Saturday, September 01, 2007
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TX Straw Poll Analysis
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Posted by:
Matt Lewis at
5:46 PM
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 A few thoughts on today's GOP TX Straw Poll ...
1. Texas Congressman Ron Paul, came in 3rd. Most of his supporters, apparently, were not eligible to vote in the TX Straw Poll (only Delegates to the state convention were eligible). Though Paul turned out lots of supporters, it didn't translate to votes, leading me to ask: If Paul can't come in 1st place here -- where can he win (other than the internet)? Frankly, it is entirely possible that Paul's aggressive (and non-traditional) supporters may have actually turned some party regulars (who could vote) against the candidate.
2. This morning (on the video that will be posted later), I predicted Fred Thompson would have a surprisingly strong finish. He did. I think there are two reasons: For one, Thompson's southern appeal fits in well in Texas. The other reason is that his announcement on Friday (that he will announce for president after Labor Day), gave him a little buzz going into the weekend.
3. Duncan Hunter is obviously a big winner here. He deserved to win because he showed up -- and really worked it. He shook hands with hundreds of folks, and signed lots of autographs (mostly on tee-shirts). I can't help but believe many of the votes Hunter got were due to his merely showing up and campaigning hard. The question is: Would these votes have also propelled Mike Huckabee to a victory here? We won't know if this was a huge missed opportunity for Huckabee to keep his momentum going. Hunter took advantage, and for that, I give him kudos ...
4. Special thanks to Chairman Tina Benkiser and her top-notch staff. Also, special thanks to Hugh Hewitt for taking the TH team out to a very nice meal last night. KSKY's Dwayne Horner was huge in putting this together. And lastly, special thanks to Greg Stamps -- our "Townhall Texan" -- for all his help!
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The Texas delegates who at the last minute were the only ones allowed to vote in the Straw Poll were naturally Bush supporting Republicans, Townhaller type people - Evangelicals and other Neocons whose leaders like Richard Pearle think we have a mandate from God to keep the peace in the Middle East, spending a trillion dollars on the Iraqi War and 3500 Christian American lives so far for 'nationbuilding', 'winning hearts and minds', and 'spreading Democracy'. Secondary to the protection of Iraqi bridges and borders for the Townhaller Neocons are the protection of the bridges and borders, power grid and other infrastructure of the United States. Secondary to the Townhaller Neocons is the fact that the economy is collapsing, a house of cards sold to the Chinese. Secondary to the Townhaller Neocons is the fact that Ron Paul has been married for 50 years and lives a Christian life, while their heroes, Fred Thompson and Rudy Giuliani are divorcées. Yet, somehow, miraculously, by the power of God, some are seeing the light and Ron Paul came in the top three, while the other nine weren't even close. |
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Duncan Hunter would make an excellent president. He is my Congressman and has done an excellent job. He is a great conservative and always responds to his constituents. I keep saying if he doesn't win the nomination I will write him in. I know he would have a hard time because of his conservative voting record, but at least he's honest! Vote for Duncan Hunter!!
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Here is how Dr. Paul has performed in all the Republican Straw Polls this summer...
Straw Poll Date Rank Percentage
Texas Straw Poll 9/1/2007 3 16.7%
Allegheny County, Pa. 8/26/2007 1 45.2 %
DeKalb County,Georgia 8/25/2007 1 24 %
HRCC (Minnesota) 8/22/2007 3 16.0%
Reagan Club(Washington)8/21/2007 1 28.0%
West Alabama 8/18/2007 1 81.2%
Strafford County, NH 8/18/2007 1 72.2%
W. Lafayette, Indiana 8/18/2007 4 11.7%
Illinois State Fair 8/17/2007 3 18.9%
Students for Life 8/16/2007 4 9.0%
Western Montana Fair 8/15/2007 6 4.0%
Gaston County, NC 8/14/2007 1 36.6%
Ames, Iowa 8/11/2007 5 9.1%
National Federation of Republican Assemblies (NFRA), St. Louis, MO 8/6/2007 3 14.0%
FreedomWorks Straw Poll 8/3/2007 1 56 %
Georgetown County, SC 7/28/2007 2 17.9%
New Hampshire Taxpayers 7/7/2007 1 65.3%
Cobb County, GA 7/4/2007 2 17.0%
Cal. Republican Assembly 7/1/ 4 12.0%
National Taxpayers Union 6/16/ 2 16.7%
Utah GOP convention 6/8/2007 2 5.4%
Of 15 states and 21 polls, Dr. Paul has 8 first place finishes, 4 second place finishes, 4 third-place finishes (including Texas Straw Poll today), five finishes from fourth to sixth.
Thats a consistent level of support that even Mitt Romney has not achieved. Tancredo, Huckabee, Hunter have all had just one break-through straw poll but then poof, No momentum. How could Tancredo do so well in Iowa and do terribly in Texas today? No momentum. Brownback does 17% in Iowa, less than 1% in Texas.No momentum. Huckabee shines at Ames but gets 8% in Texas, even though he's from a neighboring state? McCain does terribly in every straw poll. Hunter does terribly everywhere but soars to 41% in Texas today. Only Ron Paul has shown consistency, his supporters have intensity, and the Paul campaign has buzz and $$$ momentum for the Republican nomination.
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Matt,
your column some time back that "introduced"
Hunter to TH readers.
I believe that column was a good boost at a critical time.
Hunter's campaign has not "caught fire" as some would demand - but I believe his style of campaigning has long legs, and it is still a long way to go.
Hunter thrives on retail politics - he's learning how to connect in a way that translates to a national campaign, in contrast to a congressional district.
The dark horse continues to thunder to the lead!!!
http://www.GoHunter08.com
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saying the voting was "rigged," which doesn't bode that well for Paul's finish."
It took about 5.3 seconds before the usual pauletts were whining, and not much longer than that for them to start whining on Garthwaite's blog. Whaa Whaa Whaa.
Apparently, even less time on this blog. Whaa Whaa Whaa.
Well, ya win some and... no wait, apparently not if you're ronniepaul.
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I'm a 7th generation Texan. I've been a Republican in Texas since 1972. I was a Republican in this state long before it was cool to be a Republican. I wanted to go to Fort Worth so I could cast my vote for Ron Paul. But to my surprise I find out the vote is limited to past convention delegates. Pathetic. Why limit the vote to Party Hacks. The NeoCons that run Town Hall know Ron Paul would have won if they had let everyone vote. Instead, to be honest, the rig the election so Duncan(Lets Bomb Iran)Hunter wins. I wouldn't expect anything less when a bunch of Yankees run a staw poll in Texas |
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Good candidate, needs to get more exposure. Hats off to the win today.
Matt Lewis,
Paul just got 16% of people who voted for Bush in 2004. Combine that with all people who didn't vote last election cycle, independants, and republicans who aren't delegates and Ron Paul is going to give Fred Thompson a run for his money in March 2008.
Today showed that Ron Paul is the only one bringing new blood to the Republican party. |
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THIS SHOULD BE THE STORY TODAY!
Total votes cast in 11 straw polls since Iowa
1) Ron Paul 24.9% 782
2) Mitt Romney 16.0% 583
3) Fred Thompson 18.9% 483
4) Rudy Giuliani 8.1% 247
5) Sam Brownback 4.4% 169
6) Mike Huckabey 5.3% 131
7) John McCain 3.0% 111
8) Duncan Hunter 14.1% 34
9) Tommy Tancredo 0.5% 16
Other 4.2% 22
Total 2578 votes
11 Polls included:
Texas GOP
Allegheny County (Pittsburgh, PA)
Dekalb County, GA
Ronald Reagan Club (Washington)
Strafford County, NH
West Alabama
West Lafayette, Indiana
Illinois State Fair
Students for Life of America
Western Montana Fair
Gaston County, NC |
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so I'll say it again...
217 votes for Paul when only delegates were allowed to vote is incredible! It shows that there is considerable support for him within the core of the Republican Party. Since Paul has a distinct advantage over the other candidates (regardless of tier) courting the independent and disillusioned conservative vote, this seems to me to be a very good sign for his campaign. I am actually suprised he did so well. More so than I am Romney did so poorly. In fact, because of this result, this is the first time I can honestly say that I think Ron Paul has a shot at the nomination.
RE: Anne
Most (if not all) of the the pro-Paul post's I've been reading here on TownHall seem quite pleased with the result. I don't think I've seen any comments claiming the poll was rigged. Can you point me to one?
As a partially undecided Republican who will vote in the primary, I've been somewhat confused about the content of the anti-Paul comments on TownHall. It seems that the commonality is they make ad hominem generalizations without any substance whatsoever. The confusion is... do any of the TH commenters that dislike Paul have a reason they dislike him... or are the anti-Paul comments actually written by Paul supporters trying to cleverly make Paul-haters look, to be nice, not intelligent?
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Gentlemen and Ladies:
Only a liberal would vote for anyone other than Mr. Paul. He is the only conservative running in the Republican presidential primary. The others want to extend government power, rather than let each of us be empowered. Liberals in sheep's clothing is what this field is. Shameful. |
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I follow everything said about Ron Paul, Anne and I have yet to hear anything being said about the poll being rigged. I guess Garthwaite's blog is one I missed. It HAS been said that it's a shame that ONLY previous convention delegates were allowed to vote and quite frankly, that seems about as "scientific" a poll as the gallup and other phone polls who only call "likely voters" who have voted for the party recently, and have not changed parties within a certain period of time, nor those who haven't voted before. My GOSH, I sure hope the primaries are a bit more fair. I'm a "Paulite" and I'm glad to see I'm aligned with those that have original ideas and want to see a new direction for this country. |
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You MUST be the "Twister Champ" in your neighborhood!
