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Thursday, October 26, 2006
Alan Reynolds :: Townhall.com Columnist
Gas tax trial ballon
by Alan Reynolds
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The newspapers are suddenly full of hypothetical plans to sextuple the federal gasoline tax, with well-timed insinuations that this might be a post-election Republican ploy. On Oct. 8, The New York Times ran a story called, "Raise the Gas Tax? Funny, It Doesn't Sound Republican," citing half a dozen Republican economists and a token Democrat. On Oct. 20, The Wall Street Journal ran "Raise the Gas Tax" by former Bush adviser Greg Mankiw.

As taxes go, a tax on motor fuels (including ethanol) is not one of the worst. Mankiw thus argues that, "An increased reliance on gas taxes over income taxes would make the tax code more favorable to growth." Yet he does not propose to reduce reliance on income taxes. And a tax-induced increase in the cost of transportation of goods, workers and shoppers is surely not favorable to economic growth.

Whether or not a dollar increase in the gas tax would be less damaging to the economy than, say, raising the minimum income tax rate from 10 percent back to 15 percent is not obvious.

Mankiw's most telling argument is that "a $1 per gallon hike in gas tax would bring in $100 billion a year in government revenue." By 2016, however, taxes will be up to $4.1 trillion, according to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), so Congress might just misplace an extra $100 billion.

Mankiw hopes to use that loot to pay Social Security and Medicare benefits for his generation. But two flat taxes on payrolls were intended for that purpose, and delinking those taxes from the benefits will not boost public support for those collapsing programs. A big problem with phasing in a gas tax increase over 10 years is that young motorists vote.

New York Times columnist John Tierney had a more viable idea a year ago. He proposed raising gasoline taxes by 50 cents, but only if and when gas prices fell -- "an extra dime of tax per gallon whenever the retail price falls by 20 cents." He also proposed that every dime of extra revenue would be tightly earmarked to go into private savings accounts for every adult citizen (or perhaps children, too) with a Social Security number.

When economists speak favorably about an increased gas tax they are often saying, correctly, that it would be more effective and less damaging than corporate average fuel economy (CAF) standards and the gas-guzzler tax (on cars, not SUVs).

A 2004 Congressional Budget Office paper concluded that if CAF standards were raised by 3.8 miles per gallon, it would take 15 years for gasoline consumption to fall by just 10 percent, and the economic cost would be high. Raising the gas tax by 46 cents would also cut fuel consumption by 10 percent, but do so much more promptly.

Mankiw's other arguments are expressed in high-sounding terms as a case of "Pigovian taxes," named for economist Alfred Pigou. A Pigovian tax assumes politicians and their economists have the knowledge and motivation to discern when people are buying too much of something, because they fail to take account of the "social costs" their purchase imposes on others. Assuming such wisdom exists, the government can supposedly use selective sales taxes as a tool of behavioral modification. Yet the CBO noted that a 2002 National Research Council estimate of the Pigovian "external costs" of consuming gasoline amounted to just 26 cents a gallon -- less than the average federal-state tax of 41 cents.

The real motive behind high taxes on liquor, tobacco and gasoline is more plausibly related to "Ramsey taxes," named for philosopher Frank Ramsey. Pigou might have argued that we should tax wine to discourage excess drinking. Ramsey would argue that we should tax wine precisely because the demand for wine is relatively unresponsive (inelastic) to a higher price. Because a tax on wine, tobacco or gasoline does not have a strong effect on consumption, such taxes are "efficient" in the sense that they yield the most revenue with the least distortion of the way resources are used (unless they result in black markets).

Governments like to claim they raise these "sin taxes" to discourage drinking, smoking and driving -- as though driving to work is a sin. In reality, governments like these taxes because their effect on consumption is weak. And the real reason the federal government has not pushed this tax much higher is that doing so would pre-empt and reduce an important source of state revenue.

