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Huckabee increased spending by $4.61 billion. That is an increase of 65.3%, or 7.4% annually. This is three times the rate of inflation. The rate far exceeded the growth of personal income and economic growth in the state.
Huckabee's spending outpaced revenues by 1.4 billion and he supported sales taxes, gas taxes, grocery taxes, even nursing home bed taxes and more.
Listen to what what the police report said about Wayne Dumond the rapist Huckabee wrote a letter to that he desired him to be set free:
WAYNE stated that he went upstairs to the bedroom, and that the woman was asleep when he went into the room. WAYNE stated that the woman woke up, and he held a knife on her while he committed the rape, and that the woman's baby was in the bed with her.
Now, Huckabee "desired" for this guy to be set free? I think this alone disqualifies him to be President. This guy got out and killed 2 women. Huckabee handed out 1033 pardons and commutations. This is crazy!!
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here he is pandering to left leaning moderates. The problem is that the people who are supporting Huck don't seem to grasp what that means Huck will do. He will govern as a dem, and do EXACTLY to this country what Carter did to it.
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He increased spending from 6 to 16 billion.
He increased the tax burden in Arkansas to 47%.
He supports scholarships for illegal immigrants.
He speaks class warfare like John Edwards.
He gave out 1033 pardons and commutations including 12 murderers.
He talks about "reaching out" just like a liberal when it comes to foreign policy. What's more important Huckabee? Keeping America safe or pleasing the rest of the world.
He supported lifting the embargo on Cuba.
The guy is a disaster and his record is HORRID!!
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I would encourage everyone to go to this site and actually READ the article for yourself. Don't allow your opinions to be influenced by Romney/Rudy leaning Republicans. Actually read what Huckabee says...and decide for yourself. I can almost bet that HH has yet to read the article himself....
Huckabee essentially proposes five things in the article:
1) Move away from a "bunker mentality" with the rest of the world. Instead of making people hate us, we need to reach out and get countries to help us. Huckabee essentially says that we can't win the War on Terror if we don't have any friends.
2) Eliminate Islamist terrorists. Huckabee is very strong on this point and writes very clearly that as President, he will seek to elimnate Islamist terrorist groups WHILE educating the American people about Islamic jihadism (something Huckabee claims Bush has failed to do).
3) Stabilize and win in Iraq. Huckabee says we must win in Iraq and that will be his goal.
4) Contain Iran. Huckabee says he too will NOT take the military option off the table when it comes to Iran. But he also says that he will put other options on the table so that military action will not be the only option. Huckabee has some good ideas about how to contain Iran...
5) Tougher stances towards Pakistan. Essentially, Huckabee advocates tough love for Pakistan.
I think the article is a very strong article and one that will have appeal to both Republicans and also many moderates as well. Go read it....
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Comparing Huckabee to Dean is very funny. Huckabee wants to win in Iraq...Dean doesn't.
Get a clue Hugh...and stop reading the Romney talking points. |
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Has VDH endorsed Mitt? If not, why not? |
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And of course, watch the new Hugh Holiday Classic.
http://www.jibjab.com/sendables/view/HgV6kQxQgSuRTIP7lIZpda ym
As for Huckabee, everyone needs to take a collective breath. It is not about Mike, it is because most Republicans are not committed. Some in Iowa do not want to go with Mitt, Rudy, John McCain or Fred, so they are going to Huckabee because he seems ok. Stop treating the voters like idiots and they will eventually read some of the things Huckabee has said and realize we tried another southern governor with a religious background who didn't turn out to well.
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Yes, Bush has kept us safe. However, his "bunker mentality" with the rest of the world has made many enemies. What Huckabee is saying is simply this: He will keep us safe WHILE seeking to get more countries to support us instead of hating us.
Reagan didn't operate with a bunker mentality...and neither should the next President. |
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We are trusting the voters...that is why Huckabee CONTINUES to surge!
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We all get the rhetoric. What we look at is how he governed as the governor of Ark. The guy is a TOTAL Carter type liberal. He governs out of the bible and from his Christian beliefs. Well, the Islamo-fascists have about as much respect for Christian beliefs as Huck does for Mormon beliefs. Nothing a Mormon can say to Huck that will get him to respect their beliefs as valid.
The Islamo-fascists will disregard ALL of Hucks Christian values and use him for their own ends. Christian values only work on those who are open to Christian values. Huck is so stupid he thinks otherwise. Just like Carter gave us the next level of terrorism in the hostage crisis, Huck will give us the next level of attack that will be worse than 9/11. |
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Why are you talking about Mormonism on a thread about foreign policy? Who do you support? I want everyone to notice who is seeking to bring religion into the discussion. It is not a Huckabee supporter...
btw, your whole argument is wrong. So...the Islamo-fascists will disregard Huckabee because he is a Christian...but not Romney? Doesn't Romney claim to be a Christian too?
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This guy is no Howard Dean. You are very wrong. I think for the Social Conservatives he is the real deal. The Elite tend to forget that allot of SoCon are poor and vote with the GOP because of moral values. Huck with a little populist message resonates.
Mr. Hewitt you say that Huck does not have the experience . Huck was a governor 3 times as long as Mitt. |
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Let us all look at what Romney has said in the past in relation to foreign policy:
1) Earlier this year, Romney called for setting a time table in Iraq...didn't he Hugh? Huckabee has NEVER called for setting time a time table. (On this, Romney was sounding like Howard Dean)
2) Romney called for an exit plan from Iraq...just like Howard Dean
3) Romney also claimed the surge was not working, just like Howard Dean.
People....go back and research what Romney has said. The guy is a classic flip flopper.
As Huckabee has just said:
"I am disappointed by Governor Romney’s attempt to label me as a ‘Democrat’ because of my tough approach to foreign policy. Perhaps he should read the article in its entirety before making such ill-informed comments.” |
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Bush has an approval of 75% amongst Republicans(NY Times/CBS poll last week). Huckabee (and everyone else) could only dream of this kind of suport among the GOP base.
You are obviously on crack if you think "Huck's criticism of Bush makes him more popular and more electable."
Maybe in the Dem primary. |
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Mitt cuddled up with Planned Parenthood in MA and taxpayer funded abortions were made available for $50 during his time as governor.
He's a lying hound.
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Yes, most Republicans like Bush. But I would hope that most Republicans can also see the mistakes that Bush has made.
Huckabee wants to be just as firm in his policy against terrorism as Bush...he just wants to do it with more people supporting us. |
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What's wrong with Huckabee's statement is he doesn't know what goes on through back channels in dealing with these countries.
This is very idiotic on Huckabee's part.
Were dealing with a mad man who thinks he's in power to bring about the return of the Mahdi.
Huckabee is the G.O.P. Jimmy Carter. Huckabee is like Obama who thinks he can reason with a mad man.
This guy doesn't care about Iran only bringing about a religious messiah from the Islamic religion.
You don't reason with a nut like that, you isolate him. Huckabee doesn't understand this because he's worried about how we look to the rest of the world. |
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TS, don't forget this strategic thinking:
If he were president, he was asked, would he get Congress's authorization to take military action against Iran's nuclear facilities?
"You sit down with your attorneys," said Romney, explaining his decision-making process in a time of potential crisis.
If your read VDH' Carnage and Culture, you will find will not many wars were won with this style of thinking. |
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1033 pardons and commutations including 12 murderers.
Here's what one of Dyumond's victims said:
Standing there yielding a butcher knife above his head, was the shadow of a man. I asked "Who is it?" and he immediately burst on to my side of the bed, put his hands over my mouth and stuck the knife in my throat, whispering, "Don't say a word or I'll cut your goddamned throat." I froze and adhered to his request.
This is the guy that Huckabe "desired" to be set free? A blind man could see he would kill again. |
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Richelieu from Weekly Standard:
The good news here is for John McCain, the other candidate sharing Rudy's security-and-toughness space. McCain is rising in New Hampshire polls, and savvy on the ground observers there tell me McCain's campaign is catching fire.
Plus he has the new Romney spin line:
The "Romney loses Iowa and he's toast" spin is also wrong. Romney has the dough to stay in for a while, and if he and Huckabee are the top two finishers in both IA and NH, the race could boil down to a two-way contest between Huckabee and Romney that Mitt would have a good chance to win as January rolls on.'
Remember the days when the 'folks' were told Mitt was going to win in Iowa? Why is Hugh posting non stop attacks on Huck?
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Huckabee might be able to win the Dhimmicratic primary---but not the GOP primary !
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You asked the Romney supporters why all the fear about Huck?
Simple...they know Huckabee can beat Romney. When it was Romney v/s Rudy...their liked their chances. After all, Rudy is pro-choice and has a lot of bad things in his past. If ever became Romney/McCain...they liked their chances too. After all, isn't McCain a liberal.
However, Huckabee scares them. Unlike a race against Rudy and McCain, Romney can't get the Christian right. That goes to Huckabee. Romney can't get the moderates either...that goes to Huckabee. Thus, they are left with a very little segment of the Republican Party.
Huckabee has Romney's #...and that is why the HH followers are afraid of Huckabee! |
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Yes, why all the attacks on Huck? Hugh has maintained all along its a two man race between Mitt and Rudy, so why pay any attention to Huck? He is a non factor. |
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TS,
If you read the article I linked above, you'll note that the host who praised Huck's speech at the foreign affairs conference was a nenber if Clinton's national security council ....
Let's be realistic, please.
(quote) "In November, he told a producer for Pat Robertson's Christian Broadcasting Network that his religious background made him most qualified to lead the war on terror."
"In fact I think I'm stronger than most people because I truly understand the nature of the war that we are in with Islamofascism. These are people that want to kill us. It's a theocratic war. And I don't know if anybody fully understands that. I'm the only guy on that stage with a theology degree." (end quote)
Reality check: Mike Huckabee does not HAVE a theology degree.
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Remember Howard Dean.
He was up in the Iowa polls 2 weeks out.
He just got the rolling stone cover.
Everyone said he would win and he came in third.
I think Huckabee will come in 3rd and Romney will be first and Thompson second.
Iowa usually makes there decisions the last minute and it's based on electability.
Everone from Hannity to O'Reilly is questioning Huck's electability. I'm convinced Romney will win Iowa and roll to the nomination just like Kerry did when he won.
