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Wednesday, October 31, 2007
Allison Kasic :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Coming Academic Title Wave
by Allison Kasic
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If the October 17th House hearing is any indication, a full-scale assault on the academy is coming. The target: STEM (science, technology, engineering, and mathematics) fields. The charge: wide scale discrimination against women.

Witnesses, Congressmen, and a crowd of over 100 people gathered last Wednesday on Capitol Hill for a hearing on women in academic science and engineering. No Committee Member or panelist challenged the presumption behind the hearing—that discrimination is the primary cause of women’s underrepresentation among science and engineering academics—they turned right to consideration of government-mandated solutions to the perceived problem.

Several panelists, including former Secretary of Health and Human Services Donna Shalala, spoke of the need for massive “institutional transformation.” Chairman Brian Baird (D-WA) asked what sort of “hammer” the government could use to enforce this transformation. A popular answer was Title IX.

Normally associated with gender equity in athletics, Title IX (and the strict gender quotas that come along with it) could also be used to increase female participation in STEM fields. Rep. Vernon Ehlers (R-MI), the ranking Republican on the subcommittee, went so far as to joke that the sciences should be designated as a sport. This would have two advantages: “NCAA rules would apply” and the sciences would “share in the football revenues.”

Shalala complained that, as a university president, she hears from a variety of government agencies and organizations about gender equity in sports, but rarely hears anything about gender equity in science. She went on to stress the need for an organization similar to the NCAA to hold schools accountable for Title IX enforcement.

Another way to force change is pulling Congressional purse strings. The message from panelists was loud and clear: money talks and the government should leverage its funds to “ensure results.”

Gretchen Ritter from the University of Texas at Austin also envisioned university provosts holding STEM department chairs accountable for their hiring practices with strict financial consequences, such as a year-long hiring freeze. Translation: hire more women or else.

But before Congress or universities embrace drastic measures to attempt to increase the percentage of women in these fields, they should begin with an unbiased look at the root causes.

A National Academies of Sciences report detailing bias in academic science is taken as gospel, but critics allege that the NAS report glosses over contrary findings and downplays alternative explanations for the discrepancies.

Unfortunately, in many circles, including the academy and apparently now Congressional committees, the topic is too taboo to challenge. You’ll recall that not long ago, Harvard President Lawrence Summers was swiftly kicked out the door for asking if innate biological differences between the sexes might be a factor in the disproportional representation in the STEM disciplines.

Shalala may confidently conclude, “women opt out of careers in academic science because of the hostile environment,” but what if Summers is right and other factors are at play? Leading experts go back and forth on the issue of innate differences between the sexes and the significance of stereotype threat as they relate to women and science. There is a very real possibility that biology, personality, ability, and several other factors are at play here. All of these deserve honest exploration. Universities and colleges should examine their practices and consider ways that they can encourage talented women to explore and remain engaged in these fields. But they should do so not in a desire to reach some government quota, but because women have much to offer in terms of research and other contributions. We shouldn’t assume that the optimal make up of any department or field will be equal numbers of men and women: our goal should be to ensure that men and women both are welcomed to pursue study and careers in any area they choose.

The October 17th hearing was the first in a series. Hopefully the upcoming hearings will show more of a commitment to honest debate. It’s foolhardy to jump straight to solutions without considering first if there’s a problem and its nature. Let’s hope that Congress gets back to the basics and takes a fresh, unbiased look at the subject at hand.

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Why isn't our concern equal?
To be fair, why aren't we worried about the lack of men becoming teachers? Why aren't we holding meetings to address why men aren't becoming nurses, or daycare workers, or hairdressers?

I'm a woman, have two degrees, and hated taking math and science. No discrimination involved--I just preferred rhetoric and debate.

Show all of us taxpayers the proof that women aren't succeeding in STEM because of discrimination. Frankly, none of my four daughters want to follow in the STEM majors either, but that doesn't mean they can't find success and fulfillment elsewhere.

Stupidity U
Universities were once places where the search for the truth reigned supreme. No more. The reason? Government involvement. We need to get the Federal and the State governments completely out of education. Our public schools teach kids very little and are infested with gangs. Our universities and colleges grant degrees in such useful areas as gender studies.

Even the least affected fields are off track. For example, few structural engineers know how to design a simple house after they graduate, something our company can teach a smart person how to do in a couple of months.

