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"So, can one lib please explain how this bill is constitutional?"
It's following all of the constitutional procedures for going through both houses of Congress. It got a majority of votes in the House. What's not constitutional? If your side is serious about it being unconstitutional, you should be preparing a test case right now. |
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So, can one lib please explain how this bill is constitutional?
I keep asking but never seem to get a response. |
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Writes: "HAHA.. What a stupid article."
--- Ha Ha..what a stupid post.
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Writes: "if you really believe that the Democrats have destroyed themselves and that health care reform is deeply unpopular and will hurt the economy, you should be reasonably happy that your political enemies have opened the door for your own political misfortune to reverse."
--- Actually I'm not happy at all. Who could be happy when 16 million people are out of work; when I see the country spending money it doesn't have, leaving our children with more debt than anyone had ever imagined; when I see the deficit tripled in just 10 months; when one party is mis-reading the meaning of the 06 and 08 elections and trying to ram threw energy, healthcare and education policies on one-party votes, and that is sure to result in bigger government control and less personal freedmom, minimize any recovery, and probably result in another recession; when the dollar is getting weaker by the day; When there are 36 Czars running around making decisions on our lives even though they weren't elected to anything and are largely free from congressional oversight; when the gov't owns 18% of the nation's wealth and controls 30% of the economy;when I see our adversaries like Iran, Russia, and N. Korea emboldened by the lack of focus and resolve in Washington;when I see my commander-in-chief dither about whether or not to support his own strategy and commander in Afghanistan...
No, sir, I'm not happy. I am an American first, served my country for 30 years. I didn't vote for Obama, and when he won I told everyone I would give him a chance; and if he would govern like the moderate he claimed to be in the campaign, then we'd be OK. Hasn't turned out that way. He is so far left of the country, i think it's delusional for anyone to say any discontent with him has to be partisan. It's not. It's real and come November we will see how real.
No sir, not happy at all....
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Get that list of 'yea' votes and start working to get rid of the bums that voted for this monstrosity. The people will speak in 2010 and I just can't wait to hear the MSM spin the results! Then in 2012 Obama becomes a one-trick pony and we'll be on the way back.
Saw a great bumper sticker - "You have to have a Carter before you get a Reagan" Oh, how true that is!
Obamacare - "Just snake a tube down her nose, and I'll be there in 4 or 5 hours." - or is that 6 months? |
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What a stupid article.
A majority vote is abuse. Wake up fool. |
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This is the most disgusting, pathetic whining--my kids quit whining like this when they were about 5. Anyone who would think this, let alone write or say it, isn't worth the lint in their belly button. |
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Please get the math right - 3 vote margin only needs 2 votes to lose |
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How exactly is passing legislation by majority vote an abuse of the Democrat's majority?
Bills pass by majority vote. Period. That's the process.
If the bills happen to be deeply unpopular, then the people can vote for new representation in the next election.
Hence, if you really believe that the Democrats have destroyed themselves and that health care reform is deeply unpopular and will hurt the economy, you should be reasonably happy that your political enemies have opened the door for your own political misfortune to reverse.
The danger, of course, is that this doesn't turn out to be the apocalyptic nightmare you envision and people realize that your hysterics and hyperbole was bull and you find yourselves further in the wilderness.
I guess we'll find out. |
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Geez, finally!
Geez, This needs to happen....
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It is time for Americans to take back their country from obama, piglosi, reid, and the other socialist demorats trying to destroy this country. |
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post!!!! Your analytical, political conception is superbly documented with *FACTS. A *word that is totally foreign to the left. HOORAH!!!
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Ask for the shirt off my back and I will gladly give it to you if you need it. However, take it, or at least try to take it, off my back and you will have one-h..l-of a fight on you hands! OK, Democrats it is time for our fight! Are you really ready, or just stupid? |
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The third paragraph begins with, "now that the law has been passed..."
Only a bill has been passed. A bill does not become a law until the Senate passes a companion bill, the two bills are made uniform in conference committee, the conference committee's bill is then passed again in the House and in the Senate, and the President finally signs it into law. |
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What exactly is it that defines how a bill is "rammed" through? Health care legistlation has been discussed for years, if not decades. This particular legislation has been making its way through the Capitol since spring. And now it has passed with a majority of votes.