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"Texas straw poll took place today. But this was not your typical straw poll...there were some restrictions on who could vote.
Delegates to the Straw Poll - Must have been a Delegate or Alternate Delegate to at least one of the last 4 Republican State Conventions (2000, 2002, 2004 or 2006) or one of the last 2 Republican National Conventions (2000 or 2004)
The amount of votes shows you how bad the GOP is right now. They expected 10,000 votes, but only got 1,300
Additionally Texas turned out to be the biggest fund raiser for Ron Paul, it was his biggest fund raising event ever. He was able to raise $102,000 from one event. Just shows that the straw poll is really not that indicative of his support." |
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If Ron Paul couldn't win at a convention of people who voted for Bush in 2004? Are you freaking kidding me? He placed 3rd above all these top-tiers, and you still say its a bad showing. What world do you live in? This is far above the 2% annual polls.
Biased much? |
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I never knew Fred was pro gun control. Good info. |
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Anne, try and spin around this .. Why did Town Hall set the rules to only let past GOP delegates vote? That's no way to run a straw poll. In Iowa, they only let Iowans vote which is fair. But limiting the vote to party hacks is so bogus I can't help but think Town Hall set this up because the NeoCons that run this place really fear Ron Paul |
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"If Paul can't come in 1st place here -- where can he win?"
Paul lacks the "virtue" that is primary among the well-established Republican officialdom: loyalty to the party leader. So, it isn't surprising that he did not do better among historic GOP convention delegates.
Probably, the only place he can win is among sincere voters who are willing to put principle over party. It's called an "election."
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The poll results for Texas that I read said Hunter got 534 votes, not 34 and that would put him in 3rd place without any votes from any other poll, if the rest of your numbers are right. I think you should recalculate your numbers and re-post to at least have your facts correct. I don't care where any particular candidate ends up, only that there are no glaring errors in the numbers. |
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rules to only let past GOP delegates vote?"
1. I don't work for or with TH.
2. I don't know that TH set the rules, and even IF they did....
3. I don't know why the rules were as they were.
How's that for NO-spin????
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Isn't the official conservative media (Fox, Limbaugh, Hannity, et al.) always saying that the MSM is liberal and/or Leftist? That they are anti-war McGovernite peaceniks. That they hate the military. If this is the case, why are they blacking out the only anti-war, non-interventionist candidate in the race, Ron Paul. The answer is that the media is pro-war and pro-big-government. The media only opposes the wars later on when they might cause people to question the legitimacy of big-government. |
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Matt Lewis wrote;
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Texas Congressman Ron Paul, came in 3rd. Most of his supporters, apparently, were not eligible to vote in the TX Straw Poll (only Delegates to the state convention were eligible). Though Paul turned out lots of supporters, it didn't translate to votes, leading me to ask: If Paul can't come in 1st place here -- where can he win (other than the internet)? Frankly, it is entirely possible that Paul's aggressive (and non-traditional) supporters may have actually turned some party regulars (who could vote) against the candidate.
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Matt Lewis,
Brother, you sure have a habit of overdosing on parentheses.
For instance, if in an approximately 80 word paragraph, you have to resort to using parentheses four different times in order to clarify your 'streams of consciousness,' that might suggest you're not writing clearly.
(you know what I mean ?)
Ha, ha, ha.
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Okay he didn't get the 75%+ his supporters predicted but you gotta hand it to him, this is the most exciting way he has yet devised to end up at his usual 0.44% in the general election (does anyone doubt he will be the Libertarian candidate again in 2009?). What a farce. |
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The jealousy of the neocons is pervasive today...LOL.
Ron Paul can beat Hillary in 2008!
(when EVERYONE's vote counts) |
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The primary. There were more Paul supporters than anyone else. Had this been the primary, you would be polling Hillary vs Paul.
Ron Paul raised more money on Friday than Duncan Hunter raises in a month (over $110k)
See you at New Hampshire :)
FYI: Texas GOP hates Ron Paul and actively runs candidates against him for his congressional seat. In fact, Ms. Sekula had a booth at the straw poll as well. She is a republican, backed by the machine, running against Paul. She will lose, as all do who challenge his seat.
To say that he would have any kind of advantage in Texas is completely naive. |
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Who ever said 75%? I am working in the Paul grass roots and never heard anything of the sort.
http://www.star-telegram.com/metro_news/story/220660.html
"While we may not win the actual straw poll vote, we want to outnumber any of the other candidates' support to show that he has a strong chance in the actual primary, where all of the people in attendance will be able to vote" |
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This is the no-spin answer from a Ron Paul supporter:
1. They really wanted to make sure it was not flooded by non-republicans. Texas is an open primary state. You do not register as a republican or a democrat. Anyone can vote in any primary. They would be open for a democrat raid and not get a true measure.
At least this way the vote was "pure" (although maybe too pure).
2. The convention center's facilities would not have handled much more for speeches (at least in the room they chose). Had it been wide open, there would have been thousands upon thousands of people instead the few that attended. There would have been logistic problems. |
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I've lived in Ron Paul's District. I've corresponded with him by email on several occasions. I respect his views, and appreciate his Libertarian roots. I do believe, however, he is profoundly wrong about Iraq - and his position is a threat to the stability of this nation and the world as a whole.
Having just spent 2 days at the straw poll, I'm trying very hard to seperate the fine American "Ron Paul" that I believe I know, from the bunch of pitiful losers that polluted the event. Even on this column, the losers whine about "Delegate Only" voting. Hell, it's been published for months, was clearly delineated on the registration, and widely discussed by Mike Gallagher on syndicated radio. Now somehow it's news?
Truth is, much of Pauls newly found support cares not about his strict Constitutionalism, limited Government, pro gun rights, positions - but from a pack of idiotic conspiracy nuts who love to hear him call for immediate withdrawl from Iraq.
So here's some more news Paul Bots, whine all you want, claim all the victories you want, fill these pages with all the inane nonesense about winning that you want. Your guy is a single digit non contestant in the 2008 Presidential Race. Enjoy the limelight of a 3rd place straw poll finish in your home state for as long as you can - your campaign has just peaked. |
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I don't live in Paul's district, in fact I don't even live in Texas. I've never corresponded with him.
As a Conservative Republican however, agree with your post 100%
But, you connected the last two dots! "Truth is, much of Pauls newly found support cares not about his strict Constitutionalism, limited Government, pro gun rights, positions - but from a pack of idiotic conspiracy nuts who love to hear him call for immediate withdrawl from Iraq."
Thank you. Now all the dots are connected.
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knight of night never makes any sense. We just ignore him.
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You really oughta try out for "Last Comic Standing."
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THIS will convince the Democrat partys' Ron Paul brigade, you know the Democrats POSING as RonniePaul supporters here on TownHall, and other places, to convince the American people to support the weakest possible Republican, Ron Paul, for the partys nomination, so as to make it easier for the Hildabeast to steal the election next year, that Ron Paul CAN NOT WIN either the nomination or the general election.
But so far, for the most part all I'm seeing is the usual Democrat style whining about "unfair rules" "Voter nullification" "anti RP discrimination" among other EXCUSES as to why Ronnie boy didn't win the Tezas Straw Poll.
But remember this you RonnieFans. The maximum effective range of an excuse is ZERO centimeters. |
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"Okay he didn't get the 75%+ his supporters predicted but you gotta hand it to him, this is the most exciting way he has yet devised to end up at his usual 0.44% in the general election (does anyone doubt he will be the Libertarian candidate again in 2009?). What a farce."
Congressman Paul has been a Republican Congressman for TWENTY YEARS. He ran on the Libertarian ticket for President, once, twenty years ago.
Yes, there is a farce alright and it is your comment.
By the way, Phil, the overflowing bus from Houston arrived 2 minutes after 10:00 and the delegates were not allowed to vote. If they had, 2nd and 3rd places would likely be flipped. I just wanted to give you something good to dream about. ;-)
Oh, and one final thing. Congressman Paul brought in more money in donations from one night in this visit to Texas, than the Texas GOP brought in from the entire Straw Poll. It does seem that Texans do indeed like Dr. Paul. :) |
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Lynne said...
"As a Conservative Republican however,...."
What???????????
Which of these do you agree with?
Traditional conservative principles:
- limited constitutional government
- personal privacy
- personal responsibility
- strong national defense
- fiscally responsible government
- individual liberty
I'm really curious.
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Paul First, Hunter 4th overall in 11 straw polls since Iowa
Rank Candidate.........%........ Votes
1…Ron Paul……………24.9%……….999
2…Fred Thompson….18.9%……….759
3…Mitt Romney……….16.0%……….644
4…Duncan Hunter……….14.1%……….568
5…Rudy Giuliani……….8.1%……….325
6…Mike Huckabey……….5.3%……….214
7…Sam Brownback……….4.4%……….175
8…John McCain……….3.0%……….119
9…Tommy Tancredo……….0.5%……….22
…..Other…………………………4.2%……..167
….Total…….100%……3992
Last 11 Straw Polls included:
Texas GOP 1-Sep-07
Allegheny County (Pittsburgh, PA)
Dekalb County, GA
Ronald Reagan Club (Washington)
Strafford County, NH_West Alabama
West Lafayette, Indiana_Illinois State Fair
Students for Life of America_Western Montana Fair
Gaston County, NC
Source:
http://ok4ronpaul.ashlux.com/wiki/index.php?title=2008_Presidential_GOP_straw_poll_results
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I am a traditional conservative of the Barry Goldwater type. I have read Dr. Paul's speeches/articles for over 25 years and have watched his voting record. I can't speak for everyone, but I support him for just those reasons you mentioned. His strict constructionism, his A+ rating from Gun Owners' of America, the awarding of the designation of 'Best Taxpayers' Friend Ever' by the National Taxpayers Union; his belief in sound money; his desire to get us out of the United Nations; his pro-life stance; his votes against runaway government spending; belief in states' rights and his strong position on protecting individual liberty.
