Forget Craig.
I had Bill Clinton give me oral sex once. He had Hillary with him and she did not want to participate, she said she liked much younger girls. They all are perverts. |
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Whether you are gay or not is not the question.
Your situation is typical of entrapment policies of police and other 'authorities' throughout this country. It should have ended many years ago, but this country has yet to grow up about LGBT individuals and families.
The police must be called out for harassment and entrapment, and it needs a high profile case like yours to let people know nothing has changed. Resignation would only encourage the police to continue these childish practices.
I've written my Illinois Senators -- Dick Durbin and Barack Obama -- to also support you in this matter.
This could be a great educational opportunity for the Senate, the police, and the rest of the nation.
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Senator Fight it. To be honest I thought that you were guilty when I first heard it and I thought that you should resign too. After hearing the facts and the interview, I support you 100%. Fight it-DO NOT RESIGN!! This is what the United States is about-due process. You got the shaft, fight it. I believe you are innocent and I think so does the rest of the county. Right now you symbolize a crucial turning point in America. Show everyone that due process does work. Stay on. You are the victim. Good luck. |
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In Senator Craig's mind he told the truth: "I'm not gay, I've never been gay." He's simply a good moral (i.e. straight) guy who just fell victim to a Satanic temptation. Praise the Lord! |
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I believe that the only thing he is guilty of is using the mens room in Minnesota. Since when is that and picking up a piece of toilet paper in the bathroom a crime. Pathetic
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Anyone who has shakes Craig's hand should wash their hand immediately, otherwise you might catch "the gay".
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Craig's sin isn't being gay. It isn't even trolling for sex in a public restroom; that's just pathetic. Craig is contemptible because he's a hypocrite, and because he supported legislation to deny equal treatment to people for whom he should have had more than common sympathy. Since about ten percent of the population is gay - a statistic that cuts across just about every other demographic - there are many more Republican Senators and Congressmen just like Craig. Maybe the police should move their sting operation to the Congressional cloakroom!
I think it would be instructive to allow Craig to keep his Senate seat on the condition that he declare his sexuality openly. Would he do it? Even more tellingly would he then begin to vote like a humane, decent person or would he continue to support the nasty agenda of the far right? |
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C'mon, let the voters in Idaho decide if Craig should represent them. You NEVER know, but they might want a creepy, lying bathroom pervert to represent them. He might be better than any Democrat! Give the voters a chance to decide? Isn't this a free market for Democracy, Hugh Hewitt? Why would you limit a candidate with a LOT of experience with the voting public? Are you afraid of Conservative voters running away from Craig after just a few isolated incidents? Doesn't he have a huge pile of integrity compared to just one little incident in a few minutes in an airport bathroom? Wouldn't his huge momentum as a conservative carry him past this? You're a fair weather friend, Hugh Hewitt, your support blows away with the lightest breeze while an avalanche of human misery follows your saint Bush.
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Conservative are losing because they care more about money and power than people. If Craig cared more about people than money and power, he'd have a private sexual life. Period. Since he wants power and money, he'd rather lie and sneak around. Period. Once you realize your life is part of others, you live it to help others and, ultimately yourself. He's as greedy as other "conservatives" and is reaping what that sows. Maybe he's self destructive. Too bad he went into public service where that attitude won't help anyone he wants to help.
Greedy people are losers. Generous, helpful people will help this planet survive. Period.
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Elijah wrote: "Larry Craig's greatest service now would be to step down and allow someone who has a better chance to defeat the "liberals," …and thwart the perverse homosexual agenda."
As a person of faith, it always saddens me to see how much homophobia has distorted and infected Christianity. That said, because I believe in the founding principles enshrined in the First Amendment regarding religious freedom and the separation of Church and State, I am tolerant of those who believe that anti-gay tenets are central to their faith, though I can't help but think their spirits are blighted by such views.
Unfortunately, many conservative Christians are not satisfied with worshipping God as they like, they feel that they must impose their beliefs on the rest of us and they continue to oppress, marginalize, and discriminate against Gay Americans based on their religion.
However, in this country, we have determined that invidious discrimination is unjust and tears at the fabric of our society. We have come to the conclusion that it is fine for people to hold religious beliefs against gambling, divorce, mixed marriages, working on Saturday, or having sex before marriage, but it is not acceptable for them to use those beliefs to justify harming those who do not share them. We have come to understand that, in a pluralistic society where people adhere to many creeds and practice many religious and spiritual practices, allowing such discrimination is fundamentally inconsistent with our core values and would invariably undermine our democratic way of life.
