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Thursday, September 04, 2008
McCain's Moment: "Change Is Coming"
Posted by: Hugh Hewitt at 10:10 PM
"I am not in the habit of breaking my promises to my country, and neither is Governor Palin."

In a strong speech that crescendoed to a stirring close, Senator McCain laid out a classically conservative series of policy objectives, with a large emphasis on education reform --a very smart priority for the fall campaign.  And his pledge to shake the spending culture of Washington to its roots is as sincere as it is overdue.

McCain's rhetorical stride, always steady from his gracious-to-Obama beginning through his response to scattered hecklers --"Please don't be diverted by the ground noise and the static"-- gained momentum when he turned to energy and then beyond that to the war,

"We must see the threats to liberty clearly," was the point at which McCain began to leave Obama in the rear view mirror.  The more he talked --about al Qaeda and Iran, about "the brave people of Georgia"--the more his thorough seriousness about the job ahead contrasted most sharply with the absurdity of Obama's claim to be prepared for the presidency and the job of Commander-in-Chief."

"I am not afraid of them," he said of the world's thugs.  "I am prepared for them."

"I know how the world works, the good and evil in it," he declared. 
"I know how to secure the peace."

Early on, McCain announced: "But let there be no doubt, my friends, we are going to win this election."

The contrast between McCain and Obama is so sharp, the vast gulf between the former's sacrifice, service and experience and the latter's extravagant sense of self so wide, that there is every reason to believe McCain.





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K.G. writes: Saturday, September, 06, 2008 3:09 PM
Neo: Bustin' Thru that Glass Ceiling
Did you hear the two old lady Hillary supporters on Roger Hedgecock this a.m.? They were delegates in Denver, drove there in an RV, and were heartbroken when they we unable to cast their votes for Hillary. They claim that the Hillary supporters were strong-armed into supporting Obama, threatened with their careers in the Dem party if they didn't go along.

Their despair turned to outrage as the traveled east toward home. Their anger led them to turn north toward St. Paul, where they found other disenfrancised Hill supporters.

Spurred by the MSM attack on Palin, they have taken up their new cause celebre: Equal Rights for women to hold high office. They feel that if they allow the powers that be to do to Palin what they did to Clinton, "there never will be a woman in high office."

For them it's do-or-die, now-if-ever. They are taking Hill's words, "if the dogs come after you, keep running" to mean to jump off the Dem ship and support Palin.

Gender rights trump party.

The Palin phenom is way bigger than anyone knows. There is a groundswell of support for Palin and a tsunami of outrage toward the snobby MSM and the strong-arming Dems over this.

Pitbulls in lipstick with hockey sticks are comin' to a Main St. near you--poking at those 18 million cracks in the glass ceiling.

K.G. writes: Saturday, September, 06, 2008 12:33 PM
Amen, Erin
Yeah, reform is just another word for change...except reform implies change for the better.

Obama's mantra "change" could mean anything. Kemet, here's where you libs to wrong. Of course, there's always a need for change (unless you fall over dead and go to heaven), but your assume because Bush is bad Obama will be better.

No so, my friend.

On every issue that Obama wants to change, his policies have great potential to make things worse:

Taxing employeers when unemployment is going up (no lost jobs--just no new ones for kids getting out of school), defunding the military, screwing with health care in a cataclysmic way, growing the dang nanny state, etc. etc.

YOU need to lay off that KoolAid.

PS: How old are you? Every dang politician since Geo. Washington has run on a platform of change. Some make it happen; some don't. Palin did. Barack never has.

Check out Chicago.
Erin writes: Saturday, September, 06, 2008 11:19 AM
kemet...
Wow, another astroturfer. Say hey to jugears and soros, 'kay pal?

"As educated American voters we have to think and not react out of emotions."

You better hope that doesn't happen, or your man obie is toast.

"Only a politically ignorant person would believe that after three decades in Washington that all of a sudden Mc Cain is now some how an outsider and a reformer of government."

And only a truly ignorant person would believe after less then 5 months in Washington and a stint as a bagman for rezko in chicago, b.hussein is qualified to be president.

"Why didn't he run as a CHANGE or REFORM candidate in his last two bouts for the White House?"

Man, you obamadrones aren't even getting good material anymore. He did, you nit.

"Mc Cain has high jack Obama's message REFORM/CHANGE as his own."

First, that's "hijacked"- if you're going to cut and paste someone else's thoughts, at least do it right. How does voting the straight Dem ticket 97% of the time represent change and reform? Oh that's right, it doesn't.

"Have anyone notice that REFORM is another word for CHANGE. Please people lets wake up."

And has anyone noticed that "Obama" is another word for "empty suit"? Again, you better hope people don't wake up, or your man is toast.

There's more, but it's just badly written pseudo-drivel put together by obie's team to make us think whoever you are is a "conservative".

What a sad little effort. FAIL.

Begone, astroturfing obamadrone.





NeoConScum writes: Saturday, September, 06, 2008 11:16 AM
K.G...Don'tcha LUV It ? Gloria Steinham
and Lady MacClinton out defending Metro-Boy!

How about some of those "Babes" from the NAGS(Rush's label for NOW--Nat'l Asso. of Gals!)??

Panic in the Demowit Streets! Hope Hillary puts that luscious caboose back in the Dandy Pumpkin Pantsuit! Looked yummy at the DNC.
Kemet writes: Saturday, September, 06, 2008 3:24 AM
Don't be FOOLED
As educated American voters we have to think and not react out of emotions. Only a politically ignorant person would believe that after three decades in Washington that all of a sudden Mc Cain is now some how an outsider and a reformer of government. Why now? Why this run for the presidency? Why didn't he run as a CHANGE or REFORM candidate in his last two bouts for the White House? Mc Cain has high jack Obama's message REFORM/CHANGE as his own. If Obama wouldn't have expressed the effective and much needed message of CHANGE, Mc Cain wouldn’t be running as a REFORM candidate. Have anyone notice that REFORM is another word for CHANGE. Please people lets wake up. Like the great O'Reilly always says, "Don’t be a Kool-Aid drinker". So the heck with the "talking points" and lets start using some "thinking points". The only time he's been a MAVERICK/REFORMER is against social conservative issues. This is why conservatives have always been uneasy with McCain. He has consistently over three decades attempted to CHANGE/REFORM the face of Regan Conservatism. He has never been a MAVERICK/REFORMER against policies that are out of touch with everyday Americans. The Mc Cain camp has jumped on the Obama band wagon of CAHNGE and attempting to claim it as theirs. This is a great political strategy (TRICK). Lets be good Americans, not easily fooled Americans. Now If Palin was at the top of the ticket and Mc Cain at the bottom with Palin initiating the REFORM/CHANGE message then maybe they could "break some china".
K.G. writes: Saturday, September, 06, 2008 12:22 AM
Neo: Unleash the Dogs of War!!!!
BamBam, the baby we've all been waiting for, may be able to take on every dictator known to man, but when it comes to Miss Saracudda, he has to call in the A-team:

Liberal b----ches to take on the conservative pitbull in lipstick.
Huey writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 11:36 PM
Most don't get it
But, 5 years from now, while we may remember how Palin spoke so well, we won't remember much about what she said. 5 years from now, many of us will remember clearly what McCain said about himself and why the reins of this country should be placed in his hands.

60 days from now, as people contemplate in those final moments alone in the booth who to choose, those 40 million who heard McCain's words will also remember what he said, the journey from self-absorbed "fly-boy" to a person serving something greater than himself and choose McCain.

NeoConScum writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 10:50 PM
LUV IT...Bammy-the Warrior Man-Is Trott-
ing out the Demofemales to combat that troubling(make that Panic Inspiring..)All American REAL DEAL Girl from Alaska. These Punks are wonderful to watch in panic & flummoxing!

Ya know what I love too? Just like Annie Coulter has always maintained: True Babes are Conservative.
Erin writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 6:00 PM
but we digress....
On the same evening McCain was doing a decent but not great job accepting the nomination, the giant Zero was spastically flailing about trying to avoid admitting how collosally wrong he was about the surge. Yeah, judgement- you tell 'em, urkel X.

The mere fact that he appeared on tv the same night as McCain's acceptance shows the uh, character of the er, man. Stay classy there, b.hussein. Might want to check what McCain did on your big night- perhaps you could learn something.

But we digress- to this point, noone from lefty land has been able to answer me this simple question:

What is there on b.hussein's wafer thin resume that indicates he has the experience or depth to be president? Here's what I see that the empty suit has done:

Community Organizer- magically made a pile of federal money disappear, nothing else.

State senator- magically produced a pile of "present" votes, nothing else.

US senator- barely got the seat warm (143 days), then declared for the presidency. Produced no legislature, did nothing of note. Magically produced a new persona of "post partisanship", despite voting along party lines 97 PERCENT OF THE TIME.

So what am I missing?

Captain Uh recently tried to claim "running" his campaign gave him executive experience(?)- this being doubly absurd, as he isn't running his campaign, and a campaign is in no way public service. A public nuisance in his case, but definitely not public service.

Then some other dopes affiliated with mr. Zero tried to claim "community organizing" was qualifying experience. Believe our local astroturfer fbear tried to float this one.

So anyway- b.hussein. Unfit, unskilled, inexperienced.

Why again are we not discussing whether he should be Cook County Assistant Treasurer?


Amillennialist writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 5:40 PM
fbear promoting half-truths . . .
Which shouldn't be surprising coming from a liberal.

The Constitution guarantees rights to American citizens, not enemy combatants.
cottoneyed writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 5:37 PM
One thing every bit as true
as the sun coming up in the east, is that leftists like the pathetic one, can never ever, back up their assertions, never. For their world is, fantasies, declarations, theories, and most of all, flights of fancy. So, Clarity, my reminder is not to seek an answer, but to apply the "needle" to leftist, riff raff, like the "pathetic one", knowing full well that he cannot produce that which he so proudly proclaimed, he could. You can call him out, but he will not ever show. Isn't that always, the story of the left.
Bill  writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 5:23 PM
Bill O
I believe Bill is in the bag for Obama.

Never did trust the man, and now I trust him even less.

If McCain happens to win he needs the entire conservative base to write him letters telling him he is dead in four years if he signs into law amnesty
Salty Alaskan writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 5:22 PM
fbear
Wow, you're all over the place. I'm assuming since you haven't responded to Athingortwo's very reasoned explanations that you really aren't interested in dialogue, but rather proving some arcane point. That said, I'm going to attempt an honest response.

Our system of Federalism outlines 2 specific areas of fiscal responsibilities for the feds, national defense and commerce. The military, transportation and energy are constitutionally supported uses for federal funds. So, roads, dams, airports (and airlines), military bases, etc are necessary to the national welfare.

States have similar responsibilities, limited of course to their state boundaries, and superceded by the feds in certain cases, some of which I just mentioned.

The interstate (and some intrastate) highway system falls under both military and commerce clauses. In most states, building roads satisfies constitutional obligations at both the state and federal levels. AK (and HI) is a special case for a few reasons, not least of which is geography. My example of the AMHS was meant to edify you on the geographical difficulty of the feds and state in meeting their constitutional obligations. I.e., that instead of being able to build a road system, the state has to maintain a ferry system, which is expensive.

I'll give you a friendly warning right now not to go down the health care or education path. Neither of those are constitutional federal obligations, and are specifically state and local issues.

However, if you want to begin a campaign to amend the constitution and add those as federal requirements, have at it.
Bill  writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 5:12 PM
First 90 Days
If McCain wins the White House and I hope he does, the first thing needs to be done is begin pressing for Oil Drilling and Oil independence from the Nice people that hates our guts.

