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This is not complicated. I did not support Dede and was glad she dropped out. When she dropped out and endorsed Owens Republicans/Independents who are conservative focused on Hoffman and HIS POLLS went up (accurate measure) UNTIL RUSH INSULTED DEDE.
If you and other limbots can't get this fact then you can use your ostrich defense. The GOP lost when it picked Dede. But Dede's true colors cleared that issue up and voters flocked to Hoffman - THANKFULLY.
THEN THE MORON CALLED RUSH had to 'speak his ego' and insult Dede. Those 6000+ votes don't make sense and can't be explained by 'the GOP made a mistake'. The GOP's mistake was corrected by the rejection of voters when Dede was under performing and coming in 3rd in the polls. The polls were accurate and HISTORY was correct that NY 23 is a conservative district.
However, independents don't like Rush and his insults - that is when 6000+ voters decided to send a message to Limbots.
I am a conservative who can't stand what Rush did with Operation Chaos and with Insulting Dede. Dede's true colors were obvious and she was losing long before she dropped out. Her and the GOP were put to shame. But as deplorable as Dede and GOP was - Rush's insults were WORSE and voters said so!
If the 6000+ voters were motivated by their trust in Dede then they would have voted for Owens who was endorsed by her. The fact that they did not vote for Owens demonstrates they were not 'true believers' in Dede's judgment which was tainted by her 180 degree change of heart in 24hrs.
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I am sure you believed Bush was a conservative and that whole compassionate conservatism. Puritans like you and Palin can't win and never will win.
Palin's place is in energizing the voters and in fund raising because like Rush she has a strong group of puritans behind her who will do whatever she asks them to do.
However, neither Palin or Rush can win at a national level. They have a fringe group of supporters.
If in NY23 Owens will be more conservative than Dede, and I've heard he is, then I am glad he won. I don't care for YOUR QUALIFICATION of who is PURE AND WHO IS NOT - I care for principles that focus on small govt., lower taxes, less spending and free markets.
That said you can go ahead and endorse Rush as a conservative and HOPE he keeps his mouth shut because I assure you he does more harm than good to any candidate he 'supports'.
He is a divisive ideologue, 3 time divorcee, drug addict who did not graduate from college - those credentials make him neither a social conservative nor an intelligent voice for ANY NATIONAL CANDIDATE.
That's the fact that you and other limbots have to acknowledge. I did not support Dede but Rush's insults were worse than Dede's endorsement of Owens. At least with Dede, she felt scorned and rejected, with Rush it was just an IGNORANT EGOTISTICAL RANT OF INSULTS that cost Hoffman (a descent american) a position he had worked so hard to obtain.
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the Phillies suddenly deciding they would rather be the Yankees and playing like them. During Game 3, into the stadium charges the Bowie Baysox, pushing the Phillies out and forcing a Game 4, finally losing the Series by only one run when Utley bats for the Yankees. Think all that would be of mild interest to the sporting world?
Yeah, I know where NY23 is: I used to live in Plattsburgh. There are hard-core right (Ft. Drum)and hard-core left (Saranac Lake) enclaves there, very reflective of every other Congressional district in America.
An insult caused 6000 Dede votes? HA! More like public education caused 6000 Dede votes.
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The GOP establishment blew the NY-23 race, not Rush or any other pundit who criticized Dede S. You're ignoring the fact that Dede S. is more liberal than the Democrat she was running against! That the GOP establishment backed her instead of a conservative candidate tells you how out of touch they are. She's not even a moderate, she's a liberal and would have voted with the Democrats in Congress. So, what good would it have done to have her in Washington with an R behind her name? And how many of those 6,000 votes she got because her name was still on the ticket came from voters who routinely just pull the straight Republican lever?
The fact that a third party candidate with no money forced out a RINO/DIABLO and got 45% of the vote is astounding. |
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....it was a very good night for Conservatives.
....a VERY good night. |
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a conservative third party candidate almost beat the Democrat. |
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"I am not a liberal. I am a conservative who believes in reason and logic as the way to explain superior values. That is why Prager is one of the best proponents for conservatism. Hewitt is great too until he gets stuck on a candidate then he becomes 'irrational' i.e. Miers and Mitt."
the above statement disqualifies you as a conservative and puts you in the mushy middle Republicanland. Hewitt, Prager, and why don't you throw in Medved while you're at it advocate for settling and compromising one's beliefs for the sole purpose of power. Cons are not down with that. That's p#$$y thinking and it's what got us where we are as exemplified in the immortal words of the first rate Republican W "I've abandoned free-market principles to save the free-market system,".
And your boy Hewitt said to go ahead and let tax cheat Geitner become secretary of Treasury because that's how the game is played. |
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I want all the Obama Supporters and other liberals to hold on to their illusion that voters in NY23 rejected Hauffman because he was conservative. This dillusional/denial angle will only make it easier for the conservatives in 2010.
I don't care what party a person represents if the candidate will vote for less govt., less spending, lower taxes and listen to the american people (the healthcare bullies and kabala of Chicago is REQUIRING americans to buy their endorsed health insurance - it's unconstitutional dude!)
Americans are getting it, one election at a time.
And to hear liberals say NJ did not matter anyway because they got Owens vote in the house IS PRICELESS!