No mention
about the massive disparity (and growing) of women's and men's numbers on campus. About 60% versus 40%. No mention of the male/female disparity of humanities, social science, and ed. majors. Let's just call the sciences a sport. In fact, we could have men's teams and women's teams. If we could just figure out a way for men to menstruate and have babies, we could heave a sigh of relief, join hands and sing Kumbayah, and revel in true parity. Perhaps the government could make that a funding priority for the newly hired female scientists that don't really want to be scientists.

Nature and Nurture
Radical Feminists refuse to accept that differences between the sexes could be explained by anything other than socialization. Countless scientific studies argue that there are, in fact, inherent differences between the sexes. Aside from the obvious physical differences, male brains develop differently because of increased exposure to testosterone while in the womb. The differences manifest themselves in how we think. As an example, men are better at spatial perception while woman are better at seeing the big picture.

Some would argue differences are too slight to take into account. I would argue that the differences, when played out over time, become substantial.

As a simple metaphor, let’s examine golf. Men typically drive the ball 75 yards longer than women; that’s why women tie off closer to the hole. Let’s have a typical male and female golfer drive a ball. Let’s be generous and say the male only drives his ball 50 yards further. Next, each golfer ties off from where their ball landed. After 10 rounds, the male’s ball is now 500 yards further down range. It’s easy to see that even small differences, when played out over time, can accumulate into large differences.

The same holds true with cognitive differences.

Of course, there are always exceptions to the rule; feminine males and masculine females. The Radical Feminists always take these exceptions and try to generalize them across the population.

I’m all for equal opportunity in academia and in the real world; however, no one will ever be able to change the facts. Women are from Venus and men are from Mars!

Why not celebrate the differences rather than create drama behind them!

http://klintons.com

The unintended consequences
of Title IX are legion. Few women benefit or care, while many marginal men's sports, such as wrestling, have been de facto eliminated. Now the PC idiots want to do this to STEM, the engine that drives modern quality of life. Crazy Crazy Crazy. If i were 25 again, i would be looking to emigrate. As it is, i wonder what is going to happen next. We left todays kids a going concern, albeit warts and all. Will they be able to keep it?

Simple explanation
Make believe degrees from make believe departments are addressing make believe problems.

(That way they can get paid...) Simple!!

Another Metaphor
Hichham El Guerrouj and Mary Slaney each hold the record for running a mile; He ran a mile in 3:43.13 while her time was 4:16.71. One unfortunate day, they wandered onto ground zero where a nuclear test was in progress. They suddenly realized they only had 8 minutes to run the minimum 2-miles to escape certain death.

hmmm...

http://klintons.com

Music Scholarships for the tone deaf?
Now they can dumb down engineering programs at major universities so that the verbally skilled women can pass. Good grief. Maybe they should start requiring that tone-deaf people (like me) be awarded full music scholarships, because that is only fair. I am female with an engineering degree, and I am fully aware that I am not normal. I was never encouraged to teach. I never considered my engineering school a "hostile environment." Quite the contrary. We are marching away from the "individual" and into the group-think/communist-socialist mind set in academics.

The Equality Lie
One more round of the feminists wanting more money. If these feminists were so confident of women's abilities in the STEM areas, why did they get their degrees in: Women's Studies, English, HR, History, ; Psychology, Education, etc. They didn't take on the tough subjects - why not? They're not interested in the topic, the work or the preciseness of measurement. It's sure a lot easier to get an "A" in humanities than it is in real hard core science and math b/c there is a definite right and wrong answer in the latter.

These women do not want to be held accountable. I will agree there was and probably is to some extent, discrimination of women in the past and there always will be. Do, who said life was fair. Deal with it. These feminists cannot make a case so they run to the government to do it.

Title IX was designed for opportunity. Carter and company gained power in DC and the law was changed for someone's perception of equality.

I agree with everything said before this post - I lived through all the rigmarole of feminism, have two degrees, teach Mgt. Info Sys. (computer science for college business majors - not programming) and have seen it all. This move is pure BUNK.

do you believe this?
Recent perusal of the site 'NDnation.com' shows that one of ND's grads is beginning to make some noise about changing the wording of the Notre Dame Fight Song. If the petitioner is granted her wish, the phrase "while her loyal sons are marching onward to victory" will be changed to "while her loyal sons and daughters are marching onward to victory".

The wording of the petition, of course, was appropriately gushy and offended and stuff.

Rumor has it that Paul McCartney owns the rights to the song.


