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Thursday, September 20, 2007
Amanda Carpenter :: Townhall.com Columnist
Clinton Sides With MoveOn.org in Senate Vote, Obama Ducks
by Amanda Carpenter
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Sen. Hillary Clinton (D.-N.Y.) would not criticize MoveOn.org on the campaign trail for an offensive advertisement the group produced to attack Army Gen. David H. Petraeus, but she sided with the anti-war lobby in a vote on Thursday.

Motivated by the full-page advertisement MoveOn.org published in the New York Times that accused Petraeus of betrayal, the Senate passed a resolution condemning “attacks of honor and integrity” on the general and other members of the Armed Forces.

The advertisement, purchased at a discounted rate, mocked Petraeus’ name as “Betray Us,” suggested he was “cooking the books” for the White House and characterized the general as a “military man constantly at war with the facts” who “will not admit what everyone knows: Iraq is mired in an unwinnable religious civil war.”

Texas Republican Sen. John Cornyn’s “sense of the Senate” resolution passed 72-25.

Preceding the roll call vote on the Senate floor, Minority Leader Sen. Mitch McConnell (R.-Ky.) declared: “Let’s take sides. General Petraeus or MoveOn.org. Which one are we going to believe? Which one are we going to condemn?”

Clinton did not side with Petraeus.

Sen. Barack Obama (D.-Ill.), who is competing with Clinton for the Democratic nomination, did not vote. The full roll call vote is available here. No Republicans voted against it.

In a press conference Thursday morning, President Bush told reporters he thought the advertisement was “disgusting.”

He also spoke candidly about Democrats who were reluctant to criticize MoveOn.org. “That leads me to come to this conclusion: that most Democrats are afraid of irritating a left-wing group like MoveOn.org, or more afraid of irritating them, then they are of irritating the United States military."

"That was a sorry deal,” Bush said.

Cornyn first offered his resolution immediately after the offending advertisement was printed on September 10—the day Petraeus was scheduled to make his first appearance to testify about progress in Iraq. When it was offered, Democratic Majority Whip, Sen. Dick Durbin (Ill.) used a parliamentary move--issued a point of order based on “germaneness”--against the measure to prevent the Senate from voting on it.

[Editor's Note: Minority Whip Roy Blunt (R.-Mo.) is urging his colleagues to follow suit. Please click on the video below to view Blunt's Thursday afternoon floor exchange with Majority Leader Rep. Steny Hoyer (D.-Md.) on the possibility of a similar resolution in the House.]

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Pero Grande
Pero Grande huh?
And how is Mexico these days?
Done any drug smuggling recently?


"Well, you think Kerry is a bum,"


Hanoi john Kerry is not just a bum. This is a guy that is such a traitor, he was even give his own dipslay in the North Vietnamese War museum...as a North Vietnamese war hero..for working full time to smear our troops in an insane attempt to make sure America lost a war. Hanoi John Kerry is beyond contempt.

"and I think Betrayus is a liar, a shill, a con man, a snake oil salesman -"

Yeah?
Hey, isn't there some Al Quaeda supporting garbage you are supposed to be posting at moveon/Kos this morning, and a vile ad you are supposed to be putting in the New York Slimes?
You are wasting your time here, cretin.
And oh, BTW, vermin like you are not even fit to untie the shoe laces of a Princeton PhD, great war hero, great man of intergrity and dignity. and great American lke General Praetus.
Go crawl back into the hole you emerged from.

ganjadude
"you people are retarded"

Nope.
You are going to find the retarded vermin at moveon, Kos, the Democratic Party and the rest of the Al Quaeda foot soldiers of the American loony left.

"over the past 2 weeks everyone in the media has been up in arms over this BS"

Oh rubbish!
The liberal media are so invested in making sure America loses, that far from "being up in arms", the liberal media have risen up in support of this heinous moveon ad.
In fact the New York Times was so in love with this evil moveon ad, that they even gave moveon a MASSIVE discount on their ad.

"did the govt REALLY need to waste time (and we all know time = money) on a resolution to condemn this? "

There was no "wasting of time". Supporting our troops whoa re being murdered by Al Quaeda bombs every day, is goverment business

"nothing REAL gets accomplished"

Funny.
Our soldiers who are under attack from Al Quaeda bombs every day don't think "nothing real" was accomplished when Al Quaeda backing vermin of moveon are taken down.

you people are retarded
There is a difference in "supporting moveon" and not giving it any attention.

over the past 2 weeks everyone in the media has been up in arms over this BS. did the govt REALLY need to waste time (and we all know time = money) on a resolution to condemn this? HELL no we did not. so while everyones got sand in their vagina over who suports moveon and who does not, nothing REAL gets accomplished.

take care of government issues, not over a F**KING ad.

It's fun to watch Hitlary self-destruct
First we had Hitlery getting a big chunk of her campaign contributions from fellow con men and swindlers like Norman Hsu and his criminal pals, then this craven Hitlary kowtow to the Soros funded Al Quaeda foot soldiers at moveon.org.
Keep it coming Hitlery. With Hitlery's super high negatives, and her love of hate groups like Kos ad moveon, the likelihood of a Hitlery presidency is sinking lower by the minute.

bman
it's now official. Missus clinton told the ny daily news that she is not a lesbian. Not that these anything wrong with being one. However I am sure that by the end of the day we will have a statement from bill that he wished she were. Perhaps she might lose that scowl and get a happier disposition

bman
you must have touched a sore point with hal. He has tossed that accusation several times in the past. How does that old saying go, about the truth will set you free, maybe there is a message there for hal

Bman1
Why is it I never see Hal or any of his ilk over in Berts thread? Is it becuase there afraid of what Bert did to Lilly? I can only imagine what that would be like. There battleships would be sunk before a shot was even fired.

GunnyG
"He is retired Army. Invaded Iraq. Wounded in Baghdad. Came back as a contractor like me and doing almost the same job now as he did in the Army?"

Of course he is a mercenary.

"Is HE a mercenary and deserving of your scorn as well?"

Scorn? I don't scorn mercenaries nor do I think they are anything special. Using mercenaries usually indicates the end game of a conflict

Hal
My buddy sitting next to me wants to nkow WHY you never answered my question about HIS service.

Let me restate because I know the drugs mess your brain housing group up.

He is retired Army. Invaded Iraq. Wounded in Baghdad. Came back as a contractor like me and doing almost the same job now as he did in the Army?

Is HE a mercenary and deserving of your scorn as well?

soothsayer
Fools and their money are soon parted. Can't remember who said that phrase, seems right tho'

Bman1
Are you a sexual deviate or a gay guy? All I know is that you seem to obcessed with sex and how large I am LOL

Hal Donahue
Yes we like debate and lots of news, we just wish it were TRUE and not so full of crap like the NYT. I do use it to train puppies,for bird cages, and it is so full of hot air, you can almost light a campfire without a match!

GunnyG
"Try again Hal. Post a REAL link. Like something from a REAL outlet that does have a hundred scandals under it's belt.

We're been waiting three weeks, SURELY you have one by now. "

NYT is a newspaper of record and very credible. FOX you mean? The station that announced that WMDs in Iraq have been found 40+ times LMAO

Not even looking

Hal
The NY Slimes?

The same paper that hired Jayson Blair?

The same paper whose subscription rate has falled about 60% in the last five years or so?

The same newspaper whose stock has slipped to 20.00 a share?

Yep credible link.

Try again Hal. Post a REAL link. Like something from a REAL outlet that does have a hundred scandals under it's belt.

We're been waiting three weeks, SURELY you have one by now.

Hal
Can I borrow that NYT article. I have use the bathroom and I need something to wipe my behind with. See they screwed up and forgot to order toilet paper so now were all out so I figured that NYT article would do just fine. Thanks man
Appreciate that.

RETSSGT
I've also learned to put my soda down before I read some liberal posts as well...I've had to clean my computer screen a couple of times. Which reminds I need to a box of wipes.

Robert
Blow it out your a** blowhard. You're boring us nitwit.

GunnyG
My little mercenary manager, you know I provided a NYT article to document

Max Power
About two weeks ago, Hal made some outrageous claim about US concentration camps, people in them, blah, blah, blah.

When I asked him for a CREDIBLE link, he suddenly found something else to do and skedaddled like Rosie hearing a call for a free food buffet.

Bman1
That is exactly where I provided the camp info from kids

Bman1
Norman Hsu is a walking corpse.

sheepdog
One of the few real newspapers left in the country is the NYT it is a newspaper of record. You may not like debate and LOTS of news but many folks do

bman1
Guess you noticed that Lilly hasn't been on Bert's thread today. I guess she must have taken a hint from the last time she was there.
She didn't feel like getting abused again.
Also told her this morning that if I had a choice of wiping my rearend with TP or the NYT editorial pages ..I'll wipe it with the NYT editorial pages ..It saves toilet paper.

GunnyG
"Max Power busted him out originally and then busted on Hal. I've been picking apart the mook ever since. After my response to him on his medals, Hal split outta here faster than Hitlary Klintoon at a Whitewater Grand Jury session! "

Naughty, naughty little mercenary manager... Wait until I leave to make nasty comments. Did I answer you question?

Max Power
Norman Hsu:

DEAD MAN WALKING! DEAD MAN!

We laugh about that over here and taking bets on when he gets whacked.

Bman1
Nah, he ain't told her yet. He's waiting to go through puberty first.

Bman1
Nah, he ain't told her yet. He's waiting to go through puberty first.

Bman1
LOL!

