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Wednesday, September 19, 2007
Amanda Carpenter :: Townhall.com Columnist
Conservative Blogger Reports from Front Lines in Iraq
by Amanda Carpenter
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Former Townhall.com columnist Jeff Emanuel is currently in Iraq, where he has been embedded on the front lines with the U.S. military since the end of July.

A former tactical air controller in the Air Force, Emanuel participated in major combat operations in Iraq in 2003 as a member of a special operations task force. He has returned to Iraq multiple times as an embedded journalist, and he is currently in that country reporting from “inside the surge.” He will be there until the middle of October.

Following General Petraeus’ testimony before Congress last week, Emanuel took a few moments to correspond via email with Townhall.com about what he has witnessed.

The edited transcript is below.

Carpenter: Did you watch the Petraeus/Crocker hearings? What did you think and what are people saying about it in Iraq?

EMANUEL: Unfortunately, I didn’t get a chance to watch it, and neither did most of the soldiers here at Patrol Base Olson (in northwestern Samarra, Iraq), as the unit was busy with other operations at the time. The few people who did watch it said that it was exactly what they expected him to say, and that Congress reacted in an expected way as well – so, no surprises. The mission tempo is far too high for people to care about these things, or to even have time to watch or think about them. The daily cycle is wake up, go out into sector and try to stay alive (and to kill bad guys) while trying to work with the people of Iraq to move forward, make it back to the base safely, eat, go back out into sector on another mission, come back, eat again, sleep, and repeat. It’s far more exhausting than any who enjoy the cushy American lifestyle will likely ever understand.

Carpenter: Petraeus listed three indicators the surge has been successful: violence was down, casualties have decreased across the board and Iraqis in the Anbar province were ready and willing to fight Al Qaeda. Is this consistent with what you've seen on the ground?

EMANUEL: That is only one small part of the story, though the massive swath of western Iraq that makes up Anbar Province – including its major cities of Ramadi and Fallujah, which many in the coalition were all-but ready to write off entirely as recently as last summer – is one worth knowing and talking about. In the last year, unimaginable progress has seemingly come from nowhere and blossomed into the ‘Anbar Awakening.’

Numerous tribes and clans of the region put aside their historical differences and banded together to drive out the majority of al Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) and other terrorists from their territories. Whether this alliance of tribes will last into the future, once there is no longer a common enemy who offers in the words of one tribal sheik “only death” to the people is another matter altogether – but, if the counterinsurgency mission in Iraq is to end in a successful exercise in stable nation-building, well, that issue will have to be addressed at some point in the future. 

The fact is that increasing the coalition troop presence, and moving the troops back out into the communities they are responsible for securing – as well as moving soldiers into areas that were abandoned by the coalition after the initial invasion of 2003 – has resulted in increased security and more insurgents killed and captured.

This is an outcome even those with no knowledge of military operations or of the situation in Iraq should have been able to predict.

During my time on the front lines in Iraq – which has been spent in some of the most kinetic areas that the country has to offer – I have had the opportunity to observe General Petraeus’s strategy from the ground level, and I have seen clear evidence of the strategy’s effects.

I have personally observed public clinics, in which coalition medics and doctors provided Iraqi tribesmen and villagers with a level of care that had been unheard of in this country-- even before the fall of Saddam Hussein. I have toured reconstruction sites being worked on by Iraqi contractors, and have ridden along in gun-truck escorts whose job is to protect these men as they work to rebuild their own country, while terrorists try not only to kill them, but to destroy any and all improvements they have managed to provide for their countrymen in infrastructure and quality of life.

I have sat in on meetings – both above-board and clandestine – with sheiks and tribal leaders, who want the coalition to help them help themselves and their people to achieve better and more secure lives, despite the fact that being seen consorting with the Americans immediately puts a price on each of these leaders’ heads; likewise, I have heard the concern voiced – more times than I can even count – that the coalition, which currently remains the sole source of stability and security in this country, will give in to the cries from home to abandon the Iraqi people to death, and will finally do so.  

I have participated in combat operations which were driven solely by intelligence provided by Iraqi citizens who knew of terrorist plots and personnel in the area and called the Americans to let them know; likewise, I, along with the soldiers whom I have covered, have had my life saved several times by tips from the Iraqi citizenry about Improvised Explosive Devices and ambushes put into place to kill us.  

The job is still far from complete. There remains a persistent terrorist population in Iraq, both foreign and homegrown.

In Samarra (and the surrounding desert), for example, where I spent the first half of September, the ranks of al Qaeda in Iraq – the number one (and only) enemy – are supplemented by fighters from Egypt, Syria, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, the Sudan, and even Bangladesh (there have also been rumors of Chechens and other central Asian insurgents in the area, as well). Rather than simply taking this terrorist presence lying down, though, many Iraqis – in Samarra, as well as in Baqubah, Fallujah, Ramadi, Salman Pak, Residents in Baghdad, and countless other areas – have shown amazing courage, not only by providing an ever-increasing amount of information to coalition forces regarding insurgent activity, but also by working to rebuild what the insurgents have destroyed and by putting their lives on the line to drive terrorists out of their own villages.

Much, much more of this must happen if Iraq is even to have a chance at a brighter future – but at this point, progress is inarguably being made.

Carpenter: Although Petraeus did recommend a slow drawdown of U.S. troops from Iraq, he said doing so any more quickly that he recommended could have "devastating consequences." What's your take on that?

EMAUEL: It’s absolutely true – and likely an understatement from a man who is both a consummate leader and, when necessary (like now, when he is almost certainly under pressure from the administration not to call for more forces out of fear of political reprisal) a smart follower.  

From my observations, there are actually still too few troops here to be effective in the long-term.

The actual combat troop strength currently in Iraq is, in reality, still far too low to clear, hold (secure), and build – the three pillars of counterinsurgency – the entire country (let alone to nation-build successfully, including leaving behind a functioning, autonomous government of any kind, democratic or otherwise).

