Monday, April 28, 2008
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Time's Joe Klein: Wright Is Out To Destroy Obama
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Posted by:
Hugh Hewitt at
12:21 PM
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Lefty Obama-supporter Joe Klein, from Time's Swampland blog:
Wright's purpose now seems quite clear: to aggrandize himself--the guy is going to be a go-to mainstream media source for racial extremist spew, the next iteration of Al Sharpton--and destroy Barack Obama. UPDATE: MSMer Dana Milbank writes about Wright:
Speaking before an audience that included Marion Barry, Cornel West, Malik Zulu Shabazz of the New Black Panther Party and Nation of Islam official Jamil Muhammad, Wright praised Louis Farrakhan, defended the view that Zionism is racism, accused the United States of terrorism, repeated his view that the government created the AIDS virus to cause the genocide of racial minorities, stood by other past remarks ("God damn America") and held himself out as a spokesman for the black church in America.
In front of 30 television cameras, Wright's audience cheered him on as the minister mocked the media and, at one point, did a little victory dance on the podium. It seemed as if Wright, jokingly offering himself as Obama's vice president, was actually trying to doom Obama; a member of the head table, American Urban Radio's April Ryan, confirmed that Wright's security was provided by bodyguards from Farrakhan's Nation of Islam. UPDATE: Commentary's Jennifer Rubin:
It’s now absurd to contend that Barack Obama never really “heard” the venomous utterances of Rev. Wright. He heard, he understood, and he stayed for twenty years. Whether he did it to gain credibility in the African-American community or whether he actually believed Wright is unclear and unknowable. But it’s dishonest for him to say he didn’t understand the tenor of his mentor.
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"to aggrandize himself--the guy is going to be a go-to mainstream media source" Oh Wright. |
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..that the American punditry--Hugh included--are gossipy and breathless. They talk among themselves too much. It's a shame, because it is worthless chatter (to the extent "worthless" is defined as truthless), but it does distort and change the campaign dynamic (to the extent the it works into prevailing narrative).
Information dominance, man. This tabloid, breathless pundit mentality works completely to the benefit of the tabloid, breathless worldview--which in this country, is to the right. |
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Funny I thought it was Wright who sounded tabloid, breathless, and a complete pundit mentality this morning. There are some who always project the Left's qualities onto the Right. But we'll see what this does for Brother Barry Hussein........;-) |
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You know McCain is quite happy,and Nasticrats are making him happier everyday.
Love and compassion, that's what I think when I read your posts. Do you have any thing good in your life that you would like to tell about? |
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For a minute when Klein was talking about someone who damages his party by being the Star of the Show for the media, I thought he was talking about McCain. lol
And I was wondering the same thing about Kimberlie. Those Dem/libs - what a happy bunch, eh? |
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I just finished watching 10-contuous minutes of the Revrund with Q & A. Interesting piece of work. Very nimble, smarmy, shifty, amusing and obviously bright. Though Joe Klein hits my nausea limiters fast, I think his assessment is accurate in that Barack doesn't seem to be on Wright's list of Concerns. I, too, think from what I just viewed that he's sucking up the national attention like a sponge and believes he can outsmart anyone of the seeming(to him)pygmies who question him. An Egomaniac with little or no interest in aiding Barack. He will ride this press pony until it falls. It is about HIM. Period.
Senator Obama: Condolences, Dude. This Hater Toyer ain't much, but he's ALL he ever thinks about. |
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Kimmy's intellect is daunting, eh?
One of those shrill little vixens at 4th grade recsess smarting over her turn at the jump rope. let's think of her as the Very BEST they've got, shall we.
Or, on the subject of happiness, Rush is fond of asking--rhetorically--his listeners,"When's the last ime any of you saw a happy Lib?" |
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You bet your booties,honey. I am HAAAPPYYYYY!!!!I am healthy,blessed and wise!(the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom)
Good stuff that's what we're all about...my family's helping two African orphans survive, and completely paying a university student's way through school there, we're providing money to dig wells in villages, giving free mediical clinics and medicine to the poor there....I can't wait to get back there this summer and give out Bibles, the Gospel and more encouragment and help them some more!!!
I am living everyday on the grace and mercy afforded me through the love and sacrifice of Jesus. He died on the cross for my sins and rose again and set me free from the bondage of my own decisions and poor choices. I am free because of Him! And He loves you despite your mocking His people who follow after Him...think about it. Will some political leader do all that for you? |
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I would be spending my Sundays with Chris Wallace and definitely NOT with Jeremiah Wright. |
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Whether I get my way or not does not affect my happiness. Jesus saved me even though I certainly did not earn it and I am grateful. That takes a load of worry off. Without that load one can be happy pretty easily. It puts all this temporary stuff in perspective. |
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"When's the last time any of you saw a happy Lib?" Never ever...her description of McCain is just priceless. They always go for the low slanderous gossip, have you noticed? No proof, just slander. I guess that's why Cindy stands next to her husband all the time, he calls her "Cindy". It would be a private personal matter unless you're a Conservative, hahah no privacy anymore....and she calls us hypocrites!
Ya I admit I am a hypocrite cause I will never live up to God's standard,but there why I'm happy, I found grace that makes up the difference!!!Too bad for Kimberlost! |
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It is not only Wright and Ayers, it is the policies, votes, and standards of the Messiah which is causing some poll drops. People are finally, finally starting to see that Obama is just another McGovern , maybe even more nutty and more socialist pacifist that poor George. McCain finally sees that not only Ayers is a huge albatross on the Messiah but Wright is not, not the paragon of theological purity but an extremist. Neither Ayers, Wright or the liberal universities plus CNN, MSNBC and the rest of the lefty bloggers think of the USA as the nation which liberates people not enslaves them. Obama and the lefty DNCers who run that pathetic Party of disunity and socialistm simply have no clue to the value of American history, heritage or freedom that has made America for generations the envy of the world. These morons won't even allow us to drill for oil to save their precious rear ends in the NE when it is too cold for them to peek out of their elite palaces!!! LOL |
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The main event is how a guy who has never had a private sector job, never managed anything, hangs out with extreme radicals and racists, and disses his own grandmother possibly thinks he is going to be President.