Max Power busted him out originally and then busted on Hal. I've been picking apart the mook ever since. After my response to him on his medals, Hal split outta here faster than Hitlary Klintoon at a Whitewater Grand Jury session!

Robert
As my father would say, "You're so full of sh*t your eyes are brown."

Credibility? Zero

IQ? Lukewarm

You need to go back to dummycrats underground with the other idiots who can't spell or write a coherent sentence.

Eye am Jon Carry ande iff U don'te due wel en schul, U wel goe two Irak.

Robert, I think your mommy is calling you for dinner.

WE OWNED YOUR A** MOOK!


Robert
when I did that. I was trying to figure out (for my paper) who was going to bite...I was hoping it was you! LOL

Yeah, SUREEEEEEEEEEEE you were. Like Winona Ryder getting busted for shoplifting and she said she was "practicing" for a role.

BTW, BrianR isn't even posting here you mook and I'd LOVE to see you debate him. Go to his blog, please.

They write papers in 5th grade?

Robert
"as for shooting at planes in the No fly...the likely future Mrs. and I were talking about those happy go lucky days.

The flying telephone polls coming up to both of us were just sort of "routine" breakers...and when it happened you got to go drop live bombs on teh SAM site watching the Iraqis already running away from the machinery.

It was quite comical...The poor saps who got picked to fire on our planes would do the deed...and by the time you rolled in on them, all that was left was teh empty places...you could see teh folks running away in all directions...they knew what was coming.

The missiles never even came close..."

You. Are. A. Liar.

Your grammar and spelling are in NO WAY connected to a college grad, the first requirement for an officer.

Ex: "The flying telephone polls"

That should read, "The flying telephone poles."

A REAL pilot would know that. FRAUD.

Hal
"I whine about incompetence with no result. I lived in Cyprus it was and is worth it."

Ahhhhhhhhh, I see. YOU declare it worth it so therefore, IT MUST BE!

Maybe a few million other Americans might not agree with spending millions of our tax dollars to make sure that Cyprus is violence free. I sure as h*ll don't.

GunnyG
"Oh, Cyprus is a success? I wonder how much it's cost US since 1974 but you call that a sucess! But you'll whine about Iraq/Afghan. Amazing."

I whine about incompetence with no result. I lived in Cyprus it was and is worth it

"So you must not be too proud of your career Hal. I mounted my medals, my father's (posthumously), and I have two spots on the wall for my kid's shadow boxes. I even have the wife's awards from a 3 star at MEF as well as her retirement cert mounted."

I am very proud of my military career but I do not need to advertise it. I served my nation well and was extremely lucky to have unbelievable opportunities. If you want a "hero wall" I have no objection but don't expect everyone to do the same.

"I'd bet 100% of the vets here ALSO have their medals mounted or displayed in some way. Maybe you were just in when they were taking anyone with all of their fingers and toes. "

Slight noted but that is their call. I know who I am, what I did and where I served. Like my wife, when the people at work were nearly attacking her for being unpatriotic for saying invading Iraq was incredibly stupid all she did was say don't you EVER call me unpatriotic and slammed her ID card on the desk. They had no clue. We don't need to advertise. Maybe that is the difference between the left and right? We moderates and those on the left can stand alone or together....


Folks
Must run but perhaps later. Be well

Hal
Oh, Cyprus is a success? I wonder how much it's cost US since 1974 but you call that a sucess! But you'll whine about Iraq/Afghan. Amazing.

Also, you posted:

"I am honestly not certain. I had a normal career. My medals are in storage along with most of my other stuff. I would suggest the normal ones for a guy who went in e-1 and retired 0-5 an did a good job."

So you must not be too proud of your career Hal. I mounted my medals, my father's (posthumously), and I have two spots on the wall for my kid's shadow boxes. I even have the wife's awards from a 3 star at MEF as well as her retirement cert mounted.

I'd bet 100% of the vets here ALSO have their medals mounted or displayed in some way. Maybe you were just in when they were taking anyone with all of their fingers and toes.



GunnyG
"And if we got rid of the bums, we'd save money from tracking their spies as well as a few million in traffic fines and accidents in NYC, and best of all, having to pay for the larva of these foreign scum to go to the BEST SCHOOLS in America. The kind OUR kids can't attend (thanks to liberals and their anti-voucher stance.)"

Too many key points LOL. But if you folks do succeed in making the US a second or third world nation like you claim to want to do then we may well want a strong UN?

Max Power
"You will never get an organization like the UN to work for very long. It is made up of people with their own agendas and they all get corrupted in the end.

So I'd rather have nothing. "

You mean like the US Congress? We are human they are human organizations. Why did we creat the UN? Was it an aid in preventing nuclear holocost during the cold war?

Cyprus could be better but could be a lot worse. Both sides seldom shoot at each other and the island is prospering. Success? I would say yes

Max Power
And we'd save about 2 Billion tax dollars a year. Builds a lot of roads and bridges, in the US.

Funny how the world managed to survive w/o the UN for a few millenium.

And if we got rid of the bums, we'd save money from tracking their spies as well as a few million in traffic fines and accidents in NYC, and best of all, having to pay for the larva of these foreign scum to go to the BEST SCHOOLS in America. The kind OUR kids can't attend (thanks to liberals and their anti-voucher stance.)

Robert
Can you tell me who stated this. One way or the other we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develope WMDs and missiles to deliver them. That is the bottom line. PRES CLINTON Feb4. 1998 , One more for ya, He will use those WMDs again ,as he has ten times since 1983 Come On LIBTARD you are dissapointing me. MR SANDY BURGLER Feb 18 1998, want another We know that he has stored away secret supplies of WMDS throughtout his country, come on I know myou know who said that. your buddy AL GLOBULL WARMING Gore . Now do you know what all these people have in common? They all stated SADDAM was a threst to the world before PRES BUSH even took office. I think I now know why you DUMBOCRAPS are mad at this ADMINISTRATION, you are jelous that yopu didnt have the BA##s to kick SADDAMS ARSE before PRES BUSH did.

Hal's
other UN victory (?)

Following this, the United Nations Emergency Force (UNEF), was stationed in Sinai to prevent any military occupation of the Sinai. In 1967, Egypt reinforced its military presence in Sinai, renewed the blockade on Eilat, and on May 16 ordered the UNEF out of Sinai effective immediately.

Secretary-General U Thant eventually complied and ordered the withrawal without Security Council authorization.

In response, Israel initiated the Six-Day War in which the Egyptian army was defeated, and Israel took control over the entire peninsula.

H*LLUVA VICTORY HAL...for the Israelis.

Robert
"General Powell is in a position all his own. I give General Powell this...he entertains questions on the situation and I think tries to answer them. The Twins have had a chance to discuss this with him...(along with about 40 other JO's)"

True he is open and admits his error but what still rubs me wrong and I don't know what they have on him, he remains quiet politically....

Hal
calls the CONTINUED occupation of Cyprus by the UN since 1974 a success.

Then: On 5 December 2006, the United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan recommended a further six-month extension in the mandate of the UN mission that has been deployed on the island for over four decades. Mr. Annan said that while the situation remained “calm and stable with no major violations of the ceasefire lines,” he regretted the continued stalemate in the political process and the “missed opportunities” by the UN over the past 10 years.

Join your buddy Robert in the A**Clown Room

Chuck
My dad did two tours of duty in RVN (AF CMsgt RET) He didn't have a camera but took lots of pictures (mostly Cam Ranh Bay and Tan se Nut AB.)
He said he tried to buy a camera when he was in country but everytime a shipment came in the ROK army would buy up everything so he just took pictures instead.

Max Power
"The bad part is that the UN has never had a success! "

"For every Cyprus there is a Somalia, for every Sinai there's a Bosnia."

That was a statement of absolute value and it was simply incorrect


"Whenever a beuracracy shows up to make things "better" they inevitably make things worse."

Actually another absolute value and another incorrect statement example without a bureaucracy we could not have become the huge industrial machine we were in WWII

"The UN was supposed to transcend corruption and malaise, instead we get Oil for Food and parts of Bosnia without electricity."

"The USA was supposed to provide liberty and justice for all"

We are still trying to achieve both lofty goals

"The UN is a failure..."

What would you have ion its place

Max Power
I doubt she's worried, leftists are all mouth and no action. Unless they're keying your car in the dark of the night.

And from what I've seen of the current crop of hippie men, she'd probably stomp the p*ss out of a dozen.

GunnyG
"The bad part is that the UN has never had a success! "

Cyprus? the Siani

"The UN wasted MILLIONS of our money doing this.

Typical do-gooders knowing what's good for us!"

Now shall we document every error of fundementalists or Republicans?

RETSSGT
That, or his mommy has him cleaning his room right now.

Robert
"I have told him that and how I was "displeased" with him cuddling up to both Bush and the far right religious American Taliban personally and directly."
=========================
BWAHHAHHAAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHA!

You just got awarded the A**CLOWN of the YEAR AWARD.

Please pick up your award.

http://gallery.audioreview.com/data/audio/500/thumbs/assclown-UR.jpg

Robert
As a military instructor once told me: "It is easy to die for your country - a lot of time, if that happens, you will have little say or time to think. What is hard, very hard is to get fired for your country."

I agree with him.

