They're pouting and stamping their feet like "spoiled brats"!....Wah wah wah.
Anyway, I'm proud to be included in the company of PP, VP, MC, SP and all the other REAL conservatives who post here!
All of you McCainiac RINOs just keep on lickin your masters' boots!
Now, John, is that statement PC enough for you,....instead of saying, "yessa massa"?
You knew what my real meaning was though,....you just tried to turn it into a "race baiting" slander, by accusing me of making racist statements. |
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sorry, I ran out of quarters yesterday. haha.
Great comments, Mel and Row.
And eddie, your dream of McCain choosing a strict justice will be dashed when you realize that if he did that his McCain-Feingold would be overturned.
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Great point. We sometimes get so caught up in this presidential contest that we lose focus on the importance of electing solid conservatives to represent your state and local areas. Never has that been more imprtant than in this election, where our choices are so limited at the top. |
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needed for a GOP facelift.
Similar to leftist who practices moral/ethical/spiritual equivalence on demand, republicans who practice an ambiguious philosophy for political expediency promote principals which cannot be trusted...hence the GOP's problem.
In literally every case when a republican runs on conservative values (national office) they win big time...it's only when they run middle or to the left that they lose.
Like many conservatives here I'm not emotionally tied to seeing either the socialist or the liberal in office.
Regardless of who is elected though, conservatives main priority at this point is to promote and elect a solidly conservative congressional base from which to operate. I does not need to be a majority, just large and focused enough to put a crimp in the majorities agenda.
Conservative philosophy put to practice, the backbone of America's greatest traits will not be denied regardless of POTUS/SOCTUS (or republicans), we will prevail.
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Eddie I can appreciate many of your arguments and I think I understand your logic. Most of us have agonized over what to do in November. Frankly I am not yet totally sure what I will do. I do believe that the posters on this forum are generally in agreement about the end goal; we just disagree about how best to get there.
Here are some of my personal concerns: Many of the events on McCain's record sound like he is a wolf in sheep's clothing (or a Dem in GOP clothing if you will). Secondly, it is really difficult to vote for someone who has called you names and spoken as if he doesn't care for you or need you. His history is one of smearing us in the mud; now we are supposed to believe he has changed? Third, the argument about judges may turn out to be a big disappointment in practice. There is a huge assumption that a heavily Democrat Senate will confirm those nominations; the Senate record there is discouraging. Same is true for many of the other great promises McCain is making. If Obama is POTUS maybe the Republican minority will at least have the courage to filibuster Obama's appointments. McCain already has a history of compromising with the Dems; they don't have much of a history of reaching across the Isle toward Republicans. Further, I live in Texas. Things are already downright dangerous along our southern border. It doesn't matter much if McCain wins in Iraq and we continue be invaded by almost anyone who wants to get across the Rio Grande. McCain is still pretty evasive on the illegal immigration issue. He hedges. It shouldn't be too difficult to get the border state governors to "certify" that the border is secure, for instance, as he has proposed. I have a lot more I'd like to say but I'd better shut up for now. |
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Luke 12:32 Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father’s good pleasure to give you the kingdom.
If the flock has the kingdom and the flock is destroyed, then what? |
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Conservative vote was split pretty much evenly between Romney and Huckabee. MORE who identified themselves as republican, voted for Romney than for Huckabee. It took Huckabee 6 more weeks of campaigning to even equal the delegates Romney had (which he released to McCain). I do hope you'all rais cain at the convention. It will solidfy my committment to McCain/romney. It will also show folks why people like you, don't belong in the party. |
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The RNC has managed to nominate the author of the last amnesty bill. They wanted to make sure that we who oppose amnesty would not have any choice in this election. We do have the option of voting third party or a write in. I intend to exercise that option. The argument that it is cutting off our nose to spite our face does not hold water. If the nose has a cancerous tumor the size of a RINO horn that will kill the patient, the prudent thing to do IS to cut it off. |
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you and I probably agree on 80% of the issues. I probably disagree more with JSM than with you. However, I disagree with nearly everything Obama supports. I see a big difference between Obama and JSM. As a result, I will make every effort to elect JSM. That includes pointing out the illogic of people who claim the conservative mantle and still want to see Obama elected. Not necessarily because they like Obama or support his policies but because JSM is not pure enough for them. It is a classic "cut off your nose to spite your face" scenario. |
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conservatives can continue to organize politically and if successful can wield whatever political power they have acquired. The problem I have is that conservatives are not united. As you know, there are fiscal conseratives, there are foreign policy conservatives (and these are divided further between the Ron Paul types and the Cheney types), and there are the social conservatives.
All are conservative but they have different priorities. That is why "conservatives" have such a difficulty in accomplishing political goals and existing as a political party. Each branch of conservatism will compromise on the others' priorities. That is not a good strategy for winning.
Remember the exit polls during the primaries. Most of those who self-identified as very conservative also voted for Huckabee, who many other self-identified conservatives think is a liberal. If conservatives as a group are this conflicted about their identity, it is no wonder they are politically impotent.
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eddie too.
Your scare tactics aren't working. |
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My plea is that we keep this discussion civil, avoid name calling, and accusing others of all kinds of degrading character flaws and dishonesty because we may not agree with you. I have noticed that a substantial number of the posts here are yours. Should we now ask, no ACCUSE, you of being a "paid operative" of the McCain campaign? Now you apparently believe that these posts are all part of a "concerted attack" against you. Wow!
Dictionary definition of "Concerted": "To plan together; to settle or adjust by conference, agreement, or consultation." It is a matter of sincere opinion as to who is tearing the GOP apart.
Come on Eddie!!!! |
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Acts 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
What is it about "NOT SPARING THE FLOCK" that you don't understand.
We could go through Matt 16:18 if you like. My understanding of it came from an old bed ridden Catholic Priest. You might find what he said about it interesting. I sure did. |
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I wish I or someone knew the future, but we do not.
If JSM wins, I expect him to appoint strict constructionists to the SCOTUS as he has said he would. Also, I expect him to take steps to increase energy production. Further, I expect him to advance the pro-life, the pro-traditonal marriage and the right to keep and bear arms positions. I expect him to agressively pursue the WOT. I expect him to lower taxes and balance the budget. I would fight his efforts to impose any kind of regulations on economic growth because of global warming. I would fight any of his efforts to increase regulation of free speech. I would fight any effort on his part to grant amnesty to illegal aliens. |
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"Hey everybody, look at us conservatives doing everything we can to defeat JSM and elect Obama. Now that is conseratism we can believe in, NOT!!!!"
Again, we don't care which of these two libs get elected, they both lead to the same one-world-without-borders governed under the new religion of global warming. Is that a difficult concept? We don't care? YOU do. We just want to make sure they don't get a mandate which is what is almost certain to happen. Dems aren't happy with the choices either. "None of the above" is going to have a big showing this year. |
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I respectfully disagree on needing McCain to lose. I'm a little surprised even at my own feelings, but I really don't care if he wins or loses. We've got work to do either eway.
I would love to see a game at Wrigley Field. The Cubs have always held a soft spot in my heart, and I think this may be their year. The Brewers, adding Sabathia could give them a run, though.
