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turn your neighbor in and receive rewards from the government.
Only in Obama's world would such a statement be made. One only needs to look at Obama's backers and supporters to see why this notion would even be contemplated.
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you done stole my joke....blast it!
Uh, we could give them lightning bolt pins for their collars too. |
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Sounds Like to me that Obama wants his own Brownshirts. |
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1) Will a "draft" be involved?
2) Will a civilian force get to have guns, planes, bombs, uniforms, etc.?
3) Why not simply encourage more people to join the military we already have? Or the Police?
4) Basically...huh?
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An army of "community activists" ... they would have their little books (not sure what color, red would be too obvious) full of wisdom from "THE ONE" ...
after all there will need to be someone to staff the re-education "programs/camps" that will be required for all conservative white men to help them understand and learn to control their ingrained racism and oppressive natures ...
I'm getting a big I'M SORRY button for Nov. 3rd, maybe his fans, I mean followers, I mean supporters won't lynch me for not voting for him, I mean THE ONE ...
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Present company excepted, Hugh, but young Barry Obama is living proof that any intellectual mediocrity can get into and get through America's so-called best universities. I can't begin to count how many Ivy League-educated stumblebums I've run into in my life, people with amazing academic credentials and amazingly shallow minds.
And these are the people who control most of our institutions. All I can say is Oy Vey! |
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WE have the FBI, DEA, ATF, US Marshals, Secret Service, Plus state police, Municiple police dept's. County Sheriff's throughout the U.S. Oh he wants to bring in A KGB GESTOPO police for his new empire!!!!! |
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Whew! The man's a comfort, ain't he? Visions of him and the delicate, clueless wifey romping around the White House sure does fill me with what'cha'call optimism. Luved Michelle's remark recently about that Stimulus Check of a mere $600 wouldn't buy a decent pair of ear rings. Gives me the Warm-Fuzzies.
527s REVVING UP!! Vrooom-Vroooooom-VRRROOOOMMMM!
Did you all see-hear that the 3-MSM Network Anchors are accompanying The Messiah to Iraq????
Note to Brit Hume: Where's the Love, my Bruthaaa?
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Let's step aside for 30 minutes on this thread. I'm sure brob and briggsy and kimberly and ronnie are all dying to set down their interpretation of the unfathomable wisdom their hero is proposing.
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"Socialism is inseparably interwoven with totalitarianism and the object worship of the state. It will prescribe for every one where they are to work, what they are to work at, where they may go and what they may say. Socialism is an attack on the right to breathe freely. No socialist system can be established without a political police. They would have to fall back on some form of Gestapo, no doubt very humanely directed in the first instance." - Winston Churchill |
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If you can't get Obama on this idiotic thinking, you really are losers. |
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to clarify what he meant. But I will say that the idea that Obama is going to create some kind paramilitary force styled after the Stasi is more of the same exagerration and fearmongering the right is known for! If you go to the source of this particular hit-piece ( Alex Jones' Infowars.com, you'll find all kinds of references to the "Tri-lateral commission" and the Bilderbergers and all sorts of lingo employed by the conspiratorial/tinfoil hat wearing set. Don't get sucked in righties! You're playing with the 9/11 Truth crowd, don't do it! |
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The first impression IS for a Gestapo like police force.
My second thought was that Obama wants to be able to say that he IS spending money for the nation's security while under-funding the military and diverting money to numerous pet social projects. |
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Several of us have pestered the Denver Post about its curious omission of the passage from the "full transcript" reprint. Alas, the Post has no reply as yet. I'm shocked, shocked!
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So....you don't know what BO does mean, but you do know what he doesn't mean. Remarkable.
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made sure that the "full transcript" will not be made public. Look out your window...see that black helicopter hovering overhead? Yep, it's the Obama Ministry of Truth, doing their daily surveillance on all the wingnuts! |
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I'm guessing most of you guys are Boomer conservatives who still have an almost irrational fear of the Red Menace and/or "One World Government". Look, you make yourselves look a little ridiculous with these historical appeals to the Gestapo and the Stasi on the basis of one comment! Slow down, Zen breaths, find your center. Good. |
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Why does the right wing have to continually lie to make points. I watched the video, he says we cannot continue to ONLY rely on our military to achieve the national security objectives. BIG difference. If you listen to what he say he wants to open shuttered embassies and enlarge the peace corps. His belief is that we can achieve national security objectives through diplomacy and goodwill as well as military might. Please Hugh stop this nonsense. Correct your story. He is not trying to replace the military, just use in conjunction with other means of improving national security. |
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in order. The righties here have decided that their going to go with the conspiratorial "Obama's another fascist associated with secret groups" angle. Don't try to talk sense, try to have fun! |
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for those of you who think this is just so much B.S and a right wing conspiracy I suggest you listen to the entire 24 or so minute speech in Colorado Springs, Colorado on July 2, 2008. He said it! I really think he doesn't even know what he said but he needs to spin out of this like he has spun out of everything else. This guy is a fraud and a con through and through. |
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that make him a "fraud and a con"? |
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It would have to be somekind of media device instead of a book that can receive the latest updates from The Ones since this guy changes his mind so much. Wonder what religion or ethnic group these 'soldiers' would target first. Probaby us homophobic, Bible toting, gun toting Christian Men.
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The MSM'ers are claiming that the reason they are sending "hundreds" of "journalists" to follow Obama is ONLY because he's the "new guy".
Hmmmm.........McCain has gone over there several times and has not once got MSM coverage of his trip. Well, they did cover the significant snippets. You know, when he had a slip of the tongue in sharing information (along side Lieberman), you know, the really really important part of his trip to the middle east.
Fancy that. |
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but instead of the Little Red Book it will the the "Little Red Podcast". He will brainwash all of you wingnuts and turn you into dirty hippies. Scary, isn't it? Did you check out your window? See that fly? It's actually a MOT nano-bot, courtesy of Soros Advanced Technologies to Combat Wingnuts. It's watching your every move. |
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What a clown. He's going to be pushing Mondale and McGovern for out-of-your-league blowout losses come November.
McCain can spend the rest of this summer in the Bahamas. This one's over.
McCain takes 40+ states.