I also agree with him about Iraq. Not because I think we shouldn't go after those who attacked us. I do. In fact, that is why I think we should leave Iraq. Iraq did not attack us. Our attackers are in Pakistan. We attacked Iraq to carry out a plan for regime change that was passed under no other than Bill Clinton. It is called the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998. Go look it up. We can't keep doing this nation-building thing, crescen. Our country is 9 Trillion dollars in debt and we are borrowing over 2.5 billion dollars a day, much of which is from Red China. Our dollar is on the verge of collapsing. We need to focus on getting the bad guys and defending our own country.
You made a couple of comments about Dr. Paul's supporters, crescen. There are all types from across the political spectrum. We disagree on a lot of things, but we join together in support of this man because of his strong support of the Constitution and individual liberty. I've only seen this kind of thing happen once before in my lifetime and it was during the Reagan Revolution. What you are seeing with Ron Paul's campaign is a continuation of that. |
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According to all the polls I see, your candidate is still tied with me in the polls and I may even be ahead. Do any of you Paulettes understand why no one takes your candidate seriously? It's hard to focus on the candidate when he surrounds himself with manic nuts who cheer wildly at his every boring move. There is nothing exciting about Ron Paul yet to you guys he is a GOD. We aren't mocking Ron Paul so much, we are mocking YOU. Do you swoon at Rosie O'Donnell's beauty too? Now do you get it? |
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According to all the polls I see, your candidate is still tied with me in the polls and I may even be ahead. Do any of you Paulettes understand why no one takes your candidate seriously? It's hard to focus on the candidate when he surrounds himself with manic nuts who cheer wildly at his every boring move. There is nothing exciting about Ron Paul yet to you guys he is a GOD. We aren't mocking Ron Paul so much, we are mocking YOU. Do you swoon at Rosie O'Donnell's beauty too? Now do you get it? |
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According to all the polls I see, your candidate is still tied with me in the polls and I may even be ahead. Do any of you Paulettes understand why no one takes your candidate seriously? It's hard to focus on the candidate when he surrounds himself with manic nuts who cheer wildly at his every boring move. There is nothing exciting about Ron Paul yet to you guys he is a GOD. We aren't mocking Ron Paul so much, we are mocking YOU. Do you swoon at Rosie O'Donnell's beauty too? Now do you get it? |
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"Mitt $$-raiser is indicted in complex $32M fraud scheme - Local ...Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign was indicted for a scheme to defraud companies out of $32 million that he allegedly spent on real estate, ...
news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=1016570"
" Romney Staff Involved In 2 Investigations, Allegations Include ...A report also says a Romney campaign aide is also under investigation by police in Massachusetts for allegedly impersonating a state trooper.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/06/22/politics/main2966632.shtml"
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As a Goldwater-Republican, Rosie does not exactly fit with my politics. Sorry.
But Phil, as a neoconservative, you might be interested. You both believe in BIG government force to ram your agendas down the throats of the American people.
As far as the polls are concerned, Paul has been doing pretty well in the various Straw polls and has won several. You're right though, he isn't polling high in the Rasmussen-type polls. Some of those of course, they do not even offer Ron Paul as one of the choices. Regardless, he needs to come up quite a bit. I agree. Surely, you must know that at this point most people are voting for someone of which they've heard. It's all name recognition at this stage.
It does make a bit more difficult when he does not get a bunch of free media coverage, you know? Between Giuliani and Thompson being the darlings of FOX news and awarded hours of free media coverage to the so-called 2nd tier being given a fraction of the time to speak in the debates than the so-called front-runners. In the last debate, Dr. Paul was given like 4 minutes compared to 11 minutes for Romney.
I wonder if this what our democratic government has become? Where the MSM chooses our president for us, by their coverage or lack thereof. |
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Anyone else think the silence round these parts on the Larry Craig story is... creepy? |
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I'm pretty sure that all of you realize that TH has been rather slow showing some posts lately after we have clicked on the "Post Your Comments" button. So what do we do? We push it again and again and again.
HERE'S A THOUGHT for you. After you push the POST button and the column/blog reappears, if your post does not show up, try refreshing the screen a few times to see if it eventually does show up, which it does evertyime I try it.
IF, after refreshing a couple times your post STILL DOESN'T SHOW UP, THEN repost it, but only push the post button once each try. That will avoid the duplivate posts that are getting to be quite annoying. |
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And/but/so writes:
Larry Craig
"Anyone else think the silence round these parts on the Larry Craig story is... creepy?"
NO, I don't. I think it's appropriate. WE don't want to be like the Democrats and the MSM and make a mountain out of a molehill.
Personally I think Craig is guilty of what he's accused of, and his protestations are only further digging him into a hole.
But why keep talking about it? It won't change anything and it serves NO USEFUL PURPOSE.
The man is resigning from the Senate at a time when we can least afford to lose members on our side. But at least we're not being hypocritical like the Dems and insisting that he stay, or re-electing him and giving him a seat of power. |
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straw poll. None at all.
I just wish our darn bus from Houston hadn't arrived 2 minutes past the cutoff time, so all those delegates would have been able to vote. It was our fault though. The Straw Poll was completely fair.
From what I heard, it was a fun time.
Onward and upward. |
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I'm not a Dem. The only Dem for President that I voted for was Jimmy Carter when I was 18 and my dad persuaded me in 1976. Dr. Ron Paul is a true conservative. He was supporting Ronald Reagan before any of the others. True conservatives are noninterventionists. That means no foreign adventurism or nation building. It means defending the country not policing the world. While we've been policing the world, our country has gone undefended. The borders are porous. Thousands of sleeper terrorists have blended in with the populace. We have foreign gangs raising crime in our cities. Ten million illegals are bringing down our medical care and schools and draining our water, energy, and other resources. Our country is owned by the Chinese. A real conservative like Ron Paul would never have let any of this happen. But a Neocon would. |
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Making an appearance gains you the victory?
Sounds like a Star Trek convention. |
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Why is that Ron Paul fanatics sound like koolaid drinkers?
What next, selling flowers at the airport? |
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To Ron Pauls' third place finish today.
Liberty writes:
"I have no problem with the Delegate-only
straw poll. None at all."
Very intelligent and reasonable. Unlike a lot of the others I've seen here and other places.
Well done, Liberty.
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knight-of_baawa writes:
"Why is it that neo-cons hate Ron Paul?
Is it because he doesn't support their blood-lust to kill as many Iraqis and Iranians as possible?"
It's NOT just "Neo-Cons" that don't trust(we don't hate him) Ron Paul. But our mistrust is mainly because MORONS like you support him.
But that's second to the fact that the man has made a lot of really ignorant and irresponsible statements over the years.
Many of which give the impression that like the Democrats, if HE were to get into a position of REAL power, like the White House, Paul would immediately, or almost immediately at any rate, hoist the white flag over the place and unleash true hell in the middle east.
And eventually inside the U.S., as well. |
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Thank you for your correction. It's takes a good person to admit an error and make the appropriate correction. |
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To all Ron Paul supporters who live in Texas and are complaining about the "delegates only" policy at the Texas Straw Poll:
1. After you vote in the primary next year, attend the precinct convention that will begin in your polling place as soon as the polls close.
2. Convince the other attendees at your precinct convention to elect you to your senatorial district or county convention as a delegate.
3. At the district or county convention, get elected to be delegate to the state convention.
The Republican Party of Texas is very much a grass roots, bottom-up, organization. The people who get elected to represent their county or state senatorial district as delegates to the state convention are not "party hacks." They are your neighbors who take the time to find out how the process works and to get involved in it.
By the way, as a bona fide delegate to the straw poll, I did not appreciate the high-pressure tactics and condescending attitudes of the workers the Ron Paul campaign sent to the straw poll to "work" the delegates.
Kudos to Duncan Hunter whose fortrightness and gentlemanly demeanor earned my vote.
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We would have to see a packet to know for sure. But, someone who was there said that although the front page just gave the date (today) and the time (10:00), there was a statement elsewhere in the packet that 10:00 was the cutoff. It was misleading, but the information was in there.
The bus from Houston was scheduled to be there at 8:30. I have no idea why it arrived so late. It is unfortunate that these delegates traveled for over 5 hours to get there and were not allowed to vote. But, those are the breaks. They should have gotten there on time.
I have yet to see anything that indicates that the Straw Poll was unfair.
Move on to something more productive.
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After Iowa, Illinois, Alabama, and now Texas:
A: Only three guys have won a Straw Poll, namely Mitt Romney, Ron Paul, and, as of this evening, Duncan Hunter.
B: Only two guys have been the top five in all four Straw Polls, namely Mitt Romney and Ron Paul.
C: Only Mitt Romney (3), Ron Paul (3), Fred Thompson (2), Duncan Hunter (2), Brownback (1), and Huckabee (1) have been in the top three in at least ONE of those four straw polls.
6. THIS IS NOT supposed to be a really tough IQ test, but NEITHER GIULIANI NOR MCCAIN APPEAR ON THE A, B, OR C LISTS!!!! Indeed, if anything, perhaps we need to get Rudy and McCain off the stage to "stop cluttering things up with pygmies" or whatever pompous, self-important idiots like Newt Gingrich or the Washington Post would say.
