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Wednesday, August 29, 2007
Iran In Iraq: Clarity And Confrontation Or Appeasement?
Posted by: Hugh Hewitt at 9:45 AM
U.S. forces detained then released another group of Iranians in Iraq yesterday.  The president said yesterday that:



Iran has long been a source of trouble in the region. It is the world's leading state sponsor of terrorism. Iran backs Hezbollah who are trying to undermine the democratic government of Lebanon. Iran funds terrorist groups like Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, which murder the innocent, and target Israel, and destabilize the Palestinian territories. Iran is sending arms to the Taliban in Afghanistan, which could be used to attack American and NATO troops. Iran has arrested visiting American scholars who have committed no crimes and pose no threat to their regime. And Iran's active pursuit of technology that could lead to nuclear weapons threatens to put a region already known for instability and violence under the shadow of a nuclear holocaust.

Iran's actions threaten the security of nations everywhere. And that is why the United States is rallying friends and allies around the world to isolate the regime, to impose economic sanctions. We will confront this danger before it is too late.


He added:

Shia extremists, backed by Iran, are training Iraqis to carry out attacks on our forces and the Iraqi people. Members of the Qods Force of Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps are supplying extremist groups with funding and weapons, including sophisticated IEDs. And with the assistance of Hezbollah, they've provided training for these violent forces inside of Iraq. Recently, coalition forces seized 240-millimeter rockets that had been manufactured in Iran this year and that had been provided to Iraqi extremist groups by Iranian agents. The attacks on our bases and our troops by Iranian-supplied munitions have increased in the last few months -- despite pledges by Iran to help stabilize the security situation in Iraq.

Some say Iran's leaders are not aware of what members of their own regime are doing. Others say Iran's leaders are actively seeking to provoke the West. Either way, they cannot escape responsibility for aiding attacks against coalition forces and the murder of innocent Iraqis. The Iranian regime must halt these actions. And until it does, I will take actions necessary to protect our troops. I have authorized our military commanders in Iraq to confront Tehran's murderous activities.


What is Iran's role in Iraq?  The Weekly Standard has just published The Iran Dossier,  by Kim Kagan.  The introduction:

Iran, and its Lebanese proxy Hezbollah, have been actively involved in supporting Shia militias and encouraging sectarian violence in Iraq since the invasion of 2003-and Iranian planning and preparation for that effort began as early as 2002. The precise purposes of this support are unclear and may have changed over time. But one thing is very clear: Iran has consistently supplied weapons, its own advisors, and Lebanese Hezbollah advisors to multiple resistance groups in Iraq, both Sunni and Shia, and has supported these groups as they have targeted Sunni Arabs, Coalition forces, Iraqi Security Forces, and the Iraqi Government itself. Their infl uence runs from Kurdistan to Basrah, and Coalition sources report that by August 2007, Iranian-backed insurgents accounted for roughly half the attacks on Coalition forces, a dramatic change from previous periods that had seen the overwhelming majority of attacks coming from the Sunni Arab insurgency and al Qaeda.

The Coalition has stepped-up its efforts to combat Iranian intervention in Iraq in recent months both because the Iranians have increased their support for violence in Iraq since the start of the surge and because Coalition successes against al Qaeda in Iraq and the larger Sunni Arab insurgency have permitted the re-allocation of resources and effort against a problem that has plagued attempts to establish a stable government in Iraq from the outset. With those problems increasingly under control, Iranian intervention is the next major problem the Coalition must tackle.



Today, Iran's provocateur-in-chief, President Ahmadinejad, announced that "Today, Iran is a nuclear Iran. That means, it fully possesses the whole nuclear fuel cycle."

Yesterday, Ahmadinejad went further:

"The political power of the occupiers is collapsing rapidly," Ahmadinejad said at a news conference, referring to U.S. troops in Iraq. "Soon, we will see a huge power vacuum in the region. Of course, we are prepared to fill the gap, with the help of neighbors and regional friends like Saudi Arabia, and with the help of the Iraqi nation."


Yesterday on the program, Thomas P.M. Barnett urged a regional settlement between Iran and Saudi Arabia, one that the U.S, could hurry along by ceasing all efforts to bring about Sunni-Shia reconciliation in Iraq.  When I pointed out that such a withdrawal from a portion of the U.S. mission could lead to genocide, Barnett asserted killing on a large scale was inevitable anyway, and that the killing had to precede the regional settlement.  "[W]e’re going to get the same outcome whether it’s slow-motion or whether it’s fast," Barnett argued.  "[W]e need to compromise with the Iranians now to make the Iraq thing work, and squeeze them later on the Bomb as it ensues," he went on. "By bundling those two things together, we’re guaranteeing that Iran’s going to fight us in Iraq, and I think that’s going to make our situation on a political basis untenable in the short run, and it’s going to, I’m more concerned about a reaction here in the United States than I am about the number of losses that I think are going to happen anyway in Iraq."