There will be a clear winner in Iowa and these polls are meaningless. Anyone who watched politics knows that Iowa Caucus is hard to poll. |
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Of course, Mitt flipflopped on ever bringing up timetables again once called out on it by Duncan Hunter:
[quote]"Romney is absolutely wrong in recommending a secret timetable," Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., tells ABC News in a telephone interview while campaigning in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. "Secret timetables are bad because in the end they all become public and the enemy uses them to estimate the limit on America’s endurance."Hunter, who is a Vietnam veteran and a former chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, thinks the U.S. can achieve a "successful exit" from Iraq if it accelerates the on-going rotation of Iraqi battalions currently stationed in peaceful parts of Iraq into Baghdad and other contentious zones."The key to a successful American exit from Iraq," said Hunter, "is the stand-up and deployment of the Iraqi military."[/quote]
This has been Huck's consistent position; unfortunately, Drudge is not in his backpocket. |
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(Cont'd from preceding post, Mitt's Hypocrisy)
Of course, Mitt flipflopped on the foolishness of timetables (as his million $ consultants told him to) once being called out on that by wiser heads:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/04/romney_abso lute.html
April 03, 2007 4:10 PM
ABC News' Teddy Davis Reports: Mitt Romney's morning show embrace of private "timetables" for U.S. involvement in Iraq has drawn fire from a rival for the Republican presidential nomination.
"Romney is absolutely wrong in recommending a secret timetable," Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., tells ABC News in a telephone interview while campaigning in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. "Secret timetables are bad because in the end they all become public and the enemy uses them to estimate the limit on America’s endurance."...
Huckabee would never have been so foolish as to suggest timetables for Iraq withdrawal etc., and hasn't had to flip on his foreign policy views; but unfortunately Drudge and the establishment-conservatives are not in his hip pocket. |
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You really are in the land of Oz if you think Romney is going to win in Iowa.
Your comparison to Dean doesn't work. Here is why. Dean was always leading Iowa...and Kerry was the SURGE candidate that year. Kerry went on to win Iowa.
Romney has been leading in Iowa...but now, Huckabee is the SURGE candidate in Iowa. Just like Kerry did the last few weeks before Iowa in 04, Huckabee is surging while Romney is falling back.
Huckabee hasn't had a lead in Iowa until recently, unlike Dean in 04. Huckabee is surging in Iowa because the voters in Iowa are starting to pay attention...just like voters around the nation. The more the voters tune it...the more Huckabee surges. Why can't you see this?
Huckabee will easily win Iowa...and then finish no lower then third in NH. He will then win Michigan and South Carolina. |
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Huckabee is trying sound (Norris and the Wrasler) tough on terror at the same time he is critical of the Bush War effort. He is trying the same schizophrenic approach to foreign policy that Obama got ridiculed for. He has not long run vision for the Middle East.
Huck is trying to pick up voting niches. He is in full tactical mode without regard to a long run strategy other than grabbing ever vote he can in the very short run.
He is trying to sound tough (great fake) at the same time he is trying to get votes from those who are frustrated with Iraq. He is trying to get votes from Rudy and McCain since they are not putting much effort into IA at the same time he is trying to capitalize on Iraq frustration (Ron Paul).
Huckabee is Obama on foreign policy and Edwards on fiscal policy. He is however, a retired preacher who slept at a Holiday Inn. That makes him an expert in both areas (LOL). |
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Some of those polling numbers were parsed earlier today (either here or on another site).
Fueled by MSM headlines and the DNC spin machine, those numbers reflect a segmented far right block of potential voters -- part of the Southern Baptist coalition that is controlled by Huck's fellow-ministers. (Huck's new campaign mgr. got in trouble for "greasing the palm" of ministers in NJ, if you recall ....)
The same surge phenomenon has begun for dems as the Obama coalition is now challenging Her Thighness.
Just sayin' ....
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Why are average Republican voters flocking to Huckabee. Because of comments like these from Romney supporters:
"He is however, a retired preacher who slept at a Holiday Inn"....said by BG
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"Huckabee essentially proposes five things in the article:"
Nice attempt at summarizing the article; unfortunately you left out all the nutty details.
This guy talks like a liberal, pure and simple. There's a reason the Democrats love Huckabee - he sounds like them, he thinks like them, and they know they would bulldoze him in the general election.
Huckabee is a collection of feel-good one-liners with *zero* substance behind them. He'd be a disaster for the GOP, and more importantly, a disaster for the country. I'm not voting for a Pastor in Chief, I'm not voting for a Comedian in Chief, I'm voting for a Commander in Chief. And Huckabee in not way, shape, or form fits that bill.
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Unfortunately for you, the "Holiday Inn Express" line came directly from your candidate himself.
Yes, *really* reassuring when you realize he was talking about foreign policy.
Hey, when you have nothing substantive to say, crack a joke! Apparently it works for the Iowans. |
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If ever there was a government agency that needed to be reorganized it is the intelligence organizations that feed miss information to the press and the President.
Nothing could make this country safer than to put someone competent like Romney over the intelligence community and demand accountability and effectiveness.
The CIA has no credibility. In 2005 they were flashing the panic button. Less than 2 years later they claim all is well, just in time for Christmas.
If you are the President or anyone else, how can you run foreign policy when the CIA is a weather vane.
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As far as Iowa goes, Show me. I recognize Huckabee may win Iowa (and is ahead now), but he may not win too. He has to really shine over the next couple of weeks to do it. He can go down just as fast as he rose. I respect the marital arts skills of Chuck Norris, but he alone cannot deliver Iowa to Mike.
I recognize that Hugh has his own agenda and is not the most objective guy out there. If Huck were Ronald Reagan himself, Hugh would hate him for not being Mitt Romney.
But when you are front runner, you get grilled. It is part of the process. Elite or populist, it does not matter.
Mike Huckabee is now in the spot light. Now maybe this is just a bunch of BS thrown up by Hugh, Lowry, VDH, the MSM, etc., but if Huckabee is going to close this deal he has to deal with that type of scrutiny and attacks. |
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Does that help you sleep better at night?
Blaming Huckabee's surge on the MSM and the Democratic Party? How funny.
The reason Huckabee is surging is because most Republicans don't like Mr. Flip-flopping Romney and pro-choice Rudy. They see in Huckabee a new direction, for both our party and the nation.
Huckabee is for real. |
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And he is dealing with it. Huckabee has now been under attack for almost two weeks. Yet, he is STILL surging. The guy is leading in IL for goodness sakes.
The more he is attacked, the more his numbers go up. Can you not see this? |
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LOL
BG was QUOTING the Huckster from his Imus interview last week.
"Huckabee's ignorance of the news of the day, which not only dominated the Democrats' debate here in town but also prompted a presidential press conference in response, came as Huckabee faced questioning about his foreign policy credentials on Don Imus's new show. Huckabee joked that he's 'not an expert... but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.'"
Google it.
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American voters are smart and they know what they want this year. They want a candidate who represents change and is authentic. They get both with Huckabee. They get neither with Romney.
Hence the reason he is dropping in the polls. Comments like the above don't help. It just seems like sour grapes.... |
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Nominating Huckabee would reduce the GOP to a mere rubble of formerly proud conservatives wondering what the heck happened. I for one would never support Huckabee, he's a pandering want-a-bee. Huckabee would turn out to be the GOP's version of Jimma Carter, of whom one such was more than enough to have harmed this country.
On the other hand, if Huckabee is the nominee and his opponent is Hillary, it would be like 1972's choices all over again; Huckabee is not truly the anti-Hillary and certainly not a person I would support, nor I would support Hillary either!
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Mike Huckabee: 1,000 commutations and pardons as governor of Arkansas
Mitt Romney: 0 commutations and pardons as governor of Massachusetts
ONE. THOUSAND. Looks like Mike Huckabee not only is the favorite candidate for the liberal Democrats, but for convicted criminals as well!
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YWFjYjFmOWMwYThjYzcwM2 FiYmE5MDcyMmM4NzlkMGQ=&w=MA==
When are people actually going to start looking at this guy's *record* rather than his witty jokes and pulpit-style populism? |
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I know he was.
That wasn't the point. The point was that the comment sounds like SOUR GRAPES coming from a Romney supporter. Just like Romney supporters comparing Huckabee to Howard Dean...when it was Romney who wanted to set a timetable in Iraq.
It is the tone of the message...NOT THE WORDS! Romney and his supporters are desperate...and thus they are looking foolish. |
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Why has the DNC sent out 99 negative press releases on Romney and 4 on Huckabee?
Why does Bob Shrum, Carville, Begala, Peter Fenn and every liberal on TV love Huckabee?
In a change election, Huckabee is poison. He's everything that liberal paint conservatives to be.
Nobody outside of Huckabee and maybe David Duke wanted to isolate AIDS patients in 1992.
This guy is pure acid in a general election.
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TS Missouri wrote;
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Yep, we certainly do fear Huckabee---we fear that Huckabee would be a disaster if he were the GOP nominee. |
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LOL TS --
I sleep very well, especially knowing that I base my assessments on fact, not fantasy.
Seriously.
Aligning the moderate conservative block with Huckabee is a statistical reach. I'm not doubting Huck has a support base, but it's concentrated among the religous right conservative block. Nothing wrong with that, btw. It's just the basis for his current surge.
... and speaking of sleep --- nighters all.
See you after Mitt's interview tomorrow!!
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While there have been plenty of commenters on this board with an obvious dislike for Mitt Romney (and plenty who support him), I've seen only a handful (if that) who *truly* support Mike Huckabee (with TS_Missouri being his #1 cheerleader). And comments on other conservative blogs are *far* less kind to Huckabee than I see here. Some prominent conservative bloggers have gone so far as to say they would vote for *Hillary* if Huckabee ended up with the GOP nomination. Wow, talk about considering the nuclear option.
So where in the world are these polling numbers coming from, and who are these people who are actually planning to vote for this incompetent poseur?
The GOP has lost its collective mind.
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He gave out pardons and commutations like Candy.
Why did Huckabee "DESIRE" for this guy Dumond to be released?
This is from the police report:
WAYNE stated that he went upstairs to the bedroom, and that the woman was asleep when he went into the room. WAYNE stated that the woman woke up, and he held a knife on her while he committed the rape, and that the woman's baby was in the bed with her.
WHAT???
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Oz...go back and see what they were saying about Reagan in 1980.
"This guy is pure acid in a general election."...sounds like 1980 all over again.
Maybe that is why Ed Rollins says Huckabee reminds him a lot of Reagan, huh? |
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Huckabee's support is coming from the base of the Republican Party...essentially, the silent majority of the Republican Party. The elites are not supporting Huckabee...that is for sure. But the common average American is.
And if you want to win in 08, you want the support of those who are supporting Huckabee. Romney will lead the GOP to defeat in 08! No doubt about it.