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lig82 and ronnie can spin it, bake it, boil it, or do anything they want with it. When it is played to the American public, and it will be. They will be able to decide what Obamameister has in mind. I like the symbolism of Nuremburg at Mile High. What do you think he meant when he suggested a militia (force) armed and funded equal to the U.S.Military. No doubt under direct control of the executive branch. Looks like your kids WILL be learning spanish and you will keep your thermostat at the prescribed temperature. You will not criticize the leader and by the way. Elections will not longer be necessary. Do to the shortage of oil, many city dwellers will volunteer to work on collective farms. All for the good of the people and Michelle's kids. Jews will get to wear special arm bands, and the Black Panthers will have special uniforms. William Ayers will be appointed to be in charge of the civilian security militia. |
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on your thesis. I would like every conservative in here to read every word you say. You're doing some great work, let's push this idea to the limit. |
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I heard during the inauguration Obama will order a mass flag burning across the country. He will then institute Islam as the official religion. All the wealthy citizens will have all money in excess of $1 million dollars taken from them and then distributed to the poor. Michelle will officially declare her hatred of the United States and rename it New France. Jeremiah Wright will be appointed to the Supreme Court alongside William Ayers. We will then wave the white flag in Iraq and the Iraqis will take over the US. Vote MCCAIN!! |
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Good stuff! Too bad, many on the right believe all those things. Sad. |
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I don't know, but it makes more sense than the "Romney Rising" we heard every three hours out of Hugh during the Repub primaries. Remember this: Hugh Hewitt is ALWAYS wrong about all matters political. How he makes money is beyond me. It will be fun to see how long this "principled" man will last before he starts trashing the new commander in chief - the man who is leading our men an women in the fight against terrorism. We're not supposed to do that, remember? Just wait. |
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You'll smack your head when I point it out: find a Republican candidate to run as the Republican candidate! If McCain wasn't so bad, this would be a cakewalk. It isn't the media, IT'S THE REPUBLICAN PARTY!!! Even if all of the non-stop fear-mongering were justified, there is no defending having McCain as the GOP nominee. If electing Obama is THAT DANGEROUS, there can be no alternative. Dump McCain and nominate a Republican, preferably a bona fide conservative. McCain cannot and will not win. |
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"he doesn't even know he said it"
What is in the heart comes out of the mouth. If 0 didn't "know" he said it, then it is even truer to his core belief.
paddy, ana mus, erin, & all- a clarificaiton:
This DoD-sized National Defense Corps would clearly be tasked to handle the greatest modern threats: those who upset equality by individual achievement, by exercise of individual liberty, by speaking truth to academia-babble, and by opposing further government intrusion into private life, education, religion and commerce.
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ronnie you are a fool. Obama has no leadership background what so ever. If you count his being editor of the Harvard Law Review a leadership position, it is his only one. All and I mean all of his close associates are either Marxists or America haters. Name one that is not. Why do you think Obama is suggesting the need for a powerful well armed and funded civilian militia? What use would they have other than mischief? Why would they need to be equal to the military in power and funding? You cannot spin this one away and don't change the subject. Answer the question. What the f*ck do you think Obama wants with a private army? |
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Maybe he wants to head over with his militia to help out his cousin who wants to implement sharia in Kenya.
Barak Hussein Obama: no hire!
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He didn't call for a civilian militia. As I stated before Hugh either lied to you or just copy and pasted someone else's shoddy reporting. He stated we cannot continue to rely ONLY on our military. National security can be achieved in many ways other that through force, such as securing our borders, becoming energy independent , teaching other countries how great our country is (peace corps), rely less on foreign money to support our economy, improving our diplomacy, etc. Its clear his civilian national security would consist of peace corps, americorps, Social Investment fund network, Social Entrepanuer Agency, American Oppurtunity Tax Credit, Energy Corps, YouthBuild, etc. But hey taking time to listen to the actual speech would be a waste of time when Hugh can just hand you the talking points to bash the speech with. |
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Might I suggest a name for this civilian security force, equal in power, arms and funding to the U.S. Military? Security Service. SS for short. |
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we make them wear red uniforms and have a nickname for them...say...the Red Army??? |
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As someone who is not a boomer, but in his 20s, let me be the first to assure you that I too am scared silly by that comment of Obama's.
As mentioned before, we have:
- FBI
- ATF
- US Marshals
- Secret Service
- National Guard
- ICE
- State police & militias
And now he wants a new force just as powerful, strong, and as well funded as the U.S. military -- an organization that continually develops and eventually possesses the next generation of fighter planes, rifles, and body armor for the purpose of waging war against foreign enemies.
I'm sorry, but please name 1 reason why we need a civilian national force that can rival the U.S. military. Call me unimaginative, but the only conceivable reason I can see is for the establishment of a police state. |
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That's a new one. I guess at some point the leader descends to the same level as his riff-raff followers.
Barack is simply pointing out that soft power requires the same level of national commitment as hard power. Maybe expressed inarticulately, but at least he is heading in the right direction. In case you didn't notice, the Reep approach has put enormous strains on our country--our economy, our culture, and frankly, our character. And you won't get senile moments from him, like with the other guy, moments of plain stupidity, or inappropriate language, or outright befuddlement. |
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"Hugh either lied to you or just copy and pasted someone else's shoddy reporting".
What a load of bollocks.
No - Hugh linked to a freakin' video of the actual speech, the actual words coming out of BOs mouth on film....
What the hell would you call a civilian security force as powerful as the military if it's not a militia?
Definition of militia - "any army composed of citizens rather than professional soldiers".
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Ya suppose this ronnie midget is a plainer spoken morph of The Bloviator?? OMG! :-) |
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I really think the more you conspiracy weirdos come out of the word-work, the easier you make my job! |
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Marty Nesbitt. Who is that. Someone he writes about in Mein Kampf, I mean Dreams of my Father (the communist) or his first mentor, a communist? I guess you are right, one out of a long list of close associates and friend who is not a marxist, communist, domestic terrorist or convicted criminal (Rezko). Brob, you really are something. You and your ilk rib McCain when he says Chechozlovakia but when Obamameister speaks of 57 states that is just a mistake because he is tired. I didn't know someone of Obama's stature ever tired. Drugs, you know. By the way, do you think the Black Panther fist salute would be appropriate for the Security Service (SS)? |
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It already exists and it is us. We The People - or for you 20-somethings, We da'Peeps.
That's what the 2nd Amendment is all about, and why DC's gun-laws are unconstitutional and illegal.
We don't need any special uniform or a appointed weenie "Leader," nor colossal bureaucracy to develop greater and greater inefficiencies.
Let the People Carry.
The Gubbmin't doesn't have a monopoly on Power or Violence - the People are apportioned in a Just amount in their own defense.
But that's NOT what the Obamster is all about, he's an elitist (despite no leadership experience) and thinks the People don't have that Right (despite that it's clearly in the Constitution). |
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"What a load of bollocks. No - Hugh linked to a freakin' video of the actual speech, the actual words coming out of BOs mouth on film...."
Ok so you watched it did he say "We cannot rely on our military" or did he say "We cannot ONLY rely on our military"? I'd like to hear the answer because that is a BIG lie.
Also he did not say a "civilian security force" he said a civilian "national security force". National security encompasses many areas, all of which Obama went over in his speech. Are diplomatic relations important agents in our national security? Is energy independence an important aspect in our national security? Is our economic prosperity not an important aspect in our national security? |
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Ronnie, you have a job?? What is it? Minister of Propaganda? lgf82, you are the liar. Listen to what he said not what was written or do you think someone dubbed the voice. He said we need a civilian national security force funded and armed equally to the Military. His voice just said it on Hugh's radio show. You dinks are all alike. |
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I think that BO's Army will be utilized to enforce how Americans live: making sure they aren't driving SUVs, making sure they aren't eating whatever they want, and making sure their thermostats are set according to his laws.