His conclusion:

My argument would be if you do this in a slow motion, you’re going to get the same body count. It’s just going to be stretched over time. And I don’t know what the moral argument is on that one. 250,000 dead over a three year period versus over a six month period. You know, I don’t know where you come down morally on that one. They’re all preventable deaths, is my argument. We’re not making the diplomatic surge, which is unfortunate, in concert with the personnel surge, because I think we have been successful in Kurdistan, and continue to be, and I think we have been successful against Al Qaeda-Iraq. What we haven’t been able to do because we’re in the middle of a proxy war between Tehran and Riyadh is to stop those two powers from fighting.   



Barnett is a very smart guy, but there is in his recommendation more than an echo of indifference to a  "a quarrel in a far away country between people of whom we know nothing," and a limitless belief in the efficacy of diplomacy vis-a-vis Iran.  There is also a rush to damn Bush rather than recognize that there wasn't an alternative to toppling Saddam, and there isn't an alternative now to confronting Iran.

And there is no way that America should countenance the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis because we are afraid to confront a fanatical regime next door led by a millenialist mullahs who clearly aim to remove Israel from the map in a blinding flash, a flash that will start a series of events too awful to contemplate.

When French President Sarkozy announced this week that we are approaching an unfortunate choice, "an Iranian bomb or the bombing of Iran," it was a candid and welcome assessment of where we are and the terrible choices ahead.  Iran does not want peace with the West, and Hezbollah on the north and Hamas to the south do not want peace with Israel, lying between them.  Both branches of militant, radical Islam do not want peace.  They want the war they have started to grow more intense and to spread.  Many within both branches of Islam oppose them.  We need to stand with our allies and confront the evil squarely, not run from it and hope it will moderate itself over a peace table that doesn't exist, agreeing to terms that will never be written.

The alternatives for Americans are clarity about the war we find ourselves in and the nature of the enemy we are fighting, or appeasement followed by a renewed attack on us or a holocaust in the Middle East that won't end as Dr. Barnett seems to think, with a few hundred thousand murdered in Iraq.

The hysterical anti-war group has completely cowed the Democrat Party, and the election of Hillary next year means the certain embrace of appeasement.  Either a Giuliani or a Romney presidency means the continuation of the resolve to meet the dual enemy on many fields with an American military much more experienced in the tactics of this war and with a growing number of allies in the Muslim world. 

I am hoping that reality and not wishful thinking governs the electorate a year from now.  The consequences of the return of the appeasement Democrats to the executive branch are too awful to fully imagine.



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Thaale writes: Wednesday, August, 29, 2007 10:21 AM
Giuliani? Romney? Tough?
“Either a Giuliani or a Romney presidency means the continuation of the resolve to meet the dual enemy on many fields with an American military much more experienced in the tactics of this war and with a growing number of allies in the Muslim world.”

You’re basing this assertion on what? The way both men met the NVA challenge in the 60s? We’re not exactly talking about McCain-type heroism here. Giuliani’s record of resolution in dealing with the enemy consists wholly of clamping down on the squeegee men in NYC. If as president he’s faced with nothing more threatening than middle eastern fanatics intent on trying to clean our windshields with dirty old newspapers, then I’m sure he’ll be able to deal. But if the “enemy” presents any more of a challenge than that – like, for instance, a gang of pervs who go wilding against young girls on Puerto Rican Groping Day – then his past record suggests he’ll be nowhere to be found.

But at that, Romney’s complete cipher of a record on any security issue makes Giuliani look like Dirty Harry in comparison.

Both men have a point in slinging mud at each other’s abysmal records of non-enforcement of our immigration laws: since neither can be trusted to defend our country’s interests even within our own borders, how can they seriously be trusted to defend our interests on the far side of the world?
Thaale writes: Wednesday, August, 29, 2007 10:33 AM
Joining the “reality-based” side
Andrew, I mean Hugh, I think it may finally be time for you to join the side you’re already on, as the saying goes. You are an elitist Wilsonian. You sound like an interventionist Democrat (Clinton, LBJ, Wilson) when you scold conservatives for wanting America to look out for America’s interests. Hillary wouldn’t be an appeasement Democrat – she’d be a bomb the Chinese embassy, pick one warlord over another Democrat just like her husband (and W).

“I am hoping that reality and not wishful thinking governs the electorate a year from now.”

Ah, reality. What a cross you reality-based stalwarts must bear in dealing with us maddening wishful thinkers – though it must be refreshing knowing that you have all the right answers, if only you could convince the rabble.

