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Tuesday, May 22, 2007
Amanda Carpenter :: Townhall.com Columnist
Democrats turn a blind eye to rule breakers in their own ranks
by Amanda Carpenter
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Tuesday night House Democrats refused to reprimand Rep. John Murtha (D.-Pa.) for threatening a Republican colleague in a manner that violates newly installed, Democrat-crafted ethics rules.

Rep. Mike Rogers (R.-Mich.), a member of the House Intelligence Committee, alleges after he tried to strip a $23 million earmark that Murtha inserted into an intelligence spending bill for his district, Murtha lashed out.

Rogers claims that Murtha shouted the following threat: “I hope you don't have any earmarks in the defense appropriation bill because they are gone and you will not get any earmarks now and forever.”

Rogers reiterated this in his May 21 floor statement that introduced a resolution that formally reprimands Murtha. Rogers said that his response was to shout back at the Pennsylvania congressman: “This is not the way we do things here and is that supposed to make me afraid of you?”

As Chairman of the Defense Appropriations Subcommittee, Murtha is a key decision maker in determining which districts will receive federal defense dollars. Murtha does not deny saying he would withhold federal dollars from Rogers for voting against his earmark.

Unfortunately for Murtha, the code of conduct package his close friend Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D.-Calif.) ushered in when she took over the House contains a two-line provision that prohibits exactly the kind of threat Murtha made to Rogers. Rule 16 of the House’s new Official Code of Conduct states no members may condition any earmark on any vote cast by another member.

After the incident, Murtha issued a brief statement that only said, "The committee and staff give every Democrat and Republican the same consideration. We have extensive hearings and every request is given careful consideration. We will continue to do just that.”

The House voted 219-189 against Rogers’s resolution on Tuesday evening.

Two Democrats, Rep. Earl Blumenauer (Ore.) and Rep. Jim Cooper (Tenn.) crossed party lines to vote in favor of the reprimand. Rep. Tim Murphy (Pa.) was the only Republican to support to tabling the resolution.

Murtha’s disputed earmark funds the National Drug Intelligence Center located in Johnstown, Pennsylvania. Last year, the House Government Reform Committee said the center should be shut down and, in his proposed budget, President Bush designated $16 million to close it. Murtha, however, used his powerful position on the Appropriations Committee to secure funding for the NDIC.

To stymie the project, Rogers tried to attach an amendment to the intelligence appropriations bill that would require the Justice Department’s inspector general to audit the Johnstown-based NDIC. His amendment was turned away by the Rules Committee. Then, Rogers got a motion accepted to cut the funding for the project outright.

Instead of routing the $23 million to Murtha’s district, Rogers proposed redirecting it to fund human intelligence programs. Rogers’s amendment to do this was defeated 181-241, largely on party lines.

Piling onto Murtha’s ethical troubles is Rep. Pete Hoekstra (R.-Mich.), ranking member of the Intelligence Committee. Hoekstra charges that even the way Murtha inserted the NDIC earmark into the intelligence bill violated House rules. According to Hoekstra, Murtha sent in his earmark certification letter for the NDIC five weeks after the committee’s deadline and did not send a proper copy to Hoekstra’s office.

Rule 17 of the new Code of Conduct requires that all earmarks be disclosed in writing to the chairman and ranking member of the governing committee.

On May 10, Hoekstra complained on the House floor that “The process that was used for the earmarks on this bill did not follow all of the rules that we had agreed up in the committee and perhaps inconsistent with the rules of the House.”

The House resolution voted on May 22 did not contain any references to this ethics violation.

Speaker Pelosi defended Murtha on the May 20 edition of ABC’s This Week. “Congressman Murtha enjoys an excellent reputation in the Congress on both sides of the aisle," she said. "He writes the defense appropriation bill in a bipartisan way each year and with the complete involvement of the Republicans as to who gets what on the Republican side.”

Murtha was Pelosi’s first pick to become Majority Leader after Democrats won the midterm election, but Rep. Steny Hoyer (D.-Md.) was elected to the post over Murtha.

Hoyer was not as supportive as Pelosi in a session with reporters yesterday morning. “Mr. Murtha will have to determine what he believes will be appropriate,” Hoyer said. “There has been an assertion made and that remains to be seen if [Murtha] said what is alleged he said. I’ve said all along the Ethics Committee needs to take this into consideration.”