Obama spent tax dollars to campaign for corzine complete with Obama/Corzine signs. And the Owen win was important? Actually, if owen wants to be re-elected in NY23 next year, he won't be voting for more govt. spending when the defecits are being projected to 9 trillion. By now he knows what a difference a year can make, like in Jersey where 15 points for Obama became - 20 lost points giving republicans a HUGE HUGE HUGE WIN and the whitehouse another emberassing loss (worse than the olympics bid).
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I am not a liberal. I am a conservative who believes in reason and logic as the way to explain superior values. That is why Prager is one of the best proponents for conservatism. Hewitt is great too until he gets stuck on a candidate then he becomes 'irrational' i.e. Miers and Mitt.
Rush is the Hillary in the conservative movement. He has many loyal followers but his personality is divisive and most independents find these two personalities to be deplorable.
As a result, when they insult or attack an candidate, independents flock to that candidate to remind them we are the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and we hope to make this union more perfect by voicing opposition to polarizing figures like Rush and Hillary.
No candidate can win without getting independent voters. Rush ensures that independents vote against his preferred candidate.
Dede's 6000+ votes are a good measure of what Rush's insults to Dede cost Hoffman. The polls were right when they predicted a Hoffman surge after Dede dropped out. She was the scummy untrustworthy candidate and endorsing owens tainted owens. Then Rush insulted her and public opinion swang back to Dede.
Drug Addicts without a college education are not well respected by independents. Notice the increase of independent voters resulted in a decrease of republican voters. Americans find Rush to be a divisive polarizing figure - just like Hillary Clinton. Clinton lost the primary because she was perceived that way by voters. Perception is reality.
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had obama campaigned for Owens! |
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"It could be that the big numbers of undecideds were scared off by Hoffman's third-party ID at the poll and went with what they knew: the major-party Democrat candidate".
THIS IS DENIAL. Voters in NY23 knew who Hoffman was when Dede dropped out and Endorsed Owens. What changed? Rush decided to insult Dede,she gained 6000+ votes that would have gone to Hoffman. How can we deduce that? Because the 6000+ voters had a choice to vote for Owens (Dede's Endorsed Candidate) or Hoffman (Rush's Tainted Candidate).
Let this be a lesson for 2010 candidates - ask Rush to stay out of the race.
Palin's endorsement put Hoffman on the map, Rush's insults to Dede cost him 6000+ votes. Rush must be contained just like Obama has contained Hillary.
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From being a fringe party to 46% of the vote. This was a good lesson for the GOP regarding the big tent philosophy. A very noble goal, butexpect a few backstabbers such as Dede. Ax-Gene is most likely correct - Owens won't hold that seat for long, especially if he falls in lock step with Botox Nanny. However the NYGOP party bosses had best let the 23rd constituents decide who they want in office rather act like Chicago-style politicos. Stay tuned, this revolt is just starting. |
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"Hoffman lost because the voters didn't like being shoved around by Sarah...and the tea bag carpetbaggers."
You're flailing.
No matter, if Owens turns hard left, and joins forces with Pelosi and Soetoro, NY-23 will have a conservative Representative this time next year...on the Republican ticket.
Btw, the only thing that differentiates government from any other institution in a free society is the power to coerce compliance. Nobody gets "shoved around" by anything or anyone except by elected pols and govt bureaucracy. We'll see how much the voters of NY-23 like being shoved around by Owens, Pelosi and Soetoro next year.
Heh, heh, heh
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Conservative candidates will gain a lot of steam in the future. After the failed policies by those liberal thinkers in both the rep and dem party people are ready for some sanity. I suspect that the Conservatives will play a very important role in the future of politics. |
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I hope your correct, but i believe that unless there is a drastic change to the leadership at the national level Hoffman will have to fight the republicans and democrats and will be relogated perminently to a third party. The national leadership hates conservatives. |
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Scuzzy got nothing. She will never be a political player again. Hoffman on the other hand looks at a pretty good political future. A man who came out of nowhere and made such a great showing as a bright future. Scuzzy will go by the way of Corzine and Deeds as permanent losers. |
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Scuzzy got nothing. She will never be a political player again. Hoffman on the other hand looks at a pretty good political future. A man who came out of nowhere and made such a great showing as a bright future. Scuzzy will go by the way of Corzine and Deeds as permanent losers. |
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Yeah, Scuzzy WAS a whack-job. And a cry-baby, as well! Either of the men was a better choice than Big Dede of the North!
And the excellent showing the third party candidate made was astounding! Signs of things to come, Coopy. Esp if OWens gets on the Barry bandwagon. |
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Yup...Scozza is done! Another Rhino will have to answer for being just another Marxist Socialist in disquise. |
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Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.
