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Wednesday, September 05, 2007
Amanda Carpenter :: Townhall.com Columnist
Kingmakers Eye Thompson
by Amanda Carpenter
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Fred Thompson’s forthcoming announcement that he will seek the Republican nomination for President will push pollsters and conservative kingmakers to increase their scrutiny of the former Tennessee senator.

As an unofficial candidate Thompson dominated polls throughout the summer season of presidential campaigning. A September 5 Rasmussen poll found Thompson polling 23% among likely Republican primary voters. Thompson was only a point behind Republican front-runner Rudy Giuliani.

When asked if Thompson could be expected to receive a typical poll increase immediately after he announces his candidacy, president of Rasmussen Reports Scott Rasmussen said, “Thompson has been telling us he was going to announce for a long time, he’s been included in all the polls so I don’t know if we’re going to see as much as an impact from him as we did the others.”

“There are four people who are in double digits in the Republican race,” Rasmussen said. “All that Rudy Giuliani outpolls is the undecided category. So the undecideds are certainly going to be in play.”

As an unofficial candidate testing the waters for a national campaign, Thompson courted conservative-leaning groups, reportedly raised about $5 million and made a smattering of policy speeches.

Mike Franc, vice president of Government Relations at The Heritage Foundation said, “Thompson is entering the race with a proud conservative identity.”

“It’s not as if he is coming from center or left of center on the Republican spectrum. He’s yet another strong, articulate spokesman for conservative ideas and values and that can’t be bad for the movement,” said Franc.

Townhall.com spoke with a trio of advocacy groups that work to lower taxes about their perception of Thompson thus far.

President of Americans for Tax Reform Grover Norquist said he has asked repeatedly for Thompson to pledge not to raise taxes both as a U.S. senator and as a presidential candidate. Thompson has done neither. “We would like him to take the pledge,” Norquist said. “And unlike [John] McCain, he [Thompson] did not take it when he was a senator.”

Matt Kibbe, president of FreedomWorks said, “So far, it seems like Thompson is more willing to talk about real entitlement reforms based on personal accounts and ownership. Ownership is a good litmus test for whether a candidate is truly pro-growth and willing to stand up to the tax-and-redistribution Democrats who control congress.”

Pat Toomey, president of Club for Growth said, “Fred Thompson’s formal entry into the race marks the beginning of phase two. The big story of phase one was the collapse of McCain,” Toomey said. “In phase two, it’s largely about whether or not Thompson can meet the very high expectations that have been set for him.” The Club for Growth will distribute a “white paper” on Thompson’s record on taxes shortly after his Thursday announcement.

Earlier this year, media reports surfaced that said Thompson had lobbied for an abortion rights group after he left the Senate that caused an intense debate in the blogosphere over Thompson’s conservative bona fides.

Editor of Redstate.com Erick Erickson applauded Thompson’s record on social issues. “If we assume that McCain is done, that leaves a pro-choice candidate [Giuliani] and a pro-life by convenience candidate [Mitt Romney] running for the nomination,” Erickson wrote in an email. “Of Giuliani, Romney, and Fred, Fred is the only one with a 100% pro-life record in elective office.”

The former Tennessee senator will officially declare his candidacy on September 6, a day after the September 5 Fox News Republican presidential debate in New Hampshire.

Instead of appearing alongside the declared candidates, Thompson has purchased a television advertisement to preview his next-day announcement that will air during the debate. In the ad Thompson says: “On the next President’s watch our country will make decisions that will affect our lives and our families far into the future. We can’t allow ourselves to become a weaker, less prosperous and more divided nation. Today, as before, the fate of millions across the world depends upon the unity and resolve of the American people. I talk about this tomorrow on Fred08.com. I invite you to take a look and join us.”

Thompson will also make an appearance on NBC’s “Tonight Show” with Jay Leno late Wednesday evening, after the Fox News debate has finished.

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"Kingmakers Eye Thompson"
Who are the king makers? CFR?

Rudy is a front runner?

Fred who? Oh ya thats right, lobbyist, pro gun control, CFR member Fred Thompson. Forgot who he is.

Maybe he will be on the debate tonight? Oh, thats right he will be on Jay Leno's Tonight Show instead.