When asked to compare Murtha’s behavior to the way former Majority Leader Tom Delay (R.-Tex.) used financial incentives to push reluctant Republicans into voting for the Medicare Prescription Drug Bill, Hoyer said, “I’ve said all on this subject that I’m going to say.”

Murtha also recently browbeat Rep. Todd Tiahrt (R.-Kans.), an Intelligence Committee member who also sits on appropriations subcommittee Murtha chairs, for opposing the NDIC earmark in a private appropriations vote. According to The Hill, Murtha "vented his anger against Tiahrt for voting last Wednesday to kill the center in Johnstown, Pa., by unleashing a loud, finger-jabbing, spittle-spraying piece of his mind.”

This outburst was captured by CSPAN cameras on the House floor and was later aired as part of a segment on Fox News. You can access the video here.

In a May 21 op-ed, Rogers, a former FBI special agent, likened Murtha’s actions to a character on the HBO dramatic series about a mob family. After explaining how Murtha threatened him, Rogers wrote, “The House floor is not the place for an episode of The Sopranos and protecting the public’s tax dollars is a basic duty of all Members of Congress.”

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A fine article Amanda!
And well written. However after reading I felt the need to shower after wallowing through the corruption that passes for congress.

Instead of protecting the taxpayer money. I could not help but visualize a bunch of slimy maggots fighting over their piece of rotting flesh. With no regard for rules or concern for the country.

Where's Nancy?
"Maybe it takes a woman to clean up Congress"

San Fran Nan is doing one hell of a job so far. Where is the fawning mainstream media holding her to her pledge? Silent of course.


Honestly though, you cannot blame the Democrats. Every party out of power campaigns on their committment to change the system and clean things up, then once they get in power they are just as bad as the people they replaced. It sure happened to the Republicans once Newt left. The only difference is how quickly the Democrats dropped any pretenses of righteousness.

Think we can get the Abacam investigation reopened?

typo correction
Abscam that is

Jack Murtha
A living, breathing testament to the upside of abortion.


Murtha
I guess he brings back so much pork home, they don't care.

Not just Democrats in Congress
How many times have progressive posters griped about 'hateful, bigoted, intolerant' TH posters, while ignoring the bile spewed every day on progressive sites like Huffington Post?

Many (I do NOT claim 'all') American Progressives are either young enough, or terminally resentful enough, to lack the objectivity to apply standards of conduct equally to themselves AND their ideological opposites.

Of course, our end of the political spectrum has some of those, too.
However, since the progressive end of the political spectrum actively cultivates the support of the terminally angry, we see much more of it from them, in my experience.

By the bye, let me make a somewhat risky prediction: in the event that a Republican DOES get elected as our next President, I expect some of the left's young, angry supporters to try their hand at torching cars. Some of them have been advocating that sort of thing for several years now; some seemed positively envious of the rioters at the G8 Summit, at the Americas Summit, in Indonesia, in France following Pres. Sarkozy's victory, etc.
But that is just my prediction.

charlie
Your question just about sums it up and we are IN BIG TROUBLE.

Goshawk
"Instead of protecting the taxpayer money. I could not help but visualize a bunch of slimy maggots fighting over their piece of rotting flesh. With no regard for rules or concern for the country."

I couldn't have said it better.

UFB
Boy, seems to me there is only one side to this slimy story...once a slime ball, always a slime ball and they keep on getting bigger.

Murtha is losing it
I have been watching Murtha since he came on my radar complaining about the Iraq War and being given plaudits for his stance because, after all, he's a veteran, and therefore, like Cindy Sheehan, no one may criticize his position (which is cut and run). Now that the Democrats are in power in Congress, he seems to have lost any limits on his behavior at all. He screams threats and curses, and that's in public. I can only imagine what he does in private. The man seems to be losing what little brains he had. I think he needs a psych eval. Quick.

Very good article

Details and documentation, Very good.

Maybe that's why we aren't seeing any critics yet.

In response to Packrat
Maybe they just aren't out of bed yet?

War on Drugs???
Besides exposing the slime of Congress, this article points out how the "War on Drugs" has become institutionalized. We have far too many in government who have a vested interest in keeping the "War" going, instead of winning the war. From what has already been spent, we should have won this war years ago. However, it isn't winning they are interested in, it is the institutions being funded to continue the fight. Never, do they intend to win the war.