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He actually helped Clinton get elected when he helped Perot.
Huckabee can talk but Reagan was more than a communicator TS, he was a conservative and Huckabee is not.
Huckabee is a liberal when it comes to economics and Foreign Policy. |
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If Mitt's Money buys the primaries,conservatives will realize that a Romney, Reid, Palosi leadership team would be worse than a Hillary, Reid, Palosi leadership team and stay home. At least with Hillary, conservatives can kick her out after 4 years by nominating a true conservative but with Romney it would be 8 years of shifting values that will be blamed on a democratic congress (with Reids assistance) giving him the opportunity to implement a liberal agenda without any accountability for his decisions as president.....isn't this Mitt's MO in MA (it wan't me, it was the supreme court) and when americans play the video on abortion, his defense becomes (but am a changed man now). Don't worry americans Romney will become a changed man after 8 years of implementing all the liberal agenda he wants! - funny how these "sincere changes" happen. |
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He says he's a Main Street Republican, not a Wall Street Republican. WHAT!!!
Does Huckabee know that the businesses he wants to pit workers against create wealth in this country? This is why we live in a 13+ trillion economy.
Does he realizes that computers his staff works on and the blackberry's they communicate with our from the greedy Wall Street businesses he talks about?
He talks like John Edwards. NEWSFLAH Huckabee it's big government not Wall Street and C.E.O. pay that's hurting the economy.
Huckabee loves big government so of course he plays class warfare. |
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"3) Stabilize and win in Iraq. Huckabee says we must win in Iraq and that will be his goal."
Yippe, he has a goal. Well I suppose it's better than having the goal of LOSING in Iraq. But does he have the spine to do the hard work necessary or will he cut and run? Show me ONE just ONE example of Governor Huckabee facing down heavy opposition and doing something that needed to be done rather than doing some that polled well. His entire administration was one example after another of caving to democratic opposition. You honestly think there's ANYTHING in his background to indicate that wouldn't cut and run when the going got tough?
You can tell a lot of Huckabee's character from his speech on all the taxes he would raise as governor of Arkansas. Putting aside the issue of a Republican candidate advocating tax increases, the salient point from that video clip is the image of a man who is so LACKING in leadership skills, he is essentially abdicating his position as governor and telling the legislature to make the decision for him. Boiled down to the essence he's saying: "Hey, whatever taxes you want to raise is fine with me. Just make the decision and I'll sign it." That gives you a taste of how he would respond to a hostile democrat house and senate. |
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Thanks, I was looking for names for Huck. That fits nicely. Huckaboo is all I came up with. |
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Once again, go read the article. He explains exactly how he would win in Iraq.
He isn't Romney...who advocated getting out of Iraq when everyone else was. Romney was the one who didn't have the spine to do the hard work necessary...he wanted to cut and run.
Huckabee has been for the surge...says the surge is working..and wants to finish the deal. He isn't flip-flopping like Romney.
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Religion and religion alone.
If Romney was an ex governor from SC with and an Evangelical he would be the nominee easy with his record in business and government.
Some people just don't want to vote for a Mormon.
When you listen to Huckabee supporters, they never mention any specifics about Huckabee just general things. It's because his record is very liberal.
They say he's a good speaker but so is Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton that doesn't mean they should be President.
Huckabee played the religion card like Dick Morris has been suggesting and it has helped him.
When you have a guy who speaks about greedy Wall Street and who has a record as a tax and spend Governor leading the pack there has to be a reason more than he speaks well.
It's that Romney is a Mormon and the G.O.P. has a very vocal bigoted base. That's just the truth. If a black or Hispanic person was a front-runner in the G.O.P. the race card would be played just like Huckabee played the religion card.
Dick Morris said months ago that the way to go after Romney is his Mormon faith. Huckabee was just the only candidate who stooped low enough to accept this advice.
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Once again, you are wrong.
I have been a supporter of Mike Huckabee ever since he got into the race. You show how little you know about those who are supporting Huckabee. It just isn't religion.
The people bringing up religion are the Romney supporters. For some reason, Romney supporters are OBSESSED with religion. They want to claim Romney's fall is a product of the bsae of the Republican party being a bunch of bigots. (Yeah, that helps Romney will the base...call them bigots!)
Huckabee has support because of his MESSAGE and his AGENDA. Which you can read at http://www.mikehuckabee.com . Sure, some support him because of his religion...just like most Mormons support Romney because of his. But I guess that is ok, right? |
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He increased spending from 6 to 16 billion.
He increased the tax burden in Arkansas to 47%.
He supports scholarships for illegal immigrants.
He speaks class warfare like John Edwards.
He gave out 1033 pardons and commutations including 12 murderers.
He talks about "reaching out" just like a liberal when it comes to foreign policy. What's more important Huckabee? Keeping America safe or pleasing the rest of the world.
He supported lifting the embargo on Cuba.
Huckabee's spending outpaced revenues by 1.4 billion and he supported sales taxes, gas taxes, grocery taxes, even nursing home bed taxes and more.
Where is it?
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I was calling for Rudy on this website a few weeks ago becasue I thought he was the only one who could beat Hillary, and I KNEW Mitt couldn't do it. But now I 've given this some more thought. Huck is a pygmy. Nobosy seriously believes he could be President, do they? Mitt is a slightly taller pygmy. In times like these, we need a GREAT MAN. A Lincoln, or FDR. Forget side issues like illegal immigration! Most of us as conservatives would disagree with FDR on 90% of what he did as President, but in the most important issue of his time, he got it right, and that alone makes him one of the greatest presidents ever.
Amid all of these losers, there is one GREAT MAN. Forget the fact that you have disagreed with him in the past. He is our Churchill, the only one of these guys who is a grownup.
Vote for McCain! |
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McCain-Feingold is a disaster!!
McCain-Kennedy amnesty is the first thing McCain will push for if he gets into office.
No Way! |
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Stop repeating the Romney talking points.
Everything you just said is spin...pure and simple. You ignore the larger context.
Republicans aren't dumb Oz...and that is why Huckabee is surging and flip-flop Romney is falling. |
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Too often, we have allowed Democrats to run as Republicans (Guiliani, Bloomberg, Huckabee). Democrats attain political office, Republicans lose credibility.
While everyone had their heads down in prayer, this man managed to slither through the cracks. This has to stop. |
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Oz said:
"He talks about "reaching out" just like a liberal when it comes to foreign policy. What's more important Huckabee? Keeping America safe or pleasing the rest of the world."
I would say what is important is keeping America safe WHILE we make sure our friends support us. Without support from other nations, you can't keep American safe...you do realize this don't you Oz?
Keeping America safe is more than just dropping bombs on people and walking around with a big stick. It also includes diplomacy...and convincing other nations that it is in their self-interest to work with us.
Huckabee wants to do just this. That isn't liberal. That is common-sense conservatism. |
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I wouldn't be against a McCain nomination. In fact he is my second choice.
And I think he has an outside chance, if he wins NH. Huckabee will win Iowa and South Carolina. McCain has a chance if he can win NH and then follow that up with a win in Michigan. If he can do that...the nomination will come down to McCain and Huckabee...and McCain could win on his experience.
If McCain was to get the nomination...a McCain/Huckabee ticket wouldn't look that bad. That ticket would get all the Christian conservatives and it would bring in tons of moderates. |
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Context.
That's because supporting Huckabee is irrational especially for a Conservative.
The only reason why people support Huckabee is because of religion and that's why they need a "larger context."
His record is HORRID!! The Cato institute gave him an F because his economic policies were so bad. |
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Giuliani is not a Democrat. He is a social moderate and moderate on immigration (the same as Romney), but the rest of his views are rock solid conservative.
And Harry Oz, whether you like it or not, McCain's voting record is more solidly conservative overall than Mitt Romney's. McCain's big failures with the base have been campaign finance reform and immigration. |
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In war you may have to do things that even your friends don't like in order to protect the country.
What Huckabee will essentially do is give other countries a veto over American foreign policy because he doesn't want to offend them.
Huckabee is the G.O.P. Jimmy Carter.
Is Huckabee suggesting that we don't have friends now?
Who will Huckabee try to get on our side that's not their now?
What will he do to get them on our side?
These are the specifics you don't here from Huckabee.
How will Huckabee contain Iran and stop them from getting nuclear weapons?
Is Huckabee okay with a Nuclear Iran?
Will Huckabee and his supporters please stop speaking in general terms because their candidate has no substance. |
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McCain is for Amnesty and he thought people would overlook it and say look at the maverick.
When that didn't happen he took his name off of the McCain - Kennedy amnesty bill.
McCain will go down to the border himself with a welcome sign. |
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Seventy-three percent (73%)of Republicans believe the U.S. and its allies are winning the War on Terror.
47 % of Americans now say the U.S. and its allies are winning the War on Terror...the highest level of confidence measured since December 2005. Over the past 35 months, confidence in the War on Terror has been higher than today only twice, in November and December 2005.
Huck's attack on Bush may backfire on him big time.
Huck really knows more about Holiday Inns than he does about Foreign Policy. However, he can create a great sound bite for a news cycle.
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Oz...when you said that Huckabee would give other countries a veto over American foreign policy...you just said something that Huckabee has never said. Huckabee has always said that our interest comes first. BUT...he also says that we must work with others to accomplish our interest. We can't be a bully Oz...that doesn't help us. If we attempt to dominate other countries, they will hate us. And that does not help our foreign policy.
Huckabee is also not suggesting we don't have friends now. But what he is suggesting is as Presidents, we will have MORE friends and MORE support then we currently do because his style of diplomacy will be different than that of Bush's.
And it isn't about "getting people on our side". It is about the presentation...how we present ourselves to others. Like I said, if we are demanding and dominating...it doesn't help our case.
As for your questions about Iran...GO READ THE ARTICLE. He states exactly how he would contain Iran...talks about nukes and Iran...etc. Stop acting like he hasn't talked about all of that...when he has. You just aren't reading what he is saying.
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TS writes: "what more do you want?"
I want a Huckabee supporter to convince me that Huckabee is not soft. Give me one example from his days as Arkansas governor when he faced down the opposition. Having goals is not the same thing as accomplishing goals. All of Washington had goals at the start of the Iraq war, but only Bush and a few others had the nads to stick to the task. I simply don't see that quality in Huckabee. Convince me that I'm wrong.
Oh, let me also add that the "bunker mentality" crack is a load of horse dung. It's a Dem talking point that is echoed by people ignorant of foreign policy - or who stayed in a Holiday Inn Express in leue of foreign policy experience.
