Wednesday, January 07, 2009
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MEDIA MIS-STATEMENTS ABOUT ISRAEL’S “CREATION”
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Posted by:
Michael Medved at
4:58 PM
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In describing the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, media outlets often employ misleading language about the “establishment of Israel in 1948” or its “creation” by the U.N.
These phrases beg the question: was the U S “created” by the Treaty of Paris in 1783? The answer is that our country had already become a reality through the sacrifice of patriots who built it and fought for it. The same is true of Israel. Before the U.N. partition, Jewish pioneers had already established a dynamic, self-sufficient settlement on mostly empty land with some 600,000 residents. The thriving city of Tel Aviv rose on desolate sand dunes. Following official independence, 800,000 Jewish refugees from oppression in Islamic states vastly outnumbered all earlier refugees from the Holocaust.
Israel’s existence was an accomplished fact before it was recognized by the rest of the world
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I think alot of the comments against Israel's founding are by people who also believe Native Americans and Spanish should get their land back as well as the Germans in former Prussia, Lebanon to greater Syria,Yugoslavia, etc.
Look Israel was founded the way a number of nations were founded in the early 20th century. Populations were moved, exiled, etc. into new lands and then fought for a piece of that land. Poland wasn't evn a formal country until 1920 and it still took a second world war to push and pull people into its current configurations. The same with Pakistan and India except with hundreds of millions instead of thousands.
The reality is right and wrong will always remain a self perception. If you believe that a group of people calling themselves palestinian muslim arabs (As opposed to arabic jews, christian arabs, druze, nomads etc.) than you can make up any justification with power. Medved is doing the same thing here. Except he also has a country recognized by 90% of the world with an army capable of fending off the other 10%. Might becomes the only right.
I myself am a combination of jews who were thrown out of both Austria and Poland (And this was relatively recently (1937). What does that make me. Well an American. And this has been repeated millions and even billions of times.
Remember this though. Thousands of Jews were forcibly told to give up their status as Egyptians, Syrians, Iranians etc. They went to Israel because there was almost no other place for them. It is a little weird for some of those countries to now say that there is no home in the middle east for them because arabs in turn were thrown out of their homes. And so the cycle continues.
Also remember that Israel today is a country of 6 million jews, 1 million muslim arabs, and 200,000 assorted other groups. It is a tangible reality with a history and culture. You have to base the future on that reality and not self perception.
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Well, no, not so much. Larry devotes one sentence to the events of 1948, and has no discussion of the Israeli motivations.
It might be a good place to report my questions. |
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Please see Larry Elder's column today titled, "Israelis and Palestinians: Who's David, Who's Goliath?"
Its in today's columns here and also at WND.com
Maybe that may provide you with enough on the history involved in this conflict to answer your question. |
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There is no nationality or ethnicity known as "Palestinian."
There has never been a nation called "Palestine."
So-called "Palestinians" are as ethnically Arab as their (literal) cousins in Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria - as well as the Israeli Arabs (yes, there are plenty of these).
"Palestinian" is a political affiliation - a refusal to admit to being an Egyptian, Lebanese, Syrian, or Jordanian like the rest of your relatives, and a refusal to be a law-abiding Israeli Arab.
Nobody forced Arabs to live in Israel as opposed to the Arabic nations that were carved out of the same general territory back in the 40s. In fact, the UN and Israel both agreed to an Arab Palestine, but the Arabs rejected the formation of such a nation and moved to kill all the Jews. They failed, and Egypt, Jordan and Syria / Lebanon seized chunks of the land set down for Israel / Palestine before the war ended. The people living there were Egyptians, Jordanians, Syrians, and Lebanese as much as the folks living in the modern borders of those young nations.
I feel bad for the children and poor stuck under the heel of these monsters called "Palestinian Leaders." They should be living peacefully in Lebanon, Egypt, and Jordan - not being used as human shields by terrorists in Israel. |
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I asked in another thread, nobody would touch it:
(1) Why did the Jewish terrorists drive the war-weary and bankrupt British Authority from Palestine in 1947? Why did they wage a years-long campaign of insurrection and terror to accomplish this? Did they not anticipate that the surrounding Arab states and the Arab population of Palestine would almost certainly attack and try to exterminate them?
No one ever addresses this disconnect. The cynic in me says that the Israelis must have been confident of their ability to seize as much of an 'Eretz Isael' as they wanted in the bloodbath that was sure to follow the kicking out of international supervision a decade or so too soon. I'm open to other explanations, indeed I wish I could imagine a more pro-Israeli one, but
nobody ever even addresses this question. This leaves me know option but to regard these actions as not just biting, but chewing off up to the shoulder, the hand that fed you for 40-odd years.
(2) Do you think that Israel would welcome a massive international presence in the West Bank and Gaza, say something in between the sizes of the U.S. presences in Afghanistan and Iraq, in order to ensure the safety and security of Israel during thee construction of a viable, stable, and peaceful Palestinian state? |
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and realistic, they will continue the war until Hamas surrenders unconditionally. |
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Medved's little post is a perfect illustration. When you say something negative about Israel first you are insulted, then you are told you're ignorant and don't know anything, and then if you're lucky you're given a tiny, misleading, and Israel-Serving slice of the truth like what Michael supplies above.
