President Bush stated when asked about Katrina and FEMA, he said the helicopters were rescuing people from rooftops a few hours after the area began flooding. It was the 'chocolate mayor' Nagin who froze in the headlights while shirking responsibilities as the city's decision maker. He did not request help from the state or the feds until all his school buses were sitting in 5 ft. of water. Suddenly he reached back for his convenient 'race' card and played it on national tv hoping to trump the President.
Then from out of the woodwork comes JESSE and AL to insure that the tv cameras are focusing on the 9th ward.
It is so safe and secure for a majority of Africans to continue to be the 'victims'. Even in the past few days JESSE and AL have both been stating that the choice of an African president is only a start, and that racism still runs rampant throughout this country.
Me.. a racist..? No more than JESSE or AL or ROLAND MARTIN or DONNA BRAZILE or BOBBY RUSH or MICHELLE OBAMA. |
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Keep up the good work.
I have often thought of the devastating floods in Iowa and the midwest and compared that to Katrina. While both situations were devasting the people in the midwest put their shoulder to the wheel, didn't whine, blame or pout. They went to work and didn't look for handouts or place blame.
Isn't it amazing what Americans can do? Thanks to you and to all those in your area who showed us that example. |
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and then go out and read and learn. What you think you know about Bush, Clinton, et al cannot be supported outside of the Kos or other left-wing nutjob pages where no proof is necessary. The fact is that Bush had problems with his veto pen, and wanted illegals here, but he kept us safe. Thank God. He taught the world to respect us, rather than love us, like the left craves.
Clinton didn't keep us safe; he treated the first Towers attack as a little incident and and only arrested the perpetrators, letting the planners go free. He also appears to have used the fence between intelligence and law enforcement erected by Jamie Gorelick to keep his friends from being arrested for giving secrets to the Chinese on missiles and nuclear arms. |
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Will honor this day of peaceful transferance of power. I will stand down today. Wish your peeps could have done the same. Thanks W for keeping us safe. |
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I only hate those who'd deny liberty to others. In the US, that'd be liberals (the modern kind).
You're just mad at me because I call you on your PDS. |
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I know it's convenient for you to ignore the fact that I call myself a classic liberal rather than an anarchist, but that fact still remains. Govt exists because bad people who would deny others their liberties exist. Please quit disputing the fact that I realize this.
There. Happy?
"So what if the tornado in Windsor had killed a few thousand people, ..."
If the state and local governments confiscated the majority of tax dollars (rather than the federal govt), they'd be better able to handle such an emergency. And given their proximity to the disaster, they'd be more efficacious than an entity a thousand miles away.
If less money were confiscated by govt, private charities, private business, and private citizens would be better able to handle such an emegency. My chainsaw and truck would be no more or no less use than before.
I'll tell you what, rather than sit around like a parasite with my hand out (like the folks in NO), I and my neighbors would roll up our sleeves and get to work. The first person who whines and bi*ches that its the govts job to make us whole is the first person we'd eschew. I don't know where you're from, but around here we call those people "Californians" or "Democrats".
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Sorry Scarlett...
FEMA was a big, inefficient disaster under Clinton. In 1994 we had a massive earthquake in California and their response was utterly worthless. Their idea of "response" was to have an 800 number for the victims. Since no one could ever get anything beyond a busy signal, it turned out to be an inept, hair brained idea. We had victims who ended up committing suicide after giving up hope on the government to help. |
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"You will also find 'the plumber' goes by seveal names."
Ah, the kind of wingnut who thinks he's a combination of Lazarus Long and John Galt. |
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You will also find 'the plumber' goes by seveal names. He's not really a plumber, but an unemployed kid in his parents basement somewhere in Arkansas (hucks kid perhaps?) He hates gays, mormons, thinkers, women, men, kids, cars with wheels, you name it, he bashes it. With two exceptions. You'll learn them as this goes on. |
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"Are you really that stupid? The difference between what was destroyed or killed is the state and local government and MS governor did a hell of a job and as a result had less collateral damage."