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Another whack-job bites the dust. |
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next year ,if scuzzy would have won she would have voted with the dems anyway . hoffmans third party label hurt him with the undecided, IF he had been a labeled a conservitive Republican he would have won on the percentage that just go in and pull the republican lever no matter who is on it. 3 out of 4 is not bad virginia ,new jersey and maine |
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Congradulations on preventing a republican sweep yesterday. After financing and endorsing the liberal Scozzafava Mr. Steele insured that no pesky devicive conservative would win in the 23rd CD. The money that the national commity gave to Scozzafava would have put Hoffman over the top. It seems the "big tent" must not include those radical conservatives. As late as yesterday after Scozzafava dropped out and endorsed the dem. Mr. Steele on Fox's Your World with Niel Cuvuto called Scozzafava a "MODEATE REPUBLICAN". Can anyone give me just one example of Scozzafava endorsing or supporting or voting for one conservative issue? Just one. Before you republicans go on patting yourselves on the back for electing two republican governors, keep in mind that by Mr. Steele incompetance and a complete lack of dicipline in regional leadership we have given Obama another vote in the senete. How many more seats must we loose before we realise that the open tent kum by ya policies of Mr. Steele and the republican leadership will only insure democrat victories. Mr. Steele we dont want moderate candidates, we don't wish to get along or promote any part of the leftist agenda, we want candidates who will fight tooth and nail against all the socialist ideas comming out of Washington. I have heard Mr. Steele relate his desire to welcome moderates and independents into the party, he thinks we need them to win elections. I think he's wrong. He resists taking a conservative line for fear he will loose moderates and independents. Where will they go? to the democrates? They are going there now. It does no good to have a big tent if no one knows why the are there. Its time for new leadership at the national level and i hope the new leader has enough time to get rolling before 2010. Its only a year away and the leftist machine is in gear now. |
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..because the voters didn't like being shoved around by Sarah...and the tea bag carpetbaggers. |
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Yep: Barry is shivering in his jammies this morning: "You mean they got THAT close in NY 23, AND we lost NJ?"
Poor Barry. The flim-flam man exposed! |
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'Will you guys learn your lesson? Probably not."
Like the lessons we just learned in Maine?
Not to mention VA and NJ. |
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Nope: done holding noses here.
Not enabling the national or state Repub power-that-be any longer. They may no longer COUNT on our votes, our support.
I send all their mail back to them, with that sentiment scrawled across their fund-raising pleas. |
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I am with you. The fact that this man made such a remarkable showing in such a short time is certainly an indication of things to come. Christie winning in New Jersey was absolutely huge. All the money, all the ACORN and union help and the big push by the Rock Star did not produce a win for Corzine.
Conservatives are on a roll and they will not stop. |
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... And have the counters determine how many of the folks who voted for his opponent are real people. Or, at least folks who were actually alive on Nov. 3rd 2009. |
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The lesson from NY-23 is a divided repub party doesn't win elections. The conservative base and so-called RINO's are going to have to hold their noses and get along...or lose more elections. Newt was correct in his political analysis. |
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Andrew writes: Wednesday, November, 04, 2009 6:50 AM
All i can say about Hoffman is
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
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Because Hoffman is the only one you have any room to laugh about, since your other two suckbuddies (Corzine and Deeds) got to exit stage left wearing their azzhats. ROTFLMBO!!
The people of NJ gave your suckbuddy Corzine such a butt whooping that even ACORN was left with no margin to come in and steal the election like they have done so many now.
BTW: How much are you getting paid to come on TH this morning and attempt to deflect?? |
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A third party candidate got THAT close to winning and you call it a disappointment? I call it amazing, and a sign of things to come.
Scuzzy (Newt's choice) messed it up, for sure, but overall, the outcome is pretty amazing. A no-name conservative, with no money and no help came THAT close to winning the seat.
And it'll all be done-over next year. It'll be very interesting to see if Owens steps in line with Pelosi and Barry. If he does, he's gone next year. |
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In an otherwise very good day for Republicans, NY-23 was a big disappointment. Newt's political analysis proved to be correct; reality sometimes bites. |
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He beat the craap outta the republic candidate and he had no machine to help him.
Btw- can we decide once and for all if Rush and Beck and them influence elections or not? We have liberals like Medved who say "no" and another liberal like Tribek who says "yea". |
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The only way the GOP can win...
I get a kick out of you Goobers and Gomers lamenting that the only way Republicans can win... is to become "Moderates" soft on conservatism and squishy in the middle...
the only way Republicans can win...is to be "democrats".... Rush had it right.... McCain had it wrong...
Grow up losers....Peace!
Me- McCain would have won by a landslide if Bush hadn't mucked up the economy as bad as he did.
Even then, he got pretty close in what should have been a route. Of course, he shot himself in the foot when he picked a Retarded Flight Attendant to be his runningmate.
But to the point. A bunch of outsiders came into NY23 and declared that a woman who had served the area in the State Legislature as a Republican for decades wasn't "conservative" enough for their tastes, till the point she said, "Screw it." The sensible Republican people there decided they could live with a Democrat for a year rather than some Bible-thumping teabagger.
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Notice how polite and calm some of the wacked-out progressives get when they are instructing the GOP on how they MUST run moderates to win? LOL...no insults, curses, 'as*shats' or 'nyucks'?
This tells us something. LOL...we ain't buying. |
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Better Owens than Scuzzy, fer sure!
Scuzzy dropping out like a whiny baby really points to the ineptitude of the RINO party.
The third party candidate made a heck of a charge, and given another week or so(to remove the drama of the scuzzy melt-down) he might have pulled it off.
Haha: Kirk! I can't wait to vote against him. We'll be 'progressives' for that vote. You Dems have our household votes if the RINO KIRK in IL is the senate candidate. I'll even put on a bumper sticker for your guy!
Scuzzy just showed the RNC what happens when they run RINO/DIABLOs. They LOSE. Same thing will happen in IL.
