Monday, November 02, 2009
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Debt-Riddled CA Government Borrowing From Workers' Paychecks
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Posted by:
Meredith Jessup at
8:06 PM
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The LA Times reports:
Starting Sunday, cash-strapped California will dig deeper into the pocketbooks of wage earners -- holding back 10% more than it already does in state income taxes just as the biggest shopping season of the year kicks into gear.
Technically, it's not a tax increase, even though it may feel like one when your next paycheck arrives. As part of a bundle of budget patches adopted in the summer, the state is taking more money now in withholding, even though workers' annual tax bills won't change.
Think of it as a forced, interest-free loan: You'll be repaid any extra withholding in April. Those who would receive a refund anyway will receive a larger one, and those who owe taxes will owe less. ...The extra withholding may seem like a small amount siphoned from each paycheck, but it adds up to a $1.7-billion fix for California's deficit-riddled books...
California will probably continue to collect the tax at a higher rate for many years -- or find an additional $1.7 billion to slice from a future budget, an unlikely occurrence. All workers who have state taxes withheld will see their paychecks shrink.
"Many families are sitting at their kitchen table wondering how they're going to make ends meet," said state Sen. Tony Strickland (R-Thousand Oaks). "At the same time, the state of California is taking a no-interest loan." ...
The extra withholding comes in addition to tax hikes the state enacted this year.
In February, state income tax rates were bumped up 0.25 of a percentage point for every tax bracket. The dependent credit was slashed by two-thirds. The state sales tax rate rose 1 percentage point. The vehicle license fee nearly doubled to 1.15% of a car's value...
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OBAMA GIVES NEW MEANING TO CALIFORNIA DEBT " HEY BUDDY CAN YOU SPARE A DIME " THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA WOULD BE IN GREAT SHAPE IF WE DID'NT HAVE TO SUPPORT ALL THE ILLEGAL ALIENS WITH SCHOOLS , HEALTH CARE , CRIME , LAWYERS , TO THE TUNE OF 8 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR , BUT IT'S JUST THE RIGHT THING TO DO? MEANWHILE THE FAT CATS UP IN THE SACRAMENTO STATE CAPITAL DON'T HAVE TAKE DAYS OFF WITH NO PAY? HEY WERE SITTING ON A GOLD MINE OUT HERE , JUST OFF THE COAST "BLACK GOLD" "TEXAS T" ,OH BUT WAIT THAT MIGHT SPOIL THE VIEW FOR ALL THE HOLLYWIERD ACTORS CROWD. I FORGOT THEY OWN MOST OF THE CALIFORNIA COAST LINE, IT WOULD MAKE TO MUCH SENCE TO BLOCK THIER VIEW! THEY SAY DEPORTATION COST TO MUCH, MUST BE ALOT MORE THAT 8 BILLION A YEAR. SO I GUESS WE'LL JUST STAY BROKE HERE IN CALIFORNIA , UNLESS SACRAMENTO COMES UP WITH A BETTER IDEAL! GARY NOHORSE GREATER MOJAVE DESERT , CALIFORNIA |
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I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN CALIFORNIA , IT'S A NICE PLACE TO LIVE. OUR PROBLEM IS THE LIBERAL PEOPLE IN OFFICE IN OUR STATE HAVE WENT COMPLETELY OFF THE DEEP END AND DON'T KNOW HOW TO SWIM , BUT YET THEY WANT THE TAXPAYER TO ONCE AGAIN THROW THEM A LIFE LINE. "BS" WELL BARBARA BOXER , DIANE FEINSTIEN , & NANCY PELOSI WILL BE GETTING THIER PINK SLIPS IN 2010 , REASON IN PART JUST LOOK IN DIANE'S DISTRICT , VOTING AGAINST TURNING THE WATER ON OVER IN SAN JOAQUIN VALLEY , PUTTING TENS THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE OUT OF WORK OVER A SMALL NO HILL OF BEANS FISH . FARMERS LOOSING THIER FARMS , ARE YOU KIDDING ME!! IF WE RAN OUR CHECK BOOKS THIS WAY THE BANKS WOULD DROP US LIKE A CHEAP SUIT. YOU TELL ME I'AM WRONG COME ELECTION DAY!!!! CALIFORNIA WILL SURVIVE AND IT WILL COME BACK. FROM : GARY NOHORSE GREAT MOJAVE DESERT CALIFORNIA |
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I think "Steal" would have been a better word.