Second is builing Nuclear plants on closed military bases.

Third is building Oil refineries on closed military bases.

Get rid of the permit process and lets go to work.

If this fails chances are the entire McCain admin will be a failure.

And every day you will sit and watch the news programs telling about why Harry Reid/ Nancy Pelosi is crazy.

cottoneyed writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 4:56 PM
Believe me, pathetic one,
routing you, daily, is definitely a "free ride". Your as easy as was one half of the "dual fools", the one the only, and the jettisoned, "the bjob". Still, "scalin' back" or are you, slumming?
clarityseeker writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 4:37 PM
Pathological Liberal posting count
number of posts so far on this thread:
Four


Yep, he's still, "scaling back".
He's "got better things to do with his time".
clarityseeker writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 4:31 PM
cotton
you can ask for accountability or reconciliation from Pathological Liberal 'til the cows come home.
He's not forthcoming. Neither is he to the fundamental challenge I've put to him for one month now.

He claimed he was, "scaling back" from posting here. He has done nothing of teh sort---contrarily, he has posted as much and more often on many threads.

He claimed he, "has better things to do with his time now". Ths has been proven untrue as well. He jumps on many of these threads with predictably liberal pablum, hardly productive, incredibly far reaching, and flat out untruths. It's become clear he really does not have better things to do with his time---as he so narcissistically felt the need to shout out to the world.

Cotton, do not hold your breath---he cannot back up his own comments, period.

Top of the day to you.

>:D
cottoneyed writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 4:15 PM
Oh wait, i see the "pathetic one"
posting, have you come up with those, "explicit scriptures" yet, "o pathetic one". Notice, i did not end that sentence with a question mark.

Waiting.......
Col Bat Guano writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 4:15 PM
fbear
"What's wrong with We the People owning land?" "We the People" means you and me, not bureaucrats in DC. Alaskan displeasure with Washington DC locking up most of the state goes waaaaayyy back. In the early 80's a friend of mine (Alaskan ex-pat as am I) was wearing a "Free Alaska" t-shirt. Upon asking him what that was about I learned this when Federal possession of most of the state was reaching maximum velocity.

I would advise you not to argue for socialist ownership of property in Alaska. You could wind up as the main course in a grizzly (not f) bear trap.
Bill Cross writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 4:11 PM
folks, it's getting worse.
as a conservative republican what am i to do?

now according to patriotic liberal i have to bear the responsibility of being a degenerate.

and that's in addition to the huge responsibilities i carry in being a stalinist, nazi, troglodyte, knuckledragger and dare i say ... neanderthal.

i looked hard last night at the faces surrounding me at bible study. i wanted to bare my soul about being a stalinist, nazi, troglodyte and knuckledragger.

but all the folks wanted to talk about was jesus, stocking the food bank for the hungry and forgiveness.

this is unbearable.
cottoneyed writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 4:09 PM
"angel666" its your side
thats "fascist", leftists/socialists/communists/ all totalitarians, absolutely unable to tolerate liberty because where there is liberty, leftists/socialists/communists cannot survive. Whether you consider, Hitler or Stalin, Chavez or Castro, there is not an ounce worth of difference in any of them. All ruled or rule by decree and all eliminated, what is to you leftists, a four letter word, that is, LIBERTY. It is you, and your historic side, angel666, that is most assuredly, FASCIST.

You use that "fascist" label around here, angel666, and your going to get it shoved right back in your, leftist/socialist/communist/totalitarian, "FASCIST" face.
Patriotic Liberal writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 3:57 PM
Nice backdrop in Mac's speech
Walter Reed middle school in LA? Looks like someone googled the wrong photo. Nice. I'm sure the gods are laughing--wave the bloody banner a few times too many and you are setting yourself up for a joke of cosmic magnitude.
southsider writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 3:54 PM
The music, fbear
at the convention would be confined to C&W stuff like Big & Rich if they actually had to get permission from the artist. Mind you, I have nothing against C&W; I love Willie, Merle, Emmylou and Johnny. However, that is just too funny. MCCain was already sued by Jackson Browne. Wonder if Fogerty likes the use of "Center Field"; wouldn't think so if you have listened to his "Revival". So much for respecting property of others.
Patriotic Liberal writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 3:52 PM
athingortwo
I can't speak for the other lefties, but my idea was initially to engage conservatives with the idea of learning something. I knew that I was conservative in a cultural and civic sense.

After two years, I became convinced that American conservatism is irreversibly degenerate. You cannot dialog with them--nor with any fool who thinks he has all the ultimate answers--but you CAN demoralize him. Which is why I'm here. Can't speak for the other guys. I'm here because fools and clowns and other assorted puke do not deserve free rides..
cottoneyed writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 3:49 PM
Day 3 of our girl, Sarah,
having her way with the "wimp", obambi. Scalding is her assault on the "wimps" lack of experience, both to be POTUS or to be a man. Today, the "wimp" said that global warming is "not some liberal, sprout eating, tree hugging thing, it's real and the polar ice caps are melting". Look for Sarah, the next 2 months, to make this fool, look like a sprout eating, tree hugging liberal, WIMP.

While we are talking about, strong women, what is it about you leftists, that you just can't tolerate strong women. You denied, Hillary, her due, instead choosing a "clean, articulate, half white MAN. And now your ire is directed at a truly strong woman, one who has a bigger set than you, and who is far more competent, and "manly" than the effeminate, obambi. Lets face facts, the tyrants of the world, would laugh out loud, if obambi were across the table and our Military would not respond to an effeminate Commander in Chief. This would not be a pretty picture, Achmedinutter, "female dog" slapping, the "wimp".

I'm going to enjoy our "lipsticked pit bull", running rough shod, over the "wimp", these next 2 months.
eddie too writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 3:23 PM
Pat Lib,

stop it. You are killing me. Are you a stand up comic in the real world. Barry O. is true to his ideals?

He just cast his grandmother, his pastor, his priest buddy, his political supporters (Bill and Bernadette), and his financial buddies (Rezko) under the bus. Is there anyone from his past he can ask for references and an objective person would say, "He has good references"? He will not even talk about his past.

Barry is running for POTUS and is trying to keep his past secret. That tells a person alot.
Virginia Patriot writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 3:18 PM
salty
I was kidding, my brother-in-law has a Glock 19, nice little gun. I admit to being old school, I like single action. Have never gotten used to the Glock trigger either.
Cicero writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 3:06 PM
"Accommodating", atot?
I would think you'd at least want to back up your words. Too bad it took so much effort on my part to get you to do so.

"I suggested that you are in with the John Birchers because you write about stuff in ways that can be characterized as, apparently as you yourself refer to it, are 'paleocon'".

News flash, son: all Birchers are paleocons. Not all palecons are Birchers. The Venn diagram thing.

"The John Birch Society is the original home of the paleocon fringe groups dating back to the early 1960s, occupying the extreme right end of conservative ideology."

Uh, no, you're wrong. If you want to be right instead, start educating yourself on the genesis of modern paleoconservatism by reading that Wiki article I linked above. The JBS is merely one paleocon group, more or less a conspiratorial-oriented one, that has historically had little to do with traditionalist conservatism. Precisely why it's not mentioned in the Wiki article.

"Your defense of the respect 'due' Vlad Putin, and your blathering about 'who lost Russia'" . . . .

You can call it "blathering" until you're blue in the face, but until you've demonstrated that you've both read and come to grips with the materials I referenced (most importantly the Buchanan article), I'll simply have to conclude that you simply don't know what you're talking about.

". . .(as if any American politician had even the slightest influence on thousands of years of in-bred Russian nationalism and empire-building) does nothing to diminish the John Birch-ness of your rhetoric."

Ah yes, all the fault of the "Bear." An argument that amply demonstrates your poor grasp of history, both medieval and modern. Why don't you start with the Buchanan article and then work your way back?
fbear writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 2:53 PM
Federal Ownership
What's wrong with We the People owning land?

And what would you do with the land if you owned Denali? Put a resort on the summit?

If I move to Alaska, how has the Federal Government "taken" anything from me by already owning land?

So, I get that Salty Alaskan was "just explaining" why Alaskans get so much from the Fed. Govt., but I also noticed no complaints about it.
paddy o'furniture writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 2:53 PM
Cross
Townhall is no place for on-the-job training....! :-)
james beam writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 2:51 PM
angel666
you really need to examine the word fascist .a good example of american fascism would be the roosevelt administration during the thirties. state run programs ,seizing of private property putting people in concentration camps .that was a true facist goverment . start there before you start hurling the facist name about.
fbear writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 2:47 PM
Intellectual Property Rights
Wouldn't it be great if the G.O.P. started respecting them?

http://www.popeater.com/music/article/back-off-of-our-barra cuda-maverick/161983

If you're using a song to sell something, like a campaign, you need to get permission before using.
Bill Cross writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 2:46 PM
folks, it's confession time
i'm feeling a lot of pressure being a stalinist, a nazi, a troglodyte and a knucklebragger.

i need mentors on how to do the job effectively.

as everybody knows the republican party is dead in that 99.9999% of us citizens are voting obambi according to 666angel666, "randy", winesnob, brob, pl and ll.

and since only republicans (the few remaining) are stalinists, nazi's, troglodytes and knuckledraggers where do i look for mentors with so few republicans in the country.

i want to be a model stalinist, nazi, troglodyte and knuckledragger.

so will somebody - anybody - help me out.

i'm really feeling the pressure to live up (down) to the expectations of the 99.99999% obambi voting bloc.

please help.
athingortwo writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 2:41 PM
Now, Paddy, be nice to Angel
She's probably all worn out from her four day orgy of breaking store windows and crashing speeches in St. Paul. She needs a few days to unwind so that she can go back to her job in the Revolution.
paddy o'furniture writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 2:37 PM
Angel and susie are here....
What happened....? Lesbian orgy finish early....?

angel66 writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 2:32 PM
The GOP party of fascism:
"can a law be enacted to toss in the pokey for a year? i'm i harsh for wanting them to dragged out by their hair and beaten?"

This is why the GOP has forfeited their right to lead. Many of you are Stalinists at heart. Who knew?
athingortwo writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 2:22 PM
OK, Cicero, just to be accommodating
I'll bite:

I suggested that you are in with the John Birchers because you write about stuff in ways that can be characterized as, apparently as you yourself refer to it, are "paleocon". The John Birch Society is the original home of the paleocon fringe groups dating back to the early 1960s, occupying the extreme right end of conservative ideology. Your defense of the respect "due" Vlad Putin, and your blathering about "who lost Russia" (as if any American politician had even the slightest influence on thousands of years of in-bred Russian nationalism and empire-building) does nothing to diminish the John Birch-ness of your rhetoric.

But I stand here prepared to be convinced that you are in fact an agent of some other flavor of extreme right wing/non-mainstream con ideology, besides the Birchers.

Please, enlighten us.
Salty Alaskan writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 2:13 PM
VPat
Plastics! Big future in plastics son!

Come on VPat, we've got tanks with ceramic armor, we can have pistols with plastic.

You paleos need to stop your ossified ways and embrace the future *smile*.
athingortwo writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 2:12 PM
fbear - you missed Salty's point
Salty was not advocating for any particular subsidies for Alaska, he was just pointing out why the subsidies are requested by Alaskans. I believe Salty actually gave, as the most important reason for the relatively high ratio of Federal benefits to taxes paid in Alaska, is that it's due to the corrupt pork barrel crowd of Murkowski/Stevens/Young.