The Sox have been in a bit of a funk, but I still believe they'll be there in Oct. The Rays look like they're for real. Fenway is like a comforting blanket. They have added seats and done it in a way that it looks like they've always been there. I'm not sure if my butt's gotten bigger or the seats have gotten smaller but I don't fit that comfortably in the seats anymore. I usually watch from my recliner. |
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And you claim to be a con. the NEXT elections in 2010 and 2012, what happens to the Party in terms of conservative tenets and winning seats? |
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Maine Conservative,
We need Mccain to lose. He would ruin the Conservative movement if he won. Anyways I think the next President is a one termer. We need 2010 to rebuild in the house and Governors. Our chances are much better if Obama wins. I love Wrigley Field but the ballpark is falling apart. We need to rebuild it except the bleachers. As long as they can the Ivy, the Scoreboard, the field and the bleachers I'm okay with it. Fenway from my visit last year seems to be in much better shape than Wrigley. |
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it is a small and forlorn effort to try and keep the charade going.
Hey everybody, look at us conservatives doing everything we can to defeat JSM and elect Obama. Now that is conseratism we can believe in, NOT!!!! |
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Do you think I'm part of a "right wing" or a "left wing" conspiracy? A little paranoia setting in? |
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your trumpeting of your conservatism sure rings hollow when you join your blogging efforts to the blogging efforts those who seek to elect Obama as POTUS using the tactic of demeaning the candidacy of the only person who can defeat him in November.
Sure your are a conservative. Afterall, do not all conservatives want Obama to become POTUS? You and your cronies must think all conseratives are stupid and gullible to fall for your acts. |
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I'm not whining. You desperados are. |
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Virginia Patriot, Pasadena Phil, Maine Conservative, Tazz, Mel, and Scarlet Pimpernel lend credence to the accusation that they are really Obama operatives whose primary purpose in posting here is to sow discontent, dissension and despair among undecideds and JSM supporters?
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I appreciate your efforts. I haven't been doing this nearly as long as the rest of you, but I am proud to be a conservative and proud to stand for conservative principles and values.
I would much rather fight and lose while maintaining my integrity than acquiesce my principles simple to elect a Republican. The efforts of all of you are appreciated, and I thank you. |
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He apologizes for being a big part of the destruction of Repub majority and promises to, from this day forward, do his best to unite the Party and defeat our enemies across the aisle.
He swears to enforce immigration laws on the Federal level and threatens sanctuary cities if they willfully abet illegals.
He admits that he has no idea what causes global warming other than the sun and Nature's cycles.
He swears to appoint a justice in the likes of Roberts AND he drives Repubs to force Dems to push the long long long line of judges through who have been waiting a long long long time to be appointed (federal level)
He puts the Fair Tax on the National Table for discussion.
He makes a statement that the election primary process needs to be revised so that whoever gets the most delegates wins.
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I haven't consistently read or posted here; only when I'm not putting in my 80 hour work-weeks.
What I've seen lately is an influx of GOP regular posters trying to shout down conservative posters.
Because a conservative won't automatically vote for the GOP candidate does not make them any less conservative. Especially when that candidate is demonstrably not a conservative.
So give us a reason to vote for McCain, other than fear-of-Obama. |
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good try at a diversionary tactic, trying to turn the converation to religious issues. |
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so your whines and complaints are given freely? That makes you one of Obama's true believers, right? |
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This is the same "eddie also" who constantly attacks Mormon beliefs, a group who is one of the most solid conservative voting blocks in the country. He wants their vote but calls them stupid and that he despises them. Some way to get support, huh? He is beyond stupid. |
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We don't get paid to complain;) |
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attacks on JSM can only serve to help Obama's election efforts. You (PP, SP, et.al.) are fully aware of that fact. Still, you insist on trying to convince others not to vote for JSM. What other conclusion can a person arrive at other than you are assisting Obama's election efforts.
Mel, do you seriously think that there is a way to get VP, PP and the others who constantly detract from JSM and provide only partial out of context representations of him to vote for him?
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"Obama supporters here only to sabotage JSM's efforts."
I don't think McCain needs any help from Obama supporters to sabotage his efforts. He is getting along quite fine himself.
As Mel writes, demonizing those of us who won't unquestionably fall in line behind the GOP standard-bearer is not a way to convince us to vote for him.
And fear of Obama is not a good tactic either: only cowards and old women make choices based on fear.
I really don't want President Obama; but I don't want President McCain either. What am I to do? |
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If so, I'm missing something here. Will they do direct deposit? |
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Is a mistake the RINOs keep making when they underestimate the staying power and persistence of conservatives. We ARE (or were) the activist and movement part of the GOP. We were very effective fighting off McCain when we was pushing for amnesty and Cap and Trade. Why would we get worn out fighting off RINOs at TH? Scarlet, VP, BrianR and several others of us have been doing this for almost two years and we are still here and will be until the job is done. That is how conservatives win. We stick to our principles and never give up. |
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writes: "...you are really Obama supporters here only to sabotage JSM's efforts."
and: "Paid Obama operatives, paid to sow dissension and despair among conservatives and the GOP, do you think?
Any honest observer knows that their primary purpose on these blogs is to diminish the number of voters who will vote for JSM. This is a strategy designed to get Obama elected."
Me: Have some in the Republican Party reached the point of paranoia and judging the motives of others? Eddie, I didn't realize you were so knowledgeable about the consciences of those who disagree with McCain? Denigrating the motives of those who cannot in good conscience vote for McCain is no way to get votes for him.
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we would be celebrating the Repubs' choice of McCain.
Of all the candidates that the Dem/libs wanted to face, McCain was #1. An old, white insider with weak base support v. a young black (and by that they mean hip) educated man who speaks well and is full of energy.
Old v. New. Very simple. |
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efforts to demonize JSM serve only to support Obama. When you claim to see no difference between the two, you lose all credibility among truth seeking people. There are significant differences and they are obvious.
I do not believe you see no difference between the two (JSM and Obama). Given that conclusion, an objective observer must also conclude that you are really Obama supporters here only to sabotage JSM's efforts.
Just calling them like I see them. |
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Not really, I liked Bob Dole.
Worse than Dole. I wasn't excited about Dole, but I wasn't pi$$ed off at him, so I voted for him. What's the likelihood of anyone who has been called names for wanting the gov't to actually enforce the laws, to vote for those jamming amnesty down our throats?
McCain-Kennedy, McCain-Feingold, McCain-Leiberman. Leadership like this I can do without.
Carbon taxes, constitutional rights for Gitmo detainees and amnesty for illegal aliens await us no matter who wins. |
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I understand going to the well one more time and doing what one thinks is best by voting for something like McCain. I'm just not going to let the Bogeyman scare me anymore. I want a conservative to be Prez. THAT would be best for the country.
I like OHM and Dread and 'em. I even enjoy Briggsy. We're all still going to be best pals when this is over.
I also think McCain will actually win but I hope he has little influence. We know he will have no coattails. |
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hahaha. love your comments.
Bob Dole also never stabbed his party in the back or undermined his Prez. Neither did Ford, Bush, or W.
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We cons have already shown you that McCain will not be a better choice than Obama based on the reasons that YOU PAVLOVIANS put on the table:
judges - McCain thinks Alito is too conservative. What is the history of Repubs nominating judges? AND do you really think The Great Exasperator will want to tangle with Schumer and Leahy and risk the wrath of the NYT?
the WOT - see Obama's many statements. They equal WE WON'T BE LEAVING ANYTIME SOON. Also, "I'll take American History for $8,000 Alex."