Moreover, in addition to the two names just mentioned that are NOT on those three lists, which two names are the only ones on all three lists? RON PAUL and MITT ROMNEY. Thus, the "fake" world of the internet and texting polls where it's always been Ron vs. Mitt is more 'real' than the land line polling of Gallup which gives us war widows for McCain on pensions eating cat food waiting next to their phones which don't have caller id, and Unemployed Losers for Giuliani - and a few assorted Desperate Housewives for Romney. |
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"By the way, as a bona fide delegate to the straw poll, I did not appreciate the high-pressure tactics and condescending attitudes of the workers the Ron Paul campaign sent to the straw poll to "work" the delegates."
Darby, if someone did that to you, I apologize. They shouldn't have. You should know though, that the campaign did not *send* any of the supporters. Those were the only "workers" there. People came of their own free will and at their own initiative.
Just as you described the Texas GOP, the Ron Paul campaign is very much a bottom up grassroots organization.
"Kudos to Duncan Hunter whose fortrightness and gentlemanly demeanor earned my vote."
So, is Ron Paul a gentleman.
Don't blame him for what a few of his supporters did. The grassroots is not being directed in any way by the campaign. Sometimes I wish they were, but campaign rules do not allow that. |
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I have been told it WAS in the mailer. Just not on the front page. |
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If you pay for a theater ticket in advance, yet arrive after it starts, you are not allowed to enter.
The bus was late. Unless we find out that what I have been told is false and there was no mention of the fact that 10:00 was the cutoff date in the packet, then everything was fair and square. No, I don't like it, but it was still fair and square. |
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What do you suggest we do? Lay down on the ground and kick our feet and pound our fists on the ground?
IF the cutoff was mentioned in the packet, it was fair. Do you realize you are making all this fuss over what I heard were less than 20 votes? The rankings still would not have changed.
Do you want to spend time complaining about this, or work on getting his message out to all those people who have yet to hear it? We know the MSM isn't going to help us. WE are going to have to do it.
Do what you want, but I'm putting my effort into something that will further the campaign.
Duncan Hunter beat us on this day. He is a good man, overall and I congratulate him on his win. If we do our jobs correctly, we will win the one that really counts.
Note: Keep in mind that only about 1,000 of the 17,000 total Texas delegates cared enough about the GOP to show up for this straw poll. |
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I said theatre, not movie. |
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Show me that the cutoff time of 10:00 was NOT in the packet and then we can talk. Otherwise..... |
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"But that's second to the fact that the man has made a lot of really ignorant and irresponsible statements over the years."
Oh really? What exactly are those Charlie?
"Many of which give the impression that like the Democrats, if HE were to get into a position of REAL power, like the White House, Paul would immediately, or almost immediately at any rate, hoist the white flag over the place and unleash true hell in the middle east."
Do you love war, Charlie? Is that it? Myself, I want to go after those who attacked us. They are in Pakistan, by the way. Not Iraq.
"And eventually inside the U.S., as well."
Let's see. The current administration, like their statist brethren on the other side of the aisle, refuse to secure our ports/borders and will not enforce our immigration laws. So basically, anyone who wanted to, and I'm sure some bad guys too, have been allowed to walk right on in our country.
Dr. Paul wants to physically secure our ports and borders. He also thinks our Border Patrol should be beefed up and actually left on OUR border to protect it, rather than be sent to Iraq.
So, on one hand we have Bush and the open borders front-runners and we have Dr. Paul on the other, who wants our borders physically secured. hhhmmmm..... Such a tough decision there. |
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No Jack. I think we need to get clear documentation of wrongdoing. From what I have heard thus far, I do not think we have that for the Texas Straw Poll.
Until that time, it is my belief that we have to work very hard to get Dr. Paul's message spread out in our communities, putting literature in people's hands. We know his message is sound and when people hear it, so very many get hooked. We can't wait for the MSM to do a grand turnaround. It's not going to happen. There are over 40,000 of us in Meetup Groups around the country and the number is growing every single day. No other campaign has that. Not even close. If we get busy and approach this strategically, we won't need the MSM.
Dr. Paul is the true conservative in the race. His record is impeccable. You and I know that he is the ONLY Republican who can beat Hitlery/Obama. He is the only candidate, who like Ronald Reagan, unites people from across the political spectrum.
If the Republicans want to win the election, they have only one choice and that choice is Ron Paul. |
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Go drinks some wine and get some sleep. This is serving no purpose. |
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Congrats to Duncan Hunter - a good man who worked hard for his win today. I saw Duncan at the Iowa Straw Poll where his aggressive pro-war speech did not resonate well with Iowa voters. He toned it down and stayed with the emotional appeal which worked much better for him today.
I was somewhat curious with the line-up of non-candidate speakers that immediately proceeded today's vote however. It certainly worked to Duncan's advantage but maybe that was just chance. We had a guy from Townhall and a retired military hero who narrowly escaped death when the Pentagon was hit on 9-11. Both of these gentlemen were excellent speakers who very effectively drove home the message (in their view) that we must exert our will in the Middle East. It was suggested that action in Iran must be taken immediately and that the next President must be willing to make pre-emtive strikes to guarantee our safety and instill fear in the enemy. The logic is that if they fear what we will do, they will be too afraid to attack us after we have demonstrated our resolve.
I'm not a typical Ron Paul supporter (if there is one) since I don't necessary have a problem with this logic. My major issue is can we make it work? Where is this enemy and who are they exactly? What is it that we do to whom to bring them to their knees? I'm not so much worried of Iran as the free flow of people and cargo coming through the Mexican border. We have to be smarter and more ruthless than our enemy. My guy is smarter and I think he is a lot tougher than generally meets the eye. We learned that War 101 didn't work in Viet Nam. This is War 404 and an essay exam to boot. Tough is good but smarter will win the day - followed by a hammer. Let's start with smart and all do a little research on what our candidates stand for. I can't speak for Duncan but you might do a search on Ron Paul Library.
Jack Wagner
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PS - Prim and proper is not all RP supporters. Energy and passion is. Fact is, the Republican Party is changing for the better without even knowing - going backward and forward at the same time. Yes - all a bit strange and confusing but all good. Some call it the Ron Paul Revolution but he will be the first to tell you it really has nothing to do with him personally. It's just a bunch of crazy ideas that some guys came up with way back when. I think it was 1776 and these guys thought it would be a good idea for people to be free and focus on their God-given rights, responsibilities and talents. And somewhere in all that old paper was the part about not getting involved in entangling alliances and only going to war with a declaration from congress. Talk about old fashioned - we haven't done that in over 50 years. And come to think of it - when was the last time we won a war? I guess we're just smarter than those old guys with weird wigs. Who would ever think that individuals would be capable of protecting themselves? |
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Just thought of this one before bed - we had several black speakers at the Texas Straw Poll who were truly the cream of the crop - very talented, funny and just great to watch. We had a video about how the Democrats actually were behind the KKK and a clip from an Hispanic family that had been Republican for nearly a century. As I gazed across several thousand people in attendance, however, not a black face was in sight.
I'm not big into the race thing but obviously our party is trying to make inroads and get more support from minorities. It's also obvious we are doing the token thing while at the same time our tokens are exhibiting more talent and entertainment value than many of our candidates. Go figure. |
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Without even being there, he's second place.
VETERANS are signing up for Fred online:
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This straw poll is as bogus as they come. Townhall and the Texas GOP should be ashamed of themselves for keeping good active Republicans such as myself out of the vote. (I wonder what Mike Gallagher has to say about that.)
On the other hand, I'm glad that Romney (aka "Bush 44") got his butt handed to him. Maybe this will send the message to the GOP that they aren't going to push this liberal governor with a haircut down our throat.
Good job Duncan Hunter. I'll take a closer look at your campaign.
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Video speaks for itself...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDnWT4gCJSE
On another note:
Fred Thompson’s Anti-Gun Senate Record
1. Anti-gun terror bill (S. 735 )
2. Anti-gun terror bill — final passage
3. Taggants in gunpowder
4. Lautenberg Domestic Confiscation gun ban
5. Free Speech restrictions
6. Smith “Anti-Brady” Amendment
7. Anti-gun Clinton judge appointment
8. Anti-gun Surgeon General
9. Ending the filibuster of a major anti-gun crime bill
10. Young adult gun ban
11. Adopting the “Gun Control Lite” strategy
12. McCain’s Incumbent Protection (2000 version)
13. Incumbent Protection (2002 failed filibuster)
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DONT WORRY RON PAUL REVOLUTION THIS POLE IS PROOF THEIR RUNNING SCARED HE IN FLORIDA THEY CANT KEEP THE RON PAUL SUPPORTERS FROM THE OTHER CANADATES SPEAKS WE ARE EVERY WERE THIS IS RON PAUL COUNTRY AND NO ONE STEPS ON IT WITH OUT A SIGN STUCK IN THEIR FACE RUDY WILL LEAVE LIKE MITT WITH THEIR TAILS BETWEEN THEIR LEGS AMERICA HAS MADE HER CHOICE GUYS AND GIRLS HIS NAME IS RON PAUL AND HE,S CARRYING THE CONSTITUTION IN HIS HAND THE REPUBLIC FOR WITCH IT STANDS WILL TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK FAKE VOTING MACHINES OR NOT KEEP ON FIGHTING AND THIS FAKE WEB SITE WILL GET THE MESSAGE |
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7:30AM post was a joke. NOT a good joke, nor a funny joke, but meant as a joke never the less.
One long incoherent sentence with spelling errors throughout.