One can make a justification for Alaskan pork on the basis that the Feds impounded 60% of their State's land area to begin with (meaning, that land if off the State tax rolls), and the payments are considered by most Alaskans as "payments in kind" for their land. The high Fed Benefit:tax ratio is pretty much how it is in virtually every rural state in the Western US, where Federal land ownership runs greater than 50%.

Hey, I'm a resident of a very large "donor" state (FL). But I don't get too upset about it, though ... it's really not a bad bargain for the rest of us "donors" because in return we get to have fabulous energy reserves (sigh ... if only the Dems would let us drill), and we also get to maintain fabulous unspoiled wilderness, parks, and recreational areas in States like Alaska, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Utah, etc.

But, we don't get to have our cake and eat it too. If the Feds are going to insist on owning most of a western state like Alaska, then we can't very well tell the natives to fend for themselves, and by the way, while you're at it, keep our gas tanks filled too.

If your point is that somehow it's Sarah Palin's fault that Alaska makes out on the Federal spending balance sheet, then you're barkin' up the wrong tree, fella. She's on the good guys side.
Salty Alaskan writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 2:07 PM
fbear
So government subsidies and socialism are the same thing to you?

Now I'm starting to get the undeducated vs. "thoughtful liberal" vibe, but maybe I'm just not picking up what you're laying down. I'm going to need a little more help from you here.
Cicero writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 2:05 PM
I asked you first, atot
Answer my question, and I'll more than gladly answer yours.

By what manner of logic did you conclude I'm a Bircher? (Sound of fingers tapping on table.)
Virginia Patriot writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 2:05 PM
Plastic Guns, Baaahhhh
Guns should be made of steel or at least have an alloy frame. Plastic is O.K. for grips, although wood or rubber is better. Nothing better than a .45 for stopping power, but I can hit farther away with my Browning Hi-Power.
Salty Alaskan writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 2:02 PM
Cicero
Now, don't start talking sweet to get on Paddy's good side. He'd probably just take a direct apology.

But, gotta respect your choice. No half measure with the 21. I'm a Glock fan as well, but I had a 1911 as a kid so I get Paddy's choice.
athingortwo writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 2:00 PM
Cicero wants to play "Clue"
OK ... Cicero's muttering something about venn diagrams, paleoconservatism, and "who lost Russia?", and beating us all up for not being sufficiently respectful of KGB thug-turned President and Liberator-of-South-Ossetia Vlad Putin ... ummmmm, OK, Cicero ... I give!

Pray tell us, WHAT are you (a "KGB-con"?) ... and pray tell, what is your point, exactly?

We can't take the suspense any longer.



paddy o'furniture writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 1:53 PM
Salty
I have two other .45's, but I also have two 9mm's (both Sigs) and a .22. The right tool for the job I always say....
Cicero writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 1:51 PM
Salty.
Wuss. The .40S&W is a mere wannabe. Nothing but the Glock 21 for me.
fbear writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 1:49 PM
Salty Alaskan
Please tell us, why are government subsidies okay for poor rural Alaskans, and not for poor inner-city kids?
Cicero writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 1:49 PM
Ken - Huh?
Once more, please. And this time in English.

BTW, wouldn't that be "*tsar* and feather"?
Salty Alaskan writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 1:49 PM
Paddy
Stopping power, and Amerian too! You traditionalist you.

I was taught a long time ago, "no 9mm, they might still get to you". You must have received the same lesson, but learned it better.
Cicero writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 1:47 PM
Not my hot button, rae
My laugh button.

Some kind of logic you're employing there, BTW.
Salty Alaskan writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 1:43 PM
fbear
That is your idea of socialism?

I'm at a bit of a loss where to start with you. I'm not sure if you're being a "thoughtful liberal" or are really this uneducated? Can you help me here?
paddy o'furniture writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 1:41 PM
Salty
Sure, except in my case, it's a Kimber TLE/RL II .45 with a 300 lumen light attached.

Heeeeere Mr. Burglaaaaar.....
fbear writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 1:39 PM
Townhallers...
"- they have no tolerance for those who are to their left ... which would be about 99.5% of the US population."

Just sayin'.
fbear writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 1:37 PM
Socialism
"As an example, Southeast Alaska is comprised of several small towns, all on islands, or at least not linked to any interstate road system. The Alaska Marine Highway System (ferries) primarily services those towns, with connections to WA and Anchorage. It is hugely expensive, but without it, those communities would suffer tremendous economic harm. There is no viable alternative, so the state sucks it up every year, even though the cost/benefit ratio doesn't make sense on a purely economic basis."

Isn't that "socialism"? Having the state provide for the needs of those who otherwise wouldn't be able to get by?

Why is that good in some cases, and "evil" in others? Is it only good when it's for people who live in rural areas, and not for people who live in cities?

Why is it okay to recognize the deficiencies of our economic system when it hurts folks in rural areas, but not when it hurts people in cities?
Salty Alaskan writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 1:37 PM
Paddy
Shouldn't all respectable gun clingers have a burgler-be-good Glock .40 handy next to the bed?

Something we can all agree upon, no?

Amnesty Now!
rae writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 1:33 PM
Cicero
Glad to have pushed your hot button! I must be right if YOU felt the need to respond.
Salty Alaskan writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 1:29 PM
Paddy
Oh, I don't have anything against Vpat other than his repetition. I agree with his politics, just not his methods:)

Amnesty Now!
paddy o'furniture writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 1:24 PM
Salty
I actually like Vpat. We have a love of shooting in common.

Cicero, however.... It would not bother me if someone stuck a wick in his head and melted him like a candle.....
ken writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 1:22 PM
CICERO"S RIGHTS

Cicero (PER BETH) has every right to climb up on a stack of banned books and have sex in the library, with a framed smiling Putin over his shoulder. And we have no right to drag him out, tar and feather him and hang him in the little town square. But if this was Moscow....
Cicero writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 1:16 PM
Still waiting, athingortwo
DOn't be shy, just blurt it right out: where has Cicero indicated: 1) he's a member of the JBS; o2 2) writes like the JBS?

I previously promised you a clue. Here it is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleoconservatism

Now, think Venn diagrams. Does that help?
Salty Alaskan writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 1:15 PM
Paddy
Maybe one of our other resident True Conservatives can hug it out with him?

Hey Vpat, Cicero needs a hug!

Amnesty Now!
paddy o'furniture writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 1:13 PM
Speaking of duds....
How's that sense of humor training coming there, Cic...?
Cicero writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 1:10 PM
"McCain's speech is universally panned"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/sep/05/uselect ions2008.johnmccain3
Cicero writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 1:07 PM
RAE-LOL
"Mc Cain's conclusion to his speech reminded me of the Grand Finale at a July 4th fireworks show! He let it all out."

Heh, yeah. Unfortunately there wasn't much there to be let out. Black powder does that if it's not prepared right, you know. I believe they call those kind of fireworks "duds."
rae writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 1:03 PM
Fireworks
Mc Cain's conclusion to his speech reminded me of the Grand Finale at a July 4th fireworks show! He let it all out.

Similarly, he made me think of Norman Beale in the movie Network. He was "mad as hell" and he "wasn't going to take it anymore!" Go Mac1

PALIN POWER!
Cicero writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 1:02 PM
An overreach, I might add. . .
that will only be perpetuated by the GOP's Doddering Darling of Arizona, John S. ("Saber Rattler") McCain.

And the neoconned should be worrying after Grandpappy's performance last night.
paddy o'furniture writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 1:01 PM
Salty
We must be nice..... can you imagine what it must be like to get beat up as often as he must have been....?
Cicero writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 12:56 PM
P.S., re: Mr. Putin
Time magazine didn't name him Person of the Year without reason. (And I laughed at all you folks who complained that Petraeus - PETRAEUS! - didn't get the nomination.)

I doubt few if any of you actually read the Time articles about Putin and Russia, but if you had, you might be just a tad more respectful. Mr. has you neocons by the short hairs, and Our Illustrious Leader GWB only made a fool out of himself when he said he gazed into Putin's eyes and "saw his soul." What actually happened is that Putin gazed into Bush's eyes (and though them, all of neoconservatism) and saw nothing behind them. That's a truth that has been amply demonstrated by the results of America's and NATO's imperial overreach in Georgia.

One more time: Who Lost Russia?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/06/who_lost_ russia.html

Hmmmm?

Salty Alaskan writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 12:45 PM
Wow
Cicero = word play police.
Cicero writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 12:34 PM
ATOT
"OK, now, Cicero ... my probably lame attempt at posting political/historical humor with a reference to Ras-Putin was NOT a false analogy.

Do we have to debate that now, too?"

What do you mean, "Do we have to debate that now, too?" You expect to make foolish comments and not be challenged? Why is it you deem it just and appropriate for foolish comments to be challenged when liberals make them, but not when you make them?

Here you go, BTW:
http://www.changingminds.org/disciplines/argument/fallacies /false_analogy.htm

And re: a previous comment of yours:

"- they have no tolerance for those who are to their left ... which would be about 99.5% of the US population."

Argumentum ad populum.

"- they are noisy"

That's rich, coming from you.

"- they never win elections"

Yeah. So?

"- their main function in life is to be political pests, as they have no hope of ever actually producing any electoral or governing results."

Our main function is to point the way back to a sound culture, and thus sound politics.

"- reality is not their strong suit"

If by "reality", you mean "pragmatics", true. This is because truth is more important to us than pragmatics. As Weaver put it, "ideas have consequences." And the ideas of the neocon/liberal establishment have had the worst of cultural and political consequences.

How's that answer re: JBS coming?
Virginia Patriot writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 12:31 PM
Cicero
Apparently, anyone who does not embrace socialism or socialism-lite are not pragmatic enough.
Pick your poison, it's what's for dinner.

Hemlock (R) or arsenic (D)?
paddy o'furniture writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 12:26 PM
atot
'Why would you consider an admittedly false analogy to be "cool"?'

....pompous, self-righteous a-hole....Exhibit A
athingortwo writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 12:25 PM
Well, now, it looks like I've got
my very own pet Site Pest, in the form of Cicero.

(eyes rolling)

OK, now, Cicero ... my probably lame attempt at posting political/historical humor with a reference to Ras-Putin was NOT a false analogy.

Do we have to debate that now, too?

Cicero writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 12:21 PM
And your answer, atot?
What have I written in these comments boxes that led you to conclude that: 1) I am a member of the JBS; or 2) I write like one? (Shall I give you a clue?)
athingortwo writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 12:16 PM
Paddy
You asked:

"Are John Birchers pompous, self-righteous a-holes....?"

I'd say that John Birchers have not been persuasive.

On the bell curve of political ideology and electoral success, the Birchers are way out there on the extreme tiny tip of the curve ... their modern-day "movement" hero is Ron Paul, even though he is not officially a society member ... and all these guys (Birchers, Paulites, etc.) have a few things in common:

- they have no tolerance for those who are to their left ... which would be about 99.5% of the US population.

- they are noisy

- they never win elections

- their main function in life is to be political pests, as they have no hope of ever actually producing any electoral or governing results.

- reality is not their strong suit
Cicero writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 12:09 PM
athingortwo
"I'm not sure that Vlad Putin is really today's version of Monk Putin, but it sounded kinda cool anyway!"

Why would you consider an admittedly false analogy to be "cool"?
Cicero writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 12:01 PM
fbear, re: paddy
Exhibit 3.
Salty Alaskan writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 12:00 PM
VaPat
Man, I'm a huge enemy of amnesty, but your constant advocacy against it has made me realize the only way we can ever truly reform amnesty, is by enacting it now so we can make sure it never happens again.