I wish I were kidding. I really do.

Wired different
is what a wonderful physics prof. is at my home U. She is a female "geek." She has no fashion sense whatsoever, holds her gray plastic frames for her glasses together with masking tape, and she's brilliant. All faculty and students alike know it. She is greatly beloved, but she is wired different. It's almost impossible to hold a "small talk" conversation with her and her humor is quirky. I adore her and wish there were more of her. But, there are more males like her than females. C'mon, let's get a grip and admit the obvious. The trouble is, for the social engineers, it's rocket science.

Getting rid of men?
In Title IX sports solutions, if they can't get enough women interested in sports, they have shut down men's teams in order to achieve the desired "proportionality."
So if they can't get enough women faculty in the science and engineering fields will they fire some of the men in order to have "proportionality"?

I'll make the same comment
I made yesterday on another thread. Liberal Darwinists hold to the theory that evolution is absolutely random and indiscriminate, yet they act as if there is some Universal Social Worker handing out talent, skills and intelligence in absolute equal proportions, making sure that everyone is the same.

Does this make sense? If evolution is really random, there are bound to be differences in the way individuals evolve. But that assumption is based on rationale, something liberals have never had an abundance of.

unintended consequences
For those of us already in the field of engineering, this means an upcoming shortage of engineers (and more pay because we are rarer). There are already incentives to get women into scientific fields, but unless the government is going to mandate that all girls whose school scores are above, say, 85% MUST go into engineering there won't be enough interest. So the net result of "as many women as men" will be to lower the number of men allowed to apply.

Oh, and to lower the standards needed to pass. Roughly 1/3 of each incoming first year class fails either 1st or 2nd year. I would estimate (based on my circle of friends at school) that this accounts for 1/2 of the female applicants. If the school is really serious about increasing the number of female grads they'll have to lower the standards for the female applicants (so sorry to those women who actually can do the courseload: you're now painted with the same brush as an affirmative action graduate). But lower standards are OK, no-one really wants buildings and bridges to stand, do they?

"Shalala ... a university president...."
Okay, hold it down please. Isn't she the condom king of the Klintoon administration and teach the little ones to have sex? Larry Summers, an ex- U president said that females are different. Aren't they? Little boys take things apart to see how they tick. Little girls are taught by their female mothers (what other kind are there) to dress little doll toys. A little later in life, boys learn and play spatial games and sports while girls are taught by their female mothers to buy clothes and makeup and dress full sized females - with clothing that is short at the hip, bare at the middle, and v-shaped or off the shoulder at the top. with this kind of upbringing, tell me how or why they are not different. An old expression -- clothes make the difference -- may explain part of the situation.

A question about Title IX etc
Okay, is Title IX about EQUALITY for female athletes as compared to male athletes? It does not appear that way to me...rather it appears to be "separate but equal"...which we all know is illegal; thus I would suggest that instead of having boy basketball and girl basketball just have basketball. The same for hockey, football, track, swimming, etc. Oh BTW, no quotas just the best athletes.

In regard to the STEM aspect, I have two daughters...one is "normal" and the other is "less than normal" (her words not mine) with an age difference of only two years. The normal one just graduated with a degree in film studies (history, archiving, and restoration). The less than normal is getting her Ph.D. in parasitology. Both were encouraged by me (their Dad...Ph.D. in Physiology and Biophysics) to enter science as a career. So two girls, same mother, same father (I hope!!!), same house, same encouragement. Yet one thought science was icky and the other thought it was cool. Since I'm also "less than normal"...see some of my previous posts...I'm inclined to believe that a person must be "hardwired" for STEM abilities.

Profblog
"The trouble is, for the social engineers, it's rocket science."

Social engineers + rockets....mmmmmm.....OMG!!!!

INCOMING...HIT THE DIRT!!!

Political Correctness
Well, now the corrupt PC university crowd is going to get what they have been willing to have everyone else swallow for the last 30 years. Why not completely ruin the university, like it has ruined many other parts of society?

Summers did not women are different
He stupidly posited an academic question in front of an audience with many women PhD's and professorships that women might not be highly represented in math and science because of "innate" differences.

He asked a question.

I'm sure he now wishes he shot himself first.

Then, all the women-equal-to-men rushed out of the room shrieking and crying and vomiting like Victorians getting the vapors. What a wonderful sight to re-affirm women's equality.

