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people who push the envelope get paper cuts, and you are pushing the envelope, Frank. |
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No wonder some unbalanced person killed Tiller, with this kind of propaganda being forced fed to them...
I hope Tiller's family sues Fox, and every other propagandist that put a target on the Doctor's back. |
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you libs "deal" with troublesome people in a different way..........but with the same results.
do the names Marilyn Monroe, Mary Jo Kopechne and Vince Foster ring a bell????? |
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If he did indeed rant about "Tiller the baby killer". Since we know that Bernard Goldberg's rag listing 100 liberals set off a nutjob to kill UU churchgoers as he spouted anti-liberal rants, and the man who killed police officers because he was prodded by wingnuts like Hannity to think Obama meant to steal his guns away. Timothy McVeigh, Palin mobs spouting death threats and Hannity, Beck, Coulter, Levin, Limbaugh and Malkin all inciting violence aimed at liberals and Democrats adds up to domestic terrorism with a decided rightwing taint. YOU guys have instigated your own version of what you hate so very much in al qaeda and foreign terrorism |
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You were going to ignore me, remember? I have yet again weakened your resolve... |
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What happened in your lives to produce this much anger? Seriously? I say this not as an insult but ask if you have ever sought psychiatric counseling? This goes far beyond policy disagreements--you people are so unhinged I actually feel bad for you. Bill O'Reilly is an accomplice to murder? For what reason? Because he reported on the doings of a late term abortion provider, and in some instances a provider who killed babies even AFTER they were birthed? And you believe this somehow led another person to murder? Are you people deranged? Where is your humanity? Where is your basic decency? This is unfortunately all too common among left-wing commenters. You guys need to do some serious self-examination. I would be so thoroughly embarrassed by myself if I posted, even as an anonymous person, some of the comments I see here. But there is no shame among the hard-core left. Very sad. |
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Your party's mouthpieces are exacerbating the ignorant and misled in an effort to incite them to do their vicious bidding - precisely as O'Reilly has done by misrepresenting Tiller and casting him as a baby killer in the same vein as famous rightwingnut, Timothy McVeigh. Tiller provided a medical procedure for women who took their decision to end their pregnancies very much to heart and did not choose to do so lightly. McVeigh - an infamous rightwing murderer of children - plotted the demise of healthy, fully formed beings in an effort to send a message of hate.
The rightwing ALWAYS seems to miss the fact that domestic terrorism is found in the hearts of the misguided feeble minds that worship the words of miscreants who routinely lie on national television and radio to further their twisted cause, and the ONLY 'news' program that allows lies to go unchecked is FoxNewsm and the only radio shows that further falsehoods with impunity is rightwing shock talk.
Clean up your act, Republicans. |
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You just can't stand the thought that Tiller was a monster and a baby killer, and it didn't have squat to do with Bill O'reilly. He would have performed those heinous murders of the innocents if O'reilly had never existed. You show your ignorant, liberal bias every time you post your brainwashed diatribe. Why can't your conscience (if you have one) put the blame where it belongs, and why can't you agree that Tiller was a monster and the world and thousands of babys will be better off without him around? Why??? Because you're a stinking liberal, with a mind controlled mindset that will destroy America ~unless we stop you first.~ |
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What about taking a viable fetus from the mother and killing it isn't murder, molly? What is so noble about it that it makes him a martyr? And how did O'Reilly provoke his murder? Telling the truth about what Tiller did for a living shouldn't be a problem unless what he did was so evil that it outraged people. According to the latest poll, forty to fifty million people think ALL abortion is murder and the majority want a ban on late-term abortions. So the majority in this country are right wing fanatics because they want late term abortions to be illegal? While killing Dr. Tiller was murder, what he did was at least very wrong in the eyes of the majority, and murder to fifty million or so Americans. When every move to make third trimester abortions illegal are blocked, the frustration and outrage are bound to break out into violence at some point. That's not right, but it's real. |
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Did you hear the young girl telling about what that baby went through in the killing process initiated by TILLER THE "BABY KILLER"??????? O'reilly didn't put those words in her mouth, you filty piece of dung!!! That horrible procedure happened to that baby and she suffered many repercussions because of it. You're not fit to be called a human being, because you talk more like a ba$tard child of the devil. Your ilke shall surely burn in hell, and the sooner the better. I'd light the f-ing match! |
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You say it's 'legal' but do you really believe it's "MORAL?" |
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halfway intelligent question.