War heros and patriotism
There have been a number of politicians like Murtha that misbehave and fall back on their military exploits. They do this expecting that it will enhance their credibility because of their military service. There was another real American hero that ended up betraying his country and that was Benedict Arnold. Arnold was the hero of Ft Ticonderoga. He turned on his country and betrayed his country for his own personal gain. Murtha is a dangerous man and he is getting bolder and bolder with his aggression. I do not expect the dems to punish or cite their own even if caught on video. They will excuse misconduct as they did with the cold cash in the freezer.

To "Rand"y
Have been watching the same as you regarding Murtha, and for the same reasons. Also Nanny Peloski. They are both examples of what happens when power goes to your head. Especially Peloski who thinks she is more powerful than the President.

The Dimo/Libs took control of congress by default, yet they delude themselves by saying.."It's what the PEOPLE wanted!" In reality, for the demos to be in control of anything! Is the last thing the PEOPLE wanted. Many of us said that the damage they'll do will take years to un-do. That is proving to be true.

As their massive egos bask in their false glory, they tend to act like Gods whose wisdom must not be questioned. Those that do will be severely punished! They are so blatantly locked into this mindset that they openly break the laws and defy the Constitution! After all, they are Gods! They can do anything they want!

Pure as the driven snow
Was Murtha right in what he did? Absolutely not.

At the same time please save me with the holier than thou lecture.

After what the Republicans did over the last six years, I wouldn't go around throwing any stones.

Until they lead by example, they have absolutely NO right to criticize ANYONE on this type of issue.

Liberals on this site
Where are you defending Murtha? You are so quick to beat up on the Republicans!

Murtha is a big baby
What do you expect from the biggest baby in the House. If he does not get his way, he throws a temper tantrum and then Nancy P. has to cover up for him. He is really a disgrace to America and the Dem.'s. The people of Penn. that elected him should really be embarrased. I wonder if the current Congress can have below a 0% approval rating?

RR

DogJudge
You are correct in stating that repubs have done much the same over the years, in fact, no matter what party is in place you can find examples of the same. But let me ask you, is this the behavior you want in our congress? Is it to be excused because 'the other side did it too'. Frankly, that sounds childish to me and if Murtha got 23mil for a project that wasn't necessary, then we are all the poorer for it including you. I am sick and tired of politicians that have no regard for our wishes or our money. They get caught red-handed doing something anyone, Repub or Demcrat, would find disgusting and yet in office they stay, above the law and continuing to bleed us dry.

Murtha and DeLay
These are the same kind of tactics Democrats condemned Tom DeLay for. And Pelosi has the gall to define Murtha as bi-partisan.

Washington politics stinks on both sides of the aisle.

dogjudge
ah yes, here come the blanket statements that have no justification.

Now that you've got the sleepys out of your eyes, please cite specific example of corruption Republicans wrought.

And please, spare us with the vague spouting of names. Screaming 'Halliburton' a hundred times really loud doesn't prove your point.

I am very upset w/ the Republican Party right now, and won't be their apologist, but I still sure as heck know the difference between the two.

edit
first line should've read 'without the justification.'

Required In College
There's a required subject for all Dems in college:

Hypocrisy 101

And the follow up:

Obfuscation 101

Retro Ranger
"I wonder if the current Congress can have below a 0% approval rating?"

It's already almost as low as Bush's.
Didn't take them long to screw things up, eh?

Pollywog72_74 and IGoCommando
Pollywog72_74

As I said in my post at the start, what Murtha did was wrong. No doubt. Should he, and the Democrats be chided for it. Yes. Should Ms. Carpenter act as if the Republicans don't do this type of thing? I'll let you answer that.

IGoCommando

I hope that you are not serious in your question about the Republican corruption.

If you want examples of earmark corruption, which is what the Murtha issue is all about, let's start with Ted Steven's "Bridge to Nowhere" and go from there.

If you are talking about Republicans covering up the corruption of one of their own, let's start with Dennis Hastert and Tom DeLay. Hastert is my representative, unfortunately. Try looking into the changes that Hastert made to the ethics committee when DeLay's problems started to come out. Not exactly an example of pure motives.

dogjudge
Murtha was caught on tape by the FBI negotiating with an FBI agent posing as an Arab oil sheik. He was conspiring to take a bribe. It's amazing to me that he isn't in prison.

Dogjudge, you must be kidding
I have no love for the Republicans, or any career politician who is still on this side of the grass, but do you actually believe:

"Until they lead by example, they have absolutely NO right to criticize ANYONE on this type of issue."

