Saturday, December 27, 2008
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Saltsman Distributes "Magic Negro" Song to RNC
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Posted by:
Amanda Carpenter at
8:06 AM
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Lots of people are raising their eyebrows at a distasteful campaign mailer RNC Chair hopeful Chip Saltsman sent to his fellow Republicans.
Saltsman sent RNC members one of Rush Limbaugh's CD's containing the parody song "Barack the Magic Negro" written by Paul Shanklin. Saltsman said it was a "joke" but some Republicans aren't buying it. Especially those who are active in promoting the race online.
"I think that RNC members have the good humor and good sense to recognize that his [Shanklin's] songs for the Rush Limbaugh show are light-hearted political parodies,” Saltsman told The Hill newspaper.
One GOP activist who goes by the name aureliusmaximus on Twitter wrote, "satire or not it was completely inappropriate for someone running for RNC chair to do - time to drop out Saltsman." (There's more discussion of the controversy on this RNC feed HERE.)
Saltsman's controversial mailer may hurt another RNC Chair hopeful. It reminds many race watchers that South Carolina GOP Chairman Katon Dawson has been tagged as racially insensitive for belonging to an all-white country club.
Update: There's been lots of reaction since I posted yeseterday. Current RNC Chairman Mike Duncan and Michigan GOP Chairman Saul Anuzis are firmly against the mailer. RNC member Ada Fischer, who is a black woman, wrote a letter urging her colleagues to vote against Saltsman over this, but perhaps most shocking reaction is that of former Ohio Secretary of State Ken Blackwell. He's defending the mailer. Here is the statement he gave to Politico.
BLACKWELL: "Unfortunately, there is hypersensitivity in the press regarding matters of race. This is in large measure due to President-Elect Obama being the first African-American elected president. I don't think any of the concerns that have been expressed in the media about any of the other candidates for RNC chairman should disqualify them. When looked at in the proper context, these concerns are minimal. All of my competitors for this leadership post are fine people."
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It's one thing when an entertainer does it[and I like Rush]but it's another thing when a Gop rep says it and if Saltsman doesn't know the difference than he is too stupid to hold the office.I hate this P.C. crap and the fact that we are told we have to reach out to recruit minorities. Instead we should be touting good conservative values and the advantages these can bring in this great country.Dinosaurs like Saltsman need to be weeded out! |
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Saltsman sent a CD, and one of the songs was found to insensitive. Who was it that called Barak "the Magic Negro," in the first place? Hint: It wasn't Rush, and it wasn't the songwriter.
While I agree it might not have been in good taste, I don't think it disqualifies Saltsman for anything. If he is not a good candidate, he will be weeded out eventually in a natural process. Constantly walking on eggshells has gotten the Republican Party exactly where?
As for Dawson and his all-white country club--if someone was upset with Obama's racist church membership and Dawson's all-white country club membership, that is consistent. If someone is upset about the all-white country club and he or she has given a pass to Obama's church membership that is hypocricy. |
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After all the Democrats have openly said about Bush and the GOP, often untruths, they would have the gall to get upset with a comedic (although insensitive) song! The entertainment industry do things much worse than this in the name of the Democrats on a daily basis. What hypocrits!
Even worse is GOP people continuing their practice of eating their young. Notice they rarely complain about things said about the GOP whether in jest or not!
A member of the GOP being connected with the song in this day and age was however not too bright. |
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Saltzman is the epitome of the racially sensitive politician with a warm human touch that people not named "Chip" can still identify with! Thanks for helping, Chip! I see the RNC is hard at work for 2010. Fast learners, them.
Now, let's see...
where did i put the Conservative Party literature? |
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Obama has painted a false target on himself just hoping people will strike. It gives him more "victimhood," donchaknow. |
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I think its time that social conservatives went off and formed their own party-they should take Limbaugh and all of his imitators with them as well. Social conservatives have proven to be the most worthless bunch of cowards the GOP even let under the big tent.
When the time came to stop the bailouts the social conservatives stayed at home re-arranging their sock drawers.
Just say one word about religion, abortion, or immigration and they want to grab the torches and pitchforks! Social conservatives seemed to have forgetten what fiscal responsibility means.
Seems the same groundswell that mobilized to stop the immigration bill just went limp wristed at the sight of Bush handing out a billion dollars to anybody with an overdue credit card bill.
Fine job there fellows.
Chip is a loser who ran a loser campaign. Certainly the RNC is not seriously considring this reject as its next chairman?
Oh I forgot-Mike Duncan will probably win and we will get mre of the same fine leadership that let Obama steamroll over them into office. |
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How about we quit the knee jerk reaction to racial issues and stop trying to demonize our own every time they say something that could potentially be some sort of racist remark (Macaca anyone?)
We've become so paranoid about political correctness that we're destroying our own politicians before the left even sniffs at them and it's got to stop. |
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Let's see, "Ican see Russia from my house", Who said that? Sarah Palin? Wrong! Mission accomplished? George Bush? Wrong! WMD's? Bush? True! Along with EVERY intelligence agency in the world! Brownie? True! Yet you never mention Nagin or Blanco. Wonder why? It's all "great stuff", almost as funny as " i've been to 57 states now, with one more to go" or " i've sat in this hate filled racist church for twenty years and never heard a thing" Now THAT is funny! |
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This is what I've been saying.The left is better at it because they absolve themselves of any responsibility.If we talk the talk than we must walk the walk.I don't mind political bluntness as long as it's factually correct but our reps must be be smarter than Saltsman to keep a focus on our message |
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"They absolve themselves of any responsibility". How true my friend. Here's one example, the auto bailout. The dems blamed Bush and the Republicans when it didn't pass with the 60 votes needed, it got 52 yea's 8 shy of the 60 needed. Yet they never mention, ready, VOTING NO- Baucus, Lincoln, Reid, Tester. NOT VOTING- Biden, Kennedy, Kerry, Wyden. All Democrats! You do the math, because Pelosi and the MSM won't. Take care. |
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This is the kind of incident that contributes to the meme of conservatives/Republicans being racists. To use Limbaugh's parody out of its original context looks like racism to me and I'm not paranoid about racists hiding behind every corner in the Rep party. It is an inexcusable action. This is just more of the same stupid incompetent 'leadership' that gave us 6 years of Rockefeller Rep free spending, bigger deficits, more entitlement programs, and John McCain as candidate. What is an idiot like Saltsman doing in the party to begin with. The party is doomed unless morons like this are purged. |
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who said we can solve the gas cost "crisis" by inflating our tires?
who said of a photo of earth from space "it's upside down"?
When you have a cast of characters like Reid, Pelosi, Boxer, Waters, Lantos, Waxman, Fwank, Kennedy - any Kennedy just pick one, Jackson, Dodd, Biden, Gore, Kerry and the list goes on - I would think all your time would be spent laughing (and crying) at what they say before you had time to laugh at Repubs. |
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Sending it to all your rowdy white,anglo-saxon protestant friends is jus axin fo it. |
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Saltman (magic negro video). Republican response, " kick the bum out". Al Franken (dispicible RAPE comments). Democrat's response, "1 million + votes and a possible Senate seat". Hell, he was even endorsed by the lovely liberal woman of N.O.W. You can't make this stuff up if you tried! Can you say DOUBLE STANDARDS? I can. |
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" It's up side down". Are you serious? Did someone really say that? Also, thanks for the belly laugh, ("Fwank") that's funny stuff. |
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that was the well known scientist AlGore who said the photo was upside down.
AlGore is a history wiz as well. He went to Montecello and asked "who are these people?" as he pointed to a bust of Jefferson and Washington... |
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of all of the political correctness garbage! I for one LOVED the "magic negro" parody! I still laugh out loud everytime Rush plays. When are people going to stop whining over anything that could potentially be perceived as racially insensitive? The PC Nazis can GTH! When will conservatives and the GOP grow a pair and stop playing into the hands of white guilty liberals???
If anyone on the left tries to say this song is some kind of "proof" that the GOP is racist, we should just laugh, shrug, and say "no its not, its just proof that you whiny liberals have NO sense of humor"
"I can see my house from hear?" Please that kind of demeaning humor is thoughtless and juvenile. I'm sure the kids in junior high school love Tina Fey. |
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done stepped in it now, he committed an un PC unpardonable sin for which he'll surely burn in hell!
By all the hypocritical sanctimonious screeching coming from the guilt ridden lib/commies and rinos, you'd think he murdered someone!
Whatever his qualifications were or were not,...he's dead meat now.
We are living in a thin skinned PC world, ad nauseum,.....what's next, thought crimes?
It's just a parody, for Chrissakes, get over it people. |
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Of course its a good parody and it belongs in the entertainment venue but it isn't appropriate coming from the leader of the RNC.Yes we are judged on a different scale and we are constantly assaulted by the liberal PC police but our leaders have to be smarter than this.I'm not saying to give in or reach out I want to engage,engage,engage whenever the opportunity presents it's self.We lost the high ground when we became like them,It's time we took it back. |
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and prefers the black people and his black heritage, and it seemed pretty 'magical' to me that he comes from the south side of Chicago, as a NOBODY Senator with 148 days in actual service to soar to the top of the democratic ticket and become Americas "Golden Boy" who was idolized by MILLIONS OF drooling horny women from coast to coast and brainwashed college students, and all for what? I mean, WHY? He has the ability to preach like Martin Lutheran King did and deliver a speech that was (written for him) pretty well. Other than that he was and is a nobody who hung with the Chicago Mafia and every friend or acquaintance he has had a relationship with since college has been a nefarious low life cretin who should be in prison for one crime or the other. Yeah I'd say the song fits very well, and I'd say it's funny. And I'd say to hell with anyone who doesn't like ti. It's still a free country - for now, anyway! |
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The RNC is trying (supposedly) to ATTRACT new people, not repel them. Playing into the stereotype that the Left has pounded them with for 60 years is stupid. I see many people still don't get how to play the game. Good luck Repubs, keep on doing what you're doing and damnitall to everyone else. Have fun losing.