Now, I understand that you don't like it, but the process has been completely constitutional every step of the way. You guys lost. You knew you were going to lose all along. You can get mad and complain, but NOTHING was "rammed through." |
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Time will tell. The handwriting is already on the wall, OBAMA A ONE TERM PRESIDENT! BECAUSE HE DOESN'T HAVE A CLUE WHAT MAKES AMERICA GREAT AND WHAT MAKES PROUD AMERICAN LOVERS TICK! |
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I self insure? So do I. What makes you think it'll still be cheaper in the future? You get to upgrade to a one size fits all policy.
Oops, did I say 'get to'? I meant to say you WILL do as you're told. Welcome to the new Party of the People.
Foolish Libs all have a shovel in their hand helping to dig the hole to bury the Constitution. Why don't they get that they'll be stuck in the hole? |
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have to learn the hard way! Unfortunatly, they are causing those who love America and our onstitutional freedoms to suffer their folly along with them! What short'sighted bird'brains the leftist are. God save us from the enemies within! What were the voters thinking to give one side all the power? Absolute power corrupts! |
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of more than 2/3rds, and almost 3/4ths of the people, will be the DemonRats "Waterloo".
Let's make sure they get "the bum's rush" in 2010 AND 2012.
I wish I could help, but FORTUNATELY I live in a state and congressional district where I'm represented by a Republican:
Governor
Lt. Governor
2 U.S. Senators
and Congressman.
Good luck to the rest of you.
You CAN make a difference at the ballot box. |
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ANY, ANY AT ALL, will include tax payer funding for abortion, and illegals. It will be the GOVERNMENT OPTION, which will be the only option, because leftists want to control what we eat, and how much, what activities we can and cannot do, including religious faith, what our employment will be and what it won't be, but what they most want to control is the population! How many children we can and cannot have. With the GOVERNMENT OPTION, they can damn well do it all! But real American's will never, ever stand still for that. That's why we have a second amendment, isn't it! |
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San Fran Nan got the 39 votes by allowing the Stupek Amendment to pass but boy howdy, don't you know that in Conference, that will be gone. When Carol mentions that we all ought to broadcast the horrors of this bill, she is spot on. The GOP, Reagan Dems, Indies , Libertarians all ought to make sure on a daily level that the media is flooded with facts to show the sleeping public just how the Dems have chipped away at liberty and free enterprise. Taxes and spending will go through the roof for some 15 million supposedly ppppppooooorrrr Americans who cannot afford Care. This too is a lie. But, if Joe L and some common sense Dems join the GOP, perhaps the Bill will burn. Remember, joined with Cap and Trade, coming Amnesty, huge deficits never to be paid back, the failed Porkulas, the economy is not going to roar back and people should be reminded that this is Obama's economy and all the bills adding to our debt and lack of freedoms, are his and his alone to contemplate as voters come out in 2010. |
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That should say: the abortion funding restrictions absent. |
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The Dems may have a majority in the House, but this bill barely passed. Not exactly a ringing endorsement of "health care reform" by our representatives, is it? Wait until those pro-life Democrat enablers see the final version with the abortion funding restrictions back in...do you think they will regret their actions? |
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This is just another teachable moment to illustrate the madness of the present "leadership" in our government.Now that this giant kidney stone of a bill has passed the people will be able to see all the garbage it consists of as more info gets out.The NY 23rd election has shown us where the conservative leadership will come from....time to get our ducks in a row. The libs are going to crash hard and the country will beg for conservative leadership. |
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You hit the ball with the sweet spot of the bat my friend.
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law, or anything close to it. Because, if it did, it would be the end of the democrat party as it is constituted today. The leftists who have controlled that party for some 45 years are so out of step with the American people that it is simply breathtaking. They have completely misread the 08' presidential election. Boldly, and endlessly they proclaimed that there had been an FDR like realignment, transforming the electorate forever! James Carville, flatly stated that Virginia was lost, that minorities and the young were the new demographics, conservatism was dead, and the Republican Party was relegated to being a regional party confined to the Deep South, with only angry white men as members. What Carville and the rest did not and do not understand is that 08' was an anomaly, and as Charles Krauthammer stated, "was one of the great flukes in American political history". Exactly one year later we have the proof. Carville's Virginia, elected a Republican Governor, winning by 17 points, which represents a 23 point turn around from 08'. Deep blue New Jersey, won by obama by 15 points, went Republican by 4 points, a 19 point turn around! Independents who had narrowly voted for the man-child in 08', went Republican by 33 points in Virginia, and 30 points in New Jersey. In a total repudiation of obama and his acolytes. Every now and then, these leftists will flim flam the electorate, convincing them that they're something they are not, win the election, and then govern as the leftists that they are. Then the people, seeing who they really are, reject them and their corrosive policies. The election of barack hussein obama, the greatest fluke in American political history! But it's all over now, the gigs up, the ether has worn off!! |
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"Ms. Liebau
Would you care for some "Cheese" to go with that "Whine"? If only the 3 vote had been different...... Stop your crying and start thinking about your future in lane 3. Clean-up in lane 3...Damn you LOST, again!!! "
You know, for being the party that supposedly cares about the poor, you all just love to insult the poor. Whats wrong with working in a grocery store?
