.

What I was mentioning was that if individuals are responsible for their own actions, then you cannot subsequently in the same post lump them into a group when attempting to define how aand what these individuals think. Additionally, you completely missed the point I was trying to make with the questions regarding the Marxist - and that is: why weer the capitalists mot battling for the hearts and minds? Why was a "lifelong Republican" (although I would question that assertion) like King the target of a smear campaign? Do you think that the Civil Rights movement sought communists out, or did they go to the commies when there was no support given by any other group?

And again, there is the "guilt by association" implied in your post, which suggests: Communism is bad. Therefore whatever Communists support is bad. The Communists supported the Civil Rights movement. Therefore, the goals of the Civil Rights movement must be bad, otherwise the Commies wouldn't be supporting it. But I pose the question again: where was the support from the majority of Americans that would have rendered Communist support unncessary?

OWright Barack
First he declared he never heard any of those remarks before, but today he backed off and parses it "did I hear things I disagreed with? Yea". And yea, now that we already heard of one media operative who saw Obam there last July when the firebrand was in full plume at the pulpit. He nodded rather than left, then; but just told us Wright's comments were new to him. Today now he ventures into the vagueness of "IS"isms, parsing it in a variety of ways. He made sure to draw a parallel with Geraldine Ferraro, which is not even close -- trying to infer it’s the same thing. Ever see what happened to David Duke, for pete's sake?

Ignorance is bliss PART 2
I wouldn't do that TO ANYONE (not even you, LC) who didn't have the ability to refute my words, but ESPECIALLY my own loving family. She's dead, LC, and should command more respect from her own grandson, instead of being used as a tool to try and get himself out of a jam relating to an affiliation with a racist, America hating "man" (and I use the term oh so loosely) like Reverend Wrong (a much closer to reality name, wouldn't you agree).

I didn't have a problem with Obama in any way (other then his political stance, or lack thereof), before he threw his own Grandma under the bus to save his own sorry behind. But he lost any and all respect I had for him by using such deplorable tactics.

Is that truly the kind of man you want as your leader? If so, then be prepared to be the next one sacrificed.

And for Heaven's sake, stay away from bus stops...

Ignorance is bliss, eh LC?
LC:

The cowardly accusation is about hiding your true political affiliation (which I notice you didn't try to deny), not your given name. Try to keep up, will you?

Here's what I do know. The statements I made-

(Her own daughter married a black man, and she took her mixed race grandson in and helped raise and nurture him. She didn't disown her daughter for either matter, which would more likely be the case if she was a "didn't know any better older generation" racist, especially way back when these supposed comments were allegedly made. No, it appears to be just the opposite)

make a world of sense, at least to those of us with rational thought and a knowledge of past history and the climate of the country in those times.

And I also know at least one other thing- even if I was running for president of the universe, I would NEVER soil my grandmothers good name in a vain attempt to save my own hide and get out of a fix I put myself into. Even if she did say those types of things, I WOULD NEVER disclose them, because she is MY GRANDMOTHER, and I owe my very existence to her. Not to mention in Obama's case (which he admits) she was a nurturing and loving grandmother who helped raise him and gave him the opportunity to be where he is today.

TO BE CONTINUED BELOW-

LC
You display your ignorance. It is a well established historical fact. The Communists infiltrated every group in America that they could which was in the process of protesting or trying to change American society and infected them with their class warfare ideology and the belief the all of Western Culture was by nature oppressive and imperialistic. Listen closely to the words of Reverand Wright. It could easily be picked up and dropped into some 1960s antiwar rally sponsored by the SDS or the Black Panthers. Listen to the rhetoric that comes from Sharpton and Jackson. The men held up by the Democratic Party, the MSM, academia etc.. as the undisputed leaders of the black community.

As far as your race baiting on the use of the words they and them it is fallacious. You are trying to paint anyone who disagrees with you as a racists. I am not the one who created the concept of lumping people into groups by their ethnicity that was the left, your group that you are pretending not to be a part of.