It will take a hugh Army to enforce all the laws that the Green Liberals have in mind for America.
Scary.
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What is soft power about "that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded" as the US military?
I repeat "JUST AS POWERFUL"....that's one helluva powerful civilian militia.
And exactly who's paying for this? I guess you soak "the rich" which should put a couple of million folk out of work and boom, instant militia fodder. Just what the US needs a bunch of bitter, pissed off heavily armed people under direct government control who are too stupid to realize that the idiot that put them out of work is the same idiot that's now putting them in charge of national security. You're damn right I am scared of this prospect.
Specifics...the bane of Obama.
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First you said Obama never said what he said, now you admit what he said and are trying to make it out to be something other than what he said. Please explain, or STFU, why the national civilian security force needs to be armed funded and equally powerful as the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines? Since we have a military which is under civilian control, what use, outside of enforcing the will of the judgement of fearless leader, would such a force serve? Are you out of your mind? |
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If what you say was the case, why would they have to be armed to the equal of the military? Would they use helicopter gunships to help lift building materials? |
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Again avoiding the simple question:
"We cannot rely on our military" or did he say "We cannot ONLY rely on our military"?
Why can you not answer this simple question? I'll help you out forward the speech to the 16:47 mark
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....what I'm hearing is: he never said that....he said it, but it's not what you cons think.....and even if he did, so what?
Is that about the size of it? Will you lefty loons stay on board when he names Cat Stevens his running mate? Or will you jump to John McCain and his running mate, Fernando Valenzuela?
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Obama is cleaning house at YouTube! Speeches are gone now - guess too many people are paying attention to his real agenda. |
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but i feel compelled to comment on it. The Israeli govt., yesterday, for 2 dead Israeli soldiers, exchanged the very embodiment of Satan, himself, Samir Kuntar. In 1979, this piece of human debris, shot an innocent Jewish father, Danny Haran, in front of his daughters and wife, Kuntar took Haran's 4 year old daughter and smashed her head with his rifle butt, killing her as Haran's wife hid in a crawl space undetected with their 2 year old daughter, to keep them from being detected, she had to hold her hand over the child's mouth very tightly, and in doing so she suffocated the child. Kuntar was captured and convicted of this most heinous crime. In the 80's the Achille Lauro, a cruise ship was hijacked with the intent to free, the scumbag, Kuntar, during this attempt, Leon Klinghoffer was thrown overboard in his wheelchair. Ronald Reagan, Menachem Begin and Yitchak Shamir would NOT give in and Kuntar was not released. But, now, Israel has Olmert and he did give in and Kuntar was released to a hero's welcome in Lebanon. Kuntar saluted the masses with the nazi stiff arm, holding it high and proud as they cheered enthusiastically. Olmert, obambi, leftists, this is their definition of sitting down and talking to the enemy, this is always the result. Hezbollah, today is greatly embolden, they smell weakness, and very bad days are ahead for Israel. Leftists will always choose the cowards way. To them nothing is worth the fight, not the defense of liberty, not the lose of life, nothing. They know nothing but acquiescence and thats what you will get with, obambi. Our enemies cheering wildly over the defeat of the West. There is an old Talmudic Proverb, "those who are merciful to the cruel, are cruel to the merciful". That should be over the door of every leftists and especially over the door of "laborlawyer", the chief bleeding heart here at HH. |
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What is it we cannot only rely on our military for? We have a national guard. I think the the idea of funding a civilian force at the level we support the military which is about 400 billion a year might be hard to support taxing the rich. Maybe The Security Service (SS) would do the collecting. |
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I wonder of the source example Obama uses to model the CNSF {Civilian National Security Force}
The Black Panthers? With up-armored Hum-Vs and RPGs?
Farakan's Nation of Islam?
A National Militia?
His experience in Chicago thinking a civilian alternative to the MAN needs to go Nation wide.
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You simply CANNOT have national security if you will not defend your own borders or enforce your own laws. Foreign nationals numbering in the thousands are entering our country at will daily. John McCain has done and will do NOTHING to stop it. Don't believe me? Ask Juan Hernandez!
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Virgie, I see that would be a job for the Security Service (SS). They would secure our borders making sure citizens did not escape to Mexico or Canada. |
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What exactly would an unarmed national security force do to be "powerful, just as strong" and the military.
Seems to be invoking some romantic notion about a powerful Zeitgeist that he proposes to lead in to the new Utopia.
This is of a piece with Obama's declaration that "We are the change we have been waiting for" Obama's seems to be invoking Friedrich Nietzsche's romantic notion about Übermensch as a goal for humanity to set for itself.
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I want to more about your world. I want to know everything about it. You are the embodiment of conservative paranoia, and I'm doing a study on it. Please continue. |
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"Why can you not answer this simple question? I'll help you out forward the speech to the 16:47 mark"
Oh, I could answer the question all right...if it had any relevance to asnything. Sorry if the speed of my response has been hampered by life getting in the way of debating with an impetuouos little so and so but the burglar alarm just went off at my business and I had to go deal with the police. No civilian militia were needed thankfully.
What difference does the word "only" make to the content of the overall statement?
The problem lies in the comparison of the civilian national security force to the power, strength and funding of the military. If this "force" is going to involve itself in the economy, diplomacy and energy independence then I am all in favor of the idea of a bunch of civilian do-gooders helping out anyway they can. It's the comparison to the military that's got me questioning what the heck he means.
If, as I suspect, you are arguing about the missing word "only" from Hugh's post and not the substance of the issue then I have a different answer. STFU and grow up. Follow the link....obviously he cut and pasted it from there. The omission of that word does not change the idea proposed by BO one iota. |
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You were dead on target. Olmert is Israel's Obama. Do anything to get elected, do anything to stay in power. Why are we even considering such a step backward for our country. A man that played footsies with the weathermen, who wants to TALK with terrorists, and has no clue how to run this country. Pretends to be the poor little black child when in essence he has had the best this country can offer for decades of his life. And to thank this great country for all of this, he will happily destroy us just for more power. Just like Olmert.
You can take your comments about black helicopters and your other nonsense over to the daily KOS where you belong Ronnie!!
This guy is really bad news. and as Lennon said, you are your buddies are USEFUL IDIOTS. |
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Pardon me for asking, but do you think it would be more likely that the Gentlemen? trying to rob your business would be Obama supporters or McCain supporters?
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Border security and a middle east solution in one...move Israel to the US mexico border.
A nice long, thin country with a big river right down the middle! (Coming to an Obama speech near you any day now!!)
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idea that babakazama is useless.