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Please...tell me...
1) Did you agree with Romney when he said we needed to set a time table for Iraq? Or do you agree with Huckabee that we need to win in Iraq?
2) Did you agree with Romney when he said he was against the surge? Or do you agree with Huckabee that the surge was the right thing to do?
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You want evidence that he isn't soft? How about this. The guy was elected TWICE as Governor of Arkansas in a heavy Democratic state. He was elected although his Democrat opponent both times attacked him and called him "too conservative" for Arkansas. You go down to Arkansas...run as a Republican for Governor twice...face the Clinton machine...and get elected twice...and see how soft you are!
Back when the surge wasn't popular...Huckabee was supporting it. Romney, on the other hand, was running and hiding. You call that being tough? You really think Mr. Flip-flop Romney would have stood tall like Bush did? Please.
Open you eyes BG. Romney was against the surge but now he supports it. Huckabee was ALWAYS for it. Doesn't that tell you something?? |
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why do I feel like the titanic is sinking and all the republicans are on the top deck swearing by the "inability for this ship to sink". I am so sad to be a republican..... |
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Give me some countries Huckabee will get on our side and tell me how he will do it.
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Was Huckabee just talking in general because his supporters don't require any substance? |
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Don't worry...it is just primary season.
Come August...all of us Republicans will be united in our desire to beat either Obama or Clinton. |
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Have you read the article?
It appears not..because if you had...you wouldn't have to ask that question. |
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It's funny to see all the phony conservative wannabes like Paul Weyrich, David Keene, Michael Novak, Robert Bork, and the editors of National Review running, panic stricken, to endorse the phony conservative Mitt Romney.
Honest to goodness tax-loving, regulation-craving, criminal-coddling, illegal-immigration-favoring, and ethics-violation-approving voters know who the real conservative in this race is. Mike Huckabee! |
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Why would the Democrats be against Huckabee when he increased the tax burden to 47%.
When he increased government 3x the rate of inflation.
When he gave out 1033 pardons and commutations.
When he spent 1.4 billion over revenue so he had to support every tax in the book.
When he was for lifting the embargo on Cuba.
When he was for illegal immigrants getting scholarships.
When he gets an F rating from the Cato Institute.
Why in the world would democrats in Arkansas be against Huckabee with a record like that? |
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"My administration will recognize that the United States' main fight today does not pit us against the world but pits the world against the terrorists. At the same time, my administration will never surrender any of our sovereigny..."
Yet, Oz says Huckabee wants to give other countries a veto over our foreign policy?
Once again, Oz...have you read the article? |
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The key questions are simple.
Do Huckabee's comments on the Middle East create a feeling of security in you?
Is he someone you want running American Foreign policy for 4 years? Do your trust his competence in this area?
Are you confident of his ability to deal with Iran, Pakistan, Russia, China, Korea?
Would the US be safer if Huck were President instead of Bush?
Is Huckabee's comments more like Obama's or more like Bush's, McCain's, Rudy's, Fred's or Romney's?
Is he more like the Democrats or the Mainstream of the Republican Party?
Is Huckabee trying to take votes from Ron Paul?
Why is Huckabee sounding like a Democrat when we are making progress in Iraq? |
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They were against him because everything you just quoted is taken OUT OF CONTEXT. You ignore the many taxes that Huckabee cut...you ignore the many death penalty cases he oversaw..you ignore the reasons for some of the aprdons and commutations...you ignore the context of his statement abotu Cuba...and you ignore his strict immigration policy that he currently has.
The Democrats in Arkansas tried real hard to defeat him twice. Called him everything from a "religious bigot" to a "lightweight". Funny, you Romney supporters sure sound a lot like those Democrats..... |
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Because neither does Huckabee.
Again, no substance just baloney about an "arrogent bunker mentality."
Who are we not reaching out to Huckabee? Iran, Syria? Maybe Huck and Obama will throw a party for them and they will change course just because they say so LOL!!
Huckabee = Jimmy Carter. |
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Iraq and Immigration are two key issues in the general election.
Huck is a Johnny come lately flipper (at best)on Immigration. He loses that issue for us.
Iraq is improving as an issue for us and Huck just joined the Dems and started shooting at us (the Reps).
McCain used to do that until he realized it killed his candidacy. |
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Our answer those questions:
1) Yes, more so than Romney's...who was for the surge, then against it, then for it, then against it, now for it. Romney is a Republican version of John Kerry.
2) Yes, because he has just as much experience as Bush did when he came into office in 2000. Remember...Bush didn't even know who the President of Pakistan was!
3) Yes. Why do you think Romney has more experience? He doesn't.
4) Well...I would say we will be just as safe, so yes. We wouldn't have a flip-flopper in the White House
5) His comments sound a lot like John McCain..indeed, almost alike.
6) He is more like the mainstream of the Republican Party. Now, he isn't Wall Street...like Romney.
7) No...Ron Paul is currently attacking him cause he disagrees with him. Remember, it was Huckabee who took Paul on in the debate.
8) He isn't. Huckabee was for the surge. He has always been for the surge. Romney was sounding like a Democrat a couple of months ago...was he not?
Anymore...or is that the best you got? |
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Once again, have you read the article? Simple yes or no will do. |
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Huckabee said he was for lifting the embargo on Cuba because it was good for his state.
Now he says he's not for lifting the embargo because it's not good for the country.
LOL!!
Huckabee, why would you advocate doing something that's bad for your country because you think it might help your state?
If it is bad for the country then it's bad for your state Huckabee unless Arkansas has seceded LOL. |
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How did Huckabee join the Democrats on Iraq? Please explain.
The bunker comment was about DIPLOMACY! On Iraq...Huckabee said this:
"As Presidet, I will not withdrawal US troops from Iraq any faster than General David Petraeus recommends. I will bring our troops home based on the conditions on the ground, not the calendar on the wall."
"Withdrawing from Iraq before the country is stable and secure would have serious strategic consequences for us and horrific humanitarian consequences for the Iraqis."
"Those who say that we do not owe the Iraqis anything more are ignoring what we owe our children and grandchildren in terms of security."
^^That is what Huckabee is saying about Iraq. Does that sound like a Democrat.
Here is what Romney said:
"I support a timetable"
"I am against the surge"
Who sounds like a Democrat? |
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Once again, have you read the article? Yes or no.
Or is your political intake limited to Romney's kool-aid?
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He's not Wall Street? That's silly class warfare.
He calls himself a Main street republican and not a Wall Street republican. Who creates wealth in this country?
Does He know anything about the free markets?
That ipod someone listens to or the computer they are typing on comes from those greedy Wall Street types that Huckabee talks about like John Edwards.
It's big government that hurts the worker not C.E.O. pay. The bigger the government the less take home pay. The smaller the government the more take home pay.
It seems Huckabee and his followers don't understand that. |
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If you really want to know about Huckabee's vision for the War on Terror....visit this link.
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When did Romney say he was against the surge. Give me the direct quote.
Huckabee said he will basically appease other nations.
TS or Huckabee has no idea which nations he will reach out to or how he will reach out to them.
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Is this....
1) It isn't class warfare. It is the truth. The elites are supporting Romney. The common man is supporting Huckabee.
2) Who creates wealth in this country? Average Americans do. If the average American doesn't buy the goods...no one gets rich.
3) He knows plenty about free markets..go to his website, read what he has to say about it. Once again, do some research Oz.
4) And Huckabee is for smaller government. Once again, read what he says. The difference is simple though. Huckabee is for a more EFFECTIVE smaller government... |
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Huckabee NEVER said he was going to appease other nations. NEVER. Those are you words...because you refuse to read his article.
Huckabee = Ronald Reagan
"People are always asking: 'Who's the next Ronald Reagan? Well, I was with the old Reagan. I can promise you that this man comes as close as I've ever seen," Ed Rollins said.
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It is telling, to see some Liberal posters on this thread, try to defend his nonsense.
Huckabee should be in the Democrat Party.
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He is a Democrat and a disaster....
and that is why he is leading the Republican field?? lol |
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I KNOW NOT WHY I MUCH ADMIRE THIS MAN, HUCLEBERRY. I VOTE NOT FOR BLUE BLOODED, IVY LEAGUED, HAIR COIFFED, MAN WHO NOT SPEAK FROM HEART. I WOULD WALK 100 KILOMETERS FOR A MAN WHO SPEAKS FOR HIMSELF. |
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1. Who is the common man and who is out to get him? That's liberal clap trap and class warfare.
2. Average Americans don't create wealth. Americans purchasing power is tied directly to the creation of things like the ipod or the computer. This gives us a 13 trillion dollar economy. It just makes me sick when liberals and people like Huckabee try to pit Wall Street against the worker. That's class warfare. If we didn't have buisness expanding our economy then this country would look like Cuba. Do you know how many jobs Bill Gates or Rupert Murdoch are responsible for? The democrats and Huckabee love to villify business to hide there love for big government. A 13 trillion dollar economy allows small business to flourish and our country to expand economically. To blame greedy Wall Street instead of greedy government is insane.
3. Huckabee knows nothing about free markets if he talks about greedy Wall Street like John Edwards.
4. Huckabee grew government. He went from 6 billion in spending to 16 billion and increased the tax burden by 47%. |
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1) It is not liberal clap trap. Ronald Reagan talked much about the common average America...as did Nixon. Were these liberals?
2) If there is no one to buy the ipod...no one gets rich off the ipod. The consumer and the business man all work together.
3) Huckabee knows much about the markets. You would know this if you actually read his position papers.
4) Huckabee also cut taxes and spending in Arkansas, a fact you ignore. The tax increase was mostly increases approved by the voters in Arkansas, i.e a road improvement tax that the voters of Arkansas voted for. |
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IF THIS ROMNEY MAN WOULD SELL OUT HIS PRO CHOICE CONSTITUENTS AND "EFFECTIVLY GOVERN" AS A PRO-LIFE ELECTED OFFICIAL , WHAT WILL HE DO TO HIS PRO TAX CUT OR PRO BORDER ENFORCEMENT VOTER NOW? |
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Of course the worker and business work together and that's why the class warfare of Huckabee and the liberals makes no sense.
It's okay to speak about the common or average man but when you pit them against greedy Wall Street and C.E.O. pay like liberals and Huckabee do it's silly clap trap.
This tells me that Huckabee does not understand free markets and how the economy works.
You don't know Huckabee's record. Huckabee increased spending and that's why the Cato Institute gave him an F.
Just because you cut taxes doesn't mean you can spend like crazy and this was Huckabee's downfall.