The longer Wright sticks in the public square, the more the real issues will fester.
This is like Kerry pretending that telling the truth and asking questions about his military record- that he has yet to answer or deny- is something average people will put up with.
They did not in 2004, and they will not in 2008.
BHO is toast. |
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and Mr. Parsley as brothers in the Lord, and i particularly note that when i see these gentleman on TV in front of their congregations, there are many BLACK faces, and i also note that they have never preached, "white separation" and have NEVER taken the Lords name in vain, nor have they preached that Jesus is black or white or green or any other color, thats because they preach, BIBLICALLY, and they preach that Jesus died for sin, all sin, black sin, white sin, whatever sin, and that he went to the cross, willingly, his Father allowed it, without that, the "Romans" or the "Italians" or anyone else could not have even layed a hand on him much less crucified him, you got that Wright, BUT, on the other hand, the aforementioned, Wright, preaches in front of all black faces, preaches that Jesus is black, that he was crucified by white "Romans", takes the Lords name in vain and consistently preaches "Black liberation" and black separation, in a highly political manner, in fact his sermons are little more than political rallies, WHY, doesn't Hussein Soetoro proudly accept Mr. Wright, kimberly? |
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He's always been something of a Clinton sycophant.
Not that I doubt you....but I don't read much of what the guy writes these days, and it would just surprise me to learn that he isn't supporting HRC. |
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Have you got 15 minutes?
If you do, take a listen to this interview of Pastor Hagee, last week.
Click on this link, scroll down to #11, April 22nd, "H2 Pastor John Hagee". Then click the "listen now" button.
He was interviewed by Dennis Prager.
The first 15 minutes will allow the listener explanation to the heinous claims of Pastor Hagee regarding:
1.) his alleged "anti-Catholicism" comments
2.) his alleged, "slave-trade" activity.
http://www.townhall.com/talkradio/Show.aspx?RadioShowID=3
Absolutely laughable are those who make the above allegations of Pastor John Hagee.
And, proves how IGNORANT they are.
How they follow the LIARS in lock-step, lemmings-like fashion.
Laughable.
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Nice the way the Irreverant Wright tried to justify Black Liberation Theology this a.m, huh?
It would be nice is someone had asked, "If Liberation Theology worked out so well in South America(and it didn't)why wouldn't it be the beacon of hope for the world that all immigrants were trying to get to instead of America, that imperialistic, masses are down trodden source of derision,fiasco? of a country" LOL...just ignore the facts Irreverant Wright, just ignore them. |
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prose stems from the realization that Barry Soetoro's run for POTUS is at "finis". Poor thing, shes in the Soetoro death spiral with him and as such, is quite dizzy, all that "hope and change" and that "we are the one" seems like a few hundred years ago, don't it, "kimba", you just keep telling yourself that all this about Barry, ah, come on, he's "clean and articulate", he never was there to hear those sermons, and hey, he's not "elitist", these white union guys are still gonna' vote for him, and he just has a "different" way of expressing patriotism, something that the heartland will see, experience, well hey, he was an "organizer", that counts, don't it, just keep believing all that, "kimba", and the next sound ya' hear is Hussein Soetoro and the rest of you, who "willfully suspend disbelief" hitting the ground at about 110 miles an hour, SPALT....nothing left but a grease spot...onward "kimba" to Denver and your date with destiny.....a teargas cannister.....BREATHE DEEP, KIMBA.....BREATHE DEEP.....
I just LOVE this democrat primary......just love it.... |
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..with her phony baloney "happiness." Yuk. Her level of smug self-satisfaction makes a grown man blanche.
To my experience, right-wingers are perfectly amiable, to the extent they are filling the room with their persona. But when one says something that crosses them, they turn nasty and personal. |
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Wrong... no smug.
We just love life. For libs, it's who can I control today.
But hey Mr. Wright. (keep talking please) |
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any Conservatives? Or are you somehow confusing "Republican", "Right-wing", "Christian", and "Conservative" as being synonyms?
Seriously, you sound like you've been mislead about a great many things. May I recommend you try to find out where the Conservatives hang out in your area, listen to them, get to know them and what is important to them?
Seehawk disagrees with you, so you claim her happiness is false. Do you know her personally? Are you projecting somewhat of your own?
I think you'll find a great many people who love this country are concerned about the election. Not all support the choices with which we're left. It would be wrong, however, to assume one's personality solely from a subset of their posts on the internet.
I mean, you're not really a shriveled little alcoholic with a serious neurotic disorder bordering on paranoia and a penchant for young boys, are you?
Tell us again about the reasons you use to justify calling yourself a patriot. Give us a reason to believe what you're proclaiming as truth.
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Patriotic Liberal means something directed at him.
I was.
However, ad hominem attacks directed at women are ok in his playbook.
Silly, ain't it... ;-) |
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Hate to say it sir. But PL is your typical Lib.
If you don't agree with them, then here comes the insults.