I figure, if that thinking works for you True Conservatives for reforming the R party, why not this?
paddy o'furniture writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 11:56 AM
atot
Are John Birchers pompous, self-righteous a-holes....?
Cicero writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 11:52 AM
Try those two mags, DP.
And try reading a little Russell Kirk while you're at it. They'll rock your world. You might even have to - GASP! - change your mind and hence REform your beliefs.

Unless you prefer remaining an ignorant jacka$$, that is.
athingortwo writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 11:49 AM
Joe - you must have passed h.s. world
history to recognize my Rasputin reference.

Or else you watch a lot of the History Channel.

For those who don't know, Rasputin was the Russian monk whose belligerent and devious counsel led his Empress the Tsarina astray, and bedeviled her clueless husband the Tsar ... thus leaving the Russian government exposed to the tender mercies of the Bolsheviks.

I'm not sure that Vlad Putin is really today's version of Monk Putin, but it sounded kinda cool anyway!

Virginia Patriot writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 11:49 AM
Joe
You and McCain want to stop illegl immigration by making them all legal with the magic amnesty wand. That's not stopping it, that's surrender.

Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement is the only way we get to keep the rule of law and our country. I'm very sorry that the GOP couldn't produce a candidate that would enforce the laws. That is a minimal requirement for office in my estimation.
DP in So Cal writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 11:47 AM
Cicero
"Here's to your eventual enlightenment, DP."

Golly, thanks, Cis. Where would I ever be without smart folks like you to tell me how to form my beliefs?

Arrogant Jacka$$.
DP in So Cal writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 11:45 AM
fbear-
"Non-dairy creamer...
is a bomb-making material.

Should we arrest all those who possess it? Or only those who possess over a certain amount?"

Why don't we take your ide(otic)ology to the extreme, and simply never arrest or detain anyone, anywhere for anything?

I object to your coloring of the war in Afghanistan and Iraq as though it were a law enforcement matter. The detainees at Gitmo are unlawful combatants, not criminals with civil rights. If some are there because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time, well, too bad! So were many Americans on 9/11.
Cicero writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 11:44 AM
athingortwo
"John Bircher only because you write like one.

If you haven't paid your dues lately, then by all means, I apologize for suggesting that you post like someone who really is a Bircher."

How so? Provide an example of how I write like a Bircher? (Hint - and warning: I ask these question with a view towards demonstrating that you haven't a clue as to what you're talking about.)
Salty Alaskan writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 11:43 AM
fbear
"Non-dairy creamer... is a bomb-making material.
Should we arrest all those who possess it? Or only those who possess over a certain amount?"

Funny.

Funnier how you exhibit the same behavior you expressed such outrage over earlier.

Now, if you'd kindly point me to the "thoughtful liberals" that post here?


Cicero writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 11:42 AM
DP
"Are you leaving soon? You probably should. You're way to smart for the rest of us."

While true, I'm not leaving anytime soon. Hugh's talk show, blog and comments box provide a huge amount of entertainment for me.

On a more serious note, however, I really do hope to get y'all to THINKING about your purported conservatism: where it comes from; who its movers and shakers are (and where THEY came from); how it accordingly compares to the older conservatism; how accurate its theological underpinnings are (when they actually apply, as in the case of Evangelical neoconservatives). That's why I mention authentic conservative sources such as Chronicles and American Conservative.

Here's to your eventual enlightenment, DP.
Salty Alaskan writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 11:38 AM
athingortwo
Spot on.

As an example, Southeast Alaska is comprised of several small towns, all on islands, or at least not linked to any interstate road system. The Alaska Marine Highway System (ferries) primarily services those towns, with connections to WA and Anchorage. It is hugely expensive, but without it, those communities would suffer tremendous economic harm. There is no viable alternative, so the state sucks it up every year, even though the cost/benefit ratio doesn't make sense on a purely economic basis.

That doesn't even begin to address some of the remote villages up North, where they might be 500 miles or more from the nearest neighbor.
athingortwo writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 11:36 AM
Cicero - I characterized you as a
John Bircher only because you write like one.

If you haven't paid your dues lately, then by all means, I apologize for suggesting that you post like someone who really is a Bircher.
fbear writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 11:34 AM
Non-dairy creamer...
is a bomb-making material.

Should we arrest all those who possess it? Or only those who possess over a certain amount?
Joe writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 11:31 AM
Ras-Putin?
athingortwo and Neo, who thought that up. Because it is great.
Joe writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 11:30 AM
K.G.
McCain and his team know that this election will turn in Indies and disatisfied Dems. So yeah, McCain spoke to the center. It may make you squirm (heck it made me squirm) but if you think Sarah Palin (and Jindal, etc.) are the future of the party, isn't it better that they win this cycle? People want a change from Bush-Cheney, but the proper fix is not Obama-Biden but McCain-Palin.

Or they could take a hard line on immigration, make you and VP happy, and completely lose the election.
athingortwo writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 11:27 AM
Neo - that was me who posted on
Obammy's body language in the O'Reilly interview. You're right, it WAS creepy to witness.

I can just see Obammy sitting across the negotiating table with Ras-Putin, with his hunched up shoulders and pleading eyes, while he gives away one former Soviet satellite after another to the Rooskies ... only to fly home to another scheduled stadium crowd full of America-haters congratulating him on being so peace-loving.

Joe writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 11:27 AM
Virginia Patriot
Do you really want to fix and stop illegal immigration, or are you just intent on crowing about amnesty like an old rooster whose hens have all left him?

The next step is the soup pot!
Voyska PVO writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 11:26 AM
The terminally self-referential O'Reilly
MaryStella writes:

"Bill O'Reilly, for months talked favorably of Obama, so that Obama will agree to an interview.
I will not trust the sincerity of the interview."

MaryStella,

O'Reilly is a tool; a narcissist who is in love with himself. He (O'Reilly) will say anything to get himself ratings. He is the media/Fox equivalent of a bookie: setting the odds or conditions of a proposition just so he can skim the handle (i.e., get his cut off the action that comes his way from both sides).

By the way, your posts are terrific -- as are a number of people's here -- in dissecting these liberal drones. I especially like Erin's adroit take-downs of these proles.

What I find interesting is the discussion the cost of of Cindy McCain's wardrobe; this was initially an item brought up by NPR (now, there's a surprise) and apparently brought over here by the left wing tools. As a man, I wondered how someone could have spent $300,000 on a dress, shoes, and a purse. But when it was revealed that $280,000 of that was wrapped up in the jewelry, it became obvious that the criticism was one of those specious Democrat rich-versus-poor mantras.

The don't get it: you run a business and take the risks, pay the taxes, provide people with jobs, earn the money, then you get to spend it on whatever you like.

It's called capitalism and it's an anathema to them.

..keep up the good work, Mary!
Salty Alaskan writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 11:26 AM
fbear/Cicero
"The problem is, the modern Republican Party isn't conservative at all. The two Presidents in modern history who have run up the national debt the most are Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush. Though Bill Clinton didn't eliminate the deficit, as some claim, it was reduced to almost nothing during his eight years in office."

And I'll agree with you both on that.
DP in So Cal writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 11:26 AM
Cicero,
"If you want quality "rightie" stuff, leave this outpost of pseudoconservatism and try the blogs at the Chronicles and American Conservative web sites."

Are you leaving soon? You probably should. You're way to smart for the rest of us.
K.G. writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 11:26 AM
V.Pat.
I squirmed too when Mack said, "We are all Americans." No we're not....unless you count South Americans, Central Americans, and Latin Americans.

And it is socialism light. How does this square with Palin's supposed hard-core rugged individualism?

My intuition tells me Palin was Cindy's pick. Cindy is the very essence of compassion without borders. I love her story. But there's a huge diff between PRIVATE compassion, which I laud to the high heavens, and "we are all God's children" as a governing principle.

Yes, we are all God's children, but that doesn't make us all Americans. Mack doesn't seem to get the difference.

A POTUS's duty is to the country: Country First!

Well, in my book, country first means not only national security but national sovereignty. Country First means get your tail end down here and secure the border!!!!

Notice that there has been NO discussion of this in the campaign. None! We'll see about the debates. BTW: Alaska is a sanctuary state even though I heard that they have a large welfare population.

I guess if we want perfection, we should die and go to heaven where everything is perfect. Not here, my friend.
Cicero writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 11:22 AM
fbear
"The problem is, the modern Republican Party isn't conservative at all. The two Presidents in modern history who have run up the national debt the most are Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush. Though Bill Clinton didn't eliminate the deficit, as some claim, it was reduced to almost nothing during his eight years in office."

I agree with all three statements. And I say that as one who despises Clinton.
fbear writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 11:20 AM
Stock Market
How did owners of stock do during the Clinton years? Well, let's see, the Dow almost tripled during his administration, even with the fall-off at the end, but it's barely risen during Bush's term.

Salty Alaskan writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 11:19 AM
fbear
You need to re-read the order of posts to see which response is to which post.

Yes, several have been released from Guantanamo, and several of those were subsequently encountered again on the battlefields of Iraq and Afgahnistan.

Due process is/has been provided through military tribunals. My issue is giving military combatants access to US criminal courts, which is now starting to happen. The rules of evidence alone will prevent the government from adequately prosecuting many terrorists.

There is a legitimate issue wrt classifying many of those held in Guantanamo. For instance, what do you do with the guy who gets caught with bomb making materials, but not actually using them? I don't know the answer to that, but it isn't giving that fellow a trial in our courts.
pat writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 11:18 AM
Obama Trolls
An earlier comment talked about the Lefty Trolls - it appears Camp Obama has 'posted' little Obama Cadets on all major blogs. Thus: 'Cadet fbear, You are hereby seconded to Townhall - Keep Hope Floating!'

At Illinois Review we have been blessed with an obnoxious little Jew-Baiter by the name of Will from NYC:

'Lieberman is Jew and Jews cannot be trusted... they have rejected salvation and are the instruments of satan....'

Posted by: Will from NYC | Wednesday, September 03, 2008 at 08:51 AM

Charming little twerp!
fbear writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 11:18 AM
Thanks, Cicero
It's interesting to me that many on this board view those of us who post facts that run counter to their views as trolls. I guess they'd rather live in their bubble.

I actually think that true conservatives perform an important function, as do liberals, and that it's good for society for there to be an ebb and flow of power between the two.

The problem is, the modern Republican Party isn't conservative at all. The two Presidents in modern history who have run up the national debt the most are Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush. Though Bill Clinton didn't eliminate the deficit, as some claim, it was reduced to almost nothing during his eight years in office.
Cicero writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 11:17 AM
I'm waiting, athingortwo
What makes you think I ever belonged to the JBS?

Or did you, once again, just suck that one out of your thumb?
K.G. writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 11:13 AM
Neo: BO's Body Language
Yup, it was funny. It was as if the earnest young kid was trying to convince dad to let him use use the family car.

And dad kept shooting him down.
athingortwo writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 11:12 AM
bryce1 - you pose a legitimate question
about Alaska, namely the relatively large ratio of Federal benefits received to Federal taxes paid by residents.

The answer is not simple, but key parts of it include:

1) Virtually all states that are predominantly rural or relatively small in population density receive net positive returns on tax dollars paid, while high pop states (like my Florida) are always net donors ... that's how it's always been. Alaska is by no mean unique in that regard ... and as both the nation's largest state in land area and the one with the smallest population density, one would typically expect the Alaskan Fed benefits/tax ratio to be among the highest in the USA. The reasons for the correlation between density and Fed benefits are many ... but most low pop density state have relatively large Federal land ownership meaning lots of Federal land management staff and payroll relative to commercial payrolls. Low pop density also means relatively low benefit:cost ratios for infrastructure projects like highways, bridges, etc.