Mankiw wants to raise the gas tax twice as much as the CBO estimated, which might cut gasoline consumption 20 percent from where it would otherwise be a decade from now. But that would be only a 5 percent cut from current consumption. That couldn't make a noticeable difference in global warming because U.S. passenger vehicles account for only 20 percent of carbon dioxide emissions. Even a 20 percent cut in 20 percent is only 4 percent, and the United States is only part of the globe.

It would not make a huge difference in domestic oil consumption either, because passenger vehicles account for only 40 percent of U.S. oil demand. A 20 percent cut in 40 percent is only 8 percent. From such a trivial change, Mankiw imagines "the price of oil would fall in world markets." But that undermines his environmental arguments. If the world price of oil fell, then China and India would use more oil and global emissions would not decline.

Claiming to remedy social costs with higher taxes is a game with no clear rules. Using Pigovian logic, I would argue that wine purchases should be tax-free and tax-deductible, because wine is so beneficial to public health and sociability that private demand fails fully to reflect it social value. Nobody could prove me wrong because all such analyses of social benefits and costs are incurably opinionated. Yet I will never be asked to testify on the Pigovian merits of a tax break for wine because federal and state governments crave the money a wine tax brings in.

This, too, is all about the money: If you have some, the government wants it. But they aren't doing such a great job with what they have are they?

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Beware!
Chief Justice Marshall wrote that "The power to tax is the power to destroy", and whenever you get politicians -- from whichever party, and both do it -- using the tax as an engine for social engineering, we're in DEEP DOO-DOO!

If we drilled..
...here in the Western Hemisphere, increasing the world's supply, the price would decrease and the government could tax fuel in direct proportion the price falls. Therefore increasing their coffers and maintaining current prices.

Forget drilling
Energy has become a frequent topic on this website. I gather because it is so important to, well, everything. But so few people seem to have any good understanding of the hard truths that apply to energy.

(1) As Alan Reynolds notes, a gas tax is not favorable to economic growth. But neither is running out of gas altogether, which will happen that much more quickly if this nonrenewable resource is not conserved. If conserved, we may have use of it for that much longer and be able to develop alternatives. Given how long it would take to implement an entirely new energy infrastructure, we need a lot of lead time.

(2) Forget drilling. Is there still untapped oil in the Western Hemisphere? Absolutely. Does it exist in quantities sufficient to offset America's demand for imported oil? Absolutely not. Got that? *It's not there* At the start of the oil age in the 19th century, America had something like 200 billion bbl of oil reserves. We now have around 20 billion bbl left. Current world demand is around 85 million barrels PER DAY. Do the math. Yeah, yeah, I've heard about the oil shale. But the energy returned on the energy invested pales in comparison to oil that just flows out of the ground, or that is easily pumped at room temperature.

(3) Energy is not technology. You can have all the fancy gizmos that a supply-side economy can produce, but you still won't get past the laws of thermodynamics.

Bottom line: We need to start encouraging alternatives to oil and gas NOW, before we are up against the wall. The Arab oil embargo cut imports by something like 4%, and the price of oil doubled or quadrupled. That would mean $200 bbl oil today. This is a critical national security issue that is not changed simply because we are in the calm before the storm. This is not a "liberal", or "communist", or "anti-growth", or whatever position.

Alternative
Monty has the right idea about encouraging alternatives, but the real question is how.
In the free market, according to Say, supply creates demand. Before a company, for example General Motors, builds a car using an alternative energy source, there has to exist a demand for it. But, without a supply, a car that runs on alternative energy, there can be no demand.
Government sponsorship of research has shown to be ineffective, as when the money is free, it is all too often used for frivolous ends.
The one Government sponsored project I know of which was successful was the search in for a quarter ton, all wheel drive military vehicle. The government, as far as I know, did not sponsor the research into the development of the vehicle, but instead offered a contract to the manufacturer that could supply its demands.
Could not the government today do something similar to encourage development of alternative energy?
The best thing, of course, would be for industry to recognize the demand and research independently. But, I think, money is tight after paying taxes and union wages.