Jackson and Sharpton are creations of the movement as much as they are the creators. If it had not been them some other charlatans would have rose up to play the same roles. They represent a movement that has gone astray from it's original intent and has languished in corruption for decades. King was a Life long Republican. I firmly believe that had he lived the conservative (real) wing of the black civil rights movement would have branched off in opposition. Instead it was murdered right along with him by the elites.

Before Barack
comes to lecture America on race, he could have practiced a little bit.... closer to home.

Richard
I think every time I have ever heard Obama speak he has acknowledged that only in America would his story be possible. What makes you think he hasn't given sufficient credit to, as you so modestly put the matter, the many white people who have sacrificed themselves for him? What, exactly, do you want from him? He has made use of opportunity and he didn't just take the money and run---he certainly could have had a glittering career in corporate law instead of choosing public service and he wouldn't be getting grief from some of the trash on townhall.

If I were a black American whose ancestors had been captured in Africa, chained to the floor of a ship, forcibly brought to these shores, and kept in bondage for 150 years while being held to forced labor (while meanwhile families were separated and women were routinely violated), then were liberated after the Civil War was fought, here is what I believe I would think:

1) It was nice of white Northerners to fight for my liberation.
2) But it absolutely stank that white Southerners fought, just as hard, to keep my folks in chains.

Richard part II
"You will never see the problem until you are willing to concede that it's up to individuals to take responsibility for their own lives". A very interesting quote. I would almost believe that you trumpet the power of individualism...except every other line in that particular post contains a "they", "them", etc. The same posters who speak words of self-reliant individualism are those who don't mind group labeling when it supports their position.

Here's a question...if Sharpton and Jackson are such nutjobs (and I myself don't subscribe to their theories at all) then why do many posters here give them so much airplay? Many of you here blame Jackson and Sharpton for the current sentiments about race, which is somewhat ironic because I don't think that blacks as individuals give Jackson and Sharpton that much credence. But suppose there were no jackson and Sharpton lightning rods. How would you feel any differently than you do now?

An anonymous coward?
Yeah, the SVL nom de plume certainly makes it easy to identify you. So how do you know that she did not say what Obama claims she said? Were you there? Did you know Grandma? The honest truth is you don't know either way.

Richard - so the Civil Rights movement got the biggest dose of Marxist ideology? Perhaps you would care to share how Marxists were able to get in the forefront of the Civil Rights movement. Where were all of the capitalists? Where were all of the folks who believed in the Great American Experiment called democracy? Where were those who stated "the Civil Rights movement does not have to seek succor in the arms of Marxism because democracy and capitalism are perfectly compatible with it? The suprise is not that MLK had a dream; it's that he persisted in his belief despite having very little evidence for such a belief.

And you say the country has "bent over backwards" for forty years to accomodate the guilt. And for how long prior to that had the coountry gone out of its way to be unaccomodating?

Way Down South
No, it isn't. Obama is wise enough to understand that the mature person doesn't divide the world into All Good and All Bad, but accepts that life is a mixture of good and bad. It's not about a piano playing just high notes or low notes---it's about playing chords. He cares for both his pastor and his Grandma, and both have cared for him. If black Wright makes racist comments, so white did Grandma. Obama is saying, "I look with my eyes open and I see both good and bad, and I have the courage to keep on looking."

The speech was magnificent. It will be collected in books of great speeches. BTW, for those who still want to call Obama a puppet-empty-suit-know-nothing who has nothing going for him but his race, he wrote the speech himself.

The Audacity of Half Truths PART 2
But Obama knows using her alleged "statements" in this context might just help him crawl out from under the dung heap he's buried himself under at the moment.

And before you jump back in with a "Barack would never lie" claim, let's look at the facts, in regard to his "honesty", shall we?

Until forced, he hemmed and hawed about not only the depth of his relationship with Tony Rezko, which he is now FINALLY "beginning" to admit to, but also about what he heard Wright say and when he heard him say it. And on both counts, I guarantee we still haven't heard the full truth about his associations with either man.

I agree with the statements above, and believe you, LC, to be an Obama supporter lurking here under the guise of a true conservative. I believe in freedom of speech, but not from someone who has to disguise him or herself to get their "point" across. Though I guess as an Obama supporter, you're learning that particular trait from the master.