IM BACK
Robert 9:08am Most Vets I neew took their Super 8 or 8MM cameras with them. Did you slap them for lying to you. I remember in 1971 I had finished my traing and this was my Process. 1 You graduated from Special Forces training. 2. You had 30 min to call home and say goodbye. 3 your BUTT was put on a bus and sent to the Airport 4. you where put on an airplane and sent to NAM, now I dont know who your friends where in Nam but I sure would ???? how they had time to go to the base PX and by a super 8 OR 8mm CAMERA. But after reading your comments later I now understand how your friends maybe had time to obtain these items. The Navy had nothing better to do but stock the cameras on the ships BX. What is shocking is that for a Navy person to even imagine what happen in Nam sitting on a ship in the Gulf of Tonken. I was there and seen plenty of bad things in Nam I dont need to go to some BS site to remember what happened their, Its amazes me of the people who where never their to seem to understand what happened there and dont give me this crap about having allot of friends who where their. BULLCRAP. I do respect the Navy men on the PBRs that saved me and my team but I never recall anyone of the SWift boat guys who picked us up filming anything.

ALL
Check out this story on my blog, on the "tolerance" of the peace, love, dope crowd.

http://noliberalspin.townhall.com/g/63befb4f-c743-4f5c-ad39-d7a94cb52456

Bman1
The bad part is that the UN has never had a success!

In fact, (I blogged this), the UN FORCED tube wells on the people in Bangladesh, even after the people SAID the groundwater was tainted. Now, 15 years LATER, people are sick and dying from arsenic tainted water.

The UN wasted MILLIONS of our money doing this.

Typical do-gooders knowing what's good for us!

Robert
"Mr. Powell is a special case. He was one of the band of brothers and he was in a unique position, in my view to shut this thing down...or at least give the nation a giant pause before it rushed headlong off the cliff.

When he says "I was being a good soldier" he forgot who his allegiance was to, The Republic not the administration...that is not a stain...

It is a failure when his leadership mattered most...and history should curse him for it.

I dont know a major historical figure whose honor has failed so completly."

Amen sadly amen but it was there to see during Iran Contra with Ollie et. al. Ollie chose to lie Bud at least had the curtiousy to attempt suicide. Our mistake is we expected more from Powell

sheepdog
Good post at 1130.

Funny how the libstains NEVER say a thing about that and the scummy libs I asked to read my blog and comment on the story NEVER SHOWED UP!

In fact, the Senate Ethics BURIED that issue quick, Ol Gun Grabber Feinstein using MILCON to make her husband rich.

Nothing like liberal hypocracy.

SPEAKING of liberal hypocracy, Bush SIGNS his SF 180 and reveals his ENTIRE record to the public but Hanoi John doesn't. And WE'RE screwed up for asking questions.

Sign the 180 John.

Robert
"I've sent him a letter and made sure he "knew" where it came from (I have a camera with me!) and oddly enough got a reply which I consider a personal one...he mentioned when we had met at a "conference" (we share a mutual interest in space flight). It was handwritten...and I think it was him.

The best I can figure from it is that he is pondering it, he wouldnt rule it out or in..."

Gore is too damn happy with life now it seems. I know a LOT of big money people wanted him to run but he will not. My guess is he only would if drafted which is not likely to happen. I like the guy.

"Gore has many problems (only I am perfect...ask people here! JOKE) but in my view he has shown courage and we lack that in our politics today. His SFO speech and his DC speech on The Constitution are two examples which carry a lot of mass with me. "

McCain cudling up to Bush after Bush's attack lost it for me before that I could have been convinced. But you then you know how D's are so able to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory

patriotdefender
He needs to ship out on a garbage scow. NYC Dogg is just another inner-city gimme-gimme baby.

PS: How'd ya like my piece on the anti-American scumbags at Columbia University. The highlight of NYC!

sheepdog
"I scrolled up to look the posts between you and Max. I missed those. I got ahead of myself. Should have checked info first before my last posts."

My fault also for not being clear. I am on and off the computer because I am trying to do too many things right now. Sorry

"BTW I posted earlier about what decorations you received. I'm just curious. In my service I received 2 commendation medals, achievement medal 4 Good conduct medals plus several others."

I am honestly not certain. I had a normal career. My medals are in storage along with most of my other stuff. I would suggest the normal ones for a guy who went in e-1 and retired 0-5 an did a good job.

NYC DOGG
You figure it out limp noodle.

I enlisted in 79 and retired in 2002.

Went to the Gulf in 90/91

Did Liberia (what a waste of time)

Six months in Bosnia

Was going to Afghanistan when my foot was busted up.

Good enough for you scumbag?

NOW, WHERE DID YOU SERVE SH*TBIRD?


HalD
And as far as civilians profiting how can you not mention Haliburton etc...

Got me there...that makes us even


Robert
"I am still realing as to how you made Gunny...but then that is the USMC's business not mine."

It's "reeling" idiot not "realing"

Didn't you say you were an Officer?

I'm rocked to the core that you were an Officer much less a college grad. Were you a "shake and bake" officer? Maybe you can get you "Marine" kids to get you a copy of Spelling for Marines.

Also, nimrod, after Sgt, we get our record books screened by HQMC promotion board for the next higher rank. I had to compete in the 1345 MOS with three feeder MOS's and made SSgt AND GySgt ahead of my peers. So puff on it.

Also, I noticed that you failed to reply when I posted the mission of the Marine SNCO and it backed up exactly what I was saying.

So suck it wannabe.

You were in Nam like I just flew the last shuttle mission!

Robert
"General Powells performance is amazingly bad. I to this day dont know how he looks himself in the mirror, particularly with the professional pieces he had published as a junior and mid grade officer on the failures of civilian and uniformed leaders going into and during Vietnam."

In a speech he gave last year he said it was a permanent stain upon his career and reputation. I think he creeps up on mirrors

Listen Dog pile
I am sick to death of your hate America spew. Why don't you take your sorry self, Iranian flag and sutograph book down there to GZ on Monday and let the Holocaust denier Ahmunutjob sign it before you go accusing my friends of not having served and callin them namees. You have no f-ing clue about GunnyG because I have twice seen you spew that he has not served. FYI asshat, 21 years. STFU now, and go grab your pen and disposable camera. And when your done, maybe hitch a ride outta the Greatest Country in the world.

HalD
I scrolled up to look the posts between you and Max. I missed those. I got ahead of myself. Should have checked info first before my last posts.

BTW I posted earlier about what decorations you received. I'm just curious. In my service I received 2 commendation medals, achievement medal 4 Good conduct medals plus several others.


sheepdog
"Did you ever see a more ridiculous statement? Since when did the military ever make a profit from preparing for war? I know civilian companies make profits preparing for war (Sen Feinstien's husband is an example of that). Another thing if the military is making profits from this war wouldn't it be wise to give some of the "Profit" back to the troops who are doing the actual work. "

I forgot you guys were conservatives. Profit can mean more than money i.e. promotions, status etc. And as far as civilians profiting how can you not mention Haliburton etc...

HalD
My bad!! Companies that employ people (Mercenaries) are there for profit..I understand that. I didn't know you were talking about mercenaries. I might have missed something earlier.

bman
no member of the 5 permanent members could be secretary general. But knowing those limp d*cks at the UN, they would drool at the possibility of bubba on board. Another socialist who would subscribe to diminishing americ a wouild be more than welcome especially with his"wife" as president. There has been the talk of the nau but I believe the Un believes they should be running the world. Of course they can't recognize terrorism or cut throat dictators but they certainly understand what power over other means. Afterall they are currently demanding that america pony up the billion plus dollars to tidy up that cesspool they occupy on the east river. Perhaps if they can't get our money, maybe they will get upset and relocate somewhere more accomodating to their worldview. Now that france is becoming more aware of the danger of islamsits I guess their next best choice would be belgium. We can only hope

GunnyG
"Actually not true. Military does not profit from war it profits from preparing for war. A huge difference"

Did you ever see a more ridiculous statement? Since when did the military ever make a profit from preparing for war? I know civilian companies make profits preparing for war (Sen Feinstien's husband is an example of that). Another thing if the military is making profits from this war wouldn't it be wise to give some of the "Profit" back to the troops who are doing the actual work.




Lolo1
"So if liberals think it is so wrong what was done to Kerry, why is it therefore right to do the same thing to Petreaus??"

Libstain hypocracy

Hal/Robert
Here are a few links on Kerry, please read them. If they are FALSE, then WHY HAS HANOI JOHN not sued them for LIBEL and Slander?

http://members.aol.com/viperash50/kerrypow/kerrypow.html

When John Kerry's courage went MIA.
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0408,schanberg,51276,1.html

The Village Voice, NOT exactly a right-wing paper.

Sign the 180 John and let us SEE why you had to go to Carter to get your discharge upgraded.

sheepdog
"Since you claim the military profits from preparing for war, wouldn't any so-called "profits" have to be returned to the government? You make it sound like the military is a private enterprise."

That was replying to Max in terms of mercenaries. I meant profit in terms of growing stronger and better organized. I was trying to outline the huge difference between military and mercenary however poorly.

A Question
So if liberals think it is so wrong what was done to Kerry, why is it therefore right to do the same thing to Petreaus??

With every liberal
posting I see they are incapable of seeing differences on anything yet they accuse conservatives of seeing everything in black and white.

The village idiot is the worst of the lot.

Amazing!!!!

Hmmm...
I have as yet to see even one Democrat point to exactly where Petreaus is lying and then give proof that he is lying.

Calling liar, liar, pants on fire is not good enough.

And I have as yet to see where Republicans are calling them on that.


WHERE IS THE PROOF??????

Robert
"Mr. Kerry could not give "himself" the awards...the US Navy found them valid and hence that should have been the end of the story."

Actually Robert, the Corpsman who treated that wound that managed to penetrate the 3rd layer of skin on Hanoi John, refused to write a wound tag and was shocked that Hanoi John got the award. it's quiet obvious Hanoi John wrote his own award.

rocker
Let this mommy give you a lesson in morality.