Cubsfan was arguing that Mississippi had MORE damage than Louisiana. You seem to agree with me that it didn't. But you're also arguing that that opinion is "stupid." You may be confused.
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"Govt cannot grant liberty, it can only take it away."
So if someone is keeping slaves and the government declares that illegal, the slaves aren't freed?
'"Free speech" exists in the state of nature.'
In reality if you leave things in a "state of nature," the biggest, strongest guy ends up in charge and everybody else loses their freedom of speech and freedom of pretty much everything else. That's why we form governments.
So what if the tornado in Windsor had killed a few thousand people, left a million or so homeless, and destroyed the roads, water supply, sewage system, and electrical system? What good would your chainsaws and pick-up trucks have been then? |
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So, Obama and other Dems talk about bipartisanship and then take every opportunity to villify Bush and Republicans. Even if they retract this statement, it probably reflects their basic attitude. I hope our Republican leaders don't get seduced into trusting this bunch. |
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some 20-something staffer on too much caffeine wrote that swill which won't last long. Says more about what kind of command Obama has over his staff.
What had me chewing on my knuckle was the Energy and Environment agenda. That read as if the Sierra Club or algore wrote it for him. Man, the next four years are going to get expensive. |
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Nearly half of the Mississippi's coast population was left homeless by Katrina. Thousands of businesses were destroyed also. Not saying New Orleans didn't suffer they did. New Orleans was a man made disaster. If the leeves had held the disaster doesn't happen. That morning of the storm the headline was the city had dodged a bullet before the leeves failed. In Mississippi it was the storm surge. The storm surge was 28-34 feet! The highest surge in Louisiana was 20 feet. The surge in New Orleans was about 17 feet it did top the leeves which caused the disaster. They were only built for 15 feet. |
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"No, it's your opinion."
You're right. It is my opinion that govt officials in the City of NO were best suited to react to Katrina; both before the hurricane hit and its aftermath. Given the proximity of the govt of NO to NO, it's common sense to me.
"So you're saying that things like "free speech" are extraneous? Seems to me there's a lot of stuff in the Constitution that doesn't come under your definition."
Govt cannot grant liberty, it can only take it away. "Free speech" exists in the state of nature.
"The thing is, we all know that if one happened to you, you'd change your mind."
First of all, I have more faith in my friends and neighbors than apparently you have in yours. When the tornado hit Windsor, CO last year, so many people (including myself) showed up with pickup trucks and chainsaws that law enforcement turned us away even though many of us (including myself) have relatives affected by the tornado. BTW, I watched the tornado hit Windsor from my deck.
Secondly, local and state govts are not prohibited from providing taxpayer relief to the victims of such a disaster.
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Thanks! I appreciate your kind words. |
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They will have a hard time going "cold turkey" on the BDS. 8+ years of this crap. Take it to someone who gives a damn what you have to say. The "real" Scarlett was a spoiled rotten little brat with her hand out. You should be ok taking what isn't yours over the next few years. You really have overstayed your welcome and overstated your case. Understand why some might think you're a barfly. Pres. Bush and his wife treated every pervert in the dem party with class because they don't talk like truckdrivers. That would be the Clintons, the Obamas, Like the jihadists the dems thought it was weakness and started before Bush took office pounding him for every mistake made on both sides of the aisles. It just is not his nature, to his own detriment, to fight his battles in public. It wouldn't be hard to envision the dem wives in a street brawl. And Clinton and Obama could talk each other to death. |
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Whoever's doing it, it really contributes nothing to rational discourse. But maybe that's your goal; to disrupt the rational discourse. It certainly says more about you than about anyone you're addressing.
It does appear that you were the first, at least today.