Conservative Christians would prefer to live in a theocracy run by them. It is they who have the perverse agenda. They want to impose their view of morality on the rest of us. Gay Americans simply want to live their lives without fear of losing their jobs, being verbally or physically attacked, being denied housing, or being deprived of a host of other civil rights. |
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I lived in Idaho, and in 2002 at a bar-b-que I meet sen craig, I recall saying that I was praying for him as I shook his hand. sen craig gave me a very odd look when I told him that......I now wished I had washed my hands immediately after shaking his. |
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The funny thing about all of the above is the following, apparently widespread, and totally delusional thinking:
A.) This issue is preventable through the ballot box. Well, you can hardly avoid the Craigs and Foleys and just "get back to true conservativism" through the ballot box. As far as I know, neither disclosed their dirty habits to the voters.
B.) This is something new and we need to return to the golden age of conservatism. When was that? Was that the 80s, early 90s? I don't remember. Who here wishes to be a fool and argue that this sort of stuff didn't happen in the 80s and 90s? So, if it happened then, what are you going to get back to?
To all those who believe in the above crazy talk AND still worship Hugh after he made this incredible statement:
"I realize that I did not say this about Senator Vitter, but Craig's behavior is so reckless and repulsive that an immediate exit is required."
Good luck in your unprincipled, aimless wandering through the wreckage of the Repub Party. This will be the political landscape. Vitter = Craig. Period. If one goes, both goes. Both should go. |
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LA Times: "Idaho Sen. Larry Craig, who has voted against gay marriage and opposes extending special protections to gay and lesbian crime victims . . . ."
Larry Craig is guilty of the liberal sin of HYPOCRISY. La Rochefoucauld called hypocrisy, "The tribute that Vice pays to Virtue." The Devil pays no tribute to Virtue. He demands undivided allegiance from sinners. Larry Craig sinned but refused to bend his knee to the Devil. That is why the Devil is after his head now. Larry Craig refused to enshrine the homosexual agenda in the temple of law.
Yet, Larry Craig must go now because the people of Idaho deserve a chance to elect a stalwart opponent of the homosexual agenda, one who cannot be blackmailed, a fear Larry Craig has lived with for his 27 years in office. Blackmail is invidious because it is hidden. Only the blackmailer and his victim know of it. This makes blackmail a dire threat to republican (small "r") government. The voters never learn the true motives for the political decisions made by their elected representatives who are being blackmailed. This is why the people need to know the character of their leaders. The chance of blackmail is too great a risk. The alternative of surrender to vice is too great a price.
Larry Craig's sin can be forgiven by a loving God but he has broken faith with his constituents. They can forgive him as Christians but they cannot be required to return him to office. Larry Craig's greatest service now would be to step down and allow someone who has a better chance to defeat the "liberals," "secular progressives," or whatever else they are calling themselves nowadays and thwart the perverse homosexual agenda.
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You see, we're in a very interesting moral window of time here. We're at a time when homosexuality is at its peak in being vilified by conservatives (gay marriage and abortion, what else is there?), while in the real world currently there are gay people everywhere, and gay sex is pretty easy to come by.
The conservative view on homosexuality, from the gay community's perspective, is a vicious cycle. It's not WHO you are, it's only WHAT you do. And further, it's repulsive and disgusting. This is strike one.
So people who buy in to that belief, and are themselves truly homosexual to their core (as we all are), remain closeted their entire life, if they can. What's to admit? What's to come to terms with? Again, it's not WHO I am, it's only WHAT I do. So they stay "straight", get married, and try their hardest to get their hardest when their wife wants it. This is strike two.
Inevitably our innate, hard-wired sexuality gets tired of being restricted for decades (or EIGHT decades, like our good Senator), and those closeted, married conservatives act out in shameful, embarrassing ways. This, of course, is strike three. (By the way, if you think this was the first time Sen. Craig has solicited sex in a bathroom, you're fooling yourself).
All three of these strikes, indeed this entire vicious cycle, is avoidable. Conservatives need to tweak their tune from "Gay is Awful", to "Be Yourself, and you can still be conservative".