Meanwhile, we conservatives will keep looking for a home where intelligence and common sense live. |
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out of this? Do you realize that 90+% of comedians are liberals? Many of them are angry liberals (see the Bill Maher show for a who's who of angry liberal comedians, hello Tim Robbins). And most of these angry liberal comedians make jokes ad naseum at the expense of Republicans and conservatives.
Do you hear our side whining about how "insensitive" it is for these people to make fun of us??? Of course not, because they're free to say what they want. Likewise, we should not dignify their cries of "insensitivity" when our side makes some jokes at the expense of the left. I just wish there were more jokes about the left, b/c these people are just asking to be made fun of. |
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From the Jawa Report:
"I think it is important to remind the idiots in the mainstream media and on the left - of whom there is no shortage - that this phrase originated from a LIBERAL columnist. David Eherenstein is a LIBERAL columnist for the LA Times, you adorable little fact-challenged journalists and leftards. The operative word here is LIBERAL COLUMNIST DAVID EHERENSTEIN, not "Rush Limbaugh." If you want to spray your faux-outrage, spray it in his direction, for this is a creation of one of your own. This phrase did not originate on the Rush Limbaugh show. He merely repeated it (and also foretold that by him playing it, it would be picked up and attributed to him, which of course, happened). You lefties would be hilarious if you weren't so g*******d predictable, but wise man say -"don't let the facts get in the way of a good circle jer* of manufactured outrage."
THANK YOU JAWA!! My sentiments exactly. |
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SMART people to the GOP - NOT brain dead, "don't recognize SATIRE when they see it" idiot lefty PC types who point their fingers at other's behavior ALL THE TIME while IGNORING their OWN WORSE behavior.
Let the Dems keep the idiots.
ScarletPimpernel writes: Saturday, December, 27, 2008 4:36 PM
missing the point
The RNC is trying (supposedly) to ATTRACT new people, |
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"we conservatives will keep looking for a home where intelligence and common sense live. "
Yeah good luck finding that one.
As it is you social conservatives and your compassionate conservatism seem to have destroyed the modern GOP with socialism under the guise of free market protectionism.
One should hope that many follow your lead and start a politcal movement more to your liking and temperment. |
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Ex-Tex,
What's the link for the Jawa Report? Would love to send it to 5-6 journalists. |
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Current RNC chair Mike Duncan just condemed Saltzman for doing this. Duncan will retain his chairmanship and the RNC will get more of the same stellar leadership that we've seen over the last few years.
Steele, Blackwell, and Anzuis are losers just like Saltzman. Katon Dawson was too stupid to realize how politcally suicidal it was to belong to an all white country club. Seems with all the talk and accusations we were busy leveling at Rev. Wright we forgot about the our own racists in the closet.
Duncan will defeat these weak sisters because if nothing else they have shown a marked inability to win their own local races. I guess if you can't do you teach right?
Looks like the GOP still has some pretty basic lessons to to learn. |
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I'll simplify it even more for y'all:
Most people don't have time nor inclination to research everything like some of us do. The story started with an LA Times writer, a dem/lib old timey NAACP dinosaur - that's true. Then Rush mentioned it. Then he had Shanklin do a parody of it. Now, ask yourselves, if you had not listened to Rush, would you have any frikken idea about where this came from? Of course not, nor should you. Not until you research, which most people don't.
As the speaker, it is my responsibility to get you, the audience to understand what i'm saying. I've been pretty clear so far, but some of you are slow so I have to struggle to find another way for you to comprende.
Think of the audience you're trying to attract: black conservatives, halfway sober white mods, and Hispanic folks under pressure to stay Brown -who have been cowed for years into voting for Dems because the GOP is the Bogeyman. Truth does not matter one iota at this point. What matters is GIVING THEM A REASON TO BE BRAVE ENOUGH TO CROSS THE AISLE. Do you get it yet? Bringing up the word "Negro" out of the mouth of someone named Chip for a cheap laugh is reckless and stupid.
and i'm conservative all the way, not just socially. Take off your Repub glasses and you'll see more clearly. You suckers have no friends right now. Better get these jokers in the RNC to wise up fast. Or we could all vote Conservative Party like we ought to anyway. I did just that last month. Put your votes where your mouths are. |
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I love satire,I like Rush,I abhor the PC police and I hate politicians who aren't smart enough to see the big picture.Let Rush ,Coulter and us on TH handle the satire,I want more responsibility from my leaders. |
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well said. I'm still looking for the upside of Chip's humorous attempt. Who is he trying to attract? |
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You said that with a minimum of satire and earned the maximum amount of respect from me. See how that works everybody! |
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didn't seem to hurt Howard Dean's ability to be the DNC chairman.
What I want from an RNC chairman is someone that will return the party to its conservative roots, and then go out and attract new members to the GOP by explaining all of the many reasons why conservatism is just plain better than liberalism. Someone that will educate the masses on how it is in fact the ideology of our founding fathers and the ideology that will fight to preserve our individual freedoms. I don't really give a rat's petutie if that same person sends some CDs to his colleagues with some funny song parodies on it. I just want someone that can be effective at promoting conservative candidates within the party. |
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I protest the song because while Obama is a negro like myself, he lacks any magic and his pedestal made of steyrofoam should not be given this much attention. When will america get to the place where calling a white president a 'cowboy' can be treated the same as calling a half black president 'community organizer'. When that time in history comes - then we will be a tad bit closer to a more perfect union. Equal opportunity sattire is fine with me and all other americans who understand the difference between racial insults and sattire. While we are at it, can anyone call the guy who threw a shoe at Bush and say 'merry christmas' and "jesus is the reason for the season' - that's what I thought! |
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a conservative (including social issues Frank! and I'm quite sick and tired of some so called
conservative/repubs always attacking those of us who have religious conservative values..something Rockefellar Repubs are sadly lacking, ditto RINO's..the road kill that gave us McC). I vote Republican but they are going to be on notice that I will be very picky about the next candidates they send us. I will vote
for individual conservative candidates. Having said all that, I think it's about time we get a life!
In fact isn't ridicule one of Saul Alinsky's
rules..which our O seems to be able to foist on
people through his surrogates..we didn't hear him
saying anything to his minions regarding the
incredible vitriol often disguised as 'humor' against SARAH. Nor did we hear this 148 day wonder in his interminable campaign tell his minions to put a sock in their mouths regarding President Bush who is STILL President til this fraud takes his oath swearing to uphold a document he regards a flawed.
This parody is beside the point, you don't win
followers by pandering to their race or ethnicity, you win followers by speaking the truth, and standing up with backbones to the
thugs that are destroying our country rather than rolling over and piddling on themselves like they have for 8 years, like submissive dogs.
And this 'magic negro' paroday is a tempest in a teapot..proves one thing, politicians will look for any advantage over someone if they can get away with it. Ya think maybe the ones going after Saltzman had other candidates in mind? |
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I am going to beat this dead horse one more time,only because if you read my posts and your posts we are not that far apart except that you neglected to mention common sense.Read Scar P's post again with an open mind. |
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Caught you lying yet again.......
You quote Palin as saying "I can see Russia from my house"........
She NEVER said that....
She said "You can see Russia from Alaska".......
BTW.....that's the truth.....
You CAN see Russia from the Aleutian Islands (part of Alaska for you Dim-o-rats).......
Now for something really funny..........
Obama...."I've been to all 57 states, 2 to go....." |
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"If anyone on the left tries to say this song is some kind of "proof" that the GOP is racist"
No proof is needed.
"we should just laugh, shrug, and say "no its not, its just proof that you whiny liberals have NO sense of humor ... Do you realize that 90+% of comedians are liberals?"
The mark of the true wingnut: an ability to keep multiple contradictory opinions in his head simultaneously. |
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The reason this is a big deal is because the man is trying to become someone who represents an institution. When you represent the institution (the RNC), the things about you speak for the institution.
If this is the kind of nonsense the RNC is going associate itself with, then it's even more out of touch than anybody thought.... MSM or whatever. |
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does it and they can do it in a headline for the column to boot:
"Obama the 'Magic Negro'
The Illinois senator lends himself to white America's idealized, less-than-real black man.
By David Ehrenstein, L.A.-based DAVID EHRENSTEIN writes about Hollywood and politics.
March 19, 2007"
"AS EVERY CARBON-BASED life form on this planet surely knows, Barack Obama, the junior Democratic senator from Illinois, is running for president. Since making his announcement, there has been no end of commentary about him in all quarters — musing over his charisma and the prospect he offers of being the first African American to be elected to the White House."
"But it's clear that Obama also is running for an equally important unelected office, in the province of the popular imagination — the "Magic Negro.""
"Like a comic-book superhero, Obama is there to help, out of the sheer goodness of a heart we need not know or understand. For as with all Magic Negroes, the less real he seems, the more desirable he becomes. If he were real, white America couldn't project all its fantasies of curative black benevolence on him."
Ehrentstein admits to his own stress, because of his last name, in being forced to straddle the line between being an authentic or inauthentic black.
Obama is always acting presidential. Time will tell if he can convincingly portray the part of a real president.
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As usual, your post makes no sense. Unlike the loony left can do when our side makes a jok, I can actually laugh at the jokes that those liberal comedians tell when they are actually funny. You cant turn on Comedy Central without seeing some liberal comedian and yet I watch that channel all the time. Why? Because like most on my side, I have a sense of humor.
And unlike your side, I would NEVER try to shut someone up or take away their rights as guaranteed under the 1st (and 2nd) amendment. |
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From this social conservative, I hope you will accept my invitation for your departure from the Republican party.
What has destroyed the GOP is not social conservatism, but 3 groups: RINOs, Don't-Tax-Me-Bro Conservatives (supposedly "fiscal" conservatives, except they don't actually care about balanced budgets -- funny that), and libertarians who think they ought to be able to be as much of a jerk as possible.
As for Saltsman, here's my take on things: (1) Yes, it was politically stupid. That kind of stuff may work as a personal joke and on talk radio, but that can't be coming from the head of a political party. (2) Those who want someone else to win the RNC chair are going to try and make this into a bigger mess than it actually is.
