Tuesday, May 01, 2007
|
|
Mitt and Osama
|
|
Posted by:
Dean Barnett at
5:13 PM
|
|
Yesterday our own Matt Lewis of the Townhall Blog (where I contribute, too, you know) delved into a little controversy regarding my favorite candidate, Mitt Romney and some comments he purportedly made about Osama bin Laden. According to the AP:
[Romney] said the country would be safer by only "a small percentage" and would see "a very insignificant increase in safety" if al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden was caught because another terrorist would rise to power. "It's not worth moving heaven and earth spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person," Romney said. Instead, he said he supports a broader strategy to defeat the Islamic jihad movement.
This comments struck such a sour note with National Review’s Byron York that he suggested, “Romney should watch the tape of the planes hitting the towers again.” In fairness to Byron, he did allow for the fact that he hadn’t seen the full text of the interview, and perhaps the AP had missed some context.
Our own Matt Lewis, showing the innate industriousness that sets Townhall contributors apart, contacted the Romney campaign and got the full text of the interview. Surprise, surprise- turns out the AP did miss some context. The exchange between Romney and reporter Liz Sidoti went as follows:
LIZ SIDOTI: "Why haven't we caught bin Laden in your opinion?"
GOVERNOR MITT ROMNEY: "I think, I wouldn't want to over-concentrate on Bin Laden. He's one of many, many people who are involved in this global Jihadist effort. He's by no means the only leader. It's a very diverse group – Hamas, Hezbollah, al-Qaeda, Muslim Brotherhood and of course different names throughout the world. It's not worth moving heaven and earth and spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person. It is worth fashioning and executing an effective strategy to defeat global, violent Jihad and I have a plan for doing that."
SIDOTI: "But would the world be safer if bin laden were caught?"
GOVERNOR ROMNEY: "Yes, but by a small percentage increase – a very insignificant increase in safety by virtue of replacing bin Laden with someone else. Zarqawi – we celebrated the killing of Zarqawi, but he was quickly replaced. Global Jihad is not an effort that is being populated by a handful or even a football stadium full of people. It is – it involves millions of people and is going to require a far more comprehensive strategy than a targeted approach for bin laden or a few of his associates."
SIDOTI: "Do you fault the administration for not catching him though? I mean, they've had quite a few years going after him."
GOVERNOR ROMNEY: "There are many things that have not been done perfectly in any conduct of war. In the Second World War, we paratroopered in our troops further than they were supposed to be from the beaches. We landed in places on the beaches that weren't anticipated. Do I fault Eisenhower? No, he won. And I'm nowhere near as consumed with bin Laden as I am concerned about global Jihadist efforts."
There are two stories here. The first is the media’s mischaracterization of Romney’s remarks, a mischaracterization that was eagerly and not inappropriately seized upon by John McCain who lamented Romney’s naïveté. But you know what? The media engaging in such shenanigans, be they the byproduct of a willful distortion or just garden-variety incompetence, is a boring dog-bites-man story. Perhaps I’ve been a pundit too long, but I just can’t work up an appropriate amount of outrage over this.
THE REAL STORY IS THE DIFFERING VIEWS OF DEFENSE AND THE WAR that McCain and Romney offer. Although the AP did mischaracterize Romney’s remarks, it’s still fairly clear that he puts less of an emphasis on catching bin Laden than McCain does. And that’s good.
McCain’s view is part 9/12 and part 9/10. The 9/12 part of it, to a point anyway, is okay. Like Byron York, he’s angry about what happened on 9/11. We all are. And he’s responding to that anger viscerally, suggesting that no resource be spared in tracking down this one man. Unfortunately, we live in a world of scarce resources. If we spare no resource to track down bin Laden, we by definition forego other perhaps more strategically relevant tasks. On 9/12, we were all furious, and we all responded viscerally. My complaint with this ongoing visceral reaction is that the time to react cerebrally has long since arrived.
And then there’s the 9/10 part. Before 9/11 and the Bush administration’s sea-change in policies, terrorism was considered a law enforcement issue. The emphasis on capturing one man specifically to punish him for 9/11, as York’s post implies, is redolent of that misguided philosophy even though it’s well intended.