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Hypocrisy is one thing. Hypocrisy on the level seen in this Republican party is absolutely sickening. These touters of virtue get caught red-handed and then have the audacity to be offended as if they are the victims. Americans are the victims of these cheaters and liars. They would not be in office if the voters knew of their hypocritical discretions and it is the voters who have the authority to forgive them or NOT. They can go to church on their own time and money and ask forgiveness but to have no shame and not resign from office they no longer have a right to hold is a disturbing trend in these tumultuous times. |
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somehow i just knew this thread would get around to blaming Bubba and the democrats for bad larry seeking a glory hole romance. yep, it is the dems fault that larry was carrying on so!
all laughs aside, it is quite obvious the senator is a very very sick man ... now i have no idea if this sickness was caused by his political beleifs or not (sic) nor do i care really. i just don't want to share a bathroom with the guy ... and i bet this is the non partisan position of his fellow senators. you can bet, this is the main reason other senators are calling for his resignation!
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somehow i just knew this thread would get around to blaming Bubba and the democrats for bad larry seeking a glory hole romance. yep, it is the dems fault that larry was carrying on so!
all laughs aside, it is quite obvious the senator is a very very sick man ... now i have no idea if this sickness was caused by his political beleifs or not (sic) nor do i care really. i just don't want to share a bathroom with the guy ... and i bet this is the non partisan position of his fellow senators. you can bet, this is the main reason other senators are calling for his resignation!
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For Sen. Craig. Forced into a lifetime of lies and heartache because he could not handle the pressures that society imposes on gay Americans. There are so many like him, and I'm proud that the positive changes and attitudes towards gays will inevitably rid the country of this horrible stigma of "being in the closet" once and for all.
His career should not be ruined because he is gay. His marriage is ruined (though they adopted all 3 children) maybe the wife was just a "friend"....but that is personal..for them to work out. He is gay though and there is no way this will be a shock to her.
It's sad to witness how Sen Craig and others used their powers to try and suppress the lives of open and happy gay Americans. It's why we wonder if people like Matt Barber and those like him are gay. (The obsessions) In the end, after all the backstabbing and contempt, WE understand....
WE will forgive.
Be free my gay brothers and sisters....
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GOP ethical violations traditionaly cause a closing of ranks around the offender, until he becomes so tainted as to be unsupportable.
This GOP behavior goes all the way back to John Tower, but more recent examples are Trent Lott, Newt Gingrich, Tom Delay, and Mark Foley, all of whom got into ethical difficulties and were protected by their comreades in congress.
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If Larry Craig did this, he should have the courage to 'man up' to it like David Vitter did. |
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Sigh. The only truly thoughtful thing I have read in this discussion was the quote from George Washington about the dangers of partisanship and ideology.
It is obvious to me that those bigots that throw around the word "pervert", "perversion", and "perverted" to describe Craig and his actions are equating homosexuality with public sex. That is logically and morally indefensible. A large part of the reason these men seek out such sexual liaisons in public places is that they, presumably like Mr. Craig, feel trapped by a society with ignorant, intolerant, and deluded views regarding human sexuality. Whatever the reasons for such desperate behavior, nobody should be forced to see or hear inappropriate sexual acts in public, period.
I agree with Hewitt that Craig's indiscretion is much more reckless than Vitter's, though his calling it more repulsive betrays a double standard that probably stems from anti-gay bias. For those, like Bridget above, who believe that homosexuality per se is a "perversion", I must point out that the only way to defend this view in a logical and principled fashion is to limit sex to procreation. Any other kind of sexual contact would then be a perversion (which you might recognize is closest to the Roman Catholic view of sex). And since homosexual and bisexual behavior and orientation have been documented in hundreds of species, an appeal to "the natural order of things" falls flat, don't you think?
The only reasons this is even remotely newsworthy are the extreme hypocrisy of Craig's anti-gay, so-called "family values" voting record in light of his not-so-private indiscretions AND the likelihood that this illegal and reckless behavior is habitual. |
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the difference between vitter and craig is that one is repentent and asked for forgiveness. I am more okay with that. sometimes people do make mistakes, but when they try and cover them up and deny them and downplay them, out with them!!