In fact the salient difference between babakazama and one of those hapless dimocrat bums I see astride the offramp, dressed as a member of the family Joad and sporting a scrap of carboard reading "Will Work for Food" is that the bum, given enough malt liquor or Gallo White Port could do something somewhat usefull: mow part of the lawn, walk the dog, fertilize a neighbor's yard.
The only thing babakazma can do is spout platitudes and reach deep, deep, deep into my pocket and give my hard earned duckets to a bunch of bums who aren't honest enough to stand on the freeway off-ramp.
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i don't anyone including hewitt went and read the whole speech.
he spent a majority of the speech discussing how the youth and elderly would be asked to participate in volunteering their time like americorps.
that is what he is talking about.
i hear on talk radio that he said well-armed which is a lie.
he cited the fdr and jfk ideas of voluntary service.
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My world is based upon the concept of liberty. Something you execise yet want to take away from others. Obama thinks he knows what is best for us. Based upon his intellect. I think a man named A. Hitler professed the same theory. With socialism must come control. I am not paranoid, that was an album by Black Sabbath. You, ronnie are a troll. You are either not very bright or you are in league with those who would take away may freedom in the name of equality. Equality is not a guarantee in our Consitution. Whereas a certain amount of freedom from government interference is guaranteed. Obama cares not for the document. His background is negative toward this nation, inspite of the fabrications spewing forth from his lying mouth. He is an empty suit. What part of that is it you can not grasp? |
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just in time to make the "dual fools" look intelligent. I'm sure ronnie, that they thank you. You really DO have a lot on the ball, don't you, and you have become such an important part of our little discussion in so short a time. Did it take long to come up with that clever handle? Who's picture do you have on your wall, daddy Fidel or possibly uncle Hugo, hey maybe both, who can tell, but that would mean you fit right in with the rest of the leftist riff raff here at HH cause' those 2 are tip top in their books. You see ronnie, liberty is a four letter word to them, and that makes them and you, soulmates with daddy Fidel and uncle Hugo! Viva Che!!! |
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after saying he wants to expand the military he says this
Just as we must value and encourage military service across our society, we must honor and expand other opportunities to serve. Because the future of our nation depends on the soldier at Fort Carson, but it also depends on the teacher in East LA, the nurse in Appalachia, the after-school worker in New Orleans, the Peace Corps volunteer in Africa, and the Foreign Service officer in Indonesia. Americans have shown that they want to step up. But we're not keeping pace with the demand of those who want to serve, or leveraging that commitment to meet national challenges. FDR not only enlisted Americans to create employment, he targeted that service to build our infrastructure and conserve our environment. JFK not only called on a new generation, he made their service a bridge to the developing world, and a bright light of American values in the darkest days of the Cold War.
As President, I will expand AmeriCorps to 250,000 slots, and make that increased service a vehicle to meet national goals like providing health care and education, saving our planet and restoring our standing in the world, so that citizens see their efforts connected to a common purpose. People of all ages, stations, and skills will be asked to serve. Because when it comes to the challenges we face, the American people are not the problem - they are the answer.
We'll send more college graduates to teach and mentor our young people. We'll call on Americans to join an Energy Corps to conduct renewable energy and environmental cleanup projects in their neighborhoods. We'll enlist veterans to help other vets find jobs and support, and to be there for our military families. And we'll also grow our Foreign Service, open consulates that have been shuttered, and double the size of the Peace Corps by 2011 to renew our diplomacy.
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Dumbo the Idiot said this?
"We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."
ronnie and brob- you can try to spin this any way you want, but "a civilian national security force" does not denote a perky but "kick a**" bunch of civilian works laborers- it just don't. Those two words "security force" kind of give the game away.
Also, he wants it to be "just as powerful, just as strong, and just as well funded" as our military.
Interesting. A "national security force" as powerful, strong, and funded as our military- by his words mind you.
ronnie - How again is it we're being "paranoid"? After all, according to Dumbo the Idiot, "words MEAN something!" I take him at his word- he wants to create an alternative security force to what is currently in place.
Also - he doesn't mention under whose authority this force would be under- is this to be some sort of Republican Guard?
He also doesn't mention how it would be funded, only that it would be as well funded as our military- funny, you and all the other lefty dingbats have been squeaking for months about what a hideous waste of money our military is- why are you okay with doubling that expenditure suddenly? What about THE CHILDREN?
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i don't think one person on this blog including hewitt, actually read the entire speech to give it some context.
so all of you are against volunteering to serve your country outside of the military?
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Josef Stalin had one - It turned into the KGB.
Adolf Hitler had his version too - Hitler Youth and the Gestapo.
Nope, not for me and if you are smart it won't be for you either.
Barack Obama reminds me of a Black Mamba and it don't even rattle.
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"he spent a majority of the speech discussing how the youth and elderly would be asked to participate in volunteering their time like americorps."
Volunteering their time??? And yet we are going to fund to the same level as the military, which, if you believe some is already set to consume about 54% of government spending in fiscal '09.
Add into that some other huge growths in government spending (wait until you get the bill for your "universal" health care) and you've probably just, at a minimum, doubled goverment overnight. Yikes!!
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See, the more venom and filth you spew about Nazis and Gestapo and Stalin, the less ANYONE is going to take you seriously. You take one unclarified comment by Obama, and turn it around to suggest that he's a goose stepping Nazi who wants to form his own Schutzen Staffel. I mean, how can anyone that kind paranoid conspiracy fantasy seriously? I know you guys don't like Obama, and you may have good reasons not to. I'm just saying, you're losing the argument here and I think you know it. |
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"Maybe expressed inarticulately, but at least he is heading in the right direction."
That is the opening line of a Jacobin.
The problem here is that we as a country have a rich written history of Robespierre and his jackbooted, hobnail offspring but the liberal intelligentsia and its political spawn cannot and will not recognize their procreators.
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Of course... we have nothing to worry about. Just think how well funded, strong and powerful our military is going to be after a couple of terms of the Glorious Obama. After he's finished we'll be lucky to have a military. Imagine it...SecDef J.Kerry. |
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more guillotines! Vive le New France! Freedome Pommes Frites for everyone! |
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....as the champion spinner of the evening.
I have always been in favor of some sort of service people could join outside the military to serve their country.
But Obama is calling this a "Civilian National Security Force." He says just a powerful, just as strong and just as well-funded as the military.
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now you have a valid point that can be debated.
we can debate the finances involved.
for example, americorps is volunteer, but they get paid a small stipend and are given housing.
that is the gist of it.
like i said the money aspect is open to discussion but this comparison to some kind of nazi ss is simply way over the top and intellectually dishonest. |
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"See, the more venom and filth you spew about Nazis and Gestapo and Stalin, the less ANYONE is going to take you seriously."
The vacuum that is your historical perspective is embarrassing. No one is taking you seriously here. You remind folks of Kennedy and Lindberg. |
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i gave you the context if you bothered to read it.
you guys are the ones spinning because of what he calls it.
no matter what he calls it, he is calling for service to the country.
and yea it has to be funded like americorps is funded.
what a terrible idea that is.