I have a better idea...
...for the gas tax.New York and Pennsylvania are two states that separate their sales taxes on products at the checkout line.When you buy groceries, or whatever, your bill shows shows how much your purchases come too and how much your state taxes are.The consumer can see it right up front,and complain accordingly.Why can't taxes on gasoline be broken out by Federal,State,and local taxes?Then we can see what the oil company's are charging us and what the governments are charging.I call it my "truth in prices bill." And wouldn't it be nice to see what percentage of these taxes go to areas OTHER than the building and repair of roads?

Another One Out to Lunch
"But that would be only a 5 percent cut from current consumption. That couldn't make a noticeable difference in global warming because U.S. passenger vehicles"...

because U.S. passenger vehicles do not cause global warming!

One day, the sun will avenge itself on those who doubt its power. I caught on angry look on its face yesterday.

Nuclear Power
The reason it took so long to build a nuclear power plant in the USA was the constant guerrilla warfare conducted by the leftists and environmentalists. Their obstructionist tactics caused huge cost over-runs and delayed the actual construction for years.

If we (the USA) could stifle those jerks long enough to build 40 new nuke plants, it would go a long way toward energy independence.

The leftists continue to obstruct any energy initiative, except the completely ineffective and inefficient wind power, then whine about our reliance on foreign oil.

We aren't at war with only Islamofascists, we've got a real fight here with the socialist Americans who want to destroy capitalism.


politicians quotes
It used to be:
"He never met a tax he didn't like"

Now its:
"He never liked anything he couldn't tax"

THIS COUNTRY HAS HAS MORE
Enough money already, we just someone to keep the idiots in Washington from building bridges to no where, and they need to be stopped from packing their little pet pork projects in house bills and legislation that they pass so they can make themselves look good to their constituents back home. Why don't they actually try to make themselves look good by saving the country money and actually doing something that benefits the country for a change. It felt so good, I'm going to say it again, the idiots in Washington.

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Heads Need To Roll

TYPO.. SORRY
But you get the idea.

To DavidMac
You have hit the nail on the head. Enviros have also stifled wind power too, Teddy's view has to be considered, as well as the birds, etc. If they took half of what they use to file lawsuits and provided funding for university students to work on some of the ideas for alternative fuel we'd be far far ahead. Of course that would not increase their power and their fundraising, which is what they are really all about.
My definition of an enviromentalist: One who would demand the last 10 gallons of gas in the country to go protest the drilling of an oil well on the sage brush flats of Wyoming!

Yeah, let's trust the Govmt with more $$
With current uncontrolled pork-spending the Government actually has the nerve to talk about increasing taxes? I believe it would result in a tax revolt. I pay my taxes even though I believe they are unfairly high now. I believe it is time for Americans to say "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!"
If we band together and cut the funding to the wreckless money spenders, the government will have no choice but to shrink. It is like a ballon, let out some air and it shrinks. Take away the cash flow, and you take away the power to spend. I have friends that dropped out of the IRS 1040 program for 10 years or more but that business is catching up to them now. It would take hundreds of thousands of Citizens working together to stop the madness. Oh well!

Monty
Well, professor, it sure seems you have all the natural truths of the universe figured out, all the 'hard truths that apply to energy' at least. In as much as they sound like the various mantra constantly being bellowed from Greenpeace, the Sierra club, and all the other 'environmental' commie/leftist front groups, this, of course, has nothing to do with your learned advocacy.

How much of this 'we mustn't use' crap must we listen to. Must we go back to the 18th century and use wind power (except when it interferes with Kennedy property values and aesthetic pleasures), must we use corn in our autos (if you'll allow us to have one, except when Streisand, Gore et al need to bop around in their private jets). Hypocrisy ad nauseum...