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I get a kick out of you Goobers and Gomers lamenting that the only way Republicans can win... is to become "Moderates" soft on conservatism and squishy in the middle...
the only way Republicans can win...is to be "democrats".... Rush had it right.... McCain had it wrong...
Grow up losers....Peace! |
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The GOP cannot win back power by catering to their fringe voters. This is the mistake the Democrats made in the 1980s, when they responded to Jimmy Carter's defeat on economic issues by nominating extremists like Mondale and Duakakis.
The Dems won't hold NY-23 long... but when they do lose, it will be to a moderate Republican.
Here in my state, we have probably the most corrupt Democrat machine in the country. A governor impeached and facing trial. His replacement who raised taxes and a Senator who essentially bought his seat.
If the GOP is going to capitalize, they are going to have to run moderates, not extremists. They have good oppurtunities to take the Senate Seat with Mark Kirk, and to defeat Democrats in traditionally Republican strongholds in the 8th, 11th and 14th districts. So the only question becomes, how many of those oppurtunities are we going to lose to the extremists. |
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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha |
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obamas[sic] epic fall is even more impressive. NEW JERSEY for crying out loud,a solid democrat state said no to the very policys[sic] he pushes for the entire country and virginia a swing state thats[sic] swinging away from the dems versus a 30 day run for the house by a cpa as third party member and it was close ,the dem was much more conservitive[sic] than scuzzyfova anyway . not a big deal stopid[sic] one."
Not really... First, New Jersey always goes the opposite way of the White House. It went to the Democrat McGreevy in 2001 (Despite 9/11) when Bush 'won' The White House, and elected Corzine in 2005 despite the fact McGreevy resigned in disgrace. In 1993, it elected Christie Todd Whitman (a GASP RINO. Or maybe a DIABLO) in reaction to Clinton. In 1989, they elected Florio in response to Bush-41.
By all rights, getting rid of Corzine should have been like shooting fish in a barrel. Unpopular, tainted by corruption, bad economy (worse than the country as a whole). But Christie barely won.
On the other hand, losing NY-23 (after listening to you teabaggers INSIST that it was proof you were ascendant in the party) is a slap by rank and file voters that we've really had enough of your level of crazy.
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funny how you captured the essence of "clay beer googles Allison's" post. Yes, funny indeed. |
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...the Black Knight in the Monty Python sketch.
"I've just cut your arm off!"
"It's but a scratch!"
The lesson here should be obvious. You guys got EXACTLY what you wanted. An idealogically pure "conservative" instead of a moderate who is actually where most Americans are on the issues. You drove that person out of the race with unreleting personal attacks.
And at the end of the day, the sensible people rejected your guy....
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obamas epic fall is even more impressive. NEW JERSEY for crying out loud,a solid democrat state said no to the very policys he pushes for the entire country and virginia a swing state thats swinging away from the dems versus a 30 day run for the house by a cpa as third party member and it was close ,the dem was much more conservitive than scuzzyfova anyway . not a big deal stopid one. |
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Losing two governorships is really nothing as now the dems have yet abnother seat in the house so really the impact of the last night elections show what an utter losers Palin and all the tea party people are ebcuase they have been sayig for weeks that this was going to be the ultimate refferendum on their pathetic little movement.
Neither Christie or McDonnell asked for Sarah's opinion or support in their races-in fact sge was told but out. So I find it currious that the one race she endorsed you people got your buts handed to you in a district that has been notably Republican since the birth of the country. Christie and McDonnel won on local issues and fact based campaigns-which the reast of the GOP can learn from.
Hoffman showed up with the Tea party plattitudes and bunch of fancy endorsement from neocons and has beens and now the momentum is over.
The GOP leadership gets to say we told you idiots so and now the tea party set will try to say that Hoffman really won; just like there were million of tea partiers on the mall!
Can they own up to their utter and abject failure?
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Below the line, I meant to write:
"There isn't any way they would have admitted this had they [not] really thought Obama's appearances could put Corzine over the top." |
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As a kind of take-off of what cavalier973 just said in his previous post-this story was carried by MSNBC on Sunday during Obama's 11th hour rallies for Corzine in NJ:
CAMDEN, N.J. - In a final campaign swing on behalf of the only governor seeking re-election this fall, President Barack Obama on Sunday pitched Democratic Gov. Jon Corzine's bid as a key component for the White House to make good on its political promises.
"He's one of the best partners I have in the White House. We work together," Obama said. "We know our work is far from over."
Obama drew 6,500 people at a rally in Camden and another 11,000 later in Newark, according to White House estimates. He urged supporters to work hard to give Corzine another term in office so he can work with Washington to help repair a brittle economy. A Corzine loss would be seen as a political embarrassment for the White House."
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There isn't any way they would have admitted this had they really thought Obama's appearances could put Corzine over the top. Knowing that the White House and their propaganda arm in the Network News organizations will try to downplay tonight's results, I'm scanning all the archival evidence I can, proving just how important (and how crushing) a defeat this was for Obamaism.
New Jersey and Virginia each have relatively large numbers of electoral votes (15 NJ; 13 V). It is not insignificant that both of these important states went from being Democrat Blue States to Republican Red. That's way more important than what happened anywhere else.
How many MORE states has Obama lost in just 1 year? That's the million dollar question.
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it's curious, if this one election means the end of conservatism, that all the left-leaning websites I'm scanning seem to see tonight as mighty troublesome for the Democrats and especially for Obama.