Wasn't the whole point of electing a Democratic Congress so that they could lead by example? Isn't that what Nancy meant when she promised to clean up the House? Or do you guys have special decoder rings that tell you what Nancy really means when she is speaking?

Fair-haired Boy
John Murtha is Nancy Pelosi's fair-haired boy. He can do no wrong. Abscam? That's water under the bridge a long time ago. The gross stupidity of the voters in his district? That's their problem. Ethics? In Congress? You've got to be kidding. Rules? They're for the "little" guys, not a god like John Murtha.

dogjudge
As Bill O'Reilly says "You can't justify bad behavior by pointing to the bad behavior of others."

Murtha
Queen nance's very own pit bull.Or should that be bull mastif? So much for "returning civility to Congress." They're doing a real great job, aren't they?

Utahnotmormon
I agree with your assesment and verdict.

I think Nan's idea of bi-partisan is that both sides of the aisle agree with her no matter what.

dogjudge
Was I trying ot portray Republicans as squeaky cliean? No. Alot of those you-know-what's deserved to get thrown out on their ear.

I just grow weary of Lib's tossing one-word accusations without the documentation (or in lieu of documentation, fabricated documentation e.g. Dan Rather.)

If you're going to come on here to throw stones, have the stones to actually cite your words with honest examples.

You would've thought we would have gotten past this over a year ago on this site.

What's the Solution
All of us have got to come up with a solution to this problem. We are doing no good just talking and fighting about it (the Repub's are worse or the Dem's are worse, etc.).

Elections don't seem to be working and these crooks must be gotten out of office for the good of the country.

I would like to see some talk on possible solutions.

Responses
Craig C

Please read the article and try to stay with the issue.

The article has NOTHING to do with Murtha and the Arab sheik. It's about earmarks.

Now. Read my post! I intentionally started it off by saying what Murtha did in this issue was wrong. Did you understand that, or did your biases simply blind you to that statement.

If you are naive enough to think that the Republicans have done nothing wrong when it comes to earmarks and ethics issues, then the discussion is ended. There's nothing that God could say that would change your mind.

As far as Bill O'Reilly is concerned, that's not the best person to use as a righteous person to set examples for others. As far as the comment is concerned. I agree. At the same time, this author is criticizing the Democrats for doing the same type of thing that the Republicans did for the last six years.

At least start getting NEW people to promote your cause. If a new Republican gets up and tells us how he is trying to change things, and shows that this is true by his actions, then they have my support. But if you continue to have folks such as Boehner, DeLay and others leading your charge, please don't bother me with moral lectures.

justpaul

Again, I said that what Murtha did was wrong. At the same time, I want to see what happens along the way here. If it continues, then we react. Perhaps people screaming about it, will redirect the folks. Maybe.

IGoCommando
You started your post to me with YOUR statement that "here comes the blanket statements with no justification.

Again, I said what Murtha did was wrong.

I then followed that up with saying that the Republicans did these same types of things, earmarks, for the last six years.

Could you please tell me what part of that "blanket statement" has no justification?

additional edit
No, Dogjudge, I am not labelling you a liberal in my last post. I don't know what you are, if anything.

Just wanted to clear the air of any possible misunderstandings.

misquote
please refer to my edited remark following the post you quoted. I think we are having a miscommunication that is entirely my fault.

Serves me right for trying to do a few things at once.

You ARE Shocked
Nancy P ok for minimum wage but not for her city . Murtha his comments speak for themselves. Feinstein complains about halliburton but not what she did for her husband (billions in military money contracts. jefferson
they are still trying to unfreeze that money they found in his frig. Harry R. how much more of nevada can he sell from underneath his peeps. Kennedy trying to give our country back to the MEXICANS(shame on America for stealing it in the first place) New Jersey Gov. breaking his own laws without wearing a seat belt and speeding. I bet the tax payers picked up his Medical Bills.
I think we could go on and on. The Reps arent perfectm but at least we be fair on all this. They are all corrupt.

More BS from dogjudge
"Again, I said that what Murtha did was wrong. At the same time, I want to see what happens along the way here. If it continues, then we react. Perhaps people screaming about it, will redirect the folks. Maybe."

No, dogjudge, what you said was:

"Until they lead by example, they have absolutely NO right to criticize ANYONE on this type of issue."