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They are never going to get their money back. Forced taxation without representation, sounds familiar. It does not matter what you call it, withholding more of your income is a tax. Look at what the 16th amendment (income tax) has caused. It gives the government, State and Federal, to take every last penny you make. There is no percentage written into that amendment.
To my fellow citizens in the great state of California. It is time to get your torches and pitchforks and head to the state capitol. On the serious side, get your rifles and head to Sacramento. |
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Not picking on Arnold - but if you look at who is running the individual municipalities, you'll find a mix of corrupt and incompetent people. With the natural resources this state has, we should be running in the black. |
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This is from the same state that had problems issuing tax refund checks last year. Do Californians feel comfortable getting their money back in April? Will see a lot of early returns next year. |
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The headline should read: "Debt-Riddled CA Government Stealing From Workers' Paychecks." The serfs of the bankrupt state of the People's Republic of California will be lucky to get their money back at all. |
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What if this is all intentional? Seems a lot of actions by the State and the Feds point to an concerted effort to ruin this once great country.
Things that make you go hmmm.
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I don't see how the sane in California can tolerate yet more theft by government, stealing money from pay checks yet.... Why don't these people march on Sacramento and snatch their moron governor and all of their imbecile representatives out in the street and beat them senseless? This stunt is even more deplorable than all of the other stunts pulled by California. I don't think that anything other than physical violence is going to stop these people. What a contemptible bunch! |
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Trust us, the vast majority of the conservatives who post here on TownHall are very well aware that not ALL of California is like the liberal fruitcakes which infest the Bay Area and too much of Los Angeles County.
As I said in a prior post, I lived in L.A. County for around 15 years, so I'm well aware of the political demographics of California. No one needs to tell ME that Orange and San Diego and Santa Barbara Counties (and so many others in rural California) are politically different than the Bay Area and L.A. County.
Yes, your fellow conservatives who don't live or have never lived in California, and those who DID but don't now, DO understand that unfortunately people like yourself suffer the collateral damage that liberal policies have produced in California. There ARE a few (unfortunately, NOT ENOUGH, but a few) rock-ribbed conservatives from California who post on this site, like MyOpine and Tommy and Lolo1 and Motley Crue.
Unfortunately, California may well have to become a human sacrifice, so to speak, as a visible demonstration to the rest of the nation of the destructiveness of liberal policies. |
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but looks like I can just drive there now. It'll be fun buying beads and baskets from the residents by the side of the road. |
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Northern California has lots of venture capitalists I believe. Maybe we can carve out certain portions of the state where the sane live and let the rest be washed away. |
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Don't blame Northern CA. We are normal intelligent people up here( okay I am generalizing and excluding SF) If SF falls into the ocean and we stop the illegals in LA county from voting, we would be much better off. |
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I just accidentally on purpose forgot to load the new state withholding tables into my computer so I didn't take any extra state withholding from my employees paychecks. I haven't gotten any complaints yet from any of my employees though. |
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Not all CA residents are liberals who deserve this fate. Trust me, I live in Orange County and we are all very Conservative here. It's those tools in NorCal that are causing the problems. Citizens have voted by the Liberal CA Supreme Courts over turn those votes. DO you honestly believe they would cut the entitlement programs to NON-CITIZENS! That is what CA Residents voted for YEARS ago. Now because of people who wanted gay marriage and so voted for the liberal we are fiscally screwed~! |
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Was there something constructive you had to say? Aside from "You might as well lay there and enjoy it"? |
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California - Wake Up! Now is the time to stop this confiscatory practice of withholding from employees' pay checks. You just may start a nation-wide movement. |
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Then I'll just have to start getting the ovens ready for the Democrats starting with the Wicked Witch of the West.
Californians got what they voted for Just like the country at large.Although I'm not exactly sure that arbitrarily taking more money out of peoples paychecks is legal. |
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As many have said -- all those stupid Californians voted to have their state run by Democrats (and celebrity Republicans like Arnie who doesn't even qualify as Dem Light). They are simply getting the fruit of what they voted for. Hmmm, maybe in the next gubernatorial election, they will elect a Democrat who can really "fix" things for them.
