For the most part, the Palestinian Arabs are reaping what they sowed.. The majority of them voted Hamas Terrorists into power, due to what Hamas could do For them, as in promides of more welfare & giv-a-ways.. Sound familiar? Deliberately abandoned by their fellow Muslims, in oil rich countries, to be a provocation to Israel.. they are a corrupted, and mostly wicked people. Innocent people?? Even their chilren are brain-washed little "Hamas-cidal" suicide bombers waiting to happen.. The minority of "innocent people in the Gaza snake pit include those who are not totally brain-washed Hate-machine whem Hamas has been exterminating as so called "collaborators". My guesss is that these people are, now, on a fast-track to self-destruction.. |
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the only reason hamas started this attack is because iran wants to raise the price of oil for more revenue by trying to make it seem oil will be harder to import |
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"This has made life miserable and desperate for the Palestinians."
So "miserable and desperate" that they managed to construct elaborate tunnel systems to smuggle and stock-pile weapons into Gaza and and prepare booby-traps long before the IDF invaded. Instead of using their energies and resources to build a functioning economy that benefits their people, Hamas has chosen to antagonize Israel at every opportunity. The Israelis, to their credit, have been very restrained in their response over the years to the thousands of rockets fired at their civilian populace. However, they have reached the point where they must defend themselves. I just hope that this time they don't leave the job half-finished.
I find it difficult to feel sympathy for the Gaza inhabitants when they allow barbaric Hamas to operate within their midst. |
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Well, the Israelis could follow the instructions that Jehovah gave to Moses and Joshua about the inhabitants of the promised land after the Israelis has wandered for 40 years. |
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Think about this, rdk: pacification will only perpetuate victimization. Israel has had enough of that. |
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"Conservatives never shed a crocodile tear for the thousands of innocent Iraqi's killed by the millions of tons of bombs we dropped on Iraq either."
Do you think a crocodile tear is ever shed by those who's sole mission is to destroy, in the name of Alla, all infidels, whether civilian or not?
I think not.
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So is not punishment of Hamas the only way for Istael to obtain protection? In reality, punishment is inadequate and pacification is what is needed. |
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You're right this what every terrorist group does.
Israeli TV reported that minutes before the targeted killing of a Hamas terrorist in his apartment or home, all the neighbors get a phone call warning them to get out of the area. Some of the defiant ones go to the roof hoping to dissuade the IDF from firing at which point a small, harmless missile is fired to a corner of the roof. This convinces the defiant to get away. Then and only then is the hit performed.
There is no other army in the world that takes such extreme measures to protect noncombatants.
- Channel 10, Israel TV, (January 1, 2009
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"Why hasn't Israel funded a group of Palestinians to start a pro-Israel political party?"
How long do you think they would live if Hamas got anywhere near them? They'd be marked for death from day one. Sad but true.
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I have often wondered why Israel has never taken a direct interest in Palestinian politics. Why hasn't Israel funded a group of Palestinians to start a pro-Israel political party? When we took over Iraq, we put in our own government. I'd be a lot more sympathetic to Israel if they just put a government in place the same as we did in Iraq after overthrowing Sadam.
Seems Israels only interest in the Palestinians is bombing them.
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Some pretty dishonest stats you quote there.
How about comparing deaths over the same period instead of Israeli deaths during a 6 month ceasefire against an 8 year period for the other side.
In the first 5 years and 4 months of this decade (i.e Jan 00 to April 06) 1,133 Israelis died as a result of Palestinian violence and terrorism.
Is that enough for you?
Exactly what number is the break point to make an Israeli response acceptable?
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There is a solution. Invade, defeat and remove the Palestinians from Gaza. Colonize the area w/ people who aren't terrorists or terrorist supporters.
It's actually quite simple really. |
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In your opinion, what is the proper response to a group of people,who are self governed by their elected officials that happen to be terrorists, unprovoked by any recent violence from their neighbor,yet participate in lobbing bomb after bomb into an area populated by civilians? |
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"The harm is has done to US relations, throughout the ME are severe."
As Maine goes so goes the nation.
Hamas is a hostile force that terrorises its own people and the people of Israel. The IDF is doing what it has to do.
