What I know of Bob Barr so far, I like. I do not agree with his policy on Iraq, but healthcare, education, tax, and immigration I am completely on board!
He needs to get out there and let everyone know who he is and what he stands for! There is more difference between him and McCain and Obama than there is between Obama and McCain. He is more conservative than McCain as far as I can tell...I am still looking more into him.
But at least we have more choices now and more clear of a choice! (and this is coming from a McCain supporter...)
No one wants to vote for the lesser of two evils. It is pathetic than in a country as large as ours that THIS is what we have to choose from...Let's see what this guy has and how badly he wants it! |
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One of Bob Barr's strongest supporters (and a blogger). What a slap down. I bet he even contributed to his campaign. |
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You are right on. I also do not agree with Barr on every issue, but I agree with him on more than I agree with McCain.
It is important for people to understand that there are more choices than liberal and liberal-lite. |
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I haven't decide whether Baldwin or Barr will get my vote, but I have known since 2006 (McCain/Kennedy I) that McCain would not. Any candidate who will not uphold the laws of this country does not deserve to be elected.
You simply CANNOT have national security if you will not defend your own borders or enforce your own laws. Foreign nationals numbering in the thousands are entering our country at will daily. John McCain has done and will do NOTHING to stop it. Don't believe me? Ask Juan Hernandez!
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The RNC has managed to nominate the author of the last amnesty bill. They wanted to make sure that we who oppose amnesty would not have any choice in this election. They thought they could put conservatives in a box and force them to vote for amnesty. They were wrong. We do have the option of voting third party or a write in. I intend to exercise that option. The argument that it is cutting off our nose to spite our face does not hold water. If the nose has a cancerous tumor the size of a RINO horn that will kill the patient, the prudent thing to do IS to cut it off. Now that the RINO's realize they are going to lose without conservatives they are in full panic mode. |
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Matt just posted that the two are kissing again. So the dynamic trio, McCain-Hernandez-Gramm are back! Worst campaign/candidate ever. |
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You know you are a star when you start attracting your own personal trolls. Creepy.
By the way Matt, it might help for TH to get invited to these things if you guys aligned yourselves more with conservatives than the GOP. The GOP is treating conservatives just like King George III treated the Patriots when in January 1776, he declared the colonies to be no longer in the good graces and protection of the crown. He was betting that the colonists would hold their noses and fall in line. That is why the Declaration of Independence was so important. We made it clear that we were not a nation of nose holders.
I believe that you really are a conservative. This will be much more enjoyable for you were you to declare your independence. Don't you get the feeling that the political landscape will be very different after November? Do you really believe that the GOP will survive as a competitive "A" team party with McCain at the helm of the Titanic? The ship is sinking and it hasn't even hit the iceberg yet! Save yourself now! |
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http://www.ktar.com/?nid=6&sid=877515
This is the national security titan? Wake up Joe! McCain is more like your idol Montgomery Burns than Teddy Roosevelt. |
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What a pity,he has some good ideas too bad immigration reform and securing the border aren't some of them.He has recently changed some of his thoughts on the border but why would I vote for some one who is worse(if thats possible)on the border problem than McCain. |
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both want Obama to win in November. Take whatever they say with a grain of salt. |
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Barr is against amnesty. Not worse than McCain. We need Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement, not reform. The system isn't broken, the laws are being broken by illegal aliens and no one will enforce them. The system works for those willing to use it. Those who choose not to apply for proper entry, enter illegally and commit crimes (identity fraud, etc.) to continue their illegal presence should not be rewarded. |
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How can someone who wants borders enforced and is against amnesty be worse than the architect of the open-borders blanket amnesty effort? The bill was called the McCain-Kennedy Bill, not the Barr-Kennedy Bill. There isn't even an inch of wiggle room to have a discussion over. |
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Find one post of mine that says I want Obama to be elected. You can't read, can you? I am opposed to BOTH the GOP and Democrat candidates, as they are both in favor of rewarding illegal aliens with amnesty.
Who actually believes McCain has any intention of building a fence? How will he enforce new laws when he wouldn't enforce current laws? Will the people breaking current law comply with any new law? What will we do if they don't?
Who actually believes, that when McCain delivers on his promises to citizens of other countries illegally in our country, that they will vote Republican? Another amnesty will result in Democrat majorities for decades. How stupid do you have to be to import voters for the opposition at the same time you alienate your own voters? If the GOP surrenders our sovereignty and abandons the rule of law, they will find in November 2008, that they still have their big money/cheap labor donors, but they do not have voters. GOP-RIP |
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say what you want but we cons didn't select McCain, who can't even challenge the worst candidate ever to run for Prez excepting Harding.