"The answer is: 'Never'".
"What is, 'How many times has a Dem Prez pulled troops to lose a war?"
"That is correct!"
Plus, PPhil, I, VaPat, MC etc have discussed hundreds of times about McCain's follies.
Okay, here's another question for ya: Which candidate running for Prez has worked harder to get major legislation passed that helps the Dem/lib party?
Also, who said Hillary would make a fine Prez?
So, if your hero, The Maverick, can get on the Dem/lib tip, why can't we? |
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So the better alternative is Constitution Party or Libertarian Party. |
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to be terrorized into voting for Mac. If he wants my vote, he needs to give me a GOOD reason to vote FOR him.
Still waiting, but I am patient. |
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Of course the GOP faithful will fall in line in Minneapolis, acquiescing to McCain's nomination, thus acquiescing to Obama's victory.
It feels like we are nominating Bob Dole all over again. |
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I may be a little softer than some because I actually understand the feelings of wanting to vote for the "lesser of two evils", and it was a process for me to get to the point of no return with McCain. I kept hoping he would do something, ANYTHING to show he wanted my conservative vote, but I have abandoned that hope.
I understand, and actually have some level of respect for those who choose the best thing for them is to vote for McCain, warts and all. I believe a vote is a sacred duty, responsibility, and trust given to us by the sacrificed blood of our forefathers, and every person should vote his or her conscience after careful consideration. My conscience just will not allow me to vote for McCain. Your's obviously will. |
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Pasadena Phil,
Fighting to put a conservative atop the GOP Presidential ticket is done during the GOP primary.
However, this year, GOP primary voters just so happened to collectively selected McCain over conservative favorite Duncan Hunter.
But a general election paradigm is d-i-f-f-e-r-e-n-t than a GOP primary.
In the general election, the alternative to a McCain Administration is not someone who is MORE conservative than McCain, rather, the alternative to a McCain Administration is a radical left wing nut (Obama).
In life, we don't normally get our 'perfect' or 'ideal' choice.
So we take the best available choice.
And in November 2008, John McCain is the better available choice than Barack Obama. |
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JSM is the GOP nominee barring an unforseen and extremely unlikely rebellion in Minneapolis. I can understand a person hoping for a rebellion. I just do not think it is going to happen. In addition, the chances the rebels would select someone satisfactory to you is very remote. |
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The GOP will lose without conservative votes. The Stupid Party tried to shoot itself in the foot and missed, kneecapping itself, looks like it might be a crippling injury. McCainiacs won't notice until November. When it's too late. |
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Re-read Matt's column. Remember this part?
"While conservatives and Republicans can -- and do -- work together, they should not confuse their roles. The role of the Republican Party is to elect Republicans. The role of conservatives is to advance a conservative agenda. And that often times means having to fight for it."
So which is it with you? Are you unprincipled, nose-holding "Republican Uber Alles"? Or are you principled conservatives willing to fight for your conservative principles? Right now, you are the former fighting against the real conservatives. Good luck with that. You are heading for a flaming crash. Don't be the last guy to jump off of that bus. The driver is insane. |
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I believe you're the one working to get Obama elected.
Do you sincerely believe that McCain is the best the GOP can do? McCain is a terrible candidate and the act of acquiescing to his nomination is tantamount to handing the Presidency to Obama.
As it stands now among the two parties, I have no horse in the race. There are millions of conservative GOP members who feel the same. |
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eddie too,
These self-proclaimed "authentic" conservatives assert that you and I are "not" conservatives due to the fact that you and I support McCain.
But if these guys are truly "more conservative" than you and I, logic would dictate that they should fear a radical left wing Obama Administration MORE than you and I do.
But they don't.
Rather, they fear a McCain Administration more than an Obama Administration.
It's all so Orwellian.
I suspect they're actually rooting for Obama to win so that he will inflict a Carter-esque four years on our nation which the "authentic" conservatives hope will be so bad that it will elicit a new Reagan Revolution in 2012.
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I heard that Obama is so dangerous, he would vote for McCain-Kennedy, McCain-Feingold, McCain-Leiberman, and McCain-Leiberman-Warner. I also heard that he approves of the Gang of 14 to frustrate the GOP leadership in getting conservative judges approved. I heard that Obama agrees with McCain that Alito is too conservative and that Ginsberg is a "fine judge".
You're right, if we vote for Obama, we will have no one to blame for what ensues.
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you still have it wrong. It is not "Voter For McCain Or The World Will End". It is, "Vote for McCain or Obama will win". |
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judgment of posters like VP,SP,PP,MC, Tazz, and Povidus who have the strategy of electing Obama as POTUS in November? Any sane Republican or conservative should question the judgment of people who are working to elect Obama. That is what VP,SP,PP, MC, Tazz and Povidus are doing. They are trying to help Obama get elected. If that is what the readers want to do (get Obama elected), they should follow the advice of SP, PP, VP, MC, Povidus and Tazz. |
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And you won't be a liberal conservative Republican. |
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you think that JSM is as liberal as Obama. You belong to a very small club of reality deniers. |
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and VP, it is better to have Obama as POTUS than JSM. Judgment like that is what created the Democrat Party. And they call themselves conservatives. |
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"if you want JSM to lose you are not a conservative."
Given: McCain is not a conservative
So let's restate the above: "if you want someone who is not a conservative to lose you are not a conservative"
So is the corollary: "if you want a someone who is not a conservative to win, then you are a conservative"?
Or,
"if you want someone who is a conservative to lose, then you are a conservative"?
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You still don't get it do you? You just can't seem to register in your noggin that McCain belongs to you guys. If he wins or loses you can take the credit or the blame, whichever. We don't care. We have no dog in this fight. We have already lost this battle but we have our sights set on the longer term.
Once you RINO's have a few more years of liberalism (whether by McCain or Obama) you'll come back to the conservative base with your tails between your legs begging us to take you back. Don't be afraid, though. Those of us who have the courage of our convictiopns will continue to fight for your future. |
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I've been posting for 2 years, anyone who has been paying attention can tell you that stopping illegal aliens is my main concern. McCain is on the other side, he wants amnesty. I posted my objections to McCain's candidacy even before he annouced. I will oppose ANY amnesty supporter, regardless of party. The RNC had to have an amnesty candidate, if you want to blame someone for the impending loss to Obama, blame them for foisting an unacceptable candidate on us. |
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You are just being obtuse. Duplicity? How about posting your comments on your own blog so they can be examined and evaluated over time? I did. That is why I can confidently call people like you LIAR! If you want to persuade people, you must have credibility. There are people like you who will never be persuaded despite all efforts. Because of that, you cannot persuade others either. That is why you are a troll. You aren't interested in reasoning your way to a better truth, you just want Republicans to win, even if Obama were the GOP nominee. Go away. |
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if you want JSM to lose you are not a conservative. |
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do you really think intelligent conservatives will follow you into your Obama enlightened wilderness? You are truly delusional if you think people who think like you post number enough to qualify as a political force. |
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tazz is just another Obama supporter. He thinks by claiming to be conservative he will better influence true conservatives. |
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You put me in the same category as Pas Phil and VA Pat? I say thank you for the compliment. You guys think we conservatives are just a few malcontents sore over the choice of the nominee? Just wait and see.