I live in the Seattle area and O-boy when talking to libs believe me. You agree or look out your the devil. |
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...instead:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/134316
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they post here because at daily kos & huffpo they don't stand out. at hugh's site they get some attention.
they're milquetoast, and they bore us with uncompetitive debate.
it's pointless to debate children. it's equally pointless to debate these leftist posters. |
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Mr. Hagee explains, for all who care to listen, his comments concerning the Catholic Church, during the Final Four in San Antonio, i had the pleasure of attending his Church, Pastor Hagee was not there, as he was in Israel, delivery $6M in aid to that country, a greater friend, Israel does not have, i was extremely impressed with his Church and its members, and by the way many, many black members as well, the same cannot be said about TUCC, having many white members that is, any attempt by the left to equate Wright with Pastor Hagee is quite simply a joke, got that, "kimba"? |
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I am Roman Catholic, I always made the argument that, I have watched Pastor Hagee on TV several times, and have great respect for his knowledge of Bible and love for Israel. Never heard any unkind word against any Christian from him.
From their fruits, you shall know them.
I have great love and respect for Pat Robertson, and Hal Lindsey. I believe, Hal Lindsey, actually could be a prophet for the last days. |
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I listened to the Prager interview. I heard Hagee defend his statement that Katrina was visited on the people of New Orleans by God because of the "sin" of planning to hold a Gay Pride parade. Prager- who was as sympathetic to Hagee as Moyers was to Wright- tried to gently lead Hagee away from this conclusion but Hagee wouldn't give it up.
Anyone who defends this man is defending this view of a homophobic and vengeful God. You defend Hagee, you lose any moral standing to criticize Wright. |
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Brob, it will be tricky for Obama to diss Wright ala Billy Jeff and Sistah Soulh'jer. Obama was not "down" or legitimate enough with the Soul Brothers Who Deem Who Is and Is Not Black (SBWDWIINB). Sharpton is a member for example. Now that he IS considered BlackEnough (John Lewis woke up and switched over), Obama does not want to risk losing his BlacksterCard.
If Obama really distances himself from the Right Rev, the black voters (who vote monolithically regardless of the talk of individuality) and the Guilty White Voters, like yourself, will turn on him and go with the NOW gang member Hillary. She will be the only one left even though McCain is a liberal as well.
Party of the People! hahahahahahahaha
btw-Doesn't Hillary believe in diversity? ahahahahahahhaaha |
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Marystella,
The election in the USA is not a religious occasion. Disregarding your thoughtful prose and poems, it is for a political leader. The Pope, the Reverends, even Hollywood Neo, do not matter, Marystella, and never will. It's about governance in this country. Can you vote? If so, good luck. If not, sweet dreams. |
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"For example, the CBO just scored the Obama, Clinton and McCain budget proposals and McCain's will balloon the deficit FAR BEYOND what either Obama or Hillary propose. Which issue is more important to you: the respective debt each candidate will leave to our children, or whether Obama's retired former pastor thinks AIDS came out of a test tube?"
Reducing the debt we leave to our children is a laudable goal -- but not if it is accomplished by leaving them to face a lifetime of ruinous taxation to fund Obama's socialism.
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Honestly, the egomania of these radical preachers, left and right, never ceases to amaze me. Obama could have taken the easy way out and just denounced Wright from the get-go, but instead he gave a nuanced speech which afforded Wright a way out. And how does Wright return the favor? By crapping all over his former congregant, not to mention fawning over Louis Farrakhan in the process. Man of God, my rear end.
If I were Obama, I'd immediately return the "favor". To rephrase an old feminist saying, Obama needs Wright like a fish needs a bicycle.
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You yahoos who will not address the DEMOCRAT PARTY's official website "smear-job" of Pastor Hagee is deplorable, however, very predictable.
The Democrat Party official website:
"Hagee, pastor of the 16,000-member Cornerstone Church, last week had announced a 'slave sale' to raise funds for high school seniors in his church bulletin, 'The Cluster.'
"The item was introduced with the sentence 'Slavery in America is returning to Cornerstone" and ended with "Make plans to come and go home with a slave." [San Antonio Express-News 3/7/96].
THIS IS A BALD-FACED LIE!!!
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Laborlawyer writes:
"Anyone who defends this man is defending this view of a homophobic and vengeful God. You defend Hagee, you lose any moral standing to criticize Wright."
Why?
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The hungry actions of a Parasite often overwhelm the Host-creature, yet they are not dissuaded because even the consumptive fall of the Host does not end the Parasite's appetite or vigor - they will be fed. |
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In short, Wright's speech on black-right brainers, white-left brainers — replete with bogus stereotypes and crude voice imitations — was about as racist as they come and at one time antithetical to what the NAACP was once all about. Again, the Obama campaign and its appendages have set back racial relations a generation. Just ten years ago, any candidate, black or white, would have rejected Wright making a speech about genetic differences in respective black and white brains. Now it's given to civil rights organizations by the possible next President's pastor and spiritual advisor — and done to wild applause for an organization founded on the idea that we are innately the same, while being gushed over by ignorant "commentators." |
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The Democrat Party official website:
"In his struggle to shore up his base, John McCain has once again cast aside his principles by embracing Rev. John Hagee, saying he was "pleased to have the endorsement of Pastor John Hagee," despite his intolerant comments about Catholics, women, African Americans, Muslims and LGBT Americans. He repeated his support today, saying "I am very proud of the Pastor John Hagee's spiritual leadership to thousands of people…I am not endorsing some of their positions." [McCain Media Availability, 2/29/08]"
Pastor Hagee has made NO intolerant remarks about Catholics, nor African Americans.
IT IS A BALD-FACED LIE.
The Democrat Party is a race-hustling, race-baiting den of Pathetic Liberals.
LIARS.
Pastor Hagee's remarks about Katrina are disappointing and are not supported by me.