THE AMAZING THING ABOUT THE AP’S WRITE-UP of its interview with Romney is how it so thoroughly buried the lede. The most interesting thing Romney said was, “Global Jihad is not an effort that is being populated by a handful or even a football stadium full of people. It is – it involves millions of people.” This flies in the face of the wishful conventional wisdom that we’re just dealing with a few outliers who intend us harm. Once again, Romney is proving himself to be smarter than the average bear.
Romney is also dealing with the fact that we’re in a global struggle. While viscerally it would be satisfying to make bin Laden our top priority, strategically such a course would be ludicrous. Doing so would make as much sense as if Pearl Harbor caused us to declare the capture of Yamamoto and Tojo our top priorities while neglecting to consider the fact that we were suddenly at war with hundreds of millions of people.
Romney gets the scope of the problem, and deals with it maturely and thoughtfully. His tack may not be as satisfying as making a “Wanted: Dead or Alive” poster, but hopefully it will be more effective.
Compliments? Complaints? Contact me at Soxblog@aol.com
|
|
actually .. removing the figurehead just gives the public the false impression that the stuggle is over ... and then it makes the real success more difficult ..
would probably be the same with Osama ..
sure it is part of the struggle to get him .. but it can give a false assurance of progress ..
with all these things .. people in the know .. who have the actual knowledge .. are the only ones that can really judge what is happening and what to do .. |
|
Osama is the poster boy of terror. It would be really nice to get him for propaganda purposes if nothing else.
However, what we really need is a comprehensive plan for global terror and for the greater Middle East. We cannot stay in Iraq forever and Congress will probably ensure the collapse of the Iraq government.
We need a new long run strategy that recognizes that Iraq is not a solution to the Middle East or terrorism. We also need a new comprehensive approach that can deal with the aftermath of Iraq.
Already Turkey has major internal problems and they are one of the more stable governments there.
There is a very good chance that much, if not all, of the Middle East as we know it could go Islamic Fundamentalist from Pakistan to Turkey to Egypt with in very few years.
The Dems are only worried about thier left flank and plan on winging it when Iraq collapses. In other words, as long as they can blame the Republicans for the problems they do not need to deal with the aftermath (and have no plan for the aftermath). The worse it gets the better it is for them as long as they can avoid blame. |
|
Dean,
Matt Lewis' initial motivation for summarizing Jennifer Rubin's post was to highlight his favored candidate John McCain's RESPONSE to the Romney quote.
In fact, this is what how he opened his post; *************** "Jennifer Rubin has a good piece up today. It deals with Mitt Romney's reported remarks about bin Laden -- and on John McCain's response ..." ***************
He initially characterized Rubin's post as a "GOOD piece" despite the fact that HE KNEW Romney's quote had been taken OUT of its full context. (My point is, if you know the piece revolves around a quote taken out of context---doesn't THAT already disqualify it from being a "good" piece ?)
While I commend Matt Lewis for finally contacting the Romney campaign for the entire context, doing so was not at the top of his agenda---otherwise, he would have done so BEFORE linking to & characterizing Jennifer Rubin's post as a "good piece."
In a post written today, Matt Lewis has written that this practice of blogging about quotes which are believed to be taken out of context is "okay"; ***************** "Personally, I think that's okay, so long as there is an effort to put it in context -- and to bring the story to closure. Inserting the caveat: 'This looks bad -- but I haven't read the whole story yet. We shall see how it plays out ...' goes a long way." *****************
This is where Matt is putting the cart before the horse, because I think by definition, the "effort to put it in context" comes with WAITING to post until you have the full context IN THE FIRST PLACE.
A responsible journalist or commentator should always seek the full context prior to posting, particularly when a quote taken 'out of context' could be controversial.
Blogging may be an instantaneous medium---but that doesn't mean that Matt Lewis or Jennifer Rubin should throw the quest for accuracy and fairness to the wind simply because they know they can update their blog 15 minutes later or whenever they finally get ahold of the "full" context.
Ultimately, Dean, I agree with you entirely that Romney's quote---in its full context---reveals that Romney has a panoramic view of the fight against Global Jihad. |
|
|
"You can't stick to just Al Qaeda or Radical Sunni Wahabbis because then you couldn't take out Syria, Iran," why not? |
|
"it involves millions of people and is going to require a far more comprehensive strategy than a targeted approach for bin laden or a few of his associates."