He spent so much it was 1.4 billion over the revenues that were coming in. This meant there was a shortfall and Huckabee had to try and raise every tax in sight to fill the gap.
This tells me Huckabee doesn't have a clue about the economy. |
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That's the ticket. You the Men. Uh-huh.
Having just treated myself to a quick read of this thread, I've seen the only solution:
TS & Peaky=P & VP.
Boys, you really need to go outdoors sometime. Yikes.
Hundred & some posts and maybe 3 mentions of the VDH critique. Huckster & Alan Keyes, that's the ticket. But, only as 'back-up' to the TS-Peaky candidacy. Yow-zaa. |
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Huckabee has taken the no tax pledge.
Supports the Fair Tax. With a pre-bate that helps all those with low incomes.
No more income tax returns!!!
As Arkansas Gov. - net sales tax went up one cent over ten years. Why, because over 80% of voters wanted improvements to roads, parks etc.
In my state and most others sadly, sales tax has gone up far more than that in 10yrs.
Oh yeah state budgets had to be balanced.
Remember those tough times after 911?
The avaerage state tax revenue increased 98% over the ten year period that Huckabee was Gov.
while Arkansas went up by only 47%.
$850 million- that's the surplus Huckabee left in Arkansas, which he said should be returned to the tax payers.
Romney over-saw Mass. going from the 5th most tax burdened state to the 4th most. That's the wrong direction.
You're better off taking a closer look at each candidate, then just listening to headlines meant to smear or distort.
Huckabee's did well for Arkansas, considering
9 out of every 10 legislators were democrats when Huckabee took office.
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out today for Juan McCain.Demoines Register and Boston Globe. This is very strange to me considering Mcain's been falling for months. I believe these are meant to boost McCain in NH so Romney will go 0-2 in the first two states.The big Huckasurge hasn't exactly caught on in NH where they don't have all the fundies,so the MSM backs McCain there.They love McCain's position on torture more than they hate his support of the war. Why would two big time liberal newspapers endorse a war hawk like McCain? To stop Romney,plain and simple. |
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It looks as though the SoCons and the EcCons in the Pubbie Party are about sick of each other.
The 30 year partnership is about to come to a close. |
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"Why are you talking about Mormonism on a thread about foreign policy? Who do you support? I want everyone to notice who is seeking to bring religion into the discussion. It is not a Huckabee supporter...
btw, your whole argument is wrong. So...the Islamo-fascists will disregard Huckabee because he is a Christian...but not Romney? Doesn't Romney claim to be a Christian too?"
Why religion? Uh, because Huck has interjected religion into this. Also, he will govern from his religion just like he did in Ark. 1000 clemencies etc? His insistence that Dumond had been "saved", and yet he murders again. Huck is a man who has poor judgment AND thinks his religious beliefs should supersede the courts of this land. Why religion you squeal? Because your guy has made it a FOCAL POINT OF HIS QUALIFICATIONS.
And that answer answers your second misguided comment about Mitt. Mitt isn't running as a religious leader. He will not govern from the bible. He did not in MA and he will not as president. He will put his personal beliefs aside, and just like he did in MA, he will let the courts decide the punishment for rapists. Mitt would only get involved to the extent it is in his power or responsibility as CinC and NOT as an ordained preacher of the faith.
So wise up. Yous misguided beliefs are dangerous for this country. We do not need a theocratic liberal while we are fighting Islamo-Fascists. And your guy Huck is running as a theocratic president who desires to run the country like a theocracy. |
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Hugh, Huck has a certain personna to maintain and he does it well. Not only does he play the lovable idiot, which resonates with real lovable idiots throughout the country, but he is also a smooth orator, which helps him with others. I don't think the guy is really that religious, if you look at yourself in the mirror is the image in the mirror actually you, or a mere visual representation of you? He strikes me as a John Goodman from "O Brother Where Art Thou" kind of theologian and his record pretty much confirms that. Religion provides comfort for the moral types and profit for the immoral types. He cares about morality and religion about as much as Sharpton cares about racism, they want them around because it is their meal ticket. |
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On Mitt's MTP appearance today.If you look at how Rudi was ripped by Russert last week,you have to expect more of the same today with Mitt.Hopefully there won't be any hairs out of place and a lot of drooling women will be watching lol.But seriously this is one of the reasons the Dems fear Mitt the most.Hillary needs the white surburban female vote to win and Mitt could make a huge dent in that. |
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I don't think The Huckster is at the level of cynicism as Lev says, but...close...maybe...
Certainly he's willing to go-wit-de-flo on what his Core Political Beliefs happen to be at any given moment. Reminds me of another Hope, Ark, boy in that way. Dissing the Prez with Dem talking points is beyond the friggin' pale.
He DOESN'T "Get" foreign affairs, much less the War Against Radical Jihad AT ALL. He's simply mouthing stuff the way Billy-Bub used to.(Does!)
Let's Review, shall we: Huckster CAN'T win the election against Bazama or Billary. He's a likable doofus. He doesn't espouse Republican beliefs. He's hopeless on the War, Illegal Aliens and Economics. An amiable semi-grifter. NOT a Wartime Leader. (Or, nationally, any other time.)
There. Go, Mitt. Go, Rudy. Freddy T. for VP. |
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Does Mike Huckabee have Barack Obama on his Foreign Policy Advisory Staff. Some of this looks like what Barak would advocate. |
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Overall I think Mitt Romney did okay. The YouTube clips were all pretty well known to us following this. That was the focus of the questioning, not so much the dynamics of the current race (which I think is appropriate). Like I said last week, some of these questions are tough to take, but the Democrats seem to avoid the sunshine and the GOP candidates should be getting a tan. . . discussions now in the primaries only helps the candidate during the general. But Governor Romney stumbled on this particular answer in going after Governor Huckabee:
Near the end of the interview, Tim Russert brought up Mike Huckabee's statement that the Bush administration has an "arrogant bunker mentality." "That's an insult to the president, and Mike Huckabee should apologize to the president" Romney said.
Russert pointed out that Romney himself has said that "Iraq is a mess." "Well, it is a mess," Romney responded. He explained that it's different to say that a number of mistakes have been made than to it is say that the president is arrogant and has a bunker mentality." "That's a completely different statement for which Mike Huckabee owes the president an apology." Romney said.
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MzY4MTY0MTA2YWUzOG Q4MzBkYmQ4OTg0ZjAzZjA2YjQ=
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Romney just said he pulled up to the side of the road and wept when the announcement was made to accept blacks in the Mormon faith in 1978.
Who can stand this guy with all these lies?
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As Hugh says: "The trouble with pundits pumping Senator McCain is that they don't remember what GOP voters remember, and they remember that Senator McCain --always steadfast on the war-- was a maverick on everything else."
The difference is McCain said to double down on Iraq, while Romney tried to see which way the trend was going. (I don't BTW disagree with Mitt Romney on his criticism of Huckabee, it is warranted). Full commitment on the war on terror is a Mitt Romney's weakness.
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"Who can stand this guy with all these lies?"
And you know he's lying about this *how* exactly?
Please spare us your insight. |
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Mitt says Iraq is a mess? What an insult to all our brave troops who have sacrificed their lives to bring freedom to that war torn land. Mitt owes the soldiers an apology. |
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HUCKLEBERRY RESONATES WITH PEOPLE. HE CAN STAND ON HIS OWN FEET MORE THAN ROMNEY AND GUILANI COMBINED. YOU MAY NOT LIKE HIS POSITIONS BUT AT LEAST YOU KNOW THEY ARE HIS. DOES IT REALLY MATTER WHO WINS THE NOMINATION, ANY ONE OF THEM IS BETTER THEN THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ISLE. |
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This seems to be the common consensus about Huckabee:
"He doesn't know what he's talking about, and he's definitely not qualified, but he's *authentic* and can connect with the people."
Yeah, that should be your number one concern.
Hey, I know lots of authentic people too. But I wouldn't want them as President of our country. |
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"The truth of the matter is this president's kept us safe these last six years."
There was an eight-year span between the first WTC bombing and 9-11. Did Bill Clinton keep us safe for the remainder of his term?
Meanwhile, Mexican drug cartels smuggle in weapons and Islamists. The plot to attack Fort Huachuca was uncovered by DEA agents. They'd have probably found out about the plot regardless of the GWOT, or who the president is.
Interestingly, Tancredo got heat for a commercial which aired in Iowa just a few days before the plot was made public that showed Islamists who'd snuck over the border and attacked a shopping mall.
What timing! The criticism of Tancredo ended that day...as well as any discussion on the fact that Muslims were being smuggled across a deliberately unprotected border.
President Huckabee would be NO MORE the boob than is our current president.
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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1207/7415.html
Fair summary. Overall I thought Mitt did fine. The YouTube clips are troublesome for Romney, but they are not going away either so neutralizing them by Mitt explaining his positions makes sense. I could have done with less religous questions and more on political policy, but the questions were not out of hand (especially given Mitt's recent Religion in America speech). |
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...but if you think Huck distancing himself from Bush and Iraq policy is a *bad* political move, then you are as blinded as HH.
Bush enjoys 80% negatives and the Iraq war may even be worse. I think Mitt and Rudy should hitch their wagons *directly* to Bush, Cheney and *especially* Rummy... (Catch the Shinseki jab in Huck's piece?)
Huck is now receiving expert political advice from Rollins and scared you should be...
The Huck a BOOM is far from over. |
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spinning and wriggling and looking very contrived and squishy.
Mitt virtually defies physics and offends *both* sides of the immigration debate SIMULTANEOUSLY! |
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Hewitt has made me a convert to Huckabee. But it goes deeper than my distaste for the endless and petulant attacks and the insecurities they reveal. Republicans are fighting historical-political destiny in 2008; all things being equal, they should lose. In such moments, parties tend to tighten and play it safe. They end up acting in strange self-destructive collusion with history. Romney is the model for this state of mind. Rich, ramrod straight, super-articulate -- another country-club Republican disconnected from ordinary people and completely lacking the authenticity of conviction the zeitgeist is aching for. Could there be a poorer match of man and moment? Republicans only hope is an eccentric candidate who can tap into the live wires of the culture. They need a man of contradictions yet also simple, unapologetic principles, a traditionalist with, yes, a bit of populism.
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He certainly is a very NUANCED candidate. He's likable, in a controlled, corporate way. A little slippery. Good family. Big chin. We'd wallop him in November. |
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Hugh will say Mitt nailed it BECAUSE Mitt DID nail it!
A Grand Slam Home Run is an understatement.