Although Field Manual 3-24 (Gen. Petraeus’s treatise on Counterinsurgency) says that 20 soldiers for every 1,000 people – a ratio which, given the 27 million person population of Iraq, would demand that a staggering (and currently impossible) 540,000 U.S. troops be in Iraq at the same time – is an ideal number to successfully wage such an effort, the fact is that, in essence, fewer soldiers than it would take to fill up Washington, DC’s RFK Stadium (the actual percentage of the 140,000 total troops here in Iraq who are performing combat operations, as the majority of the soldiers here are support troops who rarely leave their Forward Operating Bases, or “FOBs”) have been asked to secure and patrol a nation the size of California, while also training Iraqi Security Forces and performing reconstruction projects.  

Further, of the units that are in Iraq, being grossly undermanned is the rule rather than the exception at this point. Southeast of Baghdad, for example, in the area around Salman Pak, two companies from the 3rd ID’s 1-15 Infantry (neither of which possesses a single platoon that is even ¾ manned) are responsible for securing a string of cities and villages up the Tigris River Valley to Baghdad, as well as for clearing and holding dozens of square kilometers of open agricultural land to the east – while also conducting clinics, holding meetings, refurbishing schools, training police, and conducting day and night patrols along the main roads to interdict terrorists and weapons bound to and from Baghdad. Further, mere Company-sized elements, like Samarra-based Charlie Co. 2-505 (from the 82nd Airborne), have been tasked with clearing, controlling, and policing great swaths of land – the size of which not even a battalion-sized element could patrol effectively – which include not only cities but massive hinterlands that can (and do) serve as perfect hideaways for terrorists and their materiel. In less populous areas, like the region of extreme northwestern Iraq near Tal Afar, where one Cavalry Squadron and one Special Forces team are the only coalition presence in a very large area, far more terrain must be covered by far fewer troops than could ever effectively clear and hold – let alone secure – it. 

These examples are much closer to the norm among units in Iraq than most realize. While the sheer number of soldiers that are present in Iraq may sound large, its effective combat footprint – when matched up against a map of Iraq – is frighteningly small. 

Carpenter: Tell me what U.S. reporters sitting on Capitol Hill don't report that you wish they would, or anything else that's on your mind.

EMANUEL: It’s not what they don’t report – it’s that they do attempt to report on events, developments, and actions of which they have no understanding and no firsthand knowledge. My good friend J.D. Johannes, who is a documentary filmmaker (as well as a former Marine and former staffer for the Kansas Republican Sen. Sam Brownback who works exclusively on the front lines in Iraq), put it best when he said that anybody who has never been to Iraq, is not in Iraq, and will never go to Iraq should be obligated to keep their opinions on the situation here to themselves.

While this is an extreme – and he meant it somewhat tongue-in-cheek when saying it – the fact is, the situation in Iraq is far more complex and fluid than any member of our fast-food, sound-byte culture at home currently grasps.

As a result, commentators across the spectrum consistently misreport and misrepresent events, developments, and the overall situation there, simply because they do not have access to – or the contextual knowledge to understand – the facts on the ground there. I have seen people who are trying to support the troops and the administration make glaring errors and hurt their cause more than they are helping it as those who are ideologically against the entire effort there.

For the sake of getting the facts correct, rather than simply gathering enough information (correct or not) to fill a brief sound-byte, ‘reporters’ and other journalists should either come here and get out to the battlefront to witness these events with their own eyes, or communicate with the miniscule number of us who do do that, before going to press or going on camera with only a fraction of the story which they are trying to report.

If you would like to read more of Emanuel’s reports, or find out more about his mission (which is 100% funded by reader donations), go to www.JeffEmanuel.com

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USMC Lt. 1:55am
Good luck to you. You and your fellow Marines are in my families' prayers. Be careful and come home safe.

Those of us at Home will do are best to tell the truth about our soldiers, support them, and call those like "Rockhead Robert, Rocky Jones" the treasonous b*st*rds they truly are.

Differenfe with Vietnam
A major problem with the war in Vietnam was we took an area--Pork Chop Hill, secured it, and withdraw back to Saigon. The enemy just moved back in. And then we went BACK and re-secured Pork Chop Hill, AGAIN, losing more young men all the time.

I don't want withdrawals if the "cleared" Iraqi areas aren't really secured by Iraqis themselves. Using the tribal structure is a smart way of addressing al Qaida and foreign mercenaries, as long as the tribes do not revert to former enmity and blood feud.

One enormous problem not faced at the fall of Saddam was there remained 30 years of horror and depredation Saddam and his Sunni minions inflicted on Kurds and Shi'ites, and those insults needed addressing through the honor system of blood feud.

When Bremer refused to use US troops to "police" the riot and disorder that greeted the liberation of Baghdad, he helped set up some the of tribal conflict that developed into the Mahdi militia and Sunni "insurgency."

Hopefully, the coalition is on a better track that will produce some form of dem. in the center of the Middle East, freedom for 24,000,000 Iraqis, a co-dem. for Israel and Lebanon, a bulwark against Iran's nuclear ambitions, and a more modern Muslim society as an example of tolerance and civility.

You gotta love the armchair generals
Lt. JT, Stay safe. We're waiting for you to come home. Hopefully sooner than we all thought. Lots of love from all of us.
Gray Ghost and RETSSGT, thank you for your words of support and prayers for my nephew.

Hey Warren, didn't you mention in another thread how much cheaper your dope is? It looks like you've already got hold of some since your comments here are just as DOPEY as ever. Maybe even more so.

Renny, We can only hope that Petraeus and the other commanders on the ground don't cave in to the cut, run and surrender know it alls in Congress and their boss Osama and start making the same mistakes as in Vietnam.
We can't afford to go thru that again.

Apollo, It sure must be nice to be able to sit in your basement and know more than the people that are actually on the ground over there.
I wish I was as smart as you so I could sit in my basement and second guess the people who actually know what they're talking about too.

Thank God for our TROOPS!
Love you guys! We were in DC on Saturday with the Gathering of Eagles to counter the anti-war crazies. We saw some great shirts there, "Fighting the Insurgency at Home" That should be our mission here at home. God bless you all, come home safe & Semper Fi from my husband a Vietnam Vet.