Which says that these people have no right to scream, whether doing so will "redirect the folks" or not and which also ignores the responsibility the party in power has to lead by example. The Republicans failed to do this, ad they got voted out of office for it when the Democrats promised to do better. But now that they are in power, they are no better or worse themselves, and you want to give them a pass on it for now and see what happens next, which is guaranteed to get you more of the same (why change their practices when they keep getting away with it?)

Clean-Up
No one wants to clean up anything, they just want to get in power and then do whatever they want. No rules apply for me, I'm in charge.

They all make me sick.

justpaul
Please try to get by your own biases here.

This is the FIRST time the Democrats have faced this issue and they were wrong. I've said that.

To assume that they are going to continue to do it, is partisan and not fair. If that's your point, fine.

I've seen a couple of new Republicans who are trying to change this way of doing business. I hope they succeed. More to the point, I hope that we can get some Democrats to work with them so that the entire system changes. That's how it will get accomplished.

To think this is a Democrat/Republican issue is naive. At the same time, for folks to hold up previous Republicans as the pillar of virtue is simply not true.

Something to Consider dogjudge
If, as you propose, only those who have led by example have a right to complain about another's behavior, every politician currently sitting in Congress, including every Democrat, has no right to say anything about how Bush has done his job. For none of them have shown anything even remotely resembling presidential leadership.

Is that really how you see this system working?

COLD CASH?

And then there's William 'Cold Cash' Jefferson...........

justpaul
I'm sorry, but you keep wanting to make generalities. My guess is that way you can put everything into little boxes and it makes things simple for you. That's fine.

This got started because people were bringing up the Republicans as if they had not done anything wrong in the last six years. Then turn right around and criticize the Democrats.

Hey that's great if you decide to live in that little world. I prefer to look at bigger pictures of issues.

As for criticizing the President and this issue, please don't even go there. First of all there are many in Congress on both sides of the aisle who are reasonable, competent people. Chuck Hagel for example. You probably don't like his political views, but Barak Obama from the other side of the aisle.

As for the President and his actions. He's gotten a totally free ride from oversight for the last six years. It will be many years after he is out of office before we know the truth on a LOT of issues.

Ummm, Craig C-
Congress's approval rating is 10 points below President Bush's, and has been since long before the election, but you won't see that in the news.
Big suprise.

Murtha
I hope Cooper and Blumenauer don't have their cars tires cut. Is Murtha the best his District can do?

Good ole Nancy is really showing some leadership, isn't she?

I am SHOCKED!
SHOCKED, I say!

Really, I can't believe that a woman who was caught RED HANDED bribing fellow congressment, and fined $25,000, won't enforce the ethics rules she herself wrote!

NOT!

If Nancy Pelosi herself simply scoffs at ethics rules and the rule of law, are we really shocked that she won't apply those same rules to her political allies?

Nothing new in that
When Murtha who was VIDEOTAPED (by FBI) asking for a larger bribe in Abscam (1980) is still in Congress--a felony, last I checked--I am not surprised that he's not been censured by his party for his shenanigans!

RE: dogjudge
What the Republicans have done of the past 6 years? Like what? Sending dirty e-mails to a 18-year-old and a 21-year-old, only to be summarily booted from congress by other Republicans? Oh yeah, that really stacks up to:

- Nancy Pelosi getting caught RED HANDED handing out bribes to fellow Democrats in exchange for their vote for her as party leader.

- Harry Reid conpiring with mobsters, shady real estate deals, and ilegally funneling federal jobs and monies to family members.

- Hillary Clinton illegally appropriating campaign funds, and failing to report other funds in her tax statements, along with failing to report the required information about her charity on the tax statements.

- William Jefferson getting nailed accepting bribes when $90,000 of bribery money was found in his refrigerator.

The list goes on and on, and proves beyond all doubt that not only are the mainstream media blatently and irrefutably biased to the left, as evidenced of their spin or complete ignoring of any and all Democrat illegalities, but also that while Republicans who even have any perception of "wrong-doing" (regardless of whether any wrong-doing actually occured -- e.g. Foley and DeLay) are tossed from power, Democrats who are PROVEN criminals are promoted to higher positions of power.

Here's a deal for you
We'll trade you corrupt Democrats over the years for the corrupt Republicans over the years.

Well, I guess that we've come out even.