You guys are the ones who want Obama to win. |
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I gave MKH this advice several weeks ago: carve out your niche as a real conservative reporter. There is a huge gap there. The TH magazine and Hugh's other merchandise aimed at the center-right Repubs and Moderate Dems is a loser. |
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it will be either Obama or McCain. Your vote will help determine which one wins. You cannot escape responsibility by blaming others. |
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As P Diddy would say, "Vote McCain or die!" That is not effective. |
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I did not even intimate that a person should vote for JSM or die. I said that a voter cannot avoid responsibility for the outcome by blaming others. Whatever decision a voter makes it will help determine the outcome. If Obama wins and you did not vote for McCain, you have contributed to Obama's victory. |
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I was not trying to persuade you. I know a closed mind when I read its postings. It is futile to try and reason with a closed mind. |
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When I look at my ballot in November, I'm pretty sure my vote for Barr will show up in Barr's totals. It's like Barr says, it's not his fault if many voters don't want to vote for the other candidates. Maybe McCain is the spoiler in this race and you should switch your vote to Barr because by voting McCain, you are actually voting for Obama? Makes just as much sense as your argument. I am not any more fearful of an Obama presidency than I am of a McCain presidency. Both will take us to the same place but with Obama, Republicans in Congress can fight from day one BEFORE the program is put in place. They can fight Obama, they can't fight McCain. |
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Both you guys make very compelling arguments,and you are more informed on Barr than I.Maybe he has changed his stance on the border since the time I researched him but than so did McCain which means I don't trust either of these candidates to do the right thing.Bottom line is I don't have a dog in this race.The only question remains:How much damage to the country would an Obama victory bring? |
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Stop blaming the thinking conservatives for your choice of candidate. You picked him, you sleep with him. I'm not part of this piece of... history you are carving out. You can't drag me down with you.
As for Matt - It's funny that you, a McShame supporter, are poking fun at a blog named "The Moderate Voice". As far as I'm concerend, you two are one and the same.
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Maybe not as much as a McCain victory. The GOP congresscritters would tend to roll over for his liberal agenda, they would fight the same things from Obama. |
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What confuses people about Barr on the border issue is that the RINOs make much use of his position that he is not for building a 2000-mile fence. He believes that the fence is appropriate where it makes sense (San Diego e.g.) but is just an expensive symbol in most places. His position is that we enforce the laws, turn off the magnet by prosecuting employers and shutting down sanctuary cities, and otherwise demonstrating that we have the will to enforce our sovereignty. We used to control our borders with about 1000 border agents. That is all it takes if we have the will across the board. A border fence is a memorial to what happens when two corrupt governments conspire to frustrate the will of a free democracy. There is a solution to that problem, the free country replaces its government at the ballot box. In this country, we vote against that corrupt one-party government by voting 3rd party. In Mexico, it will require more fire power. |
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yes, in your dream world Barr has a chance, but in the real world he is a player only as a spoiler.
Some readers on TH may not know, but Virginia Patriot and Pasadena Phil are committed to defeating JSM in November and in destroying the GOP. That explains the irrationality of their posts. They do not have a good reason for their objectives. They readily admit they prefer an Obama presidency to a McCain presidency and are dedicated to achieving that outcome. |
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Many have attacked us here over the past two years with same obtuse reasoning. They gave up. You can't lie your way to virtue and even though you choose to be willfully ignorant, most of the people who read these things are not. Some of us choose to post comments, most don't. If you're logic and statements don't parse, you are just making a fool of yourself to all except the few who share your willful ignorance. Do you think that is why Republicans are down to only 22% of registered voters? In 2004, both parties were at about 38-39%. Dems are now somewhere over 40%. Good job RINOs! That is why people should not confuse GOP defeat with conservative defeat. We conservatives are winning but the GOP forced us to take the long road. We are trying to shoot liberals but you RINOs keep getting in the way! |
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Despite what's written above, Barr supports amnesty. Read how he's trying to fool people here:
http://lonewacko.com/blog/archives/007832.html |
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I'll keep my eyes open! You sure make a convincing case! That Barr, why can't he just be as open and forthright like the other politicians? If you can't trust politicians, who CAN you trust?
Good name BTW. It suits you well. |
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Scarlet Pimpernel wrote;
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"The TH magazine and Hugh's other merchandise aimed at the center-right Repubs and Moderate Dems is a loser."
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Scarlet,
If you truly have such little regard for Hugh Hewitt's operations, then why do you invest so much of your personal time at HIS website ?
Ha, ha, ha.
Y'all come back now, ya heah ?! |
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Lonewacko is a deperately spinning to prop up his liberal. I'm not sure which liberal, R or D. |
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Give it up. The GOP is trying to get us to vote against Obama, not vote for McCain. That is why we hear nothing but fear-mongering and race-baiting. Well it worked. We are voting AGAINST the one-party system's two candidates, not voting FOR Barr. Does that help? I realize you aren't very bright but yeesh! |
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We have run out of time on the illegal alien inundation. We either stop it now or we lose our country. McCain won't do it. He thinks it's impossible to enforce our laws. I want someone who doesn't.
The GOP cedes their best issues by running McCain. He agrees with Obama on Gore-Bull warming, no drilling in ANWR and amnesty. I want someone who doesn't.
America is worth saving. Vote conservative.
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The Republican Party has lost its way. Protection of individual liberties, small government are hallmarks of conservatives still, but Republicans no longer. If you want to be true to your conservative values, consider Bob Barr this November: http://www.BobBarr2008.com
If you want to continue the interventionist, government-expansion, privacy-instusion, deficit-ballooning policies of two Bush terms, go ahead and vote for McCain for more of the same. |
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