It isn't about whether you agree or disagree.

It is the manner in which you choose to express it.

Attacking generals and hitting below the belt is not the proper way to do it.

Hal
I was wondering if you had a link for:

a. those concentration camps you referred to about 10 days ago (I think that you've had enough time to research it)

b. where we can view Hanoi John's records now that he signed the SF 180.

jlg
"All your dancing around the issue and your attmpts at ad hominem fail to obsure the fact that any comparison of the Moveon ad with the Swift Boat ads is an attempt to compare apples and oranges."

Nonsense! They both were attacks on soldiers and their performance. BUT THE REAL ISSUE is that this is only being used to distrate from the real issue - the Iraq debacle and Bush's war.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/hal-donahue/bushs-ego-is-a-sorry-alt_b_65259.html

HaLD
Since you claim the military profits from preparing for war, wouldn't any so-called "profits" have to be returned to the government? You make it sound like the military is a private enterprise.


Duplicate...
Pardon the duplicate posting...Once was enough. Now I'll go out and flog my fingers. :^)

HalD
"Actually not true. Military does not profit from war it profits from preparing for war. A huge difference"

HUH! how does the military profit from preparing for war? Can you cite some examples...I'm curious how does the military make a profit?

Apples and Oranges...

Robert writes: "No lets not..."

"Sorry, the awards/citaations[sic] that Mr. Kerry got were given by the US Navy and to demean them is to in fact demean the US Navy for poltiical reasons......[Blah, blah, blah]...I bet you were one of the cheerleaders...[End Rant]..."

Robert, among other things, the circumstances of Kerry's awards and citaations[sic] are precisely what are at issue in the Swift Boat ads. As I said earlier, all Kerry had to do to lay this to rest was to release a full transcript of his records, but he has refused.

All your dancing around the issue and your attmpts at ad hominem fail to obsure the fact that any comparison of the Moveon ad with the Swift Boat ads is an attempt to compare apples and oranges.

Apples and Oranges...

Robert writes: "No lets not..."

"Sorry, the awards/citaations[sic] that Mr. Kerry got were given by the US Navy and to demean them is to in fact demean the US Navy for poltiical reasons......[Blah, blah, blah]...I bet you were one of the cheerleaders...[End Rant]..."

Robert, among other things, the circumstances of Kerry's awards and citaations[sic] are precisely what are at issue in the Swift Boat ads. As I said earlier, all Kerry had to do to lay this to rest was to release a full transcript of his records, but he has refused.

All your dancing around the issue and your attmpts at ad hominem fail to obsure the fact that any comparison of the Moveon ad with the Swift Boat ads is an attempt to compare apples and oranges.

Max Power
"So does a standing army. Are you saying that everyone in uniform wants to perpetuate war?"

Actually not true. Military does not profit from war it profits from preparing for war. A huge difference

"Also, you're assuming that mercenaries' only motive for fighting in Iraq is money. Perhaps this is only a small factor and the major factor is a sense of duty to fight on our side."

I could care less why they fight. I do know the fact that they do fight for money if there was not an active war they would not have employeement

bman
did you catch missus clinton's comments about bubba being a bigger than life presence and also a force of nature. She then claims she will have a smaller footprint. I recall the only time he was forceful was pointing his finger at the camera and telling us he had to get back to his job of molesting interns and other, according to carville, trailer park trash that caught his fancy. But how could this bigger than life presence be undone by a dress. The clinton's are really a pair of tools. They are both convinced they are legends, but only in their own minds. Who do you think loves bubba more, himself or his missus. She is now telling us she will be bubba's second coming, pardon the pun, upon entering the white house where she plans to abdicate her office and return the presidentcy to her idol or is it idle, hero bvubba.

Hillary Rodham Clinton can't denounce
Moveon.
She wouldn't have any money left in her coffers if she did. Remember the photo ops with Hsu, her last great contributor that was wanted for over a decade. She was caught red-handed with his money. She can little afford to distance herself from the disgusting unpatriotic group moveon.

Max Power
"Perhaps this is only a small factor and the major factor is a sense of duty to fight on our side."

Even if we were ever invaded, I'm sure the libs would find some way for us to surrender.

TCA was likely banned.
That is usually what happens when all the posts disappear. I would not dance on the plot yet because if he is like the rest of the libtards he will show backup under a different name like Philosecrackhead and out.

They are worst than vampires crossed with the Everready Bunny, they keep posting and posting and posting.

Hillary needs the coin
Listen folks, Moveon and their ilk could accsuse republicans of wanting to eat Iraqi babies, and Hillary would not denounce it. And no, that isnt because she believes such nonsense. It is because she has come to rely heavily on their big fat bankroll. She wants the money more than she wants honesty.

GunnyG
"Funny how you can ignore MY service and those here and call people still serving their as a civilian a "mercenary" and write a post like you just did."

Oh I will only do that to point out what you are doing. Like our buddy SFASU who wants to vet DOD awards before honoring them. You are a mercenary plain and simple nothing wrong with that but it is a simple truth like if you were gay just an orientation description.

"Also, I noticed that evaded my question on the guy sitting next to me. He served his time, got wounded, and is STILL in the fight doing almost the SAME JOB as when he was in the Army!"

Why isn't he still in the army? Listen, I have no problem with mercenaries but by definition they have a vested interest in continued conflict.

"Keep squawking parrot boy. I've got your cracker hanging! "

point being? LMAO

Swift Boat Redux...
Jacmicwag…

I get a little tired of folks playing the moral equivalence game by equating the Moveon.org ad with the Swift Boat Veterans’ ads. Let’s list a few differences, shall we?

The Swift Boat Vets served in Vietnam with John Kerry, and were in a position to know whereof they spoke. Moveon and the leftwing nutjobs associated with them...well, you get the idea.

John Kerry slandered the troops when he came home, and provided aid and comfort to the enemy. See http://wintersoldier.com/ for the excruciating details. General Petraeus has had a career of honorable military service. The equation of these two just doesn’t pass the smell test.

Neither John Kerry nor his supporters have been able to credibly refute the accusations made by the Swift Boat Vets, who made many of their statements under oath. Assuming they are lying, Kerry could lay much of this to rest by releasing his Form 180 records IN THEIR ENTIRETY, but he refuses to do this. Petraeus’ attackers have NO credible evidence to back up their assertions. Just a few splutterings from HuffPo, Daily Kooks, et al.

If Petraeus had half the skeletons in his closet that Kerry has, you can bet that the Dems would have unearthed them, and that Petraeus would not have been confirmed 81-0 in January.

So let’s just drop the phony comparisons to the Swift Boat ads, ok?

ssdd
Check my blog amigo, I posted the NAY votes on censuring moveon.org for the General Betray Us ad.

Hitlary voted NAY on censure.

moveon.org, OWNED by Soros, OWNS the DNC!!

Here we go
DailyKos, run by an EX-Army career PFC, endorses OBL's latest message.

DNC=Dhimmicrats

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=5047411B-2FDC-4750-8EAA-50B610FBC4C0

gunny
did you catch the claim earlier this week that talibanman claims john kerry was swiftboated because americas wants to destroy it's congressional medal of honor winners. He must have figured a way to give himself that medal in a similar way to his purple heart for misdfiring that gun at the shore that resulted in the schrapnel being removed from his finger with tweezers and and covered with a bandaid. Talibanman owes bob kerrey an apology for the confusion

The Grunt
Check my blog (click on my handle) and check out the series I did on the Klintoons, ENRON, and Ron Brown's murder. I included links for further review. CREDIBLE links like ABCnews interviews, CNN, and Judicial Watch depositions.

Also, a week ago, I did a four-parter on the ACLU and the numerous scumbag leftist groups who fund them...including THREE foundations that launder leftist money for radical groups like ANSWER, etc.

I see the Lamocrats still
refuse to answer questions:

Robert, are you now, or have you ever been the lame poster "True Captain America", AKA TCA.

What years did YOU serve in 'nam and what was the unit?

And To HalD:

Will Hsu take a bullet for Hillary? Will Hillary have another memory lapse?

Hal D
I know your a retired LTC. What decorations did you receive? I'm just curious.

no surprise here
I wasnt fond of either attack methods on John Kerry or the General...my concern is how much does Clinton owe MoveOn.org and to what extent she will have to go to appease them..I dont care what your party membership is, at some point honor needs to weigh out above $$$$$ and silent bedroom partner agreements....what is she offering such an extremist group to not eat HER alive.......

SFASU7392
I hear that. I had my foot smashed in a service-connected accident and get 10% for it but I'm a mercenary as far as Hal E. Burton is concerned.

Robert = TCA

Hal = Lilly

And they form a libstain echo chamber reaffirming one another's stupidity.

I just figured it out. I've been reviewing their posts on other threads.

Thanks for serving brother, this proud mercenary appreciates it.

BTW HAL E. Burton, did you know that mercenaries throughout history, starting with the Roman auxilaries and through the Renaissance were/are considered an honorable profession? Indeed, there are British mercenary groups serving as security elements and doing a job few others WANT.

Just a history lesson for ya, ya druggie.

HalD
Is it true that Hsu is already giving a deposition on Hitlary and the Ponzi Scam he was running for SIXTY MILLION?

If so,

Hsu = DEAD MAN WALKING!