Women are different. (I am one, so I am an expert.) We have diff. musculature, hormones, and bodily functions, like producing menstrstion and babies. We have smaller brains and show diff. uses of it in solving problems (PET scans), altho' the answers may be exactly correct and the same as men's. In early development, female infants usually smile and talk first. I rest my case.

IrightI
LOL...
early NASA rockets that fired but never lifted. And, that was with rocket scientists! Can't wait to see if holding hands in a circle and singing kumbaya will "lift" everyone to a higher plane. I'm humanities, but love logic, do all my own building and car repair. Why not more female grease monkies? Let's push for parity in that field.

What is lost
in this kind of mandate will be the desire for our students to excel. Liberal thinking is obsessed with equality of results over equality of opportunity (Thomas Sowell's words). Why should anyone strive to excel when Big Brother will use the "hammer" to ensure everyone ends up with the same life results?

Once our Universities were recognized as a scarce resource that only our best and brightest competed for the opportunity to enter. Performance was king. Now liberals view a degree as some kind of "right" for even illegal immigrants.

The end result will be industry will begin to view degrees as meaningless, and our youth will not be incented to the challenge to achieve their potential.

Virus of political correctness
It is truly unfortunate conventional dogma has has poisoned any hope for a reasoned analysis of this issue.

To assert as indisputible fact an OPINION that gender bias accounts for disparity of women in the hard sciences, forecloses any discussion of explanations at variance with such conventional dogma.

The pernicious virus of political correctness has infected academia, and like any virus, forces its host to make copies of itself, i.e., to replicate the false assumptions of the virus.

National Academy of Sciences is merely one of many victims of this virus.

The same group of folks who assert women have the same aptitude in the hard sciences as men, would presumably also assert women have the same aptitude to succeed as offensive linemen in the NFL, as males.

Oh, excuse my bias, the above should read "the same aptitude to succeed as offensive LINEPERSONS in the NFL...".

How utterly absurd. P.C. virus is like a rot that attacks the foundations of serious debate and prevents discussion into areas deemed to be "offlimits".


Misandry on campus
Title IX says NOTHING about sports. Title IX is about "educational programs." Virtually levery college and university in the USA flouts Title IX all over campus. Women's Studies Departments with no equal Men's Studies Department. A "Women's Center" with no equal men's center. The finanical aid office gives many more financial aide packages to females. The English department teaches "Feminist Theory" but no "Masculinist Theory" Virtually every college and university in the US is in open, notorious, and flagrant illegal violation of Titlie IX, descrimiating against men. And of course our misandrist anti-men government does nothing about it at all -- other than find more ways to oppresss men and promote femiNazi domination. For a longer siscussion on my blog see the link.

Bob

Catch More of Bob at: http://bobstruth.blogspot.com/2007/10/misandry-on-campus.h tml

Stay at home moms
I have female neighbors that have MBAs, law degrees and M.D. degrees. In their thirties, with degrees from prestigious schools. None are gainfully employed, all by their own decisions. They chose to allow their male spouses to be the gainfully employed.

Make my day, please reverse this!

The Coming Academic Title Wave
A B.S. degree stands for "Bull S**t".
An M.S. degree stand for "More of the Same".
And a PhD stands for "Piled Higher and Deeper".

Have all colleges and universities completely given up on the "scientific method" we used to learn in high school to prove or disprove a hypothesis? Find out the root-cause of why there are fewer women in the sciences rather than begin with a flawed hypothesis and reach a conclusion that supports it!

Academic morons.

JR
Atlanta

Women in Science and Math Fields
I was just talking to my wife about this. She is a nurse and adept in math and science. She said the problem is that high school and college counselors steer women like this into the medical or teaching fields. It would be good to correct this problem, but to expect quota's on women in these fields is absurd to say the least. Most girls don't have an aptitude in these areas and to try to make anyone do work they don't have an aptitude for is absurd!
God bless,
Marlin

We're doomed
We just have to give them their turn at the wheel and hope the crash isn't too painfull.


For tmercer @ 00:27
You asked to be shown "evidence that women ARE NOT succeeding in STEM due to discrimination".

Although not exactly what you wanted, I CAN show you precisely the opposite--that of women succeeding irrespective of discrimination. Simply pay a visit to the University of Calgary's Faculty of Engineering and look at the Dean's Lists (which are preserved in "trophy" format) for the years 1981 to 1990--you will see the names of more than a few women on there (some of whom I actually knew as classmates), who now work at such diverse companies as Norcen, PetroCan, Genstar, ...