Vitter is probably a better person then he was before he screwed up. craig is just arrogant.
either way, i am so tired of it. really. these guys are a bunch of idiots. i say out with all of them and start a new. |
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senator craig makes me sick! these guys are so arrogant and reckless. anybody that put himself int hat situation needs to be taken out of power.
i am so tired of these people. we need term limits!! these guys get so arrogant, they think they are untouchable.
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It's amazing to me that any discussion is had at all about this behavior - - a man in a restroom soliciting sex from men.
We reached a point in this culture where perversions are unrecognized.
For me, sex is a private relationship, and I mean private, between a man and a woman...meaning their DNA is indicative of that. It is the natural order or things and all the political correctness in the world won't change it.
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neoconssuck writes: all I wanted was
a strong but intelligent use of our military -
Fiscal conservatism-
Intelligent foreign policy-
And which Democrat did you find that would give you all this? Bill clinton? Al Gore? J Forbes K?
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Does Craig like George Allen? Just asking.
Hugh, I agree Craig needs to go, the sooner the better. But it is not much different than soliciting sex from a hooker. It is reckless behavior for a Senator and it is hypocritical. Vitter should have gotten the boot too. |
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Someow it doesn't suprise me that you find buying sex froma hooker to be "discreet" and soemhow more in line with family values that this closet case. Very christorepublican stance.
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Thought the 1st of mine above was somehow deleted...Not..errr...obsessed...just a luddite ! |
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..now wondering in e-mails..."So,what's the problem??" Whilst relishing Repub.discomfort..
Cynical little Twerps.
John's right...Re-register as a Demmie,Senator.
They'll nurture you and luv 'till you can luv yourself.West Hollywood Dems have some dandy bars
where you'll not be interrupted in the john.
BUT,GET THE HELL outta the Senate & Repub Party.
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..and many,many Demmies who'll be relishing this
...EeeeeeeeeeeekK...Repub "Hypocrisy"...Cynical
little Twerps.
The Scumbag needs to GO. Period. The End.
Several of my filmland aquaintances have already hit the e-mail with amusing little variations of..."So..What's the problem?"
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Hotair.com has the video of Craig supporting Mitt.
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Call me crazy, but I think there IS a difference between Vitter and Craig. Vitter's actions were a discreet indescretion that occurred in a private place behind closed doors. Craig is nothing more than a slimeball trolling for a good time in an open public area. It was in a bathroom for Christ sakes -- talk about the lowlife of lowlife's. Can you imagine getting it on with some guy you just peered at through the crack in a stall while the guy next to you is taking a dump? That's just plain sick. Vitter was getting it on with some young hot babe in a hotel room -- it was infidelity and it wasn't right but does not rise anywhere near the level of sickness and depravity of Craig
And yes, though many will call me a bigot, I do think that gay sex represents a greater perversion than straight sex. Just wait, a man capable of trolling for sex in a men's bathroom is sure to have many other stories of debauchery come flowing out in the open in the days and months ahead. |
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Of course not, that was heterosexual act and thus morally superior to for example a long term committed gay relationship.
Hewitt has his priorities straight: if you're straight everything is allowed. This only shows the blatant double standard and hypocrisy of conservative movement.
Had Craig had sex with a woman or even attempted heterosexual rape or nice sexual harassment, Hewitt would defend him. Had he behaved like O'Reilly there would be no reason to resign...
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Hugh,
David Vitter committed adultery with prostitutes. Why isn't that at least as "reckless and repulsive" as Larry Craig's conduct? |
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we really should start to focus on protecting chilcren from republicans.
Another anti-gay republican closet case: after a while it gets tiresome. The most immoral act of this man wan't this one: it was his venomously anti-gay stance so that he can pander the lowest of the low, the Christian right of his party, people that will now kick him under the bus.
What a sad, sad man. But once again confirms that those who are most venomously anti-gay have some real issues themselves. maybe he'll go to same therapy Ted Haggard did who after two moinths is now "completely homosexual" and is back in business of begging for money from Christians.
Maybe mayor Naugle should focus on banning republican activity in public restrooms?
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I am just beside myself:
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Kick him out of the senate along with every one else. As far as I'm concerned they are all criminals and don't deserve a lick of respect, not to mention their free health care, pensions, and exorbitant pay.
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Craig's arrest is not a sign of "rot" in the Republican party. But this over-the-top reaction is a sign of rot in our culture -- the willingness to demonize as "perverts" people who in most respects are just like you and me....