2) Alaska has one of the highest ratios of Federal land ownership - about 60% of Alaska is still owned by the Federal government ... meaning, Alaska has relatively limited commercial payroll and tax roll opportunities since so little of the state is available for development.

3) Alaska's entire boundary is international - with Canada to the east, and international waters around the rest of the state ... meaning the State presents a huge burden in terms of border security as well as dealing with international land use and marine management issues.

4) Alaska also developed an extremely effective corrupt good ole boys network, the Murkowski/Stevens/Young crowd ... this is precisely the corrupt establishment that Sarah Palin directly challenged, and at least in part defeated (much remains to be done, however).
NeoConScum writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 11:12 AM
Foobie:I'm One of the Thoughftul Neocons
to whom Sissy-Roe is referring. Kinda sensitive and delicate, whilst wanting Evil vanquished and hanged. Sis', how was the Paulbot Fest in St.Paul yesterday? Heard that Ron was meeting 10,000 of your bro's.

Okay, gotta run to sensitivity training and my daily ration of doing *VIGFM. Bu-Bye.


*Vast Inexpressable GOOD For Mankind*
Virginia Patriot writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 11:09 AM
A Vote For McCain Is A Vote For Amnesty
Migrant workers are Americans?
We will make up the difference in income for people who get lower paying jobs?

I'm not voting for that.

I hope Sarah Palin doesn't start telling people who want the government to do its job and enforce the laws that they are bigots. I like her, don't want to see her kill her future by pushing McCain's amnesty and socialism-lite.
NeoConScum writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 11:04 AM
Salty & ahtingortwo...Haven't I Sternly
cautioned you cheery Righties about frivolity being shown on these threads. It upsets foobie and other Lefties. We Conservative louts need to be more sensitive. BAAAAD! BWHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!
_______________________________________________

Drudge has the latest Rasmussen news, gathered yesterday, that our Large-Wild-Critter Hunter is more popular than either Presidential Candidate. Oh, I'm liking that. Really, really liking that. Our All American Girl's Voltage is dimming Bammy's luminance by the hour.

Whoever remarked on Barack's body language on O'Reily's interview is spot-on. It was kinda skin crawly to watch. And, Bill O. wasn't Putin or Akmaspitooey! More will be revealed tonight and Monday.
Salty Alaskan writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 10:58 AM
bryce1
I've chastised you once for your ignorance on the AK permanent fund. Either go do your homework or I won't bother responding to you.

As for the $1.84; earmarks. Ted Stevens, Don Young. Pigs at the public trough who I hope get slaughtered soon.

And who wants to change/eliminate the earmark process? Hint: it's not BO.

Want to take a guess as to who has been the biggest hindrance and political enemy of Stevens, Young and their money grubbing cronies over the past 2 years? And, while you're at it, want to take a guess as to where some/most of the viscious slander of SP started?

Wise up son.

Cicero writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 10:56 AM
Hey athingortwo
I don't belong to the JBS. Whatever makes you think I did? Hmmmmmm?
fbear writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 10:55 AM
Supreme Court...
Oh, you mean that body with seven of nine members appointed by Republican Presidents? Oh yes, they are quite the far-left body.

It's funny how so-called conservatives who SAY they're for limited government turn out to be in favor of unrestricted government power, taking government at their word when exercising their most extreme powers, the powers to imprison and execute people.
Cicero writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 10:54 AM
fbear
Salty is one of the chief contributors to making this comments blog what it is. Better just to ignore him for the most part, with maybe an occasional flash of lightning sent his way.

I'm a traditionalist conservative, or "paleoconservative", and so I am naturally going to be criticial of many aspects of liberal/leftism. But I agree there are some thoughtful liberals who post on this board. (There are some thoughtful paleoconservatives and neoconservatives who post here too, but the comments box is pretty much overrun by neocon potty-mouths.)
athingortwo writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 10:54 AM
Lefty trolls are interesting head cases
They come onto conservative/Republican websites, and intentionally post comments that are designed only to rile and irritate the intended readers, and they post ever more irritating, needlessly-stupidly provocative commentary, primarily the talking points of the extremist left wing blog sites like KosFiles and HuffPost, and then when they get called out for their ridiculous and intentionally ill-willed commentary, they run around - just like Obammy - crying to their mamas that "they called me a NAME!".

Meanwhile the conservative readers and commenters on townhall repeatedly invite the uninvited site pests to run home to their mommies, and guess what? They stay here anyway and continue to purposely irritate.

fbear and Cicero (not a lib troll, but a John Birch Society troll) are like fire ant bites here in Florida. They itch just enough to get us to scratch, and then the more we scratch the more they itch ... until finally we're forced to pop the ugly boil and spread a little calamine on the lesion, and then eventually it'll go away.

It's rather hard to imagine a life so pathetic that one's life mission is merely to be the human version of a fire ant bite.



bryce1 writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 10:51 AM
Salty Alaskan
Can you explain why Alaska is receiving a $1.84 return for every dollar sent to Washington when the state sits on a 40 BILLION DOLAR cash hoard from the Permanent Fund.
Salty Alaskan writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 10:51 AM
Bill of Rights
Are you seriously conflating miranda for terrorists with the bill of rights?

You're way over your skis.

I've already been over this ground with laborlawyer, who wanted to take a similar stand. With the latest supreme court decision, EXACTLY what I said would happen is beginning to happen. Terrorists are going to have access to the US justice system. Something the supposedly legally trained laborlawyer said would never happen.
fbear writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 10:48 AM
Cicero...
I'll check out those sites.

It's interesting to see thoughtful posts here by liberals, which, with rare exceptions, are met by name-calling, rather than actual challenging of the substance of their post.

For one example, look at Salty Alaskan's response to my post about Sarah Palin's flip-flop on the "Bridge to Nowhere".
athingortwo writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 10:45 AM
Or to quote another famous line
"Supid is as stupid does"

or, the corollary being,

"Stupid is as stupid talks"

Salty Alaskan writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 10:44 AM
campaigning
Why do statewide politicians during elections initially take stands on issues presented by regional representatives (mayors) who they supposedly need to get elelcted? Gee, I don't know, that's a real tough one.

The better question would be if, during an election you ended up dealing with officials who wanted some dirty quid pro quo before supporting you, what would you do when actually elected? Would you go along with the dirty pol, or would you use your office to indict the dirty pol and clean up the process?

Guess which one Palin chose?

Guess which one Obama chose?
fbear writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 10:44 AM
The change coming from McCain...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e2/United_S tates_penny,_obverse,_2002.jpg
fbear writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 10:42 AM
Character
athingortwo,

Oh, I'm not going away. I'm just pointing out how childish it makes you people look.

Of course, I suppose childishness is to be expected from a movement whose main credo is "I've got mine, good luck getting yours."
Cicero writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 10:40 AM
fbear
"What's with the constant name-calling by the righties who comment here? Have none of you reached adulthood?"

You've pretty much nailed it. Invective, and not reasoned reflection or dispassioniate analysis, is their strong suit.

If you want quality "rightie" stuff, leave this outpost of pseudoconservatism and try the blogs at the Chronicles and American Conservative web sites. (Both of these mags are what National Review was meant to be. Too bad Buckley's mag got hijacked by adolescent Likudists.)
fbear writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 10:36 AM
Bill of Rights
Salty Alaskan,

So, you're saying that anyone ACCUSED of being a terrorist is a terrorist. Have you ever heard of this little thing called "due process of law"?

It turns out, not all who are accused of being terrorists are actually terrorists--quite a large number of people who were held in Guantanamo were released. Of course, many were held there for years, without charges, before they were released.

Yes, it's possible that the American People don't support the Bill of Rights, but my hunch is that those who don't are the right-wing fringe who post on boards such as this one.
athingortwo writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 10:36 AM
fbear - to quote Harry S. Truman, the
last decent Democrat to occupy the oval office,

"If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen!".

You have our permission to go away and not come back ... really. We know that the hot-house Obammy can't stand to be beaten up by pit bulls with lipstick, and apparently you can't stand to have a spade be called a spade ... so please just go back to Kosfiles where you will only see strong Republican men and women called bad names.

Please!
pat writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 10:34 AM
Merry Hearted Boys Make the Best
Old Men!

fbear,

Just having a giggle with a demographic that does not know how to laugh at themselves -Progressives.

Shucks, I'm a Chicago Democrat and Republicans giggle up a storm with us - Progressives do not have the capacity.

Case in point - the fatuous buffoons of MSNBC - Chris 'The White Noise' Matthews laughs up a storm at another's expense, but has sulked and pouted for three days after getting a tune-up from the mother of five who hunts moose. Go figure.

http://hickeysite.blogspot.com/2008/09/msnbc-elephant-in-li ving-room-im-sorry.html
Salty Alaskan writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 10:33 AM
names
We try and match the intellectual level of those to whom we choose to respond. I.e., you make a childish point, you get called a childish name. Capich?
fbear writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 10:32 AM
Salty Alaskan
If nobody in Ketchikan wanted the bridge, why did Palin say she was for it?
Salty Alaskan writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 10:31 AM
fbear, beth
"They even implied they shouldnt have to read any one their rights."

If by "anyone" you mean terrorists, yep. But you keep up this one too, its a winner. You might want to start a terrorist rights advocacy group?
fbear writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 10:28 AM
Adults...
What's with the constant name-calling by the righties who comment here? Have none of you reached adulthood?
Salty Alaskan writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 10:24 AM
fbear
HAHAHAHAHAHA.

I'm from Ketchikan. My parents still live there. There were 2 people in Ketchikan who actually wanted the bridge, one of them Weinstein, the other the paper editor (dead now). Both of them BIG Ted Stevens/Murkowski cronies, and dirty as hell. The rest of the locals were disgusted by it.

You keep talking about crap you know nothing about though, ignorance suits you.

athingortwo writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 10:22 AM
fbear - you're such a dunce and a dupe
of the lefty pre-frontal-lobotomy club with your "... This is making Alaskans mad"

I guess Alaskans must be SO mad at Sarah Palin that she's become the most popular governor of any state in the USA, with approval ratings well over 80%.

You lib trolls are so persistent in your Bagdhad Bob impersonations ... you really give us Pubs endless spasms of laughter!

Keep it up, fella, the moment of truth is only 60 days away!
fbear writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 10:18 AM
Beth
Beth wrote:

"They even implied they shouldnt have to read any one their rights."

That was perhaps the most notable part of Palin's speech--she, and by extension, McCain, are actually running against the Bill of Rights. Absolutely amazing.

Yes, I question the patriotism of those who would shred the Constitution for political gain. Shame on you all.
Salty Alaskan writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 10:18 AM
pathetic socialist
"those 5 years he endured in captivity. Sorry--it doesn't make you Presidential material. In fact, it doesn't even make you high character."

What would a miserable turd like you know about character? Go change your diaper socialist troll.




athingortwo writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 10:17 AM
BTW - if you saw any of the Obammy
interview on O'Reilly, did you notice The One's body language? He leaned forward toward O'Reilly, with his shoulders sort of pinched up, and his head and neck jutting forward .... he left the impression of a sort of Urkel character undergoing a grueling job interview for towel-boy for the varsity swim team. He projected no sense of comfort in his own skin, no sense of power or forthrightness or personal strength.

Since O'Reilly does his body language segments pretty regularly, I wonder now if he dares to ask his body language expert to analyze Obammy.