THE FACT that Democrat Party officials nor any Liberal on this site hve NOT denounced its own party's LIES about what Hagee is alleged to have said about Catholics, Blacks-----simply shows how pathetic Liberals are on this site in their disengenuous postions regarding McCain/Hagee vis a vis Obama/Wright.
Pathetic.
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laying down the law for us homophobic racists. :-)
I wouldn't know Pastor Hagee if I fell over him, unlike Revrund Wright who has been stretching his 15-minutes of fame for all that baby's worth.
However, here's a good measure of how much merit the anti-Hagee bleaters have in their tanks: He apparently is on TV regularly, year in & year out, and the Lib-Left Democrats and their water carriers in the media haven't come up with anything to hammer the man with. Ya know, LL, for that once that McJuan met with him! Thousands of On-Air Hours and...Nada. Nuthin'. Silence.
Incidentally, the cheap PC-Thought Police term, "Homophobia", is fatuous nonsense. FEAR of homosexuals?? Several of my--now DEAD--gay friends used to laugh & scoff about it often. Slang. |
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There is no God in the voting booth. There is personal responsibility. |
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... believe in tax cuts and higher spending. I believe in tax cuts AND spending cuts.
I believe that MY MONEY AND MY LIFE BELONG TO ME, not to society or to Obama, to be disposed of as he sees fit, to pay for any new socialistic program he comes up with to satisfy the members of the coalition of grievance-mongering, welfare-worshiping parasites that he seeks to "unite".
I believe that all men possess the same right to the pursuit of their own happiness, by means of their own effort. This means that no man can claim any sort of a right to another man's money or property -- and it means no man can have his rights diminshed or negated by being forced to work against his will to provide unearned economic benefits to others. |
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All I can say is I'm glad all this about Wright and Ayers came out now, not after the November election.
Remember Obama presented himself as the uniter, beyond partisan politics and the ONE who would solve our problems and bring us all together.
Now we hear Wright in context, and he is crazier than first thought. Obama has lost all hope of attracting the white working class, those bitter gun toters will now never come over to his side.
And look, the Obama campaign has been silent all day, as Wright is played and replayed, sinking into the colective conscious as a purveyor of hate and division.
Whatever was Obama thinking? |
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You don't like "homophobe"? OK, then how about anti-gay bigot.
I could give a crap what you call him. The man's a disgrace.
Mainstream Catholics don't agree, btw, with the pro-Hagee comments on this website. See:
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=11335
Hagee, Wright: Two peas in a pod. The more you hear their "context", the worse it gets. |
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Hagee is not McCain's spiritual mentor. McCain does not attend his church. And while I am no fan of Hagee, I am definitely not a fan of Wright either. Personally I think Wright's comments are much worse than the most controversial thing Hagee has ever said, but let's just treat them as being equal for argument purposes:
The problem is Wright is a central character is Barak Obama's life. Jeremiah Wright is Barak Obama's spiritual father. Obama named his book after a Wright sermon. Wright was an important figure in Barak Obama's campaign until someone figured out he might be a problem. |
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increased by the expressions of hunger & envy from the usual corner. Read Bill Cross here at 4:02pm, Babycakes. Nails the syndrome dead-on and with enviable brevity.
You and Pricess MaryS have radiated every day here. A true Gift. |
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..can say that God does not have the right to remove His Divine Providence from us if we turn our faces from Him?
How prideful, arrogant, and stupid....! |
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Yes, We will vote on ISSUES
Terrorism
U.S. Security,
U.S. Supreme Court Judges
Second Amendment
Dudley let me count the ways
poetic or none,
all adds up
to
one
Conservative voter
In the boot |
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unscientific, i attended Pastor Hagee Church last month, the sanctuary holds 8500, it appeared to be full, the "many, many" i spoke of, i would estimate at one quarter, although, i have no figures for TUCC, i would strongly doubt whether it has anything close to that, as it is a nest of anti-American, anti-white adherents, also, what is "members of the non-dominant faith" you refer to, i have no idea what you are attempting to say, there, also, anytime the Gospel, the Good news Gospel is truly preached, that message is one of inclusion, never exclusion, my own home Church is prove of that, although we certainly DON"T count, easily 35-40% of our congregation is black, our Church is in an older area of town, and the Church has been there since 1938, on a side note, i played college basketball at a major University, one that contends for national championships every year, my senior year, of the 12 scholarship athletes on the traveling squad, i was 1 of 4 who were white, my roommate in the athletic dorm was black, i spent a lot of time at his home and he spent much time at mine, i was and am still very close to all of them, because of this association, i've had the occasion to attend several black Churches, and none of them preached this so called "black liberation" theology, also, i attended Pastor Hagee Church with 3 of my former teammates, all black, although none of us count, thats left to liberals. |
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There is one distinction between making the claim that a known, established event (Katrina) was the result of a supernatural entity -- and making the claim that a democratically-elected, secular organization has targeted your race for extermination. Both may be “nutty” claims, but the former is relatively harmless since it can be ignored by anyone who so wishes -- whereas, the latter is being used as (part of) a campaign demanding secular policy changes in the form of using government force to provide economic benefits to one’s race, benefits to be paid for by taking other people‘s money.
The former doesn’t threaten me; the latter very well may. |
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Dudley
Conservative issues
will prevai
Terrorism
War on Islamist Jihadism
Middle East, Iran Nuclear quest
The Courts
Supreme Court Judges
Second Amendement
again Dudley, Second Amendment
How Poetic they sound!
music to my ears,
all conservative issues
conservative values
conservative culture
yes culture of conservatism
will prevail
Poetic
sweet justice! |
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...that no "sound bites", nor, "snippets" of Pastor Hagee sermons exist----that the Democrat Party, and LOSER LIBERALS do not offer Wright-esque proof or documented examples of teh alleged hate-speak Hagee is said to have directed towards BLACKS and CATHOLICS.