Fred08
As a poster in his website (imwithfred.com) wrote:

"Do you hear that? It's the low rumbling of the 'silent majority' getting ready to roar for the next President of the United States of America!"

Go Fred Go!


Measuring Success
Apart from the you and God test, one of the best measures of success is the level of your enemies. Now that Fred Thompson is in, the hit pieces are beginning to stack up. Case in point, check out the AP story available on FoxNews.com about Thompson's change in strategy. From reading the article, you'd think Fred was a goner.

Perhaps Freddy T will force the other candidates to come further to the right and maybe, just maybe, he won't be another W...

The Republicans need the South to win.
It is possible for the Democrats to win the White House without the South.

But, it is not possible for the Republicans to win the White House without the South.

Fact: The base of the Republican party, the Southern Voters, are true to their roots of Conservative Values. They may not vote against a Republican candidate, but the voters simply will not vote. And the Democrats will win because the Republican voter, will not vote.

Giuliani want to run on a 9/11 platform. How? When many of the 9/11 Firefighters are still angry because they believe that Giuliani cared more about saving the gold at ground zero, than he cared about the Firefighters. It is hard to run as a 9/11 New York mayor hero, when the 9/11 Firefighter heroes are calling Giuliani, a liar and a fraud. Plus, Giuliani's liberal views will be a major hurdle that he will not overcome in the South.

Rommey is a Mormon. His religion and liberal views, will be major issues that will turn Southern voters off. Resulting in the Southern voters staying home on election day/night.

Fred Thompson is being attacked from the left by democrats and from the left by liberal republicans, as well as the Media. Fred Thompson is a threat to old business. Which means he has not sold out to corporations and is beholden to the people of the United States of America.

In the past months, politics for 2008 was long and boring. Too many Americans were left out because we did not have a dog in that hunt for 2008.

Well, now we do. So, to all those with the attacks against Fred Thompson in order to defend your weak candidate and defend the old ways of government for the elite. Three words: BRING IT ON!

We can either unite as Conservatives/Republicans and win and go forward to unite the country for the common good. Or we can divide and let the Democrats win,and let the country continue to be divided and destroyed. It's your call.

Fred Thompson's Entry to the Race
Is Fred Thompson's late entry to the race a sign of a lazy candidate who won't put up a passionate campaign? Or is he a shrewd candidate who hasn't lost any advantages by biding his time? Read and debate this at http://www.thecoin.org

Thompson the flip flopper
I have to disagree with the author that thompson is a consistent conservative.

he was for mccain feingold (in fact it was his vote that made it possible) before he was against it.

He was for abortion before he was against it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5a_Fpu_8KE&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Emittreport%2Ecom%2F

http://mediamatters.org/items/200706010008

Today we find out he was for illegal immigration before he was against it.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/article/20070905/NATION/109050083/1002

and now we know as a few days ago that he was against gay marraige and now he is for it.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ucmg/20070905/cm_ucmg/seefredflipseefredflop

Those who buy into the Thompson fills the void as teh consistent conservative are not doing their homework.

Thompson is the lazy version of John McCain.

southern skies
Your logic: Fred is Southern. If we don't vote for him becuase he is southern, we lose. All other candidates are weak because they are not southern.

now there are some reasons to be persuaded by. Your right, the other are 'weak' candidates. they are not southern.

apologies
southern skies is correct. terrorcrats won congress back in '06 due to the republican base staying home over the disgust of what the party has come to since 1994. those were heady days. if you vote republican now your voting for republicans acting like democrats. john mccain makes me puke. ditto arlen specter. gives you a renewed appreciation for the work tom delay did. it's amazing he kept these knuckleheads in line as long as he did. i've met thompson, shook his hand. no doubt, he'll slap the reagan on ya! but he'd go a long way with me if he'd start by apologizing to the base for how the party has abandoned them.

finebammer
So why is southerskies right? what does the republicans abandoning their conservative principles have to do wtih thompson? I don't disagree with you that that is what got us kicked out in 06, not to mention too many of us were corrupt and perverted.

However why is Thompson the person to fix that? He does not seem to be different than John MCcain which conservatives generally disdain.

