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Saturday, December 08, 2007
Two Hits On Huck
Posted by: Hugh Hewitt at 1:50 PM
From the AP: "Huckabee wanted to isolate AIDS patients"

From the Los Angeles Times"Parole Officials: Huckabee pushed rapist's release."

Even if the Newsweek poll noted below is close to accurate (and Dan Riehl among others has big questions), both of these stories are significant momentum killers as they display a general election vulnerability that makes it almost impossible to imagine an already improbable victory by Huckabee over either Senator Clinton or Obama.  I expect Huckabee will have to address both stories asap and in detail.

Key graphs from the AP story:



As a candidate for a U.S. Senate seat in 1992, Huckabee answered 229 questions submitted to him by The Associated Press. Besides a quarantine, Huckabee suggested that Hollywood celebrities fund AIDS research from their own pockets, rather than federal health agencies.

"If the federal government is truly serious about doing something with the AIDS virus, we need to take steps that would isolate the carriers of this plague," Huckabee wrote.

"It is difficult to understand the public policy towards AIDS. It is the first time in the history of civilization in which the carriers of a genuine plague have not been isolated from the general population, and in which this deadly disease for which there is no cure is being treated as a civil rights issue instead of the true health crisis it represents."

The AP submitted the questionnaire to both candidates; only Huckabee responded. Incumbent Sen. Dale Bumpers won his four term; Huckabee was elected lieutenant governor the next year and became governor in 1996.

When asked about AIDS research in 1992, Huckabee complained that AIDS research received an unfair share of federal dollars when compared to cancer, diabetes and heart disease.



Key graphs from the Times story on the release of Wayne DuMond:

Three board members recalled it differently. They said Huckabee raised the issue of DuMond's release, asking to discuss the matter with them in a closed session. They said his religious beliefs, and the influence of the evangelical community from which he came, drove him.

"We felt pressured by him," said board member Ermer Pondexter. "I felt compelled to do it. . . . It was a favor for the governor."

Looking back, she added, "I regret it."

Parole board member Deborah Springer Suttlar said Huckabee did not mince his feelings about DuMond: "He wanted him out."

A committee of board members voted to parole DuMond. It took the action just before the deadline by which Huckabee would have had to decide what assistance, if any, he would grant to an inmate whom he had already said he wanted to help.

"He thought DuMond just grew up on the wrong side of the tracks, that he may have gotten a raw deal and a longer sentence than others under similar circumstances," recalled board member Charles Chastain, who said he was the lone dissenter in a 4-1 committee vote to grant parole.


 

The transcript of my conversation with Governor Huckabee about Wayne DuMond is here.

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Ken writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 2:08 PM
Hmmm
I find it surprising that the press is going after him. My expectations are that they want to see him get the nod, as he will be the easiest to beat by Hillary/Obama as compared to Giuliani/Romney.
Ted writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 2:09 PM
Huck Needs to be Brought Down Quick
At this moment, Huckabee is the SINGLE BIGGEST THREAT TO THE FUTURE OF THIS NATION. Here's why:

He is the ONE major GOP candidate who would lose all swing states to the Dems, turning this nation over to the Dems.

A candidacy based on evangelical right is clever move to get a built-in base of machinery for the primary in Iowa & Mich (to endeavor to out-maneuver Mitt), but it is a disaster for the general election.
Spidey writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 2:13 PM
And the hits(peices) keep on coming
Neither one of these stories are getting any play on the cable channels. I think the media is trying to figure out how to keep Huck bucked up and at the same time not bash the big sacred cows of the left,AIDS victims and convicted killers.The old line bu Rush, women and minorities hardest hit" has a place here when talking about AIDS, the only party that's missing are the gays. These are all stalwarts of the dem base. Huckabee hasn't answered to the AIDS story yet, maybe one of his staff (if he can find one)hasn't found a newspaper to get him up to speed on the issue. Or maybe he's buried in catching up on the CIA tape burning.The main thing about the AIDS story is how people will calculate on how this will play in the general election. In theory huck was right in trying to isolate AIDS people because it has spread expodentially since then due to rampant promiscuity in our society.When people have nothing to do with their lives due to welfare they get into other things,like jumping bed to bed.
timoteotk writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 2:18 PM
Huck is positive!!!!
Keep up the NEGATIVE Attacks--that is fine...the NEWSWEEK POLL was conducted BEFORE your hero's big speech. ALL THE NAYSAYERS, and bloated gasbags need to graciuosly admit they were wrong for trying to ignore Governor Huckabee and the WISHES OF THE PEOPLE..YOU ARE NOT THE KINGMAKERS THE PEOPLE ARE!!!
Dr_B writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 2:23 PM
These are some of the reasons
Huckabee will destroy Reagan's "Grand Coalition".