Certainly does NOT speak well for ronniepaul or his pauletts.
But then.........
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Ron Paul is NOT a lawyer !!
With Newt as a running mate and to provide washing experience, He could be my choice, but the election is still 14 Mo.s away for pete's sake.
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Is it really necessary for you to be so rude? |
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" Ron Paul is NOT a lawyer !!"
Are all the candidates lawyers, except Ron Paul? |
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Good question, but I'm not sure how pertinent it is.
I've said all along, with the exception of foreign policy, ronniepaul is very good on the domestic issues...
But, if the WOT isn't taken seriously it ultimately won't matter if a Conservative or liberal is in the WH. Sooner or later, al qaeda/radical Islamics will make good on their promise... "Death to America!"
That is why crescen7's comment above, made so much sense.
“Truth is, much of Pauls newly found support cares not about his strict Constitutionalism, limited Government, pro gun rights, positions - but from a pack of idiotic conspiracy nuts who love to hear him call for immediate withdrawl from Iraq.”
crescen7 connected the last few dots.
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I think if Mike Huckabee would have at least shown up and spoken to folks he may have at least placed second ahead of Fred Thompson, and split many of Duncan Hunters votes.
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I was surprised about the straw poll rules and that is why I stayed home and did not go to Ft. Worth.
They could have gotten more turn-out if the straw poll would have been open to registered Texas Republican's and had a family friendly type atmosphere where you could bring the kids along.
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I love the way the hack writing this 1/2 page screed has the audacity to call this article "analysis" when in reality the only focus was on trying to discredit the only true Conservative in the race.
I will say it's somewhat disingenuous of some of the Paul voters to deny the rigging claim though. It's pretty obvious this thing was rigged since they only let the establishment hacks vote. Why can't lame duck Bush and his open border lunatics who are taking our country down the toilet just go away and let adults like Paul and Buchanan run the show?
It's pretty offensive when both establishment parties only trust Johnny come lately neo-cons on the one side and limousine liberals from Beverly Hills on the other. Why don't all the states just run one single AIPAC poll to decide both of the establishment's candidates and why don't the rest of us just vote for a Paul-Nader fusion ticket to oust the current set of corruptocrats on both sides of the aisle. |
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please tell me what the "..........." at the end of your post were? ellipses are "..." only ... so your conclusion was one long run on that was ungrammatical to boot ... |
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"WOT"
I would agree that the WOT is something real and maybe would take it seriously, if it were not a fact that our borders are wide open, that our ports are controlled by foreigners and the fed is going to allow mexican trucks all around the country.
It leaves me in doubt that the WOT is anything but disingenuous and there is an agenda behind it.
What is the agenda?
I have no idea, but logic dictates that it has to do with money and power and not for the safety of US Citizens. |
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Dr. Paul takes it seriously, Anne. Our attackers are in PAKISTAN, NOT IRAQ. We took our eyes off the prize and let bin Laden escape from Afghanistan into Pakistan and there he sits with his merry henchmen and have completely rebuilt. Where did we go? We went to a country who DID NOT attack us and whose leader, as distasteful as he was, was a sworn enemy of Al Qaeda and who also served as a stop against Iran. Does something strike you as odd about this?
Congressman Paul supported going into Afghanistan to pursue our attackers. He also warned against taking our focus off of capturing them and starting a war with a country who had nothing to do with 9-11. He also introduced legislation that in essence would put a bounty on his head, to add another weapon to our arsenal.
"The Constitution gives Congress the power to issue letters of marque and reprisal when a precise declaration of war is impossible due to the vagueness of the enemy. Paul's bill would allow Congress to authorize the President to specifically target Bin Laden and his associates using non-government armed forces. Since it is nearly impossible for U.S. intelligence teams to get close to Bin Laden, the marque and reprisal approach creates an incentive for people in Afghanistan or elsewhere to turn him over to the U.S.
"The President promised the American people that the federal government would use every available resource to defeat the global terror network," Paul stated. "Congress should immediately issue letters of marque and reprisal to add another weapon to the U.S. arsenal. The war on terrorism is very different from past wars, because the enemy is a group of individuals who do not represent any nation. Western intelligence in the Middle East is exceedingly limited, so we should avail ourselves of the assistance of those with better information to track, capture, or kill Bin Laden." |
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"The Act allows Congress to narrowly target terrorist enemies, lessening the likelihood of a full-scale war with any Middle Eastern nations. The Act also threatens terrorist cells worldwide by making it more difficult for our enemies to simply slip back into civilian populations or hide in remote locations.
"Once letters of marque and reprisal are issued, every terrorist is essentially a marked man," Paul concluded. "Congress should issue such letters and give the President another weapon to supplement our military strikes." -- PR 2001
Speech, 9/25/01 http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2001/cr092501.htm
Now, since bin Laden has escaped to Pakistan, Dr. Paul has reintroduced the legislation.
http://ronpaul2008.typepad.com/ron_paul_2008/2007/07/wise-not-wacky.html |
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First of all, if you've ever read my blog, you would know I am not a neo-con. I am an unaffiliated independent conservative. I refer to the new one-party system as the Unified Establishment Party. Second, the point I keep making about Ron Paul is that his followers are bigger news than the candidate. It doesn't matter what he says or believes. His followers are nutty zealots who have become the problem. Have you ever had a discussion with a Lyndon LaRouche zombie? You've become a circus sideshow. You keep coming up with bizarre statistics and when the straw polls are unfavorable, it's because you were cheated. One of the earlier comments claimed a 14-15% margin of error in the national polls to argue that Ron Paul is actually leading. I've made the same satirical arguments to insinuate that the real leader is ME!!! I'm polling exactly the same as Ron Paul, less than the 3-5% margin of error. The entire Ron Paul phenomena is as much a farce as my own campaign to be the first president to gain office by insinuation. |
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with or satisfied about the borders. That's pretty much a given.
But using that as an excuse for prematurely pulling out of the ME is a red herring and ridiculous.
You and ronniepaul and the pauletts might not think that those of us who support other candidates... any of them... are smart, but trust me, we are. We are very smart, and probably more intelligent and well informed.
Cheers! :-)
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HUNTER FOR AMERICA
Texans understand that our Republic is on the line, the actions of the next president will decide if we remain a sovereign nation. They have been on the front line of the illegal alien inundation and know we must build a fence and enforce our laws. Duncan Hunter is the man to do just that.
Conservatives can nominate a conservative. All it takes is not acting like sheep and getting herded into nominating a northeast liberal. 49% will never vote for Hillary, only 60% voted last time. Turnout was the difference. Give Americans a chance to vote for someone who WILL secure the border and watch turnout soar. Americans want their government to fulfill its most basic responsibility.
The primary responsibility of the U.S. government is to protect the territorial integrity and people of this country. They have completely abdicated this responsibility. Both parties have been complicit in this. We are being told it is not possible to control our borders, enforce our laws, and thereby control our destiny as a nation. Hogwash. We are being sold out by corporations intent on importing workers for jobs that can't be exported with the taxpayers paying the true costs, financial and human. If we act like sheep and don't stop the inundation across our borders, we will lose our country without a bleat.
http://www.gohunter08.com
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Forget that I was a lifelong Republican! Not anymore! Democrat, No! Independent, Yes! Ron Paul could have done great, except that Party restrictions limited him. How are we supposed to elect the most qualified candidate? If the People, the Politicians BOSS, can't access the candidate what is the point? Remove the party restrictions and allow any candidate access to the votes of their BOSSES! |
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How long has it been since some of us have listened to, or read, this Goldwater speech, so eloquently given by Ronald Reagan in his support for Barry?
Either take a few minutes to read it, here:
http://www.reaganlibrary.com/reagan/speeches/rendezvous.asp
Seems to me, this speech is every bit as relevant today, as it was then.
It truly is, a time for choosing.
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Phil, attempting to sidetrack the issue from the candidate to criticizing his/her supporters is ludicrous. We are electing a candidate to office. Not his/her supporters. |
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Anne, not that smart if you don't think this bogus poll yesterday was nothing more than a stacked deck designed to get the outcome they wanted. No way the NeoCons at Town Hall were going to let Ron Paul win. No Way. |
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This analysis shows bias. Yes, Duncan Hunter probably got some votes by being at the Straw Poll and working the crowd. But many or most who voted for him attended the event in order to vote for him. He is correct on the issues that the Texas GOP delegates are concerned about. |
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on another thread, I'm not ready to write off Hunter just yet. I always thought he would be a good POTUS, and was disappointed that he didn't have the numbers.
I also posted that while I don't put much stock in straw polls, but I was glad to see Hunter do so well. I'm eager to see how he does in the next debate.
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"But using that as an excuse for prematurely pulling out of the ME is a red herring and ridiculous."
You are missing the point. Our attackers are in PAKISTAN; not IRAQ. Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11 and President Bush has admitted it on numerous occasions.
We went to war in Iraq to carry out BILL CLINTON'S plan for regime change in Iraq! Geez people. This bill was passed way back in 1998. It is called the Iraq Liberation Act (Public Law 105-338).
9-11 was the perfect excuse to execute this plan. Just as it was to cram pre-existing totalitarian legislation down our throats, that they gave a pretty little name to... the Patriot Act. Did you ever ask yourself how the Executive branch could have ever created this HUGE piece of legislation so quickly and insisted that the Congress not take the time to read it, before voting??? |
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"If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on Earth. And this idea that government is beholden to the people, that it has no other source of power except to sovereign people, is still the newest and most unique idea in all the long history of man's relation to man. This is the issue of this election. Whether we believe in our capacity for self-government or whether we abandon the American revolution and confess that a little intellectual elite in a far-distant capital can plan our lives for us better than we can plan them ourselves.