Anyway, if he were to do that he would have to get off his golf cart and mess his gucci shoes up. He had better stick to making videos and writing blogs from the comforts of his office located snuggly inside the washington dc beltway. I don't think he has what it takes.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/05/AR2007050500284_pf.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19263100/site/newsweek/page/0/

Thompson Outperforms in Arizona
Arizona is the home state for John McCain, but Fred Thompson is the strongest GOP Presidential candidate in the state at this time.

A Rasmussen Reports telephone survey found that Thompson leads Hillary Clinton by seventeen percentage points, 51% to 34%.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/thompson_outperforms_mccain_in_arizona

On abortion, illegal immigration, etc...
Smith's post from above is just wrong. Thompson was never for abortion. He believe in Federalism and "First Principles" as Reagan and the Framers of the Constitution did. Just do your own research.
http://www.kungfuquip.com/archives/677

On abortion, illegal immigration, etc...
Smith's post from above is just wrong. Thompson was never for abortion. He believe in Federalism and "First Principles" as Reagan and the Framers of the Constitution did. Just do your own research.
http://www.kungfuquip.com/archives/677

Are you kidding HRC?
At one time Thompson was clearly for abortion through the first trimester. When he ran for the Senate he answered as such in questionaires. I've seen them quoted all over the place. Yes, he did have a pro-life voting record in the senate. But the truth is he has flip-flopped, just like Romney, who BTW, was given a 100% rating as Governor by Citizens for Life in Mass. Carpenter is wrong to call Fred the only one with the 100% abortion record in elective office.

Smith
Thompson is the lazy John McCain? And just what MSM talking point did you steal that from?

the debates
After watching them overall I think McCain has improved, just not enough. Paul is psycho. Giulani disappointing, and Romney while he did okay was a little flat. Hunter was good but they won't give him the air time. So I am interested in seeing what Fred says and does. Would also like to see Newt get in just to shake things up.

GO AHEAD FRED!!!!!!

Oh My!
I see the MSM bs is running deep due to the verbatim msm posts.

Rules for Republicans
Guys, if we're going to have a snowball's chance in H3LL of winning this election, we need to keep a couple of things in mind:

1) It's ok to change your mind.

What we observed in John Kerry and called "flip-flopping" was not that he changed his mind, but that he defended both sides of every issue, depending on which audience he was in front of. In other words, he didn't stand for anything at all -- just like Mrs. Clinton in this year's race. A Republican who held position A 10 years ago but changed his tune along the way is not a "flip-flopper."

2) No candidate will be the next Ronald Reagan.

Ronald Reagan was unique. No candidate will ever fill his shoes. Stop looking for the "next Reagan." He isn't there. He's dead.

3) No candidate is ever perfect.

Stop expecting your candidate to be as pure a conservative as Ronald Reagan. I have news for you: RONALD REAGAN was not as pure a conservative as your memory of Ronald Reagan.

4) Don't like the candidate? Hold your damn nose and vote anyway. It's your duty as a citizen, and the failure to do so will put a criminal in the White House.

I will NOT vote for Fred in the primary.
Although I will be forced to vote for him - IF he wins the nomination.

THAT is my flip flop.

Not So Fast With Fred
I think people should not be so fast to embrace Fred Thompson. At least for me, it did not sit well last night that he chose to talk with Leno and avoid mixing it up in the Republican Presidential debate held by FOX. I think Rudy Guiliani is right that you have to earn the nomination, and Fred is not earning the nomination by avoiding the debates. I also think that the debates are impoortant because it does show you who can be presidential. Last night, whether many of you want to accept it or not, it was John McCain who appeared presidential and in command.

Fred is showing his true colors
Fred is an actor. Fred took the easy path and chose to perform his lines in a show business venue instead of going to the New Hampshire debate with the rest of them.

This, to me, is another sign of the laziness that has been attributed to him. NOT what America needs right now.

God prevented Ron Paul from being Pres
by giving him the voice of the Wicked Witch of the West. It is easier to see the utter lunacy of his positions because he speaks them in a voice that really ought to be grafted onto the phizog of Hillary Clinton....