I don’t think there’s any turning back to conservatism, once an individual has started thinking in elitist terms as you have fallen into. When those who disagree with you stop being other intelligent people who merely have a different (and possibly even superior) opinion and start being reality-denying wishful thinkers, it’s only a short step to portraying them as blackhearted villains. You already throw isolationist around as if it’s a dirty word. Can Christianist be far behind?
Roger writes: Wednesday, August, 29, 2007 10:35 AM
Thomas B.D.S. Barnett?
I'm having a problem following Mr. Barnett's reasonong here. Pres. Bush is wrong because he doesn't legitimize Iran's interference in the affairs of a sovereign nation? We interfered in Iraq to the extent of deposing Saddam Hussein, but that was a necessary step for the good of the world. Saddam had no legitimacy as leader of Iraq beyond his ability to identify and murder rivals. Our interference was clearly not a case of putting our self interest above the interests of the Iraqi people.

Since Saddam's overthrow, we have made every effort to turn the country over to a government chosen by the Iraqi people and come home. We have no right to negotiate Iraq's future with Iran, even if we were foolish enough to want to. To say that we must negotiate with Iran because they ARE a factor in Iraq is to legitimize the "might makes right" notion that is the antithesis of our democratic principles. I would ask Mr. Barnett how negotiating Iranian influence over Iraq differs from negotiating German control over the Sudetanland?
Moqui writes: Wednesday, August, 29, 2007 11:39 AM
Barnett is an intellectual hack
he repackages the thoughts & theories of others and presentst them as his own, without attribution.

Hugh, you lessen yourself every time you give this fraud air time.
richard_223 writes: Wednesday, August, 29, 2007 12:01 PM
What Do You Mean by 'We" Hugh?
A Fallujah Marine quoted in Newsweek:

Have no doubt: there is a distinct disdain for networked America among the fighting class of this country. When a politician would come on TV in the Camp Fallujah chow hall talking about Iraq, the rank-and-file reaction was always something like, “Well, I am blue-collar cannon fodder to this wealthy bureaucrat who never got shot at and whose kids aren’t here. But I know I am making America safer, so I’ll do my job anyway.”

Mitt was on Laura's show yesterday bragging how fit and athletic his son's arer. If they believe Hugh's contention's, why are they not over their fighting instead of riding around in Winnebago's campaigning for dad? Elites like Mitt and Hugh talk big, do nothing.
richard_223 writes: Wednesday, August, 29, 2007 12:08 PM
Chain of Command
Amen Thalle. We now know an MBA from Harvard does not a military genius make.

I can't think of anything in Mitt's career to convince me he can be any sort of military commander. He was in France preaching during Viet Nam. He has absolutley no military experience or inclination. I have no confidence in him as Commander in Chief.
roho writes: Wednesday, August, 29, 2007 12:12 PM
This article is completely illogical!
1. We have an overstretched military now. The DRAFT is our only option of creating manpower.

2. What allies?........Even NATO has virtualy NO boots on the ground, and once again western Europeans benefit from U.S. soldiers!

3. We saved Kuwait and Saudi Arabia from the advancing Iraqi Army nearly 20 years ago! Where is their "Loyal Alie Troops"? I notice we continue to send them billions of dollars in high tech military hardware!

4. The Iraqis fought the Iranians for 8 years, but now have motivation problems fighting for their Democracy?.....Why should they if we will?

5. As long as "Smart Bombs" are the ordinance of the day, nobody fears a super power! You can get a haircut in the barber shop while the U.S. targets an ememy next door.(Wars are won when civilian casualties cause a culture to hate their own government!)

6. If OIL was pouring out of the ANWAR, nuclear power plants were being built in America, and we were energy independent, we could just bomb them into the 7th century and come home!

7. And, just what did GWB mean when he said,"Iraqi Oil will pay for this war"???

8. I'm believing that maybe the Pentagon has NOBODY in Washington that listens to them anymore?
richard_223 writes: Wednesday, August, 29, 2007 12:21 PM
Iranian American Friendship Fraternity?
Bush, in those soaring Wilsonian speeches Hugh loves ,said the Iraqis wanted freedom and democracy. Its obvious by now they do not.

The reality is the want power and are more than willing to kill each other and us, to get. In the runup to the war, we were never told we would remain there to keep Arabs from killing each other. Would anyone have been if favor of the war with that foreknowldge? I don't want American troops caught in the crossfire. This is not the purpose of our military. It is to defend us, not Muslims.

Iran coined the phrase Death to America. Let's take them at their word and act accordingly.
richard_223 writes: Wednesday, August, 29, 2007 12:35 PM
Bombs Away!
Oh, I forgot that one, ClintonI did bomb the Chinese embassy! And went to war in Serbia without Senate or UN approval. And ClintonII is the mean one.