The Urban business class will NEVER vote for a man like this. Slandering gays, endorsing quaranteen, advocating federal control of CEO wages (Yesterday on Kudlow), advocating a protectionist stance regarding the rising power of China and India are just some of the reasons.

Urban people could tolerate GWBs overt religiousness because it was melded with sound supply-side economics. It's some of the reason we've done so well economically these past years, despite fighting 2 wars. You can hate Bush for the borders, but he's been smart enough to leave the economy alone and cut taxes.


Huckabee is an economic Hindenburg.


R.I.P. Grand Coalition (1980-2007)
Ted writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 2:25 PM
Huck Will Destroy GOP Grand Coalition
timoteotk, I don't disagree with you that Huckabee's religion card may get him the GOP nomination (by knocking out Mitt early). He is apparently "the wishes of the people", that is, the evangelical base. So you may be right.

I'm only saying, his candidcay would destroy the GOP grand coalition (built by Reagan, religious WITH business interests), not carry ANY swing state, and hence lose the election (and the nation) to the Dems in a time of peril.

OK, you Huck guys win the nomination, but lose the nation. How is THAT good for the evangelicals?
Joe writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 2:32 PM
Translation of Hugh's Statement:
If you translated HughSpeak above through Google Language Tools into Standard American English, this is what it would say:

"Huckabee has to be put down like a rabid mad dog he is. Think 'Old Yeller' but without any sadness or tears, more akin to 'Cujo.' Huckabee is for big government, ignore the fact that I have remained silent while Bush did exactly that. If the MSM can get the job done for us (knocking out this inbred Hillbilly), all the better. If these dumb Evangelicals can't do what they are told, what good are they! They can take the primary season off and make themselves useful to take down Hillary or Obama. Don't worry the elite of the party tied in with the MSM will get the job done."
Reagan writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 2:33 PM
Huckabee is a Fraud
Huckabee would be a terrible candidate, he is completely unelectable! Why would any conservative vote for someone who is bad on immigration, bad on taxes, bad on education, bad on crime. As a christian I am going to vote for Mitt Romney because of his character and record. If you want to throw it all away vote for Huckabee! What a bogus newsweek poll, 1.34 percent of Iowa rep. polled.

Evangelical Christians UNITE VOTE FOR ROMNEY!!!!
BMessenger writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 2:33 PM
So the Drive-by Media is OK, Hugh?
So if the drive-by MSM does your bidding in bringing Huckabee down, it's a legitimate story and a momentum killer but if they write a story taking Romney to task for anything they are to be ignored for propping Huck's campaign up on the back of typical hit-and-run, sloppy seconds journalism?

Though I'm not surprised that you jumped all over this, it is surprising that you wouldn't even wait to get Huck's side before tossing this out.

And by the way, Huckabee did address the Dumond story in great detail on Hannity yesterday. Where are the excerpts of that transcript?

Hugh, you have become what you hate: Just the right-wing refelction of the drive-by MSM reporting just fragments of the truth in the hopes of furthering your own agenda. Many once trusted you for being reasonable and articulate, but now your just a press release outlet for Team Romney.

One more thing Hugh: Huckabee's numbers have only gone up since the attacks started flying. This doesn't mean that his meteoric rise will continue or that the latest attacks won't arrest his momentum, but in the wake of "The Speech" failing to register in the polls, a half-a-hundred other obituaries you've written for Mike Huckabee, and a mountain of recent predictions that have all fallen flat, you just may want to use an ounce of catuion going forward.
Drex Davis writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 2:34 PM
Huckabee a closet Celtics fan?
Remember, in 91 Magic Johnson disclosed that he had HIV. In 92 Huck wants to quarantine people with HIV.

This will not sit well with Lakers fans.
Ted writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 2:36 PM
Huckabee - DEM & MSM choice for GOP
The amazing Huckabree rise continues to be the MSM mantra! Hmmmmm, I wonder why?
Drex Davis writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 2:36 PM
Remember,
Huck is running as a "Christian Leader" (self-proclaimed) . . . so this stuff can really be damaging . . .
Joe writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 2:42 PM
The Sleeper Awakes?