Fred Thompson has a Voice, as Mr. Reagan had a Voice, that reminds me a lot of a boss I once had. Although this boss was a Harvard-educated lawyer with a mind like a steel trap, he had the slow, Southern delivery and the penetrating gaze that Fred Thompson has. And when he drawled, *Scuse me, Your Honour, I am just an old Country Lawyer...* plaintiffs trembled in their shoes.

There is nothing soothing about Fred Thompson, but people who hear him grasp his essential self by the timbre of his voice. Fred Thompson sounds right. His voice tells us he believes what he is saying. Because, like Mr. Reagan, he believes it, we believe it too.

But I hope Ron Paul continues to flail and squawk. He is our living proof that indeed anybody in America can run for President.

Only please will somebody do us all the favour we are longing for and shut him in his locker?

inkling_revival
inkling_revival has one of the best posts that I have seen.

Fred has strengths and is very good at exploiting them. He also works at avoiding his weaknesses. He avoided the debate for good reason. Once he is on stage with the other candidates, any myth about him being Reagan II evaporates. It will be obvious that he is no better (if not worse) than Romney, Rudy, McCain, Huckabee and Hunter in debate skills.

Fred has been able to avoid direct head to head visual comparisons and will as long as he can.

Fred's "flipflops", in a debate format, will come up with regularity. Fred will be forced to take specific positions on issues that will cause some of his current supporters to leave. He has been able to appeal on image but that will change as he has to define himself more clearly. It is a crowded field and Fred does not bring anything unique to the debate expect his image.

Fred's age will also become an obvious point of comparison in a debate.

So far Fred has assumed the roll of the primary challenger to Rudy. In direct head to head visual comparisons that assumption will get challenged very fast.

As long as Fred can stay away from the fray and do his own positioning thru safe well picked interviews and some ads he can prosper on image. If you put him in a debate where there are direct comparisons with the other candidates his image shatters against reality.

Thompson?
Thompson dropped, dramatically, in my opinion when he elected to go on an entertainment show rather than submit any ideas and plans, if he has them, to questioning on a panel. Bill D.

Shift
Rudy did not do well in the Luntzometer. In this debate Rudy seems to have shifted his 9/11 image over to a NYC image. NYC has a lot more baggage than 9/11. Other polls indicate that Rudy is best known as the "Mayor of NY" the more he is associated with NYC instead of 9/11 the less appealing he is.

Romney is on the right track. The best way to attack Rudy is to associate him directly with the negatives of NYC. Most Reps do not Love NY. They are uneasy with NY in general. It is the bastion of the Dems and the home of the NYT. It ranks with SF as a symbol of just about everything the Reps don't believe in.

Fred - "The Magic Redneck"
Remember Limabaugh's parody of Obama as the "Magic Negro"?

I just couldn't get "Fred the Magic Redneck" out of my mind.
Click my "blog link" above for the full version of "Fred the Magic Redneck" - of course set to the tune of "Puff the magic dragon"

Bill, pianogirl
and all he rest of you "he should have been at the debate" whiners....seems to me we have started this whole process a year earlier than was ever necessary. Frankly, most of the country has tuned it all out. I think we will have have plenty of opportunities for Senator Thompson to communicate his positions. 14 months is more than enough time to establish one's candidacy.

Appearing on Leno
where he had a greater audience then on the debate and where he appeared to go around the same old same old was a masterful stroke.

That he bided his time and did not follow the herd, was also masterful, telling me he is his own man.

For this endless boring campaigning, he is a fresh face. Also, masterful.

In spite of the above, don't rule out McCain. Focus groups last night found him more compelling more a leader then the other candidates. Guliani was thought to be tiresome with his constant and only referance to"when I was mayor". Romney was less slick more hesitant.

Fred
So people want to wine, go ahead and do it, it is a free country! ”THANKS TO OUR VETS”So here is mine, they all lie and it is up to us to decide who does it the least. And as far as that video that shows Fred talking about abortion rights, he was saying that the federal government should stay out of it! Truth is if you decide women have the right to do that, you are the one who has to explain it to the man in the end. Two Things that always amazed me is 1. if you don’t get pregnant, there is no need for abortions! 2 if it is ok with liberals to kill unborn children, why do they have problems with killing terrorist? That one really mystifies me. And anyone who advocates McCain for president is just like him a “RINO” because he has a better liberal voting record than most liberals! Just my two cents, but like I said, it is a free country and that’s my right!