Like many people here, I have weathered the current two-year recession pretty well. I'm not wealthy, but in truth, I am getting by reasonably well. Why? Because like many people here, I have pared and pared and pared my weekly, monthly and annual budgets BACK to bare-bones. He who spends money he doesn't have is the same person who drives either his own personal life, or his national status, into Big Time Deficient. Not for me. Paring back, spending no more than I have coming in, is a strategy that has worked for me for decades now.
Too bad the American government and the American Congress, elected by MANY stupid people, hasn't figured that out. So go ahead, California. Elect a Democrat who will make things even worse than they are now. Give everything away and spend money you don't have and will never have. Way to go, Idiots.
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Life in a BLUE STATE!
How's that liberalism working for ya Kaulifornicators? |
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This "loan" is really a tax increase since a real loan is agreed to by two parties. I gotta admit this was slick marketing and packaging. Why don't they just call all tax increases loans that get paid back a million years from now? |
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"knuckle-draggin' neanderthals"
Calls a lobbyist a "WHO-RE".
Makes other incendiary comments about republicans, conservatives, GOP which contributes to the Democrat Party smear camapign of distraction, and, look-the-other-way, just don't look inside the Liberal "action plan". |
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Thanks! You've summed up well the state of the world. The whole world is a mess--the U.S. is the last good place for Christians. I just hate to see the country "go down." BUT, Our only REAL HOPE is in the Messiah. To quote John (in Revelation 22:20), "Even so, come Lord Jesus." |
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Yep---as Pedantic Liberal says,
"California is America" (Monday 11:51 PM)
As Kalifornia goes, so goes America.
Kalifornia's debt is now, $20,000,000,000.00
http://blog.209software.com/2009/02/california-debt-clock.h tml
Each of them, represented by that party which has brought STAGGERING debt to the remainder of its residents.
Stultifying as it is, this behavior is heralded by the clowns, such as Pathetic Liberal and her ilk.
This is their hallmark, their, fait-accompli.
They are as proud of this as anything they've created for America.
1.) ACORN? Small potatoes.
2.) Van Jones? Lightweight.
3.) Cass Sunstein? Chuckle.
4.) Cabinet full 'o tax cheatin' chumps? C'mon, get serious.
5.) Charles B. Rangel legal troubles? Child's play.
6.) Chris Dodd special favors from CountryWide. Gimmee-a-break.
7.) Anita Dunn Mao-luvin' muffin? Yeah, we love her too.
We want, $12,000,000,000,000.00 DEBT.
We want, 10% unemployment that we can be proud of.
We want, GITMO closed, no, open, no, CLOSED, no....oh well, we'll backburner that for another year or so.
We want, Afghanistan to....well....well....well....well...we want Afghanistan to, er, ummmmmmm....ahhhhhhhh, uhhhhhh, we want, Afghanistan to just, er, GO AWAY...
We want, you tea party dissenters to just stop what it is yoru doing---what is that?
We want, FoxNews to stop picking on us...
We want 2,000 pages of healthcare mumbo-jumbo to confuse so many people that they don't know what the hellll hit them...
We want to paint a picture of conservatives that is so despicable, so heinous, so vile, so unattractive that no one will ever pay any attention to the confusion and mayhem and chaos being generated by what is now undeniably the most irresponsible bunch of man-children and women-children who have ever lead our glorius country.
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Hole...!
"If I squinch my glassy eyes shut tight, cover my ears whilst singing 'traa-laa-laaa-laaaaaaa' and twirl my pointy-vapid head numerous times, you guys will believe meeeeeeeee..Right??"
..Pustulescent Lib'Rul |
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Regarding your question to NOTW: my sentiments as well.
For SOME people in this country, to be sure, they can find alternatives to the United States (Saint-Denis has told us that if life in America becomes intolerable under Obama, she's leaving for France).
But for myself, a white conservative Christian of Jewish lineage, I simply don't see any obvious places elsewhere in the world where I feel I could go and expect to be able to live out the rest of my life in reasonable peace and safety and prosperity.
Canada? THAT country is even farther down the road to authoritarian socialism than the United States. Europe? It's well on the road to becoming Eurabia, and even Great Britian appears to be being slowly lost to the Islamic surge. Australia? Well, maybe, but I've heard disquieting things about the direction THAT country is going. South America? Chile is probably the most viable possibility on that continent for someone like me (although I'd have to learn Spanish), but given the long history of political instability all throughout that continent, it doesn't seem like a safe long-term bet. Israel? That's a nation that actually probably WOULD welcome someone like me, but I'd be living in a country that might be on a war footing 24-7 pretty soon if Iran gets nukes.