"A question to those who support abortion
You say it's 'legal' but do you really believe it's "MORAL?"
Me- I would say it depends on the circumstances. If the child is going to be born deformed, the pregnancy was the result of rape or incest, or is a serious health threat to the mother, then, yes, it is moral to do so.
If it is being performed as an alternative method of birth control because the woman slept with the wrong guy... meh, not so much.
I'd like to see a world where abortion never happens because we have a health care and education system that prevents unwanted pregnancies before they happen, and women aren't forced into abortion by bad economic circumstances. (How many women do you think are having abortions now because the economy is so bad?)
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Please do not ever have or be responsible for children. You are not fit to do so. |
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I hope they sue fox, because fox told people to kill tiller , right. |
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It's moral to murder the innocent result of rape or incest? Don't condemn the father, but kill the baby. You don't know a thing about these so called hard cases. I had a friend who was raped at 16, bore a baby, when the baby was a little over a year old, due to her mothers illness..she adopted her to a couple. That girl is grown and a teacher.
I know another family whose mother was the result of incest..these children have grown up to be productive members of society..college grads with professions, one other didn't graduate but is a successful businessman. Yet you would have them destroyed because of the circumstances of their conception.
Ethel Waters was the result of rape..she was a great lady, singer and actress.
My friend began a minstry to rape/incest victims,
and her experience has been that the ones who
did not abort, yet bore their babies were able to cope better with their rapes than those who
opted to abort..because instead of one violent trauma, there are two.
As for life of the mother, with medical technology today, it's rare. I happen to be
against that except in the case of ectopic pregnancy where there is no hope for the baby or the mother unless the baby is taken. And I
am the survivor of childbirth that went wrong, my life was in the balance..I woke up in ICU..so
MR stop talking through your hat! |
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having been active in pro life since the beginning I am FED up hearing the canards about how abortion is safe, how it really helps the woman in a crisis, and how wonderful Planned Barrenhood is..oh yeah and the excuse regarding coat hangers.
I have met too many women in these last 36 years who have to live with the pain of having aborted their babies..there is even an organization, Women Exploited by Abortion..WEBA's and even though they have repented (even when they were forced into it by boy friend/parent or whoever)and are forgiven, they are like wounded birds. It's heart breaking to see them living with their memories and regrets, remembering the due date that never came, thinking of it as their babies birthday. It's the rare woman who is so heartless she doesn't hurt for the rest of her life because she alone carries the burder of what might have been... And I can tell you that
most of these women are lied to, coerced, coaxed, and forced by parents, friends, boyfriends and so called pastors into this crime against them and their babies. O and has anyone ever mentioned the type of cancer that's common
among aborted women??? No one talks about the possibility of cancer because of abortion because as one abortion doctorquack told a friend of mine..'no one would come through those
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You don't get to kill people who do something that's legal just because you happen to think what they do is immoral.
Let's take an example away from abortion for a minute. Suppose you are in a state where prostitution is legal. You think it's immoral so you go there and shoot a prostitute.
Suppose you are in a state that permits gay marriage. You think it's immoral so when you see a gay couple coming out of the church, newly married, you shoot them dead.
There is not a special dispensation for killing if you think you're doing a good thing. |
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You Libs DO get to commit murder because it is legal AND you consider it moral.
It's called ABORTION. |
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Given the reality behind Bush's war of lies, his ineptitude and utter disregard of the warnings leading up to 9/11 and all the deaths that resulted from both, you have nothing to stand on in your argument about abortion - a procedure that is rare by comparison to Bush/Cheney/GOP deaths.
What you continue to ignore is that women are legally appointed the right to choose what is best for their body, and all that resides within it. What they do with that choice is NOT your business, it never has been regardless what you may think in your fevered mind. Until you can grasp the fact that you cannot bleat mindlessly about a woman's choice, while cheerleading on a failed war of lies and giving a pass on torture, you will NEVER be taken seriously on your piddling wedge issues. |
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This clip would do it for most women seeking an abortion. How positively awful and yes legal. I think the part that really got to me, besides the destruction of the baby, was how scary and lonely it must have been to this young girl. I guess what I am saying is she must have felt like a number - you know, one of many. Was the baby flushed down the toilet, or scooped out and then where to????