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A couple good books I've read recently are: "1920, the Year of Six Presidents" and "Carlisle vs. Army," which covers that great football game in 1912 that had Jim Thorpe and Dwight Eisenhower as participants. What have you read recently? |
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There were tough questions and I think Mitt did a fine job answering them, but you seemed to watch a different interview than the rest of us. There are contradictions in Mitt's record that are very difficult if not impossible to explain away (other than political expediency and oportunism). If you judge your candidate based on faith, it works, but if you judge a candidate objectively it is pretty hard to reach the conclusion you did. A lot of people look at Mitt's flip flops on positions a lot more critically than you do.
People do this will all candidates, not just Mitt Romney. The candidates we like we give a pass to and we are far more critical to those we do not support. I am a McCain supporter, but he has obviously made some pretty bad decisions on immigration and campaign finance reform. And that is why he is not a front runner in this (it is amazing he is still going after this summer). |
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On Rasmussen Nationwide Pres Tracking, Romney has picked up significantly vis a vis Huckabee.
On 12/12/07 Huck 23% Mitt 14 % Huck +9
On 12/16/07 Huck 21% Mitt 15 % Huck +6
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Did we see the same program??? |
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Mitt nailed it for those who don't mind the fact he is slippery and nuanced. We Dems will be happy to run against a fellow who was against it before he was for it.
Besides, Tim is a big p---y. He collapses before Repubs like a tub of goo. Mitt is very likable, and he comes from a good family. I remember old George from yesteryear, and his Mom too. No doubt that Mitt is good people. This just is not the year for a contrived, corporate, "on-message" candidate. It may work with the likes of Tim Russert and other stooges in the corporate MSM, but they haven't received the memo that politics is going to play out a little differently this year. |
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I saw Mitt's responses as a good defense against some damaging stuff, but not material you would necessarily post on your own campaign's webpage.
And Ted, I am not sure that tracking poll shows much change...yet. But I assume Huckabee will go down in the polls if he cannot stand up the attacks from his critics (and Huckabee has made some gaffes). It seems when a candidate shoots up fast they do tend to drop fast too. |
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It's been, like, HOURS. I haven't seen it, so I can't say whether it was good or bad, but we kinda know what Hugh thinks already....
Has he run out of hyperbolic synonyms for "magnificent", and needed to go buy a new thesaurus? Or is he exhausted, sleeping in the "afterglow" period, after the multi-orgasmic experience of watching his man-crush on the TeeVee? |
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Mitt Romney is the best candidate they have and their pushing a guy who wanted to isolate AIDS paitents in 1992?
Why do you think the DNC attacks Mitt more than any other candidate?
Chuck Todd said on MSNBC the Clintons don't want to face Romney, then Matthews cut him off because he let it slip.
They can't run against Romney.
They can run against Rudy because there's so much baggage.
They can paint Huckabee as a nut who wanted to isolate AIDS patients in 1992.
Notice how the media is pushing McCain now. There doing it because they can't push Huckabee in NH. Why do you think the CNN regular has joined the Huckabee campaign (Ed Rollins).
The whole goal is to stop Romney. They also know there's a strong strain of bigotry in the G.O.P.
The last thing they want in a change election is the G.O.P. showing that they are willing to change and accept differences. |
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Russert tried everything in his book of tricks to try and trip up Romney. The fact that Romney did more than turn any lemons in to lemonade is a testament to Mitt's ability.
While Hugh has not always been right, he certainly picked the right horse here. It will emerge more and more every day, that Romney will be the nominee and Romney will win in the General.
(To quote from Rudy's campaign talking about himself, Romney may not be perfect, but by far Romney's the closest thing to a perfect candidate. And, if anything Romney may be too perfect, which ironically is a main criticism he receives.) |
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Thanks, TS, for posting the link to the speech Huckabee gave. While everything you hear makes it seem like it was recently Huckabee claimed the Bush Administration had a bunker mentality, the speech was given three months ago, this past September.
It's becoming increasingly important to actually go to sources and see what was said, rather than taking the one-liner criticisms as truth. Huckabee says that it's important not to take the military invasion option off the table when dealing with Iran. He says that strengthening Iraq is important for keeping the region stable, and that it's for our own safety.
Everyone keeps saying that Huckabee is naive when dealing with foreign policy, but when I actually listen to what he says, and not rely on soundbites from the mittwits, I find he actually knows foreign policy pretty well. The other night, Frank Gaffney was on Hugh's show, and HE said that Huckabee was a thoughtful person anmd had a good grasp of foreign policy issues. |
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Hugh was so gobsmacked by Mitt's performance on MTP this morning and the sudden release of tension and aprehension of the appearance, that he fell over in a fugue state of complete and utter ecstasy.
Like one of those special pigmy goats that faint if they get startled.
Don't worry, as soon as he revives the post will come. |
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The DNC has put out 99 negative press releases against Romney more than any other G.O.P. candidate. They put out 4 against Huckabee.
The reason why many conservatives are going after Huckabee is because of his record.
They are also going after him because Carville, Begala, Bob Shrum, Peter Fenn and every liberal that comes on TV loves Huckabee.
When your this close to an election, and liberals are singing praise of a Baptist Minister something is up. |
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Having just watched the Meet The Press interview with Mitt, Tim Russert asked him about the comments toward the end of the interview, and twice Mitt said that Huckabee should apologise to the President for his intemperate comments.
By the way, overall the interview went very, very well for Mitt. It was manifestly clear from the context that Russert was determined to engrain his viewers with an image of Mitt as a flip-flopper, playing numerous old videos of Mitt's comments on various issues, whether as Governor of Massachusetts, or as Senate candidate against Ted Kennedy. All of that is entirely fair, and all of it should be explored. But in his effort, Tim really came up short.
At one point Tim even pulled the tawdry stunt of taking out a pair of rubber flip-flops, waiving them in Mitt's face, saying this was what his opponents were saying about him. Even Russert's biggest fans must have winced at that one!
Russert became a bit strained, and actually rudely interrupted Mitt on occasions when the candidate was making points. But Mitt kept coming back and completing each exchange. He even gently chided Tim to go back and read the full record on one issue, reminding Tim that he knows Tim is an avid reader! That actually stopped Russert in his tracks for a second, and the "game face" took on a slight but unmistakable tinge of exasperation.
Throughout, by the way, Russert was reading directly from his note text, which clearly made him seem driven to personally "get to" Romney, rather than closely engaging him in a tough interview.
Russert came up small. |
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No doubt about it, Romney's performance on MTP this morning was critically important at this particular stage. There WAS a lot riding on it.
So Hugh and other pro-Mitters WERE entitled to some pre-performance tension. And, fortunately, Mitt HAS met the test, so Hugh IS entitled to some ecstatic release. |
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And had the author, Walter Russell Mead, on his show. I've not finished the book yet, but listening to Huckabee's speech to the CSIS, I think Huckabee might have read this book. Thank you, TS, for posting that link.
I keep getting reminded that I can't rely on soundbites from the opposition to know where Huckabee stands on any position. When I first heard this headline, I was depressed. I thought that I couldn't, in good conscience, support Huckabee if he is really that naive, or (worse) if he is thinking like a liberal on foreign policy. I listened to the speech, and discovered that Huckabee makes a lot of sense on what he said, and that the soundbite quotes don't really capture the whole thought that Huckabee is trying to get across. Like TS, I encourage anyone who is disturbed by the headlines to go listen to the speech. It may not persuade you as it did me that Huckabee is not a lightweight on foreign policy, still it would behoove you to get his side of the story, if only to better refute Huckabee and his supporters, instead of relying on clipped quotes and quick soundbites. |
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Do you honestly believe Mitt pulled the car over and cried? Mitt reminds me of the boss from the movie Office Space. "I'm gonna need you to bring your illegal aliens over to work on my lawn on Saturday.... mmmmkay" lol |
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And what Mitt accomplished this morning on MTP was all the more impressive because Russert kept coming and coming at Romney, and Romney consistently came out on top.
What we saw this morning is the Dem allied MSM vs. Mitt Romney. Romney won. The Americans will see this. |
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That's rich. You know, I can understand the complaints about the media back in the Goldwater/Nixon days, and as much as conservatives today detest the media, as Hugh repeatedly says, on balance, Republicans get a much better shake from the corporate MSM than do Democrats. That includes Romney. I can only imagine their ridicule of a Democrat who flip-flopped and as nuanced as Romney. Romney at least gets listened to. A Democrat would just be shouted down.
And speaking of Goldwater, interesting that Mitt's old man bolted the 64 Convention to go march in the street with MLK. I wonder what the base thinks about that. George Romney was obviously alarmed by the Goldwater rebellion. I don't imagine most true blue Republicans felt the same way. Of course, the sons do not pay for the sins of the fathers in this country--still, the apple does not fall far from the tree. |
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He talks about bunker mentality, but does Huckabee know that the government tries to talk to these people through BACK CHANNELS?
Does Huckabee even know what back channels are?
We try to talk to them and then they do and say things openly like we want to wipe Israel off the map and destroy the United States. This is when you have to be stern with them publicaly.
Huckabee's statement is wrong because he doesn't know what work is being done through back channels and how much resistence we are recieving.
Which nations would Huckabee talk to?
What would he do to make those nations work with us?
Is it more important to protect America or be liked around the world?
When Huckabee says this who will he talk to? Some appeasers like Huckabee and Obama always think if your just nicer everyone will like you. It's the Neville Chamberlin foreign policy.
Huckabee = Jimmy Carter. |
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Tell me what countries Huckabee will talk to and what will he say or do to make them like us.
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All kinds of trips around the world representing America.Just because he took a hard stand on Iran and Syria doesn't qualify as a "bunker mentality". Working on NK nukes wasn't hunkering down. Liberals believe every problem can be solved by diplomacy so they can cut the military. It's called the "peace dividend" and Bill Clinton jumped all over it when he took office and cut the troops and intelligence.They would do the same thing if the got back in power.Liberlas see military spending as unspent social money. It's why they're really against the war. |
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Huckabee gave to the CSIS.
http://media.csis.org/csistv/?070928_huckabee
Listen to the whole thing. Huckabee is not naive about foreign policy. He mentioned the NIE from August (this speech was in September, not recently, as the mittwits would apparently have us believe) and tied it into his arguments.
Drudge's soundbite quote: "While the Foreign Affairs article is missing the one-liners he is known for, it does have a few folksy comparisons to illustrate his points. On Iran, for example, he makes a case for diplomacy by saying, 'Before we put boots on the ground elsewhere, we had better have wingtips there first.'"