Go over and read many of the responses to Thomas Sowell's column today. We are many and we are not abandoning our principles and values to vote for a liberal. We already have a liberal to vote for, what would motivate someone to vote for the other liberal? |
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I'm not endorsing Ron Paul. Again, you listed issues that Obama is weak on, and I'm showing how McCain does not materially differ from Obama.
The issues:
1. The UN - both support
2. Socialized medicine - both support
3. and 4. go together - one candidate wants to pay for large government by taxing, the other wants to pay by printing more money; both tactics are harmful to American pocketbooks.
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have more reasons to vote for JSM than not to vote for JSM unless they really support the defeat of JSM and the election of Obama. They can run but they cannot hide that they are using tactics designed to get Obama elected POTUS. They will continue to put forth their trite objections to JSM in a vigorous attempt to get Obama elected. That is their main goal on these blogs. They hope to instill dissension and despair among conservative voters knowing that the more dispirited they can make conservatives and Republicans the better Obama's chances in November.
All of their posts and detractions of JSM supporters are abundant evidence of their duplicity. You will know them by their fruits. The fruit they hope to achieve is a Democrat win in November. Conservatives and Republicans listen to them at their own risk.
They are Obama operatives. That is why they cannot come up with logical discussions of the issues. Their assignment is to pick an issue that they know is emotional and try to turn the base against JSM based on a single emotional issue. That is why they refuse to engage is rational discussion. They are simply Obama provocateurs |
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under one philosophy, unless of course only people who agree with you can be considered conservative.
Let us numerate what VP, PP and SP all consider makes a conservative. They must oppose McCain because: he supports McCain-Feingold (I detest McCain-Feingold but people can be wrong); he supports doing something about manmade global warming (I think man made global warming is unproven and also that it is arrogant to think human beings can control the weather); he supports humane treatment of illegal aliens (although he has pledged to build the border fence and also Americans stopped amnesty once and can do so again no matter who is president).
I am probably missing something that they disagree with but how about listing the things JSM plans to do that I agree with. He wants to: cut taxes; reduce the size of government; outlaw abortion; protect the right to keep and bear arms; stop the assault on traditional marriage; appoint Justices to the USSC like Roberts, Thomas, Scaliam, and Alito; agressively pursue the WOT; win the Battle for Iraq; increase energy production in America by whatever means are necessary; keep America safe and prosperous.
Obama opposes all of the things I agree with JSM on and Obama supports all of things that VP,PP and SP disagree with JSM on.
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To brand Tazz as a "racist" and as having "hate" for his use of that colloquialism sounds like something that would come right out of a Democrat playbook. So this type of tactic is what loyal Republicans are supposed to support? |
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"Here is what you want McCain to do:
1. Abandon the UN
2. Eliminate Medicare & Medicaid
3. Allow the 10-yr tax cuts to expire
4. Magically increase the value of the dollar
So in summary - you want the GOP to nominate Ron Paul."
You're wrong on #3. Ron Paul would eliminate the income tax. #4 isn't magic, its basic economics resulting from abolishing a fiat currency. |
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"JSM has pledged to build the border fence. He has heard the American electorate. "
Really? He has also been telling La Raza that it will never be built. Must have been another John McCain.
Other that your personal polemics at me (you obviously never visited my blog) and VP, do you actually have any facts for us to discuss?
In case you haven't noticed, conservatives greatly outnumber you shrill, panicky RINOs. You NEED US. Yet you kicked us out of the party and now are blaming US for not being good Republicans? Grow up pal. You should be contrite and willing to get on your knees and beg us conservatives to vote for you. Instead you not only continue to trash us, you have intensified you attacks. You are like a drowning person.
I used to be a life guard and it was drilled into us in training how dangerous drowning people are. As much as you want to save all of them, some of them will overpower you and take you down with them if not careful. Better to let some drown. I think we have reached that point with the Bush/McCain GOP. The fear-mongering and race-baiting that is working on you isn't working on us. We put principle over party. You try it. Helps you see through the fog you are living in. |
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When do you think McCain will build the fence? It's been at least 2 years already. Where is it? You'd think the United States of America could build a fence as fast as it wanted, wouldn't you?
You'll see the importance of cons, my friend. You Repubs will come back with hat in hand. I've never wanted to end up like Europe's many partied system, but it appears that will be the only solution.
The thing about cons is, we hold to our principles and cannot be threatened since we don't base our lives on who is Prez. At this point in time, we don't care if the Repubs win since we don't recognize the Party anymore. |
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continues to obfuscate in the hopes of getting Obama elected. All true conservatives read between VP's lines and know he is a rabid supporter of Obama. Knowing that he is a true Obama man (maybe even in Obama's employ) no true conservative should give his posts the time of day. |
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No true conservative would work to nominate or elect McCain. |
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it is apparent that neither Pasadena Phil nor Virginia Patriot are true conservatives. No true conservative would work to get Obama elected. |
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leader of the losers. Economic conservatives make up less than 10% of the American electorate. Go ahead lead this minority away from the compromise that makes up the GOP and see where you end up. Most likely on the crap pile of an ineffective minority third party. Good luck with that!!! Economic conservatives have alot to offer the U.S., but alone they are impotent players in the political arena.
Also, I am sure VP has heard this before, but JSM has pledged to build the border fence. He has heard the American electorate. It has been proven that the American people are calling the shots on illegal immigration. A good question is why, knowing this, VP continues to harp on the issue and how it disqualifies JSM for the POTUS. VP and Pasadena Phil both use tactics that person would expect from someone who is trying to demoralize and divide the GOP. They sound more like paid Obama operatives than honest conservatives.
As I pointed out above, both take positions that are nonsensical for anyone other than rabid supporters of Obama. Paid Obama operatives, paid to sow dissension and despair among conservatives and the GOP, do you think?
Any honest observer knows that their primary purpose on these blogs is to diminish the number of voters who will vote for JSM. This is a strategy designed to get Obama elected. |
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Here is what you want McCain to do:
1. Abandon the UN
2. Eliminate Medicare & Medicaid
3. Allow the 10-yr tax cuts to expire
4. Magically increase the value of the dollar
So in summary - you want the GOP to nominate Ron Paul.
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You write, "Yessa massa,...yessa massa!"
Is it common for you, Tazz, to impersonate African-American slaves and their colloquialism?
Your "brand" of humor apparently wears a hooded sheet and hails David Duke as a hero. Racism isn't a valid political view, Tazz. It's just hate.
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Matt: "...they will slowly see the party lurch further and further leftward until we eventually don't recognize the GOP at all."
GOP? What GOP? I see a Republiocrat, but where is the party I have voted for so many times before? Rush Limbaugh talks about for instance a recent RNC ad which plugs for the "global warming crisis", among other things. I can't support this any longer. Sorry JMcC; it looks to me like you don't really want my vote anyway. |
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John makes raises five issues where Obama is weak and I point out how our standard bearer is just as weak:
UN - If McCain would propose the U.S. abandons the UN, I'd probably vote for him;
Socialized healthcare - Medicare and Medicaid are programs that redistribute resources; if that isn't socialism, I don't know what is. If McCain would propose eradicating Medicare and Medicaid, I'd probably vote for him
Rollback of taxes and higher gas prices - again, President Bush signed the rollback into law. A large component of the rise in oil prices is attributable to dollar depreciation. Democrats like to raise taxes and Republicans like to debase the currency, which is just as, if not more detrimental to the pocket book than taxes.