Gray Ghost
Do you really want a solution that might not require picking up a rifle? Amend the US Constitution to do three things:
1. Repeal the XVII Amendment (popular election of Senators) and return the right of appointment of Senators to the State Legislatures. Make the default solution, unless/until amended or altered by the action of the individual State Legislatures, a direct appointment by the State Legislature. In any case, require a simple majority confirmation (a al "advice and consent") vote of the upper chamber of the state Legislature.
2. Prohibit the use of federal funds for any internal improvements except in cases where all of the monies required to fund the improvements are raised from within the state or federal district in which the improvements will be erected or will have their economic benefit.
3. Require floor debate on all fiscal expenditures and require written juistification within the text of any bill to which a fiscal expenditure is attached.

BikerKnight
Hear, Hear!

dog judge
"This is the FIRST time the Democrats have faced this issue and they were wrong. I've said that."

How old are you? This is by no means the first time. It was how they held a stranglehold on Congress for 40 years.

"Here's a deal for you
We'll trade you corrupt Democrats over the years for the corrupt Republicans over the years.

Well, I guess that we've come out even."

Nope. Republicans and more specifically conservatives have a much lower tolerance for inappropriate actions than Dems or liberals do.

Case in point is Bill Clinton. He commited perjury. That's a felony. He should have been removed from Congress. Had he been a Republican, he would have been... but not because liberals said so... rather because conservatives wouldn't have tolerated it. They probably would've let him sink on the affair alone because of the character implications.

More examples: Mel Reynolds, Gerry Studds, Nancy Pelosi's min wage exemption for Samoa, Hastings, the Barney Frank gay bordello, etc. NO Republican would have survived these scandals... what Foley did pales in comparison to what several did and got away with. Studds actually had a gay affair with a page and continued in Congress for 23 years after.

BTW, notably you objected when Murtha's history was brought up in the very context that you pointed to Republican history... though it wasn't the subject of the article either.

Rules are a Living Doc for Dems
I don't see the problem here. Libs consider the constitution a living document subject to change with the time. No difference with house rules. They're made to be broken unless of course you're a republican, then rules become moral values which when broken cost you your job.

But hey, since no one repub holds the dems accountable it must be ok with both parties. Republicans are proving themselves to be nothing but gutless/spineless idiots.


Murtha's outburst
I'm not surprised that no action was taken against Murtha. The Ethics Rules are probablly just another one of the constant Non-Binding Resolutions that this Congress likes to pass.

Sounds good BK
I would also like to see the HoR increased by 400-500%. We are much less represented now than we were in the past. Further, a Congressional candidate should be able to win election within a year with shoe leather... instead of high profile marketing campaigns.

In 1790, each representative had about 60,000 constituents. Now it is approaching 700,000.

We no longer have representative gov't nor should we expect to with that ratio.

Yet More "Do as I Say, Not As I Do" from
the dems. The sad part is that the Repubs will let Murtha skate for an item that a Repub would have been made to step down for. But the reality is that this infraction is peanuts compared to Murtha's treason towards his own fellow brothers in arms over the past three years. So nothing is surprising here.

sjt18
Please. Just what we all need, but Bill Clinton . . .

Get over it.

I can give you a list of Republicans and Democrats over the last 40 years. So what.

Your position that no conservative politician has ever committed improper acts is ridiculous. More to the point, given the history behind the Clinton persecution, you are showing your true lack of original thought and ideas. If a Republican had done what Clinton did . . . Please. How about if the Democrats had done what the Newt Gingrich Republicans had done . . .

sjt18
Bill Clinton was never in Congress. Therefore he could not be removed from Congress.

He SHOULD have been removed as President, though.

i was once told
oh man! you gotta be kidding me. this attorney purge is gonna redefine political crimes and the echo chamber is getting emptier. that's a sign of a dictatorship... the neo-con echo spews propaganda that nobody believes and it's still being transmitted via the corporate controlled MSM!

One more piece of evidence...
...that Democrats believe that they, and only they, should make the rules, and that the rules are meant to control the behaviot of Republicans and conservatives. Democrats and liberals can do whatever they want.

Representation in Federal Government
Returning Senatorial appointment to the Legislatures would perform a significant service to this nation by returning some measure of sovereignty to those entities which have been cut out of representation: the State governments.Our Legislatures are also stuck dealing with the adverse effects on our own States of many of the lousy laws passed by Congress. They need a voice to bring the federal governement to heel when necessary.