This drives me crazy!!
I am getting so sick of this universal victim hood of women!!!!!!!

Will the feminists ever stop whining and complaining and lobbing? (rhetorical question)


When are we going to address the gender discrimination for other things?

-Occupational fatalities: 93% male; 7% female
-Military casualties: 98% male; 2% female
-Suicides: 85% male; 15% female

STEM
Being a woman or a man does not qualify any one
for a specific occupation knowledge experience and sanity does. In the matter of procreation, only a woman can produce an egg and only a man can ferti;ize it. To yry to equate male and female
in knowledge,strength.experience is even worse
because of phisiological differences. A man's brain and a womans brain even work differently
The strongest man will always be stronger than the strongest woman. As far as sanity goes the differences are irrelevent, if you are insane
you can be elected to Congress and that is a fact that is proven daily.

Academic Equity
Fine! If women want quotas in the sciences, then men should get quotas in college. We would have to reduce women back to fifty percent and replace them with men. After that we can go to work on women drink free night at the bars. What about nursing and education schools? Why stop there? Why should sports be gender exclusive? Or locker rooms? We had two women's state champion tennis players come out for the mens team at my school. They couldn't beat any of the guys and unfortunately one got pregnant during the season. Does the left have any common sense?

A woman disagrees
I am a woman who has a Math/Computer Science degree and have worked in the defense industry for 19 years. I have never experienced hostility or discrimination and in fact, have been promoted many times above men. The field is 80% male. I have 250 staff, 230 of which are male. I don't discriminate against women, there are just fewer women in the field.

Ms. Hopkins

The ultimate source of this problem
is, of course, the fact that our current form of government has too much power. Eventually, the US and world government will grind away at our freedom and that will be that. A new revolution will be required. It's kind of sad that we were unable to keep our freedom in this country.

Brilliant society that we are
... we want to put toddlers in Ho Couture.... give girls condoms when they're 11 so teenage boys and adults won't have to be inconvenienced by any morality-induced unavailability for sex, or consequences from it... cater to the silliest side of femininity with whole industries devoted to making girls feel important and special about having hysterics, being out of control, and generating bargain-basement personal drama...

... and then have all the girls turn into rocket scientists by the time they're 30.


Ever Try to Buddy With a Mathematician?
I have on several occasions. Permit me to be brief, though there are volumes behind my comments.

If you are trying to win the attention of your professors so that you can become a professional mathematician, please understand that mathematicians are a breed apart. Regardless of performance in your classes, you will be judged on your personality and your "mathematcal aptitude." The latter is about as mysterious as grace in the Christian church. In other words, you will be elected or not on the basis of matters that you cannot control. I attended graduate school with a man who received a grade of incomplete for all courses taken in the first two years. But he was always anointed and is today.

Why women should want to enter such a field is beyond me. The career can be described clearly and simply. Go into a small room with a small desk and a note pad. Work there at least four hours a day for the rest of your life. Get acquainted with colleagues who believe that working in that small room is as good as it gets.

Pardon me for stereotyping, though I believe that I am not, but most women have a drive for children and family that is simply not understood by mathematicians. There is not empathy. Pllease understand that the difficuly is not the family and its needs, not by a long shot. The difficulty is the drive that gave rise to the family. Such a drive is beyond the empathy, sympathy, or understanding of professional mathematicians. (By the way, when speaking of professional mathematicans, I mean persons who have achieved a Ph. D. and tenure or a comparable professional position, not actuaries working for a business.

Feminist whining & complaining
"Johnnyp writes: Wednesday, October, 31, 2007 10:44 AM
This drives me crazy!!
I am getting so sick of this universal victim hood of women!!!!!!!

Will the feminists ever stop whining and complaining and lobbing? (rhetorical question)"

Answer: "If you give a mouse a cookie..."