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"Looks like we'll need
more guillotines! Vive le New France! Freedome Pommes Frites for everyone!"
Just my point...you know nothing of the seminal event in Western History.
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Bravo Sir!
Hard to explain history to those who believe it started at their earliest memories. You see, they've evolved, and are far beyond those provincial mistakes of the past. You'll see, just you wait!
Myopic, narcissistic Liberal idealism laying the paving stones on the road to ruin. |
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The seminal event in Western history is the creation of the US of A. |
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We start with BO telling us that Americans are just lining up to serve their country and we're just not letting them 'cause we're big bad meanies....
BO: "Americans have shown that they want to step up. But we're not keeping pace with the demand of those who want to serve, or leveraging that commitment to meet national challenges."
Then a couple of lines later...
BO: "People of all ages, stations, and skills will be ASKED to serve."
Hey...but I thought they were lining up to serve...oh, we're just being polite by "asking" them. I see. And then....
BO: "We'll SEND more college graduates to teach and mentor our young people."
So, I guess the college kids aren't getting a say.
And then...
BO: "We'll CALL on Americans to join an Energy Corps to conduct renewable energy and environmental cleanup projects in their neighborhoods."
Yeah, "call" away. Don't be surprised if the response involves the words up, shut, now, and drill. though.
Next up, the vets...
BO: "We'll ENLIST veterans to help other vets find jobs and support, and to be there for our military families"
All for it. Nice use of the "enlist" word...they are military folk, geddit, sheep? Bleat once for yes. Oh, clever Obama.
And finally...
BO: "And we'll also grow our Foreign Service, open consulates that have been shuttered, and double the size of the Peace Corps by 2011 to renew our diplomacy."
All right - go to http://www.usembassy.gov and tell me where all these shuttered consulates are. Looks like we have most of the planet pretty well served, I'd say. I can just see the official Code Pink/Peace Corps mission to Tehran. That'll have the mullahs quaking in their turbans! |
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“To say nothing, especially when speaking, is half the art of diplomacy.” (Will Durant)
Obamas gonna make one helluva diplomat, I reckon!
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I think he had the French Revolution in mind. |
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well you can parce words like bill clinton to achieve your dishonest intrepretation, but common sense tells you that he is calling for volunteers.
second, not only is the third ranking state department diplomat meeting face to fact with the iranians as we speak but the bush administration is assigning diplomats to be stationed in tehran.
LONDON (Reuters) - The United States will announce in the next month that it plans to establish a diplomatic presence in Tehran for the first time in 30 years, a British newspaper said on Thursday.
In a front-page report, the Guardian said Washington would open a U.S. interests section in the Iranian capital, halfway towards opening an embassy.
The unsourced report by the newspaper's Washington correspondent said: "The Guardian has learned that an announcement will be made in the next month to establish a U.S. interests section in Tehran, a halfway house to setting up a full embassy.
"The move will see US diplomats stationed in the country."
Senior U.S. diplomat William Burns said in testimony to Congress last week the United States was looking to opening up an interest section in Tehran but had not made a decision yet.
The Guardian said the development was "a remarkable turnaround in policy by President George Bush who has pursued a hawkish approach to Iran throughout his time in office."
Washington said on Wednesday it was sending Burns to join atomic talks with Iran this weekend to signal to Tehran and others that Washington wanted a diplomatic solution to their nuclear impasse.
bush is moving closer to the obama position now isn't he.
he is (gasp) talking to the iranians.
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Hugh:
I wonder, the Messiah seems to be parroting the discussion Thomas PM Barnett put forth in his books about a "civilian" force that is skilled for those type of security applications. Its just as usual the Messiah does not get it totally correct, as if he only has read excepts of Thomas' books and not the full contextual application. I seem to remember hints by Thomas that he may have met with the Messiah in 07??
Possible that this is the messed up discussion again as other items not fully formed and clearly without full context??
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I work for the Public School District in the Chicago area. Asking 50 hours of volunteer work per year would be asking too much from our kids including the parents. They will say its unconstitutional if Obama's plan goes into force.
We have a constitutional crisis when we ask the young people to pull up their "hang off your butt" pants. Parents get all upset if we require kids not to use the calculators when they're doing the multiplication problems.
If Obama does becomes President children will have to obey The One. It would be interesting to see how fast it fails because of lack of cooperation.
But what Obama is suggesting sounds like the Communist Young Pioneers to me....early forms of brainwashing.
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What he did not say is that FIRST he'll gut the military and make it LOOK like the Peace Corp. From there its a snap: "Just as powerful; Just as well-funded". |
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Make no mistake, this is what the far left fringe now running the DEM party would LIKE to see in this country, scores of young people running around "helping" the masses but also ensuring that the party line is strictly adhered to. Anybody else see tinges of Farenheit 411 in this? |
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Before the CIA was the Office of Strategic Services or OSS. We can now have another OSS - The Obama SS.
There is already a patch designed that we all can wear:
http://www.german-helmets.com/SS-LAH_MAIN.htm
So instead of clinging to our guns and religion, he wants us to turn our attention and adulation to the great one - Obama
The only way to pay for these programs will be to raise taxes and gut the military, both of these are high on his list.
Massachusetts, NY, Illinois, California and a few others - that is all he will get. He may get the majority of the 7 new states he created because McCain has chosen not to visit them/can't find them.
We like our guns, our religion and our military - we are as proud of America now as we were in the 1980's. |
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1. no decision has been made re: embassy in Tehran
2. Burns is not going to Switzerland to talk to the Iranians, he's going to sit in on and listen to the negotiations with the Euros....big difference.
Thanks for calling me a liar yet again. Do you libs know no other way than to throw out such terms. I thought you were going to be a more reasonable lib but oh no, straight out with the accusations of lying.
Re" "common sense tells you..." - I'd much rather Barack Obama told me rather than everyone having to put their own interpretatioon on his vague statements. As I said earler the problem lies in your candidates inability to express himself clearly. If it takes this much debate over one or two sentences then either he's not clear or (more likely) he is being deliberatley obscure to hide his true intention. The man is fundementally dishonest and you ought to be directing your charges of lying in that direction. |
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And neither is his plan to create an American Gestapo/KGB organization... |
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and Louis Farrakhan be invovled with this citizen security force?
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Spin shuck jive and doubletalk all you like, but he said what he said.
You write:
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i don't think one person on this blog including hewitt, actually read the entire speech to give it some context."
There is no context needed- Dumbo the idiot said he wanted "a national SECURITY force" as strong and well funded as our military. There is no context in which this is an acceptable plan.
"so all of you are against volunteering to serve your country outside of the military?"
Nice try at the guilt tripping, but it ain't germane to this discussion- dumbo wants a security force, and we don't like it.
"i am appalled at the lack of intellectual honesty on this issue."
And I am astounded at the transparency of your attempts to defend an indefensibly dumb and dangerous statement from b.hussein.