The Republicans didn't just win the Governorship of VA, it swept the statewide offices as well. What's also interesting is that Independent voters broke for the Republican ticket in a big way. This, despite Pres. Obama personally campaigning for the Democrat candidates in NJ and VA. |
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I agree with you, very well put good sir! |
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I prefer him (a traditional Democrat) to a liberal Democrat posing as a Republican.
And Doug Hoffman has no reason to hang his head. He made a real strong showing. This wasn't a blow-out by any stretch of the imagination, and had the Republicans thrown their support behind a true Republican in the first place, it may have been an even closer race.
Look. The only national significance of this race is that it shows the folly of the Republican Party in trying to enlist non-Republicans to put up against Democrats. It's like having someone aiming their gun at you and saying to them, "You can't beat ME in this election...if I run a more liberal Democrat than you!"
I, for one, am glad the National Republican leadership has egg on it's face. They deserve to. And they would have been taught a lesson whichever candidate won between the two.
That Owens (the Democrat) won, makes it no embarrassement to us Conservatives who supported Hoffman.
The embarrassment belongs to the RNC, who supported a candidate so liberal that once she couldn't get her way...supported the Democrat Party candidate.
That says as much about the RNC's obsession with backing the wrong candidate...as it does about Scozzafava's treachery being there all along.
Had Scozzafava won...she wouldn't have been any help to the Republican cause. She would have been another John McCain.
This is a lesson that had to be learned before next year when the real contests begin.
Our big victory has national implications. 2 Blue states just turned scarlet RED. |
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You can be liberal on social issues and still be a Republican. But if you vote for the stimulus and card check - forget it - you ain't.
You gotta draw the line when it comes to limited govt and believing that rights belong to the individual.
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Nice.
Thanks for making the smile on my face tonight even bigger.
You too Allen. Thanks. Tough night for trolls and RINO's.
And since tribeck has tucked tail and left the building I will bid you all good night.
And it has been a good night. The work starts all over again tomorrow!! |
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via Sarah Palin's facebook:
"Congratulations to the new Governors-Elect of Virginia and New Jersey! I’d also like to offer a special word of support to the new Lieutenant Governor-Elect of New Jersey, Kim Guadagno, the first woman to hold that office.
Of course, the real victors in this election are the ordinary men and women who voted for positive change and a return to fiscal sanity. Your voices have been heard..."
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You wrote:
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She did, I only posted excerpts and not the whole facebook article. |
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'I wish she would congratulate the candidates that actually won."
How did you know she didn't?
Actually you are playing rather long odds if you think she hasn't congratulated them personally.
Not to bright, are you?
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I wish she would congratulate the candidates that actually won. |
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This race was overplayed to begin with. For all the shouting Owen was a middle of the road pro-gun democrat who was much more likely to win in that district. Hoffman did have a good showing under the circumstances.
What is the real story. Republicans who run on limited government and jobs win. Republicans looking to fight the next culture war lose. The former is the kind of conservatives most Americans alighn themselves with.
The tea partiers should keep that in mind and look to helping elect serious intellectual limited government conservatives and not loudmouth red meaters. It will take all the heft needed to turn back the Obama tide. |
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An excerpt from her facebook:
"The race for New York’s 23rd District is not over, just postponed until 2010. The issues of this election have always centered on the economy – on the need for fiscal restraint, smaller government, and policies that encourage jobs. In 2010, these issues will be even more crucial to the electorate. I commend Doug Hoffman and all the other under-dog candidates who have the courage to put themselves out there and run against the odds. To the tireless grassroots patriots who worked so hard in that race and to future citizen-candidates like Doug, please remember Reagan’s words of encouragement after his defeat in 1976:
“The cause goes on. Don't get cynical because look at yourselves and what you were willing to do, and recognize that there are millions and millions of Americans out there that want what you want, that want it to be that way, that want it to be a shining city on a hill.”
The cause goes on.
- Sarah Palin"
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You wrote:
"Hoffman was unknown 30 days ago.
He's a CPA, not a lawyer or pol
He's a Third-party candidate
There was complete pandamonium on the Republican-conservative side of the ticket
The Republican drops out three days ago and endorses the Democrat"
I have just one small correction. Hoffman was an unknown until about 14 days ago (two weeks later than 30 days ago), when Sarah Palin endorsed him. |
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Hoffman was unknown 30 days ago.
He's a CPA, not a lawyer or pol
He's a Third-party candidate
There was complete pandamonium on the Republican-conservative side of the ticket
The Republican drops out three days ago and endorses the Democrat
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Despite ALL of that (and more), Hoffman STILL comes within a few percentage points of winning. Spin however makes you feel better, bud. I view this as a conservative win in the war for an opposition party to the socialists. |
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A good point is that we are experiencing 10% unemployment or that Obama blew a trillion on a stimulus that created no jobs. Now he wants to blow another trillion on a health care that appears to be just a takeover by the feds. But you want to talk about labels like moderate and far right - pretty pointless my friend. |
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'Read Medveds last post."
I have. In fact I'm sure I've read and listened to a lot more Medved that you have.
There are a lot of cons looking for room under the same bus DS just got thrown under for him.
We might need a new bus because off all of the room Corzine is taking up down there.