And even that has inaccuracies. Palestine at the turn of the century had around 100K residents, and Jews were a small minority among them. |
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I support the creation of a Sovereign Palestinian State, but it's really not fair to say that "Israel=Land Grab". Israel was crated by the same European Colonial Powers that made Iraq, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, & other countries in that part of the world.
It's funny that many in those countries say Israel has no right to exist, but aren't about to give back their own countries. |
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Why is the water different? Both have access to the river and what rain falls. The difference is in the mind-set of the folks. Folks in Israel make thing work regardless of hardship. I've been to Israel many, many times and have spent a fair amount of time in various Arab countries. I like the Arabs and I like the Jews, but the Jews are more impressive in how they do things. |
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OK I think Medved's comment have stirred lots of ridiculous banter. Lets look at the here and now. Israel has been an independent nation for 60 years. Israel though made an enormous error by not giving back the Gaza strip to Egypt. Israel also should have settled the situation in the West Bank quickly. Instead this has been drawn out and gotten worse and worse.
On the other hand the palestinians have continuously been shooting themselves in the foot. They could easily have used the UN to their benefit by forming cicil institutions and then forcing the Israeli's into a final accomadation. Instead they kept fighting and for years did not even acknowledge the existence of Israel. Now it is late in the game. At some point a final compromise must be reached. |
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the Israeli Knesset. How does that translate to oppression of arabs or genocide?
Muslims own land and businesses in Israel. Some idiots ignore the facts.
No muslim or arab was forced by the Israeli government to flee Israel in 1948 or even in later years.
There would be no fighting in Israel, the West Bank or Gaza if the Arabs and muslims were not perpetuating it. |
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There was no Palestine!! Historical fact. Yes Arabs lived in British!!British Territory. That government gave it to the Jewish people. Where is the illegality there?
Terrorism? As soon as Israel became a Nation AGAIN!! they were attacked. Historical, undeniable fact.
I could go on, but unless one is willing to acknowledge the truth, it seems pointless. Don Juan that document you gave a link is not factually true, Britains intent had been for a while to make it a Jewish homeland, see the Balfour Declaration... A FACTUAL historical document. Historical fact: It was a Jewish homeland, that was taken by the Romans, and so on until it was in British hands, and then given back to the Jews. There never at any point was Jordanian(those that are now called Palestinians), ownership of the land. |
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What you say is easily proven . . .
One only has to look across the Jordan River from Israel from almost any location. Looking down the plain on the Israeli side, one sees miles and miles of lush plantations. Looking across the river into Jordan, one sees miles of sand, briers and rocks. Same land, same water and same climate -- different folks.
There are books in print and old-time movie reels which show that the Arab countries made a lot of promises to the Arabs living in what is now Israel that many good things would happen to them if they would get out of the way for the Arab attacks in 1948. Many left on their own -- and the Arabs did nothing for them and they were stuck without a country. The Arabs who stayed seem to be doing pretty well and I base this on many trips to Israel between 1980-1990. Some Arabs are even in government posts. The towns and villages inhabited by mainly Arabs look no different than those inhabited mainly by jews. |
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You're grossly misinformed. Or, intentionally disingenuous.
Jews lived in Judea a thousand years before Islam even existed.
Palestine has never existed. Unless you mean the territory now claimed by Jordan. Do some research and you'll find that Palestinians were named by Romans, (Phillistines), and are origianally Greeks.
As for HAMAS, we've all seen what a fine group of humanitarians they are. There would be peace in Gaza today if HAMAS would simply decide to stop killing Israelies. How is it Egypt and Isreal are now living in peace together?
Truth,
Kryteon
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Was there ever a sovereign nation called Palestine? All of the research I have done says...no there never was. Palestine referred to the region, but not a nation...in this sense they are all Palestinians...right??? |
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Palestinians were not told to pack up and move, in fact, Israelis bought the property they had, tried to live as neighbors with the Palestinians and asked the Palestinians to stay.
It was the Arab armies, who said Palestinians should flee while they were busy driving the Jews into the Sea. Some Palestinians stayed and were welcomed into Israel. Many left and thus were shut out when Irael defeated the Arab armies in 1948. Those same arab states, except for Jordan, refused to allow any of those Palestinians to be citizens of their countries. |
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Go watch Exodus if you need a reminder. That is hardly the full history of the endeavor, but it gives you an idea of what they were dealing with that that time. |
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The Zionism movement began in 1897 and only ended in 1948. In the interim it moved those thousands of Jews into Palestine along with the complicit assistance of the English protectorate. The establishment of modern Israel was a specific design conducted over 50 years and the Palestinians were always viewed as just another problem to be dealt with. Then of course Israel loves the UN when it is giving them land and tells the UN to "shove it" when they are asked to return lands taken.