From the day in June when I interviewed the man until this very morning, Fred Thompson has caused me to scratch my head in puzzlement and disappointment. On the one hand, Thompson displays energy, intiative, and principle in all matters of policy. He has forthrightly and uapologetically opposed Roe, arguing that abortion law should be returned to the states. He’s solid on health care. Has has displayed more courage and honesty in addressing the need for entitlement reform than all the other Republican candidates combined. In his insistence on the need to achieve victory in Iraq and prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons, he has proven unflinching. And now he has proposed the most imaginative and far-reaching tax reform proposal of the entire campaign, calling for the abolition of the AMT and a voluntary flat tax. On the other hand, what has Thompson displayed in campaign appearances? Torpor. Lassitude. Indifference.

Until now.

As Byron York notes below, Stephen Hayes reports that Thompson now intends to climb aboard a great big bus, then spend every day but Christmas itself criss-crossing the great state of Iowa until the caucuses on January 3. With Romney stalled out and Huckabee under fire (a great deal of said fire originating right here on NRO), Fred has an opening—and, evidently, has chosen to seize it.

This is a big deal—or could be. Maybe—just maybe—Fred Thompson has finally realized that Ronald Reagan only made it look easy.

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MzNmYjYyN2I1OTRlMT U4NWFlMDlhNTU4ZGY0YjFmZjQ=
Drex Davis writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 2:43 PM
referring to AIDS as a
"plague" instead of an "Epidemic" is really interesting.

Does using the words "plague" hurt him?

It's biblical language and hearkens back to Moses and Pharoah, when wicked people we're published with a "plague."
Ted writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 2:44 PM
A Primary vote for Huck is a vote 4 Dems
BMessenger, above all else, Hugh wants the GOP to win the election (for the nation) -- even more than he support Romney.

On the other hand, you, BMessenger want to discredit Hugh and other Romney supporters MORE than you want the GOP to win the election.

Because face it, Huckabee would carry NO SWING STATE, and hence LOSE the election.
Cooltruth writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 2:46 PM
A quarantine could have saved thousands
How many gays & others have contracted AIDS and died since the disease was identified? How many would still be alive if a policy of quarantining AIDS victims had been implimented earlier? This disease could have been stopped a long time ago if somebody had the backbone to quarantine those with AIDS such as Huckabee wanted to do.
BG writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 2:47 PM
Smart Short Run Moves
Huck was a desperate candidate. He had no money and little support. He had his Pastor back ground and has some organization from that background. Romney had opposition from the anti Mormons who many Pastors have used in the past.

Huck decided his best shot at getting market share with little money was to exploit his natural alliances and strengths. He really had no other option for making progress.

In the process of playing the religion card and leveraging the anti Mormon crowd he has put himself in a difficult position for the next steps in wining the nomination.

He will get enough religious votes to be one of the 3 candidates. However, he can and should be attacked for over positioning as "the Christian Candidate" and for claiming that his rise in the polls is a sign or caused by God.

That over positioning creates all kinds of problems for him and the party. It should be used against him.

He may be on first base but home is a long ways away. He will have to reposition and the other candidates and the press will have to give him a free pass. Now maybe in the tradition of Bill Clinton he can reposition and get a way with it but that will be the fault of the other candidates.

Huck has woven the rope that should hang him.
timoteotk writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 2:48 PM
Huck is REAGANESQUE!!!!!!
Finally, Someone who can ARTICULATE Republican Principles with Wit & Wisdom. Huck Is ideologically CONSISTENT, Personally Likeable(unlike Al BORE,, Howard Scream, and Bob Dull. Quick on feet, self deprecating..His New plan on immigration is unassailable, He has signed Grover Nordquist pledge not to raise taxes...10 1/2 years as Governor but all the media types have concentrated on is his experience as a minister- MUCH MORE BIAS AGAINST HIM RIGHT OUT Of THE GATE Than Romney EVER HAD- but they MADE one little mistake---they wrote him off without realizing this guy has the grit, and natural easygoing political skills to make him someone people are attracted to. PRINCIPLED, PERSUASIVE, and propelled by a passion for what is right-Go ahead and attack him. Fact is the evagelical base ar not the only ones that are flocking to him. Besides whether are not you think this is the case ..you criticize him at your own peril..because you NEED the base to win. Go ahead keep up your attacks...the more classy thing to do is to acknowladge he has run a tough upbeat campaign worthy of respect and not your jealous disdain.
Christian Manfred writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 2:49 PM
Bye, bye!
Nice to know 'ya, Huck.