Add my thanks....
USMC Lt, I echo Gray Ghost thanks to our troops. I firmly believe a majority of Americans understand the importance of the Iraq war in terms of protecting the security of America. Liberals may sneer at our "fight them there or fight them here" claim, but we know it's true. We may be the "silent majority", but I believe those same silent majority believe those in the field a hell of a lot faster than some fat, power hungry, TV camera loving politician sitting on his fat A** in D.C.

Our military has my utmost respect and profound thanks for protecting us. Come home safe.

"FORWARD" - "FORWARD - MARCH!"
"FORWARD" - "FORWARD - MARCH!"

Fighting the Commies
To all of our Brave Soldiers in Iraq, Afghanistan and other theaters of operation. True Loyal Americans Support You and Love You for your Sacrifice. It is a shame you have two battles or two fronts, one over there (thank god the fighting is over there) and one back home fighting the Lying Socialist Commies who don't want America to win. Have you noticed that since the Commies can't speak about no progress on the ground, now they are Parroting the lack of progress Politically. It took years to write and put our System in Place. And the joke, that our Congress is grading the Iraqi Congress, is absolutely ridiculous. America didn't go into Nation Building, we went into Iraq to eliminate the threat of WMD getting into the hands of Terrorists. We found the WMD's in Iraq, contrary to what and how the U.N. defines WMD's. If we were to unleash our Military, then this job of Nation building as accomplished in Japan, S.Korea, and W. Germany wouldn't be so difficult. However, until we allow close the Iraqi borders and allow Iran & Syria to supply weapons and arms to kill Americans & Iraqis as well as the financing and training of these insurgents, the road will be longer and more drawn out. So, enough of the BS. Attack Iran, air only, no ground troops req'd, make them pay thru their nose and just maybe the Iranians themselves will despose their own Government for us. In one to two weeks, we can destroy Iran's Air Force, Military Bases, Training Facilities, Weapons, IED MFG Facilities, and Nuclear Facilities, and if necessary we should take out their Power & Water and Intrasturcture. It will take years to rebuild and the rest of the Middle East will have a better chance of Peace.

RETSSGT GOD BLESS PATRIOTS
__The hairless dogg is almost not worthy of wasting words on. I know that it is frustrating to read, and hear, the hollow words of those at war with this "Hallowed" Nation. They live, and breath, on the "Hallowed Ground" of patriots, that gave them the ability to do so. These are propaganda warriors engaged in their personal civil war. Armed with personal, self-love, passionately following their leaders. There is not an original thought, action, or defense of actions, among the bunch. The left draws only from the immediate talking points, mimicing their leaders. The say it loud, and say it often, tear in their eye propagandist. Remember when you learned about the detrimental affects of propaganda? We now see its infection in the people tooled according to propaganda.

NY(pile of )Dogg....
Call me a five-year old about to literally translate what your sorry asss continues to spew but...When has one single honorably serving soldier ever urinated on those who foot the bill? Not a one, unless they are Iraq vets against the war. That is who urinated on your tax dollars. Not to mention the Code pinkos talked about in MKH's column yesterday and whom I have seen in action.
You are one bitter SOB, for sure. So here, let's really have a dialogue.
Do you believe that terrorism is a threat? Does it even exist? Who are the terrorists? What is it we defend in Iraq? Why do you want war to end and besides the War, can you honestly give GWB credit for anything? Is our Country worth the fight to you? (If you are a New Yorker, I think I 'd like to send you a few 9/11 survivors to chat with you about what you take for granted. Got any kids? if you do , you are taking them for granted...)I'll be waiting for some thoughtful answers...and before you tell me I should join the fight, I am a veteran who would never dream of pissing on a COuntry as Great as ours, including those who wish to see it's demise.

Phylo
Would you dodge the draft? I'm curious to know. You have BDS and nothing anyone in his administration does or will do can please someone like you. So, if he did institute a draft, would you dodge it...

renny - er, ''Pork Chop Hill''...
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...was (and still is) in Korea. Unless you extend the Vietnamese border *way* to hellangone north of Japan, you're not talking about "the war in Vietnam" at all.

And Hill 255 (labeled "Pork Chop" for its shape on the terrain maps of the Iron Triangle) was a company-strength outpost on the main line of resistance (MLR) held by the U.S. 7th Infantry Division.

The fighting for this position during the Spring and Summer of 1953 was *not* representative of the attritional warfare methods used in Vietnam (where the objective wasn't to secure terrain, but rather - on our side - to destroy enemy forces).

The value of such outposts is to maintain an "in depth" defense on a battlefield where two opposing armies are in direct confrontation along a relativly static front.

With a flanking outpost (on Hill 266, "Old Baldy") firmly in Chinese hands, Pork Chop Hill became operationally untenable in spite of successful efforts to re-take the position, and it was sensibly decided to abandon the hill.

You appear to have seen the movie, and confused it with a later film, *Hamburger Hill* (1987).

Instead of relying on Hollywood, why not read a little? See
http://www.historynet.com/magazines/military_history/3034286.html
...for a good brief account of the fighting in the Iron Triangle sector (1952-53), or, better yet, read S.L.A. Marshall's excellent contemporary account, *Pork Chop Hill* (1956), upon which the movie was based.

If you're going to try to speak about the war in Iraq on the basis of Lessons Learned in past military history, try to look as if you're not as complete an ignoramus as you obviously are.


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"The more you read and learn, the less your adversary will know."

..-- Sun Tzu

NYC Dogg
Your statement to the honorable Lt USMC:
"Calling the Times liberal is like calling you a real warrior" is an interesting perspective.

Since the NYT is repeatedly guilty of carrying the water for the liberals (one example: the MoveOn.org ad for half price) what this statement says is that indeed Lt USMC IS a REAL WARRIOR.

Gosh, who'd a thunk it that you'd actually say something nice to one of our soldiers? Back-handed compliment though it obviously is.

BTW: Would it be too much to ask that just ONCE you made a post without some b@stardization of the poster's screen name? It's a small thing, but I guess you'd rather generate anger and responses-in-kind to your pot-stirring posts.