Unfortunately, in surveying the world beyond the United States, I've come to the conclusion that for a white conservative Christian male of Jewish ancestry such as myself, if I can't LIVE here in the United States, I'll DIE here. |
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Will they take notice when we hit .75 or will it be when we hit .95. Sadly too many on the loony left believe that we can just take some more from the "rich". As long as some rich still exist in this country no sense bothering to try being fiscally responsible.
We are in a very scary place right now. This country is on the verge of bankruptcy and seems none of the politicians care. |
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I too am a former California resident, having lived in Los Angeles County in the latter half of the 1980's and all of the 1990's. To see the action that the state just took to withhold more state tax is merely one more in a list of reasons that seems to only grow longer with each passing day that I'm GLAD I left California.
As a matter of fact, I'm only sorry now that the state is only withholding JUST 10% more for state tax than it was previously; why not more than DOUBLE, maybe even TREBLE, what the state withholds from worker's paychecks for state tax if the state is so strapped for money? I say, let the people in California who seem so enamored of socialist governance experience the FULL MONTY of socialist reality. |
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Twelve Trillion dollars.
$12,000,000,000,000.00
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
Of every one dollar the federal government receives from you, the taxpayer, guess how much of that dollar goes to servicing the debt load?
No, really, just one guess.
Okay, three, I'll give you three guesses.
Ready for this?
Okay...
.47 of every $1.00. That's 47 cents. Nearly half of Uncle Sam's revenue is dedicated to interest on the debt.
Imagine, just for a moment. Put this in terms of your own family. Of every dollar you brought in, forty-seven cents immediately goes to an interest payment. That's before you even start to calculate your expenditures for running the houshold. YeeeeHaaaaaaw.
Those dem's really got us rockin' now, don't they? |
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...rants of Liberals and Leftists for decades now.
Hers is entirely clueless, vacuous.
This "Pathologic Liberal" chimes in regularly with the predictability of an alarm clock. Someone in her circle (most likely her adored uncle who has been the maniacal mentor for all Lib-lip service) simply sets her, and "VOILA", off she goes on the repetitive reportoir of emotive rants, raves, rages.
Drama-queen extra-ordinaire, she is stuck in her teen years timewarp when the, "Beach Boys", sang her thump-a-bump, theme songs all day long.
"Kalifornia Dreaming", that's the order of the day.
Nothing so terrible could happen that her dream-state delusions can't erase.
Not one thing she scribbles in her post on Monday (11:51 PM) is anything other than predictable platitude. Ad hominem attacks is all she ever has. It's all nothing more than pablum, for that "pacific-paradise" which she created long ago in that empty space between her ears. |
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There's a proposal to legalize pot floating through the Legislature. The fetching Mrs. Guano (not her real name) walked out of the Walmart and were accosted by a hophead with a petition to legalize the wacky weed. No worries stealing his identity - he probably can't remember any of his vital stats!
Actually we Stalinists should support legalizing pot. If leftians are totally hopped up, they won't even notice ven ve takes over ze world!!! |
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Better than that!
They are going to make it a ride at Universal Studios.
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Having had lived there for two decades (many family members for three generations still do), it is simply an observation that most Kalifornians do NOT care what their government does to them.
This withholding of more of their paychecks is just further proof that they are as CAVALIER as they ever have been in allowing what is reprehensible behavior by the state government.
"Like, as long as, like, they don't mess with, like, their, like, lattes (all 57 varieties of them) and their, like, fagula-fern bars, and especially----don't ever, like, interfere with their ability to, like, wash their vehicles at lease 5 or 6 times a week. Hoo--boy, that would be, like, catastrophic caca doo-doo demeaning to their image-projections, and all that."
"Like, you know what I mean?"
Kalifornia, one huge cluster... |
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You haven't really seen a chump until you see those CA state employee's that have voted D all of their lives get their retirement checks in the form of an IOU.
That will be one wasted trip to the mailbox.
Hey Eugene can we set up some hidden cameras so we can watch??? He He He |
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You haven't really seen a chump until you see those CA state employee's that have voted D all of their lives get their retirement checks in the form of an IOU.
That will be one wasted trip to the mailbox.