Equality?
Examine the ulterior motives of Feminism in general: “First Wave” Feminism was ostensibly sold as “equality of opportunity.” This is perfectly reasonable. The book “Why Men Earn More” ,by Dr Warren Farrell, extensively documents that when women are willing to make the same choices (same education major, same profession, same work hours, same work load, same personal sacrifices, etc.) as their male counterparts, women earn as much if not more than men. The problem is most women aren’t willing to make those choices. When this fact resulted in a failure to produce enough engineers & scientists to suit feminists, “Second wave” Feminism became all about allowing over-privileged women “equality of outcome” (e.g., Affirmative Action, quotas, Title IX, etc.) in the public domain while retaining their domestic power-base monopoly. Women are quite sexist when it comes to who has the choice of staying at home vice being the ambulatory wallet. Women may be sexually-objectified but men are “success” objectified by women. Now “Third wave” Feminism is all about overt “female-chauvinism” in the guise of gender Marxism: “Comparable worth”, e.g., education majors (80% women) should be paid the same as engineers (80% men.) Never mind that a post industrial, information technology-driven economy needs engineers more than education majors. Never mind that education majors have the lowest average SAT and GRE test scores of any academic major. Never mind that engineers work more days and longer hours & actually have to produce a “quantifiable” product.


Equality?
Examine the ulterior motives of Feminism in general: “First Wave” Feminism was ostensibly sold as “equality of opportunity.” This is perfectly reasonable. The book “Why Men Earn More” ,by Dr Warren Farrell, extensively documents that when women are willing to make the same choices (same education major, same profession, same work hours, same work load, same personal sacrifices, etc.) as their male counterparts, women earn as much if not more than men. The problem is most women aren’t willing to make those choices. When this fact resulted in a failure to produce enough engineers & scientists to suit feminists, “Second wave” Feminism became all about allowing over-privileged women “equality of outcome” (e.g., Affirmative Action, quotas, Title IX, etc.) in the public domain while retaining their domestic power-base monopoly. Women are quite sexist when it comes to who has the choice of staying at home vice being the ambulatory wallet. Women may be sexually-objectified but men are “success” objectified by women. Now “Third wave” Feminism is all about overt “female-chauvinism” in the guise of gender Marxism: “Comparable worth”, e.g., education majors (80% women) should be paid the same as engineers (80% men.) Never mind that a post industrial, information technology-driven economy needs engineers more than education majors. Never mind that education majors have the lowest average SAT and GRE test scores of any academic major. Never mind that engineers work more days and longer hours & actually have to produce a “quantifiable” product.


Feminism
Despite all the not so apparent benefits FEMINISM (i.e., Gender Marxism) has brought to contemporary American society, American MEN continue to do all the heavy lifting (90% of overtime, 95% of all work related deaths, etc.), pay the majority of income taxes. Top 50% of wager earners (Majority: MEN!!) pay 96% of all income taxes that support a welfare state that benefits women. Despite that fact that only 60% of American women work outside the home, they control 80% of all family income. They comprise 54% of the electorate. Thanks to affirmative action/quotas, Female-only technical scholarships, (e.g. Intel), Title IX, women graduate college 33% more frequently than men. Yet they still dominate the “fun”, soft-science, mental masturb*tion degrees: english, sociology, psychology, anthropology, women’s studies, education, etc. which will guarantee that they will have trouble supporting a family & spouse, much less themselves. Why? When given the opportunity most women still don’t apply to the lucrative “analytically-challenging” majors, e.g., Engineering. Most women still enjoy the non-lucrative “fun” majors because they figure that some dumb male will eventually support them financially. The big lie that is easier being housewife than actually earning living in a traditional male profession. Additionally, American women bring about 70% of divorce actions, have children out of wedlock at least 37% of the time, and are invariably “entitled” to child custody, child support, and alimony. Their near monopoly WRT child custody results in women committing 60% of all child abuse.

Now society is electing female politicians who are in the process of accelerating the male to female transfer of income & opportunity. It doesn’t sound like men are the “empowered” gender in the grand scheme of things.

Feminism
Despite all the not so apparent benefits FEMINISM (i.e., Gender Marxism) has brought to contemporary American society, American MEN continue to do all the heavy lifting (90% of overtime, 95% of all work related deaths, etc.), pay the majority of income taxes. Top 50% of wager earners (Majority: MEN!!) pay 96% of all income taxes that support a welfare state that benefits women. Despite that fact that only 60% of American women work outside the home, they control 80% of all family income. They comprise 54% of the electorate. Thanks to affirmative action/quotas, Female-only technical scholarships, (e.g. Intel), Title IX, women graduate college 33% more frequently than men. Yet they still dominate the “fun”, soft-science, mental masturb*tion degrees: english, sociology, psychology, anthropology, women’s studies, education, etc. which will guarantee that they will have trouble supporting a family & spouse, much less themselves. Why? When given the opportunity most women still don’t apply to the lucrative “analytically-challenging” majors, e.g., Engineering. Most women still enjoy the non-lucrative “fun” majors because they figure that some dumb male will eventually support them financially. The big lie that is easier being housewife than actually earning living in a traditional male profession. Additionally, American women bring about 70% of divorce actions, have children out of wedlock at least 37% of the time, and are invariably “entitled” to child custody, child support, and alimony. Their near monopoly WRT child custody results in women committing 70% of all child abuse.