Contrast Obammy to either John McCain or Sarah Palin ... true, we haven't seen Sarah in a one on one interview format yet, but she certainly projects self confidence on the stage. McCain, who has been endlessly interviewed for years on the Straight Talk Express, seems quite comfortable and confident in interviews, yet at the same time he has a sort of suppressed energy and impatience with the dull witted reporters, like a military commander or football coach who is thinking, "Why aren't you listening? Don't you get it?"

Can't wait for the debates!
fbear writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 10:08 AM
Into the Ditch express, Palin edition
It turns out that Sarah Palin says one thing when she's in Ketchikan, another when she's in St. Paul:

http://www.reuters.com/article/email/idUSN3125537020080901

"During her first speech after being named as McCain's surprise pick as a running mate, Palin said she had told Congress 'thanks but no thanks' on that bridge to nowhere."

But, the plot thickens...

"In the city (of) Ketchikan, the planned site of the so-called "Bridge to Nowhere," political leaders of both parties said the claim was false and a betrayal of their community, because she had supported the bridge and the earmark for it secured by Alaska's Congressional delegation during her run for governor."

This is making Alaskans mad:

"When she was running for governor in 2006, Palin said she was insulted by the term 'bridge to nowhere,' according to Ketchikan Mayor Bob Weinstein, a Democrat, and Mike Elerding, a Republican who was Palin's campaign coordinator in the southeast Alaska city.

"'People are learning that she pandered to us by saying, 'I'm for this' ... and then when she found it was politically advantageous for her nationally, abruptly she starts using the very term that she said was insulting,' Weinstein said."

This is going to hurt McCain and Palin, possibly big-time. It's tough to run as a reformer when you're lying about your actions.

athingortwo writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 10:07 AM
The bottom line this week ...
- John McCain unified and energized the Republican Party with his pick of Sarah Palin as veep ... the so-called "enthusiasm gap" just evaporated.

- Sarah Palin just became the new leader of the Republican Party ... even as John McCain seeks to become the leader of the American people

- The Dems are running scared ... very scared

- The MSM is just as scared, but the more they try to tamp down the Sarah Palin phenom, the higher they drive her positives, and the higher they drag the MSM's negatives.

- John McCain and Sarah Palin are the true change ticket ... the differences between McCain/Palin change and Obama/Whatshisname change? That's easy: McCain/Palin's change is the right change, while The One's change is the wrong change .... and McCain/Palin have actually done change, while Obammy only shoots his mouth off about change.

Good convention week for the Pubs ... the race is now theirs to lose.
clarityseeker writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 9:55 AM
To quote another of the self-proclaimed,
enlightened ones:

"God bless Obama for those 5 years he endured in community organizing. Sorry--it doesn't make you Presidential material. In fact, it doesn't even make you high character."

Indeed, well said Pathological Liberal.
Brianbnc writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 9:53 AM
angel66
Who cares! She also gives more to charity in one year that you will in 5 lifetimes.
daledog writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 9:51 AM
Patriot Lib
Who exactly is Obama to have a vision for America? The fool cannot even have a vision for himself leaving the pews of a hate church.
daledog writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 9:42 AM
What about Cindy?
The video on Cindy McCain was fascinating. I had no idea what a great woman she is. Do any of you libs want to compare Cindy with Michelle?

...Crickets...

I thought so.
clarityseeker writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 9:40 AM
Hawkeye....
Well stated, as usual. However, McCain readily admits he's not a great orator--So be it. It does dilute his message to some degree.
It would be nice to see some smoothness there, as mellifluosly executed as his opponent (even with those endless "Ummmm's and Uhhh's").
But then, I've never been one actively seeking a POTUS who has perfected the art of "lip-biting" and "hang-dog" expressions.
clarityseeker writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 9:33 AM
Hey, LafferLawyer & Pathological Liberal
are on this thread as well. Man, they do get around.

Funny thing.......I never LafferLawyer on threads last week, analyzing The Messiah's speech to 85,000 in the Bronco Powl.
Now Pathological Liberal, he's on all of the threads as he continues to "scale back" his posting. "He's got better things to do with his time", don't you know?
Patriotic Liberal writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 9:29 AM
babinich
You write: "Who would you rather be in a foxhole with? Which of the two would sell you out in a minute for their own personal gain?"

For the first question, that does not speak to fitness for high office. But now that you mention it, Barack.

In the second, Mac has sold himself out this campaign season for his own personal gain. It is clear as day. A long campaign reveals a man's character. Barack is still true to his ideals. Mac is a craven and ridiculous figure.

God bless McCain for those 5 years he endured in captivity. Sorry--it doesn't make you Presidential material. In fact, it doesn't even make you high character.
pat writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 9:15 AM
Hero or the Zero?
Last night, John McCain called America. He called on Americans to fight corruption in government; to right our Economy through tax-cuts and using American genius to free this country from foreign energy dependence; face down Islamic Terrorists and the Kleptocracy of Vlad Putin; to fight the hideous curse of Abortion, to fight for the civil rights issue of this century - School Choice.

Obama wants issues - says he does, but sings lyrics to the Rock Opera of Progressivism. I have not heard one thing that Obama offers to right the economy other than raise taxes. Obama says 'only the rich.' Well, things have a way of getting back to us - like the flimsy rhetoric of Mastercard Gold. Everybody pays. Progressive Doctrine demands that others pay and pay and pay - Demand Programs! Programs are funded by the taxes of carpenters, millwrights, electricians, teachers, cops and nurses. Programs mean that a bureaucracy is born and feeds at the trough of more taxes.

McCain acts. American are doers, inventors, builders, care-givers, fighters and custodians of the weak, the disabled, and should be - of the unborn.

Sixty Days. You have had my vote Senator and those of my son and daughter. That's three and that is a good start in Precinct 23 of 19th Ward in Chicago.



pat writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 9:14 AM
Hero or the Zero?
Last night, John McCain called America. He called on Americans to fight corruption in government; to right our Economy through tax-cuts and using American genius to free this country from foreign energy dependence; face down Islamic Terrorists and the Kleptocracy of Vlad Putin; to fight the hideous curse of Abortion, to fight for the civil rights issue of this century - School Choice.

Obama wants issues - says he does, but sings lyrics to the Rock Opera of Progressivism. I have not heard one thing that Obama offers to right the economy other than raise taxes. Obama says 'only the rich.' Well, things have a way of getting back to us - like the flimsy rhetoric of Mastercard Gold. Everybody pays. Progressive Doctrine demands that others pay and pay and pay - Demand Programs! Programs are funded by the taxes of carpenters, millwrights, electricians, teachers, cops and nurses. Programs mean that a bureaucracy is born and feeds at the trough of more taxes.

McCain acts. Americans are doers, inventors, builders, care-givers, fighters and custodians of the weak, the disabled, and should be - of the unborn.

Sixty Days. You have had my vote Senator and those of my son and daughter. That's three and that is a good start in Precinct 23 of 19th Ward in Chicago.



Bea writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 8:56 AM
THIS little item from the Drudge Report
....this AM is classic "skin color" descention that I find shocking from an "icon" that all women adored. Oh well, this once honorable lady, every woman's beloved OPRAH, just insulted and excised 50% of her doting constituency. Amazing how "Oprah" never ever conjured ANY racial implications: she hid them well. Obviously SHE was biased all along! God help us!

PER the DRUDGE REDPORT HEADLINE: "OPRAH BALKS AT HOSTING SARAH PALIN; STAFF DIVIDED... DEVELOPING..."

Robert writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 8:50 AM
unfair McCain pic
Please go to http://www.live.com/ , and look at the McCain pic.

If you don't like the pic, click on the "feedback" in the lower right, and tell them to change it.

Obama's pic last week was good, and they chose a McCain pic which looks like a funeral...it appears whoever chose the pic was biased toward Obama.

Both pic's should be patriotic pics. That's only fair.
Hawkeye writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 8:48 AM
Good speech but not great
McCain's first problem, how do you follow-up the female Elvis? Everyone including and especially Obama would look bad following Palin. McCain rightfully kept it "townhallish" to counter the Vegas sideshow at the DNC convention.

Beth;

Was that you in the balconey flashing us your nasty tribal "Code Pink" underwear? If so, some advice. Shave your arm pits. Look into plastic surgery and get psychological help. Your way to angry but in a weird way you did do us a public service by showing America the democratic party in it's current state of anarchy.
hvs writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 7:02 AM
Babinich
good point...don't forget Oprah's diamond studded SUNGLASSES that spelled "OBAMA".

There is class and jewelry, and then there is bling. Cindy McCain does not wear bling.
GovernmentMule writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 6:02 AM
Piniella and Angel66,
Americans shot and killed in Chicago this summer -- notwithstanding all those years of wonderful "community organizing" -- 123.

Nice community. Especially if "hail of gunfire" is on your wish list. Its well-organized though. Live members of the community may get shot, while the dead may only vote.

Not sure if the Chicago police force is drawing down yet. Probably waiting for the snows.

Americans killed in Iraq, same period -- 65.

If a soldier returns from Iraq to Bad, Bad Leroy Brown territory, does he or she get to keep their body armor?

And on Cindy's outfit: Angel, you are watching way too much Project Runway. And no, you cannot get the four-strand at Wal-Mart; you can get it for under 10K at Costco, if you hurry on down. And while we're on the key topic of personal-appearance financing, what do you estimate the Scrapper from Scranton laid out on those plugs? And would those be covered under the new health care reform?



Babinich writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 5:43 AM
class warfare??? get real...
"Who Are The Real Elites?
Hugh Hewitt and his own media elites love to act like they're the salt of the earth.

Here's Cindy McCain's humble RNC outfit:

Oscar de la Renta dress: $3,000
Chanel J12 White Ceramic Watch: $4,500
Three-carat diamond earrings: $280,000
Four-strand pearl necklace: $11,000–$25,000
Shoes, designer unknown: $600

Total: Between $299,100 and $313,100

Think she bought that at Wal-Mart?"

Please...

Do you really want to go down this road?

Did you see some of the "bling" running around at the DNC?

Who would you rather be in a foxhole with? Which of the two would sell you out in a minute for their own personal gain?

I am also tired of hearing Obama drop references to his prowess on the basketball court. What a fable...

Please, how many times could he make it up and down the court before he needed a smoke?
angel66 writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 5:31 AM
Who Are The Real Elites?
Hugh Hewitt and his own media elites love to act like they're the salt of the earth.

Here's Cindy McCain's humble RNC outfit:

Oscar de la Renta dress: $3,000
Chanel J12 White Ceramic Watch: $4,500
Three-carat diamond earrings: $280,000
Four-strand pearl necklace: $11,000–$25,000
Shoes, designer unknown: $600

Total: Between $299,100 and $313,100

Think she bought that at Wal-Mart?

piniella writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 5:07 AM
Teh Surge
[Of course, Obama still says he was right to oppose the surge, notwithstanding its now-acknowledged success.]

The Surge FAILED. We STILL can't draw down.
Phil writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 4:36 AM
Laborlawyer, you seem to have it wrong..
....and completely missed the point. They have nothing against community organizers, its the fact so much of Obaman's "experience" as a leader rests solely in that area. He was never a leader in the senates, state or federal. Just a lackey and a pawn.

We conservatives believe very much in communities working together, but don't try and foist an empty suit onto the country and use it "community organizer" as your flag. You could offer him to us based on character, ideology, and his track record for past actions. Sadly though, they total a sum of Zero - well accept for the part where he likes to talk about himself so much.