Your agenda is transparent. When you get your desired response you can pat yourself on the back while pointing out what nasty people the TH bloggers are when they respond to you in-kind.

I know this is spitting into the wind, but I just wanted to thank you for actually recognizing that Lt USMC and his fellow soldiers in Iraq are REAL WARRIORS."

USMC Lt
You make us PROUD! Stay safe while completing your mission. You have my gratitude and support!

Okay, I'll answer those
1. Terrorism is a threat and it has been for 30 years and 9/11 was proof that we let the perps get away with their attacks for far too long.
2. So, essentially, the Marine Corp Barracks in Lebanon, the Kobar Towers, USS Cole and The towers in 93 was just faulty reporting...faulty intelligence. They were not terrists set out to dstroy the people that called themselves Americans,right?
3. Every war is unjust in some way, and we don't wakeup as military peeps and say let's go kill innocents like you imply. Please go read Mike Yon and get some reality on this.
4. President Clinton let Bin Laden get away too, and if GWB's hands weren't tied tot he democrats ROE and cut and run strategy we might be kicking asss. Those 3153 COMBAT deaths were soldiers who volunteered to take the risk and then paid the ultimate sacrifice. No one took Navy SEALs lives' of Axelson, Dietz, Murphy or Lee. Thye gladly gave it up for their Country and the belief that Freedom isn't free.Someone had to have the balls to stand up to AQ.
5. I suppose you'd like your children to speak Farsi(Iranian) or perhaps Arabic...I am not willing to withstand another attack on this Country because people like you believe that terror is a silly little game. I want my kids and their kids to speak English in 50 years.

ApolloSpeaks - Important perception
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A.S. said:

"The 'Anbar Awakening'...is not translating into political progress in reconciling Sunni and Shia. Because the Shiite lead government in Baghdad was indifferent to Sunni pleas for help in their struggle with Al Qaida Sunni distrust with the government and hatred of Maliki is greater than ever. As Al Qaida is being beaten in Iraq the unstoppable partioning of the country continues."

While Iraq has never really been a country (but rather a confabulation consisting of three former vilâyets of the old Ottoman Empire, devised by Gertrude Bell and Winston Churchill in 1919-20 to ensure British control over the proven oil fields of Mosul [in the north] and the potential oil fields of Basra [in the south]), the partition of this Churchillian dog's breakfast is not as inevitable as you like to think.

First, though the Sunni Arabs are being "ethnically cleansed" from the central vilâyet of Baghdad, there's not a hound's chance in hell that this oil-less central area either can or will go it on its own; there are too many Shia Arabs inhabiting the eastern part of the vilâyet, and the western portion - Anbar province in particular - consists largely of wastelands.

So overwelming a percentage of the Sunni Arab population of Saddam Hussein's Iraq were essentially dependent upon Ba'ath Party plunder that they cannot survive in a "de-Ba'athified" country. They were economically useless bureaucrats and thugs and government goons, and good riddance to them.

That leaves the Shia Arabs in Basra and Baghdad, in a mutually beneficial "live-and-let-live" arrangement with a largely Sunni population (mostly Kurdish) in Mosul. Why should they *bother* to break up?



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"Democracy consists of choosing your dictators, after they've told you what you think it is you want to hear."

..-- Alan Coren



Part two for dog pile
Seems you ignored the question about kids? Why? Did patriot make you think? Do you care about the idea that there are schools in NY teaching Islam, the religion of Peace to the kids who will somewhere along the way find yours?
The families of 9/11 are fools if they think that this was an inside job. They are kidding themselves if they think diplomacy is the answer. And, I beg to differ that the left doesn't want to see the demise of Our Country. Where was the NYT integrity when they shouldhave sent Moveon packing while denigrating a General leading the troops? Who are the people that call Bush a "Nazi" and get away with it? Tell me that, oh wise NY with the 9/10 attitude
Go back under your rock and the rest of have your back, or click my blog and learn about Islamberg, NY and tell me I make too much of Terror.

nyc DOGG
yeah so your saying our soilders go out of their way to kill women and children? can you prove that give me more than one example of us solders doing that.

and what about the stores of the so call terrorist in iraq killing children just to get the parents to listen. i know they have beheaded some of them and there are rumors of them cooking children and forceing the childrens family to eat them.

and why dont you care that iraq shot at american even if they were flying for the un it was a violation of the gulf war cease fire agreement which was all the justificaiton we needed to go after sadam.

one last question what is a real warrior to you?

ps bush didnt divide amercia the leftist who are mad he won in 2000 did.

Wait A Minute!
This column is TOTALLY at odds with Moron.Org, Shillary and other Liberals. That means that Moron.org, Shillary are TYPICAL LIBERALS, LIARS< CHEATS and COWARDS. Much like Warren, Phylo and NYC HOGG!

To all soldiers in this post, God Bless and Keep You! Keep your Tail Down and Your Powder Dry!

TEA LEAVES
Phylo Se Fizer

DRUGS - DRUGS - MORE DRUGS
So goes the Libo-left's ability to mind read.

Between tokes a beautiful blond brought me to a tea room in Times Square that includ3ed fortune tellers. After reading my palm and tea leaves the fortune teller said "You want to have sex with that woman!" "You won't!" That was the last time I ever went to a fortune teller.

RETSSGT -- *Poetic*?
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Said RETSSGT:

"That was almost poetic! Right along the lines of great post."

Regarding my correction of a Confused Wool's allocation of the battles around Pork Chop Hill (1952-53) in Korea with the war in Vietnam, I'm just sick unto death of reading comments written by people who have no goddam idea whatsoever about what they're addressing.

And in order to hunt-and-peck their garbage into these "Comments" boxes, they have to be connected to the Internet, a conduit that makes possible their instant access to multiple reliable sources of information.

If they're going to take the time an trouble to voice their opinions, why the hell don't they take the trouble to ensure that their opinions are at least minimally informed?



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"The first time I was a drill instructor I was too inexperienced for the job — the things I taught those lads must have got some of them killed. War is too serious a matter to be taught by the inexperienced."