Now society is electing female politicians who are in the process of accelerating the male to female transfer of income & opportunity. It doesn’t sound like men are the “empowered” gender in the grand scheme of things.

Helen Reddy
I am woman
Hear me whine

For Sawmiler @ 14:30
I have an even worse experience than trying to be buddies with a mathematician--I'm the son of one! LOL.

College Math Instructor
I for one am glad my college statistics instructor went into math ... she was smokin' hot! And deadly intelligent about math too. I asked her a question about a formula, and she rattled that thing off with no effort whatsoever. An awesome combination ...

Also, does anyone remember Danica McKellar from "Wonder Years"? She wrote a math book.

Both of these women got there by merit and knowledge of mathematics, not quotas.

WOMEN'S "EQUALITY"

Many years ago, when the women's rights movements were just beginning, we had neighbors who were really good neighbors and good friends.

Most of the women on our block were homemakers at the time.

The husband of the couple mentioned above told his wife that she had equal rights and there was no discrimination in their household -- that every time she wanted to go somewhere, he told her it was all right.

We have come a long way since then.

However, there will be discrimination against women as long as there will be discrimination against black people.

'Way back then, I thought it might be about a hundred years before women would be considered equal in all the fields of endeavor. Same with the consideration of black people.

I wonder now about that hundred years of which I was so confident. Maybe a hundred years from NOW. Maybe.

Blind Leading the Blind
Have you ever observed that the preponderance of those advocating for equal male to female representation in the hard sciences are by-and-large graduates with soft-science (humanities) degrees. They take their arguments to politicians who generally are not graduates of the hard-sciences either.

Given the above, it’s really not hard to imagine why laws such as Title IX are passed. Scientific evidence that contradicts what the Radical Feminists are selling isn’t even factored into the formula. Why confuse the situation with empirical evidence when all that is required to argue your point is feelings!

I’ve come to the conclusion that Fem-Nazis are incapable of processing information (facts) that are in conflict with their programming. Their entire brain matter is occupied with PC BS.

http://klintons.com

Time to take names and kick butts
I want to know WHO discriminated against these women? NAME NAMES!

(SILENCE SO LOUD IT SCREAMS!)

Just one name, please.

The truth is: the geeks in STEM love women in their fields. If it weren't for the occasional female *not quite normal* they would never SEE one!

Inconvenient facts
I agree that universities do not need to be forced to let more women into the STEM fields. I think if you set quotas you'll get minimally more women and have to deny a lot of men.

However, I do need to point out to people that Michael Gurion ("The Mind of Boys") points out that girls are doing very well in math and science these days in elementary and high school while boys are not. His scientific studies show that men and women do have different brain patterns that affect learning, but he goes further to say that science and math education were adjusted over the last 30 years to improve the efficacy for girls and is now leaving the boys behind. Girls are, by and large, doing much better in school overall than boys, but where boys used to excell in math and science while girls excelled in English and History, boy now aren't excelling at anything.

So, you would think there'd be more women than men applying for STEM majors, but there still aren't. I'm not going to draw a conclusion on this one because, frankly, I'm puzzled, but it's worth considering. If girls are doing so much better in elementary and secondary school in science and math, why do men still dominate these fields in college and careers?

Aurora
Self-taught?

How many of the women this helps
will be agenda driven feminists more interested in department chairships than in doing science?

global competitiveness
just this past weekend, I read an article somewhere on the web concerning american universities' claims on the intellectual property arising out of sponsored research on campus, and how increasingly aggressive US universities (and their "offices of technology transfer") are causing research-sponsoring corporations to avoid them in favor of eager, more liberal (with regard to ownership) and highly technically qualified institutions abroad in places like india and china, where their money also goes a lot farther.

in light of the foregoing, the idea of even creating the perception that we are weakening the sciences in american universities should be very troubling, particularly to the governing elites entrusted with maintaining the ship of state. the fact that they're all present at the hearing, bloviating behind their microphones and unquestioningly buying into these hypothetical assumptions is really *bad* and bodes ill for the future of our country as an international leader.

for the first time, i am afraid for my young daughter's future.