It was not my suggestion, but raising the level of representation to the maximum allowed in the Constitution would seem to make good sense as well. The Constitution only requires that the numer of Representatives not exceed one for every 30,000 citizens. We are definitely not in danger of exceeding that Constitutional limitation. That said, because there is not now anything essential precluding it, I am not sure of the mechanism we could use to insist upon more reasonable ratios of representatives to population (say, 1 per 50,000 in census).

Bikerknight
Coming from a populous state, I agree with your comments.

Once there was an artificial limitation put on representatives, smaller states certainly got a disproportionate say in the running of the Federal government.

anything new?
Al Qaeda in Iraq. Latest news

svpallava
"When Murtha who was VIDEOTAPED (by FBI) asking for a larger bribe in Abscam (1980) is still in Congress--a felony, last I checked--I am not surprised that he's not been censured by his party for his shenanigans!"

I already posted that info earlier.

Blind Eye With a Piece of the Pie
Amanda Carpenter's title could have been used at almost anytime over the past fifty years. Except for recently, the Democrats have held one---usually both---houses of Congress in an iron grip. They have led us down the primrose path of spending on bloated programs that don't have the promised result, national treachery, breaking their promises, breaking their own rules, and a myriad other poor policies. Remember the lengthy War on Poverty that cost, what?, many trillions of dollars? Well, we lost it. Poverty is still around, mostly because of high taxes, prices and personal situations which can generally be traced to Democrat policies. The Great Society. The Peanut Era [of National ennui.] Those are the times when the Presidency was in Democrat hands as well. Talk about a travesties. While some of the Great Society was good, all-in-all it created a deeply entrenched welfare society with a permanent underclass who usually vote Democrat because of the welcomed largesse. Just a few more lessons in how not to run a free Country, I guess.

I'm reminded of my Mom who spent years railing against Republicans. When asked for specifics, she came up with plenty. Trouble was, all her complaints were about the Democrats. But, she still wouldn't change her mind no matter what the facts. Ah, well.

Instead of complaining about how the Republicans didn't do a great job when they led the Congress, consider the job that would have been done by the Democrat power-leadership. Republicans don't seem so bad after all, do they?

Nothing the Democrats do surprises me anymore. From sex to murder to graft to treachery, the Democrats garner very high points. Despite their flaws, I'll stick with the Republicans. The Country must not dangerously decline under the Democrat facilitators.

The worst part
Did everybody miss this part:


"Speaker Pelosi defended Murtha on the May 20 edition of ABC’s This Week. “Congressman Murtha enjoys an excellent reputation in the Congress on both sides of the aisle," she said. "He writes the defense appropriation bill in a bipartisan way each year and with the complete involvement of the Republicans as to who gets what on the Republican side.”

"...as to who gets what..."

If that isn't the quintescential definition of Congress, I don't know what is.

Not ever a thought to what is best for the country, what is a Constitutionally appropriate expenditure, nor to what is neccesary.

Out with them all.

Same Old Same Old
So why do we continue to read the same articles over and over about the corruption on both sides and helplessly make the same comments again and again? The only way we can change the system is to vote out the "old guard" in both parties and install term limits. It is the only way we can control the corruption and to insure our representatives really represent us and not themselves.

We can either keep watching and commenting or finally get to the point where we do something. Has anyone heard of a "grass roots movement"?

Get rid of the old guard?
Nope - we have to get rid of the Marxists who control most of the Democrat party and some of the Republican party (RINOs). Ever since FDR used our military to protect Stalin in WWII, the Democrats have taken us closer to communism.

Amen, wiseone
Right on point, wiseone. If Murtha and the dems can't have their way, they sling spit and outrage. Meanwhile the Queen of the Estrogen Triplets does NOTHING! Figures. Keep watching and the Dems will implode. Being in power is not good for either party.

murtha
is still a crook

garydc
concise, and to the point

Yes, the OLD Guard
That would be anyone who has been in the house or senate for more than five years. Anyone who is looking forward to retiring with the over $100,000 a year pension they will receive from us for doing nothing but perpetuating their own power (not the voter's wishes) for all those years. And anyone coming in would not be there for however long we choose by voting for term limits. That would cover the marxists, communists, and everyone in between!

Has the most ethical Congress

Has the most ethical Congress got around to cancelling pensions for its members who end up in jail? They don't seem to have managed member names on the earmarks website yet...

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