These sermons do not exist. These ugly HATE sermons are nowhere to find---SO---the DEMOCRAT PARTY simply says something about Hagee hoping it will stick.
And, when the Democrat Party says something to its Lemmings, they follow right along. When the Democrat Party throws crap up against the wall---it only sticks for those in the party who walk, lock-step with the party elite. What a bunch of Loser Liberals to create stories from nothing----NOTHING. Pastor Hagee never said what is alleged to have been said about CATHOLICS. Democrats don't care---they just want something to attack with, something to balance the INCREDIBLE guilt they feel over one of their cherished candidates having as "spiritual advisor", a hate-monger, race-hustler, conspiracy-theorist. Democrats want to BELIEVE that Pastor Hagee's alleged comments about 'slave-trading' was true. DO they investigate it for themselves?
NOPE--they don't have to. Their beloved party officials said it, so it has to be true.
What a freakin' joke. What a pathetic bunch of LOSER LIBERALS.
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.... violence begetting violence is incomplete.
Some of the most extreme violence the US ever committed resulted in long lasting peace and far less "violence". I'm referring to what Sherman and Grant did to the Southern confederacy and what the US military did to Imperial Japan and (to a lesser extent) Nazi Germany. The results of THAT violence was the freeing of the slaves and the transition of two war-supporting populations into peace-supporters, allies and valuable trading partners. |
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Hagee comment. I think McCain denounced it about 15 times in a row, then went to New Oreleans and criticized the Bush Administration for its screw ups (although I think he also should have criticized Blanco and Nagin more).
I am no fan of Hagee. And I disagree that God punished New Orleans with a storm (or rather faulty levees poorly constructed by the Corps of Engineers and its contractors). But whether you find Hagee's comments the equivalent of Wright's God Damn America and the USA invented AIDS--Hagee is not John McCain's pastor, mentor and spiritual daddy. Jeremiah Wright is that person to Barak Obama. Obama said yesterday that questions about Wright were legitimate and Wright paid him back by seemingly trying to derail Obama's candidancy.
Even Bill Maher the other day on Real Time called Wright a name that sounds like the old fashioned word for Private Detective (and that was only for the rather mild comments with Bill Moyers on PBS).
I suspect Barak Obama will survive this, however, by further distancing himself from Jeremiah Wright. For all we know, this may all be orchaestrated . |
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And he (Wright) vigorously renewed demands for an apology for slavery: "Britain has apologized to Africans. But this country's leaders have refused to apologize. So until that apology comes, I'm not going to keep stepping on your foot and asking you, does this hurt, do you forgive me for stepping on your foot, if I'm still stepping on your foot. Understand that? Capisce?"
If elected, how soon do typical white Americans start paying reparations under President Obama? |
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would use the Lords name in vain, and use it from the pulpit, suggests that this man is not a Pastor of the Gospel, but a pastor of a political movement, the black separation movement, and i've got a news flash for you white liberals, that means separation from you TOO, but look, Soetoro is unelectable, the only question is will the supers throw him over board and risk all H....E....L....L...breaking lose in Denver, either way, you liberals have NO chance in November, your fried, so all this Hagee, Wright talk is academic. |
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themselves.
Simply repeat what the party elite say.
All bow to the DEMOCRAT PARTY, all-knowing, all-seeing.
If they say Pastor Hagee preached hateful comments about Catholics, it is TRUE.
If party elites---or, anyone for that matter, say Pastor Hagee preached hateful comments and conducted hateful activities hurting blacks---it is truth.
Their truth.
False truth.
The only truth they know.
The truth they LOVE.
The truth they embrace with emotion, with all of themselves. A religious kind of truth.
Yep, Loser Liberals.
Follow the lead of the Democrat party.
Whatever it desires. No matter how despicable.
Being a Loser Liberal means NEVER having to say, "I'm sorry". No Liberal will ever apologize for the LIES told of this Pastor Hagee. NONE.
They will only go on to the next subject, the next bunch of crap.
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Can someone here remind me how much Obama gives to Rev. Wright every year? |
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Brob, speaking of counting blacks I know you can count on one hand how many you live near. lol. |
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from the WaPo, Dana Milbank:
'American Urban Radio's April Ryan, confirmed that Wright's security was provided by bodyguards from Farrakhan's Nation of Islam.'
Question: if elected, would President Obama retire the Secret Service for NOI protection?
We are having just too much fun with this. |
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I love when you tell us all about two things you know little about: Blacks and Christianity ahahahahahahahahahaha! Wait, wait, you SEEN it on TV, right? ahahahahahahahaha!!! Oh my stitches.
And tying Hagee, who actually can back up his statements in the bible and often does, with Wright is ludicrous, which is to say - your style. Show me in the bible where God is not only black but that He IS a respector of persons. I'll wait while you google all that. lol.
btw- NIV is easiest to understand while still staying true in translation. |
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Some people fear God more than Dem/libs, friend. |
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Are you out of your mind? I know tons of conservatives. I have several highly valued friendships with conservatives. My closest brother (the family black sheep) has been a conservative Christian for thirty years.
As for Seehawk, I have been on the receiving end of la Cubana's patronizing snark for longer than I care to remember. And one recurring theme of hers is that conservatives are "comfortable in their skin" while liberals are "bitter."