PS: It's over!
Drex Davis writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 2:51 PM
Cooltruth
you're actually making the case against Huckabee - even now he's using "health issues" (smoking and obesity) a catalyst to extending governments intervention into our lives.

The AIDS epidemic was well known and Gay men (particularly) knew they were at risk of contracting by having unprotected sex. You didn't need to quarantine people with HIV. you needed to know your sexual partners and not hook up with random dudes in bathhouses.
Spidey writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 2:53 PM
What will be Mitt's reaction?
As soon as the media gets it's chance it will ask Mitt for a reaction to the Huck AIDS position.This will put him in a very touchy situatiuon because a lot of conservatives believe what Huck said especially on the funding issue.It does get a disproportionate funding to more widespread diseases. Of course this was a result of wealthy gays donating to the Dems and pushing for more funding which Bill Clinton was happy to do. Bush had to increase funding also because it's such a toxic issue. The thing about the spread of AIDS is the real blame is never presented which is rampant promicuity.Gays going on SSI and medicaid is costing the taxpayers billions. Anyone remember the story "Bug Chaser" many years ago where it claimed gays actually got an extra thrill having sex with strangers and the risk of getting a disease. The story was killed by the MSM as soon as it broke. No doubt from pressure by big shot gays.
Ted writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 2:54 PM
Huck is Polar Opposite to Reagan
timeoteok, yes the GOP wants and needs the evangelical base (the nation needs the evangelical base). We all like the evangelical base and what it stands for BUT, Romney is NOT inconsistent with the evangelical base on his values, and we need to win the election (on behalf of the evangelical base) and everyone else.
Drex Davis writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 2:54 PM
Magic Johnson was playing in the NBA
in 1992 AFTER declaring in 1991 that he was HIV positive.

Sounds like Huck would like to pull him off the court and lock him in his locker.

I could see this kind of fear-mongering talk in the 80s before HIV was better known, but even by 1992 Magic was playing a professional semi-contact sport and there was wide understanding of the ways to contract AIDS and it's not through casual contact (as Quarantinable illnesses are).
Ted writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 2:57 PM
Huck, Aids & Romney
Spidey, don't worry, Mitt & Company are working on an appropriate response to Huck and aids.
Drex Davis writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 2:58 PM
Spidey
Lots of heterosexual people got AIDS, too, and went on SSI and Medicaid (including children born with HIV to heterosexual couples).

It's DEATH to a candidate to have overtly linked
the following three things
1. Homosexuality
2. AIDS
3. Quarantining

By making (implicitly) AIDS a strictly homosexual issue, especially at the time he did, makes it look like intolerant fear mongering.
Ted writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 3:07 PM
Huck Temperatire Rise is a Fever-illness
Huck's rise reminds me of a fever, we've watched the body temperature rise, higher, higher, waiting for that break and it to come down TO SAVE THE PATIENT! I hope the patient (GOP candidacy process) can survive.
BG writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 3:07 PM
Parole
The Drumond case is the bigger hit. Huck made amistake with pressure from religious conservatives. They fell for the old "I'm saved" trick.

That is a problem on two fronts.

Huck's "identity" caused him to make a decision he should not have made. His "identify" decided policy. Huck was probably a good pastor. He was not a good Governor. Others paid the price of Huck's compassion by being raped and murdered.

Huck is perceived as being less than truthful on the parole. He is being "Slick" about it. That is a big problem if you are a Minister.

Are you a Falwell or a Graham, who can be trusted or are you a Haggert, Swaggert or Bakker (just to name a few)? Smooth talking but corrupt.

If you add "Slick" to the ethics convictions you have a character problem.
timoteotk writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 3:08 PM
SOUR GRAPES
Ted writes:

"Huck Needs to be Brought Down Quick
At this moment, Huckabee is the SINGLE BIGGEST THREAT TO THE FUTURE OF THIS NATION."

Yeah ha Ted you are a BLOATED GASBAG!!!!

You think Mike Huckabee is more dangerous than:
Dennis Kucinich
John Edwards
Barack Obama
Hillary Clinton

lay off the crack pipe. These are PURELY Ad HOMINEM attacks without any basis in reason or actual substance.