Conclusion? Don't bother with Saltsman, but do take the time to kick out the aforementioned groups from the GOP and rebuild from that point on up. |
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"You CAN see Russia from the Aleutian Islands (part of Alaska for you Dim-o-rats)."
Nah, the Aleutians are a long, long way from Russia, about as far as Wasilla. You may be thinking of the Diomede islands, but they are not part of the Aleutian chain, and nowhere near it.
Calling other people "dim" in a sentence where you are displaying your own ignorance is particularly amusing. |
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The Komandor Islands are geographically part of the Aleutian islands, and yet they belong to guess who???? Russia!!! I would say you could see Russia from the Aleutian islands....uh I mean the Komandor Islands. |
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I’m afraid it falls to me to awaken both of you from your eight year stupor to introduce you to our country’s great new reality – KNOW THE FACT BEFORE YOU ACT.
Go back and read my post and tell me where I attributed quotes to Bush or Palin. (I’ll wait…)
Oooooh. Kinda embarrassing, huh. Was that GOP reporting?
The Bush years are over my friends. You will now be accountable for the truth. |
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you ought to try breaking out your atlas and you'll see that you would be able to see Russia from the Aleutians (Attu Island) AND Diomede Island (also a part of Alaska)....
BTW....what does that have to do with Palin NEVER saying she could see Russia from her house??????
More lies from the loony left......
She said Russia could be seen from Alaska.....
What no comments about Obummer's brain-storm that he had "visited 57 states, 2 more to go"....????????
Quite frankly, Munckey Pile, YOU are the dimbulb of this blog....... |
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William "the Weak" is rivaling Munckey Pile for "mental midget of the year" award.....
may the slowest mind of you two be the winner!!!!!!
LMAO!!! |
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You got it wrong -- so I enlightened you. No need to be hostile about it.
In the future don't get mad -- get accurate.
That's all we ask. |
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maybe you're the "new" Slick Willie.......
nothing but lies and innuendo being produced by you........
Have you ever said either of the following????
........" I did NOT have sexual relations with that woman".......
Or........"It's according to what the meaning of what the word "is" is.........
a lie and an idiotic statement, respectively of course...... |
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"you ought to try breaking out your atlas and you'll see that you would be able to see Russia from the Aleutians (Attu Island)"
According to Google Earth, the westernmost tip of Attu Island is over 200 miles from the eastern tip of Ostrov Mednyy, the nearest part of Russia. There is a tiny, apparently unnamed bit of land about 65 miles closer. Needless to say, you can't see one from the other; the horizon is 60 miles away for a person standing on a 2500-foot hill.
"what does that have to do with Palin NEVER saying she could see Russia from her house??????"
No one said that she did, either here or elsewhere. That was Tina Fey's line on SNL, and it got a good laugh. |
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Great post @ 5:43 pm. took the words right out of my head.
To quote an old add campaign; "image is everything".
we got 2 b smarter about getting the conservative message to resonate with the new younger demographic.
When I cast my vote in November I scanned the room and noticed that most of the voters waiting in line were young. I knew we were in trouble that night.
The political landscape had changed, like it or not. we better get a handle on it and quick. |
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Nice spin! Tell me, if you weren't attributing the quotes to Bush and Palin, then who? Jezz, some people (yourself) just won't admit when they get caught trying to pass off the same old tired liberal talking points as facts.PATHETIC! |
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Also YOU said "the GOP can be pretty hilarious, they gave us" "they have WMD's", yet left out the FACT the very same thing was said by many in the Dem. party! From Slick Willie and Hillary to Kerry and Pelosi. Yeah, nothing but the facts. Right William? |
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That song was only one of several songs that were on that CD and was specifically selected out to imply that Saltsman is a racist. Anyone who impugns the character of another because of their enjoyment of the Rush Limbaugh program and the parody works of Paul Shanklin should step out of the race immediately.
It's those Rockerfeller "Let's hang our own party members before the Democrats can and earn brownie points with the liberals!" Republicans that are killing this party and it's about time we sent them packing.
Maybe if you'd actually listen to Rush and return to the principles of conservatism once and a while, you wouldn't have gotten obliterated by one of the emptiest suits from the most corrupt political machine in modern history. |
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let me go out on a limb and suggest to you that the vast majority of American blacks and latinos and people with common sense and more than a AM radio lying around could care less about Limbaugh and his stupid sophmoric humor.
Limbaugh is not going to attract anything new in the ways of ideas or people to the Republican party-he can go on his way and join the rest of you social conservatives in la la bailout land.
And please notice how Blackwell doesn't defend Limbaug or shanklin in his comments.
Frankly this Republican is sick of all the ditto heads and their low brow excuse for humor and discourse.
Chip should just start relentlessly saying how great and successful operation chaos was-I am 100% sure that will draw the kind of voting demographic to save the GOP.
Yeah right.
This would be funny if it wasn''t proof positive that there isn't a single current member of the GOP leadership inner circle who isn't a complete raving moron.
Get used to 8 years of Obama and then four of say... President AL Franken.
Thanks social conservative ditto heads-you sure are fine Americans. |
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let me go out on a limb and suggest to you that the vast majority of American blacks and latinos and people with common sense and more than a AM radio lying around could care less about Limbaugh and his stupid sophmoric humor.
Limbaugh is not going to attract anything new in the ways of ideas or people to the Republican party-he can go on his way and join the rest of you social conservatives in la la bailout land.
And please notice how Blackwell doesn't defend Limbaug or shanklin in his comments.
Frankly this Republican is sick of all the ditto heads and their low brow excuse for humor and discourse.
Chip should just start relentlessly saying how great and successful operation chaos was-I am 100% sure that will draw the kind of voting demographic to save the GOP.
Yeah right.
This would be funny if it wasn''t proof positive that there isn't a single current member of the GOP leadership inner circle who isn't a complete raving moron.
Get used to 8 years of Obama and then four of say... President AL Franken.
Thanks social conservative ditto heads-you sure are fine Americans. |
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...all these RINOs on TH that whine about how we "can't attract any new members" unless we start pandering to special interest and minority groups. Somehow they got it in their thick skulls that conservatism alone cannot win, but the thing is, conservatism wins just about everytime its tried. The '94 revolution was won b/c all those Republicans ran on a conservative platform. They lost their seats in '06 and '08 because they drifted AWAY from conservatism.
Everytime the GOP tries to run a "big tent" (AKA Rockefeller) Republican like John McCain, they lose!!! Funny how that works. If they GOP wants to keep listening to all these "big tent" types that want our guys to sell out their principles and move away from Limbaugh in the name of "inclusiveness" then the GOP will become forever losers.
Last time I checked, conservatism was for everyone. I didn't know it was only for rich white christian men as some on this board would like to believe. |
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you can always spot a Limbaugh ditto head because they say the ame tired taking points over and over and over again thinking that if they just keep repeating what their golden idol says that it might somehow be trueJust keep clicking those heels.
Conservatism is the the purview of the white christan male with all their litmus tests and eclusionary moralities.
Hence why your movement continues to shrink. |
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And you guys just keep running more Bob Doles and John McCain types and see how far that gets you.
I'd gladly side with the Reagans, Limbaughs, and Gingrichs of the world over the McCains, Snows, and Collins.
Its amazing how many people still want the GOP to be the Dem-lite party! My guess is that these people are not really interesting in seeing the GOP be successful.
Conservatives need to stop letting the libs and RINOs set the agenda and need to stop accepting their crazy premises so we can get off the defensive. Conservatives need to go on the offensive and need to get out and start educating again. That's how you win elections and bring people into the party.
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Here's a history lesson for you. The Repubs were in the minority for about 100 years because they kept to themselves and counted their money. They could give a shiite about anybody or anything outside their family holdings and Wall street.
Goldwater and Reagan - SOCIAL and fiscal CONSERVATIVES - started the road to a MAJORITY and got the votes of the Democrat SOCIALLY CONSERVATIVE folks who were fed up with the Dem party because the party turned hard left and ABANDONED DECENCY. The Repubs TOOK OVER when W, A CHRISTIAN WHO IS NOT AFRAID TO LET EVERYONE KNOW HE'S A CHRISTIAN, got elected by EVANGELICALS WHO CAME OUT IN GREAT NUMBERS TO VOTE FOR HIM.
I see your strategy though: If only you could get a candidate who was brave and strong, talked about reform and cutting spending, and stiff-armed the faith-based members and other conservatives. If only such a man would come along. Oh yeah, John Maverick McCain did great. Like I said, keep it up, the Dem/libs love it. |
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You are talking out of both side of your mouth!! You sit there and talk about how the Republicans need to be more sensitive and reach out all those minority and special interest groups to be successful.
Do you not realize that the GOP just ran YOUR ideal candidate??? Someone that shunned conservatives (including the "ditto heads" like myself). Someone that tried to reach out to all those diverse groups (hello McCain-Kennedy). Someone that bought into all the crazy liberal premises (hello Global warming).
Rush Limbaugh was McCain's BIGGEST critic b/c he knew McCain was a LOSER!!! And guess what, as usual, Rush was right!!!!
How in the world do you try to hold up McCain as an example of why conservatism won't work when he's the furthest thing the GOP has from a conservative and YOUR ideal candidate???? |
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wow lectures from the bailout brothers.
As I said you social cons are doing a great job.
Thank W for american socialism.
And here's a little history lesson for you-the reason we lost the election was because there wasn't a social conservative worth two cents to put on the ticket to even start with. Stop blaming the media for your own failure. that is weak thinking like blaming the weather.
And you social conservatives decided to sabotage the only real fiscal conservative Romney because you'd rather crash and burn economically then elect a mormon.
Another fine job.
Why don't you you guys start your own conservative movement-you mentioned it before and I think if you feel that the time is right for conservatism then have AT IT! Why don't you show the rest of us weather you social cons can do anything else but whine about pastors and hand out money in bailouts?