Hey, y'all, maybe it's just best to ignore Scarlett's rants and especially her insults. That's usually the best cure for attention seeking behavior. |
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I feel your pain! Monkey girl has been a trip for as long as I have been on TH. They are sore losers, not objective and very sore winners to boot. She has been ignoring my posts today...so you are lucky,heh! :) |
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Are you really that stupid? The difference between what was destroyed or killed is the state and local government and MS governor did a hell of a job and as a result had less collateral damage. That doesn't excuse the gov't of LA. Gesus H. Christ you people are effing amazing!! The people of LA were wating for handouts rather than helping themselves and taking any responsibility. What the hell do you think the early governing bodies did? Bailed people out of natural disasters that nobody knew were coming? Nope, when it hit, they cleaned up and spent their own freaking money...No hand Outs!! |
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I've been bashing the socialists in the GOP here on TH for over two years. Stick around a while, you'll see I'm in good company. |
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"It's not a "rule". It's common sense."
No, it's your opinion.
"The primary function of government, any government, it to keep its citizens from dying violently. Anything govt does beyond this is extraneous."
Ah, another rule. So you're saying that things like "free speech" are extraneous? Seems to me there's a lot of stuff in the Constitution that doesn't come under your definition.
Sounds to me like you were exposed to Ayn Rand before you'd developed the needed intellectual immune system.
"I expect the federal government to do nothing to help me or anyone else in the event of a natural disaster."
The thing is, we all know that if one happened to you, you'd change your mind. |
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.......uses the handle of a fictional slave owner is puzzling. Ya should have stuck with Lola C. |
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Right back at ya!
Your comments are hilarious, the only one bloviating and showing lack of class is you.
Have a great day from here on in. I will just scroll past your posts. |
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"Wrong! The Mississippi Gulf Coast had 60,000 homes destroyed in an area with 350,000. That left nearly half the people homeless"
60,000 homes destroyed in Mississippi out of 275,000 total destroyed. 1,577 deaths in Louisiana, 238 in Mississippi. And you're claiming that Mississippi was hit HARDER? |
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"Interesting. Where does that rule come from? Have you a link?"
It's not a "rule". It's common sense. I can keep the weeds pulled from my lawn. Given time, I can keep the weeds from the lawn of my immediate neighbors. I cannot be efficacious in keeping the weeds from the lawn of someone a thousand miles away; neither should I be held accountable for the existence of said weeds.
"And if a tornado, earthquake, or meteor hits where you live, you would expect the federal government to do nothing, because other people should not be coerced by the federal government to help you?"
The primary function of government, any government, it to keep its citizens from dying violently. Anything govt does beyond this is extraneous. Given that in a free society, the only thing that differentiates govt from any other institution is the ability to coerce compliance; and given that our Constitution's intent is to establish a govt while limiting its power to coerce compliance beyond govts primary function; then yes, I expect the federal government to do nothing to help me or anyone else in the event of a natural disaster.
"Are you sure you want to live in a civilized society? You might be more suited for a bunker somewhere in the wilderness."
I'm a classic liberal, not an anarchist. As well, I don't confound "society" with "government".
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I'd always heard that in connection with a night at the bar. Now I see that it also applies to some folks political commentary.
Thanks, Scarlett. |
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Hayek dedicated his most famous book to "The Socialists of ALL Parties" [emphasis mine], not just the Democrats.
FEMA shouldn't exist at all.
As far as the dismantling of govt, I'll rejoice at how small govt is on April 15.
"...however little the people may give, when this amount does not come back, it is soon exhaused by always giving. The State is never rich, and the people is always destitute.
It follows that the greater the distance between the people and the government, the more burdensome taxes become. Thus, the people is least burdened in a democracy; more so in an aristocracy; and in a monarchy it bears the greatest weight. Monarchy, then, is only suited to opulent nations; aristocracy to States of averave wealth and size; democracy to small and poor states." -Rousseau, On the Social Contract, Book III Ch VIII
"When, among the happiest people in the world, groups of peasants are seen deciding the affairs of State under an oak tree, and always acting wisely, can one help scorning the refinements of other nations, which make themselves illustrious and miserable with so much art and mystery?" op. cit., Book IV Ch I.