And lay off the honesty chat here, sport- you've been trying to lie obama out of this one for the last 2/3 of this thread.
"..common sense tells you that he is calling for volunteers."
Yes, volunteers to serve in a national security force created in order to help "achieve national security objectives". Oddly silent on what said objectives would be, was your man dumbo.
"second, not only is the third ranking state department diplomat meeting face to fact with the iranians as we speak but the bush administration is assigning diplomats to be stationed in tehran."
Uh.....okay. Relevance please? The discussion is dumbo the idiot advocating for a well funded security force as strong as our existing military-not Iran.
Hey, howzabout next time you throw your arms in the air and yell "kowabunga, I'm a flower!!" three times real loud- it'll be as relevant as this jabber about Iran, and it might even be entertaining, unlike the rest of the drooly nonsense you've been throwing up on the board.
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The Gestapo weren't "the Brown Shirts", Boyo. That was the S.A. As a Nefarious Neoconservative, I know these things. |
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Well fielded there, Hombre.
John McCain's paid 'men of genius' had better get off their collective arses and start tuning up KID Hope.
This neophyte empty suit should be a tomato can for McCain. Instead, McCain's people allow him to get slapped around like Butterfly McQueen.
Obama's call for a Great Patriotic National Police Force should have been the boot in the rump as he boards the Jumbo Jet for his World Tour. Instead, Olbermann and Mac Maddow are allowed to sully his wife, his daughter, his record, his integrity, and his Honor with impunity.
McCain needs to fire some suits and hire some political pit-bulls who will allow McCain to be himself.
Take these punks to task and make Obama wish that he remained on Billy Ayers' payroll at the Annenberg Challenge. Obama is no Billy Conn. |
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This Nitwit Kid makes me more comfortable with voting for Johnny Little with each passing day. Or, should I say, with each passing idiotic promise of intent?
My opinion of McJuan's seeming comatose lack of responses to the now almost Daily Obama Drival seem to bounce back & forth between: "JOHN! Wake the F*** Up and smack down this Twit!" ...to... "That's it, John! Stay under the treeline until late Fall. Let the slickster keep on flap jawing and letting America see what's behind the curtain. NO response is needed. AND, it cuts down on the chances of YOU stepping in it!"
By nature, I tend toward the former...And, to think, months ago I was worried that Johnny's temper would be a stumbling block. Apparently he only unleashes it on Repubs. |
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Some of Juanito's Fire-in-the-Belly seems astonishingly absent.
It's past time, I think, for a well publisized trip to Anchorage and a meeting with the Beautiful Sarah Palin...followed by a Road to Damascus, out-of-suit-experience on ANWR. Followed by announcing Sarah as his Veep Candidate and a quick Press Filled flight over parts of ANWR. Say, just about the time that Bazama is in the air headed for his Triumphal Tour of Iraq!
But, hey, he'd have to blast out of the coma to do that stuff! :-) |
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Brob writes: "If Obama is the new Hitler."
Brob, Obama IS NOT a new Hitler by any means. Hitler just tapped into German Romanticism embodied in Zeitgeist and Übermensch and turned it to his own evil designs.
Obama seem enamored of romantic notions of remaking society like Nietzsche and other romantics and later Pres. Woodrow Wilson, H.G. Wells, Walter Lipman, Harold Ickes,et. al. The problem is the romanticism of progressive movement when frustrated by ineffectiveness often give way to more and more direction by central government.
The aims of progressivism are noble, but the means increasing rely on government edits, erosion of liberties and real economic progress. |
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Roman Emperor's surrounded themselves with an elite personal cohort. Hitler had his S/S Liebstendarte
(Body Guard)regiment(cream of Waffen S/S).Perhaps Obama imagines a USA/SA/SS FreiKorps led(Rosa Klebb-SMERSH/13th Directorate style)by his lovely harridan Michelle...that can swear personal allegiance to him?
Is there no end to this silly boy-man's fantasies? "DREAMS of MY WHAT ???)"is this Orwellian Pol's MEIN KAMPF...as DER UBERBRObama.Maybe he can start a dynasty too~Thus Spake Obama!Nicht wahr Herr BHO & Der Guten(Demo Cong~ Herren Pee & Ree)Leute who worship you?
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as a Democrat who has long backed McCain, I am stupified by the lack of the stuff Jesse Jackson wants to cut off in McCain's Camp.
No 19th Ward Chicago Democrat would allow the kind of daily abuse and scorn heaped upon a genuine Patriot and public servant like McCain, without kicking a few Chicklettes out of Tubby Olbermann's gums.
Obama's cloth is as thin as fifty year old TV starlette and his intellectual depth matches Andy Dick's.
Allowing a foam boned cupcake to go this many rounds with an experienced boxer speaks volumes about the abilities of his corner-men.
Lighten the load of suits around you, John McCain!
Spit in the bucket, put up your dukes and put this bum on the canvass! |
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Jerry writes: "Think: "Peace Corp"
No Think Vista Americorps. These are the original community activists.
I saw Vista work first hand on the Navajo Reservation. Most of the Vista workers were well meaning, but every one of them were ineffective. They no idea what they needed to do and spent more time philosophizing than going much good. Nice people all of them, but they were living the existential life of Albert Camus' "The Stranger"
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McCain would signal a great bolt of energy through his noodle-of a campaign with naming Gov. Palin.
He would lock-up the Catholic vote as well as energize the Evangelicals.
The Illinois Republican Party make the Greens look dynamic.
McCain needs us disaffected Democrats:
1. Stay tough on the War
2. Drill, Drill, Drill while finding better sources energy
3. School Choice
4. Anti-Abortion
5. Welcome Civil Unions for Gay Americans and oppose gay marriage
6. Punch Back when slapped
7. Kick the bums to the curb
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Woodrow Wilson had over 100,000 Americans arrested and jailed for thought crimes. He was assisted in this work by the American Protective League -- a 250,000-man strong, largely oversight-free, federally-empowered, political thug force.
Obama's civilian national security force idea, undefined though it is, manages to give off an odor a lot like Wilson's American Protective League.
ronnie, lgf82, et al. all need to crack a book once in a while and see what the policies they support have wrought in the past.
Hugh keeps saying that Obama is the most radical major candidate ever. Maybe Obama really will be worse than Wilson.
With so many folks willfully embracing their inner stupid, we might have the misfortune of finding out. |
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AND, she's Drop Dead Gorgeous! Hey, when mixed with brains, toughness and talent, that whole DDG thing is really a plus! Many of the ladies of Clintonville are still p!ssed outta their minds.
Pat, I'm a lifelong(registered)Democrat who only re-registered Repub whrn we moved from L.A. to Central Florida 2-years ago. But, I was 'mugged by reality' 1978-1982 and haven't voted for the Sandinista luvin' Twits since. I was for Rudy..then Mitt...now Johnny Little. I'd work up true enthusiasm if he'd pick Sarah--DDG!