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Frank is mixed up. I showed him that getting rid of faith-based cons, social cons and just plain cons is the path to Loserville and it went over his head. You pointed out that Frank's perfect candidate just lost by about 10 million votes and he whines about socialism - which McCain is a big fan of.
Yes, W, has led us to socialism and away from capitalism. I'm not sure how Frank can blame social cons for that. |
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Romney would have been a way better candidate than John Maverick McCain, my friend. I agree that it was too bad that a large number of evangelicals and Dem/libs like yourself, Frank, were against him because of his faith. |
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Bush is yet another fine example of a Republican that won b/c he ran as a conservative, but lost favor with the public because he governed as a liberal! Bush is not and never has been a champion of the conservative movement. Conservatism is defined by a set of principles and then actions based on those principles.
Any President that allows spending to go through the roof like Bush did is no conservative, and in fact he ran as a "compassionate conservative" where the modifier "compassionate" is another term for "liberal".
But if you're going to demonize Bush for spending too much, then surely you are prepared to criticize the Obamessiah because just like BTO said "you aint seen nothing yet" And guess what! McCain's voted for the bail-out, and his mortgage bail out plan he trumpeted during his campaign would would have required...wait for it...wait for it... more spending!!!!!
The reality is, there wasn't much difference between McCain and Obama on the issues. The only real difference between the two is that Obama had charisma and McCain...well not so much. |
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...are gittin' to close to hijackin' this thread. So in the interest of speakin' the truth- I'm gonna repost-
Ex-tex writes: Saturday, December, 27, 2008 4:58 PM
Jawa got this PERFECT!
From the Jawa Report:
"I think it is important to remind the idiots in the mainstream media and on the left - of whom there is no shortage - that this phrase originated from a LIBERAL columnist. David Eherenstein is a LIBERAL columnist for the LA Times, you adorable little fact-challenged journalists and leftards. The operative word here is LIBERAL COLUMNIST DAVID EHERENSTEIN, not "Rush Limbaugh." If you want to spray your faux-outrage, spray it in his direction, for this is a creation of one of your own. This phrase did not originate on the Rush Limbaugh show. He merely repeated it (and also foretold that by him playing it, it would be picked up and attributed to him, which of course, happened). You lefties would be hilarious if you weren't so g*******d predictable, but wise man say -"don't let the facts get in the way of a good circle jer* of manufactured outrage."
THANK YOU JAWA!! My sentiments exactly.
WE HAVE GOT TO QUIT APOLOGIZIN' for everything the Leftard PC Police decides it is 'outraged' about.
To the LEFT I say- BITE ME. Go git a sense of humor! |
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Now that's comedy![note the satire].Hey I was a Thompson man because I believed he had the most common sense ,turned out he didn't have the goods but I'm not going to look back.I know we are all frustrated at the double standard in the media ,comedians and satirists but I'm betting a year from now when we are still in the mid east,unemployment is worse and inflation is on the rise the dems and rinos will come to the hard realization that this socialistic experiment was a failure and things won't seem so funny anymore.Conservative values do win when the populace is ready to accept them and when the presented from some one with common sense and integrity.I am a conservative I listen to Rush ,Coulter,Prager etc.They say things that need to be said in that venue but they don't define me as a person,nor do I want them to define my elected conservative leaders. |
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Bill Clinton hasn’t been President since the 90’s and he’s STILL scaring you guys? Is it because there isn’t a sane citizen who wouldn’t gladly trade the economic management and prosperity of his administration with the “let’s run it into the ground” ignorance of the party clown we just sent packing?
Anyway – who cares. The past is ashes – and neither BC or “dubya” matter anymore (except for the fact that our new President will need to spend a heckuvalot more time cleaning up dubya’s cesspool, whereas dubya was handed a well-running machine.)
But it’ll get done. Thank God for Obama it'll get done.
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"And you social conservatives decided to sabotage the only real fiscal conservative Romney because you'd rather crash and burn economically then elect a mormon."
Romney also previously favored abortion, gay marriage, and was anti-gun. But I suppose for people like you nothing like say, concepts of justice, matter when you just want that tax cut. Nothing like integrity matters when your candidate saw his dad march with MLK Jr... and then retracts that, or claims to pull off to the side of the road weeping when blacks were accepted into the Mormon church.
Apparently you also can't accept the notion that a big business type wasn't going to cut it. I happen to be a populist. I don't want your damn handout, but I also don't want you business-bozos insisting on screwing the American worker through trade policy, or through healthcare plans like Romneycare.
But of course, those couldn't be the real reasons. No, no. We need to find something else to blame so that we can ignore anything legitimate criticism. It must've been Romney's Mormonism!
On a final note, as for Limbaugh and his "ditto heads" as you call them, wasn't Limbaugh a Romney supporter?
It seems to me you don't even know who is on what side in the SoCon-FisCon divide. McCain won primarily the Neocons, Huckabee won primarily the SoCons, and Romney won primarily the FisCons. People like Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, et al, almost all backed either Romney, or earlier on, Giuliani. And if you're concerned about being too extreme, the candidate nominated was McCain. With the exception of naming Palin to the VP slot, the SoCons didn't get much in the way of support from the mainstream media, conservative media, or the Republican party.
As for what SoCons can do, I'd point to 2 judges: Roberts and Alito. Superb picks, both. |
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people just like mitt made this mess . his record in mass does not show him to be a fiscal conservative. while he may not have raised "taxes " he raised every fee possible and did not try to cut goverment services and his health care program was a huge expansion of goverment interference into private life . |
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Limbaugh did not come out for Romney until it was a 3 man race between McCain, Huck, and Romney. Normally Rush will not back any of the Republican candidates in the primary but in this case it was obvious that he was not going to back McCain given his long track record of criticizing McCain (for being a liberal). Rush didnt like Huck's populist style (too close to Democrat style of campaigning) and he didnt think he was championing conservatism (remember the debate where he defended higher taxes to build roads & bridges so the kids could go to school?).
Romney may have done some things in Mass that were NOT conservative, but at least Romney was running as a conservative and was defending conservatism at a time when many were shying away from it. Who was it that said the era of Reagan is over? |
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"Obama the 'Magic Negro'
The Illinois senator lends himself to white America's idealized, less-than-real black man.
By David Ehrenstein, L.A.-based DAVID EHRENSTEIN writes about Hollywood and politics.
March 19, 2007"
"Obama the 'Magic Negro'
The Illinois senator lends himself to white America's idealized, less-than-real black man.
By David Ehrenstein, L.A.-based DAVID EHRENSTEIN writes about Hollywood and politics.
March 19, 2007"
"AS EVERY CARBON-BASED life form on this planet surely knows, Barack Obama, the junior Democratic senator from Illinois, is running for president. Since making his announcement, there has been no end of commentary about him in all quarters — musing over his charisma and the prospect he offers of being the first African American to be elected to the White House."
"But it's clear that Obama also is running for an equally important unelected office, in the province of the popular imagination — the "Magic Negro.""
"Like a comic-book superhero, Obama is there to help, out of the sheer goodness of a heart we need not know or understand. For as with all Magic Negroes, the less real he seems, the more desirable he becomes. If he were real, white America couldn't project all its fantasies of curative black benevolence on him."
Ex-tex: maybe the GOP wannabe troll liberals have a reading and comprehension inadequacy? |
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I would if I could.
We need more people in the Republican party who aren't a bunch of wussies. Somehow our culture is feminizing men, making us all sensitive to the smallest perceived slight (unless we are Democrats, then it's ok).
We need more in the Republican party who can stand up and say, "Shut your cake hole!" when people complain about something like this.
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"Lots of people are raising their eyebrows at a distasteful campaign mailer RNC Chair hopeful Chip Saltsman sent to his fellow Republicans.
Saltsman sent RNC members one of Rush Limbaugh's CD's containing the parody song "Barack the Magic Negro" written by Paul Shanklin."
Regardless of whether Chip Saltzman's sending the CD recording was meant as a joke, or the reaction to it is hypersensitivity on the part of "sensitive sissified politically correct" minions who call themselves Democrats, his sending it was pure idiocy and is symptomatic of the ignorance and ineptitude of the current miasma that has infected the so-called "leadership" in the Republican party.
We don't have to become infected by liberal hypersensitivity about Barack Hussein Obama "The Magic Negro," but we need leaders who have enough sense to know that what we face in this surreal atmosphere of Obama-worship is no joking matter, and therefore, that tactfulness and creativity is what is needed to defeat them; not jokes.
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are the people that are claiming that this incident will not only hurt Saltzman's chances, but that it also hurts Katon Dawson's chances. How??? So what that he belongs to a white country club????
Did we expect him to join an all-black country club or an all-latino country club?? I'll bet there's many a rich Democrat out there that belongs to rich white country clubs. Do you think Kennedy belongs to a multi-ethnic country club? How about Jay Rockefeller? But you never hear about them do you? Why? Because the Dems do not throw their own under the bus like our side seems intent on doing.
Katon Dawson has done NOTHING wrong and people need to lay off of him. He'd make a great RNC chairman! Even Glenn McCall and Ada Fisher agree, but Im sure that wouldnt matter if they belonged to an all-white country club right??? |
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everyone can kiss our aaasssss! And vote for the other guy... |
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Once again, White Salamander finds away to be WAY off base with his/her ridiculous comment. To sit there and turn this thing into a Romney bashing thread sure takes a lot of imagination! But more than that, to say that the person to go after was Rush is darn-near delusional. Obviously, satire is completely lost on this poor misguided soul.
Need I remind everyone that the REAL person to go after would have been David Ehrenstein - it was HIS piece in the LA Times that started this "magic negro" stuff. But of course no one on the left would consider going after one of their own b/c it doesnt serve their purpose, and no one on our side would dare criticize the left b/c we have a bunch of whiney spineless fools more interested in eating their own.