Fact is people like Mike and you had better PRAY that he does not get funding for ads because if the people give him a fair hearing he will hold his own in the genral elections and the polls are already beariing this out.

gentlemanscholar writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 3:09 PM
Huckabee is not my first choice
I get the feeling that a lot of conservatives who have been dissatisfied with the top tier candidates think that they have found their "true conservative" candidate in Huckabee. Some of them did the same with Fred Thompson until he actually began to campaign and to define himself. Once his record and his views (and ignorance) on fiscal and national security matters becomes evident, his support will likely collapse.

I am an evangelical. I want our nominee to be a solid social conservative. But I also want a candidate that is a strong fiscal conservative (free market, low taxes, small govt.) and who is also strong on national security (war on terror, secure the borders, etc.). My chief worry about Huckabee is that IF he were to get the nomination, we would be looking at a Democrat landslide in November '08. Evangelicals will be blamed, of course. Worst yet, as the "evangelical candidate," Huckabee's views on fiscal and foreign policy will be imputed to all evangelicals by their critics.
Ted writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 3:12 PM
Huckabee Worse than Hillary/Obama
timeotek, Huckabee IS as dangerous as Hillary and Obama because Huckabee's nomination means exactly that, a Hillary or Obama presidency

Actually, Huckabee is even worse because on top of electing Hillary or Obama, Huckabee would set back the GOP for 10 years.
Drex Davis writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 3:23 PM
It's pretty clear that
Huck pressured the parole board to let Dumond go.

I'm completely dumbstruck that he would deny it. By denying it, the parole board members feel their credibility trashed, so they come out stronger, raising the stakes and making it harder and harder for Huck to reverse without looking like he's deliberatly deceiving people.

He should have just said, "I made a huge miscalculation when I lobbied for Dumond's release. I've learned from it. I regret what happened, and I've resolved to be tougher on crime so that things like that don't happen again on my watch."

Had he done that, first thing, I think most people would have said, Hey, the guy made a mistake. He learned from it.

But from his record after the Dumond affair, it also seems he kept right on pardoning people (5x more than any of his surrounding states).
timoteotk writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 3:38 PM
TED
Look at the Head to Head Polls-do everyone a favor and don't make another entry until you do.
We know you are biased because your attacks are not based on facts.
Jsmith writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 3:38 PM
May be
Huck will say he has "evolved" or has had a "conversion" on the issue of gays and AIDS like Romney has on abortion or gay marriage or immigration, etc.

But, only Romney's conversion is to be believed. He knows "serious" people like Hugh and must be believed.

Huck cannot be trusted with his explanation. I mean did Hugh write a book about Huck? Huh? Huh?
timoteotk writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 3:40 PM
Huckabee on Aids Funding
"What people do in the privacy of their own lives as adults is their business," Huckabee said. "If they bring it into the public square and ask me as a taxpayer to support it or to endorse it, then it becomes a matter of public discussion and discourse."

What true conservative could disagree with this statement??? Speak now or shut your fat Yappers!!!
Joe writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 3:45 PM
Huck Mojo vs. Mitt Manpower?
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1207/7268.html

I doubt it will be a blow out either way and Mitt is most definitely in the running to win Iowa. I suspect Mitt will pull this out, but you never know. Hugh does have a strange habit of pulling defeat from the jaws of victory.
Ted writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 3:46 PM
Huckabee WILL LOSE ALL SWING STATES
timetoek, are you trying to tell me that Huckabee has a better chance of beating Hillary or Obama than Romney or Guiliani, in say, Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, California, Colorado, New Mexico, etc. etc.

GET REAL!!!!!
timoteotk writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 3:47 PM
Dex=Hugh
Drex you are a shameless sycophant of Hugh's.

Huckabee has expleined in DETAIL on This Morning with Harry Smith, Joe scarborogh (Go to Real Poilitics . com and see clip for yourself...this is purely motivated by politics and people will see through this Willie Horton type of attack that was launched by the Huffington Post which is equal to Moveon.org-if that is the crowd you want to side with that is your choice.Purely using a tragic case for political purposes. SHAMELESS!!!!
Joe writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 3:47 PM
What is with these links not working?
Now politico is disabled?