So McCain proposes preventing the tax rate from increasing a few percentage points, but is a willing accomplice in debasing the coin. McCain is no better than Obama and will have to do more to get my vote.
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I never said I'd vote for Osama-Obama,...I've never in my life voted for a "rat",....and I won't start now!
Bottom line, like Phil said,...we conservatives will DENY either one of those two phonies a MANDATE!
So,,,,all of you whiney weenies keep right on "suckin" that hind teat, {McScamnesty}, and see where it gets you, hahaha!
You guys are like sheep being led to slaughter.
Yessa massa,...yessa massa! LMAO! |
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I visit TH and a few other Political blogs because I do care about this upcoming election. I believe the MSM (TV, Magazine, Newspapers) is "in the bag" for Obama with the exception of Fox, WSJ, and Washington Post - who will call out flip-flops and distortions from the Obama campaign.
The only independent mediums that exist today are talk-radio and blogs, where insightful and bubble-up dialogue happens (storylines develop at grass-roots level and bubble up to MSM when enough outlets are hearing about it).
I come here to read insightful commentary, attempt to participate in the bubble-up process, and to engage those I disagree.
I very much oppose the campaign of Obama - perhaps because I dislike snake-oil salesmen who pretend to have noble ambitions masking their singular personal ambitions. For all his warts, John McCain (in my eyes) is AT LEAST a semi-respectable guy (ZERO dollars in earmarks!!)
At the end of the day - I go home to 3 great kids and a beautiful wife. My motto - do what you can, let the rest roll-off the back, and appreciate the good things. |
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If what I think and write doesn't matter, why do you care?
Do you think it will matter when McCain comes in third? Obama (42%) Other (30%) McCain (28%)? If Perot was running this year, he would win. As it is, there will easily be 10% voting "other" this year and that is all we need to deny a winning Obama the mandate he would need to justify your fear that he will actually push ahead on his McCain agenda. Same if McCain wins. The winner will be lucky to get 45% of the vote this year. Presidents used to routinely get 55% to 60+% of the vote, as the system was designed for before special interests pitted the government against the voters. |
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You wrote,
"Republican registrations are down to 22% of all voters. Do you think you have the luxury to make fun of conservatives who account for over 30%. Still laughing? I am!"
Phil - you're a resident of California (Pasadena, no?). Under what illusion do you think your conservative vote will EVER make when it comes to Presidential politics in this state??
John Kerry beat the snot out of GW Bush in 2004 in California - 55% to 44%. Kerry received 1.2 million more votes.
Do you REALLY think what you do is going to make a difference in this upcoming election whether you vote Obama, Nader, McCain or mickey mouse? |
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John, you're a perfect example of what we cons don't like: a fake con.
1. Any real con would never EVER compare anyone or anything to Jesus. That was the worst analogy I've ever seen. Not even Dread could do worse. And it is "Pilate", good buddy. You Dem/libs ought to stay away from religion - you're completely lost. And unless, I see PPhil's face on a coin I don't think he's close to being a Roman Governor.
I believe the others covered everything pretty well from War Troops Withdrawal to the false argument that McCain would nominate conservative judges.
Anyway, I'm never voting Dem/lib ergo I cannot vote for McCain.
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You write, "The country club GOB/GOP/ RINOs have thumbed their noses at me for the last time and they can all go to hell, IMO!"
Awww, poor Tazz, having a hissy fit because you personally didn't get to hand-pick the GOP candidate?
Get angry, Tazz, and vote for Obama! Don't be sensible or pragmatic about life & politics. Go out there and pull the lever for Obama!
That'll show those SOBs. I'm sure Karl Rove right now is watching this TH blog and is bummed out to know you're not happy with the state of affairs.
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Republican registrations are down to 22% of all voters. Do you think you have the luxury to make fun of conservatives who account for over 30%. Still laughing? I am! |
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You write to Eddie,
"Every time you guys try to scare us about Obama, I come that much closer to abandoning 3rd party and voting for Obama."
That is quite funny.
If you're not voting for McCain - WHAT difference does it make who you vote for, Phil??
If you're against McCain - NOT voting for him is the most you can do... which means voting for Obama, Nader, Barr - whoever - won't make any difference.
I actually hope you will vote for Obama, Phil. Be true to your "conservative convictions" and vote for the baby-killing, tax-raising, government expanding Socialist candidate.
Show yourself how important your convictions really are. Vote for Obama. |
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th RINOs sure are sniveling today!
No one can be sure who McScamnesty would nominate for SCOTUS judges, so why does the RINOs ignore the gang of 14?
BS, McScamnesty is a "Trojan Horse", who scammed the system with the help of RINOs and crossover "rats", otherwise, he would never have won the nomination!
Conservatives should boycott the convention.
The Rockefeller/RINO/ GOBs shut out our BEST conservative candidates,....Hunter, Tancredo, Thompson and Romney.
Any one of those guys would have been miles ahead of McScamnesty!
The country club GOB/GOP/ RINOs have thumbed their noses at me for the last time and they can all go to hell, IMO!
The time is NOW, for conservatives to finally put an end to "kissing a**es of the GOP/RINO dictators!
No more, "lesser of two evils"!
GOP/RINOs...RIP. |
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VP, Pas Phil, MaineConservative, etc do not want McCain to win.
Plain and simple - their view is ANYONE but McCain - even if the winner is farther to the left than NARAL, such voters as VP,PP, MC are quite happy.
They call themselves conservatives - yet turn a blind eye to core conservative issues (lower taxes, abortion, military, 2nd amendment, limited government, etc).
Hence the name CINO's (conservative in name only). Count them in the Ross Perot category of effective elections. Where is old Ross anyway?? I guess his supporters got their money's worth. HAHA. |
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With all due respect. If the GOP thinks they can continue to import cheap labor for their donors at the expense of the citizens, they will. I will not vote for that again. If we continue to play the game of "the other guy is worse", we will lose our country. Sorry, but I will not participate in that game any longer. The GOP power brokers think we will vote for "anybody but a Democrat" so they can continue to ignore securing the borders and enforcing the laws. I was hoping GOP primary voters would give the party elites some surprises in the primaries. We never really got the chance. First choice Hunter, second choice Thompson, third choice Romney were all out before VA voted. I wanted to vote for a GOP candidate in Nov.'08, I will not vote for any amnesty supporter. If it takes crushing the GOP so a new party representing American citizens can arise, so be it.
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You persist with that losing strategy but let me repeat it again: It is YOU and the other RINOs who are going to get Obama elected. We conservatives don't care. If you are so desperate in winning our votes, try something else. Fear-mongering and race-baiting is only effective with other RINOs. We don't like Obama being president but want McCain even less. Capiche? Try another tack. Every time you guys try to scare us about Obama, I come that much closer to abandoning 3rd party and voting for Obama. McCain wouldn't be so bad were he running on the Dem ticket but he is the GOP candidate. It wouldn't make any difference to me if the parties traded candidates. We need a 2nd party to challenge the one-party system and we are going to get one. First, we need to take the most offensive party down, the GOP. |
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You may be as well, you wrote:
It will be easy to vote third party, if the GOP abandons its planks on abortion, euthanasia, ESCR and traditional marriage. Why would a social conservative care which of the major parties wins if both have the same positions on the social conservative issues?