You and I are told increasingly that we have to choose between a left or right, but I would like to suggest that there is no such thing as a left or right. There is only an up or down--up to a man's age-old dream, the ultimate in individual freedom consistent with law and order--or down to the ant heap totalitarianism, and regardless of their sincerity, their humanitarian motives, those who would trade our freedom for security have embarked on this downward course." |
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" In this vote-harvesting time, they use terms like the "Great Society," or as we were told a few days ago by the President, we must accept a "greater government activity in the affairs of the people." But they have been a little more explicit in the past and among themselves--and all of the things that I now will quote have appeared in print. These are not Republican accusations. For example, they have voices that say "the cold war will end through acceptance of a not undemocratic socialism." Another voice says that the profit motive has become outmoded, it must be replaced by the incentives of the welfare state; or our traditional system of individual freedom is incapable of solving the complex problems of the 20th century. Senator Fullbright has said at Stanford University that the Constitution is outmoded. He referred to the president as our moral teacher and our leader, and he said he is hobbled in his task by the restrictions in power imposed on him by this antiquated document. He must be freed so that he can do for us what he knows is best. And Senator Clark of Pennsylvania, another articulate spokesman, defines liberalism as "meeting the material needs of the masses through the full power of centralized government." Well, I for one resent it when a representative of the people refers to you and me--the free man and woman of this country--as "the masses." This is a term we haven't applied to ourselves in America. But beyond that, "the full power of centralized government"--this was the very thing the Founding Fathers sought to minimize. |
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"But using that as an excuse for prematurely pulling out of the ME is a red herring and ridiculous."
I don't even know what "ME" means. Iraq?
As for lumping me in with paulies or what ever his supporters are called, I don't get that either. I base my thoughts on reason and logic.
The WOT is disingenuous.
If my feet are on fire, I wouldn't put my hands in a bucket of water, to put the fire out. I'd put my feet in the bucket.
The WOT is unreasonable as it is being carried out. The question is why. |
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"They knew that governments don't control things. A government can't control the economy without controlling people. And they know when a government sets out to do that, it must use force and coercion to achieve its purpose. They also knew, those Founding Fathers, that outside of its legitimate functions, government does nothing as well or as economically as the private sector of the economy."
"The speech"
Address on behalf of Senator Barry Goldwater
Rendezvous with Destiny
October 27, 1964
This speech is a verbatim transcript of "The Speech" given as a portion of a pre-recorded, nationwide televised program sponsored by Goldwater-Miller on behalf of Barry Goldwater, Republican candidate for the presidency whom Ronald Reagan actively supported.
http://www.reaganlibrary.com/reagan/speeches/rendezvous.asp |
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AMEN Barry and Ron!
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as it is being carried out."
Hey, if that's what you feel, then knock yourself out. You're perfectly free to believe whatever it is that you want.
JUST AS everyone ELSE is free to believe whatever they choose.
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"attempting to sidetrack the issue from the candidate to criticizing his/her supporters is ludicrous"
There is nothing to sidetrack. Your candidate is boring as dust. Generating phony excitement by speed dialing online polls and trying to "rush" straw polls while spinning every statistic into a landslide victory is the only story surrounding Ron Paul. He got far more coverage the Duncan Hunter yet still lost in a landslide to him in his home state. You can't win an election by annoying the very people you need for votes. |
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Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset.
When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches,
mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets,
we have lost a vital part of our American heritage.
America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government.
Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
-- Police State USA by Dr. Ron Paul
"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."
-- Reichsmarschall Hermann Goering, Nazi Air Force (Luftwaffe) commander, the Nuremberg Trials
"The more we do to you, the less you seem to believe we are doing it."
- Joseph Mengele
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The GOP has been so corrupted by the NeoCons. When Ron Paul says, Eisenhower was elected go get us out of Korea, Nixon Vietnam he's right. Real conservatives always look at war only as a last option. Attacking nations that haven't attacked or never were threat to the United States is not conservative. Jacobian Trotyskism, yes! Since the mid 90s, the NeoCons have been pushing for the invasion of Iraq. Well the world would be a safer place is Saddam was still around. He acted as a check against Iran. Now Iraq is in turmoil and Iran is rising. Under Saddam, Iraq had a protected thriving Christian minority. His long time foreign secretary, Tariq Azi is a Catholic. Now Christians that haven't left are being killed on a regular basis. I'm not making any excuses for Saddam, he was a brutal guy, but all Arab regimes are brutal. He was a Secular Fascist. The Muslim Fundies hated him. Bottom line, the Iraq invasion is perhaps this country's biggest blunder since Woodrow Wilson got us into WW One. |
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A lot of people here don't know what "conservative" means.
Conservatives are NOT pro-war.
Conservatives are NOT interventionists.
A conservative does whatever it takes to avoid war and then would fight only as a last resort. A conservative does as little as possible, only what is necessary, to accomplish a task.
What I see here are a lot of "neo-con" nutcases. They are blood-thirsty warmongers. They are foreign interventionists. They think that the United States has some sort of moral obligation handed down by God Himself to convert the world over to the American way of life, because everyone else in the world is a bunch of backward heathens that need to be saved by us.
That is not conservatism. That is fascist authoritarianism.
If Hitler were alive today, he'd be one of you neo-cons.
Rudy Giulani is a fascist authoritarian. Mitt Romney is a fascist authoritarian. Fred Thompson is a fascist authoritarian. None of these three respect an individual's rights nor another country's sovereignty.
Ron Paul is a conservative. He understands the principals of liberty on which this nation was founded. He respects the rights of the individual and he respects the sovereignty of other nations.
Ron Paul is going to win the New Hampshire Primary because his message of freedom rings loud and true there. If it rings loudly enough, it will be heard throughout the rest of the nation in time for all of America to realize that it's not too late to restore liberty throughout the land.
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expelled on this thread that it's over my boot tops.
Clearly deranged driven!
And oh yeah, congratulations on your poll numbers! :-) I knew you could do it. Too bad you weren't in Texas, you'd have easily been #3! LOL
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You are smarter than the average bear. Very good and solid historical fact.
While in intel during the first Iraq, the whole community was dumbfounded as to what the heck we were doing, attacking Iraq. Even the US ambassidor of Iraq was perplexed. Obviously, no one listened then, as no one is listening today.
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What you described is not conservatism but a childishly utopian isolation. Our founding fathers did not advocate isolationism but staying out of European politics and empire building. In those days, our national interests were almost entirely contained within our borders.
The conservatism I buy into does not advocate abandoning our national interests to the whims of our enemies just because they lie outside of our now undefended borders. We are fighting in the ME to defend our national interests since we we don't have the will to wean ourselves from imported oil. You Paulettes can keep blathering about the pro-Israel/neocon conspiracy but it doesn't change the reality. It is the single, most offensive part of the Paulist agenda and you can't disguise it behind code words. If we are going to be a mere 4% of the world's population driving most of the world's economy because we do things right, we are going to be involved with the rest of the world. It's what makes us the most powerful and freest nation in history. How do we defend it? We keep simplistic and effete fools like Ron Paul from running the country. |
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"The use of ‘conspiracy theory’ is a derogatory epithet. It is something the propagandists have deeply embedded [into the collective American psyche] and has been perfected over the decades. It is a useful tool to eliminate articulate dissent, other points of view, and information that might be inconvenient for policy agenda." - Chris Sanders, Political Economist--Sanders Research
Liberty in a Bush/Guiliani world:
"We look upon authority too often and focus over and over again, for 30 or 40 or 50 years, as if there is something wrong with authority. We see only the oppressive side of authority. Maybe it comes out of our history and our background. What we don't see is that freedom is not a concept in which people can do anything they want, be anything they can be. Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do. [Interruption by someone in the audience] You have free speech so I can be heard." - Rudy Giuliani 1994 |
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Get a map. Just google Middle East maps. Print out a few good topological maps. Make a big circle around the oil fields. Now take a good look at who controls those oilfields. Still think this is about a Jewish conspiracy? If it is, they sure are good at stepping in and forcing us to defend our own best interests. Your arguments make as much sense as Elvira Ariana making her case to the Mexican Congress about how she is fighting for her constitutional rights in the U.S. to escape her beloved more country. The Ron Paul story justs keeps getting weirder and weirder. |
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Who said anything about oil fields? I was complimenting the gentleman on his historical fact.
"Jewish conspiracy"
What the heck are you talking about? |
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Oil fields. Oh Brother. They have to sell their oil. We get most of our oil from that Marxist Chavez. I'm not sure of the exact number, but I do believe we get less than 12 percent of our oil from the Middle East. |
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Ron Paul or Hillary Clinton. 70% of Americans want out of Iraq and want fundamental change -- like it or not. Ron Paul is the only Republican that has broad appeal to people across the political spectrum that are fed up with politics as usual. I have a hard-core democrat friend who has been waiting since 2000 to vote for his idol, Hillary. Although he disagrees with Paul on many social issues, he sees the importance of restoring our Republic and our monetary system. He is changing to Republican to vote in the primaries for Paul.
If disillusioned Dems were joining the party for any other candidate, you would welcome them into the "big tent".
People who support Paul come from every walk of life, young and old. Check out the profiles on ronpaul.meetup.com. Yes, I'm sure there are some fruits and nuts -- they like Freedom, too. But you will see alot of people who look and live just like you and your loved ones. Average folks who have had enough.