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You wrote:
"The reports say Hoffman was in the race of 30 days. He's a CPA not a politican. So I say job well done for an unknown candidate fighting an uphill battle"
Actually, Hoffman was not even a serious candidate and was relatively unknown until Sarah Palin endorsed him a mere two weeks ago. |
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He didn't accuse her of beastiality. It was a joke. Sorry you didn't get it. You can say it was in poor taste but you didn't. You seem to have fallen for the MSM line and Dem talking points. And you seem to be promulgating it.
I wonder why?
Now answer this if you will:
"By that I believe you mean any conservative candidate should distance himself from Rush. Or any RINO? I'm not sure what you are saying and what Rush has to do with it exclusivly. He wasn't the only one calling out DS. That is a long list."
As a conservative I'll discuss the Rush factor with you. It makes a positive difference all the way around. Sure there are some things you can object to. The man doesn't walk on water but in all, I find him a positive voice for conservative candidates as well as conservative ideology. But disaster for RINO's. My kind of guy.
Now again. Should all conservative candidates from now on distance themselves from Limbaugh?
Or just the RINO's like DS?
And realistically, what are you going to do about him anyway?
The fairness doctrine? |
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Some perspective...One district that had money and confused thinking (hangover from last year?). What percentage is Rep is that? I know two States are a 10% shift.
You are misguided. Read Medveds last post. Its about the middle ground. Far Right? Like Far Left? Pelosi and Reid are far left. And they are throwing the moderate Dems under the bus everyday. |
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"Tyler" nice name for little boys. Point of fact, Erickson is spot on because there is a war in the GOP between Reagan Conservatives and the DIABLOS. Tonight the GOP elites just learned that the era of the RINOS is over. Sarah Palin has the power to make or break any GOP candidate she wants. Doubt me? Just ask Scozzafava! |
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dont make excuses
far right conservatism lost
GOP message should be - Go Moderate or Go Home. |
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I know the basement crowd will find this offensive - but it doesn't cost that much to get your teeth whitened - especially if you're going on Hannity and Beck to promote your run for national office.
But don't get me wrong - I'd vote for him - but this guy is beyond dull. Whoever runs the republican party in ny totally screwed up an easy win. |
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Whatever happens in Maine remains in Maine - smiles. I believe the marriage issue should be voted on by residents of each state. If Main residents decide to give homosexual marriage a yes then ALL americans should support that choice. On the other hand, if the Main residents decide not to do so i.e. give homosexuals everything but marriage (which is Sir Newton's position) then ALL Americans should respect that decision.
I hate to see what happened in CA because it undermines our system of govt. What makes our nation GREAT is the ability to allow States to Decide How Social, Political and Economic issues will be handled. Our representative system of govt. makes it amazingly diverse and superior to democracy (majority tyranny) or dictatorship.
May the Main Residents Live Happily Ever After to Enjoy Their Decision Tonight. |
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The reports say Hoffman was in the race of 30 days. He's a CPA not a politican. So I say job well done for an unknown candidate fighting an uphill battle.
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Rush accused Dede of Beastiality for having scrWWWd all the RHINO's. The insult got national attention and instead of discussing why Hoffman was the better and clear choice for NY 23 residents - the discussion became Rush's insults and Dede the victim. Well then, 6000 votes for Dede (in rejection to Rush's insults) later and a loss for the conservative (a historic loss might I add) the GOP is silent on the Rush Factor.
I want to see if the GOP has the guts to discuss the Rush Factor. It's operation chaos all over again, without the clinton smiles (I miss them, they are cute together when they smile and hold hands:)) |
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The crap from redstate is total bs. The jerk is trying to save face because he looks as dumb as Boss Limbaugh and Palin. America rejects the far right. Conservatism was defeated fair and square. Quit whining. You lost. Too bad so sad. |
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"I won big time! I saw a lib socialist RINO get booted right out of the party with more to come!"
Exactly!
The seat was never going to a conservative in the first place. The fact that DS could get thrown out in the first place and that it would be so close speaks volumes.
And remember, they get to do it all over next year.
Any of you want to take action on how Hoffman or a like conservative will do in '10 with full backing and without an idiot RINO not in the way?
I'll be giving odds to make it fair to you. |
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Patriotic Liberal writes: Wednesday, November, 04, 2009 12:47 AM
arch
yeah yeah, i don't know much. I do know who won the night, tho, and it warnt you..
Arch says
I won big time! I saw a lib socialist RINO get booted right out of the party with more to come!
You can have them all Pl. Each and every lib should be in your party to add to the depravity of the collective. Decent human beings will come to reject your stupidity and degeneration of human liberty! |
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"The main point is that ANY AMERICAN who is running for office with a platform of less govt. less debt/defecit and lower taxes needs to distance himself from Rush or ask him in private not to engage directly in the campaign."
By that I believe you mean any conservative candidate should distance himself from Rush. Or any RINO? I'm not sure what you are saying and what Rush has to do with it exclusivly. He wasn't the only one calling out DS. That is a long list.
Is this a Rush thing with you? If so, fine. One not need to like Rush to be a conservative. That's not a 'litmus test' I am comfortable with.
I am not sure what you are saying and what Rush did that was any different from other conservatives reaction to DS.
If you care to explain, I am willing to listen.
And love him or hate him, Limbaugh is not about to back down.
So now what??