All depends on whose ox is being gored, doesn't it?
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I am saying that the U.S. will leave Iraq once it is convinced that it is in the U.S.'s strategic and tactical interests and not before no matter what the Iraqis say. |
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You said,
"Did we not seek UN resolution before invading Iraq? Did we not justify the invasion on Saddam Hussein's violation of previous UN resolutions?"
Getting a UN Resolution (support of other nations) is not acquiessing control of our military. Putting our men and women under the command of UN military leader IS. Do you understand the difference?
You said, "Medicare and Medicaid don't fall under the category of socialized health care?"
Healthcare for the poor and ederly versus UNIVERSAL healthcare for all Americans is substantially different. And let's not mention Medicare/Medicaid are going broke. Obama and those like you supporting his plans would crush the American people with your tax-paid welfare-healthcare for all.
You said, "The rollback is already on the books, already passed Republican House, Democrat Senate, and signed President Bush himself."
The original plan (tax-cut and estate-tax relief) had a 10-year life, allowing the Congress to make these cuts permanent. Obama and the democrats would gleefully allow these tax-cuts to expire, causing a stalling economy to spiral into a full-blown recession. Good thinking, einstein!
Lastly you wrote, "I do not hear Senator McCain advocating abolishing oil company taxes. And 50% of the current increase of the price of crude is attributable to dollar depreciation, something neither President Bush nor Senator"
McCain is NOT advocating a tax INCREASE on oil companies as is Obama. Obama is against drilling, against nuclear, against new refineries.
Can you tell us all what your messiah IS for? (oh wait - we know... selling SUVs, getting rid of air-conditioning, and eating celery. He said so in Oregon).
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I understand that you prefer Obama as POTUS instead of JSM. I do not understand why you ignore the differences between them unless you support Obama's positions.
Obama will win if people do not support JSM. |
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And by the way. Refusing to agree would put us at odds with their government, and be viewed worldwide as an armed occupation that was taking place without an agreement with that country, nor with the UN. And that's a recipe for a civil war the likes of which you haven't even begun to think about. Remember, in a theocratic democracy, the Sistani's and Hakims of the world call the shots - and both have demanded such a clause, which, in common with Sadr, makes this a non-negotiable demand. So, I imagine whereby they could not force us via their military to get out, we could confront the harsh reality that the Shia's would then begin a civil war to force us out with the blessings of their Ayatollah. And that, in turn, would weld them together with the Syrians, Hezbollah, and Iran. |
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The liberals aren't as worried about McCain as conservatives are because they see him as one of their own. He has done more to advance the adgenda of the left than any other Republican. Wake up and smell the coffee. |
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What do you not understand about the phrase "it's their country?" Are your saying it's not? That Maliki is not their elected President, that they have no legislature?
Sorry, my friend, but their demand that we set a timetable was stated publicly today and is on all the shows. Worldwide.
Like I said. It's their country, not ours, and unless we want to now over-throw the government in place - which we'd never do, they are simply deciding to take control and get us to agree to get out.
Judging from your reaction - this is going to shock a lot of people. I often wondered if many really understood the basic fact that a majority of Iraqi's do not want Americans stationed in their country long term.
The great irony of giving them a democracy is that they vote. And they vote for those that represent their views, and in this case, it means they want an agenda for our departure. |
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neither Obama nor any of his supporters are more negative about JSM than is Phil. |
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have you noticed how Phil refuses to engage in substantive discussion? Phil desperately wants JSM to lose. He is no different from the Democrats and Obamacons. For some strange reason, Phil cannot see the differences between Obama and JSM. |
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where do you get the idea it is up to the Iraqis to determine when America withdraws its troops? How do you suppose the Iraqis will enforce their decision? Such nonsense!!! |
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you do not escape responsibility for helping elect Obama by blaming someone else. |
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You said,
"An Obama presidency is YOUR problem."
Ahhh - washing your hands like Pilot did when Jesus was condemned to death saying "Not my problem"?
Wash and wash, Phil. The fact is an Obama Presidency would impact ALL Americans.... at least those of us paying taxes.
So you must support Gay Marriage - as Obama does (wishing to abide by the Ca Court decision)?
You must support tax increases on the oil companies (who will simply pass it through to the consumer) as Obama does?
You must be ok with Late-term abortions and think Born-Alive legislation is a joke - as Obama does?
You're ok with a cut-and-run strategy in Iraq Obama lays out (without having ONE meaningful conversation with our Generals)??
The only way an Obama Presidency wouldn't effect you, Phil, is either 1) you don't care or 2) you already support these measures.
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It is the GOP that is in trouble, not conservatives. We won elections for the Blue Dogs in November 2006 and they fought their leadership to prevent the very things Republicans were already doing but warning everyone a Pelosi Congress would bring about. We are still in Iraq, amnesty bills failed, and we have the glorious return of gridlock. Conservatives are in good shape. We just have to clean house for an election or two, a couple of head amputations and we'll be back.
Meantime, if you feel more comfortable with the Democratic platform, the Democrats are all over it. Take McCain and his ilk with you. If you do it before the election, there might yet be time for the GOP to make something of this year. Imagine Sarah Palin emerging from the convention as the presidential nominee? It would transform the election at a time when the excitement of Obama is already getting old. All it takes is courage to win, something the GOP and its RINO supporters do not have. |
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The bottom line is that Bush and Rove led the liberal GOP parade called compassionate conservatism, and McCain will not slow this drift at all. if there is one hard reality, it is that if Conservtives don't stand up for their principals - the GOP certainly isn't going to do it - let alone McCain.
McCain, in turn, has a new problem, as of today, the Iraqi government and Maliki stated that they wanted a time line for the withdrawal of Americans forces from Iraq included in the forces agreement they are negotiating, and that, according to their Foreign Minister, that it will be 1 to 2 years. This position is much closer to Obama's 16 months, than to McCains recent statement that we could probably be out by 2013.
This announcement fundamentally changes the debate on Iraq, and takes a central plank of McCains off the table. He will not, after all, be prosecuting a war - however long it takes, he will be over-seeing our withdrawal from that country.
What McCain and Bush never understood - is that it is not up to them when our forces leave, it is up to the Iraqi's. And, it is equally not up to us how the Iraqi's choose to govern, it is up to them.
And now they've made it perfectly plain that they want us out of there, and that if we want a forces agreement to remain - we must agree to go.
This follows on the heels of the administrations agreement to permit contract personnel and non-military personnel to be subject to the tender mercies of Iraqi law - not ours.
Now, how many of these will stay under those circumstances?
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A third party (Conservatives)makes for great conversation but there wouldn't be enough participants to do anything other than get more libs elected. Conservative values are dying in this country. Much like other civilizations throughout history we will eventually fall due to abundent wealth, moral decay and government dependency. The future is not a bright one for conservatives. |
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They crossed over in sufficient numbers to nominate McCain too. They got to nominate both nominees this year thanks to the Bush/McCain determination to chase every conservative out of the GOP. Conservatives now outnumber Republicans 30% to 22%. And the Republicans are trying to scare us with Obama fear-mongering and race-baiting? They just don't get it.
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John: Tell us other conservatives who understand no one candidate is a political panacea - tell us how a nation of liberal activist judges helps your cause?