I voted for Bush, I was in favor of the war, but I was just duped into supporting a giant theft. Admit it...we were wrong. Everything bad thing Dr. Paul said would happen, has. How can you argue with reality? Fighting in Iraq has not stopped terrorists from trying and sometimes succeeding in attacks elsewhere. Quit running scared and think about what you're supporting. I am just as afraid of Clinton as I am of any of the other authoritarians winning. War and instability is profitable and a politically expedient way to keep the sheep in line.
And don't give me the liberal whine about the massacre that will follow when we leave. Let them fight their battles and let us get our country solvent before it's too late!
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"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free." - Ronald Reagan
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"We are fighting in the ME to defend our national interests since we we don't have the will to wean ourselves from imported oil. You Paulettes can keep blathering about the pro-Israel/neocon conspiracy but it doesn't change the reality"
Now that is so smart of you! You get an A in brainwashing class! We don't have the WILL to wean ourselves. Actually, people all over the country have the will to wean themselves. It's the politicians who don't have the will to quit taking oil money and mandate that change. It's not the "people" that want to fight over oil, and the rest of the world's resources, it's the profiteers and people like you who support them because you believe their lies. There are so many alternative fuel technologies out that are being used on a small scale right now --they work already! But most people have no access to them because of the governments refusal to support these initiatives. WE DONT NEED OIL ANYMORE -- we are choosing it and it's getting way too expensive in lives and treasure.
Yes, I have heard something about a Jewish conspiracy. I am disabled so I read the net quite a bit these days. I have seen it on YouTube comments, but never from actual Paul supporters. I am not able to donate much, so I try to choose my causes carefully. I donated last summer during the Hezbollah war to the Jewish-Christian Alliance for the war fund for Isrealis. I have never been anti-semitic and you sir, are just a rumor-repeater who knows full well what you're trying to sneak in. It is hard to take you seriously when you are obviously a liar.
I'm sure there are people of dubious character supporting a wide range of candidates, oh I guess we know there are from all the indictments and such. Just because some racist or wacko gets on YouTube and says "Yeah Ron Paul" doesn't mean Ron Paul supports his views! The vast majority of R.P. Youtubes are great! |
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... failing to live up to the hype when it comes to ACTUALLY gettin' out the vote!
All those intense Ron Paul folks didn't actually manage to git up off the sofa, now did they. |
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You?
Right now the field is W-I-D-E__O-P-E-N!
Hate to break the news to you, but when the field does get down to 2, it WON'T be ronniepaul or HELLary Clinton.
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When I received my Texas Straw Poll registration packet last June, I read through it immediately. It was clear to me that credentialing would take place all day (7 AM to 7 PM) on Friday and from 7 AM until 10 AM on Saturday. It was also clear that no delegates would be seated after 10 AM.
BTW, the registration fee was $50, not $75. |
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I'd be willing to bet that Ann is a Rudy Julie gal. |
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David Ziegler wrote: Saturday, September, 01, 2007 11:23 PM:
"The guy wins because he shows up? Making an appearance gains you the victory?"
No David, Lewis' analysis is far too simplistic and it seriously undersells and underestimates Duncan Hunter's message and his appeal. He has a strong, uncompromising message and his grassroots campaign is very solid. His supporters are knowledgeable and principled; they were friendly and not pushy - much like their chosen candidate.
Duncan Hunter is a Reagan conservative. That's why he won.
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I am pleased to see the Townhall neocons are in confederacy trying to spin Ron Paul's great showing at the this poll. They only make themselves look like idiots, which is fine by me.
National "polls" are showing him at 1-3%, but here he got 3rd place, 16%, among *delegates only*, no new voters. If he did that well here, there's no telling how much better he's going to do as the campaign goes on.
Oh wait, I better not speak out for Ron Paul, or I might alienate other Republicans and turn them against him! I better shut up now. |
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"Ron Paul is NOT a lawyer !!"
And thank God for that. We need someone to heal the country right now. |
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Ron Paul's supporters ran the gamut from young professionals to hirsute hippies to middle-aged parents to the fiesty elderly. Some of them were in-your-face offensive while others seemed slightly embarrassed by the shock tactics of their compatriots. Some tried to outrage with their theories on legalizing prostitution and drugs, and proudly sported their anti-war and anarchist tendencies while others quietly held their signs and were friendly to all. Some I really liked, and some I wouldn't care to cross paths with again. (Ghoulish anarchist goths, anyone?) It was a weird mish-mash of folks, but you gotta hand it to Ron Paul for uniting them all against The Establishment.
I will say one thing I really dislike about hard-core Paul supporters (is there any other kind?): they think they are the only True Conservatives and go out of their way to denounce anyone and everyone who doesn't agree with them as "neo-con warmongers" or something equally offensive. That unwarranted arrogance will lose RP more support than anything else - it is such an incredible turn-off.
Besides, nothing could be further from the truth. I am a conservative, albeit an Independent one, having left the Republican Party years ago - hence my own ineligibility to vote in the Straw Poll. Paul supporters shouldn't complain about not being allowed to vote because they weren't former delegates. Of course they weren't eligible - because they're NOT Republicans, they're Libertarians. Big difference. Libertarians can host their own straw poll and credential whomever they want. In this case, they were guests at the Republican Straw Poll, as I was, and some of them really made asses of themselves.
For those Ron Paul supporters that were impassioned, yet still polite and cordial, I do feel sorry for you that you will be judged by the company you keep...but it's a fact of life. And unfortunately, some of that company was downright WRONG.
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Thank you. That is exactly my point. The Paulettes are nutty beyond belief. There simply is no talking to the insane. I particularly enjoy their inevitable diatribes against Jews (that's their argument against neocons, it's code for an argument they will avoid unless pushed to explain). There is a reason why the Libertarian Party never does well in elections, they are full of Ron Pauls and Pat Buchanans. I'm like you. I dumped the GOP last November to become a member of the fastest growing party in America, unaffiliated independent. |
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Douglass, while at the Poll, I heard a LOT of complaints from Ron Paul supporters that they had way more people than anyone else, but only some of them were eligible to vote. I had to explain to them - more than once- that they were not eligible because they were not current or former delegates. In fact, they weren't even Republican! Just because they are registered voters did not make them eligible. The irony was that they couldn't see the hypocrisy of complaining that they couldn't avail themselves of the privileges of The Establishment while all the while scorning the members of The Establishment.
In fact, on these threads you see a lot of comments about ALL the people RP had bussed in..."if only ALL those people could've voted, RP would've placed second". Well, the rules were clear well beforehand. Some of us made extraordinary efforts to be there (even I, who couldn't vote). I know of several Hunter delegates who left at 0300 from Houston to get there in time. Sometimes the best-laid plans (such as your buses from Houston) go awry, but it's not a conspiracy - it's just bad luck or incompetence. Live and learn.
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Pasadena Phil writes:
"I particularly enjoy their inevitable diatribes against Jews (that's their argument against neocons, it's code for an argument they will avoid unless pushed to explain)."
This is an exhausted and used up straw man argument. A neocon is a neocon, not a Jew. Neocons support a foreign policy we cannot afford because it support their interests whether they are political or business. Some Jews are neocons, but the fact that they are Jewish doesn't mean a thing, no matter how many babies cry "anti-semitism". |
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Nice try but I've been around the block a few times on this one. Somehow I doubt your name is Feingold. Anti-semitism is at the heart of all of these Ron Pauls complaints about "neocons" doing the bidding of the powerful Israeli lobby. It just isn't possible to you guys that we are defending essential national interests in Iraq and that Israel is our ally pure and simple. It doesn't matter to me what Ron Paul advocates. His supporters are crazy. |
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JackShiite writes: "Do you become a "Republican" at birth or something?"
Of course not. You have to walk an aisle and sign a card.
Duh!
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Pasadena Phil writes: Saturday, September, 01, 2007 10:46 PM
"There is nothing exciting about Ron Paul"
Ever read G Washington's Farewell Address? Not very exciting but probably one of the most profound pieces of advise ever given to a nation.
BUSH is exciting? Chaney?
FREEDOM not exciting enough for you?
True intelligence and unselfish commitment seem pretty exciting to me - especially after 50 years of sold out, internationalist, big-government, I-know-how-to-run-your-life-better-than-you-do puppets!
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Pasadena Phil writes: "Anti-semitism is at the heart of all of these Ron Pauls complaints about "neocons" doing the bidding of the powerful Israeli lobby."
What, you're a diviner of men's hearts? This is exciting, I've never met a prophet before.
Antisemitism is hatred of Jews, not reasonable criticism of national Israel or our Israel policy.
Play the race card much?
Pasadena Phil writes: "It just isn't possible to you guys that we are defending essential national interests in Iraq ... "
But how DID all our oil get under their sand? |
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I meant. (Blog don't do the "does not equal" sign ...) |
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Pasadena Phil writes: "I particularly enjoy their inevitable diatribes against Jews (that's their argument against neocons, it's code for an argument they will avoid unless pushed to explain)."
And "Neoconservative-is-code-for-Jew" is code for "I'm too intellectually lazy to read about and investigate this for myself, so I let Salem Radio talk-jocks do my thinking for me. If they say 'neocon is code for Jew,' I believe 'em."
But in the event that I'm wrong about you, read Gary North's very informative "Introduction to Neoconservatism" at
http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north180.html
...wherein he traces the rise of neoconservatism using "the five W's of old-fashioned journalism: what, who, when, where, and why, in that order." A teaser:
"What becomes apparent in studying the rise of the neoconservative movement is this: (1) it is not a broadly based grass roots movement; rather, it is a movement of institutionally subsidized professors and essayists; (2) its founding members had spent their formative years as Democrats or (in some cases) as Trotskyites; (3) they had gained tenured positions at America's premier universities before they made to journey into the political swamps; (4) they gained access to influence in the Reagan years as conservatives." |
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How can people say Dr. Paul is antisemitic? He is the ONE person who is in favor of letting Israel manage her own affairs as she sees fit. He is opposed to the U.S. telling Israel what to do and he believes she is competent to make decisions in her own self-interest. So why do people keep saying he is antisemitic? I don't understand. Somebody explain this to me please.