The good news is that more young women are realizing pro-life is a much healthier decision. It is one thing to have regret about giving up a baby to adoption, but to drop a dead baby into a toilet has got to be a pain forever. |
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This thread is about abortion, molly. As hard as it is for you to comprehend it, a lot of liberals and moderates are also against abortion. If you can't deal with the reality of the murder involved in late term abortions, as described accurately and honestly in the clip, your best bet is to change the subject, which is what you did.
Everyone has the right over their own body. Nobody has a right over another person's body, including the man who murdered Tiller. You might make an argument for first trimester abortion, and possibly second trimester. How anyone can consider third trimester abortion for anything except the absolute life of the mother is beyond all moral and logical comprehension. And this is why you find it necessary to change the subject. |
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Are you implying that this young woman is lying? That's pretty low even for you.
Lilly, you are comparing apples and oranges. In their warped thinking, vigilantes like Scott Roeder think they are preventing further murders of pre-born babies by taking out the abortionist. It's not merely a preference.
Still, what Scott Roeder did was wicked. He should fry. Only the civil magistrate has the authority from God to execute capital criminals. |
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The same people who are holding Dr. Tiller up as a martyr are slavering for the blood of the murderer. Ironic, isn't it? Killing viable fetuses is a merciful medical intervention, executing a nutty murderer is justifiable, but killing someone who has performed around ten thousand abortions on mostly viable fetuses is incomprehensibly horrible.
I'm against abortion, murder, and capital punishment. That's consistent, if sometimes hard to defend. Any liberals out there have the same consistency, or is murder great as long as it's a conservative nutcase or a nine month baby you're killing? |
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That Tiller was a mass murderer, and just because he was covered by left wing judges he cheated with the law to kill babies. Am I sorry hes been murdered, cant say I am, but the real thing is that O' reily isnt a part of it, he didnt pay this idiot to do it. You crazy idiot left wing idiots who praise baby killings, want to pin anything and everything on someone else, HOW ABOUT THE MAN KILLED BABIES, SO A NUT KILLED HIM.You probably side with
the tot-mom killer as well.You yell and chant the cheney and bush and all republicans suffer a brutal death, and then whine and threaten when one of you HERO murderers ges it.Dry up and go away. |
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I erred in my original assessment of you. Psychiatric help offers you nothing. You need to be locked up in a mental ward with 24 hour surveillance. You, my dear, are a danger to civil society.
Timothy McVeigh was inspired to blow up a federal office building because of talk radio? That's a new one to me. I'll give you fever swampers credit for one thing--your delusional, paranoid conspiracies certainly are creative... |
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Dear concerned citizens of the United States of America:
Today we witnessed an end to the death ministry of Dr George Killer (oops, Tiller). Dr. Tiller and Hitler had very much in common; they both waited for the winds-of-change to blow favorably in their direction. Changing Judiciary votes, preying on the amoral mindset of the majority or minority of our population, all contributed to the victimization of hysterical pregnant mothers (over 30,000,000 who became men's "Pleasure toys"), who later realized they are pregnant.
Dr Tiller and his assassin are both guilty of crimes against humanity, they are both serial killers. One just has more notches on his gun than the other one does! And neither one is a victim, for they both gave their life to an unworthy cause. Dr Tiller no longer has the option to repent, but hopefully his assassin will.
A wanted unborn = A life birthed child
The same, but unwanted unborn = A dead suctioned fetus
What a tragic dichotomy!
Primary solution to the Pro-Life Pro-Choice dilemma:
All of us do wrong and compare ourselves with others;
We are not more righteous* than hysterical pregnant mothers.
And if most women-with-child was loved by the child's father
She would smile and happily say "No abortion" why bother!
Ask God and the person you mated with to forgive you, forgive yourself and live the abundant life!!!
Sincerely,
Arthur Trafford
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Testimonials aside, I wouldn't force a victim of rape and incest the additional trauma of having to bring their abuser's baby into the world.
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Andrea writes: Monday, June, 01, 2009 12:24 AM
Propaganda, Axe?
Are you implying that this young woman is lying? That's pretty low even for you.