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http://www.printfection.com/after5designs
Phil writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 4:34 AM
Douglas - you have it wrong....
....and completely missed the point. They have nothing against community organizers, its the fact so much of Obaman's "experience" as a leader rests solely in that area. He was never a leader in the senates, state or federal. Just a lackey and a pawn.

We conservatives believe very much in communities working together, but don't try and foist an empty suit onto the country and use it "community organizer" as your flag. You could offer him to us based on character, ideology, and his track record for past actions. Sadly though, they total a sum of Zero - well accept for the part where he likes to talk about himself so much.

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[url]http://www.printfection.com/after5designs[/url]
laborlawyer writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 4:05 AM
douglas
Seems to me the entire Republican convention up until McCain spke ridiculed the very idea of community organizing. You're trying to have it both ways.

But then that's typical of Republicans- attacking big government while proposing huge new government programs. I mean really, what would you all be saying if Obama had proposed having the government subsidize the wages of laid-off workers?
douglas writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 3:53 AM
sensitive, aren't we?
"And that bit about getting involved in causes greater than yourself, like helping the oppressed- isn't that the very definition of a community organizer?"

Community organizers that actually do something for their communities are great. Community Organizers that work the system to advance their careers and play with other peoples money to generate no results as they funnel funds to their ideological friends, with no concern that they aren't actually doing anything for those in need, shouldn't run for POTUS. They should stick to running Cook County and Illinois.
Patriotic Liberal writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 3:43 AM
Speaking of "extravagent sense of self"
One candidate talked about his vision for America, the other candidate talked about his own superlative character. Which is the self-involved "messiah"? And check out the puddling in Reep circles over Palin. Is she "the one", guys? You seem pretty weak in the knees..
laborlawyer writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 3:15 AM
Great biography, tired proposals
Most of the speech was just awful. First there was the tired old laundry list of Republican talking points- business good, unions bad (so much for Mr. Palin,"pround union member"), "activist" judges judges bad, public schools bad. Yawn.

Then the confusing parts- no big government programs, but then have the government retrain everyone laid off by outsourcing and pay the difference between their old wages and their lower wages while they retrain? And what was that business about unemployment insurance- did he call for eliminating it? Drill baby drill- but not in ANWR? Bipartisanship- after the last two nights of relentless shrill partisanship? And that bit about getting involved in causes greater than yourself, like helping the oppressed- isn't that the very definition of a community organizer? What about that latina immigrant he praised- sounds like he's back off the conservative reservation on that issue. Or is he? He didn't really say, did he?

The end was of course stirring. The man is a genuine hero. By then though, he had put everyone to sleep.

Really, folks, that was a boring, awful speech, up until the last five minutes.

Basically, here's McCain's campain in a nutshell: Forget the issues, vote for the war hero. Oh, and that other guy? He's just an uppity (you fill in the blank). Yes, a Republican State Senator from Georgia (the one in this country) just called the Obamas "uppity", and we know what that's code for, don't we, wink wink nod nod. Oh and forget my vice presidential candidate abused her power and was all for earmarks and banning books.

Going to be a fascinating 60 days.
Doc writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 1:57 AM
America branded onto the Soul of John Mc
John S. McCain belongs in the pantheon of American War Presidents...He Belongs on Mount Rushmore....Why? His experience and his words have changed the definition of "Patriotism" for me...he has exalted the meaning "Love of Country" for me...Because he suffered for our country and his fellow POW Soldiers sustained him when broken he was grafted into the fabric of our Democracy and his fellow American GIs where grafted onto his heart. The resurrection of John McCain in that Vietnamese tomb so many years ago was the MOMENT when his Love of America was branded onto his SOUL transforming it while saving it for Eternity and saving him for a greater Earthly role. John McCain is America....John McCain is the metal and substance that George Washington, Andrew Jackson, Ulysses Grant, Dwight D. Eisenhower and George H.W. Bush all War Presidents of the United States of America are made of......John McCain is my Next President...
His Noble Words
"No man can always stand alone. And then he told me to get back up and fight again for my country and for the men I had the honor to serve with, because every day they fought for me. (Cheers, applause.)

I fell in love with my country when I was a prisoner in someone else's. I loved it not just for the many comforts of life here; I loved it for its decency, for its faith in the wisdom, justice and goodness of its people.
I loved it because it was not just a place, but an idea, a cause worth fighting for. I was never the same again. I wasn't my own man anymore, I was my country's. (Extended cheers and applause.)
I'm not running for president because I think I'm blessed with such personal greatness that history has anointed me to save our country in its hour of need. (Cheers, applause.) My country saved me. My country saved me, and I cannot forget it. And I will fight for her for as long as I draw breath, so help me God."
McD writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 1:52 AM
oy! Beth!
Beth said:
"They even implied they shouldnt have to read any one their rights."

Really? Where? Put up or shut up.
MaryStella writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 1:50 AM
beth
As a discerning reader, at townhall, quite impressed by your impressive farsight sharp, & incisive intellect and highly dveloped quality grammer!
Putting intellectual and personal principle above expediency!
Surely, you are the greatest gift to yourself! beth! seriously!
Without your wit and intelligence, here at Hugh's blog we were just say without a shepherd, thank you dear, wise one, allowing us to think the right - sorry the left way!
Clarifying, allowing us the see error of our ways, we are bunch of meekly confused extreemly misguided, misfortuned,
OPS, I can not Remember,
What I stand for?
Dummy!
Please, help us beth!
What is a library?
poyman writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 1:49 AM
McCain is Boring but Solid
Obama is "Sizzling" on Presentation, but Empty on Substance...

Game/ Set/ Match McCain.
arch writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 1:47 AM
Mary.
MaryStella.

You are so right and I do know of the machine that supports Obammy. I lived near Chicago since the late fifties and saw it work its evil for decades. My county was Whiteside county Illinois and my school friend's father was elected sheriff for many terms. It was a conservative county and even then the Daley machine forced it's way by evil threats and terrorism upon my friend's father the sheriff. When he tried to fight back against allowing certain criminals to go free, his house suddenly burned to the ground and he no longer ran for sheriff after that. Also the District attorney at the time would not investigate the mysterious fire with no good reason. Funny how power corrupts the weak and evil prospers. Later the libtards gained control of the county politics and the community has suffered ever since to this day. I only go back there to visit my relatives and am disgusted by the situation.
kermit writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 1:37 AM
No Beth. . . .
K.G. is right - shut the heck up. The only one trying to "fool" us is you!!!! Do you honestly think you can come on this site and chum the waters with those stupid comments and expect to get away with it??? Chum elsewhere, girlfriend. . . .
Chuck writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 1:36 AM
Battle of the USS McCain
As things have turned, McCain has succeeded in taking the change issue for himself and has cut off the rudder of Obama while he looks for a new message. Let's go and "Raise McCain".
K.G. writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 1:28 AM
Beth! Beth!
Links, please, or shut the heck up. Your rights will be preserved under the Constitution. What the heck is the matter with you????

It's the Left that infamously legislates from the bench. Go back to bed.
MaryStella writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 1:14 AM
arch,
Bill O'Reilly, for months talked favorably of Obama, so that Obama will agree to an interview.
I will not trust the sincerity of the interview. Obama will say anything to get elected. He alters his views to different audiences.
Lately, O'Reilly has been quite unfair to the right on debates, I just have to change channels, at times, I know he is trying to kiss up to the other side, and is obvious!
If he keeps this up, he will lose some viewers, maybe will gain some too.
Probably, they know what they are doing.
I know, for sure that Rupert Murdoch is very much interested in Obama.

He was Hillary supporter!
arch, you have no idea, the power, and the money behind Obama!
Beth writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 1:08 AM
Remember what they stand for
Palin wants books in the library to be the ones she deems appropriate. Palin wants NO WOMEN to have abortions for any reasons, Palin wants NO Sex education in schools (or at home apparently), McCain is right there with her. We cannot go back a century. This is a free country and they will make sure that you can carry your guns but make no mistake, they will also know everything else about you. They even implied they shouldnt have to read any one their rights. Dont let them fool you, we are in America and we have our rights, but "the conservative right" will strip us of them.
Michael writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 1:04 AM
bland ?
Sure, in speech class, this was an average speech.

But following Obama and then Palin, McCain needed to help the undecided feel safe with McCain.

No need to solidify the base, no point in pleasing the pundits, no chance in winning an oratory award... the point was looking like a guy who really gets the problems in DC & with the economy & energy, and also the problems on other continents. And that he is a guy who has a clue about what to do about it.

To think of just one segment, for all those women who are suddenly surprised to be considering voting for Palin... McCain added "and its safe" to the enthusiasm.

McCain was authentic, and I bet he connected with the right people. And, for those with whom he connected, I think the connection will last a long time.
Paul writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 1:01 AM
Hero vs. Zero
McCain vs. Obama
bryce1 writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 12:50 AM
Outstanding speech
While I disagree on McCain policy, I've always liked and admired him greatly. Tonight's speech was a great example of why. He truly is a great American.
arch writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 12:43 AM
MaryStella
MaryStella. I was actually moved by the final appeal by John McCain's speech. This is a man who truly does serve his country first yet knows he is fallible and vows to do his best for the nation. I do not agree with many of John McCain's positions and yet respect the man for what he is. An American who will not allow failure without a fight. I will support his candidacy as he won the nomination fair and square with his nation's future and well being put first. Pray for him and our nation!
TedCPA writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 12:43 AM
McCain's Speech
I liked the speech.It basically said to me get off your tail and do something. I voted for Romney but I can back this guy. I think McCain did a GREAT JOB!

Still I was amazed by the PBS comments afterwards.
They get these intellectuals who you know are in the bag for Obama. The professor from Brandeis (black guy)said some stuff about McCain and I couldn't figure where he was coming from. It struck me totally out of context. McCain was for God, Guns and something or other. Huh? He said he wrote off the black vote. OK but funny one great thing about McCain is his stand on education.
Look at how the Florida Supreme Court struck down education reform. (Too Bush like) incredible.

What I learned from this convention was the bias of the Main Street media-very clear on PBS.
I just need to figure out what to do about it.
This convention showed how biased they are.
It just leaks out of them.

Thank God for blogs.

Ted
kermit writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 12:39 AM
Classy dude. . .
. . . . say what you want about McCain's politics, agree or disagree, but one thing is inarguable - John has more class in his left pinky than Bam has in his whole body. Beautiful commercial on Bam's "acceptance night" paid for by the McCain campaign; respect for his opponent. Even a nod to his opponent again tonight! And the Libs?? Well, they're busy with their protestors inside the RNC, and throwing bleach on women from the Connecticut delegation and focusing their camera lenses on the abdomen of the teen daughter of their opponent, and spreading lies and even rumors about the first female Republican Veep nominee. Pathetic??? Oh yeah. . . . . and as for the Dem candidate himself???? Well, he was busy looking small, stuttering all over himself at the O'Reilly factor, looking like the desperate chump that he is. . . . yeah. Hmmm..... Integrity?? Character? Courage and Class?? I think John McCain wins that contest hands down.
mike writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 12:39 AM
hecklers!
how much time do they get locked up for? one night?? can a law be enacted to toss in the pokey for a year? i'm i harsh for wanting them to dragged out by their hair and beaten? enough already. any bets every disrupting protester is the result of a permissive, "attachment parenting" style?
Michael writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 12:38 AM
wildest dreams
Totally bizarre that Obama admits on Fox that the Surge was very successful, on the same night that the remaining undecided get to watch what the pundits will think was a boring speech that will actually, aside from the devoted fans on both sides, draw a dramatic contrast in stature.