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CMoore writes regarding the allegation that Dr. Paul is antisemitic:
"So why do people keep saying he is antisemitic? I don't understand. Somebody explain this to me please."
Some human behaviors just defy explanation and some events are just inexplicable. Radical acceptance is required when dealing with the human penchant for illogic and jumping to concussions. |
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Frank in Phoenix...I have been pondering and pondering. I have been pondering, mighty powerfully, let me tell you that....
How DID all our oil get under their sand over there in I-raq???
'Peers to me that your question must be one of them Zen Buddhist ko-ans or some such.
Damned if I can answer it. |
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If all of the effort presently being expended by neocons and other RINOs to evade the (to them) unpleasant reality of Dr. Paul's candidacy were to be put into reforming the Republicrat faction and focusing upon the cancerous character of the DemaGOP front-runner (I won't mention names, but it's a dead certainty that she's got the vote of every Botox salesman in the nation), there might be some hope in 2008 for the Party of Smoot-Hawley.
As it is....
Well, hell. I'm enjoying the spectacle.
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"In our brief national history we have shot four of our presidents, worried five of them to death, impeached [two] and hounded another out of office. And when all else fails, we hold an election and assassinate their character."
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Jack Shiite writes:
"Read around the blogs and you will see several TownHallers saying they will vote for Hillary if Ron Paul gets the nomination. The mere fact that they would switch parties to the liberals if a conservative is nominated should ACTUALLY make us WANT to vote for him even more! Throw the liberals overboard, they are stinking up the place."
Bill Kristol 2004
Kristol told the Times that John Kerry had the real answer to the problems there: we need to send more troops. Kristol explained that this agreement between the neocons and the Democrats should surprise no one:
I will take Bush over Kerry, but Kerry over Buchanan or any of the lesser Buchananites on the right. If you read the last few issues of The Weekly Standard, it has as much or more in common with the liberal hawks than with traditional
conservatives.
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I agree with matt's analysis about ron paul--that they turned voters against him.
I know they have had that effect on me.
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Perhaps some people should remember that they are voting for a candidate, not the candidate's supporters. I thought that would be obvious, but apparently some need a reminder. |
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Your post of Monday, September, 03, 2007 1:02 AM.
Perfection, brother! |
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"smith writes: Monday, September, 03, 2007 7:52 AM
ron paul supporters"
"I know they have had that effect on me."
"smith" thanks for the video!! It changed my mind too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9IJUkYUbvI
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JackShiite wrote: Sunday, September, 02, 2007 10:40 PM
Rudeness
"They wanted to vote for Ron Paul who is running in the Republican Party, but they are not Republicans? Huh? Do you become a "Republican" at birth or something? If they are voting for a Republican, they are a Republican.
And you people wonder why you get treated rudely? Maybe it is just an intolerance to stupidty, especially when that stupidity is destroying our country.
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You push, we push back. If you don't like it, go cry to your mommy."
Easy there, cowboy. Try to read in context. As explained time and again, the only people who could vote were registered Republican delegates. And as I said, many of the Ron Paul supporters were NOT Republican delegates because they are proud Libertarians. Why is that distinction so hard for you to follow? And you call me an idiot?
As to your last sentence, if there was ever one word that would describe RP supporters, it's PUSHY. You guys might revel in your rebel badness, but it's off-putting to regular folk. I saw it happen time and again this past weekend at the Straw Poll. It was unfortunate, but RP supporters, in their zeal and arrogance, push away a lot of people. You manage to completely obscure RP's platform with your mean aggressiveness. People have a hard time accepting your message if you try to cram it down their throat.
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Ronbaots: Jackshiite, Judgedredd, Liberty and the others.
How does one sign up to be a paid blogger for Ron?
I actually lived in the apartment building where his campaign headquarters was located and his new one is a cross the street where I attended law school. I could probably just go ask myself.
I imagine the money is pretty good right? Do they just give you a list of talking points and youtube videos to choose from in your postings so you don't have to think?
This post was an example of how ron paul supporters rip down others: Without reason. I just wanted to see how it felt.
I must admit, as i have before, I have many libertarian streaks in me and think Ron Paul is right on a lot if not most issues. However, I think those on this sight who support him generally are militant in their persuasions and do a horrible job in convincing others based on reason.
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It is much easier to attack than to support with reason. so stop being lazy and give us some reasons.
and yes, i know i just participated in the same tactic you seem to have mastered, but somebody has to say something. |
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It is true. Ron Paul is pretty sweet, but his supporters and their lazy often irrational zeal is a turn off. it fogs his philosophy and positions. more rational and substantive debate would do them well because his message is rational and should resonate with many. |
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I was thrilled to participate as a guest at Saturday's straw poll, it was an eye-opening view into the workings of politics.
After following Dr. Paul in the mini-parade from his hotel to the convention center, I entered the center's main hallway leading to the room where the speeches were to be given. I encountered an older woman seated alone, quietly, in a folding chair, holding a Duncan Hunter sign. It was sweet, somehow, and I couldn't help but make eye contact with her and smile as I, also alone and quiet, walked by holding my Ron Paul sign.
Imagine my surprise as she furrowed her brow at me and disapprovingly shook her head. :(
Inside, during the speeches, I sat next to a hilarious, but vocal, white-haired Ron Paul supporter in her late sixties. As the first video started up and the burning Twin Towers appeared on the huge video monitors, she leaned over to me and mumbled something about GOP propaganda. Before I knew it, a 55-ish Hunter supporter across the aisle left his seat to walk over to us and lean intimidatingly into our faces, saying "So you think this is a bunch of propaganda do you??!" Startled, I stared at him. The lady piped up, "You bet it is!" and he returned to his seat.
Such are the passions of politics. It made me all the more aware of the perception we are contributing to in our zeal to share a message. It is difficult to contain my enthusiasm, especially as it contrasts to my previously dismal outlook. I understand wanting to scream "wake up!" from the mountain tops. Though we have the near-oldest candidate, he attracts the youngest and most enthusiastic/formerly disenchanted supporters, and I hope we don't alienate others and appear radical.
But isn't it more radical to support a big money, short-sighted, collapsing war economy than it is to bore one's friends with talk of the abuses of the Federal Reserve, IRS, and the increasing centralization of unquestioned authority? uh oh, there I go again. |
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Why the rude remarks? I thought we were friends on a journey towards truth. Can't we just get along without these petty attacks and name calling?
I watched the video and thought it wierd. I just don't want to become a Mormon. So please stop with the snied remarks, because I'm fine with the faith I have and insulting me will not change my mind.
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All this noise among the Republicrat leadership about how they want the Party of Smoot-Hawley to become an inclusionistic "Big Tent," and when the candidacy of Dr. Paul begins attracting and exciting people who are *not* members of the Republicrat's incestuous customary cluster of "social conservatives" and Rotarian socialists, they get all nervous and tight-sphincter'd and post dim-witted mesomorphs at the doors to keep them out.
I'm enjoying this immensely.
I mean, watching the DemaGOP clustercopulation used to be the most fun as the cycle ran, but now that the Rockefeller RINOs are facing the first Goldwater-type challenge they haven't been able to suppress since 1980, there's some real entertainment value in following the normally staid Kabuki theater process by which the Republicrats pretend to choose a presidential nominee.
Go get 'em, Dr. Paul.
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Well I must admit I was disappointed we didn't do a little better on Saturday. And, if truth be told, I'm not the only one who had a long ride back from Fort Worth on Saturday.
But with characters like Eddie and SJ Doc (above) it doesn't take long to get back into the groove. Truth is I love this campaign and all the great people I'm meeting. What a classic moment when Dick C. appeared on a video introducing the first "ronnie" at the Straw Poll and the hisses were quickly drowned out by the faithful applause. This is really what it is all about (I think). We've got Reagan who espoused both the Neocon and Paulite principles being adored by all. Ronnie I, a converted Democrat, believed we must win the Cold War to bring freedom to the East European masses. The ultimate hawk and big defense spender. So the Berlin Wall falls and now the Neocons are convinced this approach works. Paulites love the freedom and constitution message and the fact that Ron II was one of the first to support Reagan in 1976.
My opinion - why all the fuss over Ron I to start with. He was a much better actor than President. As I recall, he nearly bankrupted the country in the late 80's and the government grew with every speech he gave. The WOT? He couldn't have misread it any worse than Bush. Reagan employed a "cut and run" strategy in the ME but is still considered god-like. I don't get the comparison or the veneration paid to my compatriot from Dixon, Illinois. |
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http://www.dailypaul.com/node/1850
Ron Paul - 263 (28%)
Rudy Giuliani - 220 (24%)
Fred Thompson - 188 (20%)
Mitt Romney - 89 (10%)
John McCain - 54 (6%)
Mike Huckabee - 35 (4%)
Tom Tancredo - 16 (2%)
Sam Brownback - 12 (1%)
Duncan Hunter - 3 (0%)
Write Ins:
New Gingrich - 17 (2%)
Bob Ehrilich - 3 (0%) (Ehrlich is former Republican Governor of MD)
Other - 11 (1%)
Spoiled ballots - 15 (2%) (e.g. voted for more than one candidate)
Total votes cast - 926 |
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