Be a man (or woman) and be yourself, not an anonymous coward posing as something they are obviously not. We would all have a lot more respect for you, and might actually listen to your opinions even though they greatly differ from ours.

"The Audacity of Half Truths"
Loyal "Conservative":

How did he throw his grandmother under the bus? Let me answer in the simplest way possible first-

SHE'S NO LONGER HERE TO DEFEND HERSELF AGAINST THE STATEMENTS HE "ALLEGES" SHE SAID!

It's a complete insult to the memory of someone he "supposedly" holds so dear. And how do we know she ever said anything like his accusations proclaim? How do we know she wasn't a great supporter of the black race and their right to equality? Her own daughter married a black man, and she took her mixed race grandson in and helped raise and nurture him. She didn't disown her daughter for either matter, which would more likely be the case if she was an "didn't know any better older generation" racist, especially way back when these supposed comments were allegedly made. No, it appears to be just the opposite.

Ask yourself truthfully, does that really sound like a bigot or a racist?

No, it sounds like a decent human being, with great love in her heart. Not a raving, racist divider like dear old "Uncle" Wright.

TO BE CONTINUED BELOW-

Doing unto others...
My greatest grief with Sen. Obama (or for that matter effectively all other politicians) is who is tasked to do unto others. Christians were the ones tasked, not GOVERNMENT. In the Holy week we should be reminded it was government which put Christ on the cross, and bled him until he was dead. Christians who model the life of their risen Lord should be clothing the naked, feeding and sheltering the homeless, ministering to the imprisoned, providing care to the sick, and teaching the hungry to fish (ie, provide for their families and themselves). Governments' function (certainly at the federal and state) is the defense of the nation and the imprisoning and punishment of the criminal. The founders 221 years ago understood this relationship between the Church and the state. The founders were incorrect in their understanding of the equality of man in God's eyes. Rev. Wright seems to understand much of the correct relationship of man to his state: "He is a man who served his country as a U.S. Marine; who has studied and lectured at some of the finest universities and seminaries in the country, and who for over thirty years led a church that serves the community by doing God’s work here on Earth – by housing the homeless, ministering to the needy, providing day care services and scholarships and prison ministries, and reaching out to those suffering from HIV/AIDS." When we as a nation turn to the state to provide the ministries defined to Christians, the dynamism which is the body of Christ, withers away and our collective soul dies. Let's find and support candidates who understand and implement this truism. I'm convinced Sen. Obama reads and acts on some other motivation than Christianity's do unto others ministry dictum.

Boom there it is
“Raises an issue that …we cannot afford to ignore right now”, says Obama.

Well, yea, hello. One big one is we have been brow-beaten to the point of submission about political correctness. His campaign evidently looked for any racial association they could find, with in the race, to point out in his opponents. Clintons and Ferraro where target opportunities. The Bradley effect is mentioned. (i.e white guilt has some roll – but does it trump ingrained prejudice?) Some Obama supporters on the blogshere did the same, make any association to point it out. This while a guy preached those racially reckless remarks from the pulpit.

Now I don’t just blame team Obama, for making those an issue, but the wider issue ingrained in “most of us” is to be sensitive and politically correct at all times with matters of race. Al Sharpton and others carry that message to assure we are. And policing agents are out there to guarantee it. But then we hear racially charged talk like this preached. Okay, but where is its justification? (It needs none) Where is the rule that says that is not only acceptable, but also desperately necessary?


“to simplify, and stereotype, and amplify the negative to the point that it distorts reality.”

I had the same view much of political correctness we’re lectured about. (Often by the left) It has an effect too, to shut people down from the negative mention of certain things. Meanwhile from the liberal left its okay to have gay agendas rammed down our throats or accept sexually loaded parades stretched to the limits of imagination and degrading art, as symbolism about making some statement.
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If Hillary's campaign had a kitchen-sink strategy, this was the kitchen-sink speech, disposal and all. (half campaigning) Still looking for those applause lines.