A Republican in the White House in 2008 is becoming increasingly unlikely anyway, the GOP is hemmoraging voters as long as Craig stays in office.
macthemadman writes: Wednesday, August, 29, 2007 12:48 PM
It's Truly Amazing and Disgusting
That Iran could kill our personnel and that of our allies for years, and we do nothing of consequence in response, nor anything proactive. Yet we still have persons calling for caution and dialog and diplomacy and peace and love and tolerance!

You cannot reason or dialog or contain or co-opt or appease or squeeze these people. They are the enemy and are intent, in their every waking moment to seek their own ends and the end of us. They must be destroyed.

Then those who brought us to this situation must be openly criticized and ridiculed and if possible jailed for their complicity. Iran did not manage this alone, she had lots of help.
macthemadman writes: Wednesday, August, 29, 2007 12:59 PM
Oh yeah.....
Is Newsweek a credible source? Hmmmmmmmm....

Yeah, if you're an idiot that doesn't know any better.
KGK writes: Wednesday, August, 29, 2007 1:59 PM
shoot em
Though this is a dream, would it not show final US resolve that to find Syrian, Palestinian, Saudi radicals, Iranian terrorists in Iraq, we should not, not capture them. But, we should shoot 'em and then tell the terrorist govts. that this is what will happen each and every time they invade Iraq's sovereign borders! Capturing these thugs, only to let them go is self defeating.
The Mechanical Eye writes: Wednesday, August, 29, 2007 2:30 PM
So Let's Bomb Iran
So we can show the world We Mean Business.

But what then? This is one question proponents never answer with specificity. They display a remarkable lack of curiosity with what happens after they invade or bomb or otherwise "show force."

It's depressingly similar to Engels's airy vision of a "whithering away of the state" in Communist philosophy.

http://www.themechanicaleye.com

DU
NeoConScum writes: Wednesday, August, 29, 2007 4:34 PM
"Weekly Standard" Sept.3,2007 issue....

It's a MUST READ issue.ALL of it.But,especially the cover story by Naomi Emory,"The Horror...The Horror!" on the Left's total meltdown mind loss.

After reading it,one has a context for the vapid,paranoid,lies-based,mytholgical Blather
by the KosRoids above.
roho writes: Wednesday, August, 29, 2007 6:19 PM
Boban.................Thanks for the
link. I found it very intresting and informative. I stayed on it for hours.....Good Stuff!
joe_sixpack writes: Wednesday, August, 29, 2007 6:51 PM
Global
elitists like the author (and most of TH, columnists and visitors alike) do this country major harm.

Leave the Republican Party. We don't want you.

Your globalist elitist views have screwed the pooch once too many times. Again, leave my party, you're not conservative by any means, or by any standards.

In fact, you turn the stomach of actual conservatives.
NeoConScum writes: Wednesday, August, 29, 2007 8:27 PM
Apollo...Check Out The Weekly Standard..
..cover story for Sept.3,as mentioned above.It'll give you a nice view of the Looney Bin of hysterical hatred you're trying to engage with the KosRoach here.Rancid puppies.Warped.

Once I'd like to see them express ongoing white hot hatred for bin Laden and al Qaeda,as they do free people with great traditions and moral clarity.Ya know,the ones standing against Dark Age Sewage...

Pathetic. But best not to Feed them with attention.Think Narcissismm & you'll have them in your gunsights.
Tom writes: Thursday, August, 30, 2007 3:10 AM
blueinredcty wrote
"It brings me comfort to know that Hugh is not actually in charge of anything related to foreign policy. The dogma of pre-emptive war seems to be working so well right now, I can see why he is not hesitant to advocate spinning up another theatre of conflict."

Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly, I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked about such a thing. When people speak to you about a preventive war, you tell them to go and fight it.

-Dwight D. Eisenhower, 5 star General and 34th President of the United States of America.
roho writes: Thursday, August, 30, 2007 12:41 PM
Good Post Tom!..........The Memoirs
of Woodrow Wilson and the farewell speech of IKE should be required reading. Recruiting Liberal War Hawks into the GOP from the Democratic Party has turned out to be as regretable as illegal labor. Embracing a strong defense does not totaly define conservatism......It's just one part.
paddy o'furniture writes: Thursday, August, 30, 2007 12:49 PM
Ike was a joke....
All his generals thought he was an idiot....
He was a creation of the press.....
MJS writes: Sunday, September, 02, 2007 1:39 AM
I realized Barnett had "grown"...
...after this exchange I had with him a few months ago:

http://tinyurl.com/2x5rln

I questioned him for insinuating that Zionist "influences" were dictating US policy toward Iran. Total mush. Weak logic. Avoided my points. I didn't even bother responding again.

I think his notoriety and the subsequent elitist, beltway plaudits have clouded his thinking, or he simply likes the fawning-overs he gets during those DC cocktail parties. Maybe he is working on having a position with Hillary once she is (so he thinks) inevitably elected. Whatever the reason, his thinking has become hackneyed and banal.



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