There's nothing energy production-wise that you enviro-types won't find something to complain about. No matter that the rest of the world's major energy consumers don't pay you the slightest attention.

Your first 'certainty' that oil isn't renewable isn't even a scientific certainty - and more evidence is being accumulated that indicates that oil is produced by geothermic processes - and doesn't originate as 'fossil fuel', itself, a 19th century term.

Blame it on Maslow and his hierarchy of needs which says that certain appeals can only resonate with those who have attained a certain comfort level - and are conditioned to feel guilty for it. Unfortunately, certain segments of this nation's population has achieved a level of affluence, most likely through no industry of their own, such that their main concerns involve stifling industry altogether - and determining that behavior which is acceptable for others.

Let me just say this: pseudo-experts such as you are tiresome. What was that saying - a little knowledge is a dangerous thing?

Increasing tax revenue on gasoline
Somewhere in the old accounting process the American people have forgotten how to hold Politicians Accountable for their run on our paychecks. As gas prices went out the roof and OIL companies filled their bank accounts, little was mentioned about the increase in TAX revenue.
Uncle sugar got more than his share.
Since our air is polluted by autos don't be surprised to see a BREATH TAX added to clean up the environment. It would be easier to just send our pay check to the politicians and let them give everyone an allowance.
It is time for a regime change in America.It is time to dump both rotten parties.

THEN ADD ON PELOSI WINDFALL PROFITS TAX
Increase the Fed tax at the pump and then add on Pelosi's planned windfall profits tax for Big Oil which will be passed on to consumers just like every other corporate tax and its hello European gasoline prices for the American consumer.

These are two hair-brained and wacky schemes that amounts to one monster tax hike for consumers that will cut household incomes, slow household spending, discourage business expansion, stiffle new job creation, stoke the fires of inflation, promote higher interest rates and KO future economic growth. And they are both regressive as well.

We are up to our ears in crude oil, coal, tar sands, natural gas, shale, nuclear power plant cabalilities and refinery capabilities capabilities all over North America. We have totally ignored the development of these obvious solutions for 30 years by putting them out of bounds or making some outright illegal. If the patient refuses to help himself and ignore the problem, then he deserves what he gets. Tax hikes are not the answer for the problems that we have created for ourselves.

Let markets work, what are we waiting for?


Grubby and NRALifer
Wow. I mean...wow. You're going to level all those ad hominem attacks against me (I'm mostly talking about Grubby there), and yet produce absolutely no facts to support what you are saying? (I don't need cites, but at least allege something within the bounds of reality.) Yes, in a sense, oil is likely renewable, if you want to wait 300 million years. If it was at all renewable in any human timescale, then why did the U.S. production peak in 1970 and decline every year since? Why has the Texas oil field not filled back up? Or California? Or the North Slope? Or Cantarell in Mexico? Or the North Sea? Or Iran? I have no doubt that a few oil wells here and there could fill back up - from oil seeping into the well from a surrounding deposit. Groundwater is drawn into wells in the same way. Do you think we'd be drilling through 25 miles of ocean and seabed if our old wells were filling back up in any sufficient quantity?

I don't understand why people have such reactions. This isn't politics. It's scientific fact, based on all the evidence. Could those "facts" be proven incorrect based on new research? Sure, but that's not likely at this point and I'm not as willing as you to bet my child's future on speculation. I'm starting to think there's something to that "reality-based community" insult.

DonaldDD
Two points:

1 Have you invested in big oil? Why not?

2 So can we count on you to support drilling more oil here in the US of A?

We have 1000 years (yes 100 decades) of oil in coal shale alone. Why do we need the Sauds again?

Now I'm ticked...
"We have 1000 years (yes 100 decades) of oil in coal shale alone."

There is no support for this statement. Estimate of shale is that we have the equivalent of about 800 billion bbl of oil. That's a lot, being four times our total conventional reserves at the beginning of the oil age 150 years ago, but it's not 1000 years at our current consumption rate. If it's allowed to be exported, then it's even less.