As usual, Rush was right on when he said people would come after him for something that he didn't start - not because they are offended by the song but because they have an agenda! |
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WS, Im glad you have appointed yourself as the person to define all these branches of "conservatism"
Here's what Webster's has to say about it:
conservatism
a: disposition in politics to preserve what is established b: a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, stressing established institutions, and preferring gradual development to abrupt change ; specifically : such a philosophy calling for lower taxes, limited government regulation of business and investing, a strong national defense, and individual financial responsibility for personal needs (as retirement income or health-care coverage)
In other words, pure conservatism wants less government and more individual freedoms. This also means less regulation (same as more freedom) and lower taxes (same as less government and more freedom).
Conservatives just want to defend and protect the Constitution in the way that our founding fathers originally intended. Individual liberties are in direct contrast to large centralized government. History has shown us that large governments are inherently inefficient since they are by their own nature a monopoly of power.
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just shows that rush is not infallible, i liked thompson first ,moved to huckabee ,i'm not particulary a social conservative i'm more of a libertarian ,my problem with romney was his lack of any core beliefs , a look at his record shows a strong tendency to say anything to get elected ,the head of the mass republican party refered to mitt as a serial liar. the argument that he at least ran as a conservative does not mean anything .mitt governed as a left of center republican , actions always speak loudest ! |
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The Repubs let people like WS define who their candidate should be. That's why I'm not a Repub anymore. |
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White Salamander writes:
"The "social" conservatives want bigger government. They want government to stop abortion and tell people who they can and can't marry and they want prayer in schools and a lot of other things."
This is an attempt at logic, built on false premises:
1. "They want government to stop abortion..." We don't want government to "stop abortion" because government isn't performing abortions, as far as I know. We want NO intervention by the federal government in upholding court-legislation which created a "right" for women to murder innocent unborn children. Social conservatives want the government to get out of the abortion-approval business.
2. "...and tell people who they can and can't marry..." It's not the place of government or the courts to tell anybody who they can or can't marry, so if you want to get married to your sister's boyfriend go ahead. Oh...you can't? Is that why you homos are trying to get the [big] government to tell us to let ya'?
3. "...and they want prayer in the schools..." Do social conservatives need the government to tell them to pray [whether in school, or anywhere else]? Or is it prayer-haters [like you] who want big government to shut down prayer in the schools and everywhere else to save you from having to be exposed to hearing any reference to any authority that would require the acknowledgment of a moral conscience or any appreciation of right and wrong?
...causing you [and others like you] to stick your fingers in your ears, close your eyes, and sing...la la la la la...I don't hear you! |
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I take it that many on here are defining "social conservative" as those who
a. want to "impose" their values on others
and b. make the government pay to have these values imposed which will grow the govt.
I laugh at these definitions. A real conservative is both fiscally and socially conservative. A social conservative knows that it takes not one penny to have people act right and defend the unborn. Quite the opposite in fact. Most valuable things don't cost anyone any money. Reading, writing, not littering, and not killing babies is actually pretty cheap to do.
Also, a social conservative, being generally religious, is very wary of Caesar in the first place so claiming that they want Caesar to do their work for them or anyone else is ridiculous.
I think y'all should try a new tact and some new definitions.
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First of all, if you read through this thread, I have been defending Saltzman. I'm sick and tired of Republicans throwing their own under the bus in the name of political correctness. Political correctness is for liberal wimps in my opinion. Anyone that truly believes in, and wants to defend our 1st amendment rights should be disgusted with political correctness b/c its just a way to censor people.
Second of all, I understand that some people do not like the GOP's position on abortion. At one time I also believed that it should be a woman's right to choice whether or not she should have a baby. But once I got a little older and little wiser, I started to question why the baby in question didn't also get a say in whether or not he or she lives. And then I realized that the woman did have a choice - she had a choice to keep her pants on! Why should an innocent life be terminated due to someone's reckless decision to have unprotected sex? Especially when there are MANY couples out there that would be more than willing to adopt said baby should the mother carry it to term.
In cases where a woman is raped or the pregnancy is causing a life-threatening complication, I would concede that it becomes more complicated. But the question still needs to be asked, who is speaking for the unborn child?
My feeling on abortion and marriage matters is that it should be thrown to the states. Federalism was championed by Thomas Jefferson for a reason. The federal government should just stay out of these matters completely! |
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I heard the lyrics, they weren't very clever. Besides it just showed that Chip is a racist. I don't think he is clever enough to come up with a GW song. I supposed its hard to find a word that ryhmes with recession. He would have an easier time with Rush, being an old stoner, its not hard finding a word that ryhmes with "narcotic" - neurotic, despotic, erotic, etc. |
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Witty Salamander writes:
"If Romney had been the candidate, with his goofy religion..."
I guess if Barack Hussein Obama can get elected with his "goofy religion" which has as one of its pledges to:
"Pledge allegiance to all black leaders who support and espouse Black liberation theology"...
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Obsession...as in the state of mind that liberals that constantly bash Bush on conservative message boards are in. Seek help you sick sick people. |
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Abortion is unconstitutional and we should fight to overturn Roe V. Wade. You should know that if you were a conservative. But it seems you're a Republican and I got tired of Repubs like yourself so I didn't let the door hit me on the way out, thanks.
Now, as for abortions costing us money. Wouldn't we have 32 million more earners give or take some liberals? Now, since we have about 20 million illegals here now let's see:
32 million minus 20 million, plus tax money carry the ought,
hey it looks like it would work out afterall.
And wouldn't families pay for their kids? Besides, unlike your kind, I don't see life in terms of cost.
And yes, the law's the law, and criminals should go to jail. I see you disagree with that. |
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This 'song' offended me. I wrote Rush Limbaugh months ago, asking him to pull it of of respect.
The RNC is full of both racists and relgious bigots. I feel those that actually have morals and values need to leave the party, and let the bigots have it. We can do better. |
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another trait of why I left the party.
I hate this term with a passion but you're actually doing it. You're using a Straw Man argument - yeck! You're saying that I don't think illegals are human. My point was maybe they'd not have jobs to come and do if we had more people here to do them.
and I see that you keep dragging gubbermint in as a solution to everything. Also why I left the party.
we agree - even white collar criminals should go to Big Boy prison. And women who kill their babies if that is against the law. |
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my2centsplus writes"
"The RNC is full of both racists and relgious bigots. I feel those that actually have morals and values need to leave the party, and let the bigots have it. We can do better."
I don't know why the RNC should be painted with the broad brush you're using in your statement, but one thing I, as a black American, am tired of hearing about is racism as if an abundance of emphasizing that it exists in some has something to do with their Party affiliation. There are racists in both Parties. There are Islamic racists, there are white racists, black racists, hispanic racists, and Oriental racists, there are liberal racists and conservative racists. There are well-meaning racists and there are racists who would like nothing better than for you to abort your next 3 black children who call themselves "Family Planning" an organization run by Democrats & liberals.
And what is religious bigotry?
Is that the definition that condemns anything or anybody who clings to their Christian beliefs in today's Obamanation of a nation?
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positions and points of view on the other side? Liberals always act so indignant b/c conservatives want to preserve the definition of marriage as being between one man and one woman. Then one crazy liberal state decides to allow gay marriage (within the state's right IMO) and now these liberals DEMAND that all other states must recognize this marriage. Even when its clear that most states reject gay marriage and the populace says so via a vote on the issue (see prop 8). Liberals only seem to claim that elections matter when it favors their position.
My position on gay marriage is that civil unions are fine, but don't come in here and demand that a long-standing definition of marriage be changed just b/c some militant gay activists demands it. |
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White Salamander says:
1) "Look, guy, they aren't going to overturn Roe and suddenly, everyone will slap themselves on the head and say, "Why, yes, abortion is wrong." You are either going to have to have the police (the government) enforce these new laws or abortions are going to happen anyway. At some point, you are going to have to put a woman in prison for having an abortion, or a doctor for performing one."
People are put into prison all the time for killing innocent people...before it became fashionable to kill the most innocent of people.
2) ..."It should be pointed out that the full faith and credit clause of the constitution means the other 49 states have to recognize gay marriages if one state allows them."
I ain't got to recognize gay marriage any more than you have to recognize the existence of God.
3 "Hey, guy, you should be allowed to pray to whatever invisible sky pixie you want to pray to. Seriously. Just don't impose it on anyone else. Keep it in your homes and churches."
Or what? You want the government to come and arrest me if I don't keep my praying in my home or church? "Just don't impose it on anyone else?" You sound like a fool. How is someone's praying in a public place imposing anything on you? You're quite comfortable with 2 guys lip-locking in front of you, but oh no! don't expose me to someone's praying!!
I'll make a deal with you. Don't impose the vision of two sissys kissing and holding hands in front of me and my children, and I won't cause you the moral outrage of having to hear me praying. |
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This whole idea that illegals come here to do jobs that Americans won't do is a myth! Here in SC, a meat packing plant was raided and over 100 illegals were found working there. The story hit the news and the VERY NEXT DAY, there was a line of legal Americans waiting outside the door to apply for those jobs that the illegals were doing.
When unemployment is going up at the rate it is, either people will start doing jobs that they wouldn't normally do or the government will start giving them enough hand-outs that they won't have any incentives to find a job. |
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equate gay marriage to inter-racial marriage. But that's a typical tactic of the left. Always try to imply that the other side is somehow bigoted or racist to discredit their argument.
First of all, inter-racial marriage does not violate the laws of nature since inter-racial intercourse can still produce off-spring and fundamentally, the institution of marriage is to insure the survival of a civilization through proliferation.
Gay marriage and gay intercourse does nothing to advance a civilization. You ask how gay marriage impacts my marriage, well I can tell you that it not only impacts my marriage, but it impacts the entire socio-economic model that civilizations are built on. Once we start to devalue the institutions that promote the healthy continuation of a society, then the entire civilization is at risk.
You want to redefine the institution of marriage? How about we redefine the institution of education? Or how about the institution of the justice system? Institutions are the pillars of society and you don't go messing with their definitions - you just don't go there!