..-- Robert A. Heinlein

Sorry dogg Pile
You speak as if we were evil over in Lebanon and anywhere else. Wow, I should be stunned, but I am not. You are a f-ing truther and there is no talking to a fool...
As for balming the democrats, well, I can blame the MSM, too. They sit in wait for all the things that can and do happen in war and then take the info an twist and turn it to meet the political need of their party. Do you see the right denigrating people in general, or the president? Do you?
Marcus Luttrell, a Navy SEAL went on a mission and when confronted from above a fighting position by a goat herder, (whom I personlly believe he should have taken out), they discussed how the media would paint them!
In a f-ing war zone! Needless to say they let them go and were subsequently attacked on the mountain. The Sheik they were after was behind the ambush. Luttrell's fellow SEAL team members died as a result. Can you say politically correct? Can you say Reid, Pelosi, Kucinich, Murtha,Lantos?
You ignored the question by PatriotDefender. Do you have children? Does their safety matter? Maybe Grandchildren? Ah well. We'll see what more complacency gets, won't we? (God forbid)
And stop insulting the military here, you loser. You know nothing of RETSSGT's service.

NYC DOGG aka hairless dogg
__You question Bman1's spirituality with these words, "You talk of Godlessness, but you offer no proof of your own spirituality - other than your seeming hatred of those who disagree with you..." I will give you the proof with these words, Bman1 IS CORRECT! His words reflect the Word you missed, and there is proof in the Words message. I know for a fact, that you speak from denial of the Word, has you only speak from the heart of self. You are an empty person. You have allowed self passion be the fulfillment of your life. I tell you this with the proof of a nation that rose to greatness through the sweat, and blood, of people like Bman1. Citizens of America,united, who lived, and died as one. Unlike those of self, who live for self, and died alone. You play taps every time you post.

As Blarney would say,
Clearly George W. Bush stole the 2000 elections. It puzzles me why the NYT would agree that even if the endless recounts in Florida had continued, Bush would still have won Florida. I guess they figured it wouldn't hurt once the outrage about the the Supreme Court stopping the recounts had fully flowered. And, thankfully, not many people read that particular article anyway.
But having begun in thievery, how could anyopne be surprised that he leapt upon a true tragedy as a flimsy excuse to attack an innocent nation? Bush rushed to war with Iraq, barely waiting two years to depose a benevolent ruler like Saddam Hussein. He did that just to get their oil.
It's all about oil. Everybody knows that.

NYC DOGG loves America
He just hates those who have the character, courage, and conviction to stand up and defend the America he cherishes so dearly. Why you ask? Because those are the very traits he wishes he possessed but is all too aware that deep down, he is a coward. He hates those that represent what he wishes he could be. Well, that or maybe Grandpa fondled him or something. Who knows???

Time to Clean UP America
I would love for our Heroes today and past to be able to visit with these lefty socialist commies in person. It would clean up America pretty quick, and just maybe we might save it from Socialism & Oppression.

Can I add some names to the List. MSM, MSM, MSM, NEA, ACLU, Activist Looney Judges, Most Lawyers, Demonrats Legislatures everywhere, Union Bosses, George Soros, Michael Moore, Jane Fonda, Alec Baldwin, Danny Glover, Cindy Sheehan, Feminisazis, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Murtha, Feinstein, Schumer, Kennedy, Barbara Streisand, Dixie Chicks. Oh well, I could be listing Commie Traitors from now till next election and still wouldn't hardly touch the tip of the ice berg. Some one needs to put an official list together somewhere, any ideas.

As a military member
My question goes to NYC Dogg about an earlier post where essentially he accused the military men and women of pissing on the populace for fighting in an "unpopular" war. I'm just trying to follow the logic of us following orders by political leadership puts us in the position of being the bad guys. And in as far as backhandedly calling us baby killers screw you..... I may fight for your right to say it but I don't have to agree with it.

Space
Right on!

Don't buy it
Just curious - how do we know this guy is truly "embedded" in the "Surge"? Do we take the word of the same people who believe that there are WMD in Iraq and that the Iraqi people were somehow responsible for the 9/11 attacks?

So you think
The Republicans stole the election in 2000 and 2004? If I follow your logic it is apparently an easy thing to do. Why havent you been able to figure out that it is so easy that the elephants can steal it again in 2008?
You see the problem with liberals is that everything they've been told, everything they read and everything they see on TV is wrong.
For the most part they even bought into the whole WMD thing. It's a little too easy.
Hey Liberals Iran has WMD lets go get them!! Are you with us?

talisman
That was a joke right?

NYC DOGG is right
for the first time ever. I'm feeling pretty good right now!!!

apoplectic
As well you should be!

"By any means necessary - Communism!"
I have been receiving all this MoveOn.Org information that has been bandied about. I get a 3 million here and a 30 million there and that MoveOn.Org owns the once noble Democratic Party. As Georbels would agree if you say 30 million dollars enough times people will think you got 30 mill. The big secret of HollyWood land is the unaudited numbers that make the press and internet URL's that track the film industry. Only when the stockholders and the SEC come into focus is there FICA scrutiny of the numbers. So it is with MoveOn.Org with all these numbers flying about when the one truism is George Soros there to pay the rent and lightbill. Without an independent accounting firm doing the analysis these turkeys can gobble anything they want and break no laws. Lenin's rule: "By any means necessary - Communism!"

Phylo Translator
In case you don't speak Dummocrat very good, here's a translation into English Phylo's 9:19 AM post:

"LALALA! I CAN'T HEAR YOU! LALALA!"

To Phylo and the rest of her Klinton Klux Klan-loving America-hating sissified kooky commie friends, it doesn't matter what the facts are. Facts are meaningless. Only fostering their hatred for Republicans, the military, and the United States are all that matters.

RE: NYC DOGG
NYC DOGG wrote:
Calling the Times liberal is like calling you a real warrior - wrong on both counts.

....

There you have it. IRREFUTABLE and UNDENIABLE proof that NYC DOGG is far to stupid to be capable of casting a responsible vote.

Oh, it gets even better!!
DOGG wrote:
Of course terrorism is a threat - but not enough of a threat to invade an innocent country.