The entire context of that quote: "The wisdom of Sun-Tzu, from nearly 2,500 years ago, is relevant today: Keep your friends close; keep your enemies closer. We haven’t had diplomatic relationships with Iran in almost 30 years, most of my entire adult life, and a lot of good it’s done. Putting this in human terms, all of us know that when we stop talking to a parent, or a sibling, or even a friend, it’s impossible to resolve the differences to move that relationship forward. Well, the same is true for countries. Our experience in Iraq should prove a valuable lesson for Iran.
We’ve since learned that when we overthrew Saddam, we invaded an imaginary country because our information was so incredibly out of date. We relied on exiles who had long since fled the country, who exaggerated the condition of Iraq’s infrastructure, the strength of its middle class, and the secular nature of its society. If we had had diplomatic relations with Iraq, and an ambassador in Baghdad, we obviously would’ve had better information. Before we put boots on the ground in the future, we better have a few wingtips there first." |
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Yeah, I do. When you think that his Dad marched with Martin Luther King and that was the sentiment in his home as he was brought up.
By the way, do we know anything about Huck's family? Is he married? Does he have children? How come we know all about Romney, Rudy, Edwards, clinton, obama's ( no distrespect, just gave up caps) families? Is his wife cowering in the house waiting for him to tell her she can come out? After all, that's what he thinks that women should do if they are married. Sounds a little like the taliban - doesn't it? Good luck women! |
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Huckabee said:
On Iran, for example, he makes a case for diplomacy by saying, 'Before we put boots on the ground elsewhere, we had better have wingtips there first.'"
Has he been listening to Ahmadinejad?
He's a mad man who wants to destroy America and wipe Israel off the map.
He's on a religious mission to bring about the return of the Mahdi. You can talk until your blue in the face and this guy will still want to destroy you.
He also has the backing of Russia.
This is truly naive and scary when you listen to the like of Huckabee and Obama.
They feel they can talk a mad man out of his delusions just like Chamberlin appeased Hitler.
What majic words will Huckabee use?
Huckabee talks about keeping your enemies close and this is just an excuse to appease.
Does Huckabee know we have been trying to talk to Iran through back chanells for months and it hasn't soften Ahmadinejad's rhetoric?
We have tried talking to Iran through it's friends and he hasn't changed his tone.
What is Huckabee going to do? Please be specific.
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Is basically his speech at the CSIS, I see. Just read it (the Foreign Affairs article), and don't see much to indicate that Huckabee doesn't understand foreign affairs. His views on Russia's motivations, the importance of stabilizing Iraq, the fact that we have to rely on other nations to enforce sanctions on Iran (since we do no direct business with that country), shows that he has been thinking through these issues, not simply taking talking points from Democrats and regurgitating them.
Also, from his earlier speech, this quote: "When has an army ever turned the tide and then given up? War is about will. Whoever gives up loses." This is exactly right, and a far cry from the Democrats' insistence that the surge is not working, that the only way to win the war on terror is to give up and pull out now.
Huckabee may not be perfect on foreign policy, but he's not a dolt on the issue, either. |
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While he wants to engage in diplomacy, Huckabee said that he would not pull military action off the table. As I understand it, Chamberlin did everything he could to avoid military action against Hitler.
I don't have a sense that Huckabee believes that you can take national leaders at their word. He certainly has said he doesn't believe Musharraf's claims about fighting al-qaeda in Pakistan. He also has a good argument about the motivations of Russia and Putin. His view on Iran is that the country is vying for regional clout, and that we may be able to play that to our benefit, before we have to attack. Ahmedinejad would not be the only one we speak to through diplomacy, since he is not as powerful as Khamenei, who is almost just as bad, but a bit more politically savvy.
From listening to him, I believe that Huckabee views diplomacy as a part of the intelligence process, not a way to make nations "like" us. |
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Hewitt has become more of a screaming shill for Romney with every passing day. Think maybe he is working on a followup book contract? Hugh, the water boy, left logic and fair analysis on the Back 40 on his radio show last Friday. Tried to bait Larry Kudlow and Frank Gaffney to diss Huckabee and they didn't bite. See the blog posts by TS_Missouri to understand what Huckabee REALLY said in the Foreign Affairs article. Does anybody remember two words: Don Rumsfeld? He was the epitomy of YES "arrogance and a bunker mentality" that damaged the administration and our nation's ability to draw or keep allies with us in Iraq and the WOT. Personally, I think President Bush will be judged very well by history--long long term--in leading us and the world to fight Islamofacism. My guess is that Governor Huckabee agrees, but we need to nominate and elect him to carry on the fight--and yes a degree in theology does help in understanding the foes. Bush has fought the right war, at the right time, but with the wrong guy in the lead--arrogant Don Rumsfeld and his wrong strategies. Why are we succeeding NOW in Iraq? Because the President finally got the message that Rummie was blocking out--go with the team of Petraeus and Gates. Hard tough guys but not blinded by arrogance in the bunker. Huckabee has understood that from the beginning, and has NOT flip flopped like Romney. Check out the facts and report them, Hugh. It is amazing what shows up in the sunlight of objectivity and FAIR ANALYSIS, instead of looking for sequel book deals while working the clock for the next news cycle article and posting with your thinkalikes. |
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what you have to understand is that Miss Briggsy has never made a comment that was well thought out. They are similar to the way she shops, if it looks cute, she buys or in this case, she says. Cute little outfits and cute little comments. Don't take her seriously but i bet she's cute in those outfits.
Huckleberry's not the guy. Rudy, Mitt, maybe Fred are. Huckleberry's running in the wrong primary. I think this guy's more like the JC from Plains than the JC from Nazareth. |
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The reason it makes no sense is because Huckabee is talking about these things like a democrat when many of these things are going on through back channels.
Democrats know these things are going on through back channels but they bash Bush openly to gain political points just like Huckabee.
Huckabee is trying to appeal to independents so he thinks bashing Bush is the way to go.
Huckabee wants the world to like us before protection of the country.
I have been asking over and over again.
What countries will Huckabee get on our side and what will he say? Please be specific.
When Huckabee says "bunker mentality" he doesn't know what he's talking about.
Where would Huckabee show diplomacy? Iran? What will he do to change Ahmadinejad's views? Will him and Obama go over there and say "pretty please?"
Alot of things go on through back channels and Huckabee is wrong to say this.
To say these things, Huckabee has joined the ranks of Obama, Al Gore, Jimmy Carter and John Edwards.
Mitt was right, Huckabee is very wrong. I guarantee the next President will have totally different views when they face the resistence from these countries.
This is why we don't need Huckabee's or Obama's appeasement. |
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The reason Gov. Huckabee has found an audience is that he's articulate, credible, and, crucially, likable.
However, in time his positions on free trade, monetary policy, supply side economics, and foreign policy, will become better known among Repulican primary voters. Having read his recommendations in these areas it's difficult to believe that his star will continue to rise.
He willingly raised taxes in Arkansas, complaining that federal guidelines and regulations required it. That's redolent of the Democrats who want to fix the AMT but then look reflexively at "paying for it" by taxing the "rich."
A real Republican would rather open his veins in a warm bath tub before raising taxes because he knows we are grossly over taxed and that for every dollar we give to government we get permanent programs without oversight back in return.
The most viable candidates who are real fiscal conservatives, and who will defend American exceptionalism on the world stage---instead of "reaching out" (i.e., a dialog with Iran or capitulate to Western Europe)---are Giuliani and Romney.
Finally, although Hugh is definitely enamored of Romney's candidacy, his reasons are far more substantive than most of his critics give him credit for. And accusing him of shilling for Romney because he might have another book deal is indicative of specious argumentation. You don't advance your cause by using speculative evidence to denigrate the arguments of your opposition.
Best,
Phil Mella
ClearCommentary.com
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Hmm, thats funny. you nitwits have the knowledge to define real republicans. hahaha. no people get to define themselves, even if this presents a problem for you "real" republicans. many, especially the home-schoolers and others aren't all that turned by the huck's stance on free trade. ask how many of the formerly middle-class workers who lost jobs to mexico if they really are all favorable to free trade. ohio alone is off limits because of that issue alone. the old elitist conservatism you all have pushed will not work. hahaha |
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interview where Sec. Rumsfeld has said that his decisions were based on Gen. Franks recommendations. They were to keep troop levels below 200,000 as to assuage Muslim concerns about occupation. Are we to believe that 4 star Generals would not speak up. After the fact, troop levels should have been increased, that's easily said now. Sec. Rumsfeld is a patriot and he took no guff from the left and i'm sure he would have agreed with the the surge, if it would have been presented to him. The President sacrificed this fine man because the left demanded it. They hated him because of his Neocon views and that he didn't bow at their altar. We need more men who give no quarter to the left, not less. I've read some "whit-less" comments concerning this fine patriot. Speaking of "whit-less" that pretty much defines Huckleberry. If he's the guy, i vote, just not for President. |
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"A Death In Vienna" by Daniel Silva(addicted since the one HH recommended a few months ago). Highly advise them all--the Gabriel Allon series--
beginning with "The Kill Artist".
History: "In Flanders Fields:Passchendaele 1917" by Leon Wolff and "Passchendaele" by Phillip Warner. The Brits fought 3rd Ypres, aka-Passchendaele, the year following The Somme. Unbefrigginlievable. |
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Something you put in a pipe? Your comment, juxtaposed with Victor David Hanson's is... well... now we know what you do with the pipe. You and your sister, briggsy's comments are little more than comic relief, the ranter of "Girl's gone wild". Go back to "Hanna Montana". Leave the adults alone. |
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To all you bitter, cynical souls who mock Mitt's story about crying as a blatant lie are simply being specious and hateful.
This change in policy was very big for members of the LDS faith in 1978. I was too young at the time to realize the implications, but I have heard from a number of older members of the church who have told me that they cried with joy that day too. And they weren't even running for political office when they told me this. Go figure!!!
Or maybe they were all just lying, right?
I know it's a cynical, heartless world we live in today, but to scoff at the emotional feelings of others, or worse yet accuse such emotions as being lies or simple political pandering without reason is shameful.
I know it fits your contrived "Mitt Romney is a plastic robot" meme, but seeing goodness in a man as being somehow artificial or politically expedient with no rational basis in fact is typically the M.O. of that "other" political party. Not the GOP.