Gotta Run to do *VIGFM.
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Palin is the gov of a small state (700,000) and has only been at it a short while. She's nearly a complete unknown quantity, and has no national experience. This is too much identity politics for me. If she were a he, no story.
Besides that, she's the new mum of a baby boy with DS. There's only one lady in the world that can be his mom, but there are plenty of veeps out there. A national campaign such as we have today will make it impossible for her to do both jobs.
From my own experience, I know very well what it takes to make sure this little guy stays on track developmentally, and there's no way under heaven she can do both. Sure, dad is there, but it takes everything a family has and more - and the early years seem to be the most critical.
If she becomes VP, I will not have much respect for her and I'll feel sorry for her little one. Nannies are not going to cut it. |
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The Obamessiah wants everyone to become a true employee of the state. All of those slackers in the private sector need to wake up and realize that Big Brother demands your service. Of course, a nice army of brownshirts would come in quite handy for the kicking down of doors when the reformed Marxist Supreme Court puts the question of the 2nd amendment right and finally overturns it! This is the scariest SOB I can ever remember in American politics--at least with an actual chance of winning the White House!! Anyone not armed had better correct the situation. |
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God bless the work. McCain has a goldmine in Disaffected Democrats and Sarah Palin is some fine looking trim! My late sainted wife Mary would clout me roundly for my overt sexism - he'll I'm widowed Sweetie; I ain't dead.
Me and two of the three kids are voting for Johnny Mac as are most of my neighbors.
We vote Democratic in the precincts and Ward and with good sense in the voting booth on State and National races.
I like Mitt - too ruggedly handsome for my tastes - McCain is a lumpy throw rug with good sense and fortune to marry above or looks and inclinations -like most of us. Mitt would be OK, But Palin would seal the deal. |
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Do you have any feelings about how her new baby will affect her ability to campaign, or more importantly, how her job as VP will affect her baby?
I never see any Palin supporters address either question. Or her inexperience, for that matter. For most people her being a good-looking conservative female governor is enough.
There just isn't enough substance there for me, and how she will fare in a national campaign is a complete unknown. Too risky. |
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I'm no Obama fan, but after listening to the speech, it seems to me Obama is not talking about some domestic security force. He thinks the Peace Corp IS a national security force. This goes along with his idea that he could talk all the terrorists out of attacking us. He's convinced that despite evidence to the contrary, the terrorists are all poor and uneducated, so if America just did away with global poverty and ignorance there would be world peace (and no doubt the oceans would subside as well). This is not a diabolical plan to control the opposition at home unless you count the confiscatory taxes that would be required to fund this pipe dream. |
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The root cause of everyone's problem is always money. Give people money and all the world's problems will go away. Evenly distribute wealth and nobody's unhappy anymore.
Uh, yeah, communism's sure proved that right.
So the reason that our 40+ year investment in Peace Corps hasn't yielded world peace is that we haven't given enough? Nonsense. We've given more charity than any nation on earth and people are still discontent with us. In fact, the ones who chant 'death to America' have been nothing but takers. They give nothing back to the world yet they hate the ones who do. They hate because of their cultural self-absorption and greed. No amount of money is going to cure those problems. Money will fuel their cultural self-absorpton. Lack of money will fuel greed. It's a no win proposition. |
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He matched this "WTF" today with "from the bomb that fell on Pearl Harbor" while emoting on our national security. If only it was just one bomb, WWII vets would probably say. Or as Bluto would say:
"Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?"
"The Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?"
"Forget it, he's rolling."
Seems the MSM is taking the Animal House approach to Obama's words of wisdom. |
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"If Obama is the new Hitler
and he s creating a Geheimstapolitzei, with little Brownshirts running around . . .
will THAT get you cons to leave the US?"
Credit where credit is due: That's funny!
But the answer is, "NO!" Conservatives are the ones who are going to save freedom from the growing audacity of liberal fascism.
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Cosnervatives are not likely to abandon their country in its time of need. |
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you may be right, but why does Obama leave everyone to guess what he means. If his biggest problem is that he is vaporous and vague, why does he explain himself instead of making everyone guess at what he is talking about. |
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Kid Hope is The Quicksilver Messenger of Audacity!
'I can no more distannce myself from him than I can my own grandmother . . .' Toss - Bus! End of 'Distraction!'
Obama is an ambitious empty suit with a well greased propaganda machine. Nice enough young chap - No Hat; No Cattle; No Message; No Plan; No Original Thought; No Nothing.
Just oodles and oodles of Hope!
http://hickeysite.blogspot.com/2008/07/john-mccain-obama-ca lls-for-civilian.html |
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Let's wrap this one up, shall we? |
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Barack Obama, require you to work, he is going to DEMAND that you shed your CYNICISM, that you come out of your isolation. Barack will never ALLOW you to go back to your lives as USUAL, uninvolved, uninformed.
Hmmm. ininvolveded?
Thus, all shall be community organizers, following the courages lifestyle of our great Obama leader. |
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Typical liberal.. seeking to censor that which condemns his views. No let's not 'wrap this up'. Unless you're referring the the fishwrap/garbage can that Obama's candidacy deserves. |
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continue! It's just that I think we've established that there really is no limit to the paranoid conspiracy theories harbored by the wingnut set. It's been verified, we all know that you guys get near apoplectic whenever the subject of Obama comes up. I'm just sayin' maybe we should move on to different subjects and stuff. But if you would like to discuss some more stuff on Nazis and Fascists and Trilateral Commissions and Bilderbergers and UFO's, I'm all ears! Let's keep this train goin'! |
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less time and know-how than governor of the Largest Landmass State in the Union. Home of Vast Oil Resources, etc. So, I'd advise disliking her for that job, as well.
Afraid that last sentence is too glib of a response to your well & understandably stated concerns, PC. Hell, I'll never REALLY know what makes any politician of the High Value Type run for office. But, this Girl is Very Special. So, the Downs baby will be well and wonderfully seen to, I've no doubt. As are the other Palin kids.
Bobby Jindal, in Louisiana, is a hugely impressive up-and-comer, as well. He's kicking corrupt, entrenched Dem-Machine Butt all over the state. I suspect we'll see him as President in a few years. But, he just started the job. |
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said a dazzling and mind numbing thing early this week. About the Stimulus Checks she sneered that the $600 wouldn't "buy a decent pair of ear rings." Which planet do these two clueless-elitist-boobs inhabit?!
Shameful. The MSMs, naturally, let the remark fall beneath the treeline in no elapsed time at all. Imagine, for a moment, if Mrs.McCain had said something that wretched! Howls from here to Tarnation and back. Promise.