My experience is that people have a finite amount of "niceness." Conservatives are kinder interpersonally and liberals are kinder in the abstract. Which is a credit to conservatives. But I have also noticed that many conservatives become nasty and sour when they are no longer able to fill the room with their persona. Not all, but way too many. And those of us who are kind-hearted both interpersonally AND in the abstract--why, we are the annointed of God. |
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in a small Northeastern town like in Vermont or some place. ahahahahahahaha! Wait, some of your best friends are black! ahhahahahahahaha Go back to your literacy polls where you can point to stats and you don't have to form thoughts longer than from Point A to Point A. lol |
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Mother Jugs and New Republic doesn't count. hahahahahaha |
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Smarter and better read than others are often anything but.
Nothing but words.....hot air.
And, Loser Libs, they really do not need to be smarter and better read than others---they've got the Democrat Party to look to for everlasting wisdom.
The Democrat Party says something, it is gospel.
The Democrat Party claims someone like Pastor Hagee made hateful claims, untrue claims, about Catholics. Yep, has to be with Liberal Losers.
The Democrat party claims that Pastor Hagee engaged in hateful "slave trading" activities. Has to be. Democrat Party said so.
MSM even says so.
Are there videos to substantiate these claims?
Well, no.
Do audio recordings exist to corroborate the allegations of the Democrat party?
Uhhhhhh, er, I mean, well, no.
So, Pastor Hagee spewed HATEFUL, UNTRUTHS about Catholics and these are not recorded?
Well, no.
Yep, Loser Liberals, just like the Lemmings they are, scampering over the cliffs to their demise.
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..are only joking. But those who fume and foam show the world what they are.. |
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Cross did nail it! The Left are getting very aggitated, by all this commotion...heheheheh
LL have your ever heard of Sodom and Gomorrah??? |
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For the LIES spewed by the allegations of his DEMOCRAT PARTY's official website?:
1.) LIES about Pastor Hagee running a slave trading, in-your-face event directed at blacks?
No, Laugher Lawyer does not have to apologize. He is a Liberal
2.) LIES about Pastor Hagee spewing hate-filled, UNTRUTHS about CATHOLICS?
Nope, Laugher Lawyer is not held to apologizing. He is a Loser Liberal. |
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I'm glad you moved, good buddy;) Proceed with your inanities. |
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"You know nothing about me, personally . . . other than I am smarter and more well read than you."
the last part of this sentence reflects the need behind the need of this particular leftist poster.
it's the need to feel superior, and that he's part of an enlightened movement that is going to shape the world in its vision, and by golly everybody at hugh's place needs to know it.
when he doesn't get affirmation from the board he keeps pounding away hoping somebody acknowledges his brilliance.
yawn. |
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It's almost like, what's the point? There is no historic perspective in here. These are folks who think that "Sodom and Gommorah" is a lesson of history. |
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you know less about faith than you know about economics, and you know nothing of the latter, your comments concerning any denomination is laughable, you have absolute disdain for faith, and it is only surpassed by your disdain for decency, oh, i find it comical that you are now mimicking that comment style of the dearly departed "mctex", you really are insecure, aren't you, ah, but i digress, responding to someone like you, well, the Bible puts it best when it says, "do not cast your pearls before swine", let me ask this, blojob, do you realize that your candidate is now, today, dead in the water, do you know this, or do you still believing that that vaudeville act of "hope and change" is still fooling them, because you come on this board and act as if you are utterly clueless, it's over, blojob, "finis".
if you keep up this comment style up, we may have to start calling you, Mrs. Mctex.....onward to Denver and the miscreant convention.....teargas for all....come. blojob, it's your kinda' party....and remember, BREATHE DEEP.... |
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So, no-violence will prevent violence? Like in India with Ghandi? Like in Tibet right now? Like the people in the Towers who were being peaceful and working? Like when Christ was nailed to the Cross? When and where is the magic place where men don't do evil things because someone is peaceful towards them? Unbelieveable that we three come from the same country. You know you have the freedom to learn here, right? You don't have to take what KOS and Ariana spew out.
Here is the link to crime rates in major cities. The majority of these cities are run by good, smart Dem/libs like you guys. God has even been removed from the public square in most of these places (you know how violent Christians are). Now, why, based on your theory of peace and violence would bad men do bad things in such paradises? They have everything geared towards their well-being.
The Amish live pretty peacefully but they actually take God seriously so you certainly can't live there. Hmmm. There must be some place where there is no God AND it is peaceful. |
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http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004902.html
sorry forgot to place it. |
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Hillary is up 9 points. Boy all those democrats that put the knife in the Clintons back must be sick.
Why do I think Hillary will be looking for revenge ? |
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I was just thinking that the other day:) It will be fun to watch payback time. You don't cross the Clintons. Something bad might happen. |
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Isn't that down from the 16 point lead she had in the same poll earlier this month? You're talking the SurveyUSA poll for Indiana, right? |
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You know, you might be a nice guy. I know you're a Dad. But you sure are a surly and dark presence in here. Sheesh. What a lowlife.. |
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I disagree with PL because I know what you know about God and about Hagee. Hagee's a great man. I'm still trying to reconcile his beliefs about Jews and the afterlife though. Very interesting and I hope he's right. Have you read "In Defense of Israel"? I'm reading it again to clarify a few things. My wife is a Chaplain and she has big doubts about his beliefs on that issue. |
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You misunderstand the argument. No one is saying turn the other cheek to the world--although Christ did, with some historic success.
We are saying that force carries its own set of consequences--that you do NOT necessarily win his heart and mind when you have him by the you-know-what.