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yeah yeah, i don't know much. I do know who won the night, tho, and it warnt you.. |
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Patriotic Liberal writes: Wednesday, November, 04, 2009 12:20 AM
ha ha
this is awesome. and i love how Glass acts as though seeing "Democrat" on the ballot was less intimidating than that oddball "Conservative" designation.
You guys take the cake. what an idiotic explanation. You lost in an overwhelmingly Republican district because Americans don't like where the national Republican party is going. period.
This loss undercuts--entirely undercuts--the state races in VA and NJ. Those were local contests.
But in terms of Congress? let them tremble at the lesson of NY-23..
Arch says
My God!! PL has become the master idiot of the net for life everlasting with his recent post!
He does not know much does he? |
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Erik Erikson wrote:
"The race has now been called for Democrat Bill Owens.
This is a huge win for conservatives.
“Whaaaa. . . ?” you say.
There are two big victories at work in New York’s 23rd Congressional District.
First, the GOP now must recognize it will either lose without conservatives or will win with conservatives. In 2008, many conservatives sat home instead of voting for John McCain. Now, in NY-23, conservatives rallied and destroyed the Republican candidate the establishment chose.
I have said all along that the goal of activists must be to defeat Scozzafava. Doug Hoffman winning would just be gravy. A Hoffman win is not in the cards, but we did exactly what we set out to do — crush the establishment backed GOP candidate.
And make no mistake, despite the Beltway spin, we know for certain based on statements from the local Republican parties, that they chose Scozzafava based on advice from the Washington crowd.
So we have demonstrated to the GOP that it must not take conservatives for granted. The GOP spent $900,000.00 on a Republican who dropped out and endorsed the Democrat. Were we to combine Scozzafava and Hoffman’s votes, Hoffman would have won.
Secondly, and just as importantly, there has all of a sudden been a huge movement among some activists to go the third party route. We see in NY-23 that this is not possible as third parties are not viable.
Third parties lack funding and ability for a host of reasons. Conservatives are going to have to work from within the GOP. The GOP had better pay attention.
For all intents and purposes, NY-23 is a trial run for Florida. And in Florida, the conservative candidate is operating inside the GOP. If John Cornyn and the NRSC do not want to see Florida go the way of NY-23, they better stand down."
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this is awesome. and i love how Glass acts as though seeing "Democrat" on the ballot was less intimidating than that oddball "Conservative" designation.
You guys take the cake. what an idiotic explanation. You lost in an overwhelmingly Republican district because Americans don't like where the national Republican party is going. period.
This loss undercuts--entirely undercuts--the state races in VA and NJ. Those were local contests.
But in terms of Congress? let them tremble at the lesson of NY-23..
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You wrote:
"The NRCC spent $900K on Scozzafava. A nobody like Hoffman really could have used that money.
Of course, opportunity cost dictates that Congressional Republicans could have used that money in '10 as well. Win or lose, this race should be a 2x4 to the GOP establishment."
Well, as I posted elsewhere the era of the DIABLOS (Democrat In All But Name Only) is over. Also, some will claim that this was a defeat for Sarah Palin, but I disagree this race shows that she can make or break a GOP candidate, like she broke Scozzafava. It was an uphill battle to get Hoffman elected against two party machines, and he was beaten by only a few percentage points after coming from a distant thrid place just two weeks ago. But hopefully the RNC took notice that the era of the RINO is over. Sarah Palin will see to that.
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tribeck writes: Tuesday, November, 03, 2009 11:52 PM
arch
If Hoffman wins, I will apologize to Rush supporters if Hoffman loses will you acknowledge that Rush's comments impacted the race to Hoffman's disadvantage?
We can at least be honest about that one simple fact. Why would a conservative lose a district that has been conservative for EVER?
Please don't say because Dede endorsed Owen's. It was the Rush factor and it's not good for any candidate.
Arch says.
I still do not think Rush has anything to do with New York 23 politics. He has his opinions like any commentator. If the voters elect a democrat, then they are majority democrats that live there. They screw themselves by voting democrat and they deserve what they get!
Rush does not endorse candidates anyway. Never has! Why don't you think Rush has valid opinions worth listening to? |
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I do listen to Levin and Prager and Hewitt. I also listen to Rush because let's face it he does influence about 10 million voters who tend to lean republican. Any politically minded person listens to Rush - including Obama Hacks.
The main point is that ANY AMERICAN who is running for office with a platform of less govt. less debt/defecit and lower taxes needs to distance himself from Rush or ask him in private not to engage directly in the campaign.
It's less about me and the rebuilding of our republic which requires a joint session of 'we the people'. |
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The NRCC spent $900K on Scozzafava. A nobody like Hoffman really could have used that money.
Of course, opportunity cost dictates that Congressional Republicans could have used that money in '10 as well.
Win or lose, this race should be a 2x4 to the GOP establishment.
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"Why would a conservative lose a district that has been conservative for EVER"
If Scozzafava would have won, would you still call it a conservative district?
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"I am a conservative who can't stand Rush's race baiting and 'operation chaos' manouvres that hurts candidates"
That's easy to solve.
Don't listen.
Try Levin instead.
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If Hoffman wins, I will apologize to Rush supporters if Hoffman loses will you acknowledge that Rush's comments impacted the race to Hoffman's disadvantage?