Again, if you want to have a civil union with another man, or 2 other men, or 2 men + 3 women, or 2 men and 3 goats, that's your business, but don't change the definition of an institution. |
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The paper indicated that the jobs were mostly minimum wage, so the people that showed up to apply for them knew what they were supposed to pay.
Now were those illegals getting paid minimum wage? Who knows, but this is another one of those crazy areas where the left contradicts itself. It says it wants everyone to be paid at least the minimum wage, then at the same time it says illegals should be allowed to stay in this country when everyone knows that illegals are probably not getting minimum wage since the employer knows it can pay whatever to an undocumented worker.
Imagine that, you can see a true job market at work! |
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White Salamander asks:
"I ask the question again. Gay marriage is legal. How does that effect your marriage in any way,shape or form?"
I ask you this question. Prayer is legal. How does that affect your not praying in any way, shape or form?
Why is it that you can support public perversion and death, but wish public prayer to be outlawed?
Let me get this right...
You want us to support your causes of the gay "marriage" of a couple of homosexuals outside the "privacy" of the "bath houses" and public park restrooms where such "marriages" usually take place AND for government-supported abortion as an option to pregnancy to be taught in public schools...
...while at the same time, you can't support the right of an individual to engage in prayer outside of a home or church?
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Salamander, you said, and I quote:)
"Hey, guy, you should be allowed to pray to whatever invisible sky pixie you want to pray to. Seriously. Just don't impose it on anyone else. Keep it in your homes and churches."
Now you say:
"Obviously, we aren't talking about praying in a public place. We are talking about imposing prayer on kids in a public school, regardless of what their parents think. Oh, yeah, and then we want to tell them some fairy tale about how life got here instead of teaching them, you know, science."
Well, what's good for the goose is good for the gander...keep your gay sexual identification in your home or churches, or wherever it is practiced. Don't teach my kids about gay rights in the schools and universities. I don't want it imposed on me.
There is absolutely nothing in the Constitution that makes it unlawful to pray in a public school. NOTHING.
And the choice between science and faith is a false dilemma. One does not [nor ever has] ruled out the other. The issue is not at all whether prayer[or faith in God] should be taught in school. The issue is the suppression of prayer or any acknowledgment of Christian faith by teacher or student. Those who are opposed to prayer [even silent prayer] being allowed in public schools are quite comfortable with making concessions for Islamism, Buddhism, or any other ism. This is a policy directed to suppress only Christian prayer.
Some child praying over his lunch or reading a Bible in study hall does not constitute an imposition of his religion on someone else, in any sane person's book. To pretend that it does is irrational at best.
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that WS wants everyone to be "tolerant and understanding" of all these liberal assaults on traditional values, ideas like gay marriage that offer nothing of value to society at large, and yet he and his kind are completely INTOLERANT to anything that is traditional and/or designed to promote good moral behavior.
Someone how argues that we should all embrace gay marriage because it "doesnt impact straight marriage" (even though there's argument to made that it does) but cannot tolerate someone praying in public is completely inconsistent.
I am so tired of the fictitious "separation of church and state" that is NO WHERE to be found in our Constitution - only in a letter that Jefferson wrote to the Danbury baptists arguing that the state should not sponsor a religion ala the Church of England. Our founding fathers were clearly men of faith, and our Constitution is clearly inspired by that faith. And BTW, Jefferson was only speaking about the federal government and yet somehow his letter has been perverted to mean that not even state governments are allow to honor a religion.
Back to gay marriage. What value does it add to society to redefine the definition of marriage? Why dont we just redefine gay sex to be straight sex? Why not redefine a man to be a woman? The idea of just changing the definition of something to appease a fringe part of society is just plain dumb! |
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Interacial marriage and gay marriage are not synonomous.
Anymore than is interacial marriage between a man and a woman is not comparable to interacial marriage between a man and a man.
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Dan in SC writes: Sunday, December, 28, 2008 7:14 PM writes
"Marine I just find it hilarious...
that WS wants everyone to be "tolerant and understanding" of all these liberal assaults on traditional values, ideas like gay marriage that offer nothing of value to society at large, and yet he and his kind are completely INTOLERANT to anything that is traditional and/or designed to promote good moral behavior."
Dan, ain't that the truth!
They want us and our kids to have to watch Ellen Degeneris and her woman marry each other on the public airwaves...while they get up-in-arms about a store clerk saying, "Merry Christmas" to a patron at Christmastime.
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Dan in Nc asks:
"Why dont we just redefine gay sex to be straight sex? Why not redefine a man to be a woman?"
Well, Dan...that's the whole point of their argument, is it not?
To redefine right to be wrong and wrong to be right?
There's is exactly as you describe: An attempt to have what by tradition and common sense to be redifined as "intolerant" and for all types of sexual perversion and the culture of death worship [infanticide/euthanasia] to be redifined in order to be "tolerated" as normal. |
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you non-believers might have a shred of credibility if you went after other religions such as Islam the church of Global Warming as fervently as you do Christianity.
Holy wars?
Crusades?
Inquisitions?
Burning witches at the stake?
That sounds more like modern Islam than it does Christianity. Maybe Christianity 500 years ago, but are you guys that far behind that you cant get past something that was done centuries ago? Today's Christians are the most peaceful and charitable people on the planet. And guess what, they don't need the government to tell them who or what to donate to! |
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After linking new strain of staph to gay men, university scrambles to clarify
By Jesse Mckinley Published: January 20, 2008
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/01/20/america/20staph.php
A team of researchers led by doctors from the University of California at San Francisco announced that gay men were "many times more likely than others" to acquire a new strain of drug-resistant staphylococcus, a nasty, fast-spreading and potential lethal bacteria known as MRSA USA300. And sure enough, the study, published online in the Annals of Internal Medicine, was quickly picked up by reporters round the world and across the Internet, including a London tabloid which dubbed the disease "the new HIV"
"The medical community has known for years that homosexual conduct, especially among males, creates a breeding ground for often deadly disease," the release read.
Another group, Americans for Truth About Homosexuality, also cited the report as a way of proving that "homosexual behavior is unhealthy."
"Why aren't all schoolchildren being taught that there are special health risks associated with homosexual behavior and that they should 'just say no' to homosexuality?" read a released posted on the group's Web site.
Anal sex between 2 men is not only nasty, it's unhealthy and should not be promoted in society to be accepted by our children & taught in schools as a normal expression of marriage.
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I am amused that so many of you guys try to have an adult conversation with White Slime-o-meter.
He is so obviously dumber than a box of rocks that trying to reason with him/her is lunacy. I've been there, and I've found the answer - I have read not one post from him in the past 4 months. Unfortunately I have seen some of what he writes when you guys re-print it in your posts, and I'm even more convinced that not responding to him/her is best. I see his heading and click the "Flag as Offensive" button and move on - not that that does any good. I understand Pasadena Phil got banned from TH yet they allow this goon. |
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MaineConservative writes: Sunday, December, 28, 2008 8:05 PM
"Dan, Marine, Scarlet
I am amused that so many of you guys try to have an adult conversation with White Slime-o-meter."
MEConservative,
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A team of researchers led by doctors from the University of California at San Francisco announced that gay men were "many times more likely than others" to acquire a new strain of drug-resistant staphylococcus, a nasty, fast-spreading and potential lethal bacteria known as MRSA USA300. And sure enough, the study, published online in the Annals of Internal Medicine, was quickly picked up by reporters round the world and across the Internet, including a London tabloid which dubbed the disease "the new HIV"
"The medical community has known for years that homosexual conduct, especially among males, creates a breeding ground for often deadly disease," the release read.
Staph viruses are highly contagious, making homosexual intercourse a danger to not only the fornicators, themselves, but their deviant behavior poses a threat to ALL society.
Don't impose your "religion" of homosexual acceptance [and the contagious fatal diseases it causes] on me.
Why should you not be required to keep it in the "bath houses" and restrooms where such perversion is welcomed? |
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WS writes: "Let's say tomorrow you were informed that your kid's school was allowing Prayer. Unfortunately, it's Muslim Prayer and your kid is being required to pray five times a day towards Mecca while his teacher is reading passages from the Koran."
First of all, I know of no one that is advocating FORCING any kind of prayer on kids in schools. All Christians are talking about is having the right to say their own prayer on their own time. Likewise I would have no problem with Muslim kids praying on their own time.
You say that our founders were not men of faith and yet the Declaration of Independence has that pesky little phrase:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
"Endowed by our creator" goodness, now who might that be?????
Furthermore, John Adams wrote to Thomas Jefferson on June 28, 1813:
The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were. . . . the general principles of Christianity. . . . I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God; and that those principles of liberty are as unalterable as human nature."
There's plenty more evidence to prove that the founders were in fact men of God. |
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and a man of faith...
"Jesus is benevolence personified, an example for all men. . . . The Christian religion, in its primitive purity and simplicity, I have entertained for more than sixty years. It is the religion of reason, equity, and love; it is the religion of the head and the heart" (Letter to F.A. Van Der Kemp, December 27, 1816).
Here's a quote from Samuel Adams:
"The right to freedom being the gift of the Almighty...The rights of the colonists as Christians...may be best understood by reading and carefully studying the institutions of The Great Law Giver and Head of the Christian Church, which are to be found clearly written and promulgated in the New Testament."
Here's one from Ben Franklin:
"I believe in one God, the Creator of the universe; that he governs it by his Providence; that be ought to be worshipped; that the. most acceptable service we can render to him is doing good to his other children; that the soul of man is immortal, and will be treated with justice in another life respecting its conduct in this. These I take to be the fundamental points of all sound religion, and I regard them as you do, in whatever sect I meet with them. As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think his system of morals and his religion, as be left them to us, the best the world ever saw, or is like to see; but I apprehend it has received various corrupting changes, and I have, with most of the present Dissenters in England, some doubts as to his divinity; though it is a question I do not dogmatize upon, having never studied it."
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White Salamander says:
"Lot's of diseases are spread by sex. They are less likely to be spread by people in monogamous relationships. If your real concern is preventing the spread of disease and not justifying your own bigotry, you should be all for keeping gays at homewith one partner."