And btw, the mere fact that Dems are tribunes for the poor and the disadvantaged does not make them responsible for their poverty and disadvantage. That does not follow. |
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I agree that we cannot force people to live like us. But I get tired of the lumping in of the poor, huddled masses yearning to be free (in concentration camps, France, Iraq etc) with the scum whom we ARE trying to kill just because they live in the same area. Know what I mean? That argument is simple-minded and full of it. I agree fully that force does not change hearts. But it damn sure gives those that want it a chance for a better life when you get rid of the bullies.
Dems as tribunes. What cons are trying to get you to understand is that your good intentions have trapped whole generations of families in poverty. I believe we argue over the method to relieve poverty. You guys blame Repubs for some slob's plight. It is ridiculous and a non-sequitor. |
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Wasn't that Obama's explanation for picking him as a mentor/pastor? Well then, Wright has clarified his views, his influence on Obama and why Obama has tried to distance himself from Wright i.e. political expediency. Can somebody say - Mitt's story all over again. Harvard Law School has a curse and it's what Mitt and Obama share - religious issues that raise questions about their authenticity and allegience to the flag given their thelogical beliefs and the influence of their spiritual community. Uncle Wright is being himself - he must tank Obama's candidacy so that his message of 'white' america being against 'black' america can take root. If Obama was nominated, it would end Wright's 'ministry' to the poor black folk. Wright needs blacks to believe that they do not have a seat at the table - and Obama's candidacy is not good for his, or Farakhan's message of 'equal but seperate'. So, it is true, uncle Wright is purposefully spilling the beans. Of course, he will argue that Obama was already loosing support from middle class white americans in PA so all he did was remind Obama 'what time it is' in a bid to continue mentoring him about 'white america'. |
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...as we've said until it can't be said anymore. Nor, is it worth the air & key time.
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My good buddy David Axelrod made a Freudian slip and referred to the Obama campaign in the past tense. On Hardball he said our campaign was about.............
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Actually no. If you read the poll she started the month of April up 9 points. Obama gained on her in the middle of the month. Now with the Pa. win and the reverend she's back to nine points. Sorry loser. |
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I do also live in Northeast of Ohio, not in Shaker Heights, let say that is located on the East side of Cleveland, I live on the West side.
Shaker Heights, mostly elite, affluent, upscale, Jewish neighborhood.
It is also integraded, by African American as well. |
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I looked it up. It is 34% black. I'm proud of Brob for moving out of Rhode Island;) Next, I'm hoping he actually attends a church or talks to Christians in real life. I hope he hangs out with them and not just gives them an interrogation. |
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I believe it was Brob who said they lived in Shaker Heights, OH. I'm not sure where ScarletPimpernel is, but I don't think it's OH. |
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Correct, we were discussing Brob.
Shaker Heights, is an upscale neighborhood!
Of course, it depends where you live!
I thought Brob was married to a doctor? |
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A lot of these people AGREE with Hagee concerning Katrina!
Sodom and Gemmorah? Really now. That'll play well with 80 percent of America. I suppose we should go back to raiding gay bars and arresting gay folks. So much for liberty. |
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a lot of people believe the bible. Are you going to make a run against it? Why not go all the way? Just come out as you Dem/libs are. Oh that's right - when you're honest (McGovern, Mondale, Dukakis, and Howard Dean) you get slaughtered.
If you read the Old Testament God took care of a lot of problems himself so that particular notion is not far-fetched. Ask yourself why Israel and Jews are still here if God does not intervene at times? |
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On the other non-religious hand maybe the disaster of New Orleans was caused by Dem/libs being dumb enough to live below sea level and then not take care of the levees. You Dem/libs sure can party though! |
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As i write this Im listening to Hugh's show. Repeat i guess. Wright is speaking at the NPC.
Wright appears to be sounding as radical as he can. I get the impression he knows how bad he is making Obama look and doesn't give a rip.
Nothing more dangerous than a Reverend scorned. |
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That might play well in your little coffee Klatch; not here.
ScarletPimpernel speaks for me on this one. SO, Mr. Turn-your-face-from-Obama's-racism, if you're going to crucify me for taking a dim view of that which "went down" in New 'Awlins on Ray Nagin's watch, and in Governor Blanco's backyard---you best crucify me for the proper charges, lightweight.
God are you dense. |
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innoculate babakazama...letting it all hang out now.
What is telling is that babakazama himself, clearly at odds with many of the dimocrats chimps posting here, has stated that this is a legitimate political issue.
On to Denver!
http://www.recreate68.org |
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I would much rather lose with honor than win dishonorably. If that makes me a loser, fine. But as for Barack, you'll forgive me if I don't take your word on that. We'll just see how the unknown future plays out.
As for this election, the way I see it, the "conservative base" is already the loser--as McCain is barely even a Republican. |
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You're right. You can't run against the Bible. Which is why Bible believers have been jacked around by Republican bosses and the Red state elites for so long. They are able to use the Bible to convince these people to vote against their own interests and the interests of their country. |
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Red State, elite?
I thought blue States were elites!
The Bible reading Gun tooting people just do not count as elites.
Religious people, usually are very humble and usually mind their own little world, unless those liberal blue state entelligent elite start dictating them how to run their life.
That is when they wake up! and put their Bibles down, and........
OK? who are the bosses?
We Republicans are so messed up.
Pleasant dreams! |
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You are a liberal elite SNOB
YES, I HAVE BEEN VOTING SINCE
MY BELOVED PRESIDENT REAGAN.