Sorry gang but Judaism is not be stealing other peoples property and persecuting them. Modern Israel conducts itself irrespective of UN opinion or world opinion or their own religious tenants. They conduct ethnic cleansing as a matter of state policy. They are a sham and are shameful.
The Arabs who lived in Palestine in 1300 were the same ones living there in 1900. By 1950 their centuries old homeland was gone and not because they voluntarily left. The Middle East has not seen peace since and now has the world verging on war. The Muslim religion sees Israel as another religious crusade and it is hard to refute that claim. |
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You are right in one way Israel was plopped. Why? Because the whole world was embarrashed for the way they turned their backs on the holocaust. Millions were killed. Now another thing to note is it was Egypt and Jordan who agreed to take away some of the Palestinian land to give to the Jews after they go their butts kicked in the 60's. But then again we could go back thousands of years and justify anything with some history.
The bottom line is this. A peaceful country like Israel doesn't deserve to feel the rockets down their collective throats every day. In fact it was after giving up parts of the Gaza that the Palestinians agreed to live in peace. Yada Yada Yada. Same old song same of dance. I believe that fanatic Islamic factions believe that all Jews should 'go back into the oven'. As was demonstrated in Florida's protest. I for one will not sit back idly and watch as yet another generation of jews is slaughtered.
Plus there's the benefit of them doing the due dilegence of ridding the world of yet another terrorist organization. |
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This is not worth fighting over. The story of the establishment of Israel is clear as well as the story of the territories.
There is only one issue now. What to do with the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank. Clearly Gaza is in an impossible situation. Nobody wants them except to remain outcasts and terrorists. They will be a thorn in the side of Israel and Egypt for some time to come.
Israel though has to try and save the West Bank.Clearly absorbing it into Israel and making all Arabs Israeli citizens will not happen. Israel cannot repeat the mistakes it made in Gaza, but Gaza'a problems give the West Bank a fighting chance.
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It was the Jews who made Israel a thriving success when they reclaimed the territory. The Arabs had been "occupying" that land for a long time and, like many Arab countries today, did little to improve their plite.
Look at the accomplishments of Israel and the major Arab countries. Now minus out oil prosperity and see which would still be thriving. |
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what I wonder would be the words from your idiotic mouths, if the rockets that were being fired were from canada or no MEXICO, and were landing in la or disneyland or the city of orange. or san deigo, the mexicans believe that we stole their land and they want it back, so what would you want our response to be.I know that if France was being rocketed they would just surrender as they always do, is that what you would expect us to do really. Why should isreal accept it and turn the other life to be destroyed, I dont think so. Its politicians who alway want to have discussions and talks, thats what evil leaders expect and relish for its what gives them their propaganda roads and politicians dont care who dies for most arent a MCCAIN who actually was willing to fight for this country or a JOHN KENNEDY who fought for this country as well.Isreal need to erase the terrorist hasas completely and the idiot in iran as well. And all you liberal nuts and jerkoff countries who dont like it TOO BAD. |
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what I wonder would be the words from your idiotic mouths, if the rockets that were being fired were from canada or no MEXICO, and were landing in la or disneyland or the city of orange. or san deigo, the mexicans believe that we stole their land and they want it back, so what would you want our response to be.I know that if France was being rocketed they would just surrender as they always do, is that what you would expect us to do really. Why should isreal accept it and turn the other life to be destroyed, I dont think so. Its politicians who alway want to have discussions and talks, thats what evil leaders expect and relish for its what gives them their propaganda roads and politicians dont care who dies for most arent a MCCAIN who actually was willing to fight for this country or a JOHN KENNEDY who fought for this country as well.Isreal need to erase the terrorist hasas completely and the idiot in iran as well. And all you liberal nuts and jerkoff countries who dont like it TOO BAD. |
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lola and michael, crawl back into the hole your from.The jewish state is not a terrorist nation and the palistinian government are and continue to be just that. Because you are so ignorant and unable to think clearly with all that kool-aid youve been served it is a waste of everyone and anyones time or effort to rationally discuss this with you and so I wont bother, go live in iran or palistine or france or any of those countries you seem to admire and please waste you ignorant words on huffington post or one of those bolgs where the words will count, this blog is for people with brains in their head not words from their A--.go away. |
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Current day Israel was a land of 600,000 jews and 400,000 Arabs in 1948. About half of those Arabs left Israel to settle the West Bank and Gaza Strip (Which already had large populations). The other half stayed is Israel and became Israeli citizens.
The fact is though that Israel was not an independent jewish state until 1948 instead of a land of jews and arabs administered by theBritish. So the media comments are still correct. It is true that many people do not know that Israel was a Jewish land well before 1948 but that is another story.
The same thing with out country. Up to 25% of the citizens of what became the United States were tories who continued to look on themselves as British citizens. Before 1783 all Americans were essentially British Citizens so 1783 was definately the establishement of an independent nation. |
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