No, we didn't lose, America did.
So killer, maybe you will bite. How is his bill constitutional? Please defend with specific language from the constitution, thank you. |
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You have a powerful argument? I self- insure, it is much Cheaper... |
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Guess you don't live here? Or you just plan on always having a job at or near the poverty line?
Or?
btw, there are a few million people that today could eaasily be on Medicaid. They chose not to, or don't want to deal with the beaucracy.Guess we better start building more prisons? I doubt any of them can pay the fines Nancy wants to impose on them...Ah, such compassion from the Left.
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Would you care for some "Cheese" to go with that "Whine"? If only the 3 vote had been different...... Stop your crying and start thinking about your future in lane 3. Clean-up in lane 3...Damn you LOST, again!!! |
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are hungry and have no jobs, well; let them eat health care." |
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Apathy and Tolerance are the last virtues of a declining Society.
~Aristotle.
Its been known long before it started here... |
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Spoiled, self centered,entitlement oriented infantile a-holes don't feel shame. |
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Once again we see "apathy" helping to destroy
our freedom and way of life! If you mention this
healthcare "conform" to the average young person
in America you will usually find a total apathy and ignorance. It may be true that people get the government they deserve because by ignoring the never ending confiscation of power by our government entities we are being enslaved without even a whimper. Shame on the "baby boomers"whose parents fought and died for our freedom and now we allow our riches to be force-
ably extorted by an anti-american, anti-capital-
ist regime in Washington that plans a complete
Marxist takeover,which will make elitists of the
non-productive class in America! |
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I have no doubt that Landmark Legal foundation will be challenging this. |
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Excellent challenge.
But don't wait up. |
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Is this bill constitutional. The greater question is who will bring suit against it and with what resources. I suspect if you ask the people to donate to a legal fund to file a law suit challenging the constitutionality of this attempt by the Dems to "force" the people into servitude, the donations would be incredible.
How 'bout it Legal Beagles, who has the brass to step up to that challenge? |
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Hello libs, can you please tell me how this bill is constitutional?
Hello? |
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"CPL=Sore Loser
wow
yup you can tell it took the wing nut right a few hours to get their wits bac after getting slapped around so hard by the dems last night-of course this is CPL answer and follow up to her previous post which apparently Rep. Joe Cao didn't get or didn't read-I guess we will never know will we?"
That wasn't even coherant. The bill bearly passed, do you understand that? No one was slapped around. Well, except for the American people.
"Oh well at least we have Miss Lie bou here with her usual victim hood and faux outrage."
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The original intent of implementing "healthcare reform" was to provide access to insurance to those who did not have or could not afford it. Now, not only are those who can't afford said insurance going to be forced to buy it, (with what remains to be seen,) they will be threatened with fines and imprisonment if they don't.
I have no idea where the people are going to go from here after their subjugation by the government but I suspect that before this bill reaches final passage, the fit is going hit the shan.
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Hoooommmmmmeeeee to roooooost, Y'all!
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh, you're sooooooooo RIGHT, Rev.Wright. |
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The beginning of Idiocracy. You must feel proud.
Don't lose your job soon. You may not get one again... |
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Good call on the Corzine is a lock.
Did you place that bet Frank? Remember your "you can bet on it" prediction.
What a jerk-off |
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wow
yup you can tell it took the wing nut right a few hours to get their wits bac after getting slapped around so hard by the dems last night-of course this is CPL answer and follow up to her previous post which apparently Rep. Joe Cao didn't get or didn't read-I guess we will never know will we?
Oh well at least we have Miss Lie bou here with her usual victim hood and faux outrage.
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