...which is what the leaders of the Idaho GOP and your poster boy Mitt Romney privately recognized as they kept Craig on their respective teams.
If you want to drive Craig out of office, then you better be ready to follow this through to its logical conclusion. All Idaho GOP leaders, all GOP senate leaders, and the top levels of the Romney camp including the candidate himself should be grilled publicly on "what did they know about Craig and when did they know it." If it's a witchhunt you want, let there be a witchhunt.
What I wish Romney had the guts to say is, "Yeah, I heard about him being gay. It didn't bother me, because I value Craig for his knowledge of..." whatever it is Craig is an expert at. That would be very healthy for the Republican Party. But you all won't let him do it. |
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I never voted for any REAL Republicans- this bunch of clowns has perverted the message. You're right- I never did-
couldn't look at myself in the mirror and changed parties- I only trusted the voter drive at church to not throw out my change of party form-
All I wanted was-
a strong but INTELLIGENT use of our military -DIDN'T GET IT.
Fiscal conservatism- DIDN'T GET THAT, either.
Intelligent foreign policy- sure as H*ll didn't get that with this bunch of mo-rons. |
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"Bad boy, Bill Clinton. You're a naughty boy."
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and the GOP's perceived moral superiority and "family values" is a thin and getting thinner, cynical facade for a failed agenda.
Every new week chips away at the veneer of respectabilty and reveals the party of rampant hypocrisy.
PS- did I mention deLay, Safavian, Abramoff, Ney, Cunningham, and all the other unindicted or soon- to be indicted?
I guess the reason you guys DON'T KNOW about all your criminals is that foKKKs 'news" doesn't run these stories, and its' too taxing to actually READ, or open your mind to the TRUTH.
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JamesB wrote: "What does the Republican "vision" or the Democrats supposed lack thereof have to do with a pitiful, fallible human being like Craig? Your actions in life should be a reflection of your morals. Worrying about the perceived moral superiority of your political party is mostly words and yap-yap and kind of lame because I really do believe that God is watching us."
The "vision" of the Republican part is a composition of many things, traditional Judeo-Christian "morality" being one element. Perhaps I should have used the term "principles."
And it has everything to do with a pitiful, fallible human being like Craig. My point -- made several times in this thread -- is that the Republican part seems to be populated with "pitiful, fallible human beings like Craig." That's my point about "vision," or, if you prefer, "principles." A party with a firm set of principles would not foster the election and reelection of such people.
"Worrying about the perceived moral superiority of your political party is mostly words and yap-yap and kind of lame because I really do believe that God is watching us." Frankly, I'm not even sure I understand what you're trying to say here. That in the "grand scheme of things" none of this matters, since in the final accounting God has other measures of the man than party affiliation? |
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neoconssuck writes: "you say the Dems are depraved and criminal? An ex REPUBLICAN voter."
First, it is almost certain you never voted for a Republican this sid of John Chafee.
Secondly, at the risk of repeating myself. This not about which party has less scandal. It is about the Law of Expectations which is:
We don't expect this of Republicans and so it is a big deal. When Dems befoul themselves it is no big deal.
Because of the law of expectations many have forgotten: Chappaquiddick, Wilbur Mills, Gary Hart, Barney Frank, Cisneros, Gary Condit, William jefferson, Sandy Berger, James McGreevey, Robert Torricelli, Daniel David Rostenkowski, John Murtha, Jr., Alcee Lamar Hastings, Marion Barry , Frederick Richmond, Gerry Eastman Studds and ofe course, Al Sharpton
I left Bill Clinton off the list because heaven knows that was a very big deal.
But I repeat myself...
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You guys have David Safavian, Jack Abramoff, Duke Cunningham, Bob Ney, Ted Haggard, Mark Foley, that OTHER guy in Florida, and you say the Dems are depraved and criminal? Puhhh-leeze!
Oh yeah, I forgot about Jefferson and Cynthia McKinney ( they're also black, easy targets for whitey-mcBread GOP'ers)
And Rev. Haggard only purchased the meth to keep it out of some kids' hands, eh??
An ex REPUBLICAN voter. |
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Allen wrote:Yeah I'm guessing Mitt can't distance himself enough from this guy. Sen. Craig was also a big proponent of amnesty, so no big loss here if he resigns.