....

Why not ask the 500,000 men, women, and children that Saddam tortured and killed over the past decade how "innocent" he was. Oh, wait, you can't. They're DEAD!

Seriously, please tell me you're just PRETENDING to be so monumentally stupid. Otherwise, I'd have to say you might need to up your dosage of meds. A lot.

NYC DOGG, yes you DO hate this nation
DOGG spewed:
I can't speak for others, but I don't hate America.

......

In fact you DO hate this country, and that is a DEMONSTRABLE FACT.

You see, a nation is more than a piece of real estate and/or a collection of benefits you are allowed to exploit while on that real estate. It is a collection of ideologies and a collection of responsibilities to protected those ideologies.

You, like your America-hating kooky commie friends -- have REPEATEDLY explained how you HATE those ideologies, and that you are unwilling to honor those responsibilities.

I'm sure you love all the benefits of living in the wealthiest and most powerful nation on Earth, you, like your little friends, have been supporting the downfall of the very ideas that make this nation. You are the dictionary definition of someone who HATES this country.

I Love this country but


First He Says:
The mission tempo is far too high for people to care about these things, or to even have time to watch or think about them. The daily cycle is wake up, go out into sector and try to stay alive (and to kill bad guys) while trying to work with the people of Iraq to move forward, make it back to the base safely, eat, go back out into sector on another mission, come back, eat again, sleep, and repeat. It’s far more exhausting than any who enjoy the cushy American lifestyle will likely ever understand.
He is right; I cannot imagine the difficulty the soldiers face. And their willingness to do so, their dedication, indeed everything about our soldiers screams…GOOD AND DECENT. But what does his comment say about progress, real tangible PERMANENT progress? Nada. It makes us feel good, proud, and indebted to our young men and women…fills space in the interview…and emotionally lubricates us for the rest. I do not suggest he is intentionally manipulative. But setting up the piece with this patriotic feeling generating proclamation does impact one’s subsequent reading of the rest.
Next she asks him about Anbar. He answers that Anbar is “one small part of the story”, implying strongly that he is about to launch into a laundry list of other achievements.
What I expected here was a list of anecdotes (clinics, reconstruction, etc….its like me stating that my neighbors house sold and therefore the real estate market has turned). We see “soldiers pass out Snickers bars on street” stories all the time. Touching, a great reflection on the troop’s humanity, but evidence of progress they are not.
Worse though, he does share some anecdotes, but actually does nothing more then restating that there was progress in Anbar. This drives me nuts, when a person reacts to something and says “Oh but its better then that” and then proceeds to loquaciously restate the exact same thing the questioner asked from the beginning, as if verbosity makes the things somehow….MORE.






I lOve this country part 2
Then he says:
From my observations, there are actually still too few troops here to be effective in the long-term.
It is mutually exclusive…sorry…that we are making big progress (with the current surged troop level) but we need more troops to make permanent progress. THIS IS THE CRUX! It’s like a balloon. Squeeze one side and the other bulges. We are bragging because the squeezed side is smaller and calling it progress, but then saying we need a bunch more hands to squeeze both sides at the same time. In a balloon, once released, the air equalizes again, returning from where it had been squeezed out.
Also, what is progress if it isn’t permanent? You cannot call that progress…it is just not honest. If we cannot achieve permanent results without more men, and we do not have those “more men” there at this moment, it is intellectually dishonest to say we have progress.


PART 3
Then he says of the media:
As a result, commentators across the spectrum consistently misreport and misrepresent events, developments, and the overall situation there, simply because they do not have access to – or the contextual knowledge to understand – the facts on the ground there. I have seen people who are trying to support the troops and the administration make glaring errors and hurt their cause more than they are helping it as those who are ideologically against the entire effort there.
This is one of my favorites. We are not making progress because we are not reporting progress. What a crock. I agree the media is biased, totally, and do report the negative and even omit the story of the text books and candy bars. But BOTH are news. When a report says “34 dies in suicide bomb”, or IED kills 7 US soldiers”, where is the bias? What CONTEXT is there for Pete’s sake? I am aware of the fake reports and leading stories from liars, but most reports I hear are like the examples I just gave. And he wants to tell me I don’t understand the fluidity of the matter? How patronizing is that? Reminds me of the joke that says, “there was a car wreck, 6 were killed, 5 seriously” Gee Whiz the mental gymnastics I realize I was even performing

PART 4 and last
He says
For the sake of getting the facts correct, rather than simply gathering enough information (correct or not) to fill a brief sound-byte, ‘reporters’ and other journalists should either come here and get out to the battlefront to witness these events with their own eyes, or communicate with the miniscule number of us who do do that, before going to press or going on camera with only a fraction of the story which they are trying to report.

What bravado! The only fraction that applies to a simple body count is, if more deaths actually occur, the reporter reported a fraction of the actual. IT DOESN’T MATTER if Sunni killed Shia or whatever the heck Maliki said about it, or if we flushed them out of a Mosque last week or indeed any back story. I as a conservative Republican, and I will compare conservative bonafides with the most right wing on this site, I am embarrassed with the solipsistic nature of the discourse on Iraq.





conservativation and...
...the scrambled logic of a liberal medicated with a life long dose of the sky is falling. Kind of sounds like your mired in the swamp of IF. I tell you what, its time to get out of the vessel, while you still can. Your going to get wet, but the swamp is shallow, and its only a short walk to dry land, on your right.

to all our Military
Kudos on the job you are doing in Iraq. We are proud of you, support the job you are doing and love everyone of you.

I'm sorry that we are having to fight Congress tooth and nail to get you the troop strength and supplies you need. We will keep hounding our Congressmen.

lol, I thought I was going to get to be the one who informed renny that Pork Chop Hill was in Korea. I know today's generation gets their 'history' from movies and their 'news' from The Daily Show, but sheeeeesh, they could at least quote the right movie to make a point.

Yeah Amanda and there are WMD in Iraq
At what point after the continued lies and fabrications do the mindless accept reality?