Saw Leno, wa..wa..waaaaah
I couldn't tell where Bush ended and Thompson began. Oh, he is folksy, but just as insane!

Big Money Politics
A whole lot of whiners on here about how Fred should have been there last night and gotten in earlier. What a load of dung! It costs money to run folks. Lots of money. The more money it takes the more beholding to other interests they are.

OMG, Audio
Now I've heard everything. I gather you're a member of the elect-them-by-the-timbre-of-their-voice club. I've heard of women who will vote for Hillary because she's female, African-Americans who will vote for Obama because he's African-American, people who will vote for Mitt because he "looks presidential," people who will vote for Fred because he's an actor.

Myself, I will vote for Ron Paul because he is principled, honest, consistent and correct in his assessment of our Constitution.

pianogirl
Ron Paul is correct in his assessment of the Constitution... IN YOUR OPINION.

inkling revival
Not only are you out of your mind, but it is poeple like you who will keep this great nation in the hands of the internationalist, one world government elites who are destroying the very foundations of our nation!!

Hold your nose and vote the lesser of two evils one more time? What do you think you will get other than evil? This country needs to wake up to the scam being performed right in front of our eyes, just like any street hustler playing the old shell game. Only this time, the elites are taking the nation into their one world socialist paradise, and folks like you fall for the Dem/GOP/MSM propaganda that only "they" can govern, only "they" have experience and wisdom and knowledge. The rest of us, well, we are simply poor common men, dolts who didn't graduate from Harvard, fools whose job it is to shut up, send in our tax dollars, and leave the nation in the hands of these most capable elites.

If any of you really care and you want to reclaim the inheritance that has been stolen from us, you need to visit my website JOEOLIVAFORPRESIDENT.ORG, It is the only way to get back to the founding principles of this nation and reclaim our birthright. Any vote for ANY ELITE OF EITHER PARTY IS TREASON!! I've posted here often, and like most I get frustrated by the elites' offerings, but this takes the cake. Vote for the lesser of two evils, hold your nose? NEVER, NEVER, NEVER give the elites another vote, another day in office, more power to ruin this great nation. Sorry inkling, but you are way off the mark and any who agree with you just as foolish. Thanks, Joe

spell check
people not poeple

No problem joe
This is a really low-tech site. Most good forums allow for mistakes to be corrected after you post.

At any rate, it is your ideas thinking people critique, not your spelling prowess.

OK Hank, you are right.
let's hear about how voting for the lesser of two evils helps America. That is my question to all the "good Republicans" out there. Joe

Lest we forget
Ronald Reagan was once a democrat.There is going to be at least three SCOTUS appointments by the next president.To me that is worth holding my nose when I vote.Remember if we get a RINO we can vote him out after 4 years.Can we do the same if a democrat wins?By the way I prefer Hunter or at least a Thompson Hunter combo.If Fred wins I would expect him to serve only one term.

SSGTRET-LoLo
IF I knew NOTHING else about Fred Thompson, The Fact that Ronnie Paul’s ALCOAettes (PianoGirl) and Liberals Poachers (Hank) start SCREECHING at the mention of his name would seal the deal for me!

GO FRED!

hank
No thanks. I own several copies, along with the Federalist Papers, Bill of Rights, and personal papers of Founding Fathers.


The fact that you and the other Ron paul supporters along with Paul himself, wallow in negativity and nonsense, tells me all I need to know.

Oh Yeah!!
Fred08....Go Fred!!!

Go Ron!
I wasn't a Ron Paul supporter, but when I saw what a strong argument he made for getting our men and women out of Iraq I had to get on board.

His ideas regarding the IRS are a little idealistic, but let's face it, nobody in congress would go for that nonsense anyway. If he promises to get us out of the ME he's got my vote

Lolo
Try dusting them off.

Greetings, Lolo2
I was most impressed by Hunter during the debate. He made his points logically and gave the others little to challenge. He was right on point about the wall. I think a Thompson/Hunter ticket could be a winner, and also a nightmare for the democrats.