Hey, I thought Mitt was against open borders, at least that's what he says. So why is/was his Senate campaign manager Craig pro immigration? I'm confused. |
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Boris writes: "Let's face it. The GOP started to go down hill with Bush and Co. "
Boy that is far a non sequitur. Do try to stick with good principle of logic dear fellow. This has nothing at all to do with president Bush.
Craig's politics were very conservative. Only his heretofore private behavior was not. You can also not say his now public bevhavior is either liberal or conservative. It is simply, sadly immoral.
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Richard from Kent said: You don't expect this of Republicans and so it is a big deal. When Dems befoul themselves it is no big deal.
I couldn't agree more. It is lame to say the Dems do it too. What we reallhy need to do is reinforce our standard. Thus Craig must go...
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Those republicans in Washington are not
conservatives at all. They do not share your values or your beliefs, they just pander to you to get your votes. And you know what? it obviously works. Open your eyes and vote them out. Look at the immigration issue. Both my senators, Isakson and Chambliss, got up there and laughed with Kennedy and introduced the shamnesty, then when our voices got too loud they ran home crying. Do not be fooled. Their first instinct was to sell us out. Vote them out. withhold your money and pray for a real conservative 3rd party to rise out of the ashes and save this country.
Oh and don't give me but...but... the democrats biz, the republicans deserve everything they get!!!!
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JackShiite writes: It is seriously time to throw these people out of the party.
You are much to excited about this. Calmate, calmate, mi amigo. We will get through this. Lets just start with tossing Craig. |
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Boris said: The tabs are reporting that Jenna Bush is prego.
I thought only lonely women bought those Super market Tabuloids, Et Tu , Boris? |
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The Mechanical Eye writes: "Was there an unspoken hostility to gay men and women tacitly endorsed by the circles he traveled in?"
I was born and raised in Idaho. That question is totally uncalled for... A cheap shot. So cheap one wonders if you cheap a golf, too.
Why not just play the ball where it is. Craig had a weakness and a weak moment. You nor I know nothing about him other than that.
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Boris writes: The GOP is too much into 0 defect mentality.
And is it bad not to expect the best behavior and be disappointed when it doesn't happen?
We can acknowledge human weakness, but must not embrase it as so many liberals do. Thus Craig must go.
As aman of the center right I hold with Robert Browning:
"Ah, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp,
Or what's a heaven for?"
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"Well, the dhimmicrats do it too!"
Not sure if this will motivate people in 2008 to go for the (R) label. If the GOP courts religious and socially conservative voting blocs, it better start acting the part, no?
Also, some commenters are mentioning Barney Frank. This may be far, but invoking him as if his name is a magic incantation against the Homosexual Agenda will only go so far. Again, just saying "b-but they do it too!" isn't a rousing defense of the GOP's misfeasance on its sexual scandals.
In passing, I'd like to ask what compelled Sen. Craig to go cruising for sex in anonymous airport bathrooms. What in his life growing up in socially conservative Idaho would force him to stay so thoroughly in the closet that compelled him to act in such self-destructive ways? Was there an unspoken hostility to gay men and women tacitly endorsed by the circles he traveled in?
But that's asking a bit too much right now.
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JamesB writes: When someone on your team messes up, you deal with it straight on,
Agreed.
That is why we will always have to deal with the Law of Expectations. Nobody expects this of Conservatives any more than they expect it of a preacher. It is always worse when it is unexpects.
Let's expect to keep it that way. Craig must go.
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DonAZ wrote:
Tipping Point
If this isn't it, we're damn close to it. ...
I agree with DonAZ. We keep electing complete asses like Craig and they keep burning us. With the help of the MSM this will inflate to taint the entire Republican party and we'll get thoroughly hammered next year. We almost deserve it.
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Yes, I read his post. Craig should resign.
The problem goes deeper. It's not just Craig. It's the very real sense that Craig is today's problem, and that tomorrow there'll be another, and the day after another still.
The GOP lost its vision years ago. So have the Democrats, but their operating principle has nothing to do with vision. The GOP does ... or should. What we see is the GOP when it does not. |
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This is no reflection on the Republican Party as a whole. Hold, I'll take that back. It is a positive reflection that we police our own while the Moon Bats make excuses for theirs. |
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Run, Mitt, Run
I's stealing a word from Dean, but isn't their something creepy about a party that says it represents family values, and this kind of stuff keeps happening?