More importantly, the process used to extract and produce usable "oil" from the shale is very energy and water intensive. We're talking doing things like heating one section of earth while freezing another, and then carving up a ton of earth for every tank or two of gasoline. How much do you think a gallon of gas will cost then? Shale is not the answer based on what we know about it now. The technology works, the economics does not. They've been working on it for 50 years and the math hasn't worked out yet.

But Alan, what is YOUR idea?
You say John Tierney has a better idea - raising the FedGasTax $0.50 when prices fall, using the proceeds to build private savings accounts.

But his and everyone else's idea have one thing in common: They use the tax code to incent/punish certain behavior. Alan, I cannot believe that you, the modern forefather of the flat tax, believe in either Pigovian or Ramsey taxes or sin tax or any other tax that distorts behavior so greatly.

Alan, I await your article on the following flatter tax:

2% of all AGI up to $20,000
15% of all AGI up to $50,000
30% of all AGI thereafter

That simple, flatter tax would put tens of millions BACK ONTO the tax roles, giving them a stake in the U.S.A. (Whoever said we want to take the poor off the tax roles - RWR? - was sorely misguided.) We all should pay something. If some of us really poor people need that money back and then some, then we have the '96 workfare act to be the "safety net."

That simple, flatter tax would create the supply side incentives that you so creatively and accurately articulate.

That simple, flatter tax would create the incentives for accountants to focus to productive work and, and would save companies and individuals several hundred billion dollars in regained time, to say nothing yet of the cash.

That simple, flatter tax would unleash the kind of economic activity that would result in the kind of economic growth we need to fund my "baby boom" generation's profligacy-at-the-expense-of-our-demographically-challenged-children (think Medicare Part D.)

Oh, and that simple, flatter tax would raise about $30 billion less than the current individual income tax. (Whoever said that "static" revenue neutrality was a good thing?)

Keep up the good work, Alan!
Best regards,
TimCranston

Earmarked taxes
Mr Reynolds thinks the NYT columnist had a more viable tax idea. If we haven't learned our lessons at home, how about taking a page from the Brazilian experience? A temporary tax for hospitals that became permanent and the medical needs continued to go unmet. For more info on it, see here:
http://www.randalmatheny.com/blog/world/earmarked_taxes.html

oil
Coal is widely estimated to cost about 35$ per barrel to produce. Thats a bargain, though it will take years to achieve that price.

"and then carving up a ton of earth for every tank or two of gasoline"

Please back up this claim. Most estimate I have read are 4-5 barrels per ton of coal. This sounds like a lot but a ton of coal is only about 3-4 feet on a side cubed.

"One quarter of the world’s coal reserves are found within the United States, and the energy content of the nation’s coal resources exceeds that of all the world’s known recoverable oil."

http://www.energy.gov/energysources/coal.htm

Even if my large estimate of 1000 years is off by 90%, 100 years is a long time.

100 years ago most people were using horse drawn carriages.

I am all for Nuclear power, if it is safe and cost effective comparatively.

DavidM
I don't think it's even necessary to back up my claim, because even taking your number we get 4-5 tanks of gasoline (there's about 22 gallons of gas out of a bbl) of gas per ton of earth. That's a lot of earth, if you're talking about 100 million cars x 1 tank of gas per week. It's absolutely true that we have a lot of coal, but that is not the same as "shale". It's also not the same as oil. It's dirtier, less energy dense, and more difficult to extract and refine. Extracting it all would also make half the nation resemble the moon.

oh, and
keep in mind that you frequently must move more than ton of earth to get a ton of coal, or anything else other than earth

why do we levy taxes?
We collect taxes to fund our government. Taxes should be collected on that basis only. Using taxes as a tool to alter behavior just creates more problems. We already have lobbyists and an insane tax code. Enough. The demonization of oil and oil companies by the greenies and liberal media is despicable. Dragging our feet while debating about how much or how little oil can be recovered from ANWAR is immoral as our troops are killed and terrorists plot. Find it. Pump it. Use it. Whatever amount that reduces our purchases from dictators and terrorists is progress. By doing nothing we allow ourselves to be put at risk and empower those that threaten us while they starve, torture and kill their own.