I'm becoming more disgusted with my party every day. Though I know much of the hate on this blog comes from acknowledged Leftists or covert Leftists just trying to stir the pot, a lot of it is coming from the conservative side as well. Pitiful. |
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Whether or not Huck knows foreign affairs shouldn't even be an issue. He doesn't understand federalism. His position on federalism is if it feels good do it, and do it at a federal level. I don't think the man is foolish, he just talks foolish, that is how politics work. Do you think he is foolish when people think he is moral while he pages through his gift lists and rewards his buddies? That is not foolish, that is deceptive and so far it has been effective. |
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Deeply Thoughtful Brobster was a true hoot. Apparently, the lil'squid has studied war and military history as much as I've done quantum mechanics. His utter cluelessness of war radiates from every sentence above.
Your query, Meathead, is not legitimate. Anyone with even a passing grasp of the History of War knows this. Jeepers, brobby, nope I didn't love many of the ways the war which we've pretty much won in Iraq went. Duhhhh. Your "Gotcha" point is beyond vacuous. The bloodslog of Okinawa & Iwo Jima, mere months before the Japanese surrender, weren't won the way we'd hoped either. But, WIN we did. And WIN we are.
My friend, Cotton, is ever so right about'cha, brobette. You have no avenue for reaching adulthood. Go play with fellow lightweight nitwits at kosroid. |
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Sorry. That piece of revisionist history isn't gonna work. Rumsfeld, Wolfowitiz, and Feith all knew better than the military brass. While the brass has their own sins to answer for in the Iraq fiasco, the really big errors, strategic, moral, and otherwise, were committed by the civilian leadership at the Pentagon. The Iraq War puts an exclamation on Rumsfeld's career. His biography will be held forward as a textbook example of hubris, as a man whose exaggerated sense of self-rightness led his country up a tragic path.. |
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I misjudged Mike Huckabee. I thought he only got his foreign policy expertise from the Holiday Inn Express.
Apparently he gets it from the movies as well:
http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2007/12/15/the-very-d eep-thoughts-of-mike-huckabee/
Mr. Huckabee, could you please make me a Netflix friend? I'd like to view your rental history so I can get a better perspective on your foreign policy vision (since I certainly can't get anything rational from your public comments...). |
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Can you give me an example of a back channel negotiation that Bush has going on? Please be specific.
Huckabee acknowledged that we were only talking to Iran through the Swiss Embassy. He believes it would be better to have diplomats right there in Iran. Is he right? I don't know. I also can't give you a specific example of what Huckabee would say to make other nations "like" us, since I don't believe that's exactly what he's talking about. He does say that we should improve our reputation in the world by giving aid for internal improvements, etc. to various nations (he didn't specify which ones, I assume they would be nations needing help with their internal improvements).
To call Huckabee a Democrat, though, would be mistaken, since Democrats want immediate withdrawal from Iraq, and Huckabee has clearly stated that he would not support withdrawal until Gen. Petraeus did. Also, Huckabee says that Bush is right to 1.) Not take the military option off the table in dealing with Iran and 2.) Start pushing for sanctions against Iran.
Huckabee thinks it would have been easier, though, if we had better diplomatic relations with Iran. He pointed out that when 9/11 occurred, they had candlelight vigils in mourning in Tehran. Bush included Iran in the axis of evil (which I don't really disagree with--they are a part of the terrorist sponsoring states, I believe), and Iran's belligerence is in part a response to the Bush Administration's aggressive tone. |
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Hugh had Walter Russell Mead on his show some time back, talking about Mead's book called "God and Gold". The premise of the book is that the Anglo-American system of naval might and trade promotion, coupled with limited government and individual liberty, is a winning combination for accruing hegemeny in the world. Mead spends a lot of time, though, talking about how hated the Anglo-American nations are by all the other nations. I haven't finished the book, but the flow of Mead's discussion reminds me of Huckabee's position of trying to increase respect for America in the world. |
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In his speech to the CSIS, Huckabee made a comment that some people want to view politics in the same way as theology--that you must be totally pure in your ideology.
Politics is a people business, and inevitably involves compromise. That's why I'm not worried about Romney's supposed "flip-flopping"; politicians are right, in a lot of cases, to respond to the desires of the constituency. Politicians are, after all, supposed to be representatives of the people. The Constitution is in place to provide limits to how much the people can get out of the politicians, and the systems has worked a lot better than others we could have had.
I have no problem with Romney himself, but I am quite vexed with his supporters. The continual barrage of attacks against Huckabee has pushed me from interested observer to Huckabee supporter. When I hear of a new attack, I try to go to the source, find out what was really said, and more often than not discover that Huckabee has been taken out of context, misquoted. It's annoying how, when Huckabee gives his side of the story, it doesn't matter, because he's automatically labelled a liar. If the mittwits had simply ignored Huckabee, I would have probably rejected Huckabee, too, after a superficial skimming of his campaign website.
I disagree strongly with Huckabee on free trade, farm subsidies and the like. But I remember Romney saying that he wanted to make free trade fair by ensuring other nations are "playing by the rules", and I saw several candidates in the YouTube debate give their support for farm subsidies, so it's not like I would be improving the situation by switching to another candidate.
Huckabee has a natural gift of speaking and reaching people's hearts. Romney has vast administrative experience in both the political and the business world. Romney makes sense intellectually, Huckabee makes sense politically. |
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Huckabee says he gets his foreign policy philosophy from Thomas Friedman and Frank Gaffney.
The "Holiday Inn Express" comment was made on the Don Imus talk show, not exactly a forum for considered seriousness. Huckabee made this comment on a show some months before he announced his candidacy. He supposedly made the statement again on the most recent interview with Don Imus. |
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and i were not. He says all parties concerned were worried about the appearance of occupation. There is a lot that you and i will never know. This man was sacrificed to the liberals in congress. Do not down play the fact that he's Jewish either. Thats all part of what was in play. Also, the appearance that his decisions put Israel first was loathed by old, entrenched, career people at Defense and State. He was too much a patriot and gentleman to aggressively defend himself and his decisions. Many things the President has done, have not set well with me, this Rumsfeld episode being one. I lost a measure of respect for GWB because of it. Also, i won't let a nit-"whit" make the comments he made without a challenge. See above at 2:32pm. These Huckleberry people seem to be employing some of the rupaulian verbiage. In doing so, they offend this "born again". |
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was heroic for his large place in liberating 50+million slaves. The mass death pits have gone out of operation(376 & counting found in Iraq alone) since W & he rode into the Baathist & Dark Age Sewage and scattered them...Oh, and killed thousands of them. That, I'm sure, is what our patriotic friend meant to say. |
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Yes, by all means read the proposals of Huckabee, or whoever wrote that piece on the CFR site, and tremble for your future. His plans would prove to be a massive expansion of government powers to control our society, to tax us to the point that you will have no disposable income, enrage the nations of the world against us, and continue the same feckless road to bankruptcy that Bush has led us down.
In order to make the increases in our military, he would have to force conscription of this country once again. Additionally, in order to expand the military to feed his vision of empire he would have to increase every form of taxation to the point that it would cause economic havoc and drain our productivity by increasing military spending to over 6% GDP adding an extra quarter of a trillion dollars to the debt.
His plan would prove to be our undoing and in order to enforce it he would be forced to place even more draconian measures in place to control the growing unrest that would result from the implementation of his policies.
He has proved that he doesn't have a concept of reality, especially the reality of our monetary system that is on the verge of collapse; his plans would only hasten the day of our reckoning. As it is, thanks to Bush and the FED, our fiat currency is rapidly reaching it's maximum possible lifespan as the debt requires more servicing than the economy can produce.
I cannot believe that he actually made this statement: "The threat of an attack on us is far graver than the risk that a quick and limited strike against al Qaeda would bring extremists to power in Pakistan." WHAT? Is he really saying that it is better that we go after al Qaeda by intervening in Pakistan even though such actions would bring the extremist to power in that country and he thinks that is acceptable? Sure Mike, put Pakistan's nuclear weapons into the hands of extremists...that's a great plan.
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Neo: When you throw out that 50+ number, I'm guessing you're including Afghanistan. Afghanistan is fine. Afghanistan is just. Afghanistan is good. In fact, the Iraq stupidity undercut our efforts in Afghanistan. Everyone wanted that. That was related to 9/11.
Cotton: you insist on painting any criticism of the things most dear to you as "anti-semitic." It is really toxic. We are allowed to criticize the actions of Americans who happen to be Jews. We are allowed to advocate, in the best interests of our country, a more balanced approach to the region. We are allowed to think the Iraq invasion was naive, ridiculous, and foolhardy. And we are allowed to think and say these things without being called an "anti-semite." |
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Shame about those 25 million savaged victims of decades of Saddam's Baathist terror getting liberated by the nefarious, arrogant Rummy and the clueless dummy Bush, huh? And, those baby sacrificer members of the Rumsfeldian cabal, Mr.Feith & Mr.Wolfie, helped 'um.(Probably aided at State by the evil-subversive Mr.Bolten.)
Just a dang bummer not having fathers strapped to chairs at Abu Grabby to watch in indescribable horror as their daughters are raped & tortured by Uday & Kusay Hussein. Remember the pics of victims' family members trying to find loved ones' remains in the unearthed mass death pits after Saddam's fall? I do.
Just think, had the liberation of Saddam's slaves gone perfectly and painlessly(the current day liberal view of how wars are fought)and Dark Age Islamist Sewage marginalized off the MSM's pages, then a bantyweight charmer like Obama-man could step into the Oval Office like the welterweight Billy did in '93. But, ain't gonna happen, Dude. Unless Americans really ARE capable of National Coma. And, there's just nothing your side's sleazy Carville types can hang on Mitt to stick.
Bummer, huh? |
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at the forces that were in play at the time of Sec. Rumsfeld's lynching. I made those comments without calling you antisemitic. To be frank, my original posting was aimed at "whit" not you. This is an open debate and we can address any poster but i was hoping to engage the "whit"- ster.
You are allowed to criticize any and all and do so at anytime, but you will not be allowed ,by me, to somehow turn the tables and call me "toxic" for pointing out antisemitism. As i've said previously, antisemitism has found a comfortable home in liberalism. The left believes that if Israel were to just gave up their land, moved back to their countries of origin, the world would finely be at peace. This is antisemitism. There are many in government who hold this same view. Those who do are always quick to object and then resort to name calling. It changes the subject and gives them cover. But truly, what's "toxic" is what is in the heart of the one who says "if those Jews were just out of the picture" everything would be just fine. This is why the left does not fear radical Islam or Iran. They both have the same enemy. If you hold this view "PL" then i call you far worse than "toxic". "The heart of man is desperately wicked". |
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