Mitt is absolutely right in my view. However, as usual liberals will decry this approach just as they already have. They scream that we should not have gone into Iraq because Saddam Hussein did not help with the planning of 9/11 (even though they he was harboring and funding terrorists), and we didn't find the WMD's that intelligence sources indicated there were (although there is no proof that they don't exist either).
They don't get it. They have not understood that Iraq has been part of a comprehensive strategy against global terrorism all along--a strategy I believe to be sound. It is a strategy that has blessed this country with no terrorist attacks of significance since 9/11 and we have had the privilege of eliminating thousands of terrorist killers. They cannot be grateful to God for their blessings. They have become so blinded by their hate that they cannot think strategically as Mitt Romney obviously can. It reminds me of when I lived in Europe and people would discuss the evils of American culture over a Big Mac, Fries, and a Coke. I just had to laugh. The liberals and other crotchety complainers do the same sort of thing here.
Our fundamental strategy for going into Iraq has been sound, but we have been challenged tactically. It has been difficult and it will continue to be difficult, but it is worth it. I can't speak for anyone else, but as for me, I am in this for the long term and I don't want anyone for president who does not have that long term and strategic view. |
|
I'm still in the first 1/3d of the Looming Tower, but I got my take on bin Laden from Yossef Bodansky's pre-9/11 bio on the man. Bodansky was the adviser to the House Select Committee on Terrorism for years. The book's prose comes nowhere near Write's, but it's also chock-a-block with pre-9/11 genealogy of extreme Islamist organizations and factions. Bin Laden and other veteran "Arab Afghanis" as Bodansky calls them, brought organizational prowess and battle-hardened dedication to their worldwide cause. As you say, bin Laden was a resource guy, but that characterization alone may understate his true "value" to Islamism. He rose in the movement because things assigned to him got done, and that still may be the case.
One interesting thing to do with Bodansky's book is to highlight every mention of Iran other hostile regimes (including pre-2003 Iraq) and their ties to worldwide Islamist terrorism. If we're concerned about enemy regimes, it turns out, according to Bodansky, that Iran's, a good portion of the Saudi regime, and at least part (or more) of the Pakistani regime (its ISI and military) are the West's three biggest problems. As far as I can tell, bin Laden has benefited from and cooperated with projects and goals sponsored by all three. There aren't that many Islamist "CEO" types who can plan and execute a spectacular al-Qaeda attack of the magnitude needed to scare Westerners or make a dent in their economies.
Publicly we should not overemphasize bin Laden, but in my view, it's nearly impossible to overstate the value of his capture or death, along with other "indispensables" like Zawahiri, et al. |
|
There are rabbits, and there are wolves. Rabbits are stupid, floppy-eared, soft little creatures whose natural role is prey. Falsely moralistic, anti-war believers (the Far Left, many Democrats, leading Democratic politicians) are rabbits. Their contribution to the global conflict in which we are engaged is that of food animal to the wolves of radical Islam. We cannot afford to let the rabbits take down this country, whining appeasement from the submissive kneeling position as the sharp blade descends.
There is no nice war. You either fight to win, or you ultimately lose. It's the outcome that matters; and to forget this, or obscure it with warm homilies about "appropriate behavior" or "dialog" is stupid and self-destructive rabbit talk. There is only 'necessary'. All else, as the Man said, is folly.
Bin Laden is just a temporary blip in this conflict. He will eventually become a corpse. Meanwhile, we need to get on with winning. |
|
Capturing or killing Bin Laden is a false objective, just like Moscow or Leningrad was for the German Army(or Napoleon's). The real objective is to break up and render ineffective the Jihadist movement - globally, not just in the caves of Afghanistan or the tribal areas of Pakistan. When politicians say that we should commit all our reasources on capturing Bin Laden instead of going after Al Qaeda in Iraq, they just don't get it. When Hitler and Napoleon spent all their resources on capturing Moscow(Hitler failed, Napoleon "succeeded") they both left the real objective - the Russian Army - free to fight another day - and fight they did, eventually defeating the invaders and driving them out of Russia. Romney gets it - he understands if we focus on just Bin Laden, Al Qaeda and other terrorists will be free to plan, organize and direct efforts against us across the globe - and if they are based in Iraq and eventually control the country, they will have resources well beyond what Bin Laden used to kill over 3000 Americans. Pinning them down in Iraq, Afghanistan, the Horn of Africa and elsewhere, they are not free to plan large scale operations like 9-11.That is not to say that they can't pull it off, it is just far more difficult now. The Defeatacrats will be responsible for the next 9-11 if they get their way. |
|
From a strictly tactical perspective, Mitt Romney is right on the mark regarding the relative importance of capturing bin Laden. However, what Americans have historically underestimated is the value of propaganda and psychological warfare. The capture (or to a lesser degree the killing) of bin Laden would be a psychological blow to Islamic Jihad and might put at least a slight crimp in their recruiting efforts. No doubt it would raise America's morale as well. It might even get the Dems to shut up for a day or two. That in itself might be worth the billions of dollars it might take.