To follow through on
my previous post, I'd heard so much about Ron Paul I was anxious to see what the shouting was all about.
Sorry, but I found him to be shrill, whiny, and somewhat immature, not the kind of guy I'd want at my back in a dark alley, and certainly not as POTUS.

Duncan Hunter At The Top
Ms. Carpenter generalized about the polls being dominated by Geezer Guy all summer.

Saturday, the Texas Straw Poll, with only Republican activists voting, gave Duncan Hunter the nod by more than a two-to-one margin. Check with the Fort Worth newspaper. Slow Freddie came in a sorry second.

Also, it was a man running to be "Sitting President'who announced last night. Slouched in a Leno stage chair; he allowed that he is 'running' for President. Even FDR stood on his crippled legs to make important statements. Did he sit to announce the results of 'A day that will live in Infamy'? No. Fireside chats? Yes, but only after he was President. Mediaman (ABC and NBC) takes a lot for granted.

No candidate but Duncan Hunter has a valid claim to be called "Conservative". No candidate has worked harder over a longer time to preserve and protect the Constitution of these United States.
Duncan Hunter is A Straight shooter. Duncan Hunter Walks The Walk.

Fred is looking better to me
For all the people who keep saying Fred took too long to get into the race, This is the time of year that people Normally enter the race, not Nov 8 of 06.

Yes he may have changed his mind on some topics, and that may mean he isn't perfect, but who among us is? So many people want another Reagan, Me too, but they forget that Reagan himself was soft on abortion, then changed his mind. He was for it before he was against it. Does that make him less than perfect? Yes, it also makes him Human.

I have been reading FDTs blogs for quite a while now, and he is a man who not only talks the talk, but walks the walk too. and isn't that what we're really looking for?

As for Ron Paul, I actually thought many of his ideas had merit, but as he proved last night in the debate, he's totally Around the bend, when it comes to foreign policy. The terrorists don't want to kill us because of our ME policy, they wantto kill us because we're Not Them! Besides, as noted by AudiR10, his speaking voice is almost as annoying as Hillary's, and she makes my dog howl. don't need 4 years of that. :op

No favorite yet
Listened to debate last night. In my view Huckabee, Rudy and Mitt are all possibilities. McCain is too friendly with Kennedy to ever get my vote. Yes he sounded good but thats it. Listened to Thompsons pitch sounded very good and his way of speaking did remind me of the "Great communicator" Ron Paul may have had constitutional points but he comes across as a mad man.
So bottom line I see four people that to me at least are preferable to Billary running on the socialist/communist party line.
I dont like voting for the least of evils anymore than anybody else but as one poster said Reagan is gone and there aint another on the horizon.

Is getting in EARLY an "issue"?
No, it is not.

One could make an argument very easily that waiting until after labor day, announcing on Leno, building buzz during the summer without actually announcing, taking to the Internet to establish his presence, etc. are all POSITIVES not negatives. Conventional thinkers are putting Fred in the "lazy" box. Personally, I am unimpressed by career campaigners. In fact, they turn me off big time. Fred appears to be a creative thinker, something to be applauded in an executive.

Why don't we judge the man on his ideology, his stated stand on the issues, and his voting record? THOSE should be the things at which thinking conservatives should look. Second should be experience but I am unmoved by the "I have the most executive experience" mantra.

Let me put that one to bed; if Bill Clinton, who has years of government executive experience, were allowed to run in '08 against Thompson, which one would you pick, the guy with the experience or the guy with conservative bona fides?

As for Ron Paul, after last night, stick a fork in him, he's done. A guy who doesn't want to uphold the NUMBER ONE issue in the constitution, the common defense (i.e. he wants to get rid of the CIA, Homeland security, and bring the troops home right now) is not in touch with the basic role of the federal government. If he ran as a Democrat he might win though.

Beeblebrox: You bet! Stick a fork in him

ronniepaul shot himself in the foot during the first Republican debate, and he shot himself in the other foot last night.

He's a gonner...and he and his paulists are the only ones who don't know it yet.





Anne.
It sounds to me like the RP brigade are talking to hear themselves talk. The man is not impressive. Last night proved him to be strident, shrill, and without a clue when it comes to foreign policy.
After having seen him firsthand, I have no further reason to consider him in any light but that of a loser.