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Medved is right by bringing up that the main goal of these attacks is to assure security. People who bring up the relatively small number of rocket deaths are missing the point. Left unchecked these rocket attacks would have made southern Israel uninhabitable and eventually most of the Israeli population would not be able to live there.
The problem is of course that Israel made far too many mistakes to get to the point. Gaza should never have been allowed to fall into the hands of Hamas and the pullout should ve been done much differently.
This indeed makes this a mess. As much as a disaster as the Lebanon campaign was it did succeed in the fundamental goal of preventing rocket attacks. Hamas though has far less to lose then Hezbollah though. Hamas is willing to fight to the last person to inflict as much pain on Israel as possible. This is just a fact.
There is no easy solution. There cannot be a cease fire that allows Hamas to rearm again and keeping the borders closed will cause enormous future suffering.
Medved does not have the answer for this, but then again nobody else does as well.
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The Israelis imposed economic sanctions on the Palestinians ever since Hamas was elected to power.
This has made life miserable and desperate for the Palestinians.
From Cuba, to Iraq to the Palestinians, it is clear that economic sanctions do not automatically motivate the civilian populations to overthrow or change governments. In fact it can have the opposite effect, make the oppressed hate the oppressees and not the government. Israel could have taken a different approach than imposing economic sanctions on the Palestinians.
It is very trite for conservatives to condemn all Palestinians to death for the actions of a terrorist network. Conservatives never shed a crocodile tear for the thousands of innocent Iraqi's killed by the millions of tons of bombs we dropped on Iraq either.
I predict Israel will have the same political success after overthrowing Hamas that the United States had in Iraq after overthrowing Sadam.
None at all. But hey, Israel will feel better about itself for having made a good show of it and killed a few hundred or thousand Palestians, and that makes you all feel better too, eh? Kill them all and let God sort them out! Woo hooo! But in the end Hamas is funded by Iran and will just crop back up and the war'ing will go on unabated.
Someone famous once said, "violence begets violence." I forget who.
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"Late Saturday, Gaza health official Dr. Moaiya Hassanain said 230 Palestinians were killed and more than 400 were wounded.
The lone fatality in Israel was in the town of Netivot, where a rocket killed an Israeli man. Six other people were wounded, rescue services said."
"Israel made clear its single goal in going after Hamas: to put an end to the literally thousands of rocket attacks on Israeli civilians."
Best I can find, only 3 Israeli's have died as a result of Hamas' "literally thousands of rocket attacks". So where are these rockets going if no Israeli's are dying?
The facts do not add up.
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WRONG!!!!!!
Hamas' biggest advocate AND mouthpiece is Jimmy "the appeaser" Carter.....
BTW........he's one of yours....... |
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1. With US aids, Israel is murdering children.
2. The harm is has done to US relations, throughout the ME are severe.
3. During the last 6 months of truce, not one Israeli was killed.
Since 2000, over 5000 Palistinains
Have Been Killed
large areas of their homeland have been overrun
the Gazans have been imprisoned, and starved. Large numbers of Gaza children have stunted growth
Israel is responsible for creating Hams and Bush is responsible for letting them have elections and gain power.
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In your opinion, what is the proper response to a group of people, unprovoked, lobbing bomb after bomb into an area populated by civilians? |
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The last line of Medved's post bears repeating:
"Concessions actually produce a more reliable violent response from Islamic terrorists than do decisive military actions."
The reflexively anti-American crowd who habitually blame Israel and America for any action taken to thwart Islamic fascism and terrorism should pay attention to those in the know who truly desire peace without conceding civilization in the process. See the following post by Tom Gross on The Corner at National Review online. It reports harsh criticism of Hamas by Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmad Aboul Gheit, Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas and in an editorial in a leading Saudi newspaper. Bottom line - Iran is stirring things up and it does not serve civilized nations in the Middle East well.
http://media.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MWFjZjBkMjI4YTQ2ZmJ mYjQxOGVkYWUzMjA5N2QwMTU= |
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For saying the death of that Hamas leader and his family (by an IDF bomb dropped on his house) might act as a deterent. At least according Glenn Greenwald and Andrew "The Sarah Palin Vagina Monologues" Sullivan. http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/ 01/aliens.html
This is just pathetic. Let them face some missiles landing on their towns before they judge. |
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