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1207/7268.html

Talk about restricting speech, anything that might hurt the cause is cut at TownHall. First YouTube now even politico (you would think it was some porn site). I am surpised NRO is not being blocked.
Daniel writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 3:49 PM
A Very Bad Dilemma

If Huckabee lands the Republican nomination (which I don't expect him to do), I will find voting for him in the general election extremely difficult.

It will put me in a bind.

I don't want to be in a bind.

Please, Iowans, don't let this man win the caucuses.
Drex Davis writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 3:57 PM
huffington post? - nice try
read the words of the parole board members.

by the way, name-calling doesn't become you.

me thinks you protest too loudly. you a paid huck staffer?
Harry Oz writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 3:58 PM
Huckabee is DANGEROUS
Where Huckabee is dangerous, he seems to blur the lines between religion and government. He has every right to hold these beliefs but he can't apply them to public policy because then he will be discriminating against a group of free men and women.

This is what are Founders were against and this is why the Government is secular. The government gets it's power to govern from the consent of the God Given Liberty of the individual. So the Government is secondary to the people and can't be guided by someones personal beliefs. This is DANGEROUS!!

timoteotk writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 4:00 PM
GentlemanScholar
Huckabee's advances in Arkansas will be viewed in the General elections as a POSITIVE with independents and democrats who are socially consevative but are more moderate in investing in state imprvements and looking out for kids(Huckabee has also taken the No TAX Pledge and his new immigration plan DOES NOT support amnesty..along with his personal story as the non-corporate- non washington DC connected candidate HE HAS CROSSOVER APPEAL.

don't be swayed by the NEGATIVE attacks- Huckabee is the real deal...as many articles suggest LONG before these attacks came...all he needs to make his case is funding. The fact that he is winning with no money makes him the fiscal conservative and will play well in the general elections.
BMessenger writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 4:03 PM
Daniel...
I feel exactly the same way you do...about Mitt Romney.

In a Romney v. Clinton match up I would either not vote or I'd vote third party.

In a Obama v. Romney match up I'd hold my nose and vote Obama or go third party - since both candidates are pro-choice (I'm ignoring Romney's flip-flop-flip as an obvious pander for political expediency)

To put this in context, I have never voted for a Democrat in any local, state or national election but a Romney nomination may well drive me to change all that. In any event, I would not vote GOP.
Harry Oz writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 4:03 PM
Huckabee debate in General
I can see the debate.

Hillary/Obama - Governor Huckabee you said that gays should be quarantined, this kind of thinking is dangerous and George Bush wouldn't even say anything like this.

Huckabee - Well sin is like opinions everybody has one.

The G.O.P. is over at this point.

KGK writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 4:09 PM
Populist, maybe Cabinet member
Huck is a populist Huey Long type. Not ready for prime time especially as Commander in Chief. A nice guy, perhaps a bit naive but though more populist in economics, more conservative in some other domestic issues. Years ago when AIDS struck, many thought it a plague and did not know how to respond to treatments. Not even the gays or the Left which supported them. It is Huck's economic, lack of experience in foreign affairs and his very very Southern potential but nothing outside of the 11 Old Confederacy that would draw voters to him. It makes him a rather regional candidate. Probably could fit in the Cabinet of any one of our guys. Still , I like the competition in the Party. The real problem is once the nominee is known will all sides support him instead of whining and allowing the Left to win once more?!
timoteotk writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 4:10 PM
Daniel
Fact is I have serious issues with the founding father of mormonism(not mormons- I happen to LIKE and respect Mormons..I have huge RESPECT for people like ORRIN HATCH).

Despite my issues I would cast my vote for Romney anyday BEFORE I would vote for a democrat or a losing independent candidate.

I just happen to prefer Huck. I also like Romney but he is too closely tied to Bush & DC.
Harry Oz writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 4:12 PM
Huckabee desired the rapist to go free
Why? This is what Hannity asked him and he couldn't answer it. It's because Huckabee allowed his personal beliefs when it comes to religion to dictate his policy and someone got murdered.
BMessenger writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 4:18 PM
Huckabee...
You all forget one crucial se of facts....

Despite all these attacks, which for the most part are not new and came up during his 8 years in office as Governor of AR, that Huckabee won re-election in 2002.
Jacob the Syrian Hamster writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 4:19 PM
Huckabee will usher in the 12th Imam!
Or maybe just a plague of boils. We're not sure. In any case, Huckabee is a threat to Mitt and Mitt must be elected at all costs!

Think of the children! Won't anyone think of the children?