Hey Eugene can we set up some hidden cameras so we can watch??? He He He |
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Last year California had to delay sending tax refunds 30 days because they did not have the cash. What will happen in 2010. The state is in worse shape, they are taking more taxes even though they are not entitled to them and how will they pay them back. I believe you are right. I do not believe that the Constitution allows for states to demand to borrow money interest free to support their irresponsible spending. |
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It's one thing to enact a tax increase; it's another thing to "borrow" a worker's pay interest free. |
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How many more examples of utter failure do we need to once and for all prove to ourselves that these socialist liberal programs just do not work.
What's the definition of "insane" again? |
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Now, now stalkinghorse! Try to be positive. California will recover eventually, probably; after it's been thoroughly decimated and people are in so much misery that they can no longer stand living in the dump. Then they might vote to elect competent leaders who might be able to breath life into the corpse. |
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"hey chumps"?
You haven't really seen a chump until you see those CA state employee's that have voted D all of their lives get their retirement checks in the form of an IOU.
That will be one wasted trip to the mailbox.
And that's a whole new definition of chump! |
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You have not idea what the f*ck your talking about.
The popular uprising you turn your nose up at is not about republicans. Those idiots are still on the mat, yo.
You've been rolled and its obvious you don't know by whom. And you can have California. It ain't never gonna recover.
Cali is hemorrhaging tax payers and the dead wood is staying. Good luck making that work.
And soon you'll learn what the noise was all about. Till then, dream on, cuz we'er comin for ya in 2010. |
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Patriotic Liberal writes: Monday, November, 02, 2009 11:51 PM
California is America.
Arch says
No it isn't. Idiot! Do you not know that it is only one broken and ruined state out of 50 that has been ruled by libs for over 13 years?
Damn I thought I had read the most stupid posts ever last week by Axe and Bob Munck, until now! |
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your narrative is about three months stale, and even then, it was tiresome and cliche.
California is America. In both, there is a center-left majority that is stymied from enacting its agenda by noisy radicals on the right.
The supermajority rules may allow you to conduct a sitdown strike, as Howard Fine puts it, on governing, but in the fullness of time, you Reeps are looking at a major league backlash in the polls.
Kinda like what happened in 2006 and 2008--only then, people were appalled at the stupidity of your leadership. They were appalled where you took the country. They still are, by the way. I guess the South is with you. But what do they know? They have been a blight on our country from Day One to Present Day.
In the fullness of time, folks will recognize that this generation of Republicans are simply not good citizens, not good patriots, not good people. Have fun tomorrow night. We Dems are riding a wave to remake California AND America; to make us great again. You are riding a wave into the ash-heap of history. It is where all the losers and fools end up. You had a generation of empowerment and you disgraced your nation. Re-clown-licans. |
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the Rev. Jeremiah Wright of state governance. For as long as anyone can remember, Rev. Wright type solutions have been employed to solve the states problems. Rev. Wright was our "dear leader's" inspiration too. So worry not, it worked for California, and it can work for the rest of us, too. We is in good hands, Rev. Jeremiah wright's hands! Has anyone seen my Monthly Review? |
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Good 'Ol peoples republic "CommieFornia"! |
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It's the goverment they voted for ,so yeah ,they should quit whining . |
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Gotta take care of all those illegals some way! |
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"Its already happening in Spain..."
I've heard that if the House version of the healthcare legislation gets passed, our highest tax rate will surpass ANY of the rates of European countries. Spain, here we come. |
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Get a clue. You have about as much knowledge on California as my Neighbors dog. Actually he has more, since he knows not to P--s and Crap where he sleeps and not bite the hand that feeds him.
Dummycrats own the State Assembly. And their stupid desire to give everything to everyone regardless of cost has ruined the state. The State Budget has doubled in the last 12 years and the population has not. Can you handle that math?
Arnie aint a Republican. He is a Kennedy and an Austrian Socialist. He became governator when the ship was already heading full speed at the liberal iceberg that is entitlement.
But you are right, California is a mess thanks to the State Assembly. Thanks Dems!
Do you have a clue about Spain? Who is in charge? and why is unemployment now at 18.6% and climbing?...go ahead and do some homework and try to learn from other's mistakes.
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This is the future of your agenda. Our State is one of the highest taxed. It is driving away business to other states and the revenue is going down for it.
At some point, people will leave this country because there are better places to live. Its already happening in Spain which is about 6 years ahead of us with a BHO-like agenda (and is failing miserably). |
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