Engineering Immigration
I'm an Electrical Engineer and I never saw evidence of discrimination against female engineering students in college. If anything, us male engineering students wished there were more women in our classes. Funny how the chairs near women in engineering classes always filled up first. However, what readers need to know is that US companies import roughly half of all new electrical engineers from countries like India and China, bypassing US undergraduate education, and those engineers are overwhelmingly male. If you have a good aptitude for math and science and want to emigrate to the US, an engineering career and the H-1B visa is your ticket in.

An Objective(?) View
Just ask anyone who's Intersexed or Transsexual if there are differences between typical male and typical fermale neurology.

Those who have attempted to live in a cross-gendered social role because their soma didn't match their neourology know all too well how significant the differences are.

I'm in Australia, and a member of the Women in Technology and Communication. The problem is that we could reasonably expect something like 20-30% of engineers to be female based on typical biological differences. But the actual number is 8-12%, indicating that talent is going to waste. Because *most* women may not particularly care for an area, there's a social pressure for conformity to prevent *any* women from going into that area. The same applies for guys too, the biological differences are real, but amplified greatly by social stigma. A guy whose ambition is to be a Kindergarten teacher had better be a Football player too, or he'll have a hard time at school.

Quotas aren't the answer: a shift in culture, making it plain that it's OK to be a Geek Girl to teens and pre-teens is what is required.

Remember individuals differ, and should be treated as individuals, not stereotyped members of a particular class. The only intervention required is to balance out such social stereotyping, then give freedom to boys and girls to choose whatever *they* want, not what anyone *thinks* they should want. Not even me.

And as a matter of fact, I *am* a Rocket Scientist. I work on Naval Combat Systems too.

Gender equality in college
I'm all for equal representation of women and men in college.

Congress should do something now about the shocking gender disparity - College enrollment is now 55% women vs. 45% men.

This is what the story should have said
First Law of Thermodynamics is Misogynist

TLoA Newswire

The Propaganda Organization for Women (POW) physics department today
anounced the acceptance of a grant from the federal government for the study
of hate speech contained within the First Law of Thermodynamics. "We're
concerned that the law as it stands is really just a cover for the rampant
misogyny contained therein", said Ms. Andrist, spokeswomyn for POW.

Ms. Andrist went on to say that the law claims that 'something can neither
be created nor destroyed'. "We understand this premise to be misogynist
hate speech because of how it could apply to abortion rights. If a fetus
can't be created than obviously it can't be destroyed, and that's a problem
for us. We support a woman's right to create and destroy. Conversely, we
support a woman's right not to have to hear male defined definitions of
creation and destruction. We really need to examine the hate speech in
these laws so that they can be written to apply to everyone more equally."

Ms. Andrist also said that female students had trouble with the harsh
language used in the law. "Using words like 'destruction' is really just
verbal rape and sexual harrassment of women. We all know that this is
simply a male term designed to oppress women. We'd like to see the law
re-written to include concepts of equity and fairness. In all truth, the
law should be re-written to say that 'womenhood cannot be made or unmade'.

The conclusion of the report will be given to academic officials, so that
the revised law can be included in sweeping syllabus changes throughout
women's studies departments nationally. "We feel that this new focus will
allow women to learn in an environment that is tailored to their greater
needs", said Ms. Andrist. "There is currently far too much emphasis on
linear male modes of thought, when what we should really be learning is how
to be the women we are".


Best comment on the thread so far...
...is from ZoeB, who said "Remember individuals differ, and should be treated as individuals, not stereotyped members of a particular class." If we could just get that one particular segment of the population to subscribe to this theory, we'd have a lot easier time of things right now.

Forgive me for not reading...
the column, but they are TIDAL waves - not title waves, unless you meant this as a clever play-of-words! Again, forgive me for being too lazy to read your column.

What do some women want?

Ok, we male chauvinists open the door to more women in STEM--kind of an affirmative action where their feminist counselors drag them into it to even the score--and what will these women find?

They will have some nice Indian or Chinese men to work with, for we are graduating fewer and fewer AMERICAN MEN in those fields and import many more from other countries.

Have fun ladies until you whine about the next thing...and hats off to Camilla Outlaw who blogged earlier and who is a women in STEM doing very well--and the kind of woman real men probably like working around.
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