The federal government isn't worth what I pay. The federal government is not rich, and net-taxpayers are becoming destitute as a result. |
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Wrong! The Mississippi Gulf Coast had 60,000 homes destroyed in an area with 350,000. That left nearly half the people homeless. The GOP still won Missouri, Kansas, Arizona, Utah, alaska, Wyoming, North dakota, South Dakota and Montana. Plus Indiana is a GOP state that Obama just got lucky in the GOP controls almost everything there. Obama won Ohio, florida, Indiana by less than 3 points. It's a much closer race without the states in his column. |
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I said lazy BUTTS not bums.
Get some glasses or go back to elementary school. |
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Thanks for sticking up for Iowa and me. But we are a beef and pork producing state (as well as the corn belt of America). Our pork is more famous because it is so tender and good.
Scarlett is a vile troll, I do my best to ignore her, but sometimes you just can't help it as she is soooooo ignorant in her posts, you are just compelled to put her back in her place although I have not been able to find that darn rock that she crawled out from! |
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You would be better off Scarlett dearie if you actually read anything that anyone posts.
You claim I am a victim, I never said that, what I said was that Iowans came together in a community teamwork effort and rebuilt ourselves!
Unlike the lazy butts in New Orleans that had to have labor imported from other areas because they did not care enough about their own city and homes to rebuild themselves.
Scarlett you angry woman, unlike you, I believe in self-responsibility, not government handouts. History has shown over and over again that it is the self-responsible that get ahead in this country. But you voted for the "largesse". So you reap what you sow and I will have the last laugh at your expense.
And you have a problem with corn fed? I bet you like your pork chops and steaks nice and tender though don't ya? That is the beauty of corn fed. You are an ignorant twit with half a brain cell.
Go away today and celebrate your messiah's coming. Come back tomorrow and play nice or don't play at all. |
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"THE SOUTH NEEDS TO SECEDE"
You'd better hurry. You've lost Virginia and North Carolina, Florida was always more Manhattan South than Old South, and you're going to lose Texas in another couple of years.
I doubt that there'd be much resistance from the rest of the country to a second Succession, though. Where do you think the Capitol would be? Branson? |
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Looks like the campaign for 2012 has begun... |
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is getting really old. It's high time that all Americans move on and give credit to Bush for keeping us safe while being able to criticize him for taking us into an unnecessary war. Obama will do his best to improve this country and I think he'll be an amazing President. Yesterday he was volunteering and on Tgiving he was feeding the homeless. I think that is amazing for him to take the time to show Americans how to be of service in their communities. At the end of the day, Bush and Obama are just men and we should all give them credit where credit is due. |
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Thanks for mentioning that poet. I didn't watch but I did listen. What the H3ll was she talking about? I was trying to remember where I'd heard that voice before and Rush helped remind me - that's the voice on my GPS system. |
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"I pray Nagin is not the mayor, and Blanco is not the Govenor!"
Of course you no longer have to pray that Bush is not the President. So you've got that going for you. |
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I am from Georgia and am encouraging all southerners to encourage the secession of the South from the Union. |
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..........or meteor" hits where I live I pray Nagin is not the mayor, and Blanco is not the Govenor! |
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"New Orleans officials should receive the lions share of any and all blame for any and all govt failures, next should be the govt of Louisianna."
Interesting. Where does that rule come from? Have you a link?
"I shouldn't be coerced by the federal govt to help them in any way, shape, or form."
And if a tornado, earthquake, or meteor hits where you live, you would expect the federal government to do nothing, because other people should not be coerced by the federal government to help you?
Are you sure you want to live in a civilized society? You might be more suited for a bunker somewhere in the wilderness. |
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"The Mississippi Gulf coast was hit much harder than New Orleans."
But it has a lot fewer people and sustained very much less damage.
"The folks on the Mississippi coast opposed Hussein by over a 2-1 margin."