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We knew this would bring the Kosroachs out. Let's turn on a little light and try a little bug bomb.
The reason this is an issue at all is the law of expectations.
You don't expect this of Republicans and so it is a big deal. When Dems befoul themselves it is no big deal.
Lets we forget: Chappaquiddick, Wilbur Mills, Gary Hart, Barney Frank, Cisneros, Gary Condit, William jefferson, Sandy Berger, James McGreevey, Robert Torricelli, Daniel David Rostenkowski, John Murtha, Jr., Alcee Lamar Hastings, Marion Barry , Frederick Richmond, Gerry Eastman Studds and ofe course, Al Sharpton
I left Bill Clinton off the list because heaven knows that was a very big deal.
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jamesj writes:What utter idiots are those
that fall for this! Flush 'em down in 2008.
KosRoach infestation alert.
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jamesj writes:What utter idiots are those
that fall for this! Flush 'em down in 2008.
KosRoach infestation alert.
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Of course, Craig should go since his immorality allows him open to persuasion from enemies of the Republic. Now the oddity is that the Party of Perversion, the Dems would defend him to the enth degree. Their gay militants, their crooks are still in office and it is those who will make the blatant charges of 'corruption' against all Pubs. I love the Pubs who are shocked, shocked about Foley, the gays in Az. , Cunningham et al. The list of Dem bums is astronomical yet they are still in power. The double standard is appalling. All the crooks, all the perverts should be forced to resign. Think of all the openings in the Congress that there would be. Why, you would not even need term limits! |
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If this isn't it, we're damn close to it. I consider myself a sensible guy, a conservative who prefers to weigh matters rather than cite slogans. I read this and I thought to myself, "The accumulated weight of the rot that infests the core of the GOP has become almost too much to bear." Here's the difference -- I'm damn near too weary to even offer a DEFENSE of the GOP any more.
I suspect I am not alone. The Republican's position of power from 1994 on created a cancer that went to the bone. I'm fully aware of the danger of allowing the Democrat majority to expand, and the danger of having a D president with a D Senate and House. But at what point in time do the party faithful just close their eyes, weep, and walk away? I contend the time is damn well nigh.
Blame the media all you want. The simple truth is that the GOP has had a disadvantage relative to the media since the 1960's. A Republican pimple is equal to Democrat festering sore. Accept it. And don't field candidates who are this stupid, rotten, corrupt and vile. |
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There are plenty of qualified Republicans in Idhao. Craig needs to go, Now!
The 1st Regular Session of 2007 sees Republicans controlling both chambers. The 59th Idaho Senate consists of 28 Republicans and 7 Democrats, with the Idaho House of Representatives to consist of 51 Republicans and 19 Democrats. |
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All arrest are public records. How did this happen in June and it is just now hitting the press today? What else goes on with these folks and the voters never see it. |
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I fly through MSP all the time, and this goes on in the men's rooms? As Dean might say, this is creepy. |
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Gonzales... Craig...Vitter...Bush...
So the senator from "family values GOP" is
searching for sex among the toilets.
What magnificent fraud this political party
has pulled off! What utter idiots are those
that fall for this!
Flush 'em down in 2008. |
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I just read that Sen. Craig is/was the campaign chairman for Mitt Romney in Idaho. He's just stepped down from that position today though. Yeah I'm guessing Mitt can't distance himself enough from this guy. Sen. Craig was also a big proponent of amnesty, so no big loss here if he resigns. |
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John writes:
This is appalling
When are we going to start kicking these perverts out of the Republican party. A bunch of posts above keep saying this guy should have been in the Democratic party but the fact is he was in the GOP just like Foley and a bunch of others who were able to escape from the limelight the last time a gay scandal erupted. Then we had Vitter another family values candidate. If we can't see that this totally destroys any claim we have to morality, not to mention turning the party into a Letterman joke, then I don't know what does. These people need to be kicked out it's as simple as that. If we won't do it we deserve to be vilified and laughed at for hypocrisy.
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Well said, John. It's time the Republican Party started cleaning up the cesspool within its ranks. Blaming the other side doesn't cut it people, get a grip on reality. Our party is floundering, it seems to be loaded with perverts.
Take your part back, people, from the neocons and the perverts and the global liberals who now run it.