Brandenberg Gate Campaign speech????? Everybody is cordially invited to read Krauthammer's WaPost piece today on these Twits. Priceless! |
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Now I have one question to ask about Obammy's idea of a citizen militia. How the hell can he advocate that idea and still maintain that military contractors should be peeling potatoes and catering mess to the troops. That the military contractors are somehow hindering our military's efficiency and standing? I see a scurvy politician's double talk in effect here now don't you all? |
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These folks don't want no stinkin' context. It's so clear what Obama meant- basically, he's talking about noncontroversial programs like the Peace Corps and Americacorps which were wildly popular under Kennedy and Clinton- but remember the game here is to make Obama into some kind of wild-eyed radical. Otherwise the election is a blowout.
Look at how this blog tried to whip up this phony issue today while ignoring the REAL story today- Malicki basically endorsing Obama's plan. Maliki the "surrender monkey"? LOL! That sound you hear is the door slamming on the McCain campaign. |
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laborlawyer writes: Sunday, July, 20, 2008 2:08 AM
christianlib
These folks don't want no stinkin' context. It's so clear what Obama meant- basically, he's talking about noncontroversial programs like the Peace Corps and Americacorps which were wildly popular under Kennedy and Clinton- but remember the game here is to make Obama into some kind of wild-eyed radical. Otherwise the election is a blowout.
Look at how this blog tried to whip up this phony issue today while ignoring the REAL story today- Malicki basically endorsing Obama's plan. Maliki the "surrender monkey"? LOL! That sound you hear is the door slamming on the McCain campaign.
Arch says"
You ninny sucking libtard! Facts don't even phase your mind in the least. It has always been said by the Bush adm. that when the government of Iraq deems it appropriate for us to leave then we will. Nothing new about that. Obammy the moron has only reiterated Bush's policy from years ago. Damn you are dense libtard! |
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Hugh said that the spinning would be intense over this thread and you have made him right, labor man. Congratulations on jerking to Hugh's strings |
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It doesn't matter what Hugh says. He is the spinner to end all spinners. That is his profession--spinning. You guys aren't in control. That's the bottom line. You were running things. You failed miserably. You aren't serious people. And now America is just biding time until the grown-ups take over. All Hugh's posturing about this Barack gaffe or that Barack blunder may play with the corporate media and the inside-the-beltway crowd, but it is the likes of Hugh--not the likes of Barack--who is widely discredited. And no amount of spin can fix that.. |
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ate Media' types that are mythologically under the sway of Johnny Little McCain??!!
BWHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!
Sorry, just a belly-laugh moment there, for the Feeeeeelings Fed Doofishness that can come up with such swill. Those "corporate" puppets have their Obama Hymn Singing Anchors on the plane with The Messiah. Well, with the exception of the Evil Brit Hume of the Nefarious Fox News Network.
BWHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!! |
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Speaking of belly laughs, I see you're still affecting that pseudo-hip literary style.
For those of you who DON'T have your head up your keister: the corporate media serves the Reeps in several important respects. First, tabloid journalism always benefits the right--or anyone who panders to the lesser angels of our nature. Second, although most teevee reporters are socially liberal, they are fiscally conservative. Unlike the press, say, in Truman's era, television reporters are high income folks who appreciate the Reep stance on taxes. Third, despite the personal liberalism of journalists, the final product reaching the viewer is something else again. Not only do "liberal" reporters bend over to check their own impulses, what reaches the public is filtered beyond this "Ben Dover" process. Fourth, journalistic neutrality is confused with journalistic objectivity. Media-types think there are two--and only two--sides to the issue. Given that right-wingism is the plurality opinion in our fragmented and decentralized body politic, guess who gets over-represented?! They number about one in three, but they get half the air-time. Fifth, a "non-conservative" media is not an "anti-conservative" media. Sixth, in the end, corporate political machines like GE and Fox and Disney will work with Dems, but they prefer Reeps.
This phony nonsense about a "liberal media" has been false for 25 years. Goldwater may have been its victim, but none of you clowns ever were. You have been a beneficiary of a lazy, cowardly, tabloidesque, craven, power-worshiping media. It is a joke, a joke compounded by all your blubbering and whining over the past decades. As for us, we know the media is in the tank, but we're gonna win this thing anyhow. |
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The anchors accompanying Barack on the foreign trip is taken as an example of the liberal bias. After all, McCain didn't have the big hitters accompany him on his foreign trip. But in fact, if their tone is snide and critical, all the added coverage does is amp up the snide criticism. It does not prove a frigging liberal bias. Quite the contrary.
So in the final analysis, it doesn't matter that the notion of a right-wing orientation to the American media is completely counter-intuitive to the way you guys look at things. There are a lot of truths that are counterintuitive. Another one is that it is the Reeps--not the liberals--who are operating these days at the emotional level, on the level of "feeeeeelings". They have no other moral compass, and the floundering invective they hurl in these parts is proof of that. |
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Even the Liberal-Leftoid MSM doesn't deny their "slant". You and handful of Nutters at kos are the ONLY loonies trying to sell that swill.
If it flies, quacks, has webbed feet, waddles, mallard feathers and Beady Little Concupisant Eyes like a Freaking Duck...What IS it in Blovie World??
Well, it's freakin' Reep Gator, of course. |
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What the hell is BWHAAAAAAAAAAAA supposed to mean?! That you're an idiot or something?!
Just because you know what a duck is doesn't mean you know which way the wind blows. Your "argument" reduces to this: "I have never looked at it that way, therefore it must not be true."
As someone who believes in rational clarity, and not mere emotional self-insistence, let me help you: the media is not a Reep Gator. It is not Dem or Reep per se. But it serves the Reeps much more than it serves the Dems. If you can't see that, tough. There are more interesting things in this old world than Neocon's subjectivism. |
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Patriotic Liberal writes: Sunday, July, 20, 2008 1:39 PM
Arch
It doesn't matter what Hugh says. He is the spinner to end all spinners. That is his profession--spinning. You guys aren't in control. That's the bottom line. You were running things. You failed miserably. You aren't serious people. And now America is just biding time until the grown-ups take over. All Hugh's posturing about this Barack gaffe or that Barack blunder may play with the corporate media and the inside-the-beltway crowd, but it is the likes of Hugh--not the likes of Barack--who is widely discredited. And no amount of spin can fix that..
Arch says"
Pl. You have stepped right into Hugh's trap and are doing just what he claimed you libtards would. You are spinning out of control and you know it! Re read the very last thing on his post header and you have done it. Congratulations my friend! |
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Like shootin' Ducks in a barrel.
Snicker. :-) |
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Traveling abroad, AMERICAN FLAG, disappeared from Obama's luxurious campaign jet!?
And, in Iraq, Obama DID NOT, discuss U.S. troop withdrawal, according to Official Iraqi Government Spokesman, Ali al-Dabbagh, as Obama does not have any official (government) capacity! |
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you go again, Girl. Luvin' it! |
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NeoConScum writes: Monday, July, 21, 2008 10:19 AM
Arch...
Like shootin' Ducks in a barrel.
Snicker. :-)
Arch says:
Yep Neo. Like cookin with crisco. The object gets fried and leaves no messy residue. |
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