Well, sure. It's the Old South, the last bastion of the fading republican party. |
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Why is anyone surprised? It's going to be
the unofficial 2012 Obama Re-Election Site,
and it started on time. Bash Bush for 4 more years, blame everything on Bush, for 4 more
years. Hangnail, Bush did it. Broken bicycle,
Bush did it.
Katrina and New Orleans are rebuilding Mr. President, and it has been that way for a long
time now. Then again, the hold up on the ground is largely due to the regulations that exist
in that state, and in particular, in that county and city. Not in D.C.
That's change alright, from a classy guy to
a classless party.
Keep his promises?
The clock is ticking......
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FEMA is part of the same flawed system. It is a cog. New Orleans officials should receive the lions share of any and all blame for any and all govt failures, next should be the govt of Louisianna.
Besides, that people choose to live in an area on a hurricane-prone coastline, below sea level, shouldn't be my problem...ever. I donated clothing and two tents to Katrina relief efforts, however I shouldn't be coerced by the federal govt to help them in any way, shape, or form. |
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The Mississippi Gulf coast was hit much harder than New Orleans. You don't hear Haley Barbour making excuses. The folks on the Mississippi coast opposed Hussein by over a 2-1 margin. He carried New Orleans 80-20 but was crushed in the surrounding parishes by more than a 2-1 in Southeast Louisiana. Keep up guys it didn't work. The folks there reject your view of America. |
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"A response to a disaster like Katrina required a cigarette boat that can turn on a dime."
That's why FEMA exists. |
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Hobbes argued for monarchy because of expediency.
Rousseau proved that as a country gets larger in size, be it geographically or demographically, government must get smaller to be efficacious.
Our government is like a battleship: it has twenty-odd support vessels to keep it funtioning properly and it takes a mile to turn the damned thing around. A response to a disaster like Katrina required a cigarette boat that can turn on a dime.
Blaming Bush for a system out of line with reason is, to be kind, inappropriate. Your response to me is a display of the same lack of class exemplified by blog post highlighted by Carpenter. Congratulations, you are a typical Democrat. |
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"Iowa corn-fed beef"
A old sow like yourself should know that Iowa is famous for its hogs, not beef. |
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"You know nothing about such dignity or tolerance, you imbecile."
I admit that this example of lack of self-awareness made me LOL. |
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[Conservative: Small Government:minimal intervention in our lives]
I'm truly amazed you can say this with a straight face after the last 20 years. |
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I'm sure that the Bush Administration people didn't take the 'O' keys from the keyboards as the Clintonista's did. Nor steal have of the White House property. By the words that are now the 'Offical White House.Gov' words, they (Dem's and Liberals) want us Conservatives to unclenched our fist so they can sucker-punch us. Which they just did by their very own words.."white can do what's right", "President Obama will keep the broken promises..." If this is how the Dems/Left/Liberals want to start it off...paraphrasing 'W'.. 'bring it on!!' |
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Pick up the wooden spoons. Beat on the plastic drum. Pick some lettuce. Clean the buildings that you built. Make "the music" with boom box and voice. Put your ancestors on your tongue. All that shite.
You know, be as much of a blithering idiot as that "poet".
And as for that bozo Lowery: Arsenio Hall played a better "reverend" than you.
"White must embrace the right."
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Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot. |
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Here you go:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/agenda/additional/
I also appreciate the irony of your "whole new world" comment, considering where you posted it. |
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Big Government making more jobs by spending more and a hopin' and a wishin' that most citizens can't cipher past the 4th grade. Government works programs with all hands in overalls with shovels buildin' roads and parks and bridges, paid for the dwindling few with real jobs and newly printed cash backed by "hope and change".
Conservative: Small Government:minimal intervention in our lives( even after a hurricane, or flood, or tornado...had one in Ft Worth in 2000...lost our 100,000 s.f. church and now have twice as much without the government: we worked hard and God helped us...anyone remember those days when most people in this country believed that?)