Loved your comment about how badly we need the wall. I think conservatives need a plan, not just to talk on these threads. We need names and phone numbers, email and physical addresses of all these clowns in congress. Let's start flooding them with mail, phone calls and emails. Perhaps Michelle Malkin could be the coordinator of all this, but we need to be heard as we were during the "comprehensive immigration and amnesty reform" debates. Stay in good health. Best.


Fred's strategy
Many are pointing out that his late entry does not matter. Perhaps so, but Fred choosing to announce on the same night on Leno and snubbing the debate does matter. He knows that he would not have done well in that forum, otherwise why would he stay out of it?

Fred is not prepared to be questioned, challenged or pressed to define his vision/priorities for the country. He is vague on all the issues, preferring to write and talk in generalities. If he has the ability to articulate sound policies and actually inspire he has not shown it thus far. Not to mention the inconsistencies of his record, his lack of enthusiasm, or his poor organizational and fundraising skills.

I think that at least 4 other candidates are better prepared and qualified - Rudy, Romney, Huckabee and Hunter, not necessarily in that order. They are all better choices than Fred.

@Jack
I have no problem with about half of Paul's positions. The problem is he has two major strikes against him. He appears to be an ultra-isolationist ala Pat Buchannan without the stature of Pat. I think Pat got more votes when he ran last than Paul will ever dream about getting in this cycle.

Strike two is that he is a poor communicator. Not that he is inarticulate but rather, he doesn't connect. Like Motley said, he is shrill and out of touch with the core of the party. I admire that he is trying to make a run as a Republican given that he is not in the mainstream (not unlike Rudy but in a different way) but that is not enough for me to given him my vote.

Rudy manages to poll well despite being outside the mainstream but that is because of having some stature as a leader. Paul has no demonstrated leadership experience. Has he even chaired any primary congressional committees? I don't know if he has and if he has, I would like to hear about it.

I have said this before and I will say it again; being an nonconservative, Paul needs to cultivate some serious leadership bona fides in Congress in order to overcome his unconventional ideological positions. I can't seen Republicans nominating someone who is inexperienced, shrill, and nonconservative on issues like foreign policy.

inkling_revival writes:
Wednesday, September, 05, 2007 11:58 PM
"Rules for Republicans
Guys, if we're going to have a snowball's chance in H3LL of winning this election, we need to keep a couple of things in mind...4) Don't like the candidate? Hold your damn nose and vote anyway. It's your duty as a citizen, and the failure to do so will put a criminal in the White House."
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I, along with many others, consider this one of the best posts on this column.

There is not, nor will there ever be, a perfect candidate...so get real, folks! Fred offers the best opportunity we have to win in 08 and it will do us no good to keep bringing up little "oops" from the past.

We want AND NEED a president who will be respected throughout the world and I believe Fred is the answer. I liked his responses tonight on H&C - he doesn't mind true debates, but I don't believe he'd be too interested in responding to a snowman.

As to his "late" announcement, I agree with him, this whole thing started way too early. I'd like it better if there were restrictions placed so that it couldn't begin until 90 days from the first primary. And why not just go ahead and let all the primaries be on the same day...this "I want to be first" business is so childish!

WIN, FRED, WIN!! And stick to YOUR agenda, not someone else's!!!

@PortlandMom
(Great city BTW)

"I think that at least 4 other candidates are better prepared and qualified - Rudy, Romney, Huckabee and Hunter,"

I think this may only be half true. These four are career politicians and have existing staffs who spend all their time herding their guy from event to event. They SHOULD be better prepared.

Meanwhile, Fred was essentially drafted and left a real job (he's a working character actor, which is a full-time profession) not that long ago. In a very short amount of time Fred has put together a team of individuals to help launch a test campaign and then just a few months later, announced his campaign on one of the most watched TV programs in America, not an easy task. Personally I loved the strategy of differentiating himself by not showing up to the cattle call over at FOX News. Like Fred said to Leno, there will be plenty of opportunities ahead to join in the debates, he just doesn't want to talk in 30 second one liners. If you haven't seen his answer to Jay's question about Iraq, check it out on UTube, it was superb.

Putting together a campaign team from scratch as an outsider is not an easy task. You claim he is unprepared? Given that the guy that has been running the longest, Rudy, is only a point ahead of Fred I would say that it is Rudy that is turning out to be less than prepared.