We can at least be honest about that one simple fact. Why would a conservative lose a district that has been conservative for EVER?
Please don't say because Dede endorsed Owen's. It was the Rush factor and it's not good for any candidate. |
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Rush did not support Christie - that much. In fact, he said 'he may as well win, but even if he doesn't' and continued to say why McDonnell's win was bad for the president.
The truth is that Rush hurt Hoffman when he decided to get insulting to Dede and americans voted against Rush's Comments a.k.a Hoffman by voting for the 3rd candidate.
Any candidate who wants to win should call Rush in private and say - please don't get engaged directly with my campaign.
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"There were more than 10,000 absentee votes sent out before the election and some 5,800 were returned and must be counted. More absentee ballots, if sent before the deadline, could still be received."
Do votes for Scozzafava get tossed out? Could this one go to the courts?
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Rush also supported Christie and McDonnell.
Cribeck forgot about that.
Rush was right. Hoffman went in against all odds and two political machines. The republicans better sit up strait and listen, and then get in the fight.
And will somebody tell michael steele not to bring a knife to a gunfight.
Message sent and delivered, win or lose in NY 23.
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...whether Hoffman wins or not one undenialable truth is that we conservatives were right about Scozzafava. She was not fit to be a Republican Congressman, she would have backstabbed the GOP just like she did when she endorsed Owens. On the upside look how a third party conservative candidate crushed a RINO in the pre-election polls and the general vote. The lesson to be learned? RINOS you are an endangered species and soon to be extint, your days of winning elections and then voting with Demoncrats are over, end of story. |
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tribeck writes: Tuesday, November, 03, 2009 11:16 PM
Rush Hurt Hoffman - lessons for 2010
Chairman Steele was right to try and 'contain' Rush Limbaugh. While other conservatives are winning Hoffman is struggling in a district that has ALWAYS voted republican. Why? Rush insulted Dede then proceeded to use his big ego to make the race about 'him and his agenda' - AMERICANS DON'T LIKE RUSH and if Hoffman loses tonight, he can blame Rush Limbaugh for 'butting in' and giving the fair minded americans a reason to vote against NOT HOFFMAN but RUSH LIMBAUGH.
Limbaugh is not good for any candidate. McCain lost about 5 points when Obama ran ads. connecting him to Rush Limbaugh.
I am a conservative who can't stand Rush's race baiting and 'operation chaos' manouvres that hurts candidates. Rush's operation chaos gave us an obama presidency and now it may give us Owens the first democrat to hold that district in over 10+ years.
RUSH LIMBAUGH mmmm mmm mmm. The candidates running should distance themselves from Rush (in private of course, in case the limbots revolt).
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Hoffman will win and tribeck will wear egg on his face. Rush was right! |
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You're wrong about so much. |
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Hoffman gains ground. In the past hour, Owens lead has diminished from 3,443 to 2,512. |
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Chairman Steele was right to try and 'contain' Rush Limbaugh. While other conservatives are winning Hoffman is struggling in a district that has ALWAYS voted republican. Why? Rush insulted Dede then proceeded to use his big ego to make the race about 'him and his agenda' - AMERICANS DON'T LIKE RUSH and if Hoffman loses tonight, he can blame Rush Limbaugh for 'butting in' and giving the fair minded americans a reason to vote against NOT HOFFMAN but RUSH LIMBAUGH.
Limbaugh is not good for any candidate. McCain lost about 5 points when Obama ran ads. connecting him to Rush Limbaugh.
I am a conservative who can't stand Rush's race baiting and 'operation chaos' manouvres that hurts candidates. Rush's operation chaos gave us an obama presidency and now it may give us Owens the first democrat to hold that district in over 10+ years.
RUSH LIMBAUGH mmmm mmm mmm. The candidates running should distance themselves from Rush (in private of course, in case the limbots revolt). |
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.. Hoffman is doing WAY better than Scozzafava would have otherwise. This is why we choose our candidates in primaries. |
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Funny if Hoffman loses the media will say that it was Hoffman's fault despite that DIABLO Republican Scozzafava endorsed the Democrat, techniquely making her the spoiler for Owens. If Scozzafava remained in the race then Hoffman would still be seen as the spoiler in the race. Folks, the bottem line is that Scozzafava showed her true colors when she endorsed a Democrat when the rest of the Republican Party was endorsing Hoffman. This sympathy she has with the Democrats is why we conservatives could not allow her to be elected to congress, she would have been a reliable vote for the Democrats. Still even if Hoffman loses the message remains to the RINOS, we conservatives are not going to vote for you anymore and it is better to have liberal Democrat than an equally liberal Republican in office. Short and simple, RINOS you can run but you will not win without us and we will not vote for you anymore. |
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I am thinking the 13% under perform was miscalculated or that it was from early (or maybe some undead) voters and that it really is a neck & neck race.
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will include a discussion of her pushing Mr. Owen after claiming herself a 'good Republican.'
Hoffman has butted his head against odds. If he prevails, great for his district. If not, his role has been salutary for us all.
The Jersey and Virginia races, (coat tail margins in Virginia, as well) have been a strong reaffirmation of our conservative middle America pulses.
Radicals in the Administration are being rejected at the ground level.
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But hey! Still a good showing.
As far as I can tell, only in Hamilton County have all the precincts reported: Hoffman 50%, Owens 38%, D.S. 12%. |
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