Clinton
Hillary Clinton will only and has only been an insult to our military. She is just a overly ambitious person (out for herself) who will destroy what ever is left of this country when Bush leaves. We know she will divert monies from military to social needs (nothing wrong with that), but can she put us in the same financial shape her husband had us in. Not by doing that. Social programs and the military are like owning a boat, just a big hole in the water that you keep pouring money into.

Robert you haven't answered the question
Are you TCA?

And what yers were you in Nam?

Hal
"All this attacking of Vets is disgusting..."

Really azzhat? YOU DO IT!

Funny how you can ignore MY service and those here and call people still serving their as a civilian a "mercenary" and write a post like you just did. Man, those drugs you're on are KILLER!

Also, I noticed that evaded my question on the guy sitting next to me. He served his time, got wounded, and is STILL in the fight doing almost the SAME JOB as when he was in the Army!

Keep squawking parrot boy. I've got your cracker hanging!

HaLD
Is it true that Moveon paid OJ to do his crimes now so the media would ignore Hsu?

Is Hillary setting up Hsu to commit suicide like other Lamocrat worthies when they embarrassed the Klintons?

http://wcbstv.com/local/local_story_256140637.html


Robert
They ever get that rice shrapnel out of Hanoi John's butt?

I'll bet he was in a lot of pain in that picture with him and Hanoi John listening to commies in the park.

I also wonder if that tiny tiny piece of shrapnel that was caught in the 3rd layer of skin on his arm affected his ability to throw his medals, wait, someone ELSE's medals over the fence?

Whatta ya think?

Enough!
All this attacking of Vets is disgusting especially while our military troops are being abandoned in the desert. Hegal/Webb? No relief for the troops? Listen we are grinding this military down hard. What will be left? Who will rebuild it? All this other nonsense is a diversion plain and simple. IF this is the fight of this generation why doesn't this regime build the required military? Why doesn't this regime mobilse production to adequately supply the military in wartime? Meanwhile after voting to not provide a drop of relief to the troops the cowardly senate attacks Move On. You "patriots" cannot claim to support the troops any longer - SHAME! I understand GunnyG's motivation he is a mercenary and his personal; interest is prolonging the Iraq debacle but the rest of you?

The question of the day
Is Robert TCA and did he eat the burrito?

http://www.wftv.com/news/12926707/detail.html

Robert
If The Goreacle had it right, then why didn't he advise Bubba to nab OBL the FIRST time he was offered?

In fact, it seems that The Goreacle's MAIN purpose in the Clinton Admin was to drum up dough not advise. And you wanted him for Pres?

A guy who FLUNKED Divinity School not ONCE but TWICE? Who FLUNKED Law School? Who got a "C" in Science? You wanted HIM as POTUS!?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAH!

Robert want a cracker?

For Robert

Robert
I dont recall ever seeing anyone in NAM especially the Combat troops ever having time to fight and duck bullets and record anuything while engaging the enemy. Now they might have had a news reporter give them a copy of a firefight. I guess I was just at an outpost that didnt have time to record the enemey trying to kill me. I was more worried about my troops and saving my ARSE than to worry about trying to influence AMERICA that I was a WAR hero like JONNY BOY was.

Hal
Hey everyone, it's HAL!

HAL: "Sqwauk! Mercenary! Sqwauk! Concentration Camps in USA! SQWAUK! Someone find my brain! SQWAUK! Cleland got his stars before! SQWAUK! Mercenary! SQWAUK! Bushitler! SQWAUK!"

Hal, funny how you can so easily discount other people's service and pick flysh*t out of pepper. The guy sitting next to me? Former Army. Wounded in Baghdad 2005. Retired 2006. Here as a mercenary...JUST LIKE ME!

HAL: "Where's my talking points? RAAAAAAAK! hal pretty bird. Want a moveon.org cracker. RAKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!"

WHAT. A. FLAMING. IDIOT. YOU. ARE.

Hal
Dear Stupid,

Did you read my posts or just go into full froth-mode. I was discussing BOTH sides of the issue. That you DON'T call a guy a hero for blowing himself up.

Have you EVER tossed a grenade? I've thrown a SH*Tload and YOU KNOW when that fuse is burning not to mention the spoon flies off. I'm curious why Max did not see that.

Also, did I scumbag Cleland? No, you flaming moron. Were you THERE to witness what he did to win TWO medals for what is evidently one incident?

If not, the how about serving up a canteen cup of STFU you blithering idiot.

BTW a**hat, where's those concentration camps at?

Hal D
I also was in NAM and can you tell me how many sol;diers that went to NAM that took their own VIDEO CAMERAS into combat to record their so called missions. I can OOOOOOOONNNNNNNEEEEEE.
JJJJJJJOOOOOOHHHHHNNNN FFFFF KKKKKEEEERRRRYYY

WHY?
The government faces a SHUTDOWN,our INFRASTRUCTURE is crumbling,our schools are failing ,etc.ad infinitum.But, yet in Washington they spend time debating issues that carry no "WEIGHT".Only in AMERICA!!WHY?

Robert
OMG! What a stunning riposte! I'm skewered by your rapier wit.

Did you mean THIS Al Gore?

http://bureaucrash.com/system/files/images/gore_gun.preview.jpg

or this one?

Gore was criticized for attending an event at the Buddhist Hsi Lai Temple in Hacienda Heights, California in 1996. GORE: “I did not know that it was a fund-raiser. I knew it was a political event, and I knew there were finance people that were going to be present, and so that alone should have told me..."

Gee, ya THINK?

GOOD EXAMPLE idiot.

Get Out of Scorn Free Card
When Lamocrats Kerry, Clealand, and Murtha are caught red handed in their lies and disgusting thievery they hold up their DD214 and say "see, we are heroes, we are protected from scorn….but wait….Kerry want let you see his 214….could there be a BCD there???

HAL D
We all know how JOHN FINNIN KERRY got his PURPLE HEARTS. HE BLEW Hisself UP. Why is it ok for you LIBS to blast a Standing GEN but God forbid if you blast SMURTHA. Smurtha couldnt KERRY/ GEN P jock strap. I think the Gen has more BA**S than them two SCUMBAGs. What is really sad is that you are retired military and you bash them more than anybody. I know how much you love SMURTHA but now that we know the MARINES whom which your so called beloved SMURTHA called MURDERERS where found innocent why cant he apologise? Damn I forgot he is a DEM. I dont know an Marine today that would call another MARINE an MURDERER like SMURTHA did

GunnyG
Yeah, and I see we have the biggest Lamocrat of them all back today. One on our shoe bottom and the other extolling the virtues of "between the toes" feelings.

GunnyG
"Actually "chump" or is it "chimp"? We don't call guys blown up OUTSIDE of enemy action a hero."

Really? WOW awards for bravery fighting fires at sea. Awards rescuing people at great risk to yourself - they aren't heros? Listen mercenary you do the military a huge disservice and know it. Cleland's stars actually came for action before the granade event but all you managers keep attacking combat veterans

"Either way, Cleland is NOT a hero, just like Hanoi John of the super-secret Cambodia mission is NOT a hero."

All those combat awards given properly by the military service call you a liar mercenary and EVERY time you attack their awards you attack every military man whoever served.

"You see "Dogg" I KNOW some real heroes, 1 MoH winner (Wesley Fox), and several others with various things from Navy Crosses to BStr w/"V". Guys who suffered sucking chest wounds but made sure OTHER GUYS were evac'd first and who later had to be ORDERED onto the helo for extraction.

THAT is a hero. "

According to you GunnyG no they are not heros their awards were given by a flawed system -- they don't count because their awards are probably not true stories according to you, my mercenary manager. You can't have it both ways awards are honorable and valid or mere bangles of little import. You tell me which is the case

Robert
Maybe when you turn 13 Mommy & Daddy will get you a clue for your birthday instead of giving you more of their Mitch Miller album collection.

AND for ALL those who think John F. Kerry is not a traitor...this just in, Ghengis Khan (in his own fashion) says he is.

W/O=

Vic
You're right of course, why waste keystrokes on an empty suit like NYC Dudd.

SFASU7392
"Bullsh!t. I spent 12.5 years in the Navy, and ended up with 60%+ hearing loss in my left ear, severe arthritis in my left ear, and hypertension. How dare you say I hate the miltary you SELLOUT SAD SACK OF SH!T!!!!!!! KERRY AND MURTHA HEROES MY BUTT!!!!! Reads severe arthritis in my left ear.Should say severe arthritis in my left knee"

Here we go! This is the real you - PERFECT! You did exactly that, sold out, attacking Max and others. Nice huh? Feel good? You attack military decorations, you attack a man who lost two legs and an arm in military service, you attack the military. It is not I who sold out - look in the mirror. Do not ever claim to me that you care about the troops you are just whining....


New York City Dogg
Other heroes include:

Guys who face the daily grind DAY AFTER DAY and stand up for what's right and who DO the right thing, even when it's NOT popular. (Unlike Bill "Leadership by polls" Clinton)

This doesn't include sh*tstain's like ABSCAM Murtha who refuses to apologize to the Marines he libeled as murderers.

Hanoi John Kerry who managed to smear every VNV in his bogus 1971 Senate testimony WHICH, upon being proved FALSE should have resulted in a charge of Perjury but the Liberal majority Congress overlooked that little issue.

I know heroes "dogg" and D*MN few of them are liberals.

Why is anyone even trying to discuss
anything with NYC dogstuff. The only thing he can do is attract flies and collect on the bottom of your shoe. We all know the facts which are:

Lamocrats are ALL communist.

Lamocrats are ALL liars.

Lamocrats are anti-military yellow dogs.