ME: You are convinced McCain would nominate (and fight to get confirmed) the likes of Alito and Roberts? I'm not. Remember, some of the most liberal justices were Republican appointees. McCain has said he thought Alito was too conservative, even though he voted to confirm. If it were him nominating, what would we have gotten?
Tell us how Universal Healthcare for all Americans (legal or not) helps your cause?
ME: Would be/will be a disaster, but what makes you think McCain would not support it? He has made a career of reaching across the isle to work with what the dems want.
Sorry, my friend, I don't see a whole lot to fight for. We already have a liberal party so why would anyone vote for a 2nd?
To be totally candid, I have not totally decided yet, but if the election was tomorrow, I would vote 3rd party.
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I wish that the Republican candidate selection process was more similar to the Democrats this year. Proportional delegate allocation allowed the Democrats to have "buyers remorse" in the latter primaries.
Our winner-take-all rules made John McCain the nominee way too early. Many Republicans are experiencing buyers remorse and the only way to assert it is to post on sites like this, not vote in November, or vote third party. |
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John states an Obama presidency will lead to things we already have:
"Get ready for:
"Government funded abortion" Planned Parenthood already receives government funding
"A military taking orders from the UN" Did we not seek UN resolution before invading Iraq? Did we not justify the invasion on Saddam Hussein's violation of previous UN resolutions?
"Socialized healthcare" Medicare and Medicaid don't fall under the category of socialized health care?
"Rollback of tax cuts" The rollback is already on the books, already passed Republican House, Democrat Senate, and signed President Bush himself.
"Higher gas prices because of the 'brillance' of taxing oil companies" I do not hear Senator McCain advocating abolishing oil company taxes. And 50% of the current increase of the price of crude is attributable to dollar depreciation, something neither President Bush nor Senator McCain seems concerned about. |
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An Obama presidency is YOUR problem. We conservatives don't have a horse in this race. We put principle over party and have no emotional attachment to your precious GOP. We have already explained over and over again why McCain is not a valid alternative and the best you guys can do is come back with the phony GWOT and SCOTUS argument. Open borders and disdain for conservatives nix both of those arguments.
Unlike you, we are not afraid of a couple of years of Obama. It's the price you Republicans will have to pay while you watch us conservatives fix the problems YOUR GOP created.
We aren't making it possible for Obama to be president, McCain is. Get a new candidate and we'll check him out. McCain? Never. |
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do you think some of these posters who are so admantly opposed to JSM are really Obama plants who are trying to create dissension among conservative voters. They sure sound like they are. There opposition to JSM completely ignores what an Obama presidency will bring to us.
Subterfuge is an Obama trait so it would not be surprising if it is one of his strategies to plant JSM attackers on any influential or popoular blog.
Without question, refusing to support JSM is the same as supporting Obama. |
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You may be as well, you wrote:
It will be easy to vote third party, if the GOP abandons its planks on abortion, euthanasia, ESCR and traditional marriage. Why would a social conservative care which of the major parties wins if both have the same positions on the social conservative issues?
All depends on whose ox is being gored, doesn't it? |
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Perhaps the GOP had the majority they had the best of intentions to unify the country and make concessions to the liberals to "work" with them for the good of the country . Conservatives know the leftist dems would like nothing more than to have their proverbial boot on the neck of the GOP. Hopefully, this is a wake up call to republicans everywhere. Your constituents demand your representation and a return to conservative ideals. Stop the drunken sailor spending and move to the right.
I've been a believer of 1 term presidents ever since Bill Clinton. Reagan had Iran-Contra, Bill had the moral "indescressions", and now George has Iraq. By the way, the compassionate conservative is a synonym to liberal. Perhaps he misplaced his line-item veto pen. One can only wonder how beneficial a different republican nominee would've been in 2004 provided it wouldn't have been John. |
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Please explain:
How does voting 3rd party - and by consequence elect Obama as POTUS help your "conservative" cause?
Factor in that convential wisdom shows Dems will take the House and Senate... we'll have Obama and the Socialists pushing through an unobstructed agenda.
Tell us other conservatives who understand no one candidate is a political panacea - tell us how a nation of liberal activist judges helps your cause?
Tell us how Universal Healthcare for all Americans (legal or not) helps your cause?
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What happened, did it get lonely over at the Mormon bashing blog with you, cimarron and Jorangutan wallowing alone in your cesspool?
You're voting for HSM? Care to share with us who that is?
John, you can blame this on conservatives if you want to, but this is not our fault. It's the fault of the GOP who has allowed the dems to choose the Republican candidate.
There is no pet issue. It is a long list of issues:
- McCain-Fiengold
- McCain-Kennedy
- global warming
- Bush tax cuts
- Obscene profits for oil companies
- ANWR
- etc. (the list could go on and on)
I have voted the Republican ticket in every election, and many times held my nose to do it, but this candidate has crossed the line of no return. There is very little there to differentiate the two candidates. Just the fact that McCain is not Obama is not going to cut it. |
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While certainly not the perfect candidate, I trust McCain FAR more on these issues than Obama and a Democrat-lead Congress:
1. Supreme Court Justices (McCain = conservative, Obama = liberal)
2. 2nd Amendment rights (McCain supports individual gun ownership rights, Obama opposes)
3. Tax Policy (McCain = keep tax cuts, Obama = raise taxes)
4. Earmarks/Pork Spending (McCain = less, Obama = more)
5. Military Judgement (McCain = experience, Obama = clueless)
6. Israel (McCain = true friend, Obama = sympathetic to Hamas and Hezbollah)
If you can't see a material difference between these two candidates - then you are blinded by rage over your pet issue. |
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I'm sure you'll do well with your attitude. Have fun with President Obama. |
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in the morning....
Always good to see the proclaimed "conservatives" tearing down the GOP. The world wouldn't be right if the cry-babies weren't on TH spewing doom-and-gloom.
Instead of seeking common ground and win-win solutions (ala Reagan approach), these "conservatives" choose to act like spoiled children complaining THEIR pet issue isn't being handled the way THEY would solve the problem. Take your pick of trantrum material:
- McCain being bipartisan
- Immigration reform
- Immigration reform
- Immigration reform
These conservatives think our Country operates like an XBOX video game where you can press "restart" and everything resets to a fresh neutral beginning.
The FACT is if Obama and the Democrats take control of Congress and the White House - they would push through justices making Ginsburg look like a right-wing-wacko. Hellloooooo - those justices will sit for life.
The FACT is if Obama and the Democrats take control of Congress and the White House - illegals WILL get amnesty AND Universal Healthcare - paid by all of us. You think you're going to kick out the 20 million immigrants and take away universal healthcare once the horse is out of the barn???
PLEASE!
Get ready for:
Government funded abortion
A military taking orders from the UN
Socialized healthcare
Rollback of tax cuts
Higher gas prices because of the "brillance" of taxing oil companies
Folks like this, who welcome these changes because they're upset at McCain, aren't conservatives. They are Libertarian Isolationists who follow the flawed rhetoric of leaders like Patrick Buchanan. You might as well attend the DNC Convention, enjoy the group hug, and shout "Yes We Can". |
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I reject your contention that JSM will govern no differently than Obama. I also stand by my assertion that not voting for JSM is helping Obama win.