Ever since the Mittmania began, this site has become like a train wreck. It's horrible, but somehow irresistable in a sickening way.

In all seriousness, what a weak field of candidates! Was 2000 this bad? The Democrats will field either a severely wounded Hillary or grade school age Obama. We'll either field a yacht salesman, a transvestite New Yorker, or a hillbilly preacher.

Yay?
BMessenger writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 4:22 PM
Oz...
He did answer it, he said he made a mistake. You just chose not to listen to it or you didn't hear the interview and now you're making this up.
Harry Oz writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 4:23 PM
People don't think Huckabee can win
If they did Huckabee would be at least raising Ron Paul money.

If he had all this grassroots support, where's the money?
richard_223 writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 4:24 PM
Biblical Proportions
What a narrative! Penniless Baptist from a no name college takes on the Harvard annointed Midas rich priest of Melchizedek and is making him fight for his political life in the Kingdom of Iowa. The Mighty Man Fred has mounted his trusty bus, and, energized by by smell of blood in the water, is off to join the fray.

Who will prevail? Whom will the gods look on with favor? Which brave knight will the voters of Iowa find to be their authentic champion in the battles that lie ahead against the Obamination of Desolation and the Wyfe of Bubba?

Stay Tuned
richard_223 writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 4:29 PM
Film at Eleven
Jacob,

If Huck wins, women and minorities will be effected most.
Drex Davis writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 4:30 PM
Arkansas voter credibility
"Despite all these attacks, which for the most part are not new and came up during his 8 years in office as Governor of AR, that Huckabee won re-election in 2002."

In 1992 we learned something about the judgment of the people of Arkansas when it comes to their governer. They loved Bill Clinton, too, and looked askance at all his problems while he was governor. He just brought all those problems with him into the White House.

If these charges aren't true (about the parole board and Dumond), then shame on all those parole board members for getting together and deciding to lie together about this. But I've read everything on it. It's HIS word against the entire parole board and the 1st victim's mother. Sorry guys, where there's the fire, there's a fire.
richard_223 writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 4:34 PM
My Huckabee Friend
Notice nobody is talking about the Speech today, its been swept away by Huckmentum! And Fred and his bus are on the way!
Harry Oz writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 4:38 PM
Huckabee is the G.O.P. worst nightmare
The guy doesn't have a clue about what drives the free market.

When you hear people talk about greedy C.E.O.'s run for your life. This person wants to use the government and other people's money to pursue their desire to be compassionate. This is truly a danger.

It's not Wall Street but BIG GOVERNMENT that's hurting the worker.

Huckabee increased spending by $4.61 billion. That is an increase of 65.3%, or 7.4% annually. This is three times the rate of inflation.

How in the world can any conservative support this guy? I'm starting to believe that many so called conservatives are SOCIAL LIBERALS. They love to be tough on social issues but they feel it's the governments job to correct all the wrongs of society with other people's money. This is truly a disaster.

The Constitution doesn't guarantee you happiness, you just have the right to pursue happiness according to the dictates of your conscious as long as you don't infringe on other's liberty.

Huckabee and liberals don't understand this.
Harry Oz writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 4:40 PM
Drex Davis WRONG!!
Huckabee said he desired for Dumond to go free. Huckabee even wrote him a letter.

Hannity asked Huckabee about this and he had no answer.

Huckabee was a cheerleader for Dumond's parole even when the rape victim wrote him a letter and begged him not to do it.
NeoConScum writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 5:02 PM
Ted & HarryOz...I'm Pretty Much On The
Same page as you. I'm a recent, if shaky, arrival to Romneyland from Rudy. I like both. I've come to think there are more pluses going for Mitt & negs weighing(potentially)on Rudy. This Huckster Stuff is strange as hell to me. He has huge non-conservative views and baggage. Illegal Alien Love, Bizarro Economics, Clemencies for Sociopaths, Cluelessness on Wartime Leadership & Foreign Affairs, overall populist shuck & jive, etc. He CAN'T beat HRC or Bazama, in my opinion--by a mile. What's with Iowans? Are they being shucked by a "y'all watch my hands so ya won't see what I'm doing..." folksy-swift talker?