Exmilitary people who join the Lamocrat party do it for one reason only, they were political military and they wish to continue in that vein. For what ever reason the Republican Party is closed to them so they go Lamocrat.

New York City Dogg
Actually "chump" or is it "chimp"? We don't call guys blown up OUTSIDE of enemy action a hero.

There is another version to this story that the lamestream media DOESN'T report and that is, that there were four GI's PLAYING with a grenade and someone went oops.

Either way, Cleland is NOT a hero, just like Hanoi John of the super-secret Cambodia mission is NOT a hero.

A HERO is the guy who gets THREE PH's and STAYS in country with his crew to make sure that THEY get home ok.

A HERO is the guy who gets a minor wound and tells Doc, "keep the heart, this ain't good enough for one."

You see "Dogg" I KNOW some real heroes, 1 MoH winner (Wesley Fox), and several others with various things from Navy Crosses to BStr w/"V". Guys who suffered sucking chest wounds but made sure OTHER GUYS were evac'd first and who later had to be ORDERED onto the helo for extraction.

THAT is a hero.

meant to say:
That's a hero - you're a chump! This is why Warpublican bleats about the TROOPS fail to resonate with Americans - chumps like SAFU have the NERVE to compare themselves to fighters like Cleland - and even JOHN KERRY...

orlando says:
"You're conveniently seem to be forgetting the Cole and Trade Tower bombings during Clinton's watch. You're also forgetting that Clinton turned down an opportunity to get Bin Laden."

Talk about convenience! The attackers of WTC I were ALL caught, tried and now rot in prison. I know Republicans are only happy when bombs are dropping (usually on women and children) - but the truth is the truth - the perps were caught and justice was served. The Cole incident happened TWO MONTHS before Bush took office. On Jan. 26th - SIX DAYS AFTER BUSH TOOK Office, the perps were identified as Al Queda - and what did Bush do - NOTHING. The story about Clinon's opportunity at Bin Laden is also a lie - the Sudan NEVER offered him to America - they OFFERED HIM TO THE SAUDIS - who turned them down. Of course, the fact that Bush allowed Bin Laden to slip away in Afghanastan - AFTER 9/11, sure doesn't seem to trouble Warpublicans too much, but bashing Clinton for murky events that happened 10 years ago - hey - why explore the failure of Republicans on 9/11 and after when we can avoid responsibility by lying about CLinton.
America ain't stupid folks - which is why Bill is loved and Bush is despised.
Go Figure.

ALL
Check my blog for three SCORCHERS!!!!

"I love the smell of burned liberals in the morning. It smells, like, victory."

SAFU says:
"Bullsh!t. I spent 12.5 years in the Navy, and ended up with 60%+ hearing loss in my left ear, severe arthritis in my left ear, and hypertension. How dare you say I hate the miltary you SELLOUT SAD SACK OF SH!T!!!!!!! KERRY AND MURTHA HEROES MY BUTT!!!!!"

Pretty funny "hero" - you've got hearing loss and hypertension and you have the gall to attack Cleland - who lost his arms clearing a grenade dropped by a fellow soldier: "As they were getting off the helicopter, Max saw the grenade on the ground and he instinctively went for it. Soldiers in combat don't leave grenades lying around on the ground. Later, in the hospital, he said he thought it was his own but I doubt the concept of "ownership" went through his mind in the split seconds involved in reaching for the grenade. Nearly two decades later another soldier came forward and admitted it was actually his grenade. Does ownership of the grenade really matter? It does not.

Maury Cralle'
Battalion Executive Officer
2d/12th Cavalry Battalion
1st Air Cavalry Division
During the assault on Khe Shan"

That's a hero - you're a chump! This is why Warpublican bleats about the truth fail to resonate with Americans - chumkps like SAFU have the NERVE to compare themselves to fighters like Cleland - and even JOHN KERRY...


Robert
You chortled like a 2 y.o. about Thompson imploding but Novemner 2008 is a long way off. Kinda like a nimrod (you) shouting in the first-inning of a baseball game after one home-run, "This game's over."

LOL!
Husseini Oblahma p*ssied out of THAT vote. What a gutless mook.

no spine Hillary
Hey,Mr.Soros...Is that the Democratic Party in your pocket,or are you just glad to see me........

Murphy's typo law - error!!!
Publish the one you Spell checked

They scowl when you tell them the truth.

They Live in a fantasy world. Be kind to them and please don't pop their bobble. Fill it with helium and they just float away.

Seriously, when you think about what this means. With the Iraninian president invited to the UN council on the Sept. 24, the same day Bush declared the 24th family day yesterday.

I am sure that it is clear that the Liberals are traitors, that is why they say that they stand by MoveOn.org for the ad in NYT claiming that the highest US Army Gen. David H. Petraeus, betrayed us. They should be looking in the mirror when they say that.

The Liberals have been polluting everything the touch, with their libertine doctrine and flippant attitudes.

Here is for Families. It brought tears to my eyes.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010924-18.html

jeff anderson
well said.

Amanda: Why do you accept the construct that this is a choice between MoveOn and Petreus? Me, I thought the ad was awful, but the notion of having government attack private citizens for exercising their right to free speech is repugnant to me, no matter how much I disagree with what was said.

This was cheap political theatre. And unless we're going to have government start coming down on all repugnant statements (I'd start with Ann Coulter), Hillary was absolutely right to vote No.

How to catch a Liberal
They scowl when you tell them the truth.

They Live in a fantacy world. Be kind to them and please don't pop their bobble. Fill it whith helium that they just float away.

Seriously, when you think about what this means. With the Iraninian president infited to the UN council on the 24, the same day Bush delcared adn family day just yesterday.

I am sure that it is clear that the Liberals are traytors, that is why they say that they stand by MoveOn.org for the ad in NYT claiming that the highest US Army Gen. David H. Petraeus, betrayed us. They should be looing in the mirror when they say that.

The liverals have been polluting everthing the touch, with their livertine doctrine and philipant attitudes.

Here is for Families. It brought tears to my eyes.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010924-18.html

well played...
a very well played move by sen. mcconnell.

at the heart of this issue is free speech, but mr. mcconnell managed to twist it into an 'us or them' issue.

i don't particularly care for mrs. clinton, and unless she runs against satan himslef there's very little chance i'd consider voting for her.

but here's the way i see this moveon thing. they said something stupid and it should have been ignored. instead the republicans are keeping it fresh in the news with their little witch hunt. to speak on the ad one way or another is to validate it. to ignore it is giving it the response it deserves.

and whether anyone here feels the opinions of moveon.org are valid, a lot of people agree with them. i don't, but i do think you've got to take what petraus says with a grain of salt. his job is to create something there that can be called success, and to think that he would come back with anything but that is ignorant. saying betrayus is just a play on words, but a lot of people do believe that his assessment is through the rose-colored glasses of someone who would like to keep his job. and hillary's condemnation of moveon is not going to make right-wing nutjobs who take this site seriously fall into her camp, and if she doesn't believe petraus' assessment is accurate, why should she defend him?

right or wrong, tasteful or not, to stop ads like that from being published is heading down a slippery slope of censorship and free speech violations. and while i certainly don't believe gen. petraus is a traitor, i also don't think the moveone ad deserves the credence republicans are giving it.

Why just on Hillary?
Doesn't look like many of the Democrats voted YAY. at least all the NAYS were Dems (candidates) with 3 no shows. Maybe it's the wording... "To express the sense of the Senate that General David H. Petraeus, Commanding General, Multi-National Force-Iraq, deserves the full support of the Senate and strongly condemn personal attacks on the honor and integrity of General Petraeus and all members of the United States Armed Forces." I guess they didn't like that "full support the General" part! Silly vote. Like making a child like broccoli. As if support=for the war. As far as Kerry's war record, he wears it when it suits him and touts his anti-war self when that suits him, too. Cleland was injured going to get a beer at the club by a grenade accident, if memory serves, and I think the "outrage" of the past was the DNC was portraying him as injured in ACTION in campaign ads.

General Betray Us
I think it is quite ironic as this subject has been reported by MSM, it is referred to as "The General Betray Us" ad, associating Bush's PR General with this image. The more right-wingers complain, the more he aquires the new nickname. Looks like someone took a page from Frank Luntz, and MoveON (with a lot of Iraq war vets, and Iraq war families as members), is a lot smarter than some people thought.

Tea Party
More like party of death! Sorry Mr. Tea- I do not need your permission to express my views, no matter how unpopular. Ain't freedom of speech great! You say I should be put to death-All I can say is "Wow" do you really believe that? That is some scary thinking. Death for disagreeing with the military. I do not have to jusfity my military particpation or lack thereof to you, but lets just say I come from a military family. I bet you felt no outrage when a actual war hero like Senator Kerry was being attacked and accused of shooting himeself--I know you have an excuse for that. But I am not thinking of some pencil pushing General, I am thinking of the grunts- they are the ones who suffer while we debate! All I am saying, is that if more Americans had loved ones serving in Iraq, this war would be over real quick.

Folks
Adios and be well

Robert
Thank you and be well

Folks
"The failure of Mr. Bush is to bring the nation to a war fighting stance...As I am fond of saying about 300,000 Americans are fighting this war.

The rest are at the malls.

Robert"

Robert nailed it plain and simple. You all shout about "we" like you have a frog in your pocket but do nothing.