You speak as if you have a respect for science, yet when faced with scientific evidence that shows that anal sex between men is unhealthy and potentially fatal, you vacilitate. No where in the study does it indicate that monogamous anal sex is any safer than the more promiscuous kind. It only emphasizes the results of this disease to be associated with man-on-man anal intercourse.
Further, I have no phobia about someone's proclivity to desire sexual gratification through being penetrated anally & screwed by another man...I just don't recognize such a desire as having the need to be elevated to an equivalent status as the more life-sustaining use of one's sexual organs. |
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White Salamander writes:
"However, overall, looking at the tapestry of western civilization, I can hardly conclude that Christianity has been a positive force. Quite the contrary, it's intolerant of other faiths and even of disagreements amongst themselves."
If Christianity is so intolerant [there's that liberal catch-all phrase again] how is it that the only places in the 21st century where all religions can be practiced without fear of death are the nations that are predominately influenced by & whose majority population is Christian?
What country's citizens are more tolerant of other religions than this one where the overwhelming majority of people identify themselves as Christian?
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White Salamander says:
"Me- Do you know why I get immediately suspicious about your motives. Because whenever you rail on and on about homosexualities, it's always an obsession with gay men.
Haven't heard you talk about why Lesbians are "evil". Okay, maybe Ellen once."
WS, I didn't start this conversation about gay people...you did.
You have been on this thread championing the legitimacy of gay marriage, while describing people of religion and conservative traditional values as "intolerant", "bigoted", and "homophobic".
I have not implied that gay or lesbian people are "evil" in any of my posts.
However, what I oppose is the elevation of how someone expresses his or her sexuality as being some kind of legitimate civil rights issue of such importance that it needs societal approval & legislation passed to legitimize it.
I find it repulsive to present bedroom behavior as anybody's business but the individuals who engage in it with each other.
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The major flaw in your argument is in fact female homosexuality. Exclusively homosexual women have the lowest rates of STDs of any demographic. |
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White Salamander writes: Sunday, December, 28, 2008 9:33 PM
"Once....
American history is full of intolerance. Just ask the Mormons, they'll tell you all about it. :-D.
Seriously, maybe you should read about the intolerance against Catholic immigrants at the turn of the last century."
I don't need a history lesson to know what is happening right here & right now in this one.
And you still haven't answered the question in the present tense. Christianity hasn't stop being practised. Where is the Christian "intolerance" you speak of, being practised in America.
I don't see any evidence of mosques being burned in the manner that Sarah Palin's church was.
I would venture to say that you, yourself, are mostly tolerant of the intolerance that, these days, only seems to be directed at Christians by Islamists and their sympathizers here and abroad.
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bryce1 writes: Sunday, December, 28, 2008 9:41 PM
"OnceaMarine
The major flaw in your argument is in fact female homosexuality. Exclusively homosexual women have the lowest rates of STDs of any demographic."
bryce1, that's not hard for me to believe. The article I cited was refering to a drug resistant strain of Staph virus that is contracted through anal sex between two men.
With lesbians there is obviously no transmission of disease associated with infectious materials contained in fecal waste matter which is known to harbor viruses harmful to man: hepatitis and staph being two that come to mind.
Again, I do not oppose anyone's right to engage in sex between consenting adults. I just think it is perverse to associate personal & private sexual preference with civil rights.
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White Salamander, you disappoint me. In your attempt to assign such behaviors to me as having a "stash" as you put it, you make fun of the very cause you seek to promote. If indeed I did have a "stash of it" , the thought of which you obviously find amusing, that would be consistent with my contention that such "a stash" would be a private matter. Not one to be shared with an unwilling-to-participate public.
You ask:
"The question is, should gays have the same rights and protections that straights enjoy, regardless of what practices they may or may not engage in when in bed. You have yet to give one good reason why they shouldn't."
I happen to be divorced. Should I, therefore, claim to have the "right" to be considered married to the object of my choice? And being denied such legal status, protest that my civil rights are being violated? I know of no "rights and protections that straights enjoy" being denied to anyone based upon their sexual orientation. Gays vote, hold jobs, own property, and are issued gun permits and driver's licenses. They are free to pursue their lives and liberties in the same manner as any other citizen.
Is marriage a "right" or a privilege?
Why shouldn't I be able to marry my daughter? It is not legal. Should I protest this as unfair? A violation of my civil rights?
Gay marriage is not legal.
"Judge not, yet ye be Judged?" Didn't your invisible sky pixie say that once?"
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Sitting here reading your comments on this thread, as God is my witness, your words bring one person to my mind, John Adams. Fight the good fight brother and God bless. Semper Fi. |
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I come back to not a discussion of RNC politics and the topic at hand but rather some social con justifying his religious beliefs.
WHO CARES??????
Nowhere in the bible are you getting any answers as to how to solve the economic problems. I mentioned romney as "business-Republican and actual fiscal conservative" and of course the same social cons who voted him down because of their myopic religious beliefs come a poppin up!!!!
We need religion in the home and family-not in the way we run the federal government. All you social cons do is obfuscate because you're so busy minding everybody else's morality that you can't see past the nose on your own faces.
But hey I've come to expect this from a bunch of sob sisters who claimed such effectiveness in the immigration are but proved COMPLETELY IMPOTENT when it came time for their "compassionate conservative" Bush to hand out a trillion dollars with no accountabiity to essentially the now liberal and partially taxpayer owned banking system.
Bravo.
Once again I stand by the statment that the million and one litmus tests imposed by social conservatives on this party were exactly the kind of things that divided us and allowed McCain to get the nomination-not the MSN. Nobody was good enough for you social cons and hence we got McCain.
And for those of you stupid ditto heads I hope you realize that your grand savior and fatted calf rush didn't endorse until after C-PAc which was hardly corageous and only after months of infighting that he could have helped prevent. Seemed Operation Chaos had a double edged effect-it made a certain portion of the GOP deaf blind and dumb and apparently the trent continues.
Please, I beg you social conservatives, go start your own party and take rush Limbaugh and all his ilk with you. Trust me, you will not be missed. |
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in one post??? Wow that post was just chuck full of untruths! I realize that someone that obviously hates Rush this much doesn't listen to him but please do some research before posting a bunch of vile nonsense:
Franke: "And for those of you stupid ditto heads I hope you realize that your grand savior and fatted calf rush didn't endorse until after C-PAc..."
This FALSE!!! Rush came out for Romney nearly 1 month BEFORE CPAC. Here's the text from Feb. 5!!!:
"RUSH: I think now, based on the way the campaign has shaken out, that there probably is a candidate on our side who does embody all three legs of the conservative stool, and that’s Romney."
Need I remind you CINOs that CPAC was on Mar. 3!!
Frank: "I mentioned romney as "business-Republican and actual fiscal conservative" and of course the same social cons who voted him down because of their myopic religious beliefs come a poppin up!!!!"
Actually, I was a VERY strong supporter of Romney! He was heads & tails better than McCain or Huck in my book!
I am having trouble believing that Frank is really a conservative. Maybe he's a RINO, but anyone who is this ill-informed about Repub politics is suspicious. Also, this idea of dividing conservatives into sub-groups is a liberal tactic - the old divide & conquer.
Im not a "social conservative", Im not a "fiscal conservative", and Im not a "foreign policy" conservative. IM A CONSERVATIVE!!! That means I defend the Constitution, individual freedoms, LIFE, liberal, & the pursuit of happiness - none of which includes big government!!!
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of course I can always count on you to quote verse from your golden savior's template of immediatly smear anybody who doesn't toe the line.
This line is like something right off the Limbaugh show and frankly America is pretty sick of this...
"I am having trouble believing that Frank is really a conservative. Maybe he's a RINO, but anyone who is this ill-informed about Repub politics is suspicious. Also, this idea of dividing conservatives into sub-groups is a liberal tactic - the old divide & conquer."
See how Limbaugh reacted to Colin Powell for a replay of what Dan is trying.
This tactic should really help you when you start your new party of "conservative know nothings ditto heads."
See when you speak truth to the ditto head you are "ill-informed" and are immediately suspect of being a secret liberal. Why stop there? Maybe I'm a muslim sent to destroy your from the inside you stupid stupid man. You would be funny if you we're such a clear example of why we have failed as a party. Sorry I don't get my news from college drop out on pills because I like their ideology. You can if you want to though. that's on you and clearly it shows.
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I get my news from MANY sources!! If you want to get your news from MSNBC or CNN or whatever liberal outlet you prefer that's your business. Yes I listen to Rush and Im damn proud to be a ditto head. I reject your premise that anyone that listens to Rush is some kind of zombie. Rush listeners are some of the most informed on the planet. And I also read the NY Times, USA Today, the WSJ, watch network news, read the internet, etc.
You did refute any of the facts of my post. I stand by my statements. |
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Romney was the only candidate who had the proper experience which was the main argument at the time(long before the social cons abandoned it in lieu of Palin). romney had the experience to be POTUS and was even trying to appease the social conservatives who are unappeaseble and unforgiving of past discretions and oh so love to retro actively apply their litmus tests.
If you have been listening to socal conservatives they like to say then when conservatism is run on its own merits it always wins-romney was that outside the religious bubble.
And yes he lost, but if he had been the candidate we would have a REAL AND VALID POINT on which to hang or not to hang the popular conservatism always wins talking point. Seems it didn't.
And yes why don't you blame the free marketeers for the economic situation. Sure throw a little class warfare in there too. That surely will help the liberals as they continue to dictate economic policy because you want to attack the rich and wall street. nice. But I guess to you the bailout is more a conspiratorial payoff than endorment of socialism.
Why don't you and Dan start a detective agency and go solve the case of the missing yeti in tibet. Since you are such fine conspiracy buffs you should find this line of work compatible with your obviously vast skil sets.
Pack some thermal underwear and take as much time and as many social conservatives as you need with you. |
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"Rush listeners are some of the most informed on the planet"
Which Planet? Surely you do not mean Earth.
Surely.
I weep for the future of the GOP.