In a side note to TheChair, Lawrence Wright makes an important point in "The Looming Tower", in that bin Laden is not the operational mastermind behind al Qaeda. That role belongs al Zawahiri. Osama is, or was, the money behind the movement, and is still the spiritual and motivational leader of al Qaeda. |
|
Dean Barnett didn't make himself clear when he referred to McCain as "9/10."
And that's gotten some worked up.
This is what he meant.
9/11 overflowed us with anger.
And overflowed us with a burning determination to utterly obliterate our enemies.
So we want AND expect the gloves to come off, AND STAY OFF.
But some are uncomfortable with that.
And John McCain appears to be one of them.
Let's be blunt here.
That would be helpful.
Do any of us Conservatives really give two damns what happens to the dirtballs on Gitmo?
I mean really.
I know we're capable of speaking on the subject, but aren't all of us appalled that Guards are handing them Korans, and handing them Korans with white gloves.
We want to find out what they know, elicit the worthwhile information, and promptly execute them.
We don't really care what they do to the detainees on Gitmo, nor do we really care what happened at Abu Gharib, {except to the extent that details emerged that embarrass our country and hinder our war efforts}.
We're comfortable with Jack Bauer.
If some dirtball has information we want, we're damn well going to get it, one way or another.
McCain wants the gloves to stay on.
IN MANY WAYS he's for a tougher war effort.
But when it comes to the dirtballs we capture, he's apt to get needlessly sentimental.
We're not so inclined.
We see eye to eye with Jack Bauer.
McCain doesn't.
Our intelligence agency is a sick joke.
What information we don't get through electronic intercept, we get through liaison relationships with the intelligence services of Pakistan, Jordan, Egypt and S. Arabia.
That's a recipe for disaster, as we saw on 9/11.
If we don't get tough with the dirtballs we capture, we're likely to stay blind.
And deaf.
And pretty soon Americans will be dead.
|
|
It should come as no surprise that the MSM would characterize his remarks out of context. They fear Mitt, as they do with any man of ideas.
Hugh, I am presently reading your book on Romney, A Mormon In The White House. While we loved his father as Governor in MI, I am still taking a "wait and see" approach. It is just too early to take up arms against each other. |
|
There are one million illegal aliens marching on our streets on a Communist Holiday (May 1) after being organized by the Socialist Workers Party and funded by a Socialist International Tycoon (George Soros) and Hugh Hewitt –the proponent of amnesty- is talking about Armenian Genocide and Shakespeare.
Why I am not surprised?
Republicans:
The war is not lost but the country is for sale; in a garage sale that is.
|
|
Romney nowhere said or conveyed that getting bin Laden wasn't a priority or wasn't important. His posture here was at least a "twofer." His comments tended to provide some cover for the present administration while propounding his own sound strategy for his potential administration.
Romney could have said, "Yeah, getting bin Laden was the top goal. This administration--and by extension the Congress that supported him--and by extension the entire GOP--hasn't yet succeeded at that important task. Even though I'm GOP, too, I'll do better." That sort of comment would have been foolish and wrong-. He can't damn the GOP by emphasizing bin Laden's importance and still help himself.