Why I will vote for HSM? I like his position on the WOT and the battle for Iraq. I like his position on abortion. I like his position on earmarks. I like his position on balancing the budget. I like his rejection of single-payor health care. I like his support of off-shore drilling, nuclear enegy, and alternative energy. I like the fact that he has suffered and sacrificed for this country. I like the fact that he has vastly more experience than Obama. I like the fact that I know where he stands, even when I disagree with him; unlike Obama who is running away from his past as fast as he can.
It is wrong to say there are no reasons to vote for JSM. |
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I had to register as a Stupid Party member but it was worth it. I only voted for those who I know to be conservative. On the ballot were some great questions like:
Has the Repub party moved too far left?
Has the Repub party done it's best on enforcing immigration laws on the federal level
and some questions about accountability and proper use of taxes. I loved it.
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The Republicans needs all of their constituency groups to win. They especially need their core constituency energized in order to win. And that core is fiscal and social conservatives.
McCain seems to think the center will hold and he can lean out on the edge, reaching for moderates like someone trying to grab the brass ring on the old-fashioned carousels.
McCain may not have lost the base entirely, but they are certainly not energized. I'm afraid we are going to see the most unenthusiastic convention crowd ever at a political convention. Either that, or fist fights in the halls between conservatives and moderate interlopers trying to reshape the party.
For the first time in 36 years I may seriously sit our this election. |
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McCain's candidacy is helping Obama become POTUS. We conservative voters are not the problem, it's the candidate. Why would anyone vote for McCain? Do you ever read any entries here making a case for McCain? No. It's all fear-mongering and race-baiting. They want us to fear Obama-Feingold, Obama-Kennedy, Obama-Leiberman, Obama-McCain-Leiberman-Warner and so on. |
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opposition to ESCR, a constitutional amendment protecting all human life and a constitutional amendment protecting traditional marriage from the GOP platform, they will soon learn how important social conservatives are to their success. They will have, in effect, performed the necessary steps to throw social conservatives out of the Party. The only reason most of the people I know became Republican was because of the Dems embrace of Roe V. Wade. If the GOP does not want to oppose Roe V. Wade and all of the corollary decisions moving America a way from protecting innocent human life and traditional marriage, there is no reason for social conservatives to stay in the Party. Good luck on having a strong political party without the social conservatives.
It will be easy to vote third party, if the GOP abandons its planks on abortion, euthanasia, ESCR and traditional marriage. Why would a social conservative care which of the major parties wins if both have the same positions on the social conservative issues? |
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Bush was never a conservative. We conservatives held our noses to vote for him. Are you not reading the comments we post? Do you not read the polls? At a time when Bush/McCain slashed GOP registrations from 38% of all voters to 22% by attacking conservatives, does it not occur to you that even the RINOs who remain Republicans find Bush unpopular? Either you just arrived or you landed on the wrong Earth. |
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I just heard Bill O'Reilly state that we urgently need a third party and predicted that we will have a credible third party candidate no later than 2012. I know, it's only Bill O'Reilly but you can't make a career anymore shilling for the GOP on talk radio and it's all over for "right wing radio" if they all cave to the one-party system. The ducks, as they say, are beginning to line up. |
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is not the time of Johnson or Carter.
Obama has definitely brought a class debate to the table and while he is attempting to talk center - he would govern left of left of left. If (God forbid) he becomes President - with a Democrat Congress in place - the damage that will be done in so many areas, entitlement programs, foreign relations, not to mention Supreme Court appointments will impact our country for many, many years. Conservatives in general are family oriented people and will be thinking of their children and grandchildren on election day.
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The smart thing would be for the GOP to do a Toricelli and nominate a different candidate at the convention.
But, they aren't known as the Stupid Party for nothing, so they won't.
The RNC has managed to nominate the author of the last amnesty bill. They wanted to make sure that we who oppose amnesty would not have any choice in this election. We do have the option of voting third party or a write in. I intend to exercise that option. The argument that it is cutting off our nose to spite our face does not hold water. If the nose has a cancerous tumor the size of a RINO horn that will kill the patient, the prudent thing to do IS to cut it off.
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With all due respect. If the GOP thinks they can continue to import cheap labor for their donors at the expense of the citizens, they will. I will not vote for that again. If we continue to play the game of "the other guy is worse", we will lose our country. Sorry, but I will not participate in that game any longer. The GOP power brokers think we will vote for "anybody but a Democrat" so they can continue to ignore securing the borders and enforcing the laws. I was hoping GOP primary voters would give the party elites some surprises in the primaries. We never really got the chance. First choice Hunter, second choice Thompson, third choice Romney were all out before VA voted. I wanted to vote for a GOP candidate in Nov.'08, I will not vote for any amnesty supporter. If it takes crushing the GOP so a new party representing American citizens can arise, so be it.
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Conservatives will not have any influence on the Republican party, their hero George Bush made sure of that by his policies. Still, jerks like Michael Medved claim that Bush was a "near great president". The only time that was true was when Bush stood next to Reagan.
The only thing to do is boycott the convention and allow the Republican party to run on a leftist, global warming, big government platform. And let them get clobbered.
The Republican Party is a joke and has been since the Bushes and the rest of the Rockefeller Republicans took it over (it wasn't much even when Reagan was president). They had their chance in 1994 and promptly revealed themselves to be the 2nd Party of Big Government. We don't need two Democratic parties, one is more than enough.
Let the Republican party die, and then start all over.
Don't buy that line that Obama will destroy the country. The US survived 17 years of Johnson, Nixon, Ford and Carter. We can survive anything but when Obama's term is over we will have to actually undo the welfare state, business regulations and monster spending. Republicans like Gingrich who spend all their time praising FDR are not the ones to do it. It will require real courage and that is sorely lacking in Republicans. |
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While Obama was doing the traditional thing of securing the vocal left of the base, McCain was busy trashing us conservatives and then floundering aimlessly while talking out of all sides of his mouth but always pushing a liberal agenda. Now Obama is doing the next traditional thing of moving to the center where McCain has been floundering. Obama can't help but gain ground from under McCain's feet. So where can McCain go? Is he now going to turn to us knuckle-dragging, right-wing extremist, bigoted, xenophobic, small government, secure border conservatives?
Do over. Dumbest campaign ever unless McCain's goal is to win the next Nobel prize for global warming. |
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While Obama was doing the traditional thing of securing the vocal left of the base, McCain was busy trashing us conservatives and then floundering aimlessly while talking out of all sides of his mouth but always pushing a liberal agenda. Now Obama is doing the next traditional thing of moving to the center where McCain has been floundering. Obama can't help but gain ground from under McCain's feet. So where can McCain go? Is he now going to turn to us knuckle-dragging, right-wing extremist, bigoted, xenophobic, small government, secure border conservatives?
Do over. Dumbest campaign ever unless McCain's goal is to win the next Nobel prize for global warming. |
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McCain has lead the way left and it has worked for him. I say he just keeps on doing what he's doing. |
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There is fair from concensus in the GOP on many issues. A debate of the GOP platform is not a bad thing. McCain would be wise not to wade into that fight, but pay attention to it. |
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Thanks for pointing out that conservatives and Republicans are not synomymous. I think there is a time, however, that the Republican Party has veered so far leftward that conservatives may have to abandon ship. That's what I see happening.
McCain has painted himself into a corner with these liberal stances on global warming, immigration, stem cell research and campaign finance, and if he abandons/"refines" those stances to appease conservatives he will be pummelled even more as a flip flopper. He is now reaping what he has sown. |
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