Secondly, I would argue that Fred is not the least qualified of the bunch. In fact, except for Hunter, I would argue that he is the MOST qualified in the one area that counts, that being ideologically. He is very close to a Reagan conservative.

Thompson/Hunter would be a great team. Although my dream team would be Hunter/JC Watts.

Check that
or Thompson/JC Watts

MotleyCrue writes:
Thursday, September, 06, 2007 4:59 PM
"Greetings, Lolo2
I was most impressed by Hunter during the debate. He made his points logically and gave the others little to challenge. He was right on point about the wall. I think a Thompson/Hunter ticket could be a winner, and also a nightmare for the democrats."
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I go along with your suggested ticket, MC

Of all the Republicans speaking last night, I thought Duncan Hunter stood head and shoulders above the rest. This was the first debate I watched, and every opportunity they gave him to speak was met with thoughtful words of wisdom. I like his style and think he would make an excellent complement to Fred T. I think such a ticket would be unbeatable.

Now all we have to do is wait and see what "comes down the pike"

Beeblebrox writes:
Thursday, September, 06, 2007 10:19 PM
"...Personally I loved the strategy of differentiating himself by not showing up to the cattle call over at FOX News. Like Fred said to Leno, there will be plenty of opportunities ahead to join in the debates, he just doesn't want to talk in 30 second one liners. If you haven't seen his answer to Jay's question about Iraq, check it out on UTube, it was superb.

Putting together a campaign team from scratch as an outsider is not an easy task. You claim he is unprepared? Given that the guy that has been running the longest, Rudy, is only a point ahead of Fred I would say that it is Rudy that is turning out to be less than prepared.

Secondly, I would argue that Fred is not the least qualified of the bunch. In fact, except for Hunter, I would argue that he is the MOST qualified in the one area that counts, that being ideologically. He is very close to a Reagan conservative.

Thompson/Hunter would be a great team. Although my dream team would be Thompson/JC Watts."

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My observations, too. and I like your second team - JCW has always been one of my favorites!

I give Fred T extra points for his class act - I don't mind the Leno bit and I agree with him re: the lack of ability to project yourself as you would like during the debates. The formats are not the best, but surely no one could complain about how Brit Hume did last night. It was definitely a 180 from the CNN snowmen and other youtube questioners the Democrats faced recently. I wish the Republicans had not accepted the CNN format coming up the end of the month. Oh well, guess we'll just have to wait and see what dopey questions they will have to contend with.

Check that
or Thompson/JC Watts

I was just wondering
if anyone has ever noticed that TH has absolutely the best forum software on the planet?

/sarcasm

I'm staunch pro-life
And I say it's absolutely ridiculous to may pro-life a vote determining issue.

IT'S A LEGISLATIVELY HOPELESS ISSUE PEOPLE! If roe-vs. Wade wasn't overturned these last 8 years, when we had the most conservative government in 30 years (and it never even came close) IT CERTAINLY WON'T CHANGE WITH A DEMOCRAT HOUSE AND SENATE.

If you're pro-life like me and you refuse to vote for the best candidate simply because of their stance on a legislatively hopeless issue THEN YOU'RE JUST A BOLD FACED IDIOT.

Look, there are issues that hang in the balance. Abortion isn't one of them. Not even remotely. If you think it's a character determining issue you're wrong too. Nearly all Pro-choice conservatives are horrified by abortion and are very distraught over the whole issue, but they know above all that it's legislatively hopeless.

I was just wondering
if anyone has ever noticed that TH has absolutely the best forum software on the planet?

/sarcasm

@David
I have a hard time accepting your entire premise. I come across very few pro-lifers who a.) are single issue, they also are very much for national defense and for border security. b.) it is not a hopeless issue (BTW You're saying that Reagan was more liberal than Bush?!!? - that was less than 30 years ago that Reagan was president). Once we get to a majority in the SCOTUS (conservatives only have 4 reliable votes out of 9), then expect to see Roe v. Wade to be overturned.

The next president will chose at least 2 SCOTUS justices. When that happens, the onus for abortion legislation will be returned to the states where it belongs.


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