Liberal: BIG government taking care of the faithless and selfish cradle to grave. |
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......."grammie" knows a thing or two about being "thrown under the truck"! |
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In regards to Katrina and much else. Yes, sounds about right. |
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You are the ones with sour grapes. I said it before- You leftists are your own favorite victims. This wreaks of partisan bs. Katrina was a natural disaster to be taken care of by the state and local governments, not the feds. The S/L governments are to blame for not being prepared, you twit.
And, of course it wouldn't bother you for the new administration to place more blame on Bush. You are sore losers and now worse, sore winners. STFU, Monkey Girl. |
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Obama is now the president and from today on what ever happens is on HIS watch and is on HIS head.I cant wait to see what he does to control the idiots who control both houses, by that im talking about POLOSI and REED, they are his biggest problem and have to be controlled or he will suffer for their actions, as it should be since bush has to suffer for congress actions.I just hope hes up to it or those crazies will make the honeymoon a very short one for obama.We can have progress or we can fail really fast, its up to obama which it is, but reed and polosi will destroy this nation given the chance to. I can only hope that the last two years of those two has shown their states the error of their choice and that both their days are numbered, for the sake of this nation. |
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Thanks for mentioning Iowa. Yup we had severe flooding and guess what? The dems in control promised us FEMA money. Guess what else? They lied, we never got a dime for all of the crops that were ruined and the homes that were destroyed.
But as Iowans always do, we rebuilt ourselves with good old community teamwork.
Can't say the same for the lazies in New Orleans. They had to have the Hispanics come in and rebuild because the "natives" were just too dang lazy to be bothered with anything but looting what was left behind. |
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will ever accuse Barak Obama of having any class. Typical Democrat. |
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I have listened to the liars on the left spin everything over the last 8 years. You Dems screwed up in LA over Katrina. Otherwise, we would be doing the same thing for IA when they had their huge flooding. And we are not. But you will not hold Nagin and Blanco responsible, but it is obvious that the people of LA at least held Blanco responsible. Actions have consequences in elections.
Now scroll forward to the page of "The Uniter". First, he must have done this on one of the few days he actually earned his pay in the Senate; he has been campaigning and collecting a salary for two years.
Now for bashing, you want to have as Sec Treas Geithner, a guy who is either an incompetent boob or a thief for a piddling amount of $ based on his actions with his tax forms. And you want to trust him with over a trillion dollars of TARP and bailout? No wonder you want marijuana legalized; you are smoking it now!!!!! |
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...your reconciling bipartisanship is greatly appreciated (sarcasm intended). Come on as expected and deny, obfuscate, rationalize away your messiah's words. Then, when that fails just fall back on your ever present BDS and just plain ole hate speech. You have become such predictable cultists. Geez, you can't even enjoy your moment of triumph without showing off your contempt and hatred. |
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Every time I write a comment I have to go back and delete it. This is the saddest day of my life. |
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Are you for real?
Did Bush screw you over when he kept this country safe after 9/11? How about when he lowered everybodies taxes? Remember the tax rebates for all Americans?
We'll all admit Bush wasn't perfect, but he did do many good things. Will you admit when Obama makes any mistakes?
Then again, you probably don't give a damn. |
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You must have searched like crazy the minute the new pages went up to find that. I haven't been able to find it yet.
HOWEVER, I find it fascinating that the top page of the new whitehouse.gov, first column, IS A BLOG. It's a whole new world.
I understand the Hewitt is learning to use the twitter. |
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The campaign is over. He's placed his hand on the Bible and been sworn in as President. Now he must lead. Unfortunately for all of us, we have no idea if he'll be able to. He's never been a leader before. |
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...Here come the power-hungry thugs now. So much for reconliatory overtures - tear down the opposition. So much for bipartisanship - attack, attack, attack the opposition.
Wait until this regime unleashes the full coercive powers of the nation against the political opposition. sycophantic lefty dems are drooling in anticipation. |
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