Tea Party
"Davy and company In case you haven't noticed, we are at war, you do know that don't you. Calling the Commanding General a traitor is giving aid and comfort to the enemy and the DemonRat party has been doing that since we went into Iraq on their vote. But power is their god, and the blood of our troops is of no concern. You don't say you support the troops and call their commander "BetrayUs." It's Vietnam all over again, the ones in office were the same useful idiots that encouraged Gen. Giap for which he was eternally grateful. Last I knew giving aid and comfort to the enemy is treason.
These worthless excuses for elected officials and human beings aside from having the blood of millions of unborn on their hands, they have the blood of our troops on their hands as well.
You smarmy lefties, forget that there is a ripple effect, trash the commander equals trashing the troops and the families who sent them, and we all vote. Don't forget that because
we won't. "

Have you ever served? I wager not. But this rant is complete nonsense even in the old Soviet Union where this type of stuff was common they at least made it coherent...


SFASU7392
"No, but I get tired of hearing Cleland called a hero, when he was responsible for his injuries. "

Cleland received his stars before he was injured. You just appear to hate the military

After the Nominations
Watch how fast the Democratic nominee runs to the center for the general election. It worked for Bill Clinton. He then turned hard left on January 21st. It is our job to keep that on the front burner for the general election. We have to show the center that Dems are only pretending to be centrists.

Davy and company
In case you haven't noticed, we are at war, you do know that don't you. Calling the Commanding General a traitor is giving aid and comfort to the enemy and the DemonRat party has been doing that since we went into Iraq on their vote. But
power is their god, and the blood of our troops is of no concern. You don't say you support the troops and call their commander "BetrayUs." It's Vietnam all over again, the ones in office were the same useful idiots that encouraged Gen. Giap for which he was eternally grateful. Last I knew giving aid and comfort to the enemy is treason.
These worthless excuses for elected officials and human beings aside from having the blood of millions of unborn on their hands, they have the blood of our troops on their hands as well.
You smarmy lefties, forget that there is a ripple effect, trash the commander equals trashing the troops and the families who sent them, and we all vote. Don't forget that because
we won't.

Petraeus the politician
I'd be more gung ho about this.

But Petraeus chose to make himself a political General, not a real General like Eisenhower.

And check out this piece of testimony.

"Is everything you are doing over there making America safer?" Sen. John Warner asked. Petraeus tried to evade the question, but Warner wouldn't let him off the hook. "Is it making America safer?" he persisted.

"I don't know," Petraeus replied. In other words, maybe these nearly 4,000 young people who died and the 27,000 who have suffered wounds simply died and suffered for nothing. After all, their own commanding officer has now gone on record that he doesn't know if the sacrifices they are making are doing anything to make their country safer. That's a heck of a note.

Davy
The problem with progressive socialists aka liberal lefties is everything is about them, and
the military exemplifies duty, honor country, something that your side is awol on. We are in a war, you do understand that don't you or is it just too deep and when at war, when the commanding general is insulted by people who aren't good enough to lick his boots after he's gone through a camel pen; it is also insulting his troops and by insulting his troops, they are insulting the families that sent them there and
in a few months I will be among those families.
And I'm not in the mood to be conciliatory towards people who give aid and comfort to an enemy that could kill my grandson, and anyone defending these intestinal worms who parade as human beings, is as much a traitor as the Rosenbergs and Benedict Arnold together.

Thank You Hillary!
Well done. After the sorry treatment these rightwing sicko's gave Cleland, Murtha, Kerry etc I find it hypocritical on the scale of Senator Vitter ond Senator Craig for these Republicans to then attack Move On for calling the general to task. Move On just went up big in America's estimation as did you. The D's who voted against Move On? Well it explains why they are seen as weak... The Republicans vote against the troops with Hegal/Webb and then insult democracy with the aid of Democrats how dumb...

Censorship
Sorry if you "less government" Republicans think crticism of our military is wrong. The last time I checked, we have a Bill of Rights that gurantee us freedom of speech--even *gasp* speech that we do not agree with!
I am glad Hillary and Obama told congress to take a hike, why should you guys dictate to us what to think and when to apologize!
The days of you people setting the agenda are over!!

Townhall commies
So this is what we have come to? Censoring speech in the halls of Congress when we do not agree with it. That is what freedom of speech means you TH's-ALL SPEECH, even offensive speech! I am sorry that you people think the military is beyond reproach, but they work for us, not the other way around. Keep this no critcism stuff up, and do not be surpised when we have a coup. You reap what you sew. And I still say let's have a draft and then we will see how pro war all you chicken hawks are then when it is your child going off to fight for Halliburton and George Bush, instead of some poor kid from my home state of Oklahoma.

SO Correct It Bears Repeating....
MoveOn.Org has every right to express their views.

And we have every right to call them out on their views, what they are, who they are and how dangerous they are.

You lefties seem to think that being criticized is the same as being censored, and that you lefties have a Constitutional right to be immune from criticism. That's because you're accustomed to getting a free ride from liberal-arts academia, from bicoastal politicians, from liberal journalists in the news media. You think it's your Constitutional right to spout anything you want and then you confuse being criticized with being censored.

You don't know how to handle real criticism because when you went to college, your left-wing views just weren't criticized by your professors, they were ENDORSED by your professors.

Which is, incidentally, why you lefties hate Fox News so much. For the first time in your LIVES, you lefties have to deal with a hostile and suspicious adversarial news media. Something we conservatives have had to deal with since the 1950s.

hrm
i agree in principle with the vote. however, i have to confess i don't understand why this bill even came up. congress, the senate in particular, have constitutional obligations to worry about; and i don't think slapping down frothing-at-the-mouth liberals is part of that. (however satisfying that actually may be)

now that said, it is noteworthy that almost half of the dems voted for the measure. i'm guessing then that this is the "real big problem for us" that Clyburn was talking about.

Sgt Relic

They may not be owned by Sorass. It just may be, that these are true cowards. They are just afraid of Bullies like MoveOn.

The Saudis were to take Bin Laden
because Billy boy was too engrossed in PCism to take him. But he now says that he was "obsessed" with Bin Laden. Someone who is obsessed would have figured out a way to put him into another country's prison (yeah, we've been using them since before the Shah) and sweat his organization out of him. Not Bill; the only sweating going on in his administration was in the Oval office! Or maybe I should be more charitable; the only kidnapping going on in the Clinton administration was of a six year old boy to force him to go back to Cuba.

Just chalk the obsession up as another like by Bill; he lies and the Left loonies lap it up. He could take a sewer rupture, put sugar in it, and convince you guys that it was Coca Cola!

MoveOn.org is a Republican Dream...

MoveOn is just what the Republicans have been waiting for... A chance to show the Democrats in their true colors. Just A bunch of self-absorbed ninnies, who cannot agree with themselves.

MoveOn is now the face of the Democrat Party, and will be a death blow to their candidates.

I have a funny feeling that Karl Rove is quietly organizing the Republican response to MoveOn, and that's another bad sign for the Dems. I think MoveOn is giving the Republicans a 3-peat.


dems hate the military
President Bush was correct today: democrats are more afraid of moveon.org than the United states Military.

That says a lot. Democrats don't care about our troops; they care more about angering Michael Moore and George Soros than an ad that could put our troops lives in danger.

Boy, liberals and Dems sure came to Bill Clinton's defense when he had sex in the Oval Office. But they won't defend General Petreaus. dems hate the military.

Lisa Richards
http://www.lisa-richards.com
E-Mail: lisa-richards@lisa-richards.com

Robert
Out of context?

"They released him. At the time, 1996, he had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him, though we knew he wanted to commit crimes against America.

So I pleaded with the Saudis to take him, 'cause they could have. But they thought it was a hot potato and they didn't and that's how he wound up in Afghanistan."

That statement just happens to exactly match the documented events I mentioned from Lawrence Wright and others. I suppose those were out of context too? Get real!!


bama
but moveon doesn't offer debate. They censor anyone who disagrees with their agenda. If they were interested in debate why would they do that. Their agenda is based on hatred for the president. Just as they claimed the charges against bubba were trumped up and rose in numbers to defend him they are likewise too invested in seeing the president lose and the country lose in iraq.

She votefd or the General before she
voted against him. As did the following who voted to confirm Petraeus but voted against him in the sense of the Senate:

Schumer - Yea
Durbin - Yea
Feinstein - Yea
Clinton - Yea
Kennedy - Yea
Reid - Yea

So I guess John Kerry isn't the only twisted fool in the SoComm wing of the Democrat party who can vote for it before he votes against it.

Now, on to other comments here. Does anyone understand the fool Political Sideshow who supports the troops but not the General? How about his Colonels? And lieutenants? Where does your support stop? And how can the party of nuance make such absurd statements?

Robert
What does right wing radio have to do with it. It's a well cooraborated fact (Lawrence Wright mentioned many sources in his book). Even have Clinton on tape admitting as much.
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/9/10/181819.shtml?s=ic

for Jay
Jay writes: "If the Republicans insist on defining themselves by Iraq, get ready for round two of election day 2006."

Oh, I concede that the Dems hold the advantage in the 2008 election right now. You Dems may still win the 2008 election, for a variety of reasons.

But even if we conservatives do lose the general election in 2008, you gotta admit that taking down Moveon.org would be a nice consolation prize.

It may be too late to stop Hillary, who knows. But it's never too late to bust Moveon.org.

for bama
bama writes: " i guess americans have lost the right and the duty to express their political views. "

MoveOn.Org has every right to express their views.

And we have every right to call them out on their views, what they are, who they are and how dangerous they are.

You lefties seem to think that being criticized is the same as being censored, and that you lefties have a Constitutional right to be immune from criticism. That's because you're accustomed to getting a free ride from liberal-arts academia, from bicoastal politicians, from liberal journalists in the news media. You think it's your Constitutional right to spout anything you want and then you confuse being criticized with being censored.