By the way Monty, you're wrong-and you don't back up your lame argument with figures either. There's a whole lot of oil in our own back yard. And arguing for "alternatives" while ignoring nuclear is bs. Demanding conservation, as an alternative, is unrealistic.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:US_Proven_Oil_Reserves_1900_to_2005.png

Gee, better watch out...
Monty is really ticked!

Hey, take a break, chicken little...

misterright
I think the chart that you linked to supports precisely Monty's argument. He said we have about 20 billion barrels left of domestic reserves. Your chart says about 22 billion.

Conservation is B.S? Using relatively simple conservation methods, we could probably "produce" more extra oil than we could get out of ANWR (which we should eventually tap, by the way, but only as a last resort as a source of petrochemicals that can't be replaced by alt energy sources). Why is that so evil? Where do you get your mindset? Do you just leave all the electrical applicances in your house running at all times and pour used motor oil down the sewer, too?

This appears to be the trend around here. Make policy without relying on facts or science. Good show.

Gas Tax
Energy independence is as important to the war on terror as anything we can do. We are buying energy from our enemies. Our enemies use our money to buy weapons and raise armies to kill us. The government should impose a REVENUE NEUTRAL tax on oil to push The USA to become energy independent. The money collected in energy tax should be rebated against workers social security tax and as a bonus to the social security recipients. The increased cost of oil will unleash the forces of capitalism against this energy monster that makes us beholding to out enemies.

CWA

Huh?
Donaldd, thank you. I finally get why Democrats are so willing to tax income - especially on the rich. It is illegal and cannot be enforced. So, they are really not taxing anything! Taxes can therefore only be assessed on those people who are too ignorant and compliant to resist paying them. I am so glad. I can now "convert" and be a liberal! All it takes is a little civil disobedience...no, wait, there can't be civil disobedience unless there is a law that is being broken, right?

I'm thinking that if millions of us rob the local quickie mart, it won't be illegal to rob a store! You are so incredibly brilliant!

Donaldd: Kudos
I don't really agree with much that you write, but I have noted that over the last couple of weeks you've become much better at presenting your arguments, your posts are very coherent, your arguments are interesting, you're pretty much avoiding hyperbole (well, as much as anyone else here, anyway) everybody else seems to be responding on a higher level, it's all good.

Kudos, sir.

I hereby retire and ban the use of the "Duck" sobriquet. Not that anyone's been using it lately anyway, because you've earned respect.

Good job, man.

GunnyG
I see you've read some of the material on the theories regarding geothermal production of petroleum, and the tantalizing evidence that support these views. The fact is that we know more about our solar system and its planets, than we know about this earth 20 miles down.

As an aside, have you ever wondered why the hopelessly indoctrinated Monty-types are so quick to dismiss such real and present dangers such as al-queda's next possible attack, the growth of world-wide jihad, nuclear blackmail that renegade states like N. Korea and Iran are capable of, the Chicoms who have the nuke arsenals and accurate delivery systems thanks to the Clintons and Putin who's capable of arming any enemy we care to name, and the hordes of alien redneck gorebots about to be unleased - BUT - will squeal like banshees about Global warming, our use and production of oil, the 'rights' of our terrorist enemies, any infringement of abortion (the wonton killing of our own population while insisting we import all the 3rd world poverty possible) and our natural right to maintain and protect our constitutionally guaranteed sovereign state.

If any of the former adversaries are successful, none of the latter contingencies will matter (at least to us).

For this week's topical question: Why do you suppose liberals insist on taking the long view when the short term is so threatened (notwithstanding Gore who says we're dead already - we just don't know it)?
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