LC con't
The problem is that our society is infected with the Marxist ideology that has sought to destroy it. And the so called Civl Rights movement got the biggest dose of it and created it's own version of the ideology which could be labeled the "Everybody Else Owes Me Something" ideology. And it is relevant that they ignore the Civil War and all the other sacrifices and efforts of the whites because to do so would undermine the ideology. This movement is lead by people who derive their power from making groups of people believe that they are powerless over their own lives and that the only way they can get theirs is by banding together under guys like Jackson and Sharpton to do nothing but complain and demand. Tell me what Jackson and Sharpton have ever achieved for any individual that was productive and did anything to end the racial divide. Actually I can give you the answer: NOTHING. They don't want the racial divide to end because if they did that would be the end to their power and source of income. Name for me all the people who Jessie Jackson sent checks to after he got his big settlement out of Denny's and Shoney's (Well, someone besides his white mistress).

LC, you are clueless just like Obama. You will never see the problem until you are willing to concede that it's up to individuals to take responsibility for their own lives.

LC con't
The problem is that our society is infected with the Marxist ideology that has sought to destroy it. And the so called Civl Rights movement got the biggest dose of it and created it's own version of the ideology which could be labeled the "Everybody Else Owes Me Something" ideology. And it is relevant that they ignore the Civil War and all the other sacrifices and efforts of the whites because to do so would undermine the ideology. This movement is lead by people who derive their power from making groups of people believe that they are powerless over their own lives and that the only way they can get theirs is by banding together under guys like Jackson and Sharpton to do nothing but complain and demand. Tell me what Jackson and Sharpton have ever achieved for any individual that was productive and did anything to end the racial divide. Actually I can give you the answer: NOTHING. They don't want the racial divide to end because if they did that would be the end to their power and source of income. Name for me all the people who Jessie Jackson sent checks to after he got his big settlement out of Denny's and Shoney's (Well, someone besides his white mistress).

LC, you are clueless just like Obama. You will never see the problem until you are willing to concede that it's up to individuals to take responsibility for their own lives.

LC
I suspect you aren't really a conservative or you would not be lecturing me about how I should feel guilty for the past. You missed the point which is normal for the white guy with the guilt complex about this issue. The point is that, yes, people have been wronged in the past, people are being wronged right now and will be wronged in the future but it does not matter. Each of us has to take responsibility for our own lives. No one is going to achieve anything in life if their whole focus is on how they or their ancestors were screwed over.

For over forty years now this country has been bent over backwards to accomodate the guilt it feels over the treatment one group of people. Affirmative action, welfare, bussing, etc... and yet this group has gone from being one the most productive, conservative communities in America to one that defines every social problem. They lead in every statistic of what is wrong from illegitimate births, colleges test scores, poverty, abortions etc... And what is the reply to this: Not enough has been done for them. It's all whitey's fault.


Love Thy Neighbor
Togetherness
I really appreciate the fact Obama is the only candidate that can bring us all together.
But before he starts on the rest of us.
I'd like to offer a little advise. Obama have you ever heard the saying charity begins at home?
Before you start with the whole U.S. population perhaps you could have that discussion with your wife and pastor. I don't know how hard you have tried to explain that we all need to just love each other ? When you get those two to love thy neighbors I'll have to admit you're a miracle worker.
So like I said charity begins at home.




obama speech
look its real simple once again. i dont care what speech obama gave today. what he was really trying to say was "excuse the way black people talk about the world and white people because we are mad at you all still and we are not getting over it"!! what he is asking the world to do is excuse the way they talk about us and how they feel about us just long enough for hin to get into the white house and then they can go back to the hate they feel towards us and the world..im sorry he has to go!! his polls are now down 5 pts and will continue to drop as the people in this world are not going to do that for him..he using his words once again just to make it in the white house and then once he gets in its ok for all black people to hate whites and the world all over again!! dont vote for this liar!!

TH's Smart Move
Making hottie Amanda Carpenter the bearer of bad news.

Sorry Amanda, nothing personal, one star.