You don't know how to handle real criticism because when you went to college, your left-wing views just weren't criticized by your professors, they were ENDORSED by your professors.

Which is, incidentally, why you lefties hate Fox News so much. For the first time in your LIVES, you lefties have to deal with a hostile and suspicious adversarial news media. Something we conservatives have had to deal with since the 1950s.

Robert
But that did not stop CLinton from taking the best shot at him we have had yet.

What? How about when Sudan offered to extradite him?

so this is what it is ... hey
some where along the way, i guess americans have lost the right and the duty to express their political views. apparently we now have a protected class of people who dare not be confronted ... membership into this class is bestowed upon a person by the supporters of the neo-conic/christian wing of the republican party.

i find this whole faux controversy to be rather amazing but i do recognize it isn't working. a large majority of americans are unswayed by the plantive pleadings of those who still think the invasion and the subsequent occupation of iraq was anything but an umitigated disaster. unfortunately for the supporters of this failed policy, the people listened to what crocker and praytellus said ... content was more important to them then the hysterical caterwauling of the self appointed lovers of (sic) america.

so this is what it is ... y'all gave it your best shot and you haven't convinced america that bush's war was worth a spit. worse yet, it has weakened america and resulted in a spectacular loss. not for want of trying you understand because our troops have done a magnificent job ... but the task was wrong and unworthy of them. so standing in solidarity with a majority of americas i have to say this ... bush you lied us into an immoral war and occupation ... if you were half the man you claim to be ... you would resign and just get the hell back to your poor scrabble dirt ranch.

jeffislouie
the dims think they have the moveon wackos in their back pocket. But should the natl nightmare occur and the missus clinton gets elected, she will find that if she doesn't dance to their tunes they will turn on her in a new york mionute. The moveon crowd is first motivated by anger. It is currently directerd at president bush. They are convinced they now control the dims and that with the coronation of the missus clinton they will see their socialist agenda implimented. Actually if moveon wants somebody they could really control they would be backing alldull. But the dims will find the moveon crowd won't be easily controlled

my new hero...
Sen. John Cornyn.
A true patriot and great American.
I have decided to work hard to get Durbin defeated in my home state of Illinois.
I will get it done.
Soothsayer -
Go ahead. Blow all your money supporting the anti-american moveon.org.
God forbid they ever manage to elect a democrat President.
Then, after we all go through our reeducation camps and America becomes a communistic socialist state with limited speech, no religion, and big, all encompassing government, you can be proud that you helped turn America into the reborn failure the soviet union became.
Soothsayer, you just made me sick.

Hillary is a @#$%! joke
I wish George Washington was still alive and in charge. Can you imagine Hillary Clinton with her views in 1776? Good Lord.

soothsayer
why aren't you also calling for the resignation of the pervert barney frank, who's apt was used as a headquarters for a male prostitution ring and the murderer kennedy. When you clowns on the left start to clean house of you trash then you can lecture our side. Until then, stick to you usual job. Lib bootlicker for the dims/socialists

Congress @ 11%
And its also 49% republicans (pending any late-breaking pervert resignations).

Jay
Of course you don't care about a military warrior being call a traitor...you're a liberal. Let's visit again after the '08 election.

Robert
You're conveniently seem to be forgetting the Cole and Trade Tower bombings during Clinton's watch. You're also forgetting that Clinton turned down an opportunity to get Bin Laden.

Why start at 1993? Why not start at 1776. There were no terrorist attacks in the U.S. until Clinton was in office.

Political Sideshow
I care about the troops. I don't care about name calling directed toward Petraeus. The Iraq war was a misguided and poorly executed policy, and I think that most of the country agrees with me. I don't care about meaningless senate resolutions intended to create future Republican political advertisements or talking points. I don't care about protecting Bush's legacy or finding him a scapegoat. If the Republicans insist on defining themselves by Iraq, get ready for round two of election day 2006.

Bman/Gunny
I noticed that Robert is on this thread already and I also noticed that ALL of TCA's posts are gone from the Ann C thread...coincidence or has TCA been booted?

Rocker
I was siding with the Veterans. Kerry's traitorous comments are on video and audio as are Hillary's. There's no dispute there. Then, he has the gall to parade himself as a war hero. He got what he deserved. If he wasn't representing the most liberal state on the planet, he wouldn't even be in politics.

Hillary Is Mad
Look at her eyes, her expressions, and listen to her words. Hillary is certifiably insane now. Too much pressure from campaigning, trying to remember the essence of lies told, wallowing at the feet of contributors that demand obedience, and far too much of a headache trying to keep Bill in line. Hillary should be admitted to the funny farm. None of this is offered as a facetious litany--I am very sorry for what is and will happen to her in the future. This woman needs serious psychological help.

What the Libs don't get...
Of course 70% wants us out of Iraq. It depends on the question. I want us out of Iraq too. Maybe Gallup can ask America if they want to leave and lose right now. They won't ask that because 70% would say "NO". If you think that Conservatives want our troops killed every day, you're all crazy!

Try to put aside your utopian view of the world and understand that we've been safe here for a reason and that there are maniacal dictators in this world that would cut off your heads, and the heads of your children, given the opportunity. They would also not hesitate to detonate a nuclear weapon here given the opportunity. The only thing standing between that, and national security, is our military. It sure as hell isn't Hillary Clinton.

Of course, if Hillary were to be elected and we were attacked again, you'd blame Bush for that too.

"Liberalism is a Mental Disorder"
Michael Savage

Bman
Yes, had to come over here. The Ann column has shifted to the left anyway and I hate that. Here's for TCA, soothpooper, and crocker:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkMkGOpAF4s&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Face%2Emu%2Enu%2F

And yes, Moveon paid OJ to do the crime so the media would show him all the time
and Hsu would get off the air
and Hillary would still get her share.

sorry for multiple post
seems I'm having trouble posting

But the Dems support the troops
Just not the war. I believe this proves that is a lie.

Gem Petreus As A repub/con Diety.
this is getting a bit ridiculous right wingers,
not to mention your blatant hypocrisy.
(swiftboaters for justice characater assasination of Sen. John Kerry in 2004.

Whats next right wingers, Death threats to
george soros and those who lead Moveon.org?

But the Dems support the troops
Just not the war

What goes around, comes around...
Four years ago, Bush refused to refute or condemn the swifties lead by that great American censor John O'Neill and financed by home-builder George Perry, considered by some to be the largest employer of illegals in Texas. Would you expect anything less from the Dems after we showed so little class?

AGAINST MARRIAGE
I see where HITLERY manager is bashing RUDI about his ex marriages. I would rather have a President who has been dIvorced and moved on than have a President who still lives with an ADULTERER. It would be hard for either to press FAMILY VALUES but I think that still living with BILLY(THE SCUD)CLINTON(THE ADULTERER) would be far worst trying to convince the American People you are for FV.

rocker
i see mommy's boy is back. For the unenlightened. This tool is 31 years old, still lives with mommy who cooks his food and washes his clothes. He has told us he is unable to find a woman to have a relationship with. But yesterday this sicko reached a new alltime low when he boasted of having sex with my mother, a neat trick as she has been dead for the past 10 years. I plan to hound this creep until everyone realizes what a piece of trash he is

Way to Go Hillary
Excellent! Hillary just committed a tremendous blunder. She essentially dissed the US Armed Forces in a move that will undoubtedly fail with the general electorate.

Think about it. Many folks disagree with the conduct of the Iraq War. But that does not give one license to attack the personal intergrity of General Petreaus or the troops themselves.

Hillary has fully aligned herself with the far left socialist of Moveon.org, a group much further to the left than the American public.

The more the Kos and Moveon numnuts back Hillary, the ore obvious it becomes that she does not flow with mainstream America.

Political HSUnami for Hillary Clinton!

Rocker
If it's such a waste of time, why are you posting? Maybe Generals should be critized for having their facts wrong, but how would Hillary know one way other another? What the hell does she know about Iraq and the conditions there?

Also, even a General with his facts wrong shouldn't be called a traitor by someone who proposes to lead the military. Although she didn't mutter those words, her vote with Moveon is a defacto agreement in my view.

She just gave the Republicans the ultimate talking point for the election, so it that regard, I'm grateful for her stupidity. She just "swift boated" herself.

soothayer
you're a tool

Clinton Digs in Deeper with the Left
This just goes to show how far someone will go to gain power. The only problem is, moveon.org doesn't represent as many of the voting public as Hilary might think. Hopefully, this event showing her deplorable attitude towards the military and General Petraeus in particular, will be replayed over and over during the run up to the primary elections next year, reminding all who Hilary stands behind, beside, and what she really stands for...it's certainly not America.

Shocker
Hillary voted no and Barak conveniently wasn't there. Since she called the General a liar, that doesn't surprise me. Now, everyone try imagine "Commander in Chief Clinton". If that doesn't keep you up at night, I don't what will!

Clinton has no morals.
I guess Hillary can't live without the money. She is pure trash like rest of libs.

missus clinton and moveon
big surprise that missus clinton supports moveon. When you lust for power and stand for nothing but your own ambition to impliment your twisted agenda, ,shew will do nothing to isolate her base. But crawling in bed with the moveon freaks doesn't indicate anyoine liable to become a moderate. But I guess the polling that the clintons rely on for every decision tells her she gains more by lining up with the looney left than siding with reason. Missus clinton keep up ,the good work. You make it clearer daily what your true politics are. By siding with moveon you only demonstrate that you are running against president bush and not on your non-existent reocrd of achievement
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