Me- I'm saying she's a spineless dishrag who let her parents force her into an abortion, and now she's being used by the nutter right to make Dr. Tiller look like a monster.
Come on, it's Dr. Tiller's fault she went on to become promiscuous and do drugs... before she found Jesus, of course.
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First of all any victim of rape can obtain an abortion during the first three months of pregnancy. Remember abortion is legal in this country. Abortion has also been legal at any stage of pregnancy when a mothers life is at stake. It does not take five or six months to decide of you want to keep the child. Only when a mother is in danger should late term abortion be permitted. Your argument that the rape victim or incest victim should not be forced to have a child is ridiculous. They are not forced by any means to continue a pregnancy. Late term abortion at will is by no means acceptable. Babies being taken when they are viable human beings is murder pure and simple. How you or any others on this board can claim that you are protecting a womans right to choose regardless of the circumstances shows that your quest to swing so far to the left is far more important than rational thinking. Tiller did not deserve to be murdered but neither did those thousands of babies he caused to be aborted. It is difficult to rationalize thinking that finds waterboarding a terrorist a decay in moral values but readily accepts the murder of a baby. |
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Your analysis of Molly is spot on. This type of sick hatred is dangerous. |
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In talking about rape and incest, I was referring to abortion in general.
The only time late term abortions are performed is either if the mother's health is in danger or the pregnancy has gone horribly wrong.
I mean, let's look at the kind of people who have an abortion in the eighth month. They've probably already picked out names, painted the babies room, picked out toys and a crib.
Then the doctor tells them that something has gone horribly wrong. The baby might be horribly deformed with some disease, it might not even survive birth.
Everyone's worst nightmare. But to have some self-serving bible thumping morons scream that they are murderers and kill maybe the only doctor who might be able to help them... that makes it so m uch worse.
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Abortion was always legal for mothers in peril. Many of the abortions performed by this doctor did not fall into that catagory. I am not a bible thumper nor do I believe that abortion rights should be taken away completely but I do believe that serious restrictions must be put on this procedure. Why with the libs must it be all or nothing. We all know that many of the abortions done by Tiller were not to save a mothers life. This must be stopped. The liberal community seems to pick and choose what makes us moral in this country. A country that allows late term abortion for no valid reason certainly has no moral values. Seems odd that more attention is being paid to waterboarding than to murder. |
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It has to be all or nothing, because the ONLY people who should be involved in this decision are the woman and her doctor. Not the government, not the churches, not the jerkwads who hold up signs and scream vile things...
As far as what you know about Tiller's practice, really? Have you seen all of his records. Did he write in the margin "Killed perfectly healthy baby today."
When you "conservatives" support better wages for working people, better education and health care programs for children, then maybe I will take you seriously on your deep concern about abortion. Until then, this is just a ruse by religious right to get you all worked up while distracting your attention away from the fact that big corporations are dismantling your middle class way of life. |
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Perhaps when you left loons accept the fact that it is time to take the union out of the education system our children can be educated properly. We certainly spend enough money, particularly in the depressed areas. Teachers should be expected to teach, not spout their personal opinions. They should be paid according to performance like everyone else. Money for college has been available for years for the under priveleged. No one can make them go. Most states have healthcare available for children. How do you propose that we make their parents responsible enough to use it. You sir are typical of the left. The government should be responsible for everything and everyone. People need to be responsible for themselves. If they have the desire they will get educated. My husband and I both managed to get our education without the help of parents or government. We took responsibility for ourselves. Maybe if we sent the illegals packing our own citizens could compete and make a decent living. The construction industry that employed many people without higher education has been completely taken over by illegals, leaving those who once made a decent living out in the colds. Yet you libs want to welcome them with open arms. Think before you post Axe. |
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You are fed up with meeting women who regret that they aborted their fetus or embryo? I expect that in your line of work you meet a skewed sample. I am going to introduce you to another sociological sample, not made up of nice middle-class girls who made a mistake with their boyfriends but of another kind of girl who, whether you like it or not, is a part of our reality.
Let me tell you that I am fed up too. I am fed up with reading in my morning paper that some cretinous parent or "mother's boyfriend" has stomped to death, tossed out the window, smashed a fist into, drowned in a bucket, scalded in the bathtub, or thrown into a wall an unwanted child. The right to life movement used to have a TV commercial showing happy little children laughing while in the background music played and we were soothed with lovely platitudes about there always being room at life's table.