Hey murder in the suburbs has decreased from 2 to 1, so that means in EVERY city murder is down 100%!!! Yaaaaaaaaaay! Did you point out that the Pentagon changed their "death counts" to exclude those killed by car bombs? Imagine death counts going down!!!

As a person who grew up in the Military and lost 2 Uncles in Vietnam, I find it increasingly alarming that you spend all this time rationalizing a fabricated War.

When you grow up in the Military you know a whole lot of Soldiers (heck my Dad was at CGSC back in the day with Gen. Petreus at Leavenworth)and you truly care about the men, women and children affected. My Cousin is just now on his way to his 3rd tour. He is a fine American and quality human being, but this 3rd tour in 4 years has pushed him over the edge...

So how does the GOP support the Military? Here's the news of today...

Senate Republicans blocked a plan on Wednesday to give U.S. troops in Iraq more home leave.
The measure to give troops as much rest time at home as they spent on their most recent tour overseas needed 60 votes to pass in the Democratic-controlled Senate; it received just 56 votes, with 44 against.

Repubtards...You can lead a man to knowledge but you can't make him think.

for USMC Lt.
USMC Lt. asks: "I'm sure you know more than Amanda, don't you?And you definitely know more than Jeff Emanual who's on the front likes with our boys, don't you?"

Speaking only for myself (not Robert), I said long ago that the Bush/Rumsfeld counterinsurgency in Iraq CANNOT be successful with a force ratio of only 1 U.S. soldier for every 150+ civilians. And that's exactly what Jeff Emanuel is admitting to.

Petraeus' own counterinsurgency manual, Field Manual 3-24, WHICH HE WROTE, recommends a force ratio of 1 soldier for every 50 civilians. For Iraq, a country of 26 million, that would work out to some 520,000 U.S. troops.

http://tinyurl.com/3chyk9

BTW, even before Petraeus, the RAND Corporation had done a historical study of past successful and unsuccessful military occupations. And their conclusion was that the minimum force ratio to be successful was 1:50. Which just happens to be EXACTLY what Petraeus had concluded independently himself!

http://tinyurl.com/2boc8

What did Bush & Rumsfeld do? They sent less than 1 U.S. soldier for every 150 Iraqi civilians, which is only about ONE-THIRD the ratio that both Petraeus and RAND recommended.

And THAT is why the U.S. is failing in Iraq. The deciding factor in any military occupation is NOT willpower, NOT patriotism, and NOT superior technology. It's the sheer number of troops you flood the country with.

And the U.S. didn't send enough.

From the Article...
"I have heard the concern voiced – more times than I can even count – that the coalition, which currently remains the sole source of stability and security in this country, will give in to the cries from home to abandon the Iraqi people to death, and will finally do so."

LET'S FACE THE FACTS. The only reason we are still in Iraq is because the TRAITORS among us like phylo out of his mind & dogg sh*t continue to encourage the enemy. They are responsible for the deaths of many of our troops and countless Iraqis.

These people need to be dealt with! They should be arrested and charged under the sedition laws. Inasmuch as that is not likely, maybe it is time for the vigilantyism that tamed the West to reappear and do a little "pink scum" clean-up!

These people are truly dispicable. They hate the U.S., they hate the troops, they hate the president and if we suddenly pull out and a million or so Iraqis are murdered; well, that's no skin off THEIR nose. It would be just one more thing to blame GW for.

wally
Who is going to murder a million Iraqis? I just the other night read one TH blogger say we should nuke them all, what gives?

Response
>"I have heard the concern voiced – more times than I can even count – that the coalition, which currently remains the sole source of stability and security in this country<

I can only assume that Emmanuel doesn't consider the autonomous region of Kurdistan part of the country, since the coalition forces do not provide security for the region, nor are they a source of stability.

USMC LT
Good luck to you and Emmanuel, and all who serve, thanks?

Yeah, Phylo, Warren, you are so believable, you have you lay it all on the line you rough, tough keyboard rangers.


Great interview
This is one of the most nuanced assessments of events on the ground that I've read. Bravo.


More lefty BS points
Talkingpointsnotbrains wrote:
"So how does the GOP support the Military? Here's the news of today...

Senate Republicans blocked a plan on Wednesday to give U.S. troops in Iraq more home leave.
The measure to give troops as much rest time at home as they spent on their most recent tour overseas needed 60 votes to pass in the Democratic-controlled Senate; it received just 56 votes, with 44 against."


So tell me Mr. Talingpoints,
Exactly how would the bill that was blocked today be any advantage to the troops?
Marines have a 7 month tour in country, then they're rotated out for a short time. The Army has an average in country tour of A YEAR before they're rotated out.
Tell us all genius, HOW would it help things to have a Marine spend his seven months in Iraq and then come home for seven months of inactivity. Or better yet, how would it help a soldier to serve for a year then come home for a year?

I'm know the answer but I won't give it(and please, you other intelligent people, don't you answer the question for this genius) until after I get your answer, just to make sure you don't try to claim any part of my answer as your own.

More Than Emmanual
I don't know more then him. I do know how to read. He didn't SAY anything folks. Whoever it was above that said I was in a liberal swamp blah blah is full of it. There is no "sky is falling" aspect to these observations. I rabidly supported the war, even the "after war", and Rumsfeld et al. But I've been hearing the same claims now for too long..even the one about needing patience.
Homeland Security say we will be attacked here anyway, when not if, so that negates the "fight there or fight here" argument
Stagnating Iran is better done with troops on a base, not walking around Baghdad. Iran is a FAR bigger threat, big picture. With 500,000 troops in Iraq we could make it safe...2 years later we leave, its chaos again...
We train a soldier in 6 weeks, we've been training their army for years.
Help those who help themselves...a wise man said.

conservativation
We train a soldier in 6 weeks, we've been training their army for years.