Romney well knows how important a target bin Laden was and is. Bin Laden is a peculiar sort of mastermind that can't easily be replaced, even if his death won't stop Jihad. But I'll bet bin Laden and Zawahiri and the rest prefer that Romney not ever get his hands on the controls. Romney has an unusual talent for assembling and motivating brainy teams of people to accomplish nearly-impossible tasks. I can't imagine Romney tolerating the status quo at the intelligence agencies, and I'd wager he'd have bin Laden's head on a stick inside his first two years in office. |
|
For good people who acknowledge the necessity of war there is at some level, I believe, a deep sadness that war must be joined in order to preserve the hope of future generations.
I believe at some level in all good people that poverty elicits a same deep sadness.
Poverty cannot end by ignoring the laws of economics. Certainly, we can and should help where we can, but the proper and humanitarian response would be to furrow the ground for economic activity that produces the wealth that feeds, clothes, and houses the impoverished.
When that wealth reaches the state that food, clothing, and housing is available to all that seek it then poverty itself becomes at worst a relative term.
Free markets, free enterprise, is the best system yet developed to engineer robust economic activity.
In the meantime give to charities. |
|
turn this into a McCain slam? McCain is 9/10? Why? Becuase he is not a torture promoter? Some of us disagree that torture is necessary (or effective) in prosecuting the Global War on Terror.
I have zero problems with Romney's comments from a tactical sense. Obviously killing Osama bin Laden would be very desirable from a moral sense and I am sure Romney agrees with that. But even if we captured Osama alive--I would not torture him. I would rather see him executed. |
|
I agree with Romney. There needs to be a big picture approach when it comes to terrorism. If the original principle of why we are fighting this war is as important as Bush claims, the $340 billion already spent and the further $100+ billion to be spent should be redirected toward plans to fight poverty and develop the country to prevent another Afghanistan. According to the Borgen Project, just $19 billion annually can end starvation and $15 billion provides water and sanitation all over the world. If ending terror is the goal, the Millennium Development Goals to end poverty is the way to to go for our leaders.
I think that it would be foolish to pull out of Iraq without thinking about the repercussions and alternatives for this war. I think that for Iraq to escape chaos insitutions and funding need to be in place to address and prevent further poverty.
|
|
|
Just your typical self esteeming homicidal Islamic Fascist. |
|
|
I am glad you pray too. No problem there, but where does that fit into this discussion? |
|
I pray every day... quite a few times a day, too.
I don't need "Dr." Dobson or his wife to get involved. |
|
Just saw this one.....nice.
Sheik Ahmad Bahr, acting Speaker of the Palestinian Legislative Council, declared during a Friday sermon at a Sudan mosque that America and Israel will be annihilated and called upon Allah to kill Jews and Americans "to the very Last One".
|
|
|
My spell check hasn't picked up on Mr. Romney's correct spelling. |
|
|
For a moment there, I thought Dean was posting something critical of Romney. Phew! glad we dodged that bullet. |
|
Dean........such the traditional smarty-pants.
You're a good writer, nay, a great one.
|
|
|
If I might say, I think our President's speech was absolutely right on. |
|
How a group of individuals fails to appreciate the over-reaching significance of a little country called Iran, and a man named, Ahmadinejad.....words fail me. This extreme focus on Bin Laden seems naive, at best. It is a method of attempting to reduce this very complex problem down to a simple solution..........
|
|
Where do they kill--anywhere. In Muslim countries, in Buddhist countries, Christain Countries, and so forth. They kill in Asia, Africa, Europe, North America, South America, the Oceanic countries, and no doubt if they have the opportunity, they'll do the same in Australia.
And if they actually rid the world of so called infidels, they would kill each other. That is what an Islmo Fascist is. |
|
The one quality that makes or breaks investors is their ability to detect and then focus on which of the many investing options will yield the maximum marginal return on investment (ROI) for each initial and successive dollar spent.
Would catching Bin Laden pay some return on investment? Yes. But is it the highest return for the dollars spent and what is the decrease in marginal utility of the dollars spent to find and catch him?
Romney appears to be suggesting that a blended portfolio is preferred here. He sees it like he has trained and disciplined himself to see it - "where is the maximum return?"
|
|
I do think that Rommney's approach is a good one. He sees the enemy for what it is--a large, disconnected enemy, united by visceral hate of the West, and for that matter, of everyone who isn't themselves.
I do have a small quibble. I think the capture of Bin Laden would be more beneficial than Govenor Rommney suggests. |
|
|
|