Take it back for true conservatism. Wipe out the pervs and the amnesty-givers and the neocons, all of them, throw them out of office with your vote. Elect/Nominate true conservatives if you want to see conservatism work in this country.
It's our last chance, this election, before changing demographics will wipe out our chance.
If you nominate another CINO global liberal, you've screwed the GOP, and we don't want you in our party. You've done enough damage. |
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Craig's campaign for re-election just 'Stalled' out and he's leaving his 'seat' open.
Wake up and smell the urinal cake the Republican party is in the toilet. |
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..hit yer backside,Senator Scumorama.Republicans need to hold their ScummDoofues to a stricter standard than the 'Anything-Absolutely-Anything Goes' Demmies.
Hasta la BY-BY ! |
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The governor is a Republican - Butch Otter. He would appoint a successor to fill Craig's seat until the 2008 election. Almost certain he would appoint Lt. Gov. Jim Risch, a lawyer from Boise. Risch probably will run whether or not Craig seeks re-election. |
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sergeant that he was under arrest, his remark as he handed him the United States Senator business card was, "WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT?".........................Beltway elitism in it's finest tradition!!! |
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The predictability of Lefties POUNCING on this one was a bet even Michael Vick could not refuse.Yep, toothdecayer and Stinkeye are present and accounted for.
Yeah, this guy, Craig, should go. Just as Mark Foley should have.
Just like Barney Frank did...oooops, he's still there, never having been made, by democrats, to account for operating a boy prostitute ring out of his Capitol hill apartment. Stephen L. Gobie proided all of the sordid details.
Just like Massachussetts representative, Gerry Studds should have, BUT, never did leave his position---and, was subsequently paid ($) thousands in campaign funds to help in stay in office.
Just like William Jefferson should have---ooops, he was still in office nearly a year after his date with infamy.
Just like Mel Reynolds should have---but was still acting as representative for his people in Illinois a year later---eventually found guilty of sex with 16 year olds.
Just like.....it goes on and on---but in the Lefties world, it is only a republican bane. |
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Idaho law on appointments and who's the governor? If those things are checking out then yes Craig should resign to let the new GOP senator have time to mount a election campaign. |
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When are we going to start kicking these perverts out of the Republican party. A bunch of posts above keep saying this guy should have been in the Democratic party but the fact is he was in the GOP just like Foley and a bunch of others who were able to escape from the limelight the last time a gay scandal erupted. Then we had Vitter another family values candidate. If we can't see that this totally destroys any claim we have to morality, not to mention turning the party into a Letterman joke, then I don't know what does. These people need to be kicked out it's as simple as that. If we won't do it we deserve to be vilified and laughed at for hypocrisy. |
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Why should Vitter stay and Craig go? What's the difference in their conduct? |
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This is not a party line issue.
If you have toured the Oval Office during the previous administration, would you have wanted to touch anything.....? ....or have a cigar....?
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Does this mean his poor wife will have to come and stand awkwardly behind a mic and pledge her continued support.
I think he should stay; he is a good example of how the political class services themselves, not their constituants. |
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Rep. Frank, Sen. Kennedy and Sen. Dodd beg to differ... The primary difference between the parties is that we want our miscreants to step down. You just keep re-electing them. |
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First Foley, then Vitter, now this? Has my party lost its mind?!
I agree with Hugh. Go directly back to Idaho, Sen. Craig. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.
Jon, http://exurbanleague.com |
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Craig should go. He fits in better with the dems. I agree with bill-tb above. |
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The GOP's continuing problem with its publicly-elected officials getting caught in sexual misconduct isn't just the stuff of Larry Flynt exposes or Daily Show jokes any more -- there's something deeply wrong with the entire party's "family values" philosophy.
Scandals like these are becoming routine -- I'm really reaching here, but maybe this should spark some introspection in the GOP about how it should view sexual matters.
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Just change his registration to Democrat and he will fit right in. Heck the Donks may even give him a merit badge for his accomplishments. |
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Neither should resign, however they should both choose to bow out Craig in 08, Vitter in 2010. If Republicans could fill both seats only then should they look into the possiblity of resigning. In Washington, scandals are not what you do but what you get caught doing. |
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With all due respect, if all GOPers guilty of "reckless and repulsive" behavior resign, there won't be many of your guys left in Washington. |
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