Spoken like a true armchair General. How many of our senior officers and NCO's have been in the military for 6 weeks? How many have only been in less than 5 years? How well do you think our military would perform if the senior leadership had less than 5 years in? Most midlevel officers and NCO's have more time in than that. That liberal line it just another stupid statement from those without a clue. If you're not a liberal, then you might think twice before using their rhetoric.

con-man
1. The war with Iran is well under way and began when we sunk a N. Korea freighter just before it entered Iranian waters. We had no choice as it was carrying nuclear material.
2. Our military should never be subject to the whims and fancies of Congress. The Generals will tell us who goes where and when. This latest attempt to strip the Army of its Brigades when they are so badly needed was foolhardy and was nothing more than an attempt to lose this war as fast as possible. It is and has always been shameful to attempt such callous and dangerous policies just for selfish political purposes.
3. You forget in your calculations that Iraq also has an Army so your ratios are all wrong!
4. The point was that you don’t know what’s going on and neither do I and the best we can hope for is the testimony of those that are there. Don’t second guess them.


apoplectic
We aren't training (ostensibly) Iraqi generals friend, we are training soldiers. Please read the way we report the progress. We do not hear Pentagon updates stating how many generals we've trained, we hear divisions, or tens of thousands....those are NOT generals. If we need 150,000 US troops to train just the Iraqi generals, it would take millions then to train the Iraqi army. Read, breath, maybe make some notes, relax, then react. It is sophomoric to dismiss me as liberal...doesn't it bother you when liberals dismiss you as "just a conservative"? Your invective has about as much content as theirs.
It is an irrelevant attack calling me an armchair general regarding this matter. That is just thick of you...period. I'm not trying to run a war, control our troop movements, suggest equipment, deploy to different locations, or do or say ANYthing our superior military leadership does...I would not consider it.
You sir have no clue, my point stands.
Hellernot, never claimed to know whats going on. And the level of detail you imply with that remark is not needed. Anecdotes are emotional debate points, I do not want more anecdotes.

Someone needs better writing skills
I could not find a point of contention in you posting to argue with.

conservativation writes: Thursday, September, 20, 2007 3:00 PM
apoplectic
We aren't training (ostensibly) Iraqi generals friend,

But, some may not understand what you poorly stated. The statistics on training you mentioned do not include Generals and lower ranking officers attending courses of instruction that may take years to complete. The average reader may not knnow the extra time and effort that goes into training the officer corps of a friendly nation. Yes you are right, 6 weeks of training is time enough to train a grunt, but I have never heard of an officer whose education ended when he left the acadamy.

Me, personaly, is have over three years of attendance in military courses of instruction, beyond boot camp. In the class romm instruction I have provided I have had officers as high as O5.

Please remember that the civilians, on the mean, know only what they have been told.

ET1
I don't need a course in writing, I do just fine 99% of the time. You are correct here though, it was poorly stated, though I have to spend a few moments wondering why you felt the need to point that out.
To be fair, I was addressing one comment directly, and not writing to the crowd as it were. Nevertheless, you haven't added much to my points anyway.
I realize officer training takes a very long time, some of it though ultimately is OJT. Regardless, the bulk of our soldiers involved in training, are training grunts. We could train Iraqi officers outside of Iraq if we chose to, or inside our local bases. The point is, using training and the Iraqi's ability to "stand alone" is becoming a tired mantra as a major war continuation talking point. However, refutation of that point alone does not a withdrawal case make.
Logically though, each and every point that I subscribed to until about the last 12 months, as a Republican and Bush supporter, can be refuted deftly.
Had to toss in a comment about your sentence that says, "Me personally, is have over three years...etc." Best to proof your comment before you admonish another's writing friend.
Finally, the "pro-stay" points are no more based on anything civilians vs. military know then the "pro-go" points. The civilian debate is held in the macro.
But whenever I see a soldier or leader dragged in to give us a glimpse of what is happening "on the ground" (another worn out phrase) I get anecdotes, or a restatement of what we uninformed already know.
The liberals didn't win the debate on Iraq, the administration lost it.

In case your still around
On Christmas Day 1970 I wrote a letter to my parents from Phu Bai. I told how well everything was going---because it was. During my year there we put together so much intelligence on the Soviet and Chinese military capabilities that it seemed almost incredible. Weapons and weapon systems, artillery, mines, medicines, tanks, even tactics and supply capabilities and the list is endless. Our Generals would take pictures of themselves sitting on the latest Soviet tank and mail a copy of the picture with a thank you letter to their Soviet counterpart.

We laid a solid foundation, regardless of what happened to Viet Nam, so we could win a much bigger prize---The Cold War.

I guess what I’m trying to say is that we get so emotional talking about what is or is not going on in Iraq that we completely miss the bigger picture and the bigger picture is MUCH more important.

Get'in better last throes cake walk Yea!
"I have seen people who are trying to support the troops and the administration make glaring errors."

Is the error not making happy talk and attacking anti-war proponents properly?

Its debatable but political reconciliation may never happen. Debate how to solve that, but don't pretend its going good; that’s how we wasted 6 years, HAPPY TALK.

We’re wasting our lives & money we need for a bigger, larger and longer battle. So what happens when the surge ends next summer because it must! We don't have the troops. I hope I'm wrong. DRAFT NOW!

Sadly Bush’s swagger this week is not from better news in Iraq but from the Republicans making political hay with MoveON and getting all righteous & indignant. Its sick to use the military for political debate.

Only republicans understand: Morals, Military, Security and Religion is really idiotic. The vote to denounce MoveOn & Fox coverage today was disgusting, basically calling democrats & MoveOn traitors. That’s OK & going to win the WAR?

WHY ARE YOU FOR THE WAR? There’s noble optimistic patriotic motives, but than there are the other things: No bid security contracts, Halliburton, Exxon's record profits and the GOP / Bush consolidated a LOT OF POWER (at first). Than there’s HATE for any thing the Dems are for.

Sadly the Dems & Republicans have no courage and both have betrayed us. The idea we take the Mid East now or never is retarded. The MID EAST, Islam is not compatible with the West. Make Afghanistan the shiny democracy in the Mid East, not Iraq (with the oil).

We wasted 6 years. We could have improved our security & defenses and got off foreign oil (or at least started). Now we have budget issues, down 1/2 Trillion and 3,800 dead and 10's of thousands seriously wounded. WAR Is going so good, last Throes, Cake walk, not even 6 months more...........Right.
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