I don't get this guy at all.
timoteotk writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 6:00 PM
in the words of Reagan
"scRew all you naysayers"--the Huck surge is TSUNAMI and there ain't a dang thing you can do about it. ahhh life is GOOD at the top!!!
Mike writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 6:03 PM
These things are new to me!
Maybe the voters of Arkansas know of these views, but I had no knowledge of his Cro-Magnon views on Aids. Now the giga-kilowatt light of scrutiny that comes from being the leader in the Iowa polls has revealed Huck for what he is - he is not electable in a general election and the MSM knew that - hence the pseudo Huckmania of the media elites. The MSM fear Mitt and Rudy so they are trying to push the Huckster to the lead. The Newsweek poll probably used the same field of likely voters that CNN put together for the YouTube debates - I bet if we could find them, there would be more than a few Clinton/Obama/Edwards supporters among those polled.

Funny, I thought the support of rights for illegals and his tax policies while governor coupled with his record with criminals would do him in - you cannot be a serious candidate for all of America and have these views in your history - stick a fork in him, he is done.
Arby writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 6:06 PM
Redemption, my foot
Huckabee has publicly stated that he is a Christian and therefore believes in redemption, and that his belief in redemption was partially behind his support for pardoning a convincted criminal who went on to murder and rape an innocent woman.

Huckabee is dangerous because he fails to behave as every person affiliated with government should: Government is in place to protect the nation and its citizens, NOT to make moral judgments either on their behalf or in their interests. Anything that is not involved with PROTECTING the nation and its citizens shouldn't even be up for discussion.

Someone said on another thread, and I believe he is totally right, that if conservatives would simply throw their support to candidates who are the most conservative (Thompson and Hunter) and stop all this fooling around with the evangelical and/or religious side of politics, conservatives would be a lot farther down the road in taking steps to protect the nation and its people.

If they don't, personally I don't think there's much difference between Hillary and Huckabee. Both looks like Democrats and bleeding heart liberals to me.
cottoneyed writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 6:31 PM
If there is a better reason
not to vote for Huckabee than the post at 3:45pm, then i haven't heard it. The left wants Huckabee. GAME, SET, MATCH. Stick a fork in him. You lefties, stick to what you know, hating George W. Bush.
Drex Davis writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 6:44 PM
Harry Oz
with all due respect, what the hell are you talking about?

"Drex Davis WRONG!!
Huckabee said he desired for Dumond to go free. Huckabee even wrote him a letter."

I know. I'm aware of that. And he also pressured the parole board to parole him. Which is what I said.

hey, I thhink I probably agree with you on a lot of things, but you gotta read before you hit the itcy trigger finger.
Drex Davis writes: Saturday, December, 08, 2007 11:58 PM
I want to rephrase that . . .
what the HECK are you talking about?
Patriotic Liberal writes: Sunday, December, 09, 2007 5:51 AM
Cottoneyed
That's the difference between Foxnews conservatives like you and the true blue conservatives supporting Huck. The true blues don't give a whit about "liberals" or whatever. Their lying eyes, if not Foxnews or talk radio or inside-the-beltway pundits, tell them that there is something wrong with where the current generation has taken conservatism. They see the policy failures, the broken promises, the graft, and unlike Foxnews conservatives, they don't go blaming someone else.

A guy like Huck comes along and, yeah, some lefties like him. But you know what? If you going to claim that you're a cultural conservative (which is what I personally am), then have the decency to acknowledge that you can't turn the country over to businessmen and their consumerist ethos. America is a country, not a market. The others don't, really. Otherwise they wouldn't engage in that "small government" flimflam. Every Republican since Ike has railed against big government, but none--nada--have been able to resist its temptations. Again, that's NONE!! In the current crop, there's only one legitimate small government type, and that's Ron Paul, a man of high character and perhaps low sanity. The rest are just hustling. Except for Huck. He tells the truth about Government. And honestly, it brings a measure of legitimacy back to the conservative philosophy.
Spidey writes: Sunday, December, 09, 2007 6:06 AM
It Is My Wish
That Huck becomes toast.I don't want David Broder picking my candidate.So Juan McCain can join the toast parade also.There's a NY Times peice today about Huck and the parole story and AIDS story. 90% of the article focused on the parole one.The MSM is in a huge quandry over the AIDS one because they want to continue to push Huck but he went after a huge Dem sacred cow, the gay community.
cottoneyed writes: Sunday, December, 09, 2007 5:36 PM
Again, if the left likes
Huckleberry, there is no better reason not to vote for him. Make no mistake, if hes' the guy, then i'll vote for him. McCain gets the nomination before Huckleberry, thats how much chance he has.
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