There is NOT always room at life's table. Some people who get pregnant live more unthinking lives than animals and when they say "I don't want this baby", then for God's sake we should be paying attention. Because that baby is hugely at risk of being neglected or abused, beaten up, getting its bones broken, being chained to a radiator or locked in a closet, and being starved. An infant who cries is at risk. A toddler who says "No" is at risk. A three- or four-year-old who soils himself is at risk. Again and again in a big city paper, we read the big three parental excuses for child abuse and murder: crying, being sassy, and soiling. You are disturbed by the thought of an abortion? I am disturbed by the image of a child who can walk and talk trying to run for his life and screaming, "No, no, don't hurt me, I'll be good."
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Perhaps a good use of our taxpayer money would be to have an adaquate number of social services people to monitor children at risk. Thus far in this country these programs are underfunded. We spend billions to fund illegals but fail to fund important programs such as those that might protect our children. |
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After reading all the horror stories of murdered toddlers/infants, I am expected to accept the solution of having a "doctor" stab the unwanted baby in the back of his neck then suck his brains out? Oh, but maybe the "doctor" was "compassionate" by burning him with saline first. Problem solved!
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TO PUT "YOURSELVES" IN THE BABY'S PLACE?
Would YOU want to have a pair of scissors jammed into the back of YOUR skull and have the brains sucked out in a partial birth abortion?
How about the type of abortion where saline is injected into the uterus and the baby is burned to death AND THEN EXPELLED INTO A TOILET? Would any of you agree to be one of those victims? Baby's have feelings at just few months and the hideous and vile murdering techniques they suffer is unconscionable. And for any human being to not think that is a torturous and inhuman procedure, I can only say: You are not human, and you have no heart and no soul.
Unless and until you could, or would, say that either aborting procedure used isn't so bad, and you, yourselves would be willing to experience it yourselves, you are lieing hypocritic murdering accomplices.
And if you believe that a few thousand cells inside a woman's uterus does not a human make until it's born, LEAVE IT THE HELL ALONE AND LET IT BE BORN. YOU were a lump of cells at one time. Perhaps your mother should have decided to put you through that procedure because it wasn't so bad, or you weren't REALLY a human being until you were born.
One last thing: Would any of you liberals out there be willing to personally perform any type of abortion on a defensless, unborn baby? Answer honestly now!!
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"I'm against abortion, murder, and capital punishment. That's consistent, if sometimes hard to defend. Any liberals out there have the same consistency, or is murder great as long as it's a conservative nutcase or a nine month baby you're killing?"
What Tiller did in his clinic was horrible, but two wrongs did not make a right. 99% percent of prolifers abhor this sort of violence, but once again we are all going to be painted as violent extremists.
Also, the media is trying to portray Tiller as martyr. Once again, it was wrong to shoot him, but a HERO? This guy killed thousands of mostly viable babies -- unbelievable. |
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As usual the libs ignore how this procedure is done. They fill their posts with the woman's right to choose. Axe tried to justify himself by claiming that this procedure was only done to save the mother. I do not justify what this man did when he shot Tiller but surely I cannot justify what Tiller has been doing for years. Obviously, Tiller was not a fine committed physician. He was a radical pure and simple. Most physicians value human life and do everything they can to preserve it. Tiller on the other hand practice what can only be termed torture. I really wonder how these libs can claim we lost our moral value by waterboarding but show how moral we are by murdering unborn babies. They truly live by strange standards. |
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You call a 14 year old child a spineless dishrag because she didn't fight back against her parents on whom she was totally dependent at the time when they forced her to get an abortion? And we're nutters for calling Tiller a baby-killer? He was a hired assasin and her parents are accomplices. But, no worries it was legal! Just like slavery in 1850. |
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Yes Axe would rather call a 14 year old names than admit that what Tiller was doing was terrible. So much for the bleeding heart liberals caring about people. |
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The news just came through that two army recruiters were shot, one fatally, in Arkansas this morning. Are the lefties screaming for the silencing of conservatives going to also call for the silencing of leftists? After all, an attack on the military is almost certainly a left wing affair. Let's see how sincere we all are. |
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