Sorry I don't buy it.
In his first book he made remarks about meetings with his pastor where no crackers were allowed. That, to me, says he's of a mind with his pastor and spiritual adviser as he should be. If he's not then he's a hypocrite and a poor liar. If he is a hypocrite then he shouldn't be running for president. If he's not a hypocrite then he should be honest about who he represents and that's a very small percentage of the black community that ascribe to the black liberation philosophy that all white people are evil and every thing bad in their lives is a result of slavery (never mind it ended a century and a half ago) and that whitey should pay for that imagined wrong and keep paying apparently for all eternity since evidently skin color is the sole criteria for admittance into heaven.

On and on
So we get a lecture about race and a side note on the Declaration of Independence (which many intellectual-liberals consider obsolete post constitution) We'll have to consider source and motivation, like liberals regularly do.

Nothing New
The speech was basically a left-wing screed that happened to be accompanied by somewhat useful rhetoric about race relations in America. Bottom line: Statism is the answer to all of our problems.

This speech should be answered by a respected African American conservative, like J. C. Watts. The speech should stipulate that many of the points Obama made ring true, but the answer to the problems he cites lies in preserving our form of government and economic system, not in overthrowing them as he and other left-wingers propose.

Did anyone else notice that "successful people" as a group, a group that includes all ethnic groups, were completely left out of the speech, other than Obama's references to himself?

Loyal "Conservative"
"So who would have more influence over how Obama thinks: a spiritual advisor who he met later in life, or his grandmother who raised him?"

So as a result of his grandmother's tutelage, adult Barak chose to join a black nationalist church with an America-hating bigot as a pastor.

Pity the poor black
All past is the sum of its worst events. Would reparations shut these fools up? or, Do we HAVE to elect Barak to finally get black Americans "over" slavery.

Fer G*d's sake! Some of my ancestors are American Indians. They were forced from Tennessee to Oklahoma. These actions didn't affect me, and I don't know anybody who took part in them. I don't blame anybody alive, and I certainly don't dwell on it. I've gone to several pow wows and I've never heard the words "white man" from any person in either tribe (Ponca and Chickasaw).

It is the "reservation" Indians who disgrace the American Indian community. The Rev Wright, Barak, and the Unity Church are "reservation" blacks.

The fact that Barak is a socialist, and socialism is slavery (ironic, huh?), disqualifies him my vote. This speech sealed the deal.

Senator Obama, join the 21st Century.


Loyal “Conservative,”
Why do you think B. Hussein allowed such a racially divisive person to work on his campaign staff and why do you think he did not address this question in his speech?


It's good to know
that TH is a conservative website. Otherwise, I'd be concerned over the number of posters who didn't think highly of Obama's speech.

SVL, how is he throwing his grandmother under the bus? Here you have a blood relative, whom you say loves him deeply, yet apparently could not or would not restrain herself from making racially charged statements in front of her own grandson - who just so happened to be from the race said statements were directed towards. One study (and I cannot recall which) stated that 50% of our emotional development and view of the world is formed by age 5, 95% by age 18. So who would have more influence over how Obama thinks: a spiritual advisor who he met later in life, or his grandmother who raised him?

And Richard - imagine going to a doctor with pancreatic cancer. Certainly, it would be good to know that everything else is OK, but to make you whole, the doctor has to go after what's wrong. Relying on the defense that whites died in the Civil War as proof of the innate goodness in America would be parallel to someone stating the whites started the Civil War to defend slavery (among other things) and offering that position as proof of America's innate evil.

"The problem is in the failure of minorities to recognize what has been done or attempted for them by whites and their persistence in blaming whites for their problems". Well! Once minorities understand how grateful they should be to whites, then maybe the problem would be solved.

One final point: many whites (myself included) often state that our generation did not own slaves, as if this recuses us from being part of the solution. But I would also posit that none of this generation died in the Civil War, only a few of us advocated for laws to address any of the racial issues, and far too few of us stood shoulder to shoulder so that the vision of a more perfect union can be realized.

Why Was He On Your Campaign Staff?
“As such, Reverend Wright’s comments were not only wrong but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity; racially charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems”

You no doubt want us all to believe that you are being sincere. I am however confused about one thing in particular.

Even if you could not disown him,

Why would you allow such a divisive person to work on your campaign staff at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems?

As I predicted, you did not address this question. And, I do not think you that you ever will.