My vote counts 3
3 convservative vote
From my Household, then I also have conservative friends and neighbors, and around election, I do become very active, or should I say
pleasantly active. |
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Using Louis Farrakhan's security detail says it all for me! As usual Wright is wrong! |
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If I remember correctly, it was reported that BO's most recent tax return stated that he gave something like $26-27K to Wright's church last year. That's somewhere in the neighborhood of $500.00 per week. That's a pretty fair amount for a Senator who never heard any of the sermons. Of course, he could have made a one time donation after the royalties from his book came in. After all, he did owe Wright something for inspiring the title "Audacity of Hope". Wasn't that the title of one of Wright's sermons? These 2 deserve each other. I don't have enough words to express how I feel about both of them!!! Somebody please reassure me that this guy will never be elected POTUS. |
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I see politics as a battle between conflicting elites. Normal people are, like you say, humble and mind their own world. Their political engagement is basically a matter of deputizing, so to speak, one elite or another to speak for them. So you have elites across the spectrum. I would say the red elites are much more politically effective, while the blue elites are better at government. Naturally, I don't expect you to agree. But I WOULD encourage you to see "elitism" as the currency of the body politic--everyone is too darn busy to stay with it 24/7. |
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The guy has a very good chance of becoming President. It could be that at this moment, America is choosing her President, and the general election will be an after-thought. One never really knows until after the fact--notwithstanding the idiotic blatting by your colleagues. |
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"voting against our own interests" - how condescending and wrong-headed. We cons don't look to Uncle Sam to pull his sweater down for us to suckle on. And besides, where do you think the tax money comes from? Someone has to work. I can't believe you don't understand what a house of cards socialism is. And you do realize that some rich or powerful person will still be in charge?
name me a country that has taxed itself into prosperity cause that's what you're driving at with this "for your own good" nonsense. |
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Obama needs to explain this relationship.
First he said the pastor was not invited to Springfield for Obama's predsidental announcement. Now the reverend says he was invited and he was there.
Obama stated the pastor apologized for all the negative sermons. This was a big lie. He never apologized.
Obama stated he never attended a sermon where the pastor had preached this kind of hatred.
This pastor does not apologize and has made it perfectly clear this is the only thing he preaches about. This is the preachers whole persona. Hate and victimization. It is obvious Obama lied again. He not only condoned this trash but indoctinated it into his children.
OK Obama it's time to come clean. |
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On the contrary, suckling on Uncle Sam's teat is what you Boomer conservatives do best. Your side cut taxes, but lacked the character to cut spending.
Also, we are all democrats, we are all capitalists. America practices democratic capitalism. Spare me the "socialist" crapola. I simply resolve the contradictions between democracy and capitalism differently than you do.
Finally, you'll agree that there is an objective national interest, regardless of your opinion or my opinion. Assuming that you agree to the objective nature of moral reality, then you will also agree that recognizing and acting in accordance with the national interest is not a given, that people may misperceive--in all earnestness--the courses of action that best serve the country. Call that "condescending and wrong-headed" if you will. I call it "realistic," and if we had greater fidelity to rational discourse in this country, there would be less people like you, pandering to low-brow conceits. |
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BO just completed his news conference separating himself from his mentor, Rev. Wright. He looked completely whipped! Drained, no energy. I just kept thinking that he is an expedient opportunist. He joined Wright's church to get credibility in the black community and support from its membership in his beginning political career. Now, after weeks of controversy, he has realized what an albatross Wright is to his political future and has thrown him under the bus just like he did his white grandmother. Can't wait to see Wright strike back as he has gotten hooked on the limelight.
At this point, I think BO has no political credibility left. Many blacks will not like his turning his back on Wright, and independents will see him for the self-centered politically ambitious man he really is. He's nothing special. Hope and change have turned into despair and same old, same old political behavior. All this Wright stuff along with his ever-loving wife's comments, the Bill Ayers issue, etc, etc, will just create too many groups that will have been offended by him and his associations to ever vote for him. Even the super delegates may turn their backs on him after all this and reluctantly go back to Hillary even with all her baggage.
I think McCain got lucky and was in the right place at the right time in the Republican primary and may have the same luck in the general. |
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He looked demoralized alright. Not for the reasons you divine, but because it is hard to be a good man in public life these days. We are a generation of swine, as Hunter Thompson said. Just look at our media, our political operatives, and our pundits. A generation of swine. |
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Jackson and Sharpton can't be pleased to be losing some of their precious limelight.
With the DNC noisily imploding, can McCain actually win this thing??? |
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Using $10 words and talking in measured terms does not mask socialist agendas. We disagree on the what's best. I say encourage people to be self-reliant, have respect for their country and the rules, be responsible for their actions etc. This is all self starting behavior. You want the government to do for people instead. That is ridiculous and dangerous. It is stupid because it's been tried before with disastrous results.
I agree that we've spent too much. time to turn right again. Outside of the War, most tax payer money is wasted. |
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Hey, from opposite sides of the political spectrum we find agreement. I don't loose any sleep or love over the media, political operatives, or pundits. Most are members of a cottage industry that is built on self-aggrandizement.
But surely you are not implying that BO was not thinking of himself today. He was salvaging a sinking ship. He could have said what he said today weeks ago. He even said that Rev. Wrong was not being fair to HIM and HIS campaign. With these 2 guys, it's all about them, all the time. They're like two teenage girls. Egocentric and narcissistic to the max.
I'm becoming more and more disillusioned regarding any political candidate. I used to be trusting and I guess naive in thinking that our leaders actually had America's best interests at heart. But, more and more I believe that they're in it strictly for the power trip and it beats the life of having a real job. Someone more clever than me once said politics is Hollywood for ugly people. Both depend on fawning adoration to keep their blood pumping and will say and do almost anything for the fix.
Sorry for being so cynical tonight, but when I think of our choices this year it's difficult to see any one of them that really has a set of principles by which they plan to guide America through troubled times. |
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