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what was it about Romney-care that you found fiscally conservative? |
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or was it Romney's promise to bailout Detroit that you found fiscally conservative? |
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for keeping America safe and prosperous. GWB has been outstanding in both areas. If the Dems had not taken Congress in 2006, we would still be safe and properous. However, since keeping us safe is the first priority for me, I hope it is also BO's first priority.
As for Saltsman's sending out the song, do not you know a person of color can no longer claim the system is against him/her. Now that a person of color has reached the pinnacle of power in the U.S.A., I no longer buy into racial whining. The deck is not stacked against anyone in the U.S.A. anymore. Grow up whining, sniveling, self-proclaimed victims. |
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way to insult the african american republicans who found this offensive.
Clearly you can jump ship to the conservative party as well. Your keen intellect is sorely needed.
As to your comments on Romney thanks for proving providing proof positive of my comments about you types being unforgiving and myopic of vision.
You're doing a great job. Just go do it someplace else. |
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Your blinkered thought follows;
"And I would say the fact that the Christian churches spent millions of dollars taking a right away from gays in California is a great example of intolerance. (I love hearing the Mormons whine that they are being picked on because of their participation in that atrocity.)"
Mormons have not once whined about being picked on. Can you site anything? Didn't think so.
They stood for the defense of marriage. Marriage as defined by eons of social progress. The family is the backbone of social order. Destroy families and you destroy nations.
Militant gays don't really believe in marriage as much as they are anarchists and want to destroy the institution of marriage.
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Yes, Blackwell. It's the media. It's always the media. Yeesh. |
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to draw attention to what is actually being said.
"The sad thing is [I] really don't know how silly and stupid [I] sound when [I] say these things." |
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Oh yea Saltsman is too stupid to see the big picture.See all this gay marrage,Christain,Morman,different degrees of conservatism stuff won't matter in a year when you have to bring a wheelbarrow of money to buy a loaf of bread.Only when faced with hardship will this country be ready for real COMMON SENSE CONSERVATIVE solutions.When that time comes conservative leaders have to be ready with a clear plan utilizing proven methods.This can be done by using the future failed socailist Obama experiment as an example of poor judgement.We can do this without alienating anyone or giving into the pc police.Please don't give me the chest thumping F@$k those libs aurgument,no one is more bitter than me about the state of our country and this isn't what wins elections.Let's be smart and rightous. |
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The song is in bad taste, pure and simple. I'm a moderate/conservative who voted for McCain/Palin (and would again), but it seems to me that this is lowering the Republican side to the same level as Bush Bashers. It is true that the other side should be able to "take it as well as they dish it out", but that still doesn't mean that we should become as ignorant as them! The Republicans taking the "higher ground" could be the very thing that strengthens the party, if indeed we can achieve it.
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whether women were owned or could not vote does not change the fact the societies and nations were built on the backs of families that were created by jack and jill not ben and jerry.
and so you found one cranky mormon.
you might want to check the stats on mormonism. don't think its a cult anymore. look out your window, you might just see an LDS chapel. |
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"You obviously haven't read anything that Big G has posted, where he's done nothing but whine about how LDS is being picked on for the role in that fiasco."
Back it up. I guarantee you will only find instances where you are doing what you are famously known for, trashing Mormons, like you just did.
All you do is whine about "sky pixies" and "cultists" and rip everyone(especially Mormons)for their beliefs which you enjoy defining as totally stupid.
"I'm still waiting for one of you to tell me how gay people in long term commitments calling what they have 'marriage' diminishes your family in any way, shape or form."
Gay people in long term commitments? That's like saying porn stars in long term commitments, very rare. The gay agenda isn't interested in marriage, hence the whole "alternative lifestyle", if you visit gay blogs and newspapers you can clearly see that. Most homosexual and bisexual behavior
Oh and check out the whole Folsom Street Fair and see how the Gays feel about religion and see how Feinstein, Newsom, Pelosi, and Boxer feel about how the gays depict religion. Check and see how the police in San Francisco monitor such events.
That kind of activity diminishes not only religion and family, but societies and nations.
Pornography, Homosexuality, Abortion, etc... are detrimental to the family unity and not healthy for any society that wishes to prosper. |
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and Illegal immigration are called racist and bigots by leftists like you White Sally.
I look at the fall of Rome as the greatest example of what illegal immigration and the gay agenda represent to our society:
Will Durant wrote:
The virile character that had been formed by arduous simplicities and a supporting faith relaxed in the sunshine of wealth and the freedom of unbelief; men had now, in the middle and upper classes, the means to yield to temptation, and only expediency to restrain them. Urban congestion multiplied contacts and frustrated surveillance; immigration brought together a hundred cultures whose differences rubbed themselves out into indifference. Moral and esthetic standards were lowered by the magnetism of the mass; and sex ran riot in freedom while political liberty decayed.
Aaron Stern wrote:
The Roman Empire provides a richly detailed description of the decline of a great society. The symptoms of its fall centered around a critical schism between the older and younger generations. It was reflected among the young by an increase in drug usage, by a growing experimentation in homosexuality and bi-sexuality, and, perhaps most symptomatic of all, by a strident demand for more leisure that was accompanied by an unwillingness to accept responsibility for government, family, and other institutions.
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"I'm still waiting for one of you to tell me how gay people in long term commitments calling what they have 'marriage' diminishes your family in any way, shape or form."
I'm still waiting for any leftist to tell me how abnormal sexual behavior benefits families, communities, societies, and nations in any way shape or form. |
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In the first place, blacks resent being black.Re-
Al Sharpton-Jesse Jackson. They make their living
Blaming the whites for their station in life.
Secondly, Obama is not African, he is Arabic.
Thirdly, I'm certainly not sure he is American. Seems like he's ashamed to prove it, if indeed he is. |
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Hey Chip, thank God you are running for this post. We want a leader of the RNC who disgraces us by including "Barack The Magic Negro" on "parody" CDs distributed to the holy 168. Didja think that little present would buy you some votes? What a sense of humor! Why would we want a moron like you leading the party?
You make it hard to be a Republican.
I have three words of wisdom for you:
1. Withdraw 2. Your 3. Nomination
Aw, make it four:
4. NOW
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You might just try calling a Mormon missionary for your biblical questions. I hear they're pretty good at answering deep theological questions.
Ask them yourself if they were coerced into going on a mission or went on their own. I think you know the answer to that one.
Old testament laws were replaced by the new higher law. 'Love one another' except for Canadians.
Everyone should own a Canadian.
As for your eyesight, I wouldn't worry about God so much as rush hour traffic. If you can't see you might want to stay on the porch. |
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It is amazing to me that when anything of humor, even in bad taste, touches upon race it is met with such outrage. But with the primary & election season touching upon sexism & ageism on a constant basis and I fail to hear all this moral outrage? When Hillary, and after her Sarah, got the daily jokes about everything possible they did or didn't do it's all good and ment in good taste. Then McCain getting stuck with every old man joke known to mankind. If anything was even thought of in jest about Obama, that person would be quickly shut down as rasist. Then post-election how Obama voters knew all the non-important facts about the Republican, but not Obama. I hope no one actually voted based upon these jokes and rumors. |
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the nauseatingly self-centered Simon pure, snowball, and unsullied view of yourselves.
"...for 100 years, the Democratic Party showed its tone deafness to the rights of blacks. Democrats opposed the 13th Amendment (freeing the slaves), the 14th Amendment (making ex-slaves citizens) and the 15th Amendment (that, on paper at least, gave blacks the right to vote). Democrats founded the Ku Klux Klan -- some even call it the "terrorist wing of the Democratic Party." And a greater percentage of Republicans than Democrats voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964."
"Alabama Gov. George "segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever" Wallace was a Democrat. Georgia Gov. Lester Maddox, who as a restaurateur, left pick handles hanging on the walls to provide customers recourse in the event an uppity black tried to enter his restaurant. He was a Democrat. Arkansas Gov. Orville Faubus attempted, in 1957, to prevent the integration of Little Rock High School. He was a Democrat. Bull Connor, the commissioner of public safety for Birmingham, Ala., turned water hoses and dogs on civil rights activists. He was a Democrat."
A record like that establishes the correct meaning to the term hypocrite, does it not? |
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You know, we all get bored with your drivel. we know your gay. That's YOUR issue and 'cross' to bear, not ours. Take it out on some who gives a drat. It's not us.
I hope in 2009 you will find a dude that will put up with your superiority. |
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Did you notice the quote marks? Quote marks indicate that the information is taken from another source, in this case, Investor's Business Daily.
If you want to learn about relevancy, visit this web site, read the entire editorial, and learn your lesson: http://tinyurl.com/6tat42
You appear to be fatigued by your own brilliance and importance so here is another quote from the Elder editorial:
"Chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, Democrat Charlie Rangel, said of Republicans, "It's not 'spic' or 'ni..er' anymore. They say 'let's cut taxes.'" Rangel, in an attack on Bush, called him "our Bull Connor." Donna Brazile, then Al Gore's campaign manager, called Republicans "white boys," and said, "A white-boy attitude is 'I must exclude, denigrate and leave behind.'"
"Hillary Clinton, before a group of blacks, condemned the then-Republican-controlled Congress: "When you look at the way the House of Representatives has been run, it has been run like a plantation, and you know what I'm talking about." Then-candidate and now Democratic Missouri Sen. Claire McCaskill said of George Bush's response to Hurricane Katrina, "George Bush let people die on rooftops in New Orleans because they were poor and because they were black." In a Katrina hearing, Democrat Barney Frank accused Bush of intentionally responding sluggishly. Why? Katrina would induce blacks to leave Louisiana, making it a more solidly Republican red state — a Bush scheme that Frank called "ethnic cleansing by inaction."
"Democratic Party chairman Howard Dean recently referred to the Republican Party as the "white party." The 35 percent of Asians and 31 percent of Hispanics who voted Republican apparently don't count."
Need more relevancy? Some here might be tempted to refer to you as a halfwit but that would be overstating your intelligence by about ninety percent.
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