I can only come to one of two conclusions. Either you have shown really bad judgment by allowing him to be on your staff or you really do know what he has said, and you agree.

Either way, you are not fit to be President.


A political opportunist extraordinaire
No sale!
Still disingenuous,but most important of all still lacks good judgment,and has been a liar in the past.No reason for me to believe him now either.

Disappointment
At this point in time I find his effort disappointing. I think he does recognize where a lot of the problem is. He does express a vague understanding of where people are coming from in their views on these issues but he did nothing to disabuse people of there narrow views and their beliefs in paranoid conspiracy theories.

What is also lacking is any real tribute to the efforts and sacrifices that whites have made to redeem our nation. What of the thousands who died grusome deaths in the Civil War to preserve the union and to free the slaves? What about the white southerners who sacrificed their standing in white society to support the blacks in their struggle for their civil liberties? What about the white northerners who went to the South to assist in the struggle, the ones who were assasinated, jailed, and beaten for their actions right along with the blacks?

What about all the attempts to reconcile the problem with laws and programs to try to "equalize" oppurtuntiy? What of the programs instituted by the Roosevelt Administration to ensure that blacks had oppurtunity to work on government contracted projects and in the war industry.

The problem is in the failure of minorities to recognize what has been done or attempted for them by whites and their persistence in blaming whites for their problems. I think Senator Obama needs to take some time off to study the works of Shelby Steele, Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams and other black conservatives to develop a well rounded view of the problem. He might even take some time to hear why his biggest supporter, Oprah Winfrey, is more willing to give money to kids in Africa than to American kids. Maybe then he can clarifiy this confused perception he has of the racial problem. The truth is that with regards to the racial issue is that the ball has been in the court of the blacks for over forty years and they have failed to return with anything productive or acceptable.

Way to throw Grandma under the bus!
A woman that not only helped to raise him, but obviously loved him deeply. He tried to use her alleged statements as a balance for Wright's words of hate (and let's get it right, Barack, those are statements of hate, not just "bitterness"), but there is a great difference between the supposed words of a woman from another era, allegedly spoken in a time when the concepts of equality were a far away dream, and the current hate filled ramblings of a community leader, spoken now, when the world is attempting unity and a path away from such idiocy.

And as to his comments on the language and ideology of the black church- I was raised in a black community (I am white), and attended a Christian church which had a majority of black attendees (my family still attends, but I moved away many years ago). My reverend is black, and a man I admire and love, who I still keep in contact with and who sang at my wedding (he would have officiated, but my wife is Catholic and we were married in a Catholic church) and who attends the majority of our family functions, including my children's baptisms.

NEVER in my 44 years of life have I ever heard these kind of hateful words come out of his, or for that matter, any of the other hundreds of black friends and Christians I have known over the years, mouths. Not on the pulpit, and not in private. To say this is a "standard' in the black church is ridiculous, and just another cover-up for a man who obviously has more skeletons in his closet, aside from his pals Reverend Wright and Tony Rezko.

I'm not a Billary supporter, nor have great faith in McCain. But I would gladly take either over Barack, because I believe his pretty (and more and more seemingly empty) words of hope and change hide something far more sinister. Which is a true shame, because in this dark hour, we American's need hope and change most of all.

What an annoying speech.
“I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother”

It is obscene for B. Hussein Obama to compare his loving grandmother with his anti-Semitic White-Hating Spiritual Adviser and Mentor.

If you want to be President of the United States, you have an obligation to denounce and disown all racists regardless of who they are.

B. Hussein would have been better served by not making this speech.


Cynical ?
I don't appreciate being called
cynical for question why he is only now distancing himself from the pastor.

I have just listened to Barack Obama
deliver his speech. Deft, graceful, literate, ocassionally poetic, searching, unifying, unprecedented.

I have never listened to a more inspiring politician speak ever. This country is ready for Barack Obama. At least I hope we are.

Equal Time
Ok enough is enough. Are the other candidates going to get equal time ?
Cut to the chase.
Yes Obama knew his pastor was a racist pig.
But he is justified through racial history in this country.
What took Obama so long to come out after twenty years to condemn this speech ?
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