Yes, McCain was right. Yes, until tonight on Fox, Obama had never admitted it. Well, Obama got his competing headline on McCain's night. Is this O guy really all that bright?

O refused to say he was wrong, dramatically refused, in voting against it, instead repeating it succeeded beyond his wildest dreams.

Surreal.

Say, will the media now admit the surge was a grand success as well? Tune in tomorrow...
Erin writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 12:36 AM
Briggsy....
"McCain was anemic.

If you don't find a way to put Palin at the top of the ticket, your goose is cooked.

She only sounds false when she is praising McCain, and that is now her main job."

Hate to say it, but your assessment is arguably correct. My opinion is McCain started slow and ended up rockin', but your opinion is credible as well.

As regards putting Palin at the top of the ticket- nah, she doesn't have enough seasoning yet. We don't do that on our side, though your side does- in the instant case, you've sent up somebody without enough experience to be a county commissioner let alone be president.

But he does work a teleprompter like nobody's business.

Maverick/'Cuda- that sounds waaaay better than

Jugears/Chia head.
Erin writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 12:28 AM
animalgirl....
"Happy to see
That the top of the ticket can act like a statesman, even if the bottom is a self-proclaimed b****."

Agirl, is that you?

Well done you- bonafide analysis, and you gave credit where credit was due. If you ain't careful, I'm going to start respecting your opinion.

One point- do keep in mind that the traditional function of the VP candidate is to act as the attacker in the race- as such, your assessment of Ms. Palin as a bee yotch is an unintended compliment.

Go 'Cuda.
Michael writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 12:25 AM
shocked
I did not think it was possible, but I now like McCain. He'd let me down many times... but I have no doubt that he has always done exactly what he thought was best for the USA.

In DC, party loyalty is required to move up -- which is why there is so little bi-partisanship. The ambitious lawyer will not mess around with much of that stuff. But McCain's ambitions were never personal -- not after leaving prison. His motivations are impeccable.

I still disagree with a lot of old McCain positions, but what a man.
Russell writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 12:24 AM
Maybe the best line
After describing his personal story of heroism with great intensity he looked the country in the eye and said "I hate war." Not in a daffy ridiculous liberal sense, but as one who "gets it" for real. Those three words were a direct volley back to the liberals and their whole anti-war schtick. McCain the man was on display as I had never seen him, and I liked it.
CDubber writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 12:21 AM
Palin on iTunes
Be sure to grab the video of Palin's speech in iTunes (for free). Could be a nice piece of history to archive.

http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodca st?i=36775089&id=290319529

I assume McCain's speech will be available tomorrow...
RudyA writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 12:12 AM
McCain vs Obama
Compared to John McCain, Barack Obama is an empty suit; and that suit is made of the same material as The Emperor's New Clothes.
Cicero writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 12:11 AM
Is this the John S. McCain . . .
of McCain/Feingold? Of McShamnesty.

Yeah, he won't break a promise to his country.

As long as his country is construed in terms acceptable to himself, the "Maverick."

P.S. How did we know they'd play Heart's "Barracuda" at the defining moment?

Looks like he's trying to get elected by deflecting attention away from himself and toward her. Wise move. But some of us see through it. Too bad y'all can't.
MaryStella writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 12:07 AM
Obama's speech was angry
Bitter, arrogant, and condescending.

Senator McCain speech was congenial,
assuring, inspiring, touched hearts, country first, quite moving.
A simple soldier who loves his country, and now is ready to serve his countrymen, the best he can.
With Vice President Palin by his side,
YES WE CAN.
LOVE OF COUNTRY FIRST.
MCCAIN, READY TO SERVE, HIS PEOPLE.
GOD BLESS AMERICA
AMEN.

arch writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 12:03 AM
animalgirl
animalgirl writes: Thursday, September, 04, 2008 11:25 PM
Happy to see
That the top of the ticket can act like a statesman, even if the bottom is a self-proclaimed b****.

Arch says"

animalgirl. You seem hateful tonight. Why don't you point out the reasons Obammy would be the better man for the POTUS and why Mccain would be not. I am willing to listen to you!
paddy o'furniture writes: Friday, September, 05, 2008 12:01 AM
There is a perfect.....
....couple of photos on Drudge right now.....
MJ writes: Thursday, September, 04, 2008 11:52 PM
A great message but a lacking delivery
I'm with you Hugh... a stark contrast on policy, character and experience. I just wish the contrast didn't also extend so dramatically to a lack of oratorical skill.

I'm a McCain supporter and realize that the president's job isn't about being a professional speech giver. But, it’s one part of the job that that JM's going to need to work on, and fast. Substance and style are both needed in today's world of young and old.

Let's get John to the townhall and to the debates where he rules. Let's keep Sarah out there on the stump where she is sure to be one of the greats of our time. Like any good partnership, they compensate for each other's weaknesses.

John's is the leader we need and has a great message. Let's hope and pray he finds better places to communicate it.
K.G. writes: Thursday, September, 04, 2008 11:51 PM
The Battle Lines Are Drawn...
America-loathing elites and their nanny-state minions begging for a hand out v. the American Heartland.

McCain/Palin had one job to do. Connect with Heartland Dems. I'll bet they did it. Cindy Mack's story was the best of all.

This group oozes real compassion, not the phony baloney bleeding hearts of the left, who cynically promise to grow the nanny state in order to get votes.
Tylenol_X writes: Thursday, September, 04, 2008 11:49 PM
McCain is anemic, but the better choice
McCain is anemic, but would be the better president.
SC 937-0176 CEC writes: Thursday, September, 04, 2008 11:44 PM
Bravo Johnny
Of course McCain was not my first choice but I wholeheartedly support him now that he is the choice. The speech was done well.
As for O'Reilly....to accept the interview w/Obama to have it air tonight...well I am now convinced O'Reilly is just a media wh*re. I have lost any respect I had for him and will no longer watch him.
NeoConScum writes: Thursday, September, 04, 2008 11:42 PM
John's Speech Set Good-Solid Reform And
staying on the offense tone. 10-minutes too long, I think, but fine. He's very real and he's progressed miles for me with the Sarah pick. And, Thank You, John, for expressing sincere gratitude to President Bush for the Stand-Up Wartime Leader he has been. He did that at the start and got me aboard stronger for him. Luved it when his 96-year old Mom called him a "Mamma's Boy"..!

Bammy's electricity has taken an awful beating since Friday morning. The Republicans are Charged-Up like no one's seen them in a long time. Sarah's High-Voltage on the Team is making Barack's wattage begin to look more like a Bic lighter.
artbyruth writes: Thursday, September, 04, 2008 11:39 PM
McCain!!
I thought it was a powerful speech...especially at the end. He really showed American who he is and what he is about. Like Fred said, there is no doubt that Americans know who John McCain is.

B2slim- I wondered if others out there thought O'Reilly was leaning toward the Left in this election. I sensed O'Reilly was in the tank for Obama as well. He certainly defends him when he interview people about him. I thought the interview was good, but O'Reilly could have been tougher regarding the serge issue. Can't wait to see the rest next week.
Briggsy writes: Thursday, September, 04, 2008 11:38 PM
Who are you trying to kid, Hugh?

McCain was anemic.

If you don't find a way to put Palin at the top of the ticket, your goose is cooked.

She only sounds false when she is praising McCain, and that is now her main job.
steve writes: Thursday, September, 04, 2008 11:38 PM
McCain's character
Fred Thompson made the point - "the kind of character that civilizations from the beginning of history have sought in their leaders"

The kind of character only a handful of people on earth possess.

Robert writes: Thursday, September, 04, 2008 11:36 PM
Obama on Fox?
Ask yourself why Obama went on FOX on the same night that McCain was making his acceptance speech?

Why, because he wanted to steal the thunder. It shows Obama's character.

When Obama made his accpetance speech, McCain had an ad out that night which said "this is your night." That shows McCain's character.

When McCain gave his acceptance speech, the left nutters tried to break it up and cause havoc. A code pink lady had to be dragged out. That shows the lefts character.

During Obama's acceptance speech, republicans were civil and respected Obama's night. That shows republican character.

Vote republican. The party of civility.
DamonS writes: Thursday, September, 04, 2008 11:36 PM
the battle is joined
McCain is at the helm in command ship leading the battle group into the fight. I look forward to seeing more fast attacks from the troops. Especially from the newest fighter and "maverick": VP Palin. The battle is joined.
Joe writes: Thursday, September, 04, 2008 11:31 PM
McCain's Speech
I thought it built up well. It was slow and McCain like to start. An okay speech. But as it built to the end it worked because of the authenticity of the speaker. He may not be the best orator, but he has a hell of a story. It really got me at the end, but that is because it is true.
B2slim writes: Thursday, September, 04, 2008 11:25 PM
OBAMA too desperate he runs to FOX

Obama who hates FOX. trashes, bashes, and slanders FOX in utter panic and desperation
goes crawling to FOX to "save him".

and of course O'Reilly has been so in the bag for Obama from the beginning, will give him a boost:

O'Reilly is so full of bull: does not even have facts on most issues:

McCain / Palin, have the king of Sleaze Obama on the run:

OBAMA will have to spend another 1/2 billion to get another vote or two:

B2slim writes: Thursday, September, 04, 2008 11:22 PM
McCain / Palin WILL GO TO THE PEOPLE !

What is most obvious about this ticket:

THEY WILL GO TO THE PEOPLE with the critical issues::::::

NOT TO THE sleaze Merchant MSM:

WOW they are really turning out the slime, sleaze against McCain Palin::::: The sleaze merchant MSM are desperate:

Obama is so desperate!
arch writes: Thursday, September, 04, 2008 11:21 PM
Avery good point indeed
Barack Obama will appear on Bill O'Reilly's show tonight. Reportedly, he will say that "the surge has succeeded in ways that nobody anticipated. I’ve already said it’s succeeded beyond our wildest dreams."

I must have missed that speech. Of course, Obama still says he was right to oppose the surge, notwithstanding its now-acknowledged success.

The Republicanization of Barack Obama continues:

Speaking on other national security matters, Obama said he would not take military action off the table in dealing with Iran, but diplomacy and sanctions can’t be overlooked.

The Islamic republic is a “major threat” and it would be “unacceptable” for the rogue nation to develop a nuclear weapon, he said.

“It is unacceptable for Iran to possess a nuclear weapon, it would be a game changer,” Obama said. “It’s sufficient to say I would not take military action off the table and that I will never hesitate to use our military force in order to protect the homeland and the United States’ interests.” ...

Saw this on powerlineblog.com

Obama said he “absolutely” believes the United States is fighting a War on Terror, with the enemy being, “Al Qaeda, the Taliban, a whole host of networks that are bent on attacking America, who have a distorted ideology, who have perverted the faith of Islam.”

I like to see this, but not because I think Obama means it. I often worry that the country is sliding to the left, but during election season Republicans never try to sound like Democrats, whereas Democrats often try to sound like Republicans. It's good to see that Democrats still find this to be necessary, on some issues, at least.

A very good point indeed!
drokmed writes: Thursday, September, 04, 2008 11:20 PM
McCain is clearly a reformer
He did a fantastic job of explaining why he's a reformer, then went into lots of specifics of what specifically he's going to fix and change. He brings real change, and not just a stump message. It was pretty inspiring.

I liked how he remained positive, bringing a message of hope, restoring America's greatness. His words reminded me of Ronald Reagan. He even stayed positive when comparing himself to Obama. No cheap shots at all. McCain was classy tonight.

The Maverick is Back!
Keith writes: Thursday, September, 04, 2008 11:19 PM
I would say